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Speaker 1: uh acknowledge ourselves and you right right, de Luke Chuck,

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Speaker 1: what episode is this? This is episode number one thousand,

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Speaker 1: five hundreds. Nuts. It's nuts. Up to this moment, I've

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Speaker 1: just been thinking of episode. When you say it like that,

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Speaker 1: mind boggling. And many thanks or in order, first of all,

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Speaker 1: to Jill Hurley, our Minister of Stats, for pointing this

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Speaker 1: Max Matt know, all the producers who've helped us along

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Speaker 1: the way, right yeah. Uh. And of course Ed and

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Speaker 1: Livia and Dave Bruce are intrepid writers. Is that the

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Speaker 1: right word. They're intrepid for sure, they have no trepidation,

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Speaker 1: that's right. And we're acknowledging the stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: you guys listening out there, and of course Chuck. Last,

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Speaker 1: me and Emily Momo Ruby. Yeah, of course, everyone provides

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Speaker 1: us a lot of support, and uh, it's just pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: How about that. That sounds great. Welcome to stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast, or should I say paancast. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck. It's just the two of us. But I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about this one enough that I've basically birth to Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, sure what that means, Just don't think about it, okay.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we're talking about breakfast, and uh, I mean

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Speaker 1: Taylor made for the internet. You know, there's nostalgia, there's tastiness, um,

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Speaker 1: there's history. It's got everything it does. But how stuff

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Speaker 1: And this is just probably a part one. Like, there

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Speaker 1: sense though, Yeah, if you're gonna sell cocaine, you should

424
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: be like, this is Quaker brand cocaine, and people would

425
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: be like, I can trust you, I don't need to

426
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: test that first. That's funny. So the Quaker Man. I

427
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: was looking to see who it was based on, because

428
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: all those things were modeled on somebody. And I came

429
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: across the very famous version of it that you and

430
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: I grew up with. It was painted by um Head

431
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: and Son Blom, who painted the Coke Santa Okay, and

432
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: once you know that, you can kind of see the

433
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: different the the similarity. But anyway, um some people say

434
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: it was based on William Penn of the famous comedy

435
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: duo Penn and Teller, but apparently Quaker Oats says, now,

436
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't based on anybody. But if you go look

437
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: at the old Quaker Oats, like the original ads, it

438
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: looks a lot like William Penn. Yeah, I agree, And

439
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: I love that you sent me the uh that little

440
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: nostalgic page on the old nineteen seventies and eighties, the

441
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: little I mean he still make them, the those delicious

442
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: sugary flavored packets of Quaker oatmeal. Yeah, you can see

443
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: the progression of them from like unlike zero taste too,

444
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, adding raisins and then all this stuff. And

445
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: then by the nineties there was like a blue raspberry

446
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: when did you see that? No, grody, I think that

447
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: was on That was on click americana dot com, which

448
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 1: is a great site for nostalgia like that. I do

449
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: like the overnight oats thing. That's something I didn't know

450
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: was the thing until a couple of years ago. Yeah,

451
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: it seems to be very popular now. But those are

452
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: those are tasty. All the kids these days are eating

453
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: overnight Well, that's right, it's the It's the hipster version

454
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: of hot oatmeal. So um, we got we have to

455
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 1: talk about coffee for a couple of reasons. I mean,

456
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: we did an entire episode on coffee. We did an

457
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: entire episode on caffeine. So we'll keep it short. Agreed, Yeah,

458
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: because we covered most of this. Um. But the very origin,

459
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 1: the very origin, the origin of how supposedly, and it's

460
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: a pretty good story even if it's not true, but

461
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: the legend of the Ethiopian goat herder that saw goats

462
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: eating what ended up being coffee beans or coffee berries,

463
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: and those goats started jumping around and dancing and getting

464
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: down and boogeing, and the goat herder was like, huh,

465
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: let me see if I want to eat one of those,

