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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,

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Speaker 1: Tommy Tadario. So every once in a while a TV

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Speaker 1: show will come around that it lives beyond its time, right.

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Speaker 1: New audiences keep discovering it, original audiences keep rewatching it,

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Speaker 1: and it's because the show makes you feel so good inside.

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Speaker 1: It provides you comfort, it gives you hope. Well, my

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Speaker 1: guest today is a huge part of one of those

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Speaker 1: shows that I am talking about. Colin o'donahue. He became

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Speaker 1: a household name through starring in Once Upon a Time

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Speaker 1: on ABC. Once upon a Time, It's about a brand

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Speaker 1: new world, one in which fairy tale legends and modern

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Speaker 1: life collide. Colin played Killian, also known as the iconic

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Speaker 1: Captain Hook, in a very magical and enchanting world, and

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Speaker 1: his performance is nothing short of brilliant. Colin is such

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Speaker 1: a gifted actor who can do it all, film, theater,

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Speaker 1: TV voice work. He's an actor who pours every inch

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Speaker 1: of his being into the characters that he creates. And

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Speaker 1: today we are celebrating that fan favorite work, but we're

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Speaker 1: also getting to know the human behind the actor a

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Speaker 1: bit more intimately. So let's see if today we can

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Speaker 1: get Collins say something that he has never said before.

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Speaker 1: Colin of Don Hue, How you doing, my man.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, thanks, so are you?

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Speaker 1: I am good? I am good. It's so good to

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Speaker 1: see you. It's been a minute, but it's always a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to hang out. Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me

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Speaker 1: of course. Of course, Well I've been following your career

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Speaker 1: over the last few years. You've been up to all

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Speaker 1: sorts of exciting things, including the theater, which I am

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of. So we're going to dive into

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Speaker 1: that and in a little bit of course. But I

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Speaker 1: guess to start this conversation, man, you have so many

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Speaker 1: credits to your name. You've done so much, you know, film, TV,

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Speaker 1: voiceover work, animation, all the different things. But there's one role,

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Speaker 1: of course in particular that kind of blew you up

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Speaker 1: killing In aka Captain hook In Once upon a Time, right,

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Speaker 1: It's it's such a beloved fan favorite role. When you

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Speaker 2: No? No, to be honest, I I was. I was

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Speaker 2: when I'm an auditioned for it and met with Ellie

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Speaker 2: When I got centered, I was kind of like, there's

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Speaker 2: no way that I'll ever be playing Captain Hook. I

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Speaker 2: still had an image of Dustin Hoffman, you know what

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Speaker 2: But I never thought. I never knew just how big

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. So you weren't, you know, gripping this role.

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Speaker 1: You weren't like, I have to get this role or

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Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say nonchalant, but it was sort of

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Speaker 2: And then there was a couple of conversations about these

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Speaker 2: So it was Angela Bassett and I were the two

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: And then I'd known that Captain Hook was teased a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a great lesson for anyone

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Speaker 2: I mean I very much like the thing is, I

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Speaker 2: I was like, they're going to see a whole broad

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Speaker 1: Well, thank god, man, I mean, that's destiny. It was

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Speaker 1: they teased Captain Hook of comic Colm. But when was

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Speaker 2: It was my very first day on set one because

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Speaker 2: I was working with Robert Carlisle that first day, and

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Speaker 2: Bobby was one of my genuinely one of my heroes

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Speaker 2: growing up, especially as an actor, you know, Train Spotting.

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Speaker 2: I watched every single movie of his, The Full Monty,

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Speaker 1: You know what I love about the show too. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Was it rewarding being on a show with that format,

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Speaker 2: It was, Yeah, I mean I enjoyed it because you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that that's where that level, or that amount

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Speaker 2: not talking about Once upon a Time whatever, but sometimes

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Speaker 2: But I grew up you know, TV shows over here

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Speaker 2: and in the UK and in Ireland and stuff. Eight

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Anyway, so that's what I was used

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Speaker 1: So the world's catching up to you guys now.

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Speaker 2: Emma or that whole storyline. It's a different kind of

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00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: love and it's it was a really deep thing, and

437
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: I thought that that was really important. You know, it's complicated.

438
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: The last season is complicated because people have their opinions thinking,

439
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, they think that they wanted the same show,

440
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: but it couldn't have been the same show because some

441
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: people's contracts were up, they were ready to move on.

442
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: And so how do you go about with the same

443
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: world when when you won't have a lot of the

444
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: people who who made that exist, So you have to change.

