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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Hurdle. Emily Here. Exciting week

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Speaker 1: for the podcast. Actually, I'm taking this thing international, heading

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Speaker 1: I'll probably be a little tired when it's all said

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Speaker 1: out of Hurdle, I'm chatting with the one and only

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Speaker 1: Liz Plosser. I can't say enough good things about this

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Speaker 1: fantastic woman. She's the editor in chief of Woman's Health magazine,

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Speaker 1: a mega mentor to me, and a really good friend.

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Speaker 1: We were catching up over dinner a few weeks back,

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Speaker 1: Liz talks about how when her and her husband had

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Speaker 1: beautiful kids. We also chat about what it's like to

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Speaker 1: I am sitting here with Liz Plosser. She's the editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of Women's Health magazine. Hey, Liz, Hi Emily,

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Speaker 1: this is so special. I feel the same way. I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy to be here with you. A fun fact,

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Speaker 1: Liz used to be my boss at my last full

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Speaker 1: time job. We are both at self and since then

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Speaker 1: she's done so many things, so many things, a whirlwind

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Speaker 1: of the past year and a half, but.

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Speaker 2: All great things.

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Speaker 1: Thanks sim I'd love to get started here today. Just

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Speaker 1: talk to me about what it's like to join the

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Speaker 1: team at Women's Health. This is a new thing for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I've been editor in chief since late January

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Speaker 2: and I'm literally living a dream job. I pinch myself

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Speaker 2: every morning. It's the best job in the world. And

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I guess it's been a little

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Speaker 2: over three months. It's gone by like in a blink

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine and walking into that building. If

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Speaker 1: and it is exactly what they show you in like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like every TV show or movie come to life.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful building in place to work. So Liz,

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Speaker 2: why don't we jump right into it.

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Speaker 1: I know I met you atself, but you had quite

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Speaker 1: the extensive career before that, and actually it didn't start

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Speaker 2: Sure, okay, I'll try to give you the turbo version.

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Speaker 2: Turbo version, Okay. My first job out of college was

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Speaker 2: actually an investment banking. I was an analyst. Were you

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Speaker 2: an investment Were you a banking? Do people finance major?

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Speaker 2: And my first job in publishing was a self magazine

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Speaker 2: I know one hundred percent it's a different time now.

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Speaker 1: When you're saying this, it makes me think about how

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Speaker 1: That must have been such an epic moment for you.

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Speaker 2: one baby. I kind of freaked out, Like mentally, I

435
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Speaker 2: was like, but I didn't plan on a double jogging stroller.

436
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Speaker 2: I know, the first one I want. I'm kind of

437
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: being over, you know, exaggerating it a bit, but yeah,

438
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: it was a it was a so much more to push.

439
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Speaker 2: It's much more to push. And I was like, how

440
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Speaker 2: is Matt gonna respond to this? You know, he's an economist.

441
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Speaker 2: He already had our spreadsheet going of like our little

442
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Speaker 2: baby budget and all of that, and I was kind

443
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Speaker 2: of nervous to tell him, and I went I went

444
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Speaker 2: home and he was on his computer, probably working on

445
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Speaker 2: the baby budget. And I went in and told him, like,

446
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Speaker 2: something crazy had happened. Everything's okay, but something crazy had happened.

447
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: And I told him we're having twins. There's a second baby,

448
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Speaker 2: and he just like broke into a smile and he

449
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: was like that is so awesome, and like gave me

450
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Speaker 2: a hug. I'm crying. I know, I cry when I

451
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Speaker 2: think about it, because he was just so solid and

452
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Speaker 2: there was not like any reflection of anxiety or worry

453
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Speaker 2: or anything on his face. He was just like, We've

454
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Speaker 2: got this, we can do this, and I'm so happy.

455
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Speaker 2: I know. He's such a good egg. That man, good egg. Man.

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Speaker 2: I can't. Okay, so then you're pregnant. What does activity

457
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Speaker 2: look like for you while you're pregnant? I was again

458
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Speaker 2: pretty nervous. I didn't want to you just wipe it

459
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Speaker 2: to your love it calling me out for being emotions.

