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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bridget and this is Annie, and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to stuff Mom never told you. Now today, we

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Speaker 1: just want to start with a trigger warning content warning. UM.

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Speaker 1: This episode will deal with conversations around disordered eating. So

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Speaker 1: if that is something that is difficult for you to

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Speaker 1: Some of you probably know I am infinitely fascinated by

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Speaker 1: the Kardashians. Really, what are your thoughts on the Kardashians.

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Speaker 1: I honestly do not know much about them outside of

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Speaker 1: what I've learned through this show, through me specifically pretty much,

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Speaker 1: that is my whole world. Minored in and Kardashian in college,

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Speaker 1: I get a minor in it, getting that it could

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Speaker 1: have been that could be really interesting. I remember reading

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Speaker 1: about the science of the Kardashians why so many people

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Speaker 1: are interested in them, And it's sort of almost like

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Speaker 1: you feel that you know these people because you've seen

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Speaker 1: media and you kind of grow to care about them

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Speaker 1: in a way like the science is interesting, it is interesting,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'll be the first person to say

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Speaker 1: they are hella problematic um, And so I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: they're heroes or they're so great. But I feel the

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Speaker 1: same way. I feel sort of infinitely interested in them.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably the only person in the world other than

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian who owns Selfie, which is a book that

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian releases, as the name implies, full of her selfies.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Um. I think it's brilliant. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a piece of art. Um. You know who agrees with me? Hey?

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Speaker 1: You called? The New York Times put it on his

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Speaker 1: collection of the best art books of that year. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think if her last name was Warhol and not

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Speaker 1: not Kardashian, it would be hailed as a as an

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Speaker 1: art masterpiece. But well, you're gonna have to let me

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Speaker 1: borrow this, bridget. There is an art to a good selfie,

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Speaker 1: there is, and she's mastered it. And also they've mastered

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Speaker 1: the sort of artifice of kind of Hollywood California life

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Speaker 1: which is interesting because aren't they in New Jersey? Am

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Speaker 1: I wrong? I'm telling you, I only know what agree you.

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Speaker 1: They're in Calabasas, California. I'm so sorry. Times they're in

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Speaker 1: Miami when they take Miami Annie, Annie, Annie. This is

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Speaker 1: like the reverse Star Wars that's happening right now. I

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Speaker 1: feel like you would have tossed me out the studio

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Speaker 1: if you could have. If y'all can see the look

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Speaker 1: I gave her when she said there was flame from

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. I think it's a Jersey shore. I don't

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Speaker 1: here's how I know that, because again, I'm probably one

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Speaker 1: of the only people in the world who played the

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian cell phone game, which was a plus, by

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Speaker 1: it's a game where you pretend you're trying to get famous,

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Speaker 1: and so you're going all over California and when you

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Speaker 1: meet Kim, Kim lives in Calabasas, and so it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: And Kim did something this past week that was pretty inexcusable.

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Speaker 1: You might have seen she posted this picture on Instagram

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Speaker 1: was pretty classic spawn con and it's her eating a lollipop.

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Speaker 1: The caption read, you guys at Flat Tummingco just dropped

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Speaker 1: a new product, their appetite suppressant lollipops, and they're literally unreal.

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Speaker 1: They're giving the first five people on their website off

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Speaker 1: because it's a yeah, Jared got there. Yeah, and Annie,

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Speaker 1: they really didn't appreciate this and they clapped back because

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Speaker 1: she also did the Waste Trainer and Revenge Body that

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Speaker 1: response to Kardashian's post, maybe don't take appetite suppressors and

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Speaker 1: basically she was calling her out pretty hardcore for this post.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that that's some that's some burn right there. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: but Cam isn't alone and chilling flat tummy products, Mini

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Speaker 1: Leaks and Porsche Williams have also hawked them on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: while Hillary Duff and Nicki Minaj promoted other weight loss teas. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: really upsets me when I see products that purport to

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Speaker 1: do harm to your body. Well, you know who agrees

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Speaker 1: known as the a s A in Europe. They actually

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Speaker 1: upheld a complaint against Flat Tummy and they deemed that

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Speaker 1: one of their ads had to be removed. Back in March,

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Speaker 1: Geordy Shure star Sofia Cassi should an Instagram add espousing

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Speaker 1: then notes that these claims have quote not been evaluated

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Speaker 1: the parent company of Flat Tummy t just never got

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Speaker 1: since they can't actually prove that drinking their product will

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Speaker 1: um activity. It's Damie Lee Curtis is the activity activity.