445
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: And I think the writers were brave the way they

446
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: went about it. And look, Once upon a Time was

447
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: a good show that you could have a curse for anything,

448
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, and you could have parallel universes, you could

449
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: have parallel worlds, you know. So no, I thought it

450
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: was I thought it was good. I thought it was

451
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 2: really good, a good way of going about it.

452
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you my friends, season after season nailed the role.

453
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, but you did, and it's no surprise. He

454
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: as a fan favorite, and he was in some pretty

455
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: wild circumstances and you put it all out there and

456
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: you were you know, you delivered. I imagine that character is

457
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot more we'll say, extroverted and in the spotlight,

458
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: more than you like to be. Like you strike me

459
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: as someone who's a bit more shy, a little bit

460
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: more introverted, Is that right?

461
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I wanted him to be the opposite

462
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: of me. And I remember trying to figure out what

463
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 2: it was about people that I met who I just

464
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 2: couldn't take my eyes off or felt like, oh, there

465
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: was such a charisma there, and you know, I was

466
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: trying to figure that out and I realized it that

467
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: when somebody looks you in the eyes, most people don't

468
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: do it day to day because a bit like I'm

469
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: doing now, you sort of look around when you're talking,

470
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 2: and then you when somebody really focuses on you, they're

471
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: only listening to you. Do you know what I mean?

472
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: It's only you in the room. There's something really kind

473
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: of think about that. So that's what I wanted to

474
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: hook to be like. I wanted them to be like,

475
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Okay, oh, you know what I mean and

476
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 2: straight in. But I'm not like that at all, So

477
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: I'd rather just sit in the corner of the room

478
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: and not talk to anybody.

479
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 1: Probably, Well, you chose a very interesting profession for a

480
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 1: shyer guy. So how do you how do you, you know,

481
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: put yourself out there and then not let anxiety or

482
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: stress or nerves kind of prove.

483
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because you know, I think I became

484
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: an actor to pretend to be somebody else. Like I

485
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: get terrified before I go on stage and stuff that

486
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: I get really nervous. But when I discovered acting, I

487
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: realized that there was an opportunity to take on the

488
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: skin of somebody else and I didn't have to be

489
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: me for whatever length to time. That was not that

490
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: there was anything wrong with me, but it just I

491
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: could pretend to be somebody else, live a different live

492
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: in a different world for that hour or whatever. And

493
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: there's quite a lot of actors I think, I like

494
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: that are quite shy and stuff. But that's why we

495
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: do it, is that you can you can just pretend

496
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: to be another person for that time, you know. Like

497
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: sometimes I think when people meet actors, they expect them

498
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: to be like a character they've played or whatever. But

499
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: writers are writing the dialogue for us. We're not, you

500
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You know you improvise sometimes, but

501
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: most of the time you were taking on the skin

502
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: and you were saying somebody else's words, so you don't

503
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: have to. It just allowed me to pretend to be

504
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: somebody else.

505
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: That makes sense. And like you said, artists are not

506
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: the characters they play. So when you walk into a room,

507
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: if you're going to a social gathering where you don't

508
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: know a lot of people, is that like your worst nightmare?

509
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: Do you not enjoy that?

510
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: I don't fully enjoy it. No, I don't fully enjoy it.

511
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: I sort of slink in if I can at the

512
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: back and sort of stay for a while and then leave.

513
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: We need but man, listen, we need introverts and extroverts

514
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: in this world. But I always find it fascinating to

515
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: your point, when someone is so commanding on screen, it's

516
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: their actors. It's your job, right, like you're playing a role.

517
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, I imagine sometimes when people meet you, if

518
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: you are a little shyer, if you're a little more reserved,

519
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's it's not Captain Hook No, it's not.

520
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I could go in and pretend

521
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: in some respects, when you know, you go do things

522
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: you are like, I'll be playing a character of myself

523
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: kind of to get myself out of you know, if

524
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: I have to go in and speak to people whatever,

525
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: you know, it'll be I don't mean that in the

526
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: sense of line team, but it's like you have to go, Okay,

527
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: I have to be on here and then so you

528
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: sort of pretend a little bit that you're a little

529
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 2: bit more outgoing than you are. But yeah, I'm not.

530
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I'm not really that outgoing.

531
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hey, you throw it all into your work,

532
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: which is respectable, very respectable. And Colin, you've been working

533
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: a long time, You've been doing all sorts of different projects.

534
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: How would you say, even from your one stage, or

535
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: even before that, how is your approach to acting changed

536
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: from that point to today.

