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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball.

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Speaker 1: Reminder that if you missed Part one of Joe Bunazar,

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Speaker 1: you should download it, you should subscribe, you should rate,

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Speaker 1: you should write a review. In Part one, Joe talked

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Speaker 1: about kind of his upbringing as a coach. He was

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Speaker 1: a manager for Bob Knight in Indiana. Then he joined

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Speaker 1: Joe right at at the University of Wyoming, and then

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Speaker 1: he became the workout guy of NBA Draft Picks and

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Speaker 1: then uh NBA players and and so that's kind of

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Speaker 1: where we left off. And now it gets to how

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Speaker 1: he formed i MG. How in terms of i MG Basketball,

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Speaker 1: where that came from, and how it's grown into this

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Speaker 1: I would guess multimillion dollar business. But he's being the

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Speaker 1: godfather of not just the off season or pre draft

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Speaker 1: workout program, but um but the basketball training facility where

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Speaker 1: guys spend their entire off seasons working out, working on

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Speaker 1: their game. We'll also talk some philosophical stuff in terms

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Speaker 1: of playing versus working out. Let's get the part two.

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Speaker 1: Would I sit down with Joe Bunazar, So how did

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Speaker 1: you perform it into a true business? Because you're working

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Speaker 1: for an agent they're sending you guys, take me through

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Speaker 1: the how you launched Impact Academy because that was the

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Speaker 1: next big step, right, well, the next step was i MG.

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Speaker 1: So that's how I've learned how to do the business.

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Speaker 1: So in I started doing that. I did it for

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Speaker 1: three years and uh ripe. In like late nine, early

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Speaker 1: two thousand, I got a call from Lee Kline wheel

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Speaker 1: Cline a five star Sun and said, Hey, the guys

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Speaker 1: that I MG are trying to start basketball, you know, voluntary.

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Speaker 1: And I said, oh, should I know voluntary? You know

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Speaker 1: tennis and lad better golf, and they want to start basketball.

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Speaker 1: And I told him you'd be perfect because you got pros.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand the camp model all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, long story short, I flew down to Braden

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Speaker 1: Tent and I MG was not i MG as it

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Speaker 1: is today. It was it was tennis and golf, soccer

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Speaker 1: and baseball only. No basketball court, no dorms, I mean

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Speaker 1: there was only those four sports tennis and golf for

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Speaker 1: So in two thousand one, I agreed to move my

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Speaker 1: operations So what I was doing, I was traveling everywhere

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Speaker 1: with guys and flying to KG. Flying remember Joe Smith

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Speaker 1: from Maryland to another guy you'll know you remember I

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Speaker 1: saw I was flying into one that was a mess. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Joe was. Joe was great and he was one of

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Speaker 1: the Joe Joe was one of the first guys I

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Speaker 1: trained and introduced me to. I was on not at

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Speaker 1: me there and I went over to couldn't find him

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Speaker 1: one of his buddies answered the door and said, as

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Speaker 1: Joe running goes, No, he's out of town. So I'm

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Speaker 1: doing here. So that was like, oh, I'm in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: and it was a little different story. But uh. I

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Speaker 1: went to MG and I was said, okay, I need

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Speaker 1: So someone said to me one time, a mentor of mine,

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Speaker 1: So look, you have a choice. You could be a

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Speaker 1: really high priced celebrity trainer or you could run a business.

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Speaker 1: But it's hard to do both. Um, and I said,

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Speaker 1: where I learned how to make a business. I mean

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Speaker 1: the you know if you look at Impact today. So

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Speaker 1: I was in IMG from from two thousand one January

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Speaker 1: So I was able to take my prose with me

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Speaker 1: different programs. So, um, in terms of the workouts, how

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Speaker 1: do you break it down? Because UM, I think that

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Speaker 1: that's the fascinating part. Right again, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: like as you plant, as we started by some map,

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Speaker 1: like team stuff is team stuff in college, it's it's

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Speaker 1: how what shots you will get within the offense, what

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Speaker 1: what drives and angles you will get within what we do.

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Speaker 1: You're focusing on these players, on Tyler on Chance to

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Speaker 1: billips On on Garnett. So what what's you like? What's

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Speaker 1: So we I mean we we have a phrase I

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Speaker 1: So everything we're gonna do off the floor, nutrition, strength, conditioning,

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Speaker 1: a combination of improving the player. And yes, it's everything

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Speaker 1: So so I'm a big footwork and balanced guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's that's my big thing. You know. I've had Tashian

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna build that from player from the ground up.

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Speaker 1: Um really, really, really not negotiable. With the footwork, It's

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Speaker 1: and when you get them back, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: better team. I don't care what you run. I don't

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what you run. We'll give them back. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: every game. But it's really a constant evaluation of what

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Speaker 1: complicate winning, right, It's not that complicates basketball, right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guys understand how they need to get it better.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at Desire Williams, there's what he

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Speaker 1: needs to do now because he's playing nineteen twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: a game. But then I also forward's okay if I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna build you into the next Durant or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: saying that, here's the other things we need to do.

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Speaker 1: But you have to balance that. So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a NonStop spinning plates where you just keep them all

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Speaker 1: him Josh Green with the Mavericks, had dinner with him yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So those are the kind of things that we work

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Speaker 1: Kristin Johnson, and myself. Like that's our squad, right, and

425
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 1: we had we always had fucking dudes. But I show

426
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: up and Vince Carter's there. I show up in sreef

427
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 1: abdur Rahim's there. I had only played against Steph like

428
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 1: once or twice a dab C D camp, Like he's there,

429
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: miss and KG is not there, but he's gonna show

430
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: up and play in the game because he was taking

431
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 1: the s A T one last time to try and

432
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Speaker 1: pass it. And KG was not really a known I

433
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 1: had never seen him play. It wasn't like now because

434
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: there was Adidas and there was Nike and one. He

435
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: grew up in South Carolina, so it wasn't like he

436
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: was on the West Coaster. Could ever and then too

437
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: like Camp, I went in. I went to a B

438
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 1: C D and for two years I never went to Nike.

439
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen him, and so I was blown away

440
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 1: by how fucking good Robert Trailer, who I wanted to

441
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 1: play with in college. Like one of the reasons I

442
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: almost went to Michigan State wasn't just Is though, it

443
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: was Trailer was visiting and I wanted to play with

444
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: Robert Trailer. And the day of the game, KG shows

445
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: up and there was like again, incredible players that are

446
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame players, and he was a different level,

447
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 1: just a different like I had never seen a guy

448
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: who was I'm gonna guess sevent tall. He was also old.

449
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 1: He was nineteen at the time, but I've never seen

450
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 1: him do that big move like that and handle the

451
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 1: ball like that. And what happened in the game you

452
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: go back and watch is I came down the fast

453
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: break from my only bucket the game. Um, and I

454
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: like scouting step On Marbury. That's why he had a

455
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 1: shitty game. Like I knew I knew. I knew that

456
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: he if he crossed, he had this big crossover Nascy

457
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: crossover left right, but he could not shoot off his

458
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: right hand like shoot up his left hand, and he

459
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot like pull up jump shots, so like

460
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was letting him shoot going

461
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: left right. So he played terribly anyway. So I'm like

462
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: the nerd who's like skit. So I didn't just want

463
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Speaker 1: to get embarrassed. So I come down on a fast

464
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: break and I had thrown it behind the back to

465
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Speaker 1: the trailer before the trailers over here, and I fake

466
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Speaker 1: him behind the back and I laid in and it's like,

467
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: oh right. So like three plays later, Kevin Garnett comes

468
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: up the floor and I'm back on defense. He's seven

469
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: bet tall and I've never seen a seven foot or

470
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: dribble up, fake up behind the back just like me,

471
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: and then go laying and then he's talking ship going

472
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Speaker 1: back down the court. I was like, so you first

473
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Speaker 1: meet Kevin Garnett? Were? So I got a after like

474
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Speaker 1: a year or two of me doing doing with Chauncey.