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Speaker 1: Have you've just been eating a well Jamie Lee curtisism

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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. So, according to the Flat Tummy website,

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Speaker 1: and their body, and we're saying that this is the

426
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Speaker 1: this is the standard, this is what you want, it

427
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: looks like to be worth more, to be valued more. UM.

428
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Speaker 1: And there's also I UM I read and I can't

429
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Speaker 1: wait to talk about this in an episode. UM. But

430
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Speaker 1: I read that women are more likely to be obsessive

431
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: about numbers, and I relate to that so much. I

432
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about that. UM. But they talked

433
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Speaker 1: about in the article I was reading. It's a really long,

434
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Speaker 1: in depth article and it was great and hopefully I

435
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Speaker 1: can find it link to it. UM. They were talking

436
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Speaker 1: about how for women sometimes that translates into weight, the

437
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: number on the scale, and you become obsessed with it,

438
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: and it's just like every day, you're checking it multiple times.

439
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: And it could have it could have been that too,

440
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: and it it's upsetting on a whole other level because

441
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: she was so good at hiding it. I didn't know

442
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: until it happened. I didn't know if she was taking

443
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: those supplements, so she hit it really well. UM. And

444
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: that's I mean. I feel like her story is more

445
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: common than then we think. Yeah, I mean one of

446
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: the hallmarks of disordered eating or food issues is being

447
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: able to hide it really well. You know. I I've

448
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: never struggled with that myself, but I have had friends

449
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: that did, and once I kind of learned certain kind

450
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: of tells, you know, you cut your food up a lot,

451
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: or you you know, things like that, like they like

452
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: small things that you wouldn't that wouldn't give it away. Um,

453
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: you sort of realized, Wow, this person has developed an

454
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Speaker 1: entire way of being to not to avoid this thing

455
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: coming out, and it really is probably very exhausting and

456
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: very like on top of already having an issue around food,

457
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: feeling like you have to hide it all the time,

458
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Speaker 1: and that if you could, if you can go to

459
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Speaker 1: dinner with a friend, you need to have little tricks

460
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: so that they don't get wise. That's also probably very

461
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Speaker 1: isolating and also probably just makes it that much harder

462
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: to open up about it. If you if you feel

463
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Speaker 1: like you've already developed these habits and these little quirks

464
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Speaker 1: that will help you be able to do this without

465
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: anyone finding out, those kinds of behaviors, I would imagine

466
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: just make you feel that much more isolated. Yeah. I

467
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: struggled with eating disorders when I was in middle school.

468
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Speaker 1: In high school, Um, one of my nicknames was any Uxia. Yeah. Um,

469
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Speaker 1: but I thought kind of similar to what you were

470
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Speaker 1: saying earlier, I thought everyone did it and just hit it.

471
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Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to me too in sexual harassment,

472
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Speaker 1: Like I thought we were all doing it and that's

473
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Speaker 1: the reason why people looked a certain way, and so

474
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Speaker 1: you had to hide it, like nobody talked about it,

475
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: but we all did it um, which is just awful

476
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's wild to me looking back now that

477
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: I just assumed that's what everyone must be doing one

478
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: in one way or the other. You're you're doing something well.

479
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: I also think that food issues are probably more common

480
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: than we think because it's because of that that need

481
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: to not talk about them and feeling like you need

482
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: to hide it like I like, it wouldn't surprise me

483
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: if if you're in your junior high of a hundred girls,

484
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Speaker 1: if ninety of them maybe they don't have eating disorders

485
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: but have some sort of issue around food, because I

486
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: would I would not say I had an eating disorder,

487
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: but I would say I've had issues with food. And

488
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Speaker 1: I think that's very common. Oh me too. I I

489
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: think that especially women, but not just women. I think

490
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: a lot of us have very troubled relationships with food.

491
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: Are are complicated or something, and this is not Unfortunately,

492
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: it's not as easy as I am hungry and this

493
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: is delicious, and food is a wonderful social experience, and

494
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: I am such proponent of that, but I think for

495
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 1: a lot of us that is not the case. And

496
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Speaker 1: even if like it is a smaller, maybe a smaller

497
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: issue that you have, I do think a lot more

498
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: people struggle with it. Well, this actually reminds me so

499
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: much of the episode we did around women and drinking,

500
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: where not that many women meet the you know, CDCs

501
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: definition of being an a quote unquote alcoholic, but when

502
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: you so that's so, that's one thing, that's one bucket,

503
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: but then so many more or what you might call

504
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: problem drinkers, where you're not maybe you're not a full

505
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: on alcoholic, but you have an issue and so maybe

506
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: you have too much or maybe you don't know when