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Speaker 2: So I was very nervous. I didn't want to do

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Speaker 2: anything to rock the boat or you know. At the time,

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Speaker 2: I was like, if I do too much activity, will

463
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Speaker 2: it like jostle the baby out of my body? You know,

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Speaker 2: you just you're in a crazy state. I was doing

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Speaker 2: the elliptical a little bit, and I would say after

466
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Speaker 2: the first trimester, I got comfortable with lifting weights again.

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Speaker 2: All like with my doctors, okay, and yeah, just with

468
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Speaker 2: their guidance, but they and I really believe in this too.

469
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Speaker 2: They were really strongly advocating to continue my activity level

470
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Speaker 2: that was better for the babies and better for me

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Speaker 2: to be strong and healthy and fit.

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Speaker 1: And how was it, I guess obviously you have Charlie

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Speaker 1: and Lucy. How was it the second time around with

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Speaker 1: your third child, George, did you go through a lot

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Speaker 1: of the same struggles.

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Speaker 2: No. So that's the exciting thing about George is he

477
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Speaker 2: was a bit of a surprise. To put it mildly,

478
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Speaker 2: We were not trying to have another child. We were

479
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Speaker 2: like so set and happy with Charlie and Lucy, we

480
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Speaker 2: were good, and then I got a surprise positive pregnancy test.

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Speaker 2: It was a complete shock, crazy shock, and that actually

482
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Speaker 2: is not George. I ended up miscarrying that baby, which

483
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: was sad, but it told me and Matt like, we

484
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Speaker 2: really want another baby. Turns out yes, we do want

485
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Speaker 2: a third child, so then we I would say, it

486
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: was not the same, like we didn't go through fertility

487
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Speaker 2: treatments or anything, but my body was ovulating and everything

488
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Speaker 2: seemed to be working, just in a bit of a

489
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Speaker 2: wonky way, and we got pregnant with George. So he

490
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Speaker 2: was a surprise, but like a very much wanted surprise. Right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: So where are you?

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Speaker 1: I know you were in Chicago and then at some

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Speaker 1: point over this story you come back to New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we moved back to New York when Charlie

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Speaker 2: and Lucy were fifteen months old.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, And when you moved back to New York,

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Speaker 1: where were you working?

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Speaker 2: I did a little stint at Canon Ranch the well

499
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Speaker 2: on THISESS brand. They were launching an editorial platform and

500
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Speaker 2: they had like four remote editors in the New York area,

501
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: so I was doing that, but I really missed being

502
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Speaker 2: in an office and with people and collaborating in that way.

503
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Speaker 2: So I started putting out feelers for magazine jobs when

504
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Speaker 2: I got back to New York. And then where did

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Speaker 2: you go? So I landed at Cosmo with Joanna Coles

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Speaker 2: and Joyce Chang, who you know very well. We worked

507
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Speaker 2: with her itself. Joanna had been the editor in chief

508
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: of Marie Claire and Hurst had moved her over to

509
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: run the ship at Cosmo, and she had a vision

510
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Speaker 2: for adding a lot more health and sexual health content,

511
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Speaker 2: amongst other things, more career content and political coverage. And

512
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Speaker 2: so I was brought in with Sarah Austin to build

513
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Speaker 2: out the health content for the magazine. And that was

514
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: Cosmo Body right, So that came later. That came about

515
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: a year into my stint. I was working solely on

516
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Speaker 2: the magazine and then Hers Digital Media had this idea

517
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Speaker 2: that they hatched with Joanna to start a streaming fitness

518
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: channel way ahead of its time in fact. And as

519
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Speaker 2: the person who oversaw all the fitness content and as

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Speaker 2: a certified personal trainer, I was brought into those conversations

521
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Speaker 2: and ended up working a lot on that project. What's

522
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Speaker 2: it like working with Joanna Coles? It's hard to describe

523
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Speaker 2: in words how amazing she is. She's a force of nature,

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Speaker 2: She's a brilliant woman. And I learned so much about

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Speaker 2: how I like to manage people and what kind of

526
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Speaker 2: leader inspires me from her, And like a lot of

527
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Speaker 2: how I leave my team and work with people is

528
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: because of what I learned from her.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, what's one of the most valuable pieces of

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Speaker 1: advice that you've ever received from one of your mentors.