475
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Speaker 1: I got KG like after my first year, so it's

476
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Speaker 1: probably one year. I think I met him at his house.

477
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: I think Andy Miller and I went to his house,

478
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: and you know, that was back in the tie again.

479
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: Like you said, when we first started the recording is

480
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Speaker 1: that there weren't trainers, right, so this is the guy

481
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: who's gonna train and they're like, what does that mean?

482
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: You know? So we started talking and yeah, it was

483
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Speaker 1: at his house and in Minnesota, and it was just

484
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean, back to my comments about Coach Night being intense,

485
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: this is the same situation with Kevin. I mean, Kevin

486
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: is sweating before you even I don't even know why

487
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: he sweats. You know, he just sits there and starts

488
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: dripping and sweat just out of natural intensity. Right. So

489
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: he was We did a little bit of a meeting

490
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 1: and then he was like, yeah, let's do it. So

491
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, we go, we go to the court and

492
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: you know, he's just a different bird man. Like what

493
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: were you explained and and your story is that you

494
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: can't teach. It's very difficult to explain it. Um we

495
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: never you know, you're you're so many workouts that you've done.

496
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: This dude could not get through more than forty five

497
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: minutes our max because he went too hard. It was

498
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: like it was like, there's so like my workouts with

499
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: him was shorter because his intensity level was one speed,

500
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, which was insane. You know, you know if you.

501
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: People won't realize he never came out to warm up

502
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: early because he would get too exhausted before the games,

503
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, because he has only one speed to go at.

504
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: So Kevin's whole personality and his whole approach was like

505
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: you always wondered how long did he keep that up?

506
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: You know. You know when you first meet Kevin, you're like, Okay,

507
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a show or an act, and

508
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: you're like, holy shit, this guy's like he's insane, you know,

509
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: in a good way, right, And uh yeah, his energy, Doug,

510
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, his skill, his energy, his I mean when

511
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: when I'm throwing him the ball, I have a little

512
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: bit of you know, there's guys, you know, I've done

513
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: a zillion workouts right over all these years, and there's

514
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: guys that you got it. You come to the court

515
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh boy, I gotta get going today.

516
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: I gotta get him rolling, I gotta bring some energy.

517
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: And then there's KG or you just try to keep

518
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: up with him, you know, And it was I remember

519
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: my son, who's twenty now, would be rebounding when he

520
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: was eight or nine years old. He'd be like, come on, motherfuck,

521
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: come on, come on. Come on throwing the ball harder

522
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: than he like throw the ball back at my son,

523
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: and I was like, he taught him one time how

524
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: to how to drink out of the gatorade bottle and

525
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: then spit the like the few whatever. I don't even

526
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: know that. What are you doing? Like this? How you

527
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: doing when you when you're working? Man, you're working, you know,

528
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm blessed my son got to grow

529
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: up around that, right, both of them, and just see

530
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: the intensity, you know, so he just yeah, I used

531
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: to have like our intern slash managers come bringing water

532
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: and they would literally be shaking, like when he's shooting

533
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: a free throw. So this is the guy who shoots

534
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: a free throw and a workout and then gives dap

535
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: to the two people and from him behind him, and

536
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: there's nobody there, like, what are you doing? He's like

537
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: game game, you know. He's growing spitting at people. I said,

538
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: stop spitting into your shirt. He spits into his jersey. So,

539
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, we had a thing as we went on

540
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: his career and I'd say to him, look, I don't

541
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: really care what you say to me during the work,

542
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: as long as you do the work. He would just

543
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: cuss me. I mean he is. He would just be like,

544
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: come on, brow, what kind of beast that I was like,

545
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: come on? So, you know, obviously when I first got

546
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: started with him, um, it was very nerve wrapping and

547
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: I was. And then as we got to know each

548
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: other and we you know, we traveled together. I flew

549
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: you know, this was the back of the day. I was.

550
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: I go to Minnesota and he say, don't unpack your

551
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: bag and said, wise, we're going to Toronto. I said,

552
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: don't want to go to Toronto. So we're going to Toronto.

553
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: So why we're going to Toronto? So there's a caravan

554
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: a weekend or whatever. So I said, okay. So you know,

555
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: these he was one of the first to use private

556
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: planes and all that kind of stuff, you know, with

557
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: a big contract six million, which was the talk at

558
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: the time. So we go to the airport and we

559
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: get on the plane and I would just find a

560
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: gym for us, you know, in Toronto, and we would

561
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: just go work out. And we've been in between Chauncey

562
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: and him and Ty, we've been in some nasty gyms,

563
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: you know. Me and Chauncey used to bumb my halfport

564
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: at the Colorado Athletic Club and uh, but yeah, KG Doug,

565
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: He's like, what your description is? You just kind of like,

566
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: what is wrong with that guy? I tell young players

567
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: all the time. I said, you don't understand like people

568
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: would say, there's something wrong with this guy. You know,

569
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: we went to we went to ah, we were in

570
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: l A. It was it was all my crew. We

571
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: took a trip out there just before I was in Vegas.

572
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: So we go out to l A for like a

573
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: month or two like some of the guys do now,

574
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: and train and we went to play. We'd work out

575
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: in the mornings and we went to play pick up

576
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: at Memorial Um at fourteenth in Olympic I have a

577
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: little gym there and they'd there'd be different runs in

578
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: l A throughout the years. So it was Ti, Chauncey,

579
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: kg Al Harrington, and then remember Michael Rufflan who you

580
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: probably remember also, So yeah, Tulsa, Mike Denver, Mike from

581
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: Good went to Tulsa he um and we were playing,

582
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: and you know, they brought their team in, you know,

583
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce, and this is back in the day when

584
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: there was no off season development for NBA team, so

585
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: they just let you go in the summer, you did

586
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: we need to do, and you show back up for

587
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: training again. So everybody's at the gym, Baron Davis, the

588
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: whole crew, and KG and and those guys formed a team,

589
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: and KG said, I forgot my socks, and I said,

590
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna go buy a Summerson. It was I'm good.

591
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: So the dude played the entire time with most socks

592
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: and they didn't lose a game. The whole time. He

593
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: was talking trash on one shots, throwing the ball here,

594
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: and at the end of it, I'm not kidding, there

595
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: was blood coming through his sneaker and I was like,

596
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: what is wrong with this guy? He didn't care. He's

597
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: like he's just dominating the floor. So you know, when

598
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: you get to train a guy like that and learn

599
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: and then you get guys. I had a guy and

600
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: I gotta say his name. I had a guy in

601
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: this summer, young kid who was supposed to be one

602
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: of the top kids in the country, and he's a

603
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: big kid, and he was working out and after about

604
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: ten minutes, I was like, man, his speed is so bad.

605
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: It was one of those days where I was like,

606
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: do I really even need to mess with this kid? Today,

607
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just get through the workout. So then it

608
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: went on. I was like, okay, listen, I'm looking at you.

609
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: I trained Kevin Garnett for twenty years and he his

610
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: energy that you're you're ruining the whole point of training.

611
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. I was like, I can't

612
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: do it anymore. If Kevin Garnett can give me that

613
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: kind of energy and you can't, I can't do it anymore.