466
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: and they realized the stimulating effects right off the bat,

467
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: and caffeine and coffee beans became a thing. Yea that

468
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: was coldly by the way the Ethiopian herder. So in

469
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: the colonies. In America, everybody mostly drank tea, even though

470
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: coffee had made its way to Europe by them, but

471
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: everybody like tea, and then England began heavily text hea

472
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: and so they adopted coffee widely. In America, it became

473
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of a patriotic thing to drink coffee. But then

474
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: round about this time, or maybe a century or so before,

475
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: depending on who you ask, coffee started to replace beer

476
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: and wine as like the breakfast drink because people noticed

477
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: that you didn't like fall over on your scythe at

478
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: eleven a m if you drank coffee for breakfast in

479
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: you would if you drank a bunch of like hard

480
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: cider insteady Drinking booze for breakfast is unless you're at

481
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: sunny brunch. It's not a great way to start your

482
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: work today. No, not at all. So get this, chuck.

483
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Sixty of Americans drink coffee every day. Seems like a lot, right.

484
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: Australia has just totally beat of people in Australia drink

485
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: coffee every single day. That doesn't surprise me. They do.

486
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: They do everything to the max. Okay, so so you

487
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: you think that's pretty impressive, though, listen to this in

488
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: the UK. Of people who live in the UK drink

489
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: tea every day. Okay, I'll thought you about to say coffee.

490
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: I would have been blown away. Yeah, they don't do that.

491
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: But of people drink you over there, and only six

492
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: of Americans drink coffee. My I feel like I'm standing

493
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: on my head right now. Uh should we do o

494
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: J Yeah? Alright? What orange juice? It's such a staple

495
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: item for breakfast, even though apparently it's over the past

496
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: couple of decades, consumption of orange juice has been going

497
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: down in the United States, but it's still a staple

498
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: breakfast item. And this is because again, people were drinking

499
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: low alcohol booze at breakfast for you know, many hundreds

500
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: of years, and then finally, uh, orange juice came along.

501
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: But it was really expensive. Oranges were expensive. They you

502
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: can't grow them everywhere obviously, so getting them, you know,

503
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: across America was an issue. But trains came along and

504
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you could get oranges around the

505
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: country pretty speedily, and vitamin C became a thing in

506
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties where scientists isolated and said, hey, this

507
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: stuff is really good for you, and there's a lot

508
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: of it in oranges and this this is also another

509
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: breakfast food that came about because the company was like,

510
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: we need to unload a bunch of these things, and

511
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: there's a bumper crop of oranges in nineteen sixteen and

512
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: so orange producers kind of got together and started a

513
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: campaign called Drinking Orange, uh, and it was like, you know,

514
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: buy a bunch of oranges and make orange juice and

515
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: drink that for breakfast. So that's another idea where it

516
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: came from. But they ran into a problem until the

517
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: nineteen forties Chuck and that was that, yeah, you could

518
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: get oranges across the country, and you could get orange

519
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: juice kind of far, but there was a chance that

520
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: was going to show up turned it was going to

521
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: spoil along the way, and so the US government was like,

522
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: our soldiers want orange juice, but we can't give it

523
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: to them. We're going to give a bunch of money

524
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: to anybody who can come up with a way to

525
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: get orange juice across the United States without it turning bad.

526
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: That's right, And that's when frozen concentrate orange juice came

527
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: into play thanks to the Minute Made Company. And I

528
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: have haven't had that stuff since I was a kid,

529
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: but I have a great nostalgia for it because that's

530
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: how we drank orange juice in my house growing up. Yeah,

531
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: I just realized that that's what's wrong with my freezer

532
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: as an adult. It's missing like that Minute Made can

533
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: that was just kind of like a little blast of

534
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: sunshine every time you open the freezer, you know. Yeah,

535
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: And I will say this, even though there are many

536
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: more ways to make a sophisticated cocktail, if you're hanging

537
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: out in the summertime by the pool and you happen

538
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: to have like a blender nearby, there are a lot

539
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: worse things you can do than get some lime made

540
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: or some of that strawberry frozen junk and make a

541
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: big thing of frozen dacories. Just cheap eat little frozen dachories.