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Speaker 2: The most valuable piece of advice, I would say something

532
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: that Joyce Chang taught me is you never ever say

533
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Speaker 2: no to the meeting or the conversation. And that's honestly

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Speaker 2: how I have the job that I have today. I

535
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Speaker 2: was working at Well and Good, the digital lifestyle and

536
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Speaker 2: wellness brand, and really happy and learning a lot and

537
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Speaker 2: loving my team there, and Herst reached out and was like,

538
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Speaker 2: you know, I was early days at Well and Good,

539
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Speaker 2: but you never say no to the conversation. And it

540
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Speaker 2: really opened up this whole new world and like the

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Speaker 2: happiest I've ever been professionally.

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Speaker 1: Taking a break from today's episode to give the sponsor

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Speaker 2: And with that, let's get back to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm back here with Liz Plosser, the editor in chief

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Speaker 1: of women's health magazine The Bomb.

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Speaker 2: What I'd love to kind.

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Speaker 1: Of do right now with you is talk about It's

560
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: so interesting to me because we have this shared passion

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Speaker 1: for running. And when I think about running, and I

562
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Speaker 1: think about the accomplishments that I've made or I've had running,

563
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Speaker 1: I realize, in those moments of hardship that I can

564
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Speaker 1: really do anything. And so for you, that experience working

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Speaker 1: so diligently to conceive, Yeah, would you say that that

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Speaker 1: has instilled in you this same passion that you can

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Speaker 1: do anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's super interesting how many parallels there

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Speaker 2: are to running and like the dark places you go

570
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Speaker 2: when you're running, and you come out on the other

571
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Speaker 2: side in some way you find a way to get

572
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Speaker 2: to the finish line. What I learned from going through

573
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Speaker 2: those fertility issues is to have so much compassion for

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Speaker 2: what human beings are going through. Kind of privately and secretly.

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Speaker 2: There's this quote circulating, probably on Instagram, and it's something like,

576
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Speaker 2: I never lose. I either win or I learn. And

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Speaker 2: I just love that idea that even for reasons that

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Speaker 2: are out of our control, like my body not conceiving

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Speaker 2: or a magazine folding like you went through itself, you

580
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Speaker 2: still can learn from those experiences. It's not a loss.

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Speaker 2: You know you're gonna take something away from that, and

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Speaker 2: I think it builds you up to be a bigger,

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Speaker 2: better person.

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Speaker 1: Something I want to touch on that you brought up.

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Speaker 1: You never know what somebody else is going through. It's

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Speaker 1: been something I've thought a lot about, especially over the

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Speaker 1: past year. When I interact with anyone, even if I

588
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Speaker 1: have some sort of mo when I shoot you a message,

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Speaker 1: if it's a text or an email, it's never jumping

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Speaker 1: right to the point because even if it's a text message,

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Speaker 1: you have no idea what that person's going through on

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Speaker 1: that particular day. So to just jump in and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I have this thing I need from you, Like what

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Speaker 1: if I don't know they woke up on the wrong

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Speaker 1: side of the bed and they're going through a breakup

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Speaker 1: and you have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Or what have you. I think that's awesome. I could

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Speaker 2: be better about that, but I think that's such a

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Speaker 2: great point. When you text me, you are very much

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Speaker 2: like that. You kind of do a little check in

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Speaker 2: and like, how are we feeling today, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: Because there well, there might be something else going on

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Speaker 2: that like we should probably get I should probably talk

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Speaker 2: about before I get to whatever I wanted to bring

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Speaker 2: up in the first place. Yeah, I think that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: This also reminds me of a question that I love

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Speaker 1: to ask about your favorite failure?

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Speaker 2: My favorite failure, I mean, I guess I would say

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Speaker 2: my favorite failure is that it was hard to conceive. Again,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't change it. It's weird to use the word

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Speaker 2: favorite for it because it was really like such a

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Speaker 2: such a tough time in my life. But when you're

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Speaker 2: on the other side of it, the retrospect that you have,

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for the experience.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's how a lot of us feel

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Speaker 1: about the things that feel.

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Speaker 2: Like missteps in our lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether again it's something like you went through, or

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Speaker 1: a career misstep or a relationship misstep. It's so difficult

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Speaker 1: in the moment, and so often you're like why me,

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Speaker 1: why me? But then you look back on it a month,

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Speaker 1: six months, a year, five, ten years later, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: this shaped need to be who I am right now,

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Speaker 1: And that's so powerful.