614
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: So actually the kid actually picked up his intensity. But yeah,

615
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Kevin set the standard. UM. But really Chauncey too, Like

616
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: Chauncey's work ethic was a quiet you know, like his personality,

617
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: it was more of a quiet intensity. KG was like

618
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: a madman intensity. Um Kyle Lowry, quiet intensity bulldog. You know,

619
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: if I have an intern like remember and you know,

620
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: you know Torrian Green who worked for me the summer,

621
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: it is not with the bulls um you know Torreon

622
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: with guard Kyle all summer and if if Torrean scored

623
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: or I mean, would just lower his shoulder in like cow.

624
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: You don't need to knock the ship out of Torrean Green.

625
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: But that's just how they are, you know what I mean.

626
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: And you've been around all those guys. You played that way,

627
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, even coming where you are, it's just a

628
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: different deal. But Kevin was the so those guys. And

629
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: then the other guy that Chauncey brought with me who

630
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: never trained with anyone else's whole career, who was a

631
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: dear friend and had an awesome career of Shawn Prince,

632
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: who you know, you know from southern California to is um.

633
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: So those five it was al Tie, Chauncey, Kevin, and

634
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Tashawn we called those So Tommy was Tommy Prince was

635
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: I think it was a year. It was a year,

636
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: and my my junior and senior year we lost to

637
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: Domingus uh in the semis one year in the finals.

638
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Um my, my, My, My senior year of course was

639
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: just a was just a pup then, but everybody knew

640
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: who he was going to be. Um. Have you ever

641
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: had a guy who you turned down because you're like

642
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: and then he circled back around to you. Um? Well,

643
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: I try try not to turn anyone down because I

644
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: believe in everyone, you know, I believe everyone has can

645
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: turn it around. H that's a good question. Guys that

646
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: have come back, Um, I mean I will tell you

647
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: that I refused to work Christian what out for pro

648
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: Day because his his I told his agent at the time,

649
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not I'm not doing it because it's

650
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: just a bad situation for everyone. So Christian, we kind

651
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: of kicked Christian out a little bit and then he

652
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of grew up and came back to us. Um,

653
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: that's more more of a regid So. So was it

654
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: like after the China thing? Was it like? Was was

655
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: he had in hand? I gotta I gotta figure this out?

656
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: Was it before that? Like? How did it? How did

657
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: this evolution come to be? Yeah? So he bounced around

658
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: so many times. I mean we would get calls back

659
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: from teams like, look, he's incredibly talented, just the laziest guy.

660
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean like they would literally it was. There was

661
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: no like Grant Okay, so that team I called his year,

662
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: I believe I called I might have been that year, uh,

663
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: the Anthony Bennett year. I know I called thirteen of

664
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: their games when because I was working for CBS the time,

665
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I did CBS and CBS Courts Network and we had

666
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: the Mountain West and I'll never forget that. I think

667
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: it was Dave's last year. Next to last year, and

668
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: Dave Rice was the nicest guy, and he's a good,

669
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: very good basketball coach. But there was just so many

670
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: guys in people's ears at UNLB at the time. Right.

671
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I remember I was at a practice and I was

672
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: at a shoot around or something. I was just sitting

673
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: up high and I was just right down some notes,

674
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: watching some guys, and I started to realize that it

675
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: was like maybe the seventh game that year I've done.

676
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if I've been to

677
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: one where everybody's been here, right, And so the the

678
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: strength coach came over and I was like, hey, where's so,

679
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and so he goes, shit, I don't know what do

680
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: you mean? He goes, he said he said that. He said,

681
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: we've never had a meeting or practice where every person

682
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: has been on time or and we and we haven't

683
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: had I was like, well, that's funny because I was

684
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: just I was looking at my like little personal notes,

685
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: and I realized that I hadn't been to a practice

686
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: a short shoot around where everybody was there. And he's like, yeah,

687
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: we've we've never had everybody yet and never had any

688
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: anybody everybody on time at one one thing, and we

689
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: always have somebody missing, And I thought that was whereas

690
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: like I missed in my lifetime to practices both my

691
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: senior year in college and I was definitely ill, but

692
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I showed up to practice this and coach sent me home.

693
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: And then the next day and I he sent me

694
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: to team doctor, and the next day I showed up

695
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm good to go, coach, Because

696
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're sick, though you can get

697
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: everybody else sick, you only feel better when you're hooping

698
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: right like you're but sitting in your room like your

699
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: body aching, like go out and get everything going. It

700
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: opens you up and you can actually breathe, you know,

701
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: and I think you recover. I think you recover quicker

702
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: that way too. But that was the only And I

703
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: was like, so part of it is, you know, it's

704
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: it's just a weird thing with recruiting, Like in order

705
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: to get some of these some of these kids, they felt,

706
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: coaches feel like you have to acquiesced to them, and

707
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: then once you acquiesced to them to get them, you

708
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: acquiesced to them to keep them. But you're actually doing

709
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: them a disservice because you're not giving them you're not

710
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: giving them the tools that they're gonna need for their career,

711
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: no question. I mean, it's it's a it's a it's

712
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: changed the tongue. I can tell you back to what

713
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about with coach tonight. I think you asked

714
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: me if he could exist today? By by other answer

715
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: to that would be I think there's a lot of

716
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: kids that would benefit from coach Knight, no question, you know,

717
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: And and it's, uh, it's just a different could he exist,

718
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: could he not exist when you get in trouble whatever,

719
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: that's a different question. But man, they could really use it.

720
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: And it's something that what you tell me about the

721
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: UNLV thing is not surprising. We've got so many of

722
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: their guys. Um And again, you know you can tell,

723
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, when a guy shows up for the draft

724
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: or when you get them in college. I mean, it's

725
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: just not it's not hard to figure out if they're

726
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: going to be successful and successful based on their habits,

727
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, It's it's just really about how they conduct themselves,

728
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: how they carry themselves. Do they show up on time?

729
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, kids are late or guys are late, whatever things.

730
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: People things come up. But for the most part, the

731
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: ones that are going to be good have the work

732
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: ethic in place, they have the discipline in place. So

733
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: we try to instill that in them because part of

734
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: our training is teaching them how to be pros. Right,

735
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: So we'll tell a We'll tell a ting tenth grader,

736
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: you can still conduct yourself like a pro. You gotta

737
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: go to school and the whole thing. But like, are

738
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: you eating well in the morning, Like you get up

739
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, and do you say I'm gonna eat

740
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: breakfast because I have a game tonight. What should I

741
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: eat to have the most energy? Or do you just

742
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: see breakfast? So you know, there's choices they can make,

743
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: even as tenth graders or twelve year old or fourteen

744
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: year old that maybe their parents have to help with.

745
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: But that's what being a prose all about. So what

746
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: I've really learned in my years five now just training guys,

747
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: is there are reason pros are pros and and the

748
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: real pros. Yes, they're extremely talented, right, we know that

749
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: you you've you've you've met guys that are just freak

750
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: So you're like, how does that guy get away with

751
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: each McDonald's be You know, you're just freaking good, right,

752
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: and that's just part of understanding basketball. But it's a

753
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: certain point it does catch up with them and their

754
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: potential is reached. So but for the most part, the

755
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: pro part of it is something that's very common too,

756
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why you ask me if there's

757
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: guys we kicked out. It's funny because people say, to

758
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: your guys, work hardist So well, really, if you think

759
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: about why would they pay us to come here and

760
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: not work hard, they would just not work hard. You know,

761
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: they're not gonna pay us and then our card. So

762
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: we're not We're not. We're voluntary, you know. I mean

763
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: people are seeking us out to say, hey, look I

764
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: want to have a good summer. I need to change

765
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: my career around. You know, you talk about KG. I

766
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: remember being in his house in Minnesota, taping up on

767
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: his cabinets his nutrition plan because the dude was eating

768
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: double cheese burgers at night and still scoring twenty five

769
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: and getting fifteen rebounds. But when he made the decision, look,

770
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: I really want to do this, he became the m

771
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: v P. Not that he wouldn't have been without it,

772
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: but it did help. That was the year he took

773
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: the turn turn to like really blowing up what he

774
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: was doing. Kyle Lowry, if you were look back at photos,

775
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe six seven years ago he

776
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: became a six seven time All Star. Look at his body,

777
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, look look at his body before, look at

778
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: his body after. You don't need to be a nutritionist

779
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: sort of physical person to understand, Wow, he did something different,

780
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: you know. So it's really that commitment to the lifestyle,

781
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: the community. That's what I love about what I do

782
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: is when you find guys that do that. And look

783
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: at Al Harrington today, who you know, people say, without

784
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: me would have been three pounds. He's hitting almost to

785
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: eighty now, so we got to get out trimmed up.