542
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: I remember that Baccardi Breezer's add from the eighties where

543
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: the parson went inside. When they came out, her friends

544
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: were like eighty years old, and they're like, what took

545
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: you so long the weird thing, oh man, so Minute Made,

546
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: by the way was founded by a guy named Richard

547
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Morse who invented that proce us of creating concentrate from

548
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: orange juice and shipping across the country. And for the

549
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: first season they packaged for a company called snow Crop.

550
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: It took off like a rocket, and Minim said, yeah,

551
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: we're going to stop doing that inform our own company,

552
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: and they did. Why did they spell it like that? Though?

553
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I've never understood minute made? Yeah,

554
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: why is it? I mean, why is it spelled M

555
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: A D E Like it's made in a minute? That's

556
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: what it implies. Why is it spelled like a housemaid?

557
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to make something up completely, But you can

558
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: also call it hazardating a guess. Okay, sure, let's hear it.

559
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's made in a minute. So you get

560
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: that just from the minute made together. But the fact

561
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: that they spell it like that makes it seem like

562
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: it's so easy to make you might as well have

563
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: a domestic servant helping you. Yeah, you think that's my guess.

564
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: That's my guess. Now I'm wondering what the actual definition

565
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: of made is there may be something in there that

566
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know about. I don't think so, I think

567
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm right here. And of course A very quickly just

568
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: googled made and the first thing that pops up is

569
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of sexy halloween Halloween goss. I'm sure of it.

570
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: How bat Man, Uh, should we take another break and

571
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: then finish up with a triplet of delicious pancakey waffle

572
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: e French tosty things? Indeed, I do, Chuck, I think

573
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: that's a great plan. Okay, so we're back and we're

574
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: talking first about pan clocks. Have you ever seen fifty

575
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: First States? I've seen parts of it. I don't know

576
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: if I ever saw at all. Adam Sandlers trying to

577
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: um attract Drew barrymore so. He pretends like he's trying

578
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: to order off the menu, but he can't read, so

579
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: he's sounding it out. He says pan clocks and then

580
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: he gets all frustrated. It's pretty cute, little seam. But anyway,

581
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: it's funny that was a reference to that. Instead, we're

582
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: talking about pancakes, and you said that um oats are

583
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: one of the oldest UH breakfasts, And actually it seems

584
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: that pancakes are probably the oldest breakfast of all time

585
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: because they found that, um ootsy, remember our friend outs

586
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: the ice man, he had a breakfast of iron corn

587
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: wheat in his stomach, and they think that he probably

588
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: ate it in the form of a cooked pancake. Oh interesting, Yeah,

589
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: because you can make a batter out of some sort

590
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: of grain and pour it on a hot rock and

591
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: there's your grittle right there. Yeah, that's a good point. Um.

592
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: There are all kinds of different pancakes throughout antiquity, uh

593
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: that were made from all kinds of ingredients, depending on

594
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: kind of what was readily available. Uh. You know, even

595
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: consider like a potato pancake a pancake because the name

596
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: is right there. Um, if you're talking official recipes, Uh,

597
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: it was a Dutch cook in the sixteenth century that

598
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: I think has the first official pancake recipe. But that,

599
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: like you said, that was way way later. You know,

600
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: people had been eating some kind of pancakey thing for

601
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: a long long time, right, and since it was around

602
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: so long, different cultures kind of tinkered with it here

603
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: or there and came up with like their favored version

604
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: of it. So that's why you have so many different pancakes. Today,

605
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: you've got um the American pancake or flapjack, which I

606
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: looked it up, same exact thing. It's apparently just just

607
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: a regional difference in the name. If you're in Australia,

608
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: you'll eat pancakes for dessert. Apparently Germans eat them as

609
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: strips alongside soup. You have never heard of that? No,

610
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I haven't either, But the Swedish know what they're doing

611
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: because they just they topped there. They basically go the

612
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: eye hoop route and they put whip cream on their

613
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: pancakes and and like sweetened fruit too. I think that's

614
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the deal. It's the International House of Pancakes, right, Oh,

615
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: I guess so, because they also have crapes, the French version. Yeah.