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Speaker 2: So true. I think it's like the power of zigzagging.

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Speaker 2: At the time, you just want to like stay on

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Speaker 2: that straight trajectory and like go where your eyes were set,

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Speaker 2: and it's okay to zigzag off the path. In fact,

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Speaker 2: that makes you you might like jump ahead on the

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Speaker 2: path or find a new path.

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Speaker 1: I want to pivot a little bit because I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to this podcast are interested

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Speaker 1: because you're the edited chief of Woman's Health, and that

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Speaker 1: it's something they may aspire to do one day. What

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Speaker 1: is a story from your career that you love to tell.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell one about But when I got my job

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Speaker 2: at the job at Cosmo working for Joanna, i'd been

638
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Speaker 2: interviewing for it and I was like close, you know,

639
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Speaker 2: if I could just nail this interview with the editor

640
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Speaker 2: in chief, then I was probably going to get the

641
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Speaker 2: job offer. And so my final round interview was set

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Speaker 2: with her, and I guess it was early, very early

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Speaker 2: November of two thousand and fourteen. Yeah, thirteen, sorry, twenty thirteen,

644
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Speaker 2: when was whenever Hurricane Sandy was. So the interview with

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Speaker 2: Joanna Cooles was set for two days after Hurricane Sandy.

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Speaker 2: And if you remember, were you in the city then

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Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, the city was like shut down. It

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Speaker 2: was thankfully I was on the Upper east Side. I

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Speaker 2: felt like we were like minimally affected. Yeah, but everyone

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Speaker 2: migrated there. Everyst side. The Upper east Side was like

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Speaker 2: mid Town and like all of the restaurants were booked, hotels, restaurants,

652
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Speaker 2: all of it. Well, I live in Park Slope, so

653
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Speaker 2: fortunately we didn't lose power or anything, but none of

654
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Speaker 2: the subways were running into the city. My interview with

655
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Speaker 2: her was that I want to say two in the afternoon,

656
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Speaker 2: but I didn't know how long it would take to

657
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Speaker 2: get there. I woke up at probably four point thirty

658
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Speaker 2: in the morning to first of all, go for a

659
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Speaker 2: run because I needed to get my head straight and

660
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: like clear and confident and strong for the conversation ahead.

661
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Speaker 2: And then got into my little outfit and got myself

662
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Speaker 2: to you know, the end of the Brooklyn Bridge where

663
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Speaker 2: buses were taking you across into the city. And I

664
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Speaker 2: didn't know if it was going to take hours to

665
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Speaker 2: do that. So I think just the fact that I

666
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Speaker 2: would have done anything like it was an eight mile

667
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Speaker 2: run to Hurst Tower. I was fully prepared to put

668
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Speaker 2: on my sneakers and run with my backpack in my

669
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Speaker 2: little leather dress and like run myself there and change.

670
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Speaker 2: You're not wearing a pinstripe, So I figured out what

671
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: to wear. Fanoviews at this point, and I didn't make

672
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Speaker 2: a thing about it when I talked to her, you know,

673
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Speaker 2: it was just like, of course, I'm going to get

674
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Speaker 2: to the interview. But at some point in the conversation

675
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Speaker 2: she kind of recognized that. She was like, where do

676
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Speaker 2: you live. I live in Brooklyn, and she was like, oh,

677
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: was that tough to get here today? And so I

678
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: told her what I'd done that I'd started my journey

679
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: at about six fifteen am for this two pm interview

680
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Speaker 2: in midtown or in Columbus Circle. And I think at

681
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Speaker 2: that moment she was like, Okay, this, I'm going to

682
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Speaker 2: hire this girl. I hope, I hope that was the

683
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: moment that she felt that way. So I think, just

684
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 2: hard work, you know, it's it means many different things,

685
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: including getting yourself to the interview right on time.

686
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Speaker 1: Were you in Manhattan proper for about five hours before

687
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Speaker 1: you had this meeting?

688
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it turned out to not take the

689
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Speaker 2: six hours I'd budgeted to get into the city, So

690
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: I was like, huh now what? So I definitely camped

691
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Speaker 2: out a Starbucks in my dress, just like you know,

692
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: working on my laptop and counting down the hours until

693
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Speaker 2: I went to meet with her.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite article or feature that you

695
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: have edited?

