1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and I'm not going 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: to stuff I've never told your protection, but I heart radio. 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: I got heart today's question or for this feminis movie Friday. 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: We're talking about two movies that I had never seen 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: but you had. What was it like rewatching them for you? Uh? Yeah? 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: So I really did forget everything about both movies, which 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: are Practical Magic in which is of east Wick? Yes, 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: but I will say for both of them, the fashion 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: alone took me back, and I actually went off on 10 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: which is of east Wick because I'm like, it's back. 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: That fashion is back. What they were wearing they're wearing 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: now and I'm like, holy, what is happening? The fashion 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: was pretty astounding. I, in fact, uh, um, realized that 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I had the shirt Sandra Bullock is wearing and Practical 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Magic when she's like running to this kiss, which by 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: the way, I laughed so hard at that scene, and 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm singing that next time we can have karaoke, um, 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: and she's running in the beginning to her apple. Guy. 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: I had that shirt she was wearing. I owned that 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: in high school. I was gonna say, are you ready 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: for that range? Because faith Hill has a whole different range. 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm probably just going to butcher agreement. Are you going 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: to streament you're gonna at it? Yeah, exactly, exactly. UM. 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, today we're talking about those two movies. Uh 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: and trigger warning for talks of abuse and abusive relationships. 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: Obviously we're not going to get too into the details 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: of that. But if you've seen um these movies, then 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about. Um. Practical Magic is 29 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: getting a prequel on HBO Max called Rules of Magic. UM. 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, accidentally timely and a 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: lot of cases now because all these witchy movies we've 32 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: been talking about are getting some sort of remake or sequel, 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: like The Craft, pocus Pocus The Witches. And by the way, 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: Pocus Focus is now the top grossing movie in theaters. 35 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: In just beat Empire strikes back. People like these witching 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: witchy movies, as say, should it's so good? I will say, uh, 37 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: just throw this out there, which is of Eastwick. I 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: don't see any necessarily remakes. There's kind of like back 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: and forth. But I did see in like the early 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: two thousands or two thousand nine, I believe Rebecca Romaine 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: started in a TV show version of it. Called Eastwick 42 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: did not last long. Apparently. I don't remember this well. 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: If any listeners know I have an information on that 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: show or remember, please right in. Um, so let's get 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: right into it. We're gonna start with Practical Magic. Um. 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: Practical Magic is a rom call. Um. I hesitate to 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: call it that, but I guess that's the closest thing 48 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: it is, starring Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman as sisters 49 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: Sally and Jillian Owens, who yes, are witches. Um. It's 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: based on Alice Hoffman book of the same name. When 51 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: the movie came out, it was hammered by critics. Hammered 52 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: um and entertainment We clear review said it must have 53 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: had a hex on it. Uh. Some declared it anti 54 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: feminist because of the focus on love spells and heterosexual relationships, 55 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: like most of these movies we've been talking about recently. Though, 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: it went on to get a cult following, and it 57 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: was also a rarity for its time, a cast of 58 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: mostly women, where the women were the main characters and 59 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: the men had a little agency, and these women were 60 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: multigenerational women. Um. It really defied genre and it's well loved. Uh. 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: It has a five star rating. On Amazon Prime with 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: almost seven thousand reviews right. This film was directed by 63 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: Griffin Dune, who, by the way, was a lifelong friend 64 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: with Carrie Fishers, who said he understood the movie as 65 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: a story of strong women passing on a legacy generation 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: to generation. And they brought a witch consultant on set 67 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: who demanded a percentage of the movie earnings and an 68 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: additional two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, but when she refused, 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: she lost it. Reportedly, she said, quote, I'm going to 70 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: put a curse on you. I'm putting a curse on 71 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: this movie, and I'm putting a curse on Griffith. Apparently 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: she started speaking in tongues and sued Warner Brothers, and 73 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: the recording of her scared legal so much that they 74 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: just eventually paid her um. And by the way, this 75 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: became the inspiration for one of the most well known 76 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: lines in the film, which is curses only have power 77 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: if you believe in them. And by the way, Griffith 78 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: got a mini exorcism. Yeah, he it was in an 79 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: article with Fulster I believe, and he said he paid 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars for it, and he was like, you know, 81 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: I don't believe it, but I was a nerve us 82 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: enough that why not, doesn't think case? Why would it hurt? Yes? 83 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: Uh So. The plot of this film follows the two sisters, Yeah, 84 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: who were raised by their aunts whom I loved, played 85 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: by Soccer Channing and Diane wat wat Um after the 86 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: death of their parents, as they battle a curse on 87 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: their family that sentences any man and Owen's woman falls 88 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: in love with to death. And this is this curse 89 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: took their parents from them. Their mother died of a 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: heartbreak after her husband was killed by this curse. Uh. 91 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: And it all started after one of their ancestors was 92 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: banished on Maria's Island, Massachusetts, um and she escaped execution. 