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Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: you'll access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, and 11 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: news media, and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: dot com. 15 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris seems to still be set are running for 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: president again someday. 17 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 5: The New York Times at a. 18 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: Very very splashy profile for let's put up D two 19 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 4: on the screen. 20 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 5: Actually all kinds. 21 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: Of interesting stuff in this profile, but her profile recently 22 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 4: in The Atlantic caused some trouble. 23 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about that in a bit first. 24 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: In this New York Times piece, Comers seems to be 25 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 4: pretty eager to run again. She made all kinds of 26 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 4: news for a particular quote where she told Shane Goldmocker, 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 4: I understand the focus on twenty twenty eight and all 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 4: of that. 29 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 5: But there will be a marble bust of me in Congress. 30 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 4: I am a historic figure like any vice president of 31 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: the United States ever was. Goldknocker followed Harris around two 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 4: different book tour stops and really does some I don't know, 33 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: does her some favors in this piece by making it 34 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: sound as though everywhere she went everyone was clamoring to 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: see Kamala Harris. Young black women in particular, Goldmocker reports 36 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: were delighted to see Kamala Harris or big fans of 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris. I'm just skeptical that that's any significant portion 38 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: of the country in terms of the numbers. But she's 39 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: getting in trouble her profile with The Atlantic. She I'm 40 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: sorry that Josh Shapiro profile in The Atlantic saw him 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 4: responding to something in her book One hundred and seven Days, 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: which I might have to eat crowing, because I was like, 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: this book's not going to sell anything OpEd. 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 5: To what books we thought. 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 6: Both were wrong about that. 46 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 5: Now compared to what books used to sell. 47 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: It didn't sell that many, but six hundred thousand copies 48 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: according to the Times. Profile makes it like the best 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: selling memoir of the year. Some of that could be 50 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 4: big corporations having Kammala come speak and buying books. 51 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 5: But it's still a. 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 6: Big a lot of books. 53 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, people, Maybe people are clamoring for Kamala Harris, right, 54 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 4: and we were wrong the whole time. Let's play this 55 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: clip though, of Josh Shapiro, Governor of Pennsylvania, responding a 56 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: little fun twenty twenty eight preview here to simone standers 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: of mess and mess now to correct myself here, asking 58 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: him if he really said, if you really called some 59 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: of Harris's claims bullshit. 60 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 7: Here's a quote, and you are describing former Vice President 61 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 7: Kamala Harris here it says, I mean she's trying to 62 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 7: sell books and cover her as Sorry with standards, Shapiro snapped, 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 7: I shouldn't say cover her word. I shouldn't say I 64 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 7: think that's not appropriate. Shapiro said, his tone was suddenly collected. 65 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 7: She's trying to sell books, period. What were you trying 66 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 7: to signal in that in that moment? So you want 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 7: to parse this out for. 68 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Us, there's no parsing. Look, I stand by what I said. 69 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 8: I think the way in which the author described my 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 8: emotion frankly was not accurate. But the words are mine 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 8: and I stand by them. I think what was relayed 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 8: to me by that author that the Vice President had 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 8: written about me just simply wasn't true. And you know, 74 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 8: I think the Vice President I had very and continue 75 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 8: to have very candid conversations, and I think the way 76 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 8: in which it was articulated to me what was said 77 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 8: was was certainly not accurate. 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 5: Shapiro owns it. 79 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 6: What do you think, Grin it was pretty funny. 80 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean he's like, look, I said what 81 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 9: I said, and yeah, she was doing a little c 82 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 9: ya like. I don't think anybody is going to disagree 83 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 9: with that. On the point of Kamala Harris being a 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 9: historical figure, I was just looking up some of the 85 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 9: other historical figures that she'll she'll join. 86 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 5: I see Wikipedia. 87 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 6: Do you watch Miracle on thirty fourth Street every year? 88 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 5: Not every year? 89 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 9: I just learned something right now that one of the 90 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 9: iconic scenes in Miracle on thirty fourth Street turns out 91 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 9: to be incorrect. When Santa is doing the the wellness check, 92 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 9: like the cognitive test that Donald Trump, you know, famously 93 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 9: aced where they're giving him the psychiatric evaluation and they 94 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 9: ask him who is the vice president under John Quincy 95 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 9: Adams because they're trying to get him to fail, and 96 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 9: he says Daniel D. Tompkins. It's one of this classic scene. 