696
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: This is going back to my Cosmo days again. This

697
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: was like such a career highlight. We put together a

698
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: package the irony of it. The package was called How

699
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Not to Get Pregnant and it was a big, twelve

700
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: page feature. We assigned it to Kelly Mikkel, who's an

701
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: amazing writer in California, and it was this huge collaborative

702
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: effort between our art team, our photo team, our editors.

703
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: Just the number of people at Cosmo who worked on

704
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: that package is staggering. And it went on to win

705
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: the brand's first ever national magazine award, And it was

706
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: just like a huge career highlight, not only because it

707
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: was great content and I think information that our demographic

708
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: really needed, but also to be recognized by your peers

709
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: and to feel like your team was recognized for all

710
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: their hard work, it was pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: What a piece of advice that you would give as

712
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: someone who's starting a career in journalism today.

713
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: I think it's scary now.

714
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Speaker 1: I think about you know, even I graduated college in

715
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, and I think about the classes

716
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: that I took, and if I went back to college

717
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: right now, I am so sure I would have taken

718
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: so many classes that weren't even offered at the time

719
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: about digital social media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it's a different it's a turbulent time

721
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: to put it mildly in publishing. But I think what

722
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: you said is exactly right. Just because you're not in

723
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: college doesn't mean you can't learn that stuff. And you

724
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: can't take those classes. So I would encourage aspiring journalists

725
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: one to be open to any opportunity their position offers them.

726
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: If you're working on the print side, but you have

727
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: a chance to do an Instagram takeover, or write a

728
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: story for the website, or just take you know, somebody

729
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: from the digital team out to coffee, you should one

730
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: hundred percent do that, and then take classes on your

731
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Speaker 2: own free time that are interesting to you that you

732
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Speaker 2: feel like expand your skill set. I think that's really important.

733
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Speaker 2: Talk to me a little bit about getting informational meetings.

734
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Speaker 1: Someone asked me that yesterday about my thoughts on if

735
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: they should reach out to someone at XYZ brand, and

736
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Speaker 1: I actually, I remember when I was in college.

737
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Speaker 2: I emailed Marty.

738
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Speaker 1: Munson, who used to be the digital director at shape

739
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: YEP when I was a junior in college, completely blindly,

740
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Speaker 1: and I said, I'm going to be in the city

741
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Lie, can I come and like ask you

742
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Speaker 1: a few questions?

743
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: And I was so shocked that she said yes, Yeah, Oh,

744
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: I love Marty. She's a good one.

745
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Speaker 1: My first venture into any actual magazine building before I

746
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: got my internship at Fitness.

747
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Speaker 2: And I think, why not you know, I think I

748
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: get those emails, and I try to take coffees when

749
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: I can. It's harder and harder. But I remember being

750
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: that girl, that investment banker who was trying to like

751
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: get in front of anyone to prove to them that

752
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: I had a passion for this, and the people that

753
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: said yes are like, you know, forever in my heart,

754
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 2: and I want to like pay it forward to everybody else.

755
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: So I say go for it to anybody listening who

756
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: is blind emailing someone for an informational meeting.

757
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Speaker 1: What's the worst that can happen? What's like a best

758
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: practice tip to get that meeting?

759
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 2: Though?

760
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's good ways to go about

761
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Speaker 1: it and awful ways to go about it.

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Speaker 2: I think what you did was good. You're like you

763
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: had a specific time in mind. Probably you put a

764
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: sentence on that's like or if another time works better

765
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: for you, great. I think setting it up with some

766
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Speaker 2: acknowledgment that like you're familiar with the brand or the

767
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: person that you're not just emailing seven hundred different editors today,

768
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Speaker 2: but you've chosen Emily for a specific reason. I think

769
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Speaker 2: that's a good way to kick it off.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the immediate and maybe not so

771
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: immediate future for woman's health. What do you see exciting

772
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: things coming down the pipeline for your brand?

773
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Speaker 2: Well, I think since we're now under the Hurst umbrella,

774
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: it's a hugely exciting time because we have that engine

775
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: behind us. One of the powerful things about our brand

776
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: is that we're a global brand. You know, we have

777
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: twenty nine international editions, and I think there's some really

778
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: exciting ways we can work together and collaborate that haven't

779
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: really been tapped in the past. And then I'm also

780
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: really excited to develop more of a relationship with our

781
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: brother brand in Men's Health. I think having these two

782
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: sibling brands that reach so many millions of women and men,

783
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: we have an incredible opportunity to like amplify our power together.