507
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Speaker 1: to stop. And so I think it's that same kind

508
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: of thing, Like there are probably a lot of women

509
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: out there and a lot of girls out there who

510
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: are have eating disorders, but there are also probably I

511
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: would say probably everybody at some point has an issue

512
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Speaker 1: around food because we we it's just the nature of

513
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Speaker 1: of society. D I think right as women, we are

514
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: told that we have to look a certain way, act

515
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: a certain way, eating a certain way in public is

516
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: not okay. But then you have to also be the like,

517
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: hot girl who wants to eat like or whatever. All

518
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: of those things can't be sure at once. So what

519
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: do you do? Exactly? What do you do? And that's

520
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: another thing I can't wait to talk about is that

521
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: cool girl stereotype. And it kind of reminds me the

522
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: teer leading thing too. This it connects to a lot

523
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: of things because in the teer leading episode we talked

524
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: about all their rules about how much bread you could

525
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: eat in public. Is it goes to show how much

526
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: of a problematic relationship that we have with food and

527
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: how it impacts our body. And it's weird because it's

528
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: the thing that we need. You need it and I

529
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: would hope that we could enjoy it, but yeah, we

530
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: need it to live, and yet we have turned it

531
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: into such a fraught, complex issue we have, Yeah, which

532
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: I guess is is the point. It's it's why Kim

533
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: Kardashian picks selfies, get gets money to take selfies, telling

534
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: her very young audience that that it's cool that suppress

535
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: your appetite when you're hungry, right, that that if you

536
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: want to look this way, then that is something that

537
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: you probably would have to do. Um, didn't she post

538
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: her her meal like a menu of what she eats

539
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: in today? Probably? I think so it wasn't. I mean,

540
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: it was like you're dieting food. But hopefully that is

541
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: what she was eating, because I think it was at

542
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: least like it wasn't just I have nine appetites of

543
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: lollipops and some tap water for lunch. I have more

544
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: lollipops for a long time. If you typed in woman

545
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: on Google, I don't know if this is true anymore.

546
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: If you did an image search, um, it was a woman,

547
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: a really thin woman, eating a salad and smiling like

548
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: it was the best day of her life. Yes, salads

549
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: rarely make me that happy. No, I mean every now

550
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: and then, but generally, Like, I like a salad, but

551
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm not like having the time of my life eating now.

552
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: I've never eaten a salad where I wasn't under durest

553
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: like someone making me although I did. Oh, this is so,

554
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying, Like I'm not immune to this.

555
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: I was once on a date and the date he

556
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I was at a restaurant and texted and they were like, oh,

557
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be late. And I ordered the entire plate

558
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: of pasta and then ate it. And then when the

559
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: date came, I acted like I hadn't eaten it, and

560
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: then I were salad bridget I would do that too.

561
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Waiter was like, I just saw this. I just saw

562
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: this woman eat an entire plate of pasta and I

563
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. Well, he didn't die me out. It

564
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, she's pretending like she didn't. She did.

565
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I would do that too. I would do

566
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: that too. UM. But getting back to social media, UM,

567
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: we have an Instagram horror story about the Talks t

568
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: for you UM from teen Vogues. Sarah Lawrence, an eighteen

569
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: year old student from Calabasas, California, also tried a Tea

570
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: Talks program. After seeing positive results on Instagram. UM, Sarah

571
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: chose to go with Booty and couldn't wait to see results. Quote.

572
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: I had just come back from my first semester of

573
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: college and really wanted to reset my body after having

574
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: gained a few pounds during my first semester away. I

575
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: ordered the twenty eight day Booty Cleans. It was really

576
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: excited about it. But the first night, after taking the

577
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: nighttime tea, I got the splitting pain in my stomach

578
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: at three am. It was one of the most horrible

579
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: things I've ever felt. We're talking about a gut wrenching pain.

580
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: It was kind of scary because I didn't know what

581
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: was happening. All I knew was that I had drink

582
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: the tea. After ordering nearly a month worth of tea,

583
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Sarah decided to try sticking to the program for a

584
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: little longer, and the quote continues, I couldn't change the

585
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: fact that I had already paid for all this tea.