786
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: But he's he's got a hundred million dollar plus cannabis company.

787
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys learn how to work and it translates,

788
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: you know. You know, that was That's the big Coach

789
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: Knight thing. You know, his big thing was not so

790
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: much where my players are today in basketball, but where

791
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: are they in life? You know. And that's something that

792
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: I love about what I do, because you do you

793
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: see Kyle, you know, Chauncey as A as a when

794
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: he was getting traded all those times he was kind

795
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: of a young kid and then you just see the

796
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: maturity come. And I've really never seen a guy achieved

797
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: stardom or achieved that love of his career without the

798
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: personal side coming with it. So that's really rewarding for me.

799
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: And it's still coaching, you know what I mean? What

800
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: what do people coach for the coach because they love

801
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: to see the growth of the kids at the thrill

802
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: of the competition, and that's where I get mine out of.

803
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, the kids have changed that they could they

804
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: could all use a little about a month with coach

805
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Night make a lot of these kids. Could you need

806
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: to spend a month with coach Knight learn how to

807
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: this ship? Really? Because life ain't easy, man, I don't

808
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: know coach sentence. The whole day was, you know, and

809
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: we did two days in season and we you know,

810
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: you do basically individual workout from seven to eight and

811
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: then you practice in the afternoon, and he would he

812
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: would you be practicing and you know, go cover up

813
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: that clock so nobody knew you know too or whatever,

814
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: but like yo, coach coach cover up that clocks. Instead

815
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: of ending practice, he would just cut up the clocks

816
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: and nobody knew what time it was, but he used

817
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: to He used to say, like, you think this is hard,

818
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: this is gonna this is this better be the hardest

819
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: thing you're ever gonna do in your life. You can

820
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: you can get through my practice. And we didn't really

821
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: we didn't really run wind sprints. It was just we

822
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: just freaking out after it. Every drill was at a

823
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: level of intensity every you know, three on oh four

824
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: and oh five on oh uh, you know again, crisp

825
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: cutting and passing an execution. And he would just tell

826
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: you like, if you can get through that, life's gonna

827
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: be easy, right because nothing will be this hard. Um,

828
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: So you decide, I'm gonna go do my own things.

829
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: Two thousand and six. How did you pick Vegas? It's

830
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: probably the grandfather right, because Gird used to do of

831
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: workouts all summer. God fathers the role. Yeah, I'm like,

832
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the stepson of the guys. Not fraid you

833
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: don't be afraid of your Michael. Michael gurg Is the

834
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: one who really first was a player's first guy. That

835
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: was GIRs. That's where got the relationships and it it

836
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: taught a lot of us that you know, guys on

837
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: guys on the NBA team knew that or in a

838
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: college team, that that gurg was going to have their back,

839
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: which was rare because at the end of the day

840
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: they usually side with the franchise or the team or whatever.

841
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: You know they're coaching, but you know they worked for

842
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: the coach. But so I how we picked Vegas was

843
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: very funny. We were gonna go l A or Vegas.

844
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: And I said to Tyler, I said to my guy, said,

845
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: where do you guys want to go? And he said Vegas.

846
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: I said, Vegas by Vegas. He goes, I think it's like,

847
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, new new people every weekend. And I said,

848
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: is that going to be our tagline on our business?

849
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: You know, come to Vegas, new people every weekend? And

850
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: he just said l A is to we. We we

851
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: had trained down l A. We you know, you're from

852
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: southern California. I mean, you know, just getting from one

853
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: place to the next. You know, you want to play

854
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: at u C. L A one day, then the facility

855
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: is here. Plus the cost of the opening in l

856
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: a Is obviously was obviously at that point different than Vegas.

857
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: So we just picked Vegas. And I thought from the

858
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: i MG concept in terms of international teams kids for

859
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: our summer camps that we have all summer is just

860
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: a perfect location. So we found a spot, uh, and

861
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: we just we just did it. I just went ahead

862
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: and did it. The guys that I am g were awesome,

863
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: UM at the time, you know, let me do it.

864
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: And there wasn't any issue there, which was rare, you know,

865
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: but but very cool. Um. And I just did it.

866
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: I just said, we're doing Vegas. And you know Mark

867
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: for Steak and right from Athletes Performance, which is now

868
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: a sociate. Mark and I opened Vegas together. So he

869
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: we opened a facility together. He did this. UM, they

870
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: did strength and conditioning stuff for different sports and then

871
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: we obviously ran the basketball. But we marks an old

872
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: im D guy too, so I've known him for a

873
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: long time. And then they were with us for two

874
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: years and then moved out and then we we we

875
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: were actually at UM at the home depots the StubHub Center.

876
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Now we were there with them for six or seven

877
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: years when I first moved out this way, So we

878
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: we did Vegas was our main spot, and then we

879
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: did some stuff in l A. So so you're putting

880
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: together facility, did you have a I want how many courts?

881
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: Like how how did you decide facility size and how

882
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: you're like you said, because of who you are, but

883
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: also because of coming up to the night system. You're

884
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: a detailed orange guy. What did what did you want?

885
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: What did you like? These are the must have in

886
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: the facility. It was very It was a whole boutique thing.

887
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: We have like a concert. We wanted to be high

888
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: quality well and I only had one court and one

889
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: NBA floor. Um, I had a really really great weight room.

890
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: We have a lounge for the guys six coops or

891
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: two to hoops two So so our our original business

892
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: model was all boutique. So you know, you know where

893
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: the Tarkanian Center is in Vegas, right, You probably there

894
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: with your shan or whatever. So we took over half

895
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: of that, so I had to deal with Danny. We

896
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: took over half of the court and I laid an

897
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: NBA floor on that side, and then we turned the

898
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: rest of the court into our weight room. So it

899
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: was like a it was like a private training facility,

900
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: is what we what we So when I first came

901
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: out here, I wasn't so sure I was going to

902
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: replicate all the I MG business revenue models because we

903
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: had so many pros. I mean, it was like I

904
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: could literally do it all summer and then just travel

905
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: with some of them during the year and have run

906
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: a really good business. But what happened is we decided

907
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: why would we not do the kids part because it's

908
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: obviously you know, really it's seventy our business revenue model now,

909
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: which I'm glad we did that. So we have we

910
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: have a prep school and everything now just like I am,

911
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: do you we have post grads and all that stuff. Um.

912
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: But we had one court. It was really nice um

913
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: and again we we we brought in furniture. Every day,

914
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: we'd have catered food, so the guys would Originally they

915
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: train in the morning, they'd lift, they'd eat lunch, we

916
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: had lunch catered in and then they play in the

917
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: afternoons and they never leave the buildings, so we had

918
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: card rooms set up for them upstairs. They would play

919
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: cards and just hang out. And then it kind of

920
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: translated into like, you know what, why don't we just

921
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: do it all and they get out of here or

922
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: hang out after So then we we skipped the lunch things.