537
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: Oh I don't that's a good question, student. I don't

538
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: know that it has changed, to be honest. You know,

539
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: I was always just really grateful to have an opportunity

540
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: to get to do something I would really love to do.

541
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: I know an awful lot of people who are doing

542
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: jobs where they're not happy at all. They don't enjoy it.

543
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: They make a lot of money, but they're miserable, you know.

544
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: And I was like I was working before I had

545
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: any kind of what you would consider a success, you know.

546
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: I was working for ten years as a jobbing actor

547
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: around Ireland, doing plays too, sometimes ten people in the audience,

548
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: sometimes one hundred to couple of hundred, not getting paid

549
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but really enjoying it and honing

550
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: your craft and doing the best work that you could

551
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: do and feeling like you were a part of that world,

552
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: even though it was a struggle. So I was just

553
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: always really grateful to have a job, and I think

554
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: that's the most important thing. It's really like, it's a

555
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: really it's a really difficult profession. Not everybody gets the

556
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: opportunities that you know, I've been blessed to get. Yeah,

557
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: it's it's like for you, like to get on a

558
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: show like Once upon a Time or whatever, it's like

559
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: one in a million. Sounds really for someone like me

560
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: from a small town in Ireland, like that's not a

561
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: common occurrence and you have to grasp it with both

562
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: hands but be grateful for it and really appreciate the

563
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: fact that you you know, you're in something that you

564
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: know looks like it will be around for a while,

565
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: that people really respond to. So I don't think my

566
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: approach to acting has changed. I just want to work.

567
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: I want to do I want to do the best

568
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: work I can. I want to try and do something

569
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: where people will respond to it and get something. My

570
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: my thing was I always if I'm doing something, I

571
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: always want somebody to leave watching it, whether it to

572
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: play or it's TV or to film, feeling something whatever

573
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 2: that is. But I want them to feel something. And

574
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: that's part and parcel of what. You know, Like, people

575
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: have been acting for I don't even know how long,

576
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: maybe a thousand years whatever, there's been tour, you know,

577
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of years anyway, And originally it was

578
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 2: go around telling stories to people of what was happening

579
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: in the world at that stage and being a reflection

580
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: on you know, it was an important thing because most

581
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: people would never have that. Like I feel like being

582
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: an actor is an important job for me. It's not

583
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: saving lives, but it's important for people to have escape.

584
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: It depends who you're talking here, because a lot of

585
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: the work you guys do is credited with helping people

586
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: still be here today, so you know.

587
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's my point, is that like to be

588
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: on once upon a time where people literally would say,

589
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: I feel like that show saved my life because I

590
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: was in a really dark place and it just allowed

591
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: me to come out of that. Now whether or not,

592
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: look you sort of you know, I don't really know

593
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: how to respond to it sometimes, but to be a

594
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: part of something like that is, you know, you have

595
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: to be grateful for that and appreciate it. And yeah,

596
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: so I just look, I love being an actor and

597
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to work and

598
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: do good work, whatever that is.

599
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: And I love that you said you want to make

600
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: people feel. That's one of my favorite things about live theater.

601
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: And my husband and I try to see shows really

602
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: like every two weeks if we can, because to be

603
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: in a room with people experiencing something together collectively, it

604
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen anymore. You know, we're all connected on

605
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: our devices and phones, and it's a very me, me, me,

606
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: you know world that we live in. And even with

607
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: streaming now, you watch so many movies from home instead

608
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: of a theater. So to be in an actual playhouse

609
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: and see, yeah, musical theater production or play, I think

610
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: is thrilling not only because of what you're watching, but

611
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: to see how other people are feeling and experiencing the art,

612
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: either in the same way as you are in a

613
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: different way, which is pretty cool.

614
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incredible thing theater. You know, as long

615
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: as it's good, right, right, right, But it's an incredible

616
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: thing to be able to create a world. You know,

617
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: when people walk in and they see a stage, you

618
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: know it's a stage, and you know you're an auditorium whatever.

619
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: But if you're in a show that manages to suck

620
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: people in, for them to believe that they're watching something

621
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: real on something that's so clearly fake, it's an incredible

622
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: experience for everybody. And it's very palpable. You can you

623
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: can very much feel it on stage when it's clicking,

624
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: and you have there's an energy there that you know

625
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: you don't get from film and TV. You know, you

626
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: feed off the audience's energy when you're on stage and

627
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: vice versa. When you're watching something it's really clicking, you're

628
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 2: like getting this incredible energy and it's you know, it's

629
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: an amazing thing. But yeah, it's like theater is a

630
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: whole different keellfish. I hadn't done it in fifteen years before,

631
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: and I did a show there in the summer, and

632
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: luckily it was the show that people really responded to.