93 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: She was pregnant. She was waiting for her lover to 94 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: join her. When he didn't, she cast a spell that 95 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: would keep her from ever falling in love again, but 96 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: die soon after her and the spell sort of got 97 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: twisted up into this curse that promises death to any 98 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: man and Owen's woman falls in love with. And it's 99 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: really funny because right away as this is the opening 100 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: scene and I was watching and I was like, this 101 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: music is very very upbeat for what's happening right now? 102 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: And that's something that throughout the film I love is 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: there will be like this really like cheerful music and 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm like that person just died though, right I feel 105 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: like that's with the late nineties, like they want to 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: be dark but not too dark, just a twist. So 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: generations of that carse Later, young Sally casts a tula 108 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: spell to prevent herself from ever falling in love by 109 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: conjuring the perfect man that she believes can't exist obviously, 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: while young Jillian decides she's very much wants to find love. 111 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: By the way, this is very indicative of their characters. 112 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Sally is more serious and Jillian is a bit more 113 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: carefree and out there. Um and as adults, Jillian prepares 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: to move away and insist that the sisters make a 115 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: blood pack that will they will die together as old ladies. 116 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Can we do this? You and I would all right. 117 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: Over the next few years, Sally falls in love with 118 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: a local apple salesman and they have two beautiful daughters, 119 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: one of them being Evan Rachel Woods. Um. Anyway, one day, 120 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Sally wakes up hearing the sound of a death bug, 121 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: the beetle. She doesn't find it in time to prevent 122 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: her husband from being killed by a truck. Sally returns 123 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: to her aunt's home with her daughters and learned they 124 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: cast a spell so that she could fall in love 125 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: and in spots she designs neither she nor her daughters 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: will ever use magic again. And by the way, that's 127 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: all happens in the first ten minutes. Um. Yeah, so 128 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: her aunts sort of they said, they gave her a nudge, 129 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: like a push, and then she ran to this kiss 130 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: playing in the background to meet this apple guy. Um. 131 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, Jillian, Um, she's traveling around the country and uh, 132 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: as Sally put it, like going through a lot of 133 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: men being her care for yourself. And until she meets Jimmy, Um, 134 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: and she she just falls like is so seduced by him, 135 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: so in love with him? Uh, But it becomes clear 136 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: like something is off in this relationship. He really possessive, 137 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: doesn't like her to be out of his sight. Um. 138 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: So she drugs him with Belladonna in his tequila so 139 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: that she can go visit Sally after because she feels 140 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Sally's distress, so she drugs him so she's able to 141 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: get away and visit Sally. And comfort her and provide 142 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: help um. But then she returns to this man that 143 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: she's eating Jimmy until one night Uh. Jillian calls Sally 144 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: and tells her he had hit her and she needs help, 145 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: and Sally immediately goes to get her UM, but Jimmy 146 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: kidnaps both of them at gunpoint UM, and it's pretty 147 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: clear he's going to he's planning on killing Jillian UM. 148 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: So Sally is able to put belladonna in his drink 149 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and accidentally kills him, accidentally overdoses him. They just meant 150 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: to knock him out um. So the sisters are panicking 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: and they attempt to resurrection spell, which is forbidden. But 152 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: after he's revived, he immediately tries to kill Jillian again, 153 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: so Sally kills him again with a frying pan, and 154 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: then they bury him in the family garden, and of 155 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: course he starts to haunt the home. Of course, so 156 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: the aunts leave after putting a protection spell on Sally's 157 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: daughters and instructions that they clean up their own mess. 158 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: Things get even more complicated when an investigator named Gary 159 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: shows up looking into Jimmy's death. He has heard rumors 160 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: about the sister's witchcraft around town, which they don't really 161 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: deny when he asked them about it. He starts to 162 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: suspect Sally is behind Jimmy's disappearance, so Jillian and Sally's 163 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: daughters make a potion to banish him. However, they realized 164 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: that Gary is the person from Sally's True Love spell, 165 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: the one she cast at the beginning of the movie, 166 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: so they get rid of the potion. Sally realizes she's 167 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: in love with Gary. Then Jimmie's spirit possesses Jillian before 168 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: moving on to possess Gary. That Gary's wearing a badge 169 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: and he talks all about like believing in the symbols 170 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: of things, So Jimmy is temporarily exiled. So at this 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: point we see Sally and Gary actually connecting. There is 172 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: a kiss, there's a moment of passion, and this here 173 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: that Sally reveals to Gary that their feelings are probably 174 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: a result of a spell, but Gary disagree, saying that 175 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: the curses are only real if you believe they are um. 176 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: But after he sees all the possessing and the upheaval, 177 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: he goes back to Arizona, conflicted, of course, but we 178 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: see that Jimmy isn't done. He once again possesses Jillian, 179 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: tries to kill Sally. Their aunt's return and agree to 180 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: perform an exorcism because you know, they had a feeling, 181 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: they knew something was happening, and Sally decides to embrace 182 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: her magic to save her sister. She calls on in 183 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: some of the town's women to form a cub and 184 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: to help who all, by the way, we're shaming her 185 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: and her sister, and in front of them the phone 186 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: tree that was so good for the phone tree. So 187 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: but then they're like, you know what this is school, 188 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: let's do this um. And when she sees the verse 189 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: might kill jillians, Sally and the women repeat the oath 190 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: Sally and Jillian made years earlier and forced Jimmy out, 191 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: ending the curse my blood, your blood, our blood remember 192 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: the sandy um and Gay returns to Sally, and the 193 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: movie ends with the sisters celebrating all Hellow's even costume 194 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: welcomed and accepted by the community. And of course they 195 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: jump off the roof flying with umbrellas because dress umbrella thing. 