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Speaker 4: It's a Tuesday, a never tired Tuesday. Here inside the
Speaker 4: SWBC podcast studio. Well, one of us is tapped out.
Speaker 4: One of us is too tired to play today. That
Speaker 4: would be Everson, and so we got Nate and Frisco
Speaker 4: in the house instead. Hello, Nate, Hey, how are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get this show going. I'm I
Speaker 2: am so lost. I am I am. I need Mick
Speaker 2: of Mixed Shots to put me back on the.
Speaker 4: Give us some perspective, Mickey, what do you need?
Speaker 2: I am lost?
Speaker 4: Before we go there, Before we go there? You do
Speaker 4: understand where I went with that on? Ever since tapping out?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 4: You saw Anthony Richardson, the Indianapolis quarterback.
Speaker 2: Don't don't bring that up.
Speaker 4: Okay, No, he tapped.
Speaker 5: Out, He tapped out.
Speaker 4: He was don't mind ever since tapped out because he's tired.
Speaker 4: Don't tired of me? That's why he tapped it.
Speaker 5: I saw the headline and I didn't read it. I
Speaker 5: just said tired.
Speaker 2: He it was smart on his The reason I say
Speaker 2: for him it was smart ye because even when he's fresh,
Speaker 2: he's apt to throw interception.
Speaker 4: So Joe Flacco came in and handed it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that's amazing about this kid, he was
Speaker 2: a second day pick. He came to the combine and
Speaker 2: lit up the combo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying, before the combine he would have been
Speaker 4: a second day pitch.
Speaker 2: So now he moves himself up into top four, the
Speaker 2: top four, and instead of the owner saying, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: going to draft this guy and we're going to give
Speaker 2: him a chance to grow, no, put him in there.
Speaker 4: Do what Andy Reid did with Patrick Mahomes is what
Speaker 4: they should have done.
Speaker 5: With Did they watch his college stuff?
Speaker 4: No, he had a LOWKI. He didn't complete fifty percent
Speaker 4: of his passes in college either.
Speaker 5: He was running all the time.
Speaker 2: No, I did not watch his He is an impressive guy.
Speaker 4: He's an impressive athlete.
Speaker 5: He's an impressive athlete person.
Speaker 4: He's impressive and interviews and stuff. He's very impressive. And
Speaker 4: so was Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes sat for a
Speaker 4: season and then became Patrick Mahomes is. Patrick Mahomes had
Speaker 4: a whole lot more on his resume coming out of
Speaker 4: Texas Tech than what Anthony Richardson did.
Speaker 2: That is a difference than a coach standing on what
Speaker 2: is right, standing on what is right, you assess a kid.
Speaker 2: It's no way the scouts, the head coach, and the
Speaker 2: head of personnel. The guy that has Will McClay position
Speaker 2: is not saying, coach, look at this guy. He's not ready.
Speaker 2: We cannot get him ready for NFL season. Some guys
Speaker 2: you cannot throw in there. He did not play well in.
Speaker 4: College, and especially because his first instinct is gonna be
Speaker 4: to run the football when things go haywire. And just
Speaker 4: like what Jerry said on the radio this morning, he
Speaker 4: didn't want his quarterback. When quarterbacks running this league, they
Speaker 4: get hurt. And that's what's happened.
Speaker 2: Here when they're not Anthony Richardson, is when they're not smart.
Speaker 5: Do I need to bring up Jaden Daniels. You're gonna
Speaker 5: run that much, Chances are you're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 2: And he's gonna learn because he's much smarter. Yes, and
Speaker 2: I'm hoping the head coach is saying, you know what,
Speaker 2: I understand, I'm gonna put up in front like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: got gonna run, but don't you run that ball? And
Speaker 2: I even during this game out like that, just take off.
Speaker 2: But he's all, we got to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: Dak is all we got. We we don't have a
Speaker 2: run game. Forget it. We don't have a run game.
Speaker 2: Not because the running backs can't run because my head coach,
Speaker 2: who I want to stay ahead coach, won't run the ball.
Speaker 2: Coach McCarthy, I'm the only friend you got. I love
Speaker 2: you run the ball.
Speaker 4: And they were running the ball against age. I mean
Speaker 4: zeke A at third quarter his stats we're seven carries
Speaker 4: for thirty five yards, yes, five yards of carry, but
Speaker 4: he only had seven carries.