97 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 9: Turns out that's not true. And I just realized that 98 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 9: right now, just now, which I actually I should have known, 99 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 9: because Quincy Adams is Calhoun was his vice president. It 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 9: looks like what happened is this is before Google and Wikipedia, 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 9: and so the Miracle on thirty fourth Street writers said 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 9: who was the sixth vice president? And the sixth vice 103 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 9: president was Daniel D. Tompkins. Sixth president was Quincy Adams. 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 9: So they were like, oh, they must have been together. 105 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 5: They put it in chat GPT. 106 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 9: They didn't have they didn't have a book on hand 107 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 9: that they could look for. They just had a chart 108 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 9: or something of who this or maybe they just sat 109 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 9: around on it. 110 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 6: Who knows the sixth or anyway, it's. 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 5: A deep joke for people like you. 112 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 6: Maybe it is a deep joke. Wow, that is that? 113 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 6: That is that is wild. 114 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 9: It might be there's a little easter egg in Miracle 115 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 9: thirty fourth Street, and maybe this is a widely known 116 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 9: thing among Miracle on thirty four Street heads. 117 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 6: But anyway, so Daniel D. 118 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 9: Tompkins, Martin van Buren he became president, Richard Mentor Johnson 119 00:05:52,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 9: vice president, George Dallas, Millard Fillmore, Billy King, John Bredkinridge, 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 9: Hannibal Hamlin. 121 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: This is fun. 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 9: Abraham Lincoln's vice president, Skyler Colfax also has a bust 123 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 9: in the Capitol, so as does Henry Wilson, William Wheeler, 124 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 9: Ruther for b. 125 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 6: Hayes's vice president. 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: There you go, Kamala Harris, what more could you ask? 127 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 6: Jesster Arthur Jarfield he became president. 128 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 4: Are you watching the new James Garfield series Netflix? It's fantastic. 129 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 6: I didn't even know there was one. Very excited for that. 130 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 5: Yes, you'll love it. 131 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 6: Garrett Hobart. 132 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 5: These are the esteemed ranks of men. Kamala Harris will 133 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: join with her bust in the Capitol. 134 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 6: Maybe she'll be right next to Garrett Hobart. 135 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 5: She might and that again, what more could you ask for? 136 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 6: Or maybe Chuck Fairbanks, Maybe Chuck Fairbanks, Jim Sherman, So 137 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 6: do you it's Tom Marshall. I know a lot of history. 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 9: Like half these people on the play, Wikipedia could be 139 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 9: totally lying to me. 140 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 4: It seems so Yeah, that's true. We could have just 141 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 4: done a lot of fake news. Charles Dawes, it seems 142 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 4: so obvious that. 143 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 9: Calvin Coolidge's vice president, for those are not up on there. 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 4: It's like, what we're going to be saying about that 145 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: was Joe Biden's vice president two hundred years from now, 146 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: Someone's going to be explaining that to someone Kamala Harris, 147 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 4: that was Joe Biden's. 148 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 6: They'll be failing to pronounce it. 149 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: Yes, really, yes, But Josh Shapiro love or Hatim feels 150 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: a lot more like the future of the Democratic Party 151 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: than Kamala Harry does. 152 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 9: And also the past, which is also impressive because he's Obama. 153 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 5: Yeah right, same cadence. Should we move on to Gavin news. 154 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 6: I think we might as well. 155 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: Let's do it all right, So Ryan Gavin Newsom got 156 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: a question about his relationship with a pack Let's go ahead. 157 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: This is from Jack Coucherella. Do you know what Jack 158 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: cauchuriwan is M I don't either. 159 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: He follows me, so maybe he watches shout out to you, Jack. 160 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 5: Good question. Let's roll the club. 161 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 10: A little bit ago, you did an interview higher Learning 162 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 10: and the question of the question of a pack came up. 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, And it wasn't really necessarily a question of 164 00:07:59,280 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 10: a pack. 165 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 11: It was just a random I thought about any papers. 166 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 11: I've never received any money from APACK, and we were 167 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 11: curious kind of raised. 168 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 10: A pack DMFI the Israel lobby at large, this has 169 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 10: become a big conversation and someone like myself and I 170 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 10: think at this point a broad majority of Democrats are saying, 171 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 10: we don't want candidates who are taking money from APAC. 172 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 10: We don't want the candidates who are beholding to the 173 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 10: Israel lobby. When you look at what you were able 174 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 10: to accomplish with the groundswell of support financially from people 175 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 10: who said, I want to back this, I want to 176 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 10: back fighters, I want to back people who are independent 177 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 10: of an establishment. 