923
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: So it kind of grew um and we didn't even

924
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: run youth camps in Vegas. So I picked my second year,

925
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: second or third year. So it was just all pros

926
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: when we first got out here. That was the model

927
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: to start. Um. Now, the guys loved Vegas. They loved it,

928
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: they loved I had guys I never. I had guys

929
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: that I never. We had like forty pros. Like it

930
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: was like, you, guys, what's amazing about it? So like so, um,

931
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: what's amazing about Vegas is if again, if you grew

932
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: up in may era, that was where all the big

933
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: tournaments were, the big summer tournaments. Big. I grew up

934
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: every Easter there was a May West I think was

935
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: May West May West Easter Tournament. Um. Then there was

936
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: the John Farrell Nike National Championship in the North and

937
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: the South gym. Right, And I remember Mark Wade was

938
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: point guarded at un l V when they went to

939
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the final four when the Indiana won national championship. Right,

940
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: it was U and l V and Freddie Banks he

941
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: was the point guard. And um, I think I was

942
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: either playing. I think it was I was in college.

943
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: But the Las Vegas Athletic Club used to have the

944
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: best runs in town. Right, So I like I remember

945
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: and now because of what really the you what you did. Now,

946
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: there's facilities everywhere, right, Like everybody's getting like the whole

947
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: thing is get a facility and get a program. And

948
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: everybody's got some sort of hodgepodge kind of plan of

949
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: of of what what works and and copying kind of

950
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: your model. So here's the question you incorporated playing with it? Uh?

951
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: I know Jordan Lawley has got a facility close to me.

952
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Those guys played, Crusso works out. He played, But some

953
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: guys they don't. It feels like they don't play as much.

954
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: It's now you in a gym with a trainer, or

955
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: you with a couple of different guys or whatever. Um,

956
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: have we evolved too much where there's too much individual

957
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: like what's your balance of playing in the off season

958
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: or playing for kids as much as working in your game.

959
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I think the trend to not playing really sucks. Yeah,

960
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I I hate it. I think that it's, uh, you

961
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: gotta work on your game, you gotta train. And I'm

962
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: a trainer, right, so obviously I would promote that you

963
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: gotta do your skill, you gotta play. You know. It

964
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. Um, I understand, you know with you

965
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: got six, seven, ten people on every NBA staff talking

966
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: about load management and you know, too much stuff on

967
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: the legs. But if you would have asked Chauncey Billups

968
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: or Kevin Garnett are you playing today? They would look

969
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: at you and say, why would you ask Why would

970
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: you ask me that question? Why would I not be

971
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: playing today? You know? So we played five days a week. Um,

972
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: intense we had, you know, as I grew, we had

973
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: two courts going. As I expanded my facility and got

974
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: the other courts, we had two courts going, and it

975
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: was a big thing every day. I would rather this

976
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: may sound crazy, but I would rather have them skipped

977
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: their workout and played that skipped their playing and workout. Um,

978
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: but you gotta do your work, you know, So I

979
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: would I think that the trend to not playing and

980
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: is not good. I think that, you know, I have

981
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: a son who's who's a junior. He's he's actually a

982
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: manager at Notre Dame. So he's with Gray here and

983
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: the whole things. So he was he was a four year.

984
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: He went to Shamanad and then Notre Dame High School

985
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: in the valley, and he's a four year of varsity

986
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: player and a really good young player, but trained too

987
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: much and didn't play enough in the offseason. And I

988
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: don't mean he played on the circuits and all that

989
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but I wish you just would have

990
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: gone and played pick up. And you know, I blame myself,

991
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: of course, but you know, he always wanted to get

992
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: shots up. He always wanted to do you know, do this,

993
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: do that, And at the end of the day, the

994
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: guys who were just hooping passed him up. You know,

995
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: he's only six ft tall, so there's physical limitations are

996
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: obviously why he's not I'm not claiming that to be

997
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: the reason he's not playing at Notre Dame, but he

998
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I just think kids aren't playing the right way enough now,

999
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing with five games a day, and you

1000
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen to their knees. And I think

1001
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: that that there has to be a combination. So from

1002
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: a youth perspective, it might be a little too much playing,

1003
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: like overkilled by parents taking their kid to every tournament.

1004
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: You know, you don't need to play in every game.

1005
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: You don't need to play in every tournament. We always

1006
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: what's this weekend, what's this weekend? You know, you know,

1007
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: you have kids, you have teams. Most of it is

1008
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: the youth program directors making a living, right, so you

1009
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: gotta playing tournaments to to make money and travel your

1010
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: teams around. But from a pro perspective, I think there's

1011
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: not enough playing and I think the guys are like

1012
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to play today. You know, when someone

1013
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: says nice, I never I don't understand what that means. Like,

1014
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: what do you mean? You know, wh why would you

1015
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: not play today? The best? What is what is better than?

1016
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: What is better than playing basketball? But now like that,

1017
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: when you get better competing and you get better and

1018
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: you learn, you know, some days you're bad, but you learned,

1019
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: how can I win? Can we find a way to

1020
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: win this game when I'm not good? You know? And

1021
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: then can I find a way? You know? Playing with

1022
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: older guys. I used to play at Racquetball World in

1023
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: Santa Anna. My dad. I grew up playing Mile Square

1024
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Park and found ball that was outdoors and then indoors.

1025
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: My dad played racquetball and then eventually played tennis and

1026
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: um rackeball worlds play sideways and I was like twelve

1027
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, and I would get in and I

1028
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: would hoop. Just just go and you know, find a

1029
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: way to get in the game and then just hoop

1030
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: all day. So what I do with my son sal

1031
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: Hill hoop um at the j c C. And he'll

1032
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: play with his buddies and he plays like in middle school.

1033
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: And what I do is I play him on my

1034
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: twelves and then on my thirteens, and so his role

1035
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: is very different based upon the team because he's small,

1036
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: lake mature, And I'm with you, like part of it

1037
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: is I just want to play. And the best I

1038
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 1: can do is because there's not a lot of kids

1039
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: pick up ball and he's too little to get with adults, right,

1040
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: is just have him play a bunch, you know, like

1041
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: he played yesterday. He played three and he wanted to

1042
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: sit the last one because he had a tackle football game.

1043
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: And he taught me a little bit of rest or whatever.

1044
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: So I'm a proponent of playing as well. But it

1045
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: is you have to find a balance. But there the

1046
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: kids who aren't workout kids and they just you know,

1047
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, workout. They're great and they're amazing and they

1048
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: have all but then in a game, the decision things,

1049
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: the things that come their way not so much and

1050
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: the whole competitiveness of it. And if you're if you're

1051
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: really truly working on your game and drill setting, how

1052
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: do you not want to translate that into a game? Right, So,

1053
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: if you're if we're talking footwork, if we're talking ball handling,

1054
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a certain point where it's not a

1055
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: drill anymore. You know. We can make drills live where

1056
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: we're defending and we're making reads, but it's still a drill,

1057
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, yeah, I just I just

1058
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: really it's distribed me great. I had a rule in

1059
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: my gym last year that any of my staff asked

1060
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: anyone if they were playing or not, they were fired

1061
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: because they're just playing. You're playing? Are you playing today?