616
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it before or which is

617
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of dumb. I never really considered a crape like

618
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: a French pancake, I guess. I mean, I know it's similar,

619
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know. The taste is too different to me.

620
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: It's more of a pan clock You like pancake. What's

621
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: your favorite of pancake, waffle or French toast man? Why

622
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: would you do this to me? I can actually tell

623
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: you that French toast is my favorite. But I will

624
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: eat pancakes any day of the week, any time of day,

625
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: any day of the week. I love pancakes, but the

626
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: actual like delicacy, like the taste, or the delicate nous

627
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: and just general like like mouth feel, if I can

628
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: get weird and gross of French toast is like it's

629
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: tough to beat that. Yeah, I see, I love all

630
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: those two. But boy, a crispy waffle those the way

631
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: those squares fill up with syrup as the little individual

632
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: cubicles just waiting for me to dive in. That's right,

633
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's why there's always a line at the

634
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: holiday and Express the next morning around the always far

635
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: too few waffle makers. I remember when we toured Australia,

636
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: the Virgin Air lounge in the airport had waffle makers.

637
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: And I've seen them in the uh you know hotel

638
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: like you like the Hampton Inn do it yourself thing,

639
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: but I've never seen him in a in an airport lounge.

640
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: It was quite a little treat. Did it have the

641
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Virgin logo emblazon Donna? No? But I mean, since we're there,

642
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about that, because apparently waffles. Uh,

643
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: in the early days of um, not early days of religion,

644
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: but in medieval Europe at least, the Catholic Church actually

645
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: had and I'm not sure how they did this, that's

646
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: the one thing I couldn't figure out. But they had

647
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: biblical scenes and things on the waffle. So they they

648
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: they made them using etched plates. Okay, so it was

649
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: in the mold exactly, so it's exactly like what we

650
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: do today, except they had theirs on like long handles

651
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: and they held it over a fire and then turned

652
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: them over. Oh that makes sense. And so the original

653
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: waffle apparently goes back or the predecessor of it's called

654
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: the obelios, goes back to ancient Greece, and it was basically,

655
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, an extension of pancakes, but rather than cooking

656
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: it on one flat surface and turning it over, they

657
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: would cook it between two metal plates and then turn

658
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing over. Um. And that was the predecessor

659
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: of the waffle. And you know, give or take a

660
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: thousand or so, maybe two thousand years yeah, yeah, about

661
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: two thousand years the Catholic Church said waffles are so awesome,

662
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna basically make them. Plan b of the Communion wafer,

663
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: that's right, and the little printed waffles that I was

664
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: talking about. I think was they started out with like,

665
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: oh hey, it's across or something a little you know,

666
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: less fancy. But as time went on they got really uh,

667
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: they kind of went crazy with the stuff and they

668
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: would have like landscapes and family crests, and they got

669
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: way more elaborate. I'd like to see. I couldn't find

670
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: a picture of any of those. Did you see any? No?

671
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: I didn't, But I can imagine them. Okay, I can

672
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: guess what they look like. I just I tie the

673
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: waffle so closely to that grid spared grid pat pattern,

674
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: it would just look strange. So I've got one on that.

675
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: They think that the word waffle came from a derivation

676
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: of wafer, right, like the Communion wafer. But I saw

677
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: another explanation too, that it might have come from waffle

678
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: w f a l um or golf r g a

679
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: U f r e, which is old French, and the

680
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: old French golfer or waffle means a piece of a

681
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: honey beehive. Oh well, so we got the honeycomb. Yes,

682
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: I love it. Those old French knew what they were

683
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, and they were cooked back then, like

684
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: you said, between these iron plates on like long handled

685
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: over a fire. I have these things at the camp now.