178 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: How do you think about a pack now, and maybe. 179 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 10: Someone like Seth Molton who said I want to return 180 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 10: this money, I'm not taking it anymore. How do you 181 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 10: think that a pack should be involved or shouldn't be involved. 182 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 11: I've never received a dollar from them in my entire 183 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 11: political career, so that that's sort of absolute. So I've 184 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 11: had an opinion on that going back decades. Now, I 185 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 11: don't take you know, tobacco money, oil money. I've never 186 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 11: taken eight pack money. I mean, there's there's certain absolutes 187 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 11: that are the lines that have been drawn for decades 188 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 11: for me, and those will continue and to the extent 189 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 11: they need to evolve because of the devolution of certain interests, 190 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 11: and we're experiencing that in real time along the lines 191 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 11: of what we've been talking. Perhaps that will even grow. 192 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 11: But the small dollar is become just the lifeblood. 193 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: For me, Okay, Ryan, some of the times for sure. 194 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: We can also put this next element up on the screen. 195 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: Marjorie Taylor Green, let's run this. Yeah, this is the 196 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: Margor Taylor Green with the track APAC graphic saying I 197 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 4: am America first, thank you for your attention to this matter. 198 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 4: It shows her taking zero dollars from a pack and 199 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: Trump taking what is that two hundred and thirty million 200 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: upwards of twenty two hundred and thirty million dollars from 201 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 4: a pack. So Gavin Newsome has landed on this answer. 202 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 9: What does that tell us, Ryan, And what was the 203 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 9: answer that he might in the future that he's never 204 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 9: taken any pack money and he might not take it 205 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 9: going forward. 206 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: Is that the he said, this is a line he 207 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: has drawn and he will continue not to take money 208 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 4: from apack. 209 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 9: I thought he was saying the line that he drew 210 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 9: was on tobacco, and that he might draw a line 211 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 9: that's in the future, because if he feels that that's necessary, 212 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 9: should we run again. 213 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 6: If you're watching this, you're you're in luck. 214 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 9: You can just scroll back and listen to listen to 215 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 9: him again. I thought he left himself for a little 216 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 9: bit of wiggle room. 217 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 4: I mean, that wouldn't be out of the question for 218 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom. He said, I don't take tobacco money, oil money, 219 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 4: and I've never taken a pack money. 220 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 9: Noticed a change intents, right, Yeah, don't take this. I 221 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 9: don't take that and I've never taken that. 222 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 4: And to your point, here's the next sentence. There are 223 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: certain absolutes that are the lines that have been dropped 224 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: for decades to go to the past of tents. 225 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, and then he says, and it might in the 226 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 9: future that line might have to change to include a pack. 227 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 6: God, this guy's slick. 228 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah he is so. 229 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 9: Yes, So what he is saying is that he's never 230 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 9: taken it before, but he doesn't have a policy against 231 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 9: taking it yet he does have a policy against taking 232 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 9: tobacco money and this other stuff. But in the future, 233 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 9: if he's under enough pressure, he might draw a policy 234 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 9: that says I will not take it, yes, which would 235 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 9: actually genuinely be a remarkable political development. If the blank 236 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 9: a leading like establishment candidate for the Democratic nomination just 237 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 9: straight up set I'm not taking a PAC money, that 238 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 9: would actually be a seismic shift. So the fact that 239 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 9: he's like leaving open the door for it even and 240 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 9: trying to make you and I think that he. 241 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 6: Said it, yeah, yeah, he almost got it. 242 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 4: Well, it's slick in the like to get you a 243 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: legalistic sense, like how the language is slick. It's not 244 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: slick in a sense that I think a lot of 245 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 4: people see that and they're like, just say no, just 246 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: say no. 247 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 9: But let's let's do a survey in the comments, like 248 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 9: he did he get you? Did you think that he 249 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 9: said he was not going to take a PAC money. 250 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: He always got to see the transcript. Sometimes you have 251 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: to see that to be like, what's he doing here? 252 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: And we'll also see how this plays out. We talked 253 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: earlier in the show about the Texas Democratic Senate primary. 