586
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: Plus the nighttime cramps had eased off, and by about

587
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: two weeks I had already lost five pounds. It was

588
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: around that point I was supposed to get my period,

589
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: but it didn't come. My period is pretty regular, so

590
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: I started to worry when another week had gone by

591
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: and it still hadn't shown up. Sarah took a pregnancy test,

592
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: which came back negative. After noticing she had begun to

593
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: feel sluggish and dizzy on a regular basis, she decided

594
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: to stop drinking booty tea. I hope that's how you

595
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: pronounced it, booty. Before detox was up quote. I gained

596
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: all the weight I had lost back basically as soon

597
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: as I stopped drinking the tea. But I started to

598
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: feel normal again, and I got my period soon after that. Damn,

599
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: that is pretty scary stuff. If you're drinking something that

600
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: can impact your body in that way, that's pretty serious. Yeah,

601
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: that's that's really frightening. And again it goes back to

602
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: she gained the weight almost point of her she got

603
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: it back. So again the they this company wants you

604
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: to be dependent on the tea to keep buying it,

605
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: because otherwise they're not going to make money off of

606
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: you anymore. Well, Sarah actually isn't alone. Women on online

607
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: forms have been complaining that weight loss teas impact their periods.

608
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Speaker 1: Dr Karen Kritina, who was a nationally recognized nutrition therapist,

609
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: told teen Vogue this is actually kind of possible. She

610
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: says the reasons behind period disruption from detox t s

611
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: are not super clear, but she did say that stimulants

612
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: found in detox t s can affect stress hormones and

613
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: that stress hormones are actually known to impact your periods.

614
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: And again, I mean something that is messing with your bodies,

615
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, normal way of functioning. It's probably not something

616
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: you want to be, you know, messing with, particularly if

617
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: you bought it. Because Porsha Williams on Real House Spies

618
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: of Atlanta, I told you too on Instagram. Yeah she's

619
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: not a medical professional. No, Porshne william said, not go

620
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: to medical school. That I am very sort Okay, cool, Um,

621
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: that's kind of why. Yeah, going back to the lollipops,

622
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: that is so problematic. Um, but there's also a deeper

623
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: issue going on, which is that we shouldn't be glamorizing

624
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: food issues. We'll get more into that after a quick

625
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: break forward from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsored. So,

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Speaker 1: the data analytics from Mojo looked at the demographics of

627
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Speaker 1: Kim's social reach and unsurprisingly, she has a big pool

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Speaker 1: with young women. I just said, that's so Southern, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not normally southern. Assented said, she has a large

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Speaker 1: pool with young women. That's pretty good accent awesome, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna biggest demo. Her biggest demo market online is women

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Speaker 1: aged eighteen to twenty four to five and women aged

633
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Speaker 1: thirteen to seventeen, which is about eighteen point two. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's look at the data around disordered eating well. Intorexia

635
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: is the third most common chronic illness among adolescents. Of

636
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: those with eating disorders are between ages twelve and twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Half of girls between age eleven and thirteen see themselves

638
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: as overweight, which is heartbreaking. Thirteen year olds have attempted

639
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: to lose weight. So basically, the numbers of people who

640
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: are consuming Kardashian content on social media and the numbers

641
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: of people who are dealing with or at risk of

642
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: dealing with disordered eating are the same. So basically, she

643
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: is her consumer base online. Her audience is the exact

644
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: same audience of young women who are either dealing with

645
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: or are at risk for dealing with disordered eating. So really,

646
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: that just really makes you wonder why is Kim Kardashian

647
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: telling this group of young women who are already at

648
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: risk for such a serious, serious situation. Why is she

649
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: telling them that it's cool to suppress your appetite. They're

650
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: clearly already at risk for this kind of thinking being

651
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: a problem for them, And it makes you wonder. I

652
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: love Kimpkardashian, but does she not understand the reach that

653
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: she has? Does she not understand her audience and does

654
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: she not understand the implications of doing something like that.

655
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of prone to say, going back to to

656
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: my thing earlier, where I thought, that's just what you did,

657
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: you had a neating disorder. I wonder if it's sort

658
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know this is I've I've had

659
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: to suppress my appetite to achieve this, like like the

660
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: seriousness of it is lost, like it's, oh, girls, we

661
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: just do that, you know what I mean? If if

662
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: it's seem less as eating disorder and more of like

663
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: I want to look this and I want this body

664
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: type and to do that, I'm just not gonna eat,

665
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, like kind of brushed off of how damaging

666
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: it is. I do think that some people I've I've

667
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: heard people mentioned in passing to me like I'm just

668
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna not eat supper anymore until I get to this way,

669
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: and they say it in a way that's very um

670
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: like they don't they're not taking into account. How to me,

671
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: that sounds like a really bad attitude towards food, a

672
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: really troubled way, and then troubled a bad way to

673
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: go about achieving a certain weight, an unhealthy way to

674
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: get there. Um But it's just sort of seem like,

675
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: this is what you do to get to this weight

676
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: that I want to do, and I'm going to suffer

677
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: through it, and I'd rather look this way than be healthy.