196 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Well oh wait, and there's also brooms I feel but 197 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: they're they're no, no, they don't use them, but they're 198 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: they're Um, and they're dressed like over the top, which 199 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: is And also this has been a rumor that people 200 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: had about them all the time, that they jumped off 201 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: the roof and flew so yes, Um, so that's the plot, 202 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: but there's clearly a lot of themes we've got to 203 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: go over. However, first we must take a quick break 204 00:11:47,000 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 205 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: you sponsored. So we just want to have a discussion 206 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: around some of the big themes in this movie, and 207 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: perhaps the biggest one is family and sisterhood. And I 208 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: feel like we say that in almost every movie we 209 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: talked about with witches. Yeah, so we see this power 210 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: of family among these generations of women of Owen's Women 211 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: and the coven of women coming together at the end 212 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: to cast Jillian's abuse of X out, many of whom 213 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: have been abused by men themselves. UM. I'll be honest 214 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: with you, I'm got a little embarrassed by this, but 215 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: I watched this quite late the first time, and I 216 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: teared up at this scene. I got emotional. All these 217 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: women showed up and they're like, you know what, I've 218 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: had a bad boyfriend. I couldn't get rid of them. 219 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: I'll be here for you. Like they just all came 220 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: to help her. Um. That's all Sally had to say, 221 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I'm a witch, but my sister is 222 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: being abused, like she's had this man. She can't get 223 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: rid of them. Um. And they all all these women 224 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: who Yeah, it's been a lot of the movie making 225 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: fun of them and ridiculing them. Um, they show up. 226 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: They show up, and they do help and they share 227 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: power and it was very I thought it was very moving. Um. 228 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: And then love is clearly at the heart of this movie. 229 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: But not just romantic love, although that is a big 230 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: part of it, but the love between sisters and aunts 231 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: and daughters. UM. Familial love between women, women supporting women. 232 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: And these sisters promised they're going to die together. They're 233 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: going to die as all old ladies together. And that's 234 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: what saves Jillian in the end, is that bond. It 235 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: is and you kind of knew that was going to happen. Um. 236 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: And then here we go with the Margharita saying, which 237 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: is big is the whole potion sing because you see 238 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: them casting a spell essentially, which happens to be in 239 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: the middle of them investigation. UM. And the aunt and 240 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: the sisters like a moment to dance and drink and 241 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: chanted Margharita's, which is a nice little break from the 242 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: pain and the trauma. And I did love the fact 243 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: that it also brought out a lot of truths. Yeah. Yeah, 244 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: well that's one of those things too, is Okay, first 245 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: of all, I did the research. I should stop doing this, 246 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: but I did the research for this movie before I 247 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: um watched it, and everyone mentioned the margarite to scene 248 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is this scene? Like it's 249 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: in every article and if you don't know, it's like 250 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: they wake up, the sisters wake up and they're like 251 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: midnight Margaret it is, and then they all kind of 252 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: dance around and that that coconut song is playing, and 253 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: then yeah, they kind of call each other's names at 254 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: the table. But it's in that way where you can 255 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: do that with someone who's related to you or someone 256 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: you care about that, but you won't stand for someone 257 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: else to do that. And you see that throughout the 258 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: movie too, um, which is is really beautiful. It is 259 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: by the way it's ended with Jimmy suppressive abusive shadow 260 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: ruins it. This whole moment that they had with the Margarita. 261 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: And it's also kind of a support and casasis among 262 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: the women again, like we were saying that it does. 263 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: They are able to call each other out and let 264 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: each other know, Hey, this is what you're doing, this 265 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: is how you're looking at the same time out of love. Yeah, 266 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: and it's it's so sad because they were doing this 267 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: as a healing moment and then still that presence of 268 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: this abusive man ruins it. Um. Which is a theme 269 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: that comes back a lot, and we'll talk about that too. Um. 270 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: There's also this whole the thread throughout of a woman's 271 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: love condemning a man to death. Is it better to 272 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: have loved and lost the danger of loving someone, whether 273 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: that is loss or heartbreak or abuse. We kind of 274 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: see all of these prisms of how love can hurt 275 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: and what can happen. Um. And there are criticisms that 276 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: this still paints falling in love with a man as 277 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: the