254 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see how the APEC questions play out, 255 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 4: given Jasmin Crockett and taller Ico both Talarico has an 256 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 4: existing relationship with Miriam Edelson said basically about gambling by 257 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: any way. 258 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 9: Which is another funny, but I took Mariam Adilson money 259 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 9: to support her gambling empire. 260 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: Right not for And yeah, and also by the way, 261 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 4: I am the Evangelical Christians in this race, which is 262 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 4: insane another reason. 263 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 6: And he did vote to support the gambling stuff, so like. 264 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: That it all checks out a little transactional there, But yeah, 265 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: I mean that's another again, just another reason that when 266 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: the DC people see him referencing Scripture, it doesn't it's 267 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 4: not only land with Evangelical Christians because it's it's a 268 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 4: totally different like language the way that he frames his 269 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 4: faith based approach of politics. Like Evangelical Christians are still 270 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 4: like the read that is like the holdout in gambling. 271 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: That is one area of the culture where this all 272 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 4: gambling holdout. So anyway, we'll see how all of this 273 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: plays out in that primary. I think it'll be very interesting. 274 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 4: We were talking about Goldman and Lander will also be 275 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: the Israel question to policy towards Israel. That will be 276 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: interesting in that race as well, because I'm sure it's going. 277 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 5: To come up. 278 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 6: Yes. 279 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: Indeed, all right, well let's go ahead and get to 280 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: Sam Goadaldig Ryan, this is going to be pretty interesting, excellent. 281 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 9: Joining us now is Sam Goadaldig, a big shot Republican 282 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 9: lobbyist here in Washington with the firm CG c N 283 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 9: who is focused for decades now on the class divide 284 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 9: when it comes to advocacy around Congress and the divisions 285 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 9: between and within the parties. Sam's firm has a fascinating 286 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 9: new report out, so we're excited. 287 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 6: To welcoming back. Sam. How you doing doing great? 288 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: Good to see you guys. 289 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 6: Excellent. 290 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 9: So the new report is called Class Dismissed, and there's 291 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 9: a lot of kind of interesting insights about our current 292 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 9: politics that we want to walk through here but sketch 293 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 9: out for us, like. 294 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 6: Like where this comes from. And people are going to. 295 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 9: Be like already asked themselves, why is a lobbyist care 296 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 9: about this? 297 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 6: Like how is this? 298 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 9: How is this useful to advocacy for the corporate clients 299 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 9: that you have here in Washington. 300 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 12: So we've known this for a long time because we 301 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 12: go into a lot of offices and it's kind of instinctual. 302 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 12: Once you start visiting with members of Congress, you know, 303 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 12: in your head you kind of characterize a Freedom Caucus member, 304 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 12: a problem solver member, a Black Caucus member, a Hispanic 305 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 12: Caucus member, and the feel and every meeting is a 306 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 12: little different and you walk out after you know, for me, 307 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 12: now twenty years in the business, thousands of meetings, and 308 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 12: you can start to see a pattern. There's like a 309 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 12: pattern recognition that goes along with it, and you realize 310 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 12: that the members that represent the wealthier congressional districts also 311 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 12: have the best reputation in Washington, d c. Among thinks, tanks, journalists, 312 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 12: other lobbyists. So there's this unconscious bias towards calling the 313 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 12: people that represent the wealthier parts of the country reasonable, thoughtful, productive, 314 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 12: And there's the same pattern recognition when it comes to 315 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 12: members of the Freedom Caucus, the Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus, 316 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 12: and there's a caucus that is not as well known 317 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 12: called the anti Woke Caucus, and that pattern recognition leads 318 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 12: you to believe that those members are destructive, problems, not 319 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 12: productive in any way, not worth lobbying being, they're crazy, 320 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 12: they're you know, whatever. 321 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: The word might be that, you know, and I'd love. 322 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 12: To see like a grouping of focus group boards amongst 323 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 12: like the elites in Washington, how they described the members 324 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 12: that come from the poorer parts of the country. And 325 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 12: you know, after twenty years, you start like it opens 326 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 12: your eyes and you're like, holy shit, everyone here is 327 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 12: a classist. So you ask why a Republican lobbying firm 328 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 12: went to the effort to document all this, And it's 329 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 12: honestly because we're trying to teach our corporate clients like 330 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 12: what they're dealing with and how to be successful in Washington. 