784
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Speaker 2: So those are some things I'm excited to get into.

785
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: What is a book that you love to give people?

786
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: Women's A subscription to Women's Health. I have to say that, honestly,

787
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: my mom has given that gift to like every girlfriend

788
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: she has and my sister too, So thanks Mom and Kate,

789
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: and I do it too to my friends. But a

790
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: book I love? I Love The Happiness Project by Gretchen Rubin.

791
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: She's a fellow Kansas Citian, so she has a great

792
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 2: podcas past and email newsletter, and I just think her

793
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: life advice is so smart and conversational and actually like

794
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: you can put it into action immediately. So I love that.

795
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: And then for my running friends, I love the book

796
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: What I think, what I talk about when I talk

797
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Speaker 2: about running, What I think about when I talk about running.

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Speaker 1: I think that's it. I read it recently. What I

799
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Speaker 1: think about when I talk about running, What I talk about.

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Speaker 2: I yes, I just read that. It's like poetry on running.

801
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: I just get lost in it. I think it's so

802
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: beautiful how he talks about running, and like it meanders

803
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: and goes all over the place, which is kind of

804
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: what your brain does while you're running in a really

805
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: good way. So I just think it's a beautiful book.

806
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Speaker 2: I remember I gave that to my dad for Father's

807
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: Day a couple of years ago. You ran the Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: Half Marathon last weekend. I did. How was that? It

809
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: was awesome? It was rainy and windy and the weather

810
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 2: was blah, but that kind of made it more fun.

811
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Speaker 2: It was not as bad as when you ran Boston, though.

812
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Speaker 2: Girl I was thinking of you at this start line.

813
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a fraction of what the

814
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: poor boss and marathoners dealt with. And the worst part

815
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 2: was waiting for it to start, right and you guys

816
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: were out there for hours waiting.

817
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: We were under I didn't know there was going to

818
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: be tents for us. I just kind of prepared for

819
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: it to be the absolute worst, and I'd be there

820
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Speaker 1: with my umbrella and the two trash bags over my

821
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Speaker 1: feet and the poncho, and thankfully there was a tent,

822
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Speaker 1: but the tent was just like honesty of mud. So

823
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: you just stood there the entire time, praying that the

824
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Speaker 1: mud didn't infiltrate the two bag sneaker system.

825
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sucked, but better for it. Better

826
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: for it. I feel like so proud of myself that

827
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Speaker 2: I ran hard on a really wet, crummy day. It's funny.

828
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Speaker 2: I ran with two girlfriends, and one of them a

829
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Speaker 2: couple days before the race started, texting that she had

830
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Speaker 2: a goal time in mind, which I had no business

831
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Speaker 2: going for. I had done plenty of long runs, but

832
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Speaker 2: for me, the game changer's speed work, which I had

833
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: done literally zero interval training for this race, so I

834
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: was like, ooh, I don't know about that, but we

835
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: just kind of went for it from the get go,

836
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Speaker 2: and there were some Dirk miles, but we met our

837
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Speaker 2: time goal. So we were thrilled. We were three mamas,

838
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 2: like celebrating with a Brooklyn beer at the Cony Island

839
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Speaker 2: finish line.

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Speaker 1: Lissa said a lot of outstanding things to me, but

841
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: something she said to me over dinner the other day

842
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: was her theory that everyone has like three goals. You've

843
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: got a goal that you put out into the world,

844
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: a goal that you tell like the people that are

845
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: really close to you, right, and then a goal that

846
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Speaker 1: like you're not really going to tell anyone, but like,

847
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I really want to do.

848
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Speaker 2: In this race. Do you agree with this? I don't

849
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Speaker 2: know if I have three. I think I probably have two.

850
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: Did you have two for Boston? Before you knew what

851
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: the weather was going to be? Before I knew what

852
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: the weather was going to be, I put something out

853
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: into social media, like I'm going to run under four hours.

854
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: What I put out into social media was that I

855
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: really wanted to pr and then when the weather.