678
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think that there is a

679
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: disconnect between the seriousness of eating disorders and that sort

680
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: of quote unquote casual every day, I'm gonna not have dinner,

681
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna suppress my appetite, I'm gonna eat this lollipop,

682
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this waste train or whatever. I think

683
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: that it's easy to see those things as very different,

684
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: but they're in fact connected. And let's be real, eating

685
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: disorders are serious. According to the National Association of r

686
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: XI and Nerrosia and associated Disorders, every sixty two minutes,

687
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: at least one person dies as a direct result of

688
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: an eating disorder, and eating disorders have the highest mortality

689
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: rate of any mental illness. And yeah, I mean it's

690
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: a very very serious thing, and I think you're right.

691
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: I think that people like Kim Kardashian perhaps are not

692
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: connecting that notion to ration your food or suppress your appetite,

693
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: or to think about your your body's responses in a

694
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: way like that they're not connecting that with the person

695
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: who dies every sixty two minutes, but they are connected. Yeah,

696
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: and again I am reminded of sexual harassment, where the

697
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: women from Path generations were sort of socialized and trained

698
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to like, this is just how it is and if

699
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: if you want to make it in this world, you're

700
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to put up with this. And for eating disorders,

701
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I think it's the same, like if it's just this

702
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: message that we're sort of sending young women, almost like

703
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: the revenge body. Again, we're telling people, this is your worth.

704
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: You're going to make people jealous. They're going to value

705
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: you more. They're gonna want to look like you. You're

706
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna have more power. But to do that, you have

707
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: to do this. You have to take this lollipop. We

708
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: all do it. Just just get on board. It's yeah.

709
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart because when you're younger, you don't

710
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: have the tools to realize the damage of that message.

711
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: And I think there is almost like like you were

712
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: saying a glorification of um of eating disorders, Like it's

713
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: this tragic thing that you're dealing with. But people are

714
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna be like, oh, look at her, she

715
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: looks so good. I think that's exactly part of it.

716
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: I think that there is a I hate to say

717
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: this and it sounds really tough, but this is what

718
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: I think. I think that for women, the way that

719
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: we deal with eating disorders in the media, it's associated

720
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: with attitudes like, oh, so and so is so disciplined

721
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: or so regimented, and like we we almost maybe glamorizing

722
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: isn't the right word, but we almost kind of praise

723
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: people for being able to have the quote unquote will

724
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: power to do this, and it's like, oh, they must

725
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: really care about looking good, they must really care about

726
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: being their best selves or whatever. And it's just it's

727
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: I think that we. Yeah, I think that we the

728
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: way that the way that bodies exists in our society,

729
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: the way that the fact that you would have a

730
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: bad break up with someone and that response would be

731
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: to develop ever end body to get back at them.

732
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: Like that's when you break down that concept. It's pretty odd. Yeah,

733
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: it's it's upsetting. It's very upsetting, and I totally get it,

734
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: and I've done it. You want to be like see,

735
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm I'm yeah, I'm my best self, I'm looking good. Yeah,

736
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, who among us doesn't want to after a

737
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: breakup post a good looking selfie with you know, nice

738
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: for what as the caption looking good? You know, I

739
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: get it, I totally get it. I completely get it.

740
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: But again, I think that it takes us away like

741
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: our bodies are ours. Your body belongs to you and

742
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: what you do with it and how you use it

743
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: and how it makes you feel that should be that

744
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: is a very personal relationship. And I don't like that

745
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: things like revenge body and things like dealing with their

746
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: weight in public and all that, Like, I think that

747
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: removes us from the idea that your body is yours

748
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: and that you know, you should love it and take

749
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: care of it and and feel good about it. And

750
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it's going to fail. Sometimes it's going to be

751
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: an unhealthy body or a thin body or overweight body

752
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like your body is going to change and

753
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: that's okay, and that you know, all bodies are are

754
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: ours and that we are are are Your relationship with

755
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: your body is your own. And I don't like anything

756
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: that suggests that your body should be a tool to

757
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: accomplish something for somebody else or some societal standard. And

758
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I think that I think that that I think that

759
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: this sounds a little bit like esoteric. But that's the

760
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: the nugget that I think bothers me so much. I

761
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the past episode about how women used

762
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: to catch tuberculosis to look thin, to look a certain way,

763
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: and how they would do it knowing they were going

764
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: to die, but they wanted to look that way for

765
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. And it this is almost more dangerous

766
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: because you don't realize when you do it, like you

767
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: you justify it in your head, like you start out small, Okay,

768
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to skip dinner today. But it's the same

769
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: people are dying to look a certain way to achieve

770
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: a certain body type, and we're kind of just dismissing

771
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: it as like well that that that was that was

772
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: for them, that was a problem that they had. But

773
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, women, a lot of us can do this

774
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: and we're fine. I don't think it's true. Um, I'll

775
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: say for me, like, there's just so much brain space

776
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: that you use because you think about it all the time.