331 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 12: It also is meant to get them to reframe an 332 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 12: unconscious bias that they have against those members. Those members 333 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 12: are dealing with horrible issues, and we documented in class 334 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 12: dismiss too. They're more likely to die of opioid deaths, 335 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 12: They're more likely to serve in the military, they're more 336 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 12: likely to be unemployed, they're more likely to live less 337 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 12: long than the wealth for your constituents in wealthy districts. 338 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 12: So you know, it kind of makes sense. It's like, 339 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 12: why is everyone hating on these people that have such 340 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 12: a such a sorry story to tell? And there's once 341 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 12: you look at it that way, you can't unsee it. 342 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 12: It's almost like you go to Spencer Gifts as you're 343 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 12: as a kid and they put one of those posters 344 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 12: in front of you and they tell you to unFocus 345 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 12: your eyes and you can see it, and it's like 346 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 12: once you see it, you can't never see it again. 347 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 12: So I feel like a little bit like we're screaming into, 348 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 12: you know, a void, just telling everyone what we see, 349 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 12: and more and more people are starting to see it. 350 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 12: Trump certainly awakened that. Like London's and the way mainstream 351 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 12: news media covered Trump's win in twenty twenty four, They're 352 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 12: starting to recognize that the class dismissed like walks you 353 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 12: through just how hard it is for a lot of 354 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 12: constituencies in America dem and Republican, and why their representatives 355 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 12: might be framed as not reductive because their voters are 356 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 12: angry and they want change. 357 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: Right in Washington, it's strange to see people come to town 358 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: acting like their hair is on fire, whether they're from 359 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: the Freedom Caucus or their AOC. But what your report 360 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 4: shows is that they're coming from places where their hair 361 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: should be on fire. It would be irrational for them 362 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 4: to not be furious at the system and focused on 363 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: overturning it or fixing it or change it, however you 364 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: want to say. But let's put this graphic up on 365 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 4: the screen. You found the thirtiest, the thirty wealthiest districts. 366 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: Seven of them are GOP representatives, are representative represented by Republicans, 367 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: and twenty three are represented by Democrats. Similar breakdowns just 368 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 4: in other metrics that you guys looked at, Sam, But 369 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 4: this is kind of you're putting numbers to the realignment 370 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: what has kind of maybe Trump was the first to 371 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: really recognize it in modern political history, but the underpinnings, 372 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: quantitative underpinnings of the ideological realignment? 373 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 5: Do you see it that way? Is that how you 374 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 5: talk about. 375 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: This when you're going into you know, meetings with people 376 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 4: who corporate clients that may have been used to sitting 377 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 4: down and having a pretty open year in Republican offices 378 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: and that's not always going to be the case this 379 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 4: time around. 380 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. 381 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 12: So that's the purest installation of the data, and we 382 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 12: go really deep into other metrics, but the thirty poorest 383 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 12: and thirty wealthiest proves the point that you know, there's 384 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 12: an old conventional wisdom that Republicans will reflexively help the 385 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 12: business community and maybe specifically the fortune five hundred and 386 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 12: more and more, the Republican rank and file, the meat 387 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 12: of the Republican Party represents constituencies that have had a 388 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 12: really tough go of it, and those voters in those 389 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 12: congressional districts are not as reflexively ideologically pro business as 390 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 12: the party was, say during the George W. 391 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Bush years twenty years ago. 392 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 12: So politics has evolved, Republican voters have evolved, Democratic voters 393 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 12: have evolved. And what's very interesting is the fact that, 394 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 12: you know, the Democrats have not lost their anger or 395 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 12: heat towards corporate America, but Republicans now are fighting for 396 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 12: the same constituencies that Democrats once completely commanded a long 397 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 12: time ago. And I've never seen it in the thirty 398 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 12: years i've been here. I was a staffer for about 399 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 12: twelve and now I've been lobbying. Both parties consider working 400 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 12: class voters the base of their party, and I'm not 401 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 12: sure who's right. I mean, maybe we'll find out in 402 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 12: the midterms. Maybe we'll find out in the twenty twenty 403 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 12: eight election. I think they're almost completely up for grab. 404 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 12: And if you look at like how Trump did with 405 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 12: Hispanic men, he won fifty two percent of Hispanic men nationally. 