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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pellet. Stocks of paired losses. The SMP five

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Speaker 1: the U. S economy. Oil has been fluctuating up now

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Speaker 1: by nine tenths of one percent of forty one cents

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Speaker 1: one point seven six percent. I'm Charlie Pellett, and that's

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Speaker 1: a Bloomberg Business flash. Your something to taking stock with

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Hayes and Pim Box on Bloomberg Radio. The Bank

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Speaker 1: of England, a rate decision, an upcoming vote on whether

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Speaker 1: to remain part of the European Union, all issues that

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Speaker 1: investors must taken to consideration and to get more perspective,

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Speaker 1: we have Karen Mullhall. He is the chief investment officer

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Speaker 1: at the Dublin based Global Reach Securities, joining us now.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for being with us. Begin by

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Speaker 1: giving us your thoughts about the Bank of England being

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Speaker 1: drawn into the debate about whether the United Kingdom should

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Speaker 1: remain part of the European Union. Yes, good afternoon, Tim.

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Speaker 1: Football is well in New York. Yes, and we had

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Speaker 1: to put an interesting Bank of England at meeting today

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Speaker 1: where it looks like Mark Arney, the head of the

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Speaker 1: Bank of England, has finally got dragged into the brit

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Speaker 1: exit debase in Europe and they've been trying to sort

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Speaker 1: of stay reasonably neutral and I think unfortunately with the

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Speaker 1: modestly magnificant slowdown we've seen in the UK economy over

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Speaker 1: the last six seven weeks, and he felt it was

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Speaker 1: probably time to maybe highlight some of the downside risks

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Speaker 1: that would be associated with the UK voting to leave

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Speaker 1: the European Union, and I particularly I suspect amongst the

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Speaker 1: newspapers in at the UK tomorrow the mention of the

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Speaker 1: r words recession was said for the first time, and

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Speaker 1: he suggested that there would be some likelihood under certain

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Speaker 1: situation you could see the UK economy for them to

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Speaker 1: a recession later this year, if indeed they vote to

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Speaker 1: leave and in their referendum later in June. Is it

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Speaker 1: your analysis that that's an accurate depiction of what would

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Speaker 1: happen to the British And yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think

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Speaker 1: that the I think that the we've we've seen that

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Speaker 1: we've seen a fairly material slowdown just with the uncertainty

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Speaker 1: of what would be associated with the referendum coming out

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Speaker 1: US in a few weeks time. And I would suspect,

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Speaker 1: you know that the likelihood is is that that the

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Speaker 1: shock that such a decision to leave would have um

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Speaker 1: people would be, you know, somewhat nervous about investing. You know,

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Speaker 1: the various trade deals et cetera that would have to

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Speaker 1: be renegotiated, and you know, all would suggest a slower

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Speaker 1: outlook for growth and and you know, it's not like

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Speaker 1: the UK economy has been growing at sort of three

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Speaker 1: You know, in in a broadly low growth environment, any

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Speaker 1: of those kind of shocks that would that that would

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Speaker 1: any kind of shock that comes at you can easily

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Speaker 1: tip you into the interfession, even if it's only a

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Speaker 1: short lived one. How do you characterize the British economy

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Speaker 1: right now? Give us the details if you can. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it had been one of the best of the o

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Speaker 1: one of the larger negatives associated with with a vote

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Speaker 1: to leave would be that we would have a situation

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Speaker 1: where Sterling would weaken quite materially, and given Sterling its

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Speaker 1: already weakened significantly in the last few weeks, um would

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Speaker 1: from from the Bank of England's point of view, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of the UK, Prime Minister David Cameron,

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Speaker 1: I mean he has worked through a renegotiation of Britain's

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Speaker 1: And I think and and to be honest with you him,

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Speaker 1: I like the book He's over here if you if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for odds on on the referendum, and the

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Speaker 1: bookies are about seventy five percent, stay go. And I

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Speaker 1: the opinion posed. And I think that that the broader

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Speaker 1: what Cameron was they able to achieve in terms of

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Speaker 1: renegotiating the overall their overall relationship with Europe, but also

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Speaker 1: as well maybe some of the downside risks associated with leaving.

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Speaker 1: And I think when I spoke with you in March,

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about some Sterling strength, and

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Speaker 1: we have noticed Sterling over the last particularly over the

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Speaker 1: last three or four weeks, begin to trengthen a little

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Speaker 1: bit now, particularly against the euro coming back from above

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Speaker 1: eight down towards the seventy seven seventy eight area. And

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Speaker 1: at our base case, would would would remain that the

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Speaker 1: likelihood is that it's going to be a stay, a

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Speaker 1: vote to stay, and that you know, like the US,

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Speaker 1: the the UK, if we can get past this, will

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Speaker 1: probably re accelerate in the second half of the year.

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Speaker 1: And to be honest again Carney, Carney would have been

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Speaker 1: highlighting that that that that that a vote to stay

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Speaker 1: and and and no shock to the UK economy should

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Speaker 1: lead to you know, back the trend growth at some

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Speaker 1: the with the Bank of England will probably move on

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Speaker 1: with a vote, let's say to stay in the European

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Speaker 1: Union on June the twenty three, at that national referendum

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Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. If the vote is to stay,

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Speaker 1: will that change the carr of the current Conservative Tory government.

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Speaker 1: Um No, where I don't think certainly often the short

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Speaker 1: be certainly that think the's three or four prominent cabinet

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Speaker 1: what tends to happen in these situations is there have

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Speaker 1: do some sort of cabinet reshuffle and that might We've

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Speaker 1: got to leave it there. Karen Mohall, he is the

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Speaker 1: Chief investment Officer at the Dublin based Global Reach Securities.

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Speaker 1: On the United Kingdom and the referendum for the European

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Speaker 1: Union coming up on taking stock, will be speaking with

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Speaker 1: David Novak. He is the founder of Oh Great One,

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Speaker 1: but he also happens to be the co founder of

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Speaker 1: Young Brands we've got details on his new book and

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Speaker 1: recognizing employees