777
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: You could use that for so many other things. And

778
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: it's not I'm not saying it's easy at all, it

779
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: is not, but just there's so much other stuff you

780
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: could be thinking about But instead I think we're telling

781
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: women to think about how can you look this way?

782
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: And when you're hungry all the time, you don't wanna,

783
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: you don't have the energy to think about anything. Really,

784
00:44:53,680 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's really it's upsetting. Yeah, it's a tough one.

785
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: It is upsetting, and it's I think it's I think

786
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I hear this sort of exasperation in your voice because

787
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: it only is an upsetting I don't think it has

788
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: an easy answer. I don't know. I just I wanted

789
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: to end this episode on like a positive what can

790
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: you do? I don't know that this has an easy answer.

791
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that we're I mean, I don't think

792
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: that we I think this is just our culture. I

793
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: agree it's going to take dramatic culture and societal shifts,

794
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: which I do think we're slowly working towards, but it's

795
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: so slow, like glacially glacially slow, and it starts so soon.

796
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: That's what I tried to stress to people when I'm

797
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: talking about this, talking about things like this, is you

798
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: don't realize the messages that kids are taking in and

799
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: how early, and they don't realize it either. It's all

800
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it's subconscious. But if you're seeing this all the time,

801
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: this one type of body, and you know that they're this,

802
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: this woman is really powerful and she's famous and everyone

803
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: sees her is beautiful, you can't help but want to

804
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: be like that. So if you're not like that, you

805
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: will go to you will try these methods, and it

806
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: it can just become this thing that you do hide

807
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: from everyone in your life because you're embarrassed that you

808
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: have to go to those methods and you know that

809
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: they're not right, but you would rather look that way. There. Yeah,

810
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: there's no there's no easy, easy answer, but just try

811
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: to know, take care of yourself and recognize, recognize media

812
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: for what it is like dissect your media. Um. Yeah,

813
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: and until then, I guess you can just try to

814
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: do what we can to move away from this. And

815
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I wish, like when I was younger,

816
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: I wish someone had told me that your value is

817
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: not and how you look. If someone out there needs

818
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: to hear that your value is not how you look. Yeah,

819
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: it's it's true. I mean, it's it's I mean easy,

820
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: easy for us to say and because like, yeah, I

821
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: mean we are adult women who struggle. I mean I

822
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: don't speak, I don't see for you, but I struggle

823
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: with that concept and it's just so stupid, like what

824
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: are we all doing? You know, It's like like why

825
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: do we have to live with this? You know? If

826
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: you if I I talked to my young cousins who

827
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: are so young, and they're like ten, and they're talking

828
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: about their weight and how they look and their their hair.

829
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: My one cousin has very kind of like myself had

830
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: like very short, curly hair. She wants so badly to

831
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: have like hair that hangs. How she how she describes it,

832
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: And I think, you're so young, you're such a baby, right,

833
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, all the things to to get to rent

834
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: your brain space out to like this, and I do

835
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: it too, so so like how could I even tell her?

836
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Like part of me feels like a fraud, right, because

837
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: it's it's just I don't know if we'll like, yeah,

838
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: maybe this is just our culture. But I'll tell you this,

839
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: people like Kim Kardashian, who have a giant reach and

840
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: have a giant platform and are hugely influential, especially for

841
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: young women, I think they do have a responsibility and

842
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm not I mean, on the one hand, it sucks

843
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm saying that people like Kim Kardashian should

844
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: take a special responsibility to help do what small part

845
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: they can to combat these kind of toxic ideas. But

846
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I think, you know. I think with

847
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: power comes reponsibility, and I think that I think that

848
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: that Instagram post is irresponsible and inexcusable. And I think

849
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Speaker 1: someone out there, some little girl saw that and thought, oh,

850
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: that's an idea. Yeah, I agree. I think we have

851
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: to be mindful that people are watching. And it does.