406 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 12: Like that, that's an insane progression from you know, the 407 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 12: Bush years, when we th we reached the pinnacle of success, 408 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 12: when we had marginal success with Hispanic voters. So, you know, 409 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 12: I feel like the mainstream media, the people that cover Washington, 410 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 12: whether you're a professor or a journalist or a think 411 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 12: tank fellow, they kind of resort back to this lazy, 412 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 12: conventional wisdom that's definitely not true anymore. And I think 413 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 12: it's our job to tell our clients how to successfully 414 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 12: win and how to frame up arguments that used to 415 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 12: work but no longer do. 416 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 9: And so then if you look at the thirty poorest districts, 417 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 9: the breakdowns a little more even. You have eighteen of 418 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 9: those districts represented by Democrats and twelve of them represented 419 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 9: by Republicans. 420 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 6: There's also like a stark racial divide there. 421 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 9: The Democratic districts are going to be in general black 422 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 9: caucus or Hispanic caucus members, and then the Republican districts 423 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 9: are going to be overwhelmingly you know, white districts, poor 424 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 9: white districts. If you expand it out to like the 425 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 9: hundred poorest, do you even get closer to parody like 426 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 9: what let's say about fifty to fifty almost? 427 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 12: Or yeah, I think like the Republicans, And I don't 428 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 12: have the data in front of me, and I apologize, 429 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 12: but I think, what if you really took a deep 430 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 12: dive look into the middle. The Democrats kind of dominate 431 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 12: both ends of it. So the poorest districts in the 432 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 12: country are almost exclusively black and Hispanic caucus and they're 433 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 12: all Democrats that represent those districts. The wealthiest are almost 434 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 12: exclusively white Democrats. And then the middle is a huge 435 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 12: chunk of Republicans that skew poorer than wealthier. So I 436 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 12: think the middle would be like a lot of Republicans, 437 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 12: more Republicans than Democrats, and those Republicans are probably representing 438 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 12: less wealthy districts. And if you broke it down into 439 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 12: the caucuses, you would find that the Republicans the wealthier 440 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 12: districts join moderate mainstream. Again, these are very nice words, 441 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 12: moderate mainstream centrist. They joined caucuses that reflect those viewpoints, 442 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 12: and the people from the poorer districts their caucuses are 443 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 12: not described quite as kindly. 444 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: And when you know they're not at all. 445 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 9: So when you would have started, you know, thirty years 446 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 9: you know, twenty five, thirty years ago, and you looked 447 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 9: at the top thirty, they would have been overwhelmingly Republican, 448 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 9: probably still. 449 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 6: At that point. 450 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 9: So as you as you watched this unfold, like what 451 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 9: did you see happen? Like how did those districts you know, 452 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 9: start to go democratic? And what effect do you think 453 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 9: that has had on the kind of middle districts as 454 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 9: you have this like then polarization between the haves and 455 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 9: have nots. 456 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 12: I think a lot of things happened over the last 457 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 12: ten years. Notably the most was Donald Trump beating Hillary 458 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 12: Clinton in twenty sixteen, which was kind of a continuation 459 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 12: of the Tea Party that started in twenty ten when 460 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 12: you had Republicans challenging So like, my favorite example is 461 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 12: Marco Rubio was like tried to be They tried to 462 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 12: run him out of a primary against now Democrat Charlie 463 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 12: Christ who was a popular Republican governor. Mitch McConnell opposed 464 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 12: Rubio running. I don't know if you remember that, but 465 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 12: he was dead set against Rubio jumping in the race. 466 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 12: And you know, now he's a fantastic you know, maybe 467 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 12: you disagree, Ryan, but he's certainly a competent secretary of 468 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 12: State and a realist right Like all it proves to 469 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 12: me is like the conventional wisdom and the smartest people 470 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 12: in the room gets shit wrong all the time, Like 471 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 12: Marco is wonderful for our party. And now I just 472 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 12: think the Democrats are like on a lag behind that 473 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 12: tea party, and I think we're starting to see it, 474 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 12: and nobody documents it better than Ryan Graham on the left. 475 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't pretend to know as much. 476 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 12: But Jasmine Crockett challenging TALLERIQ go in Texas, their dream 477 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 12: candidate to take a very traditionally red state. They're going 478 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 12: to come up with a lot of reasons why she's 479 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 12: not productive, she's not helping. She could go on to 480 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 12: be a secretary of state. I've seen her on TV. 481 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 12: They platform her all the time. She's in a voting 482 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 12: rights district in the House. And here's the other thing 483 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 12: that we've noticed. There is a glass ceiling on black 484 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 12: and Hispanic senators and governors moving up into statewide positions. 