Speaker 5: Right well, and then they got impatient because they started
Speaker 5: falling behind, and it's like, okay, we got to throw
Speaker 5: the ball.
Speaker 2: What is behind into Okay, I can boldly say twenty
Speaker 2: points in the NBA is nothing.
Speaker 4: You have to be down thirty third, twenty nothing round.
Speaker 2: Now you consider that one San.
Speaker 4: Francisco did in the third quarter, a twenty one nothing run.
Speaker 4: That happens every night in the NBA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So now I know twenty points down is behind
Speaker 2: in the NBA. In the NFL, is three points considered behind?
Speaker 5: That youo far behind that twenty seven is okay? But
Speaker 5: I mean when it's twenty seven to ten.
Speaker 2: Ten to thirteen, I'm saying, what score dictates? Is it ten?
Speaker 2: Is it fourteen? When you're fourteen? Do you come out
Speaker 2: just winging it? Is it ten? Or is it just
Speaker 2: decided by your defense? So we're so scared that our
Speaker 2: defense is never going to stop a team to three points?
Speaker 2: Is when we just give up on the run. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. I'm lost.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we can go back and look at
Speaker 4: that third quarter?
Speaker 2: Yes? Can we do that? Make on your show? Can
Speaker 2: we do that? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 4: San Francisco took the lead at thirteen to ten after
Speaker 4: the first drive of the third quarter?
Speaker 2: Stop stop? Okay? Does that constitute coming out throwing? Mick?
Speaker 2: Don't ignore me here?
Speaker 5: No, No, you're good okay.
Speaker 4: Ten, So tell me you had the penalty on the
Speaker 4: kickoff that for the illegal forward pass that sets you
Speaker 4: back here at your own eleven yard line. Okay, And
Speaker 4: on first and ten completion, Ferguson plus zero second and
Speaker 4: ten completion CD plus six, third and four from the
Speaker 4: seventeen interception. There are three passesis and because you threw
Speaker 4: an interception and they took over at the thirty two
Speaker 4: yard line right and they scored, and they scored and
Speaker 4: that was the Kittle touchdown on the illegal pick made
Speaker 4: it twenty to ten.
Speaker 2: Now it was not an illegal pick.
Speaker 4: Now you come back. You come back and first and
Speaker 4: ten from the twenty six Zeke gets six yards. That's
Speaker 4: a quality run play. It is that gives Zeke seven
Speaker 4: carries for thirty five yards in this football game, five
Speaker 4: yards of carrying and he got six there. Second and
Speaker 4: fourth to thirty two incomplete. I got pressure written down.
Speaker 4: It was third and fourth the thirty two incomplete Bosa
Speaker 4: pressure punt. San Francisco takes over their own twenty five
Speaker 4: and they went seventy five yards to pey dirt. And
Speaker 4: that's when you thirty six seconds left in the third quarter.
Speaker 4: Now you're down twenty seven to ten. You had six
Speaker 4: plays in the third quarter in that twenty one nothing
Speaker 4: run in five of them were pass plays.
Speaker 5: But then the next possession you ran it twice hook
Speaker 5: and got one yard, get right? You know five excuse me?
Speaker 2: You know you know my logic. You know I get
Speaker 2: killed on my show for my logic, and I probably
Speaker 2: get killed on this show too, for my logic. When
Speaker 2: you're not a very good team, the only thing that
Speaker 2: make and save you is trying to run the ball
Speaker 2: into a brick wall, throwing down the temple of the game,
Speaker 2: giving yourself a chance. And for every second that your
Speaker 2: defense is on that bench, it is called rest. I
Speaker 2: am convinced. It's been seven games. We should know who
Speaker 2: we are by now. Those people over there, that team
Speaker 2: should know even more who they are. I know who
Speaker 2: they are. But this is the amazing thing is I
Speaker 2: fear this every year for a good quarterback. Is now
Speaker 2: Dak is into his own head. He is trying to
Speaker 2: make plays that are not there. I was on y'all
Speaker 2: show three weeks ago saying Dak has taken too many hits.
Speaker 2: It's going to start to show up. The interceptions, the
Speaker 2: just throwing bad passes. Dak had got over that. Now
Speaker 2: all of that is slowly leaking back onto him. Don't
Speaker 2: keep that pressure on him like that. Well, how some
Speaker 2: way you got to find a way to leave that
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 4: On those two possessions, the Cowboys had to your point
Speaker 4: about resting your defense one the time of possession was
Speaker 4: one minute twenty seven seconds on the first possession and
Speaker 4: one minute five seconds on the second possession.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did get away from the run, but there
Speaker 5: were some runs in there that made you go hmm,
Speaker 5: because they weren't getting anywhere. The run blocking wasn't good
Speaker 5: a consistent it is.