856
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Speaker 2: That's a big thing to put out there. That's all

857
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: did you feel pressure when you did that.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting actually because I when I prred my

859
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: my marathon time, it was completely unplanned. It was my

860
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Speaker 1: first New York City marathon. I ran it in three

861
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Speaker 1: fifty one forty one.

862
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: That wasn't after you ran Dublin, was it? No? That

863
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: was the year before. Was this referencing when I ran Yit?

864
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Speaker 2: We know way too much about each other five days

865
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Speaker 2: after I ran the Dublin Ireland Marathon. But when I prred,

866
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Speaker 2: it was just so unexpected.

867
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Speaker 1: But it makes me think of when you were saying

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Speaker 1: that you were smiling ear to ear that entire first

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Speaker 1: race in Vermont. For me, that New York City Marathon

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Speaker 1: was the most amazing, best day of my life.

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Speaker 2: I look back on it.

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Speaker 1: I did a video series, UH for a job at

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Speaker 1: the time, and I watched that video sporadically, like two

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Speaker 1: or three times a year, and I cry every time I.

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Speaker 2: Cry when I see that video. I have the thumbs

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Speaker 2: even hearing you talk about it. But I went.

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Speaker 1: I was doing a ton of speedwork going into Boston,

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Speaker 1: and I was really like working to pr You know, again,

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Speaker 1: we all go through times, dark times in our life.

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Speaker 1: I was dealing with some stuff on a personal level,

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Speaker 1: and I just felt like I was in the right.

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Speaker 2: Place to work my butt off. You were in it.

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Speaker 2: And so when the weather changed, I felt like I

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Speaker 2: needed to set like a new realistic expectation, not just

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Speaker 2: for myself, but then like also on social Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is the real deal. This is what tomorrow is going

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: Like the winds are going to be up to fifty

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Speaker 1: miles an hour or something, and I'm just gonna go

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Speaker 2: Give it my best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think our hurdle moments help

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Speaker 1: us to do that. They help us remember that, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is how it is now, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: go forward and we're going to give it our all,

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Speaker 1: and that giving your all is truly good enough.

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Speaker 2: I think that is so true. And I think what's

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Speaker 2: remarkable is like you could have decided to not run Boston.

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Speaker 2: You could have picked another spring marathon because you were

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Speaker 2: in the shape of your life and ready to go

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Speaker 2: out and just destroy that race course. But you said

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Speaker 2: you were going to run Boston, and you ran Boston,

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Speaker 2: and you went and gave it one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: percent and you ran an awesome race. I cannot believe

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Speaker 2: how fast you ran into those winds. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: But now I do want you to do another marathon

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Speaker 2: so you can see how speedy really can be.

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Speaker 1: I hate to chill. My hip is like sporadic sciatica.

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Speaker 1: This is thirty next week. One last question. If you

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Speaker 1: could offer one piece of advice to yourself when you're

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Speaker 1: going through those fertility struggles, what words of wisdom would

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Speaker 1: you give that girl?

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Speaker 2: I think what I would tell her is that life

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Speaker 2: never goes exactly as you imagine it in your brain.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay, that's like the beauty of it. That

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Speaker 2: the zigzagging off your course is where magical things happen.

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Speaker 2: And for me that was Charlie Lucy. I would never

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Speaker 2: have these two beautiful boy girl twins if I hadn't

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Speaker 2: zigzagged into fertility darkness. And that's really hard to think

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Speaker 2: about in the moment, but it's something that I've taken

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Speaker 2: from that experience and that I to remember when my

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Speaker 2: life is zigzags as it continues to do and everybody does.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. What a positive note to end on. Liz,

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Speaker 2: I like, I wish you could do this every day.

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Speaker 2: I know. Can we start every morning with coffee and ketchup.

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Speaker 2: This is the best.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's going to be like a new

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Speaker 1: daily podcast series. Thanks so much for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me m.

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Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by

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Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

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Speaker 1: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Liz. Where do we find you? Where do we find

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Speaker 2: Women's health? Yeah, come find me on my Instagram at

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Speaker 2: at Liz Plosser, and you can follow women's health at

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Speaker 2: Women's Health Mag and also at Women's healthmag dot com.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, I am at Emily Abodi. Another hurdle conquered. Catch

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Speaker 1: you guys next time.