686
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: They're not in the shape of a waffle. They're called

687
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: pie irons. It's the same kind of thing. You just

688
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: put bread in there, and you can make little pizzas

689
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: or you can make a little apple pies or whatever,

690
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: and you just like spray that the iron, put the

691
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: bread in there, and I guess it was the same

692
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: for the waffle, and then squeeze them together and then

693
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: hold it over a fire and brown it up really nicely.

694
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I've got something for you to try then that you

695
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: might that might work with that. It's called a chaw fell.

696
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: And instead of like a grain based or cereal based batter,

697
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: you use um, eggs and cheese mixed together. Is the batter.

698
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: But you do everything else the exact same. So what

699
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: is it? Is? It just like a little old square

700
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: gritted omelet, basically okay, and easily cooked, like you could

701
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: very easily cook it in that pie iron. All right,

702
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: give it a shot and report back. Okay. So there's

703
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: there's a guy named Cornelia swartout to love and he's

704
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: actually the guy who's first ended a patent for a

705
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: waffle iron back in eighteen sixty nine, like a real

706
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: deal waffle iron. Yeah, And apparently on that day, August

707
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: twenty four, the date that he was granted the patent,

708
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: that is considered National waffle Day here in the United States.

709
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: I love it. And as legend goes, who knows it

710
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: is true? But they credit Thomas Jefferson with bringing over

711
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: those longhanded pie iron style waffle irons to America in

712
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: the late seventeen hundreds. I guess he saw those things,

713
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: were like these are fantastic. Yeah. And walking it back

714
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: to pancakes for another second. Um, one of the reasons

715
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: why they seemed to be so old is that so

716
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: many different cultures came up with them on their own independently. Like, um,

717
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: you can't really say that they were imported to America

718
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: because the Native Americans were already making their own. They

719
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: just used corn meal. So like all of the different

720
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: techniques kind of came together and in America we said

721
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: we like this, this and this, and you've got the

722
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: American pancake. But the reason I wanted to kind of

723
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: walk it back is because we just talked about National

724
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: Waffle Day. There's National pancake Day to you, of course,

725
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: but in certain countries, Fat Tuesday or Shrove Tuesday is

726
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: also a national pancake Day, and that apparently dates back

727
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: to medieval times, not the Dark Ages um where people

728
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: would use up all of their fats, their eggs, their

729
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: sugar stuff that they had to give up for Lent

730
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: on the last day before Lent, which was Fat Tuesday

731
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: or Shrove Tuesday. Makes a lot of sense, It really does, chuck.

732
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: That brings us to French toast. I do love French

733
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: toast because you can I love just the little cheap

734
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: old slice bread version you can do at home. I

735
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: like going to a fancy brunch restaurant and having the big,

736
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: really delicious kind of like hola bread French toast and

737
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: they're all kinds of different breads they can use, and

738
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: like the vanilla, and it's this is all just making

739
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: me so hungry. But uh, there's that's twice. Uh there's

740
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: a legend that you know, I saw all over the internet.

741
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Apparently everyone has seen this who looks into French toast history.

742
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if it's true because it's

743
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: not documented and it may be one of those sort

744
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: of Internet stories that there was a man named Joseph

745
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: French who was an innkeeper in the seventeen hundreds that

746
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: made this meal in the name. Uh, he didn't want

747
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: to call it French's toast because supposedly he did not

748
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: have to make it an apostrophe, and so it became

749
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: French toast. But that just seems dubious to me. It

750
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: does because it's and it's contradicted by the historical record

751
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: because the first use of the term French toast for

752
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: a type of toast that is dipped in like an

753
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: eggy batter um, and then fried um shows up in

754
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: sixteen sixty, So what are they in the century before that?