most important thing. I mean, I'm watching it. I 278 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: think that might have been for perhaps the intended point, 279 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: but that's not what I saw. I saw the sisters 280 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: of the most important thing, and that dude. I was 281 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: just kind of like, go away. I'm more interested in 282 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: this he does seem to be an afterthought. To be fair, 283 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: he does a lot of the male characters do. UM. 284 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: And then if you look at Sally blaming the curse 285 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: for all of her misery and not really seeing how 286 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: lucky she is to have all the women in her life, 287 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: at least she gets to that point definitely, But also 288 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: many point out that she's that's a really low bar 289 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: for the perfect man in the beginning, because she's like, 290 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: he must sit flip pancakes and have a blue eye 291 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: and a green eye and like things like that. Yeah, 292 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe the message is a lot of women 293 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: do or if that's what you think, because she was 294 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: eleven or so when she cast that spell, so you know, 295 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: what are you going to say? Um? And to the 296 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: fact that the ants try to get her to follow 297 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: in love, it's just something a lot of women who 298 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: at some point but in their life been single at 299 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: a family event can relate to UM. And you know, 300 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: just this idea that you can have happily ever after 301 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: without a man and without romantic love as as a woman. 302 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: We see that with the Ants, who I love all 303 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: the takes on their relationship that I read. But you 304 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: know that that message is still pretty there that you 305 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: what you want is to fall in love with a man, 306 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: right obviously, or sometimes the fact that sometimes falling in 307 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: love with a man is too hard and just let 308 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: it be. Kidman character. As we talked about Jimmy as 309 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: the ultimate bad boyfriend abusive situation. Even after his death, 310 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: he lingers, I'm willing to let her go um, just 311 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: like trauma. And by the way, of course, this was 312 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: a really big bad dude. He wasn't just abusive, he 313 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: was actually a murderer. He's a sound like a serial killer. 314 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: So there's at um and the depiction of abuse and 315 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: though why don't you just leave and the danger of 316 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: leaving preventing from moving on, And I did like films 317 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: like this does make me angry because it does put 318 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: women at fault when self defense and every single bottle 319 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: of the situation. He was trying to kill people, so 320 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: the only way they could stop him, like he was 321 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: about to brand her and took her to death, and 322 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: they poisoned him to make him leave her alone. And 323 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: then when he came back to life and she's smacking 324 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: them with the skillet. I see all that self defense obviously, 325 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: but everybody's like hiding as of it, like I murder 326 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: someone and yet that's not really true, is it. Whatever, 327 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: many other men are depicted in varying degrees of danger. 328 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: They caused two women, obviously, whether it's they're gonna be 329 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: told on or whether it's going to be murder. Yeah, 330 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I do think it was a pretty Again, 331 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this was intentional, but I thought 332 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: it was a pretty good depiction of like trauma and abuse, 333 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: and um, the danger of leaving, because that's when he 334 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: tried to kill her, um, and how it just lingers 335 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: in it. Some days it's better than others. Um. I 336 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: thought that was pretty pretty compelling. Um. Another theme of this, 337 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: of course, is the strength of independent women. UM. The 338 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: Aunts are ridiculed for being middle Middle Asian unmarried, and 339 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: we do see like the women's power being dismissed as 340 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: something that ostracizes them or is more of a hindrance 341 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: than anything else, like Sally saying, you know, I have 342 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: all these powers, but I'm not going to use them. Um. 343 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: But it's so refreshing to see the Aunts to be 344 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: totally uncaring of what people think of them. I know 345 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: one of them in the beginning, she says normal is 346 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily a virtue, it rather denotes a lack of courage. 347 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: And then at the end, when um all of the 348 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: women from the Phone Trees show up to help Jillian. Uh, 349 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: one of the aunts says, there's a little witch and 350 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: all of us. Um, so just these you know, strong 351 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: independent women. Not I loved it. I loved it, be 352 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: like whatever. Um And then yeah, just this whole theme 353 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: of like trauma and I know that, Like right away 354 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: you think of Jillian because she went through this abusive relationship, 355 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: but also for Sally because she lost her husband. There's 356 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: like grief the process of that and the exhaustion of 357 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: all of that, and how healing isn't a direct path 358 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: and it goes in different ways and seeing this family 359 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 1: support each other through that, Um, it was really lovely. 360 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: M you watched it a lot. I watched it three times. 