Speaker 2: It's never gonna be good this team right now, due
Speaker 2: to youth and players getting older. It's never gonna get
Speaker 2: it's never gonna get good. But what you're trying to
Speaker 2: do is establish something. Just like coach said two games ago,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna be We're not gonna look like some
Speaker 2: good teams that walk in here. But he has to
Speaker 2: believe in himself that he has to keep trying because
Speaker 2: six games from now you are gonna look better. But
Speaker 2: the only time that you get to practice runs is
Speaker 2: in training camp, in preseason games, and in games. That's
Speaker 2: the only time. And if you never practice in the game,
Speaker 2: how will you ever get better.
Speaker 4: Here's the other thing. On the run of the ball
Speaker 4: and not getting anything. It just takes me back to
Speaker 4: the old wishbone days, Jerry Switzer and I would get
Speaker 4: so frustrated's watching the wishbone because for some reason they
Speaker 4: would hand off to the full back and unless the
Speaker 4: fullback was Kenny King right right, it would go nowhere.
Speaker 4: Why are we handing off to the full back and
Speaker 4: getting one yard when we got Joe Washington or we
Speaker 4: got Greg Pruett and on that option pitch you can go,
Speaker 4: you can go sixty yards. And Switzer always said, no,
Speaker 4: you have to establish that belly play. You have to
Speaker 4: so that the defense will respect it and be honest,
Speaker 4: and then that opens up the flanks. It's the same
Speaker 4: thing throwing the football. The reason that you can run
Speaker 4: run play action passes is because they have to respect
Speaker 4: the run. And yeah, you may get beginning zero yards,
Speaker 4: one yard, two yards, but that takes the that keeps
Speaker 4: the defense from having from being able to pin their
Speaker 4: ears back and going after your quarterback.
Speaker 2: It just it's starting to add up. And fellas, thank
Speaker 2: you all for let me say this. Somehow, some way,
Speaker 2: Dak cannot keep taking these hits. I said it after
Speaker 2: the second game. I'm gonna say it after the seventh game.
Speaker 2: Dak cannot continue to take these hits. He's not even
Speaker 2: getting off of his first read in some instances. One
Speaker 2: of the interceptions he threw, man, he took a shot
Speaker 2: to the ribs that was unholy man.
Speaker 5: And the pain lasted for the rest of the game.
Speaker 2: Understanding when I saw when I saw that shot he took,
Speaker 2: I say, now it's beginning to wear on him. The
Speaker 2: pressure of trying to make sure tobery get the ball,
Speaker 2: to make sure CD get the ball, to make sure
Speaker 2: it's tight end, get the ball. I mean, this thing
Speaker 2: is beginning to be rapid fire. You can these stats,
Speaker 2: and I gotta tell numbers, guys, the stats does not
Speaker 2: tell the story. Because the stats, these numbers. You can't
Speaker 2: feel Dak is filling these numbers well.
Speaker 5: And that's why everybody sits there and concentrates on his interceptions. Yes,
Speaker 5: there's a reason why there's interceptions. The first one, the
Speaker 5: interception he tried to throw off deep off his back foot,
Speaker 5: and as I pointed out, he didn't see what happened
Speaker 5: because he was on the ground. Bosa knocked the daylights.
Speaker 2: Out of es he did.
Speaker 5: So in that situation, do you want your quarterback to
Speaker 5: take the sack or try to throw the ball.
Speaker 2: My deal is I call it to Tom Brady theory.
Speaker 2: You saw him at least those seven balls a game. Well,
Speaker 2: you're like, where is he throwing the ball just away?
Speaker 2: Get it away?
Speaker 5: Because he had he had to make a decision on that.
Speaker 5: Would you rather give Turpin a chance to come down
Speaker 5: with the ball and you're not, You're gonna throw it short.
Speaker 5: Schottenheimer pointed out that on that one Turpin had to
Speaker 5: play defense, like go go interfere.
Speaker 2: I've given up on that. I've given but that's.
Speaker 5: Not that's not why.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, let me explain what I'm telling
Speaker 2: you what I've given up. For some reason, all will
Speaker 2: ride receivers does