852
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: On the one hand, it sucks because celebrities are people too,

853
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: and who knew we were going to get so deep

854
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: talking about I was like, oh, this will be it easy,

855
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Like now I'm about to cry. It's it's inescapable, and

856
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: it's on the one hand, I do feel almost like

857
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: it's unfair, But on the other hand, I'm like, well,

858
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: too bad, Like we can't have just it's dangerous not

859
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: to think about how you're impacting people who are consuming

860
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: your media. In case, yeah, I mean, if Kim Kardashian

861
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: has to go without a two dollar check or whatever

862
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: from flat tummy t to have a group of girls

863
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: not feel bad about themse else I'm kind of okay

864
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: with it. I honestly think, you know, she has a responsive,

865
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: not not just her. People with a platform have a

866
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: responsibility to not contribute to stuff that's really toxic. And

867
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: even part part of me thinks that she knows this

868
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: because that Instagram post but seriously vanished and then she

869
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: put it back up and said, oh, it was deleted accidentally,

870
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: which deleting an Instagram post is very difficult. Ever, somebody

871
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: who uses the Grahams as much as she does, I

872
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: don't buy that for a second. And so I think,

873
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: and also she's someone one of the reasons why I

874
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: like her is that because she does seem to understand

875
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: that she is a proponent for planned parenthood right like

876
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: she does seem to understand that she has this this

877
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: big reach, And I think I want to see more

878
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: people with influence just doing what they can. Absolutely, And

879
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm always a big proponent of education, you know, should

880
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: I think we wait too long to have these conversations,

881
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: I really do, because it starts so young. So educate

882
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: people about about eating disorders and what you can do

883
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: how to recognize signs in yourself and and others. That's

884
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: one step as well. UM, but if this is something

885
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: if you've made it this far and this is something

886
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: that you struggle with, congrats to you. I know it

887
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: must have been tough. But we do have UM Eating

888
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: Disorder Hotline info. Yeah, if you are someone for whom

889
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: this is an issue that you want to get a

890
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: handle on, you should do that. Or if if you

891
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: have a friend that or a loved one for whom

892
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: you think they could benefit from talking to someone, you

893
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: should definitely definitely take those steps. You can reach out

894
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: to the National Eating Disorder Hotline. The number is one

895
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: eight hundred nine three one two two three seven. That's

896
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: one hundred nine three one two to three seven. And

897
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: if you're having a crisis situation, you can text n

898
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Speaker 1: e d A to seven four one seven four one

899
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: to be connected with They trained a volunteer at the

900
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: crisis text hatline. Again, if you I think that this

901
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: is an issue that we don't talk enough about, and

902
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: I hope that someone listens and says I'm I no

903
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: longer want to feel this way and I want to

904
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: talk to somebody about it. Yeah, I hope so as well.

905
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people, I personally know a

906
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: lot of people and myself included. I would have loved

907
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: to have heard this at a younger age. Who knows

908
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: how much grief it could. It saved me, So hopefully

909
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: we've we've reached someone. Um, maybe Kim Kardashian is gonna

910
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: think twice about the next time. I'd like to think

911
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: we have that power and she doesn't even need the money.

912
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: Come on him, she's rich, Come on, come on. Yeah.

913
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what we had to say about that,

914
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: all right, but we have a lot more homework to do,

915
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: for sure. I wish I'd been keeping talking about any

916
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: times we said we should do an episode on this,

917
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: it's probably like ten times. But um, it brings us

918
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: to a segment we're bringing back listener mail. I know,

919
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: that's that's quite the turn. I know. Well, we'd like

920
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: to end on something a little up beats. Bridget recently

921
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: gave me the keys of the email, and I like

922
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: spent over twenty four hours reading every Yeah, I should add,

923
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: first of all, y'all know I hate email, But second

924
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: of all, we get so much email and our mom's

925
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: stuff email and we try to go through it, but

926
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 1: it's so it's I'm not lying, right, it's so much,

927
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: so much it's too much for one person to reasonably

928
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: sit through unless that person is any rees email fiend.

929
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: I had such an emotional roller coaster because I think

930
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: a lot of it started because the inbox changed from

931
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: Christen Caroline to bridget Family, So it started around the

932
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: time of the election, and so I was just like

933
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: reliving it's the eyes the low of what's been going

934
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: on in the past years, and so many of you

935
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: had so many amazing things to say, so really happy

936
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: to bring it back, and we could probably do a

937
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: couple episodes that are entirely listener mail. UM. And to

938
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: start off, I wanted to read this thing that Caitlin wrote. UM.

939
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: She wrote about are female Action Figures episode and a

940
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: lot of you did. Can't wait to read some more

941
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: of those on air. But she Caitlyn wrote, thank you

942
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: for the wonderful show about the lack of female action figures.

943
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about a group getting together who actually

944
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: took other types of dolls, repainted them, made new outfits,

945
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: and made the ray dolls everyone wanted. That's awesome. UM.