361 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: I love like this is a lot like Caroline from Uh, 362 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: you know, a lady like this is one of her 363 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: favorite movies do and unlike this is so udn'tlike her? 364 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah that she but she loves this movie and talked 365 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: about that before too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I can 366 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: totally see why so many people find like comfort in it. 367 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: And I read so many lovely stories from people who 368 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: are like, why did they love this? And they'll say, 369 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, uh, just every time that I feel it 370 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: makes me feel good to see these women putting other 371 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: women first and supporting other women, and um, getting a 372 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: mark margharitat midnight every time they watch it or whatever, 373 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: like it's just we need to try that tradition, don't we. 374 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: I got a margarite and I was like, oh, is 375 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: this a Margarite to scene? I paused it and I 376 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: got it was lovely. Um, yeah, so I I I'm 377 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: definitely going to add that to my Halloween watch list, 378 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: which is already huge. So that's saying something. But for now, okay, 379 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: let's pivot and talk about The Witches of east Wick. Um, 380 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: and I want to start right off the bat with 381 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: the Amazon Prime definition. So again, I've never seen this 382 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: movie and I really didn't know what it was about. 383 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: Click on the Amazon Prime page. Here's the description. The 384 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: Witches in quotes are three modern day women looking for 385 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: Mr Wright in a quaint New England town full of 386 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: Mr Upticks. And I was like, what is this movie? 387 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: What is Samantha got me into? I think I texted. 388 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're in for a doozy. Yeah, 389 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: because I I know I said it in our Heather's episode. Um, 390 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson really freaks me out and he unsettles me 391 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: and like he oh, oh pete Jack Nicholson, And I 392 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: felt bad because the first time I saw him was 393 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: like not good looking his hair, what was going on 394 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: with his hair? Well, he did unsettle me, so good job, um, 395 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 1: and I did want to just throw in here. One 396 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: of the first things I noticed was that the three 397 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: main women, you have the redhead, the blonde, brunette, and 398 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: then the babies at the end of the same yeah. Yeah. 399 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: And so by the way, there's a couple of columns 400 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: that speak to that, but the fact that yes, they're 401 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: all these differentiations, but also they're all the similar to 402 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: they're almost the same and except for the hair colors. Yeah. 403 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: So this movie was directed by the famed Australian director 404 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: George Miller, who also did Mad Max and apparently did 405 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Babe and several other I'm like okay um And according 406 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: to Ron Tomatoes, the critics still like it and it 407 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: still holds up, though not as well as Practical Magic 408 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: obviously doesn't. Critics still don't like practical Magic. Well. This 409 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: was pitched as a dark comedy with the heavy tone 410 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: of the plights of women versus men. This is a 411 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: John Updike book and was a pretty big film. There 412 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: are many different opinions on this movie, many different, though 413 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: most were very excited by the stars that it cast. 414 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: One review stated, written in twenty nineteen, by the way, 415 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: which is well over thirty years after the initial release, 416 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: up Dikes long deadly dull misogynist tract is transformed into 417 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: an entertaining, generally mes adrast film. So like okay, then wow, 418 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: all right. Well, as far as the plot of this movie, 419 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: this nineties seven movie based on the book features as 420 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: this all sarcasties of share Susan Srandon, Michelle Phiffer, Jack Nicholson. Um. 421 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: We see these three manless friends coming together in a 422 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: small town of Eastwick. You've got Alexandra or alex the 423 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: brunette share Um, who is an artist and a single 424 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: mother of a teenage girl. You've got Jane the Redhead 425 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: played by Susan Srandon, who is recently divorced, a music teacher. 426 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: And Suki the Blonde, who is a local journalist played 427 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: by Michelle Pheiffer, also divorced with five children. Yes, um, 428 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: and after getting together in which they have I guess 429 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: a girl's night of Martini's. I think, yeah, yeah, I 430 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: mean they definitely had the whole thing. Geez was all 431 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: of that in which they talk about how they're so 432 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: on satisfied without being with not having a man, or 433 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: at least their ideas of the perfect men, and then 434 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: actually do continue to debate about why they always talk 435 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: about men when they get together, um, and about how 436 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: they're despatisfied and living in a quiet, boring town. Um. 437 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: Flashed to the next day and they get the news 438 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 1: of a mystery man coming into the small town, and 439 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: of course our mystery man named Darryl van Horne played 440 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: by the very on brand Jack Nicholson, who comes into 441 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: town buying the local history landmark, the Lenox Mansion. Um. 442 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: And however, the mere mention of his name before you 443 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: actually meet him not only makes you clutch your pearls, 444 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: but they completely fall off, literally causing a horrendous accident 445 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: to befall the community. Religious woman Felicia, who was not 446 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: too pleased to hear of the new resident. And though 447 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: she was seen as overbearing and shrill was was right 448 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: about the type of the devil was coming into town. 449 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: I was like, what is her deal? Not because I 450 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: thought she was wrong, I just was confused. Um. And 451 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: also I can't remember her name, but she plays she's 452 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: an alien. She plays the freaks out an alien as well. 453 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: Her name is Veronica Cartwright. Oh yeah, yeah, Veronica carry yeah. 454 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. She was not happy about what was going on. 455 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: And her husband, by the way, is Richard Jenkins, who 456 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: was in Kevin in the Woods. Oh yeah, that's right. Um, 457 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: so okay. At this point, we see the awakening of 458 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: the ladies powers as they make things happen, such as, um, 459 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: a lovely game of angry levitating tennis. I know, if 460 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, it's probably as weird as you imagine. UM. 461 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: As they start accepting and enjoying their new realized powers, 462 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: the women all continue in relationships, sharing in a relationship 463 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: where they share the very a horny devil, which is 464 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: a line from the movie. Um yeah, that will come 465 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: back too often. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. But 466 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: the movie takes a dark turn as the town starts 467 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: to whisper of all the bad things happening at the 468 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: Lennox mansion and the three women, so much so that 469 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: it is in the local newspaper thanks to yes this 470 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: religious woman Felicia. Felicia, who seems to be cursed with 471 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: visions of Darryl's evil plot Um becomes a target because 472 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: of this and begins to throw she starts to bombit 473 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: cherry pits. And this is all happening like it's interspersed 474 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: with the scene where we see the three women eating 475 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: cherries UM and start there talking about her and how 476 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: they wish she would go away UM. So it's implied 477 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: that they are doing this without realizing it to Felicia UM. 478 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: And as she continues to just really spew these cherry 479 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: pits everywhere and she's talking about her visions, her husband 480 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: kills her with a fire poker and then sits down 481 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: and sort of like, well, that's that time, calling you nis. 482 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: It was a very odd scene and uh is at 483 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: this point that Suki realizes they had something to do 484 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: with Felicia's death. And after an argument that causes by 485 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the way the earth below them that they're standing on 486 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: to crack, they all run away and stay away from 487 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: each other and Darryl, which, by the way, he's not 488 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: take very well. After much effort in trying to win 489 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: them back, decided to pitch a fit, which meant causing 490 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: each woman's worst fear to come true, including Jane growing old, 491 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Alex having steaky Crawley creature things on her in the 492 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: middle of the night, and Sukie dying of violent death. 493 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: And as let ladies gather around poor Suki because she 494 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: is suffering at this point in the hospital, they realize 495 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: so they're discussing that they're all pregnant with Darryll's children. Yep. Uh. 496 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: So with this this knowledge uh and Suky's life at risk, 497 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: um Alex goes to meet up with Darrell to strike 498 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: a deal to go back show the way things were 499 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: for all of them as one big, happy family. All 500 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: of them get healed up, they're ready to go. They 501 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: come together for a celebratory night, and the following morning, 502 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: the ladies send Darrel out for bagels and ice cream. 503 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Sounds lovely, but unbeknowns to Darryll, the ladies come together 504 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: to curse him out of their lives. Um. They make 505 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: a good old fashioned voodoo doll to cast him out, 506 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: which did have some very excellent eighties special effects. Um, 507 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: and uh, that whole sequence does. And they all come 508 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: together with their newborn sons and the rest of the 509 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: family to live at the Lenox Mansion together the end 510 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: or is it? Or is it? I think so? So 511 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack here, but first we're gonna 512 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: fall for one more quick break for word from our sponsor, 513 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Yeah. So, we definitely 514 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: wanted to hit on some themes, and we're not getting 515 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: in too many themes with this one because a there's 516 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot of like back and forth in conversation of 517 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: what is it? Is it pro or anti feminism first 518 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: and foremost? And also it was during the eighties liberal 519 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: feminism or equal equal feminism, right before the third wave, 520 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: so it's kind of in this median yeah level of feminism. 521 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, okay, so what is this 522 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: actually trying to say? Um. But one of the things 523 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: that we did want to talk about is of course 524 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: motherhood and singleness, which is very much hit on. UM. 525 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that something that goes hand in hand. 526 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: We don't usually see that as a big conversation as 527 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: much as like, oh you know she needs to be 528 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: a mother, she wants to be a mother, blah blah blah, 529 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: but so much more that they are single mothers typically 530 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: and are okay. Uh And in this movie we see 531 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: heavy emphasis on that as single parents and but a 532 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: little differently for Jane specifically, it's that she has an 533 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: inability to have children. And there's a kind of like 534 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: a breakdown of her struggle. Right yeah. Um. And not 535 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: only do we witness the women struggling to find their 536 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: footing and being a single parent or not, but we 537 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: see their desires to not be defined by it. Um. 538 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: It's almost as if the children are merely there's decoration. Um. 539 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: It's clearly implied that like Suki's husband left him, left 540 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: her because she had five kids, which also so did you, buddy. 541 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't even know about their relationship because 542 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: it's just mentioned and I'm getting mad. But she says 543 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: that to Darryl at one point, she's like, Hey, you 544 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: don't really want a relationship with me because I will 545 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: get pregnant. Like she just says that, yeah she does. 546 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: Uh um. Yeah. And it's not ever made super clear 547 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: where the children are when the ladies are We're partying, 548 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: which you know, they should have a ladies night out. 549 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: But I remember thinking that several times, and I'm like, 550 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: who's watching these kids right now? Uh? And you know 551 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: the kids you show up here and there. But uh, 552 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: Suki does make it look easy to do these things. 