1062
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: You know? Because we do our training in the morning

1063
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: and then we usually play about twelve thirty one o'clock,

1064
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: So we have like an eight o'clock group, nine o'clock group,

1065
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: ten o'clock group, eleven o'clock group, and then they'll lift

1066
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and they'll play and they'll workout, you know, so in

1067
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: the morning everyone's pretty much done with their workouts. We

1068
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: bring guys back into the evening just to shoot. But

1069
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: we play every day at twelve thirty and they would

1070
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: walk around, say you playing today? Plays to stop asking

1071
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: people if they're playing. You know, it's like it's like

1072
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: asking a little kid, does your head hurt. They're gonna say, yeah,

1073
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: my head hurts. You know, you don't ask them that

1074
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So we're playing at we're playing at

1075
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: twelve thirty. Yeah, and if you don't, and I just

1076
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: look at guys are like, what I don't understand? I

1077
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: do tell them now. I mean, look, I'm gonna stage

1078
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: of my career where I don't I mean I have

1079
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of credibility. I'm like, I don't even

1080
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: get it, Like I don't even understand. Any Other thing

1081
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: is the guys that are in the training room all

1082
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: the time, which you know you know this from kids too.

1083
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: It's like I don't ever remember Chauncey sitting in the

1084
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: train I need a stretch, I need this, I need that,

1085
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: and they just you gotta warm up and do your stretching.

1086
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: But you don't need a forty five minutes wretch after

1087
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: every You know, my trainers in my physical therapists are

1088
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: like working with guys more today than they ever worked.

1089
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: We didn't even we had like you know, you would

1090
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: come see the PT if if something was wrong, you

1091
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: don't go get daily treatment. I'm not. I'm not, you know,

1092
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: discrediting taking care of your body because of course, but

1093
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: there's like we're getting a little ridiculous on man, just

1094
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: go clear. I mean the best players I've ever had

1095
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: were never in the training room. It's like, I mean

1096
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: only if they you know, maybe they rolled an ankle,

1097
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: they need to get taped or something. But yeah, it's

1098
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: it's gotten to a point where the science behind it

1099
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: and the whole workout and you look, i mean every

1100
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: trainer is trying to sell something, right, So if you're

1101
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: a trainer, you want kids to train and not play,

1102
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, and if you're you know, it's it's like

1103
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: the way to this this this this is a question. Okay.

1104
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: And you talked about uh kg's level of speed and

1105
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: intensity and how Tyler and Chauncey different. Okay, But I've

1106
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: often thought when guys go like, yeah, he's in the

1107
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: gym all day, like, well, then you're not getting ship

1108
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: done right right right, I don't know, Well it's in

1109
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: the gym for four hours like DoD there's then you

1110
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: weren't working hard because your body can't work for four

1111
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: does make any sense? That doesn't make any sense. So

1112
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: is there a proper amount? Is there a proper use

1113
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: to And you know, as much as we had some

1114
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: level of a d D, it's obviously worse now with

1115
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: how everything is thrown at you. So there's a level

1116
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: to concentration that that has to be limited. Is there

1117
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: a a general time limit you like, um, for working

1118
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: with a guy and for how long something should be

1119
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: in a gym? Yeah, so, I mean we have it.

1120
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: We have a really coordinated out we like I mean,

1121
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: I like anywhere from six ninety minutes in the morning

1122
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: on the floor, um. And those groups are usually like

1123
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: either by yourself or with two people. Sometimes will be

1124
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: two man games. Sometimes we'll do you know, we just

1125
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: mix it up in the morning. But we have a

1126
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: general schedule, Doug. Where we go Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday

1127
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: are pretty much longer days. Wednesdays and Saturdays are are

1128
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: short order for recovery. So we're all we're constantly regenerating

1129
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: the body. And then so if you go, let's say

1130
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: sixty minutes in the morning, seventy five minutes on the floor,

1131
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: get your lift in. We're cool with them coming back

1132
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: to shoot in the evening. And when we when I

1133
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: say shoot, it's not like jerking around. It's it's intense shooting.

1134
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: But I'm talking thirty forty minutes of maybe like slide,

1135
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: corner shape ups, things like that. How many is there

1136
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: a number that you believe guys should get shots up

1137
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: on a given day. We've never I don't even I

1138
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I just think that it's a it's

1139
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: a really like if you're if you're in the gym

1140
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: and you're you just can't make it and your legs

1141
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: are dead, it's time to go home, you know. So

1142
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm a triathlete, right, so trained for so many iron

1143
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: Man races, Like there's days where my legs just don't

1144
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: have it and the best thing I've done to get

1145
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: faster and say, you know what today is not today,

1146
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, not trying to push through it. So I

1147
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: kind of take that same approach to the guys. If

1148
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: we're back in the afternoon and let's say we want

1149
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: to get up three D shots or whatever, you know,

1150
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: we go whatever ten makes seven spots and then moving

1151
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: around and sliding, corner, shaping up, trailing, just the different

1152
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: actions and I'm in the middle of it, and they're

1153
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: just horse like, like terrible, I can't make a shot.

1154
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: We just say, look, let's get some free throws. We'll

1155
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: get back tomorrow because we're looking at the total body

1156
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: of work. So I've never done that. Let's get a thousand,

1157
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: people say, I got a thousand, says a lot of shots.

1158
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: People say that all the time, like your four hours

1159
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: in the gamil, like a right before you're eating eating

1160
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: on the sideline, maybe for four hours, but so I

1161
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: think that the time, we've always kept it to a

1162
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: time like like we're gonna go. So in order to

1163
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: motivate guys, I'll say, hey, you're coming back today, We're

1164
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: going thirty minutes hard shooting. We're gonna shoot the ball

1165
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: thirty minutes hard. And it's just a different mental approach

1166
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: for them to be able to say I can do

1167
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, you know, versus we're gonna get up four

1168
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: hundred shots or whatever or x amount of makes Like

1169
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: Chris porzingis when when he first came over before his

1170
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: rookie years, so he still had a year left in Spain.

1171
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: You know his brother Johannes, who's his agent now, who's

1172
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: like his childhood trainer. I mean, Chris is like another

1173
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: like KG like machine, much more of a quiet person,

1174
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: but just like a machine in the work out. And

1175
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: he would bring him back at night and do like

1176
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: fifty makes from tent spots. I was like, holy sh

1177
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: and you know you're a shooter when you get to

1178
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: like the halfway and you're not making them, You're not

1179
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: making like you're just too tired, you know what I mean,

1180
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: Like it's not like you're gonna get a second win.

1181
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: And so I was like, dude, we need to go home.

1182
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is not you have him out there

1183
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: for two hours, like you know, like the old you

1184
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: gotta make them, you know, there's Rocky Belboa stuff out there.

1185
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: And it was like, dude, he's not going to make

1186
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: the shots. He's exhausted. So I think we stick to that,

1187
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, sixty ninety minutes in the morning lift and

1188
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: then so if they play that day at twelve thirty,

1189
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: then we usually either let them shoot right after they

1190
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: can get spots up after or they're done to the day.

1191
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: So the sixty remember those workouts in the morning, we're

1192
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: not jerking around. Those are hard workouts. So I don't mind.

1193
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: If someone says they let me get fifteen ments the

1194
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: shots up, that's not to me, that's not a load.

1195
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: I like that shooting while you're tired, focusing on good habits,

1196
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: as long as it's not you know, anytime we do

1197
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: a workout or shooting session, it's you know, a rebound

1198
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: or a passer or two balls. It's not like, you know,

1199
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: get the gun out and you know, screw not that

1200
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: the gun is bad or that. Actually, in my case,

1201
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: the doctor dish which we use, but just guys, well, yeah,

1202
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: so this is so. So I had a discussion. I'm um,

1203
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: I had a discussion with somebody about the doctor Dish

1204
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: for kids, and I said, look, I and I believe

1205
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: in it, and I don't end like well as the

1206
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: net too high, like no, because if you're shooting lower

1207
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: than the net, you're not shooting with the proper trajectory.