755
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: That guy in a book called The Accomplished. Um, I

756
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: have to spell it a C C O M P

757
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: L I S H T cook, Right, I love it?

758
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Like that should be backwards in there. Yeah, it totally

759
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: should be. So that's where the first use of French

760
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: toast came from. And so people would say like, well, okay,

761
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: so the French came up with this, there shouldn't be

762
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: any really big mystery to it. That apparently is not

763
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: the case, because the French call it pam perdue, which

764
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: means lost bread, which means bread that's gone stale. And

765
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: you didn't want to just throw out bread. You would

766
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: use it. And one way you could use it was

767
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: for French toast. But it seemed like they were calling

768
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: it lost bread after older English tradition, which they just

769
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: called lost bread. So the French didn't call it French

770
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: toast and they didn't lay any kind of claim to Um,

771
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: French toast is like their national invention. There's some other

772
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: really interesting ideas of where it possibly came from the

773
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: name French toast. Right, Yeah, I mean the the whole

774
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: idea of French like a French fry is not from

775
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: France either. That comes from the slicing technique. Old Irish

776
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: word for to slice is French like French that potato, uh,

777
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: And so that sort of falls in line with the

778
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: same thing with French toast. It would be a sliced bread. Um.

779
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: I do love the whole lost bread thing, and that

780
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: all makes perfect sense that you would, you know, bread

781
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: was a little stale if you dip it in something

782
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: and fright in a band, you're still going to be

783
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: able to enjoy that bread. It won't taste super stale.

784
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: And with French toasts in particular, that name, that's there's

785
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: some food historians who say maybe that could be it,

786
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: but they suspect that it's actually marketing among some people,

787
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: especially in America, to call it French toast because it

788
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: makes it sound fancier. Yeah, I totally buy that. And

789
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: then get this dude. In Great Britain, specifically in Windsor, Um,

790
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: that's called poor Knights of Windsor. That's what you You

791
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: would order poor Knights of Windsor, and they would bring

792
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: you French toast. You have never heard of that? Um?

793
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Now are these competing explanations for that? That's what they

794
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: call French toast and it has its own story, No, no, no,

795
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean competing stories for where that came from. Because

796
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: one I saw said that the attle of what is

797
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: it c c R E c y in France in

798
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: thirty six, Uh, there were knights who were captured by

799
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: the French and they basically had to sell off their

800
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: lands in order to pay their way out of that

801
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: pay for their release, and Edward the third, as legend goes,

802
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: gave them a place to stay in Windsor Castle in

803
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: trade for their labor, so they were they would be

804
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: the poor knights because nights, you know, it's not like

805
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: all the knights were rich or anything like that. And

806
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: they stayed Windsor Castle, so they were the poor knights

807
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: of Windsor. But I guess that they were fed that there.

808
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that's right. I don't know the connection. Well, I

809
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: like the other explanation of the French connection. Right, So

810
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: the reason why you might call it poor knights. There's

811
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: another explanation is that, so if you were a gentry

812
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: landed gentry during the medieval era, you were expected to

813
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: serve dessert at dinner, and knights were gentry, but not

814
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: all knights were rich, as you said, and so to

815
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of like still serve dessert, they would serve this

816
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: French toast with jam as a dessert because it was

817
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: very cheap and easy to make, and so it would

818
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: be called poor night. Oh that's interesting because the what's

819
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: that sandwich that we talked about before, the no, the

820
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: one that's made like French toast but it has jam

821
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: in it, the the mons. Yeah, yeah, I wonder if

822
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: that's came from that too. I don't know, man, Maybe

823
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: can we talk about can we finish with brunch? Oh man,

824
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: there's no way we can't finish with brunch. We need

825
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: to do brunch in this one and part two. Yeah,

826
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: I think so because brunch um, brunch is something that

827
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: we had growing up occasionally, like very rarely, when we