553 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: She's clearly stressed entired at point, but yeah, we don't 554 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: really see that side of motherhood. Um. And then yeah, 555 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: you you have on top of that, Darryl's devious goal 556 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: of impregnating all the women with sons, which he did right, Yeah, 557 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: and whatever that point is. And by the way, Felicia 558 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: predicts that at the beginning of the movie that he's 559 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: coming to make sons and so whatever that might be, 560 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: that he needed to extend himself into the world. And 561 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: that's a whole other conversation. But then because the women 562 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: get rid of him, they become single parents together. It 563 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: was just kind of like an, Okay, this is interesting, 564 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think. I was trying to think, 565 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: and I stopped paying attention to it, and I should have. 566 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure this movie passes the beach deal test. 567 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't. Actually, someone stated it doesn't. It was pretty sure. 568 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: I was like always talking about dudes. I'm like, I 569 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: don't actually know what the Buck Dol test is, but 570 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: I realized I didn't. I hear all the time, but 571 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: I've never actually looked it up. It's it was kind 572 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: of a joke. So, I mean, even if a movie 573 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: doesn't pass, doesn't necessarily mean it's a anti women or whatever, 574 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: but it's it has to be more than one female character. 575 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: They have to talk to each other, not about men criteria. Okay, 576 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: so wow, I should have known that one. Thanks for 577 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: educating me. But yeah, no, So according to one article, 578 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it said it did not pass the Beach Dold test, 579 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: so it was a conversation. But another theme with this 580 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: is sexuality and power and again not necessarily SUSTAINCT. But 581 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: we see here that the women grow more powerful as 582 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: they explore and embrace the sexuality. Now is it because 583 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: of those sexual well they're powerful or is it their 584 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: sexuality building up their confidence? So it's kind of that 585 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: hands like, which is what um I would say the latter, 586 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: but that's just me. As they continue to grow, even 587 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: after the destruction of the devilish Darryll, they still continue 588 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: to grow in the power. So, as one article states 589 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: of the women, quote It is refreshing to see them 590 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: discussing their erotic desires and experiencing sexual pleasure, which is 591 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: evident at the beginning of the movie and towards the 592 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: end that they kind of just continue to grow, but 593 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily because of sex and because they're enjoying that, 594 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: but they're just confident as women that maybe they're growing 595 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: in their power. Right. Um. However, all this is quickly 596 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: turned on them as they are slut shamed by the 597 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: town and community. The movie pushes the everly lingering theme 598 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: of women, sex and shame, but in a narrative that 599 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: pushes the viewered. It pushes it to the viewer to 600 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: see the ladies as victims of a very bullying, stuffy town. 601 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: So you're meant as the viewer to side with the 602 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: women against the slut shaming, right. Yeah, of course, we 603 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: can't talk about sex and power in this movie without 604 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: talking about Darrell himself, even though most of the characters 605 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: talked about the fact he wasn't handsome, and yes, when 606 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: Share gives him that dressing down was like hell yeah girl, 607 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: And then she had sex with him and I was like, 608 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: should I feel mad at her? Like if she wants 609 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: to have sex. Do it. But I'm so like, yes, 610 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: tear him down. She's like, here's the ugliest thing. You're 611 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: just so stupid, like just but anyway, Um, yeah, his 612 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: name is even mocked, like so much about him is ridiculed. Um, 613 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: but apparently he had appeal. People were into him. There 614 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: was something about him. Um. As the elderly shopwoman said, 615 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: I found myself thinking thoughts I haven't thought since World 616 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: War Two. I actually blushed. Yeah, it was kind of 617 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: like a hunk. And this was before we actually introduced 618 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: to him, even though we know who he is because 619 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: it's a famous movie. Um and and he is. As 620 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: an article title, the Devil is a Boy states uh 621 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: is a kind of guy who takes gender study courses 622 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: just to hit on women, A skeezie altbro who uses 623 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: disingenuous wokeness as a buff for disarming sexual conquest, which 624 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: I thought was the perfect thing. His column was fantastic. 625 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, um, and we see him 626 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: play this out in his subduction of all three women, 627 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: whether it's condescendingly using it to bed the women or 628 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: to make them feel inferior. He uses every tactic to 629 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: prove his masculinity and confidence with his fake I'm a feminist, 630 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: see yeah, yeah, I mean he starts with Alexandra being like, oh, 631 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: women are the best. I wish I was a woman, 632 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: but then so much better. Men treat them terribly. Marriage 633 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: is bad for women than by the andies in the church, 634 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: like God made women to punish us. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. 635 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: So we do see this flip when he's when he's 636 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: rejected and he screams that they deserted him, like and 637 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: I mean as women and we've all been there, right, 638 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: like the rejection. We've talked about this um and he 639 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: plots to torture and punished them for hurting his pride. 640 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: And then yeah, that the monologue at the church where 641 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, women, that their creation was a mistake. 