1208
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: Obviously not for layups. Um, but like the hardest thing

1209
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: when you're a kid is getting somebody to feed to

1210
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: the basketball right for sure? I mean is I don't

1211
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: want to go and chase the ball down, and if

1212
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: you have, don't if you're out there by yourself, you know,

1213
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: like Jimmy chit would is shooting and then the things

1214
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: found and then he was he was he was on

1215
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: dirt though, so it didn't bounce for he was under also,

1216
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: but you know he also made it all the time

1217
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: in the movie. Um, I'm not wrong thinking like that

1218
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: device is unbelievable in terms of the ability to get

1219
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: repetition and that there's a lot of things that you

1220
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: can do in terms of shooting, but the most important

1221
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: thing is just the actual repetition of it. Yeah. Absolutely.

1222
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean people people say we come watch our workouts

1223
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: and we'll shoot with the guy for forty five minutes,

1224
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, uh, you know, as that's it,

1225
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Thissh is great. I mean, I

1226
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: mean we were we work with them, so we're able

1227
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: to put programming and they're the way they improve the

1228
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: technology where you like, even as a dad, you could

1229
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: set up the workout for your son and just say okay,

1230
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: we'll know you're gonna do ten shots at each fin

1231
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: and we'll move with it. So Yeah, the net is

1232
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: not once you get used to the visual, it's fine.

1233
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: It's it's not even, but it's more the repetition of

1234
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: of the of the movement patterns of your shooting. So

1235
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'll watch kids shooting by themselves and

1236
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: I want to go tell them, look, just just don't

1237
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: even do that because you're wasting your time. It's sad

1238
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: at the ball bounces and they they're trying, you know,

1239
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: but maybe layups. But yeah, I think I think those

1240
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: that doctor dish is a great way for young kids

1241
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: to get even for our guys if there's no we

1242
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: we luckily have people in the gym all the time.

1243
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, it's it's really good. I don't think

1244
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: the nets and issue at all. What about thumbing the ball? Um,

1245
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I've watched I've watched Ray Allen and

1246
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: he gets his little thumbing um, but staff doesn't play,

1247
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: doesn't you're working with a young player. How how vigilant

1248
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: are you on getting the thumb out? I think everyone

1249
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: shoots it differently, so I'm not as vigil I'm looking

1250
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: at the spin on the ball, the rotation, if the

1251
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: ball is going in. So I give you a very

1252
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: personal story on that. My son is right handed everything

1253
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: through a football baseball, shoots the ball left handed, shoots

1254
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: the ball left. But when he was so as a

1255
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: seventh and eighth grader. He was one of the best

1256
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: shooters in the valley and like really started his freshman

1257
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: year at Shamanad High School playing in the c I

1258
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: F final as a freshman starter as a freshman, and

1259
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: his right thumb was on the ball. So I decided

1260
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: we were going to get his right thumb off the ball.

1261
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a really long story short. Was a

1262
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Speaker 1: terrific high school player, was couldn't make a shot by

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00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: the time he's a senior. Screwed him up. He claims,

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00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: I didn't screw him up, but I think you leave

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: it be if it's balls going in, and I mean

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: I think there are you know. I mean, you can

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: see a kid shot said, oh, we need to work

1268
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: on that, you know, if it's going sideways or back.

1269
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: But if it's consistent the same way every time and

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00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: it's going in, I think you got to give that

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00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: some merit and and let it roll a little bit.

1272
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, I've just seen guys shoot the ball. But

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00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: if the thumb is getting in the way and the

1274
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: ball is going sideways and all that kind of stuff,

1275
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: then I think that that's that's when you have to

1276
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: step in. But it's um, it's I think that there's

1277
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: just different releases on the Ball's interesting, how how the

1278
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: shot I mean, look like you said Curry, I mean

1279
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: it's a textbook right, but there's just other guys that

1280
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: have made it go um like you said, Ray Allen.

1281
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: And there's a little slip right of the of the

1282
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: of that left. Yet that same every time. But there's

1283
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: just every time a little bit of thumb. That Reggie

1284
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: Miller shot with two hands, like literally with two hands,

1285
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: two hands, Reggie's Reggie's followed, which I used to work

1286
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: with Reggie a lot of Pepper nine because Al was

1287
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: like this young guy Harrington, So he used to come

1288
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: outspense and he crossed his follow through. His hands would

1289
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: cross and I was like, what the hell is that

1290
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: sucker winning the basket? Boy, this is amazing. I mean

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: it's amazing, right, Like look at kg. Shot was behind

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00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: his head. I mean like he like he put the

1293
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: thing and it was great because that was it was

1294
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: as close to Oscar Robertson's as it was. That's how

1295
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: my dad described the Big Oh's shot was it was

1296
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: behind his head so you couldn't block it right right now,

1297
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: And I mean you think of KG, now he would

1298
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: be the best center in the NBA. Oh my gosh, right,

1299
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: because now he would be shooting more threes. But he

1300
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: was ability to score in the post, defend the rim,

1301
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: guarding the perimeter, and shooting the perimeter like that. I

1302
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: think I'm not sure how Tim duncan plays in this NBA.

1303
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how applied. He was very

1304
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: good shotblocker, rebounded, That wouldn't change. I think he could

1305
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: probably on you know, sinc coverage, defend the ball, scream well,

1306
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: but so much of what he did was off the block,

1307
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, the fundamental bank shots whatever. I don't know

1308
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: what that looks like. KG, on the other hand, I

1309
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: actually think is even better in this Arab basketball than

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: he was in his Arab basketball, which is a Hall

1311
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: of Fame and m v P. But I think like

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01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: you're talking like freaky freaky in terms of his how

1313
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: much he impacts the game the way it's played now. Yeah,

1314
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean KG is the original guy who could switch

1315
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: to anyone, right, I mean he could, Yeah, he switched five.

1316
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: He's he's a coach's dream right now, correctly, he could

1317
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: just they're not they're not you know, hard hedging ball

1318
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: screens right now, they just switching and KG staying in

1319
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: front of whoever. So yeah, he's he was, he was

1320
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: that way for sure. Okay, So what is what's give

1321
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: me the next? Okay, because you've been ahead of all

1322
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: this stuff, right, nutrition, you've been ahead of performance, You've

1323
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: been ahead of your facility. There's been other facilities, but

1324
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: you've kind of been ahead of it, right. The IMG thing,

1325
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: you guys started, the prep school thing like the next

1326
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: you guys were the next wave of prep school. Now

1327
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: everybody's copying it, right, Sure, what's next? I mean I'm

1328
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time now kind of I would say,

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01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't say, uh, installing our software. I believe that

1330
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: the training if we can, so we talk about our

1331
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: training and four pillars right the basketball, strength, conditioning, the nutrition,

1332
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: and the mental, and I think that that model has

1333
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: merit um and we really, I really believe, and trying

1334
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: to spread that now to whether it's contracting with different

1335
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: groups installing that. You know, we've had discussions with like

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: larger chains of health clubs and things too, like sell

1337
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 1: our software. So you know, basically not so much tell

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: in a money type way, because that's not what I

1339
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: really meant, but it's utilize what we've developed from a

1340
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: training perspective and be able to expand it without expanding

1341
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: to ten different facilities. So we opened up an academy

1342
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: in India with a partner that licenses, so it's it's

1343
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: Corevis American Academy with Impact Basketball. Is Manchester United does

1344
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: a soccer impact does the basketball? We just trained the

1345
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: Indonesian national team over here. We're kind of expanding and

1346
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: and really sharing our knowledge globally um with and also

1347
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: there's some interesting things I have going on in in

1348
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: the States where they're, like I said, some larger chains

1349
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: of you know, like a health club chain with like

1350
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: we would train the trainers, right, So that's kind of

1351
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: what's next for me is to really I love training

1352
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: the pro guys, right. I have a cool group of

1353
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: young guys I got, you know, like guys like Halibert,

1354
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: Josh green Zier, Williams, Zeke Naji. I mean they're twenty,

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01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're my son's age. So as you know,

1356
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: as you get older. Now I'm not hanging with him

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01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: as much as I am anymore. I'm like, this is

1358
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: like they're like sons to me, you know, so it's

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: a different I have a really cool group of young

1360
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: yors and that will grow. You know, we had fourteen

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01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: guys in the draft two years ago and last year.