828
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: were allowed to skip church growing up, I think my

829
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: mom would say, you know, we can have brunch at

830
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: the house. Uh, And that was just the first time

831
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: I've ever heard that word it. It didn't become like

832
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: a um like out to eat at a restaurant kind

833
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: of thing in my life until much much later. And

834
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: of course now brunch is a very trendy like big

835
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: time Saturday and Sunday weekend meal. Uh. It's if you

836
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: ever read the height of the New York brunch Heyday

837
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: from the mid two thousand's, where uh, just things got

838
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: so out of hand with like the all you can

839
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: drink mimosas and bloody Mary's and people getting in fist

840
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: fights and people waiting in line for hours and then

841
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: angry and they're drunk. It's just like it gave brunch

842
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: a bad name. But brunch is really one of the

843
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: great meals if you can indulge a bit. Man, one

844
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: of the best brunch drinks I've ever had, or one

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Speaker 1: of the best drinks I've ever had, was called a

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Speaker 1: breakfast Negroni, and it was made with apple all so

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Speaker 1: it was much sweeter and I can't remember what else

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Speaker 1: they put it in, but oh man, it was so good.

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Speaker 1: And that was in a New York brunch place, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Where does brunch come from though, they don't know, but

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Speaker 1: the earliest we've ever found, and obviously it's breakfast in lunch,

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Speaker 1: so probably a million people came up with it. But

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Speaker 1: first guy to write it down in print was a

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Speaker 1: guy named Guy Barringer who was a British author, and

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Speaker 1: he published an essay in in the the magazine I

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Speaker 1: Guess Hunter's Weekly, and it was called Brunch colon a Plea.

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Speaker 1: And in this he basically says, Hey, we all, like

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Speaker 1: um have Sunday brunch and it's like a huge meat

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Speaker 1: filled affair that people eat after church. And it's too much.

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Speaker 1: It's too much because not all of us go to church,

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Speaker 1: and some of us really drink too much the night before.

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Speaker 1: So we need something else that is going to replace

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Speaker 1: that midday meal. Let's call it brunch, and it's meant

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Speaker 1: to basically get over a hangover. Yeah, and that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: They also trace its roots as a meal. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they called it brunch. In fact, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They called it a hunt breakfast in England, I guess

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Speaker 1: before they went out on the fox Hunt, they would

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Speaker 1: have these really big multi course meals and it sounds

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Speaker 1: a lot like brunch. They would have sweet pastries and

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Speaker 1: fruit and meat and eggs and sort of like a

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Speaker 1: big smorgus board. Uh. And for the same reasons, because

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Speaker 1: they had to have something large to eat. And this

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Speaker 1: was before they ate big breakfast, I guess. And in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties is when it seems to have caught

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Speaker 1: on in the US, right. Yeah. Apparently it was Hollywood

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Speaker 1: movie stars who started to brunch and everybody said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've got to start doing that because that sounds pretty

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Speaker 1: awesome and it is awesome. Um. And apparently one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why it took off was because, um, people

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Speaker 1: stopped going to church as much after World War Two,

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Speaker 1: but they still wanted to do something, you know, socially

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Speaker 1: on Sunday mornings to replace it. So brunch kind of

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Speaker 1: filled that vacuum. I'm trying to picture the The news

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Speaker 1: Wire reports on that attendance down. Yeah, Rock Hudson sits

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Speaker 1: down at ten thirty am for a meal. What right? Uh,

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Speaker 1: it is a great meal, though, you know, church attendance

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Speaker 1: is down. Another thing that happens, supposedly post World War

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Speaker 1: two is when women started joining the workforce more, they

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Speaker 1: were like, hey, I like to do a little something

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Speaker 1: fun on the weekend too, right, So can I go

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Speaker 1: out and eat Sunday brunch as well? And I wondered,

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Speaker 1: because you know, that same working mom was still like

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Speaker 1: expected to cook at home. I'm sure, so going to

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Speaker 1: Sunday brunch was a way to give her a break exactly.