485 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 12: They're very well represented in the House, and a lot 486 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 12: of that is because of the Voting Rights Act, which 487 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 12: creates minority majority districts. The states don't have any such governor. 488 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 12: So I can't, for the life of me think of 489 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 12: a reason why black and Hispanic politicians, who represent the 490 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 12: base of the Democratic Party have had such a difficult 491 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 12: time bracking into statewide elected positions in the bluest of states. 492 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 12: I remember when we were talking a long time ago, Ryan, 493 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 12: I wrote a check to Donna Edwards to prove a point. 494 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 6: Is running for the Intenate against Chris van Holland right, correct. 495 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 12: Correct, And I guess the point is everyone has to 496 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 12: play their role according to this town. And again the 497 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 12: town being think tank fellows, journalists, flobbyists, the smart people, 498 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 12: and they put people in these boxes that are it. 499 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: I think it's racist. 500 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 12: Like I'd love to hear a Democrat Pundon explained to 501 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 12: me why Jasmine Crockett shouldn't run, Like. 502 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: I'd love to just let them just go. We talked 503 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: about elain It. 504 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 9: We talked about that earlier on the show, and she 505 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 9: actually is kind of a perfect k Street candidate in 506 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 9: that sense. Had pledged had you know, had bragged about 507 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 9: not taking corporate pac money. Since has taken enormous amounts 508 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 9: of corporate PAC money, has taken millions in. 509 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 6: Support from from Crypto. 510 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 9: Uh has been you know pretty you know, went on 511 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 9: an a PAC trip to Israel. So I think some 512 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 9: people are going to have some arguments around substance when 513 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 9: it comes to Crockett. But your your point is is 514 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 9: a legitimate one that for all of their talk when 515 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 9: it comes to a. 516 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 6: Then the Maryland Maryland case is a good example. 517 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 9: When it comes to a blue state, you know, where 518 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 9: the Democrat is going to win, they're there often is 519 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 9: not support for black Cannis. 520 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 6: Now I think, who are who are the two senators now. 521 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: From also Brooks? 522 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 9: So yeah, so also Brooks did did finally break through, 523 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 9: but it but nowhere near you know, uh, nowhere near 524 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 9: where it should be. 525 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 12: No, not not for a party that has weaponized race 526 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 12: or and again, I don't want to make it about parties. 527 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 12: I want to make it about this city, Washington, the city. 528 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 12: We all live in the city. We never leave they do. 529 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 12: Politicians come and go. They serve an average of you know, 530 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 12: ten years in Congress generally, and then they leave. I've 531 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 12: been here thirty I don't know how long. Ryan and 532 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 12: Emily you've been here, but like, we don't leave. We're Washingtonians. 533 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 12: We make a living here and we set the stage. 534 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 12: And I just think that conventional wisdom is completely lopsided, 535 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 12: upside down broken, not relevant what you know, choose the 536 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 12: term you want. But like, maybe we're not so smart. 537 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 12: Maybe Marco Rubio is one of the best things to 538 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 12: happen to the Republican Party. Maybe Jasmine Crockett might be. 539 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 12: Who knows, Like, who are we to say? We've been 540 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 12: proven wrong so often it's not funny. 541 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 4: My last question, Sam, is if your corporate clients have 542 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 4: started to realize this is not a flash in the 543 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 4: pan from like, because one of the things this data 544 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: I think makes clear is that it's not a flash 545 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: in the pan, that it's too deeply rooted to suddenly 546 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: you change. That there's populism, whether it's whether it's democratic 547 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: populism or Republican populism, there's there's a class based populism 548 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 4: that's emerged as a pattern as a trend. 549 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 5: Are do you. 550 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: Think Washington is realizing is coping with that? Do you 551 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 4: think they're just because I think actually Crockett and Tallerico 552 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 4: are kind of good examples, like Oh, here's your populist messaging. 553 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 4: But neither of them is like a populist candidate truly, 554 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 4: you know, at least from what we can tell so far, 555 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 4: is that thinking. 556 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 12: In So, you guys have a beef with corporate America, 557 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 12: I kind of don't like, and I like, I just 558 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 12: don't like. I get that you're upset about them, and 559 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 12: I'm not like. But whatever, we can have a nice conversation. 