633
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: And it's just an incredible it's just an incredible thing

634
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: to be able to know that there's maybe a thousand

635
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: people in the audience, you can hear a pin drop

636
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: and nobody's on their phone. Yeah that's you know, yeah,

637
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: And I do think it's it's something i've you know,

638
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: I've started to I really like taking my kids to

639
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: the cinema and there's something about just sitting in a

640
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 2: room with other people when people aren't just doing this

641
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: and oh yeah yeah and texting whatever, just to have

642
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: people focused on the one thing. It's really it's really

643
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: quite something I think.

644
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too, And it's clear those are probably

645
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: many of the reasons why you return to the stage

646
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: for the first time in like fifteen years, Is that right?

647
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

648
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: I think so.

649
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: I think it was around about fifteen years.

650
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I guess the next move is New

651
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: York City and Broadway. We're ready for you, man. Yeah.

652
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: Well, I was lucky that the show, the show I

653
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: did was a big hit in the West End, and

654
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: it was the West End production that we did, so

655
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: which I think they were talking about going to New

656
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: York with it, but not not with me, but I

657
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: think there was talk. But yeah, I mean, it's a

658
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: big The only thing about theater is it's a big commitment.

659
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot of work. It's great, but

660
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: it's a lot. It's a lot of work in a

661
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: different in a different kind of way. I had always

662
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: thought that maybe I wouldn't go back to do another

663
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: play because all I remembered really was I remember loving it,

664
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: but I just remembered how nervous I used to get

665
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: every night before I went on stage. And that's terrifying,

666
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: just in case you try on stage and you forget

667
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: your lines. I was always, for the last number of years,

668
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: have just been terrified about that. And I actually spoke.

669
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: I remember speaking to Robert Carlisle on the set of

670
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: Once Upon a Time about it, because he had a

671
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: theater company in Scotland, you know, and I'm just saying,

672
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, Bobby, if I could go on stage again,

673
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: I think I'll just be too scared. But I did,

674
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: and luckily, luckily it was okay.

675
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm a man of many talents. Like I said earlier,

676
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: you also sing song, right.

677
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in my guitar room at the minute, so

678
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't know many. I think I've got twelve guitars

679
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: up in the wall here, maybe even more so. Yeah,

680
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: I was in a band for years and years and years. Actually,

681
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: when I was working as a sort of jobbing actor,

682
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: I was really making money playing in a band, gigging

683
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: four or five nights a week. So yeah, I'm not

684
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: playing as well. I played the guitar a lot and

685
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: piano and stuff, but I'm not really writing a huge

686
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: amount of stuff. But it's nice. I just love music

687
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: is such a massive part of my life.

688
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: It's something for you, right.

689
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I do a music I don't

690
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: think if that's if that was gonna be your next question,

691
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: would do musical? I don't think. I don't quite think

692
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: I have the voice for a musical, but who knows.

693
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: Actually, no, funny enough, I wasn't gonna ask that. I

694
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: was gonna ask if you're ever going to drop a single?

695
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: These days, I don't know.

696
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: I keep getting asked up by people and.

697
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: I tell you people want it, man.

698
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe I will. My kids are getting a

699
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: little bit older, so maybe i'd have time. I definitely

700
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't have had time before. And you know, I've been

701
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: lucky that a part obviously during COVID and stuff like that.

702
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 2: But you know, I've been lucky to be pretty busy.

703
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe I will. Maybe we'll. You'd have to

704
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: promote it for me.

705
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: If I do done done coming to New York, We'll

706
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: have you on the show in person. It'll be great.

707
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: It'll be great. Yeah, Colin, I don't know much about this,

708
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: so I don't know how much you can talk about this.

709
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: But when people found out you were coming on the show,

710
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: I got a million questions about the Gray House. Okay, yeah,

711
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are wanting to know what's

712
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: going on. Are there any updates? What can you tell

713
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: us because there seems to be a lot of excitement

714
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: about it.

715
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, is my answer. I know that

716
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: they had a Castle Cruise screening in September in la

717
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: I was over here. I wasn't able to go, and

718
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: then I don't know. I'm sure they'll come out pretty soon.

719
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: I think it's all finished. The scripts were incredible. It's

720
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: an amazing story. My character kind of is in and

721
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: out quite a bit, and it's based on a true story.