946
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm also emailing to show off this weird site where

947
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: people take comic and game illustrations and revamped them mostly

948
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: with Hawkeye, but other heroes and villains are included as well,

949
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: hoping you can all get a laugh from these. It's

950
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: called the Hawkeye Initiative dot com. It's amazed seeing I

951
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: loved it. Thank you so much. Kit. It is super amazing. Yes,

952
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: it's like I got this spidy pool. Yeah, you guys

953
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: can't see what you have to go to it. It's

954
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: I can't even describe it. It's um it's retaking usually

955
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: comic book covers that have really overly sexualized women on

956
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: the front and then putting men in those same overly

957
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: sexualized positions. And it's excellent and hilarious and I love it,

958
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: so definitely check it out if that's something you're interested in.

959
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: I love it too. Thank you for sharing that, Annie.

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00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: I've got one for you. Van wrote about our poor

961
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: twenty episode. I currently live in San Antonio, Texas, where

962
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: I came for college and I'm working now, but I

963
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: am born and raised from Mexico. To Annie's point of

964
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: knowing and being conscious of where things you consume come

965
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: from and it's impact they have on society, well, a

966
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of drugs do go through or come from Mexico

967
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 1: to get to the US, and a lot of people

968
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: in these board town cities have suffered due to drug

969
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: trafficking due to cartels that are in the business of

970
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: getting drugs to the United States and making a lot

971
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: of lives miserable. My hometown is rain Nosa, Temolipas, and

972
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: for years the people living there have been victims of

973
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: random shootings in the street of cartels fighting with each

974
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: other overpower. People have gone missing, clandestine graves have been found,

975
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: and people have been chased away from their hometowns. So

976
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: not only minorities in the US have been arrested due

977
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: to that illegal joint that ex teenager is smoking, people

978
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: might have died in several countries depending on where that

979
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: joint came from. If we were legal in the US, though,

980
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: you can grow it in your own country, and maybe

981
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: demand for outside drugs would decrease, and not only the

982
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: States would have a better place, but other countries as well.

983
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: Isn't that a wonderful dream? I just really agree with you,

984
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: and you said that we should look at where the

985
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: things we consume come from, especially when it's uncomfortable to

986
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: talk about anyway. I should tell you that I of

987
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: course hold Mexico's government accountable for fixing these issues. But

988
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: it's been seven years and that hasn't happened. Yeah, yeah,

989
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: I think this. I think Evon gets to the heart

990
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: of if you recall that episode, I was pretty uncomfortable

991
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: with poor twenty and sort of weed hold her in general,

992
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: even though I obviously am in poor legalization. But I

993
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: think that this letter really gets to the heart of

994
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: why I have a lot of tension around that. Yeah. Yeah,

995
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: and that's something we didn't touch on a lot in

996
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: that episode. And I'm glad that Von wrote in from

997
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: Mexico having this experience. In this point of view, it's

998
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: the Yeah, it's not only in the United States where

999
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: this is causing problems, it's also impacting Mexico. So I

1000
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: again just yeah, keep in mind where what you consume

1001
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: comes from and the complete cost of it. Yeah. Not,

1002
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to well, I don't want to open

1003
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: a whole kind of worms. But yes, I mean Van

1004
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: points us out masterfully, But we don't care about the

1005
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: brown bodies, whether they're Mexicans trying to live their life

1006
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: and and you know, cartels, we can have it on

1007
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: their on their ability to do that. Or black and

1008
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: brown folks in the United States being thrown in jail.

1009
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: We don't care about the black and brown bodies that

1010
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: are fueling are really anything I was gonna say drugs, ray,

1011
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: but really anything, whether it's food production or whatever that

1012
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: we don't care. And I think that her letter demonstrates that.

1013
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think that's one of the reasons

1014
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: why I have such a problem with it, because it's

1015
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: so fun in games to be Rara smoke weed every day,

1016
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So fun. Yeah, but it's not fun

1017
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: to think about the like the family that can't live

1018
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: a normal life because of this. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um.

1019
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: So thanks to both of them for writing in and

1020
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: thinks as always too our producers Dylan Fagan and Kathleen Cillian. Um,

1021
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: you can write us as well. We have an email.

1022
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: It's a mom Stuff and how Stuff works dot com.

1023
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: Don't encourage people to fill that box. Kids, Please write in,

1024
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: Please write in. Oh so many people sent pictures of

1025
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: their kids and like superhero causs. Please keep that up. Um.

1026
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Speaker 1: You can also find us on social media that's right

1027
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Speaker 1: or on Instagram at stuff on Never Told You, and

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