560 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 12: I think they're like water, like, if you show them 561 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 12: the path to success, whatever it might be, they'll get there, 562 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 12: maybe not quickly. It's not easy to see the image 563 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 12: in the poster that we talked about, but increasingly more 564 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 12: and more people are starting to see the image. And 565 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 12: some of this stuff makes sense. But it has to 566 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 12: break a frame of how you were raised, how you 567 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 12: were you know, what situation you grew up in. We've 568 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 12: talked about this and class dismissed one. The first document 569 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 12: we did talks a little bit about, you know, the 570 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 12: the unconscious bias of wealthier suburban kids moving to Washington 571 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 12: and the world as they understand it might not be 572 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 12: the same as the way you know, other Washingtonians moved here. 573 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 12: And I think Washington happens to be corporate America too, 574 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 12: dominated by people that you know, went to a four 575 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 12: year college, grew up in a wealthy you know, a 576 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 12: wealthy suburb of a major city. 577 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: Have been urbanized a. 578 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 12: Touch, but you know it's I'm not ashamed of that 579 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 12: way of thinking, and I grew up that way too. 580 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 12: But like again, going to every congressional office or a 581 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 12: lot of them over twenty years has opened my eyes. 582 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 12: And going to their fundraisers and hearing them explain why 583 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 12: they're so mad and what it's like when they go 584 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 12: home and what they have to hear and what their 585 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 12: constituents are upset about. 586 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: It breaks the frame. 587 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 12: And most people don't have that luxury where they can 588 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 12: pop into a congressional office and get a real taste 589 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 12: of America. I've lived here for thirty but I kind 590 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 12: of understand it because I've listened to them honestly speak 591 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 12: about struggles they have when they go home. 592 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: So it's made me more open minded. 593 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 12: I'm proud to be open minded, and that's kind of 594 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 12: why we write the memos to explain what twenty years 595 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 12: of talking to members of Congress has revealed to us. 596 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 9: And I will say on your point about your love 597 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 9: of corporate America that you kind of only know what 598 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 9: you had until it's gone. Like compared to the oligarchs 599 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 9: that are now kind of the dominant power structure in 600 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 9: the US, I'm almost like wistful for. 601 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 6: The time of like the corporate capture of. 602 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 5: America, like the Chamber of Commerce. 603 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 6: Can we go back to. 604 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 12: That, Like, Yeah, it's careful what you wish for. It 605 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 12: happens in Washington a lot. 606 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 9: At least they had some like nominal connection to the 607 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 9: United States and some like connection to the national interest. 608 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 6: Not so much with these new guys. 609 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: This is I'm not going to get myself in trouble. Ryan. 610 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 12: You go on and rail about them, and I'll keep 611 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 12: representing them and it'll be like the sheep Dog and 612 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 12: you know the famous Looty Tuns cartoon where we can 613 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 12: grab a grab a beer after work at sounds good. 614 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 5: Well, folks can read this report. 615 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 4: We'll put the report in the video link, but they 616 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 4: can also read it on the CGCN website. Sam, this 617 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 4: was really interesting. I appreciate you coming on. 618 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me guys. Always great to see you. 619 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 6: Of course you later. 620 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 4: Well that does it for us. On today's edition of 621 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: Breaking Points. Ryan, it was great to have good alding on. 622 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 6: Indeed, and we'll see everybody at the Miracle Theater everybody night. 623 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 5: You will all be there. 624 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 6: I'll be there. 625 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: You can still get tickets on the Reason website and 626 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 4: or you can just google. I think it's Reason Versus 627 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 4: and Ryan and I have the links on our ex 628 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 4: accounts as well. We'll put it in the video description, 629 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 4: I think too, so you have plenty of places to 630 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: find it. 631 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 5: No want every single one of me to be that's right. 632 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 6: We hanging out afterwards. The was like a post yes. 633 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 5: The five minutes. Yeah, because then I have to go 634 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 5: do After Party Live. 635 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 9: Emily stay on Wednesday, like very early morning, all the 636 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 9: way debate and then After Party Live. 637 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 6: It's a lot people should probably watch that. It's probably 638 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 6: gonna be disaster. 639 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: I would have a Gatorade on stage and we'll be 640 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 4: wearing one of those backpacks with like the hydration straw. 641 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 5: It will be good, all right, everyone, thanks so much 642 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 5: for tuning in. 643 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: We'll see you tonight and we'll see you Friday.