722
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: But I don't think. I don't think I'm able to

723
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: tell exactly what it's about just at the minute. I

724
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: don't know, is the thing. I haven't been told what

725
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: I can and can't say. But it should come out

726
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: pretty soon. I would think. Kevin Costro and Morgan Freeman

727
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: produced it. And it's obviously it's a Civil war story.

728
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, so hopefully it'll be Hopefully it'll be out

729
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: pretty soon. All right, Well, it was great. I got

730
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: to ride horses and jump up and off them and

731
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: do things and stuff. That was good.

732
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Well, we look forward to that. I also look forward

733
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: to you one day, maybe playing James Bond. I heard

734
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: that might be of interest.

735
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd like to play James Bond, and I

736
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: think I've got a feel and I'm too old, now

737
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: is the problem.

738
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Never say no, Never say never. We're putting it out there, man.

739
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can make that happen, that'll be good.

740
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, I suspect I'm too old.

741
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll see you. Never know, Never say never, Colin.

742
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: As we wrap up the name of the show, as

743
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: I've never said this before, and I created the show

744
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: because I wanted to have real conversations with fan favorite artists,

745
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of what we talked about today allowed

746
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: us to get to know you a little bit more

747
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: aside from the characters that you play, which to me

748
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: is such a rewarding conversation. I so much more enjoy

749
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: that than when I'm on a red carpet for three

750
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: minutes with somebody, or maybe or a minute and a

751
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: half with somebody you're you know, you know how that

752
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: those go. They're so quick and there's not substance there.

753
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: So this is why this show was born, and the

754
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: name of the show was born from that too. So

755
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, is there anything else today that you've never

756
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: shared before that you want to say?

757
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, you know, there was a

758
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: couple of things. I could go either way. It doesn't

759
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: have to be very serious or cand of just be

760
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: kind of lighthearted, whatever you want, because I'm pretty I

761
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: think even though I'm quite and stuff, and I think

762
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty open with people about you know, being shy,

763
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: and you know, I've talked before, but being bullied as

764
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: a kid, and that was a massive impact on me,

765
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: but you know, I think I was. I was thinking

766
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: about it. What would I say? And my son is

767
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: doing his school play Christmas play soon, and he's playing

768
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: one of the Beatles in it, so he's playing Paul McCartney.

769
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 2: And he found out recently for my mum that Paul

770
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: McCartney is my second cousin. So that's something I've never

771
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: said before. My second cousin once removed, so his his

772
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: his mother was my grandmother's first cousin. And we never

773
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: knew that. None of us ever knew that. So that's

774
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: something I've never said before.

775
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: How did you how did you connect that?

776
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: So? Well, we found out my grandmother was invited to

777
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: he got married, his previous marriage. He got married in

778
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: Ireland and tracked down from what I can gather, track

779
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: down family, you know, sort of closer family, and she

780
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: got an invitation to the wedding. No, she didn't tell

781
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: anybody until afterwards. And my grandmother, who's passed away since,

782
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: didn't go. Said no, she was a far you know,

783
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: they had a farm and stuff like that, and she

784
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: listened to Irish country music and had no interest in

785
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: the Beatles whatsoever. And yeah, it didn't go and then

786
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: told told us afterwards, told the family afterwards that she

787
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: had been invited and turned out that we were late.

788
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing about it all is my mother

789
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: was born in Liverpool. My mother and her sister, who's

790
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: just younger than her, was more but they were the

791
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: two eldest. And it turns out that they were born

792
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: on a street that's only ten minutes walk from where

793
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney grew up. So these two cousins live ten

794
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: minutes away but didn't know each other really, But that's

795
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: that was back in whenever Whenever it was so it

796
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: wasn't like today where you sort of have a track

797
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: and everybody. But yeah, so it's kind of lighthearted and

798
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: something a bit of fun. I've never met Paul McCartney

799
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: and I probably never will, but yeah, we're related to

800
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: our family are related to them, so that's my thing.

801
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: I've never told anyone before.

802
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I feel like you have to reach out.

803
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, he.

804
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: Would have no interest in responding to anything from me.

805
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm pretty certain. I'm pretty certain Paul McCartney's too busy

806
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: to want to say all oad Captain Hook.

807
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Clearly music runs in the family, so you know what,

808
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: now this all makes sense.

809
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my son was delighted because he was playing

810
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney thing my mom told him last week. He

811
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: was like he couldn't get over it. So but yeah,

812
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: that's my thing. I was kind of going to go

813
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: down a deeper route, but then I thought, nah, keep alike.