642 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: He curses their existence. And as Margaret Atwood commented about 643 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: the book, what a culture has to say about Witchcraft, 644 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: whether in jest or in earnest, has a lot to 645 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: do with its views of sexuality and power, and especially 646 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: with the apportioning of powers between the sexes. Right, I mean, 647 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, oh, it's flipped. Now, this 648 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: is bad. As where sexuality for women was good now 649 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: that rejecting him is bad. And it's definitely this whole level, 650 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: and as we see in many of which conversations, this 651 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: is the big, big thing. And though this same is 652 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: obvious and the actual purpose and whether it is a 653 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: statement for the pros of women's sexuality or more of 654 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: a side eye towards the level of toxic male sexuality, 655 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: but as that same marticle says, it's not so much 656 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: about trying to understand as much as it is quote 657 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: a very real examination of toxic masculinity and sexual power 658 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: dynamics couched deliciously within occult ambiguity. Yeah, that was one 659 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: thing I was like, Wait, they weren't like which is 660 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: I I was used to seeing in movies right, which, 661 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: by the way, they never claimed themselves as witches and 662 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: they never claimed themselves Yeah yeah interesting um. And then 663 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: another theme again is sisterhood and female friendship. But like 664 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: practical magic and many of these which in occult movies 665 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: we've talked about, friendship and sisterhood is heavily placed within 666 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: this movie. Though a small level of competition did exist, 667 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: we see the ladies pull through and help each other 668 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: defeat their honey demon that Darrel but you know what, unfortunately, 669 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: as of Vulture article stated in a more pessimistic view, 670 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: whether it was intended or not, it's also a movie 671 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: that illustrates that, for various reasons, even smart, strong women 672 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: sometimes cannot immediately summon the hocus pocus they want or 673 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: need to make a guy like that disappear, which is 674 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: sad but also true. And that is how it is. 675 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: Is he comes back, yeah, to talk to the children, 676 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: even though they turned the TV off. You know, they're 677 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: like ha ha, but they seem really gone. Yeah, yeah, 678 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: And I mean they were having a discussion about like 679 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: missing him and do you want him back? Um, and 680 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I think it might just 681 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: be my Jack Nicholson thing. But I was so like, 682 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: just get rid of this guy. He's fair, you're not 683 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: supposed to like him. Everything about them Eskeevie, Sure it is, Yeah, 684 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: And I mean that that really resonated me with me 685 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: that article you mentioned where they describe like his sort 686 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: of pick up vibe and seeing him do it with 687 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: each of them in different ways that you know it 688 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: will work or what will be most likely to work. 689 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: And you know, again, if they're having sex, they enjoy 690 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: then scenting adult sex, they enjoy go for it, but 691 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: that guy, oh, he's the worst, isn't interesting? Yeah? And then, 692 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: like you said, it doesn't pass the Bechdel tests. And 693 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: so I was kind of like, huh, so was this 694 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: a good movie or was this an insulting movie? Or 695 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: what was George Miller? And of course John Updyke has 696 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: gotten a pretty bad reputation as of late in his 697 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: stance in his representation of women in general. So the 698 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: question is, what was the point of this movie. I 699 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: just enjoyed it. Come on, Shares, suss Randa, Michelle Peiffer, 700 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: what did you think about this movie? Well, you've got 701 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: some of my very heated exchange text messages. It was 702 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: definitely not at all what I thought it was going 703 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: to be. UM and I think coming from my more 704 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: modern since I'm watching it kind of out of its time. 705 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, but I was confused as to it's 706 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: like messaging um and But it actually made me ask 707 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: myself some questions about why I was responding the way 708 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: I was responding. UM Again, like when I was so 709 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: mad at Share for getting with them, and I was like, 710 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: but you know, she had just been saying she wanted 711 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: to have sex, like it doesn't have to be more 712 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: than that, if you know, so I did. It made 713 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: me examine some things and I definitely think both of 714 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: these are worth watching, um as a feminist, and it 715 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: will make you think about some interesting things, right. It 716 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: definitely has a lot of like what just happened? Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay, 717 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Um yeah, So I actually recommend both of 718 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: them if you hadn't seen them, I did prefer Practical Magic, 719 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: but um, I think they were both worth watching. Uh. 720 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just these it's fascinating to see these 721 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: themes of of womanhood and sisterhood and in these movies 722 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: about which is um And clearly you know there's still 723 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean that goes without saying. But they're not perfect 724 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: films by any stretch. Um. They are mostly white, and 725 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: there is a lot of heterosexual just like normativity imposed 726 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: on Like I kept thinking, like, would it be great 727 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: in Practical Magic one of them had been by or 728 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: lesbian or something, and it's like that man curse forget. 729 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that, right, Um, So there's that, 730 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: But I do recommend them. Yes, they get our thumbs 731 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: up and then send us all of your thoughts on them. 732 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: I would love I would started more discussion around both 733 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: of these movies. You can email us at Stuff Media, 734 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at I heart media dot com. 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