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Speaker 1: And it may be wonder if that's where the origin

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Speaker 1: of Mother's Day brunch came from. Oh maybe so, because

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Speaker 1: I think people who don't normally do brunch still do

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Speaker 1: brunch on Mother's Day. You know. Yeah. My brunch thing

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Speaker 1: is I still always get almost exclusively breakfast things along

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Speaker 1: with like a bloody Mary. But I would never have

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Speaker 1: understood the lunch side of brunch. It's more of a

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Speaker 1: the time that you eat it. But you know, people

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Speaker 1: do go in there and get like a shrimp cocktail

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Speaker 1: or a or a sandwich like a lunch sandwich. And

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Speaker 1: I think some people see that as the beauty of

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Speaker 1: brunch is that it's sort of that one time of

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Speaker 1: the day you can order from both sides of the menu.

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Speaker 1: But I'm I still just do my breakfast stuff. So

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Speaker 1: I saw the year after Guy Barringer um said, you know,

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Speaker 1: he introduced brunch, that somebody said, well, if you eat

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Speaker 1: it closer to lunch, you have to call it blunch.

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Speaker 1: And it didn't catch on for a very obvious reasons. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you want to go get some blunch, right, Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you were hungover, it just make you vomit on the spot. Yeah, good,

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Speaker 1: you got anything else? For now? I have nothing else.

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Speaker 1: I think we should do a breakfast part too at

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Speaker 1: some point, I agree, um. And since I agreed to

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Speaker 1: what Chuck just said, that means listener mail is unlocked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and maybe people can send in their unusual breakfast traditions

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Speaker 1: and maybe we can kind of incorporate that in. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a great idea, all right. So I thought this

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Speaker 1: email was really cool. This ties into our Mangroves episode. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is from Caleb Vicari. I can't help wonder if

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Speaker 1: you guys knew just how relevant you're episode on mangrove

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Speaker 1: trees is to the gaming community right now. The game

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Speaker 1: Minecraft just recently got a large update that added mangrove

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Speaker 1: swamps to the game, specifically featuring red mangroves. They're very

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Speaker 1: unique compared to all the other trees in the game,

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Speaker 1: and you guys have just clarified exactly why. Because of

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Speaker 1: the addition of mangrove trees, we now have also have

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Speaker 1: root blocks upon which the new trees are elevated off

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Speaker 1: the ground, just like in real life. Replanting them is

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Speaker 1: also very different from the other trees in the game. Typically,

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Speaker 1: you would need to break the leaf blocks on other trees,

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Speaker 1: each of which has a chance to drop a sapling,

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Speaker 1: which you can then plant and wait for it to

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Speaker 1: grow into a tree. The mangrove trees, however, instead have propagules.

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Speaker 1: Am I saying that right? It sounds like propagules growing

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Speaker 1: on them, which I believe are the living birth trees

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Speaker 1: you were talking about. You can take these and plant

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Speaker 1: them either on the ground or in water, which is

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Speaker 1: also unique to mangroves in the game. Point is, the

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Speaker 1: game brought a lot of interest in mangros into me

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Speaker 1: and now you guys have amplified that. So thank you

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Speaker 1: keep being awesome. And again that is from Caleb Vicari.

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Speaker 1: Great name. Thanks Caleb. Yeah totally, And that was in

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Speaker 1: World of Warcraft. You said, no, are you making a joke? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's in the Game of Thrones. Thanks a lot, Caleb.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool because I don't know that we would

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Speaker 1: have ever known that, you know, or heard about that.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for lettingraft. You told us something we

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Speaker 1: should know some stuff. Uh, if you want to be

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Speaker 1: like Caleb and tell us some stuff we should know,

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Speaker 1: we are wide open for that. It would be pretty

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Speaker 1: hypocritical if we weren't. You can send it in an

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