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01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: As Are is a cool situation because he grew up

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: with my son and I just you know, stayed in

1364
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: my house and has kind of been with me since

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: he was fourteen. So um, he's cool. But I think

1366
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: that part will grow and just really expanding. You know,

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01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: our Vegas facility is going to always be the hub.

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01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: You know. We love doing stuff that we're doing there

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: and bringing people in there. But the real, the real

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: growth for me is trying to I don't want to,

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01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, give you two grandiose of the goal, but

1372
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: really improved training in the country, in the world by

1373
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: what we know and the knowledge we've gained from the

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: pros and installed that into people where we can. It's

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: almost like a methodology of training UM that we want

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01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: to spread to that. So that's kind of my mission

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01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: now is to get with as many groups in different

1378
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: we have. You know, we have people calling us, we

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: have a certification online where trainers can do, but more

1380
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: so like really installing what we believe in UM and

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: that goes to the mental side to how are you

1382
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: dealing with these players? You know our hour, Like you

1383
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: talked about it so important for these the college coaches,

1384
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: even the high school coaches to do a U day.

1385
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, this is a great idea because you're you're

1386
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: not only growing their basketball skills, you're growing their confidence

1387
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: as people. You're growing you know, they're your your you know,

1388
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: your dad was in it for the right reasons, right,

1389
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: You change people's a lot. You help kids do, you know,

1390
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: focus their life through sports, but maybe they didn't end

1391
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: up in basketball. So we just want to keep spreading.

1392
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: We want to keep doing that. I'm like, I'm not

1393
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: looking at opening up twenty five facilities there. You know,

1394
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: it's difficult to do. I think you you you know

1395
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: from being in southern California, all the facilities that open

1396
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: and close, and you know, we don't want to run tournaments.

1397
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that stuff. We want to train,

1398
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, So we want to stay very focused on

1399
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 1: making sure that the quality of training that young people

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01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: are getting is the right kind of training and that

1401
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: parents are really you know, we'd love to do parent

1402
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: courses you know, how to handle you know, because you're

1403
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: in the sport, but you know, you know, colleagues of

1404
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: yours and with kids, they have no clue, you know,

1405
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: what the what do I put my kid in? How

1406
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: do I do this? How do I decipher who's a

1407
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: good trainer who's not a good trainer. So those are

1408
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: the kind of programs that we're in we're kind of

1409
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: implementing around the country, around and again globally. We've done

1410
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: some really cool have some really cool stuff going in

1411
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: China with the government to try to UM install certification

1412
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: programs for their young coaches over there that you know,

1413
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: their player development as you know, and their strength and conditioning.

1414
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: Their attention to nutrition is not great. So we've got

1415
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: we've got some stuff going on there too as well.

1416
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: So this has been awesome. You've been so gracious for

1417
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: the time. I can't tell how much I appreciate it. Um,

1418
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: I gotta get you in the gym with my my

1419
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: group of younger kids. It's just you know, when definitely

1420
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: can bring them out, you've got to bring them out. Yeah, okay,

1421
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: we'll we'll be out there several times and okay, it'll

1422
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. But I mean this, like,

1423
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,479
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for the way you do

1424
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: what you do because obviously you've been able to put

1425
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: your kids through school and deliver a life. But I've

1426
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: never been told like he's just in it for the money,

1427
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: right like you. Actually, you believe in training the people

1428
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: of the brain, the nutrition, the whole thing. And I

1429
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: think that's what it's about, because I do think that

1430
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 1: pays off dividends for the rest of your life. There's

1431
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: a discipline element to it. So I really appreciate your

1432
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: time and I appreciate what you do, and uh, thanks

1433
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: for joining me. You got it was great. And I

1434
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: do want to tell you that when I first got

1435
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: to l A, your dad was so helpful to me.

1436
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: He was he was a great guy. So he really

1437
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: he really kind of you know, we we were looking

1438
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: for how to grow our business and things, and he

1439
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: was totally gracious with all his time. So I always

1440
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: appreciate that post grad. Postgrad was how he competed, right,

1441
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: that's it, man. He couldn't compete with the big boys,

1442
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: so he just do post I'll do all post grad

1443
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: kids and those were his like one of the first

1444
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: he had. Ironican's guy named Mike Wosniak, who's still up

1445
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: in San Luis Obispo. I don't know if you know.

1446
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: I do, and I was just saying I know, I

1447
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: know who that is. So Carmel, Indiana, right, no scholarship offers,

1448
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: comes out plays for him in a in a spring

1449
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: event post grad. My brother Was. It was his first

1450
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: job at cal Poly San Luis Obispo. They were going

1451
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: D one and they got Was and Was is one

1452
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: of the all time great players. And like now, he

1453
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: in addition to other things, he trains and he loves it, right,

1454
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: But it's it's the opening a door to the rest somebody,

1455
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: the rest of somebody's life that he took a special

1456
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: joy in and I think you do too, and I

1457
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: do so I appreciate you mentioned that. Totally, no problem.

1458
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: I I definitely love it and I'm not running out

1459
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: of steam. So that's a good thing. Yeah. These young guys,

1460
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: Oh they're so funny there. I told Al Harrington, who's

1461
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: what is Al? Al was born in eighty so he's

1462
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: going to turn forty two in February. I said, I'm

1463
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: sitting in Zaire William's kitchen right now in Memphis, and

1464
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: he's equally as clueless as you were. And it's twenty

1465
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: years old, so it's no idea what's going on. He's like,

1466
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm so tired. I was like, what are you tired from? That?

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know what I'm tired from,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the areas and this big house and

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Speaker 1: this kid who stayed in my house for all these years.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm in his house and he's like. I was like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? He's like, I don't leave it,

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Speaker 1: bel I said, I remember sitting here with Al when

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Speaker 1: I was baby Al Harrington and going through the same thing.

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Speaker 1: He had no idea what was gone. He show me

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Speaker 1: a picture. You like this car. I don't care what

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Speaker 1: kind of car, you know, a whole things. So it's

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Speaker 1: I really have enjoyed that, really, And how's my son

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Speaker 1: twenty year old son's godfather, you know, so they've been

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Speaker 1: part of what we're doing. So it's like paying it

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Speaker 1: back now to my son's age kids, which is awesome.

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Speaker 1: So I'll keep it rolling for a while. Joe, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining me. Okay, thanks, I have a great day.

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Speaker 1: That was awesome, really interesting life, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more to it, a lot, and we'll check back in

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Speaker 1: with Joe, but the guys that he worked out, the

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Speaker 1: stories that he told, the way in which he made

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Speaker 1: and he continues to make money for himself in and

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Speaker 1: around the world of basketball without being a head coach,

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Speaker 1: without being an agent, like there's That's what I love

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Speaker 1: about the sport is there's so many different avenues if

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Speaker 1: you love it and if you love the process of

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Speaker 1: helping others. So my thanks to Joe Bunizzart for joining us,

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Speaker 1: My thanks to you. Reminder, the Doug Gottlieb Show is

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Speaker 1: daily three to six eastern twelve three Pacific on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, the I Heart Radio app, or you can

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Speaker 1: download the podcast wherever you don't load this podcast. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening on Doug Gottlieb. This is all

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Speaker 1: Ball