814
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: So well that's such a tease. Now now now I

815
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: feel like I want the other one too.

816
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean like it's it's like I said,

817
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: I've been you know, when I do interviews it so

818
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty open. But you know, I don't really you know,

819
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: I don't really shy away from talking about being a

820
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: kid and being bullying and how that affected me, and

821
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: how that was went into sort of the idea of

822
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: becoming an actor and pretending to be somebody else, you know,

823
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: because I didn't particularly like who I was, But there

824
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: was nothing I've realized now since there was nothing wrong

825
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: with that person. There's nothing wrong with the person I

826
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: was or who who I am. It's just I felt

827
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: from the way that other people had treated me that

828
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: there was but that was never on me. That was

829
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: on them, you know, And I think, you know, I've

830
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: talked quite a bit, and I've done some stuff for

831
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: bullying charities and stuff like that, and I've talked about

832
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: it a little bit that you know, oftentimes people are

833
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: attacking you because of a deep insecurity and them that

834
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: they want to make it about you, and it's not

835
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: really anything to do with you. You're just the target.

836
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: And it's hard to realize that, and it's hard to

837
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: appreciate that until you spend some time reflecting it and go, well,

838
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: there's never anything wrong with me. I was a good person.

839
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with me. So, you know, stuff like

840
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: that I think is important. But I've talked about it before,

841
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: so that's why I sort of said I'll keep it light.

842
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: But it's just an interesting thing, you know that people

843
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: don't realize. I don't think when they're bullying somebody or

844
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: treating somebody a certain way, people don't well, some people

845
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: probably don't care, but people don't realize the impact. Like

846
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm forty three and I still have deep insecurities from

847
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: stuff that happened when I was ten or eleven, you know,

848
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: and so people don't realize the impact that can have

849
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: on somebody for the rest of their life because they're

850
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: lashing out because of something that's going on with them

851
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: at home or whatever it is. But you know, I

852
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: always think it's so important to especially nowadays with you know,

853
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: social media and people so disengaged from engaging with people.

854
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: I think it's it's important for people to sort of

855
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: it's just be nice. Just treat people nicely. You know,

856
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: say thank you, somebody holds the door open for you,

857
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: say please when you're ordering something at a restaurant. Stuff

858
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: like that I think is so important, and I feel

859
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: we are losing that a little bit because everybody has

860
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: such an expectation of wanting to be treated like a superstar,

861
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: no matter what it is. And you know, I think

862
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: that you have to I think that you should have

863
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: to work hard to to be to be respected, but

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Speaker 2: I think you also need to be respectful of people

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Speaker 2: to get respect. Does that make sense, Yeah, it does,

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Speaker 2: it does.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right on the money. And it's a

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Speaker 1: reminder that is good to put out there. Man. I

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Speaker 1: think you're you're right on with that, and it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a good thing to remind people that kindness and

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Speaker 1: manners are things that are not antiquated. It's it's we

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Speaker 1: still need it today.

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Speaker 2: You know yeah, yeah, I mean it's one thing that

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Speaker 2: drives me absolutely ballistic. It's just a little thing is

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Speaker 2: when you hold the door open and people just walk

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Speaker 2: past you. Mm hmm, Like I don't have to hold

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Speaker 2: the door open for you, but please thank you would

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Speaker 2: be nice.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, Colin, when you come to New York,

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Speaker 1: I will hold the door open for you, and I

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Speaker 1: expect to thank.

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Speaker 2: You good good when we're promoting my album There.

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Speaker 1: We Go, There we Go. This was awesome. I I

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Speaker 1: really really enjoyed this conversation. Like I said earlier, I

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Speaker 1: had so much fun diving into the work that people love,

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Speaker 1: but also just getting to hear more about your story

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Speaker 1: and learn more about Colin and the man behind the

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Speaker 1: characters that people love so much. And I think as

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Speaker 1: an intro you did pretty well. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: you had a good time.

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Speaker 2: I think my cheeks have gone right because I feel

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Speaker 2: really embarrassed. But yeah, I think I think I've had

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Speaker 2: a good time. It's been good. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for having me well, thank.

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Speaker 1: You for hanging out. I am. I am a fan

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Speaker 1: of your work. I look forward to cheering you on.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to the album dropping. The Broadway show

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Speaker 1: coming and whatever else you have up your sleeve.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, all right, man, be well, thanks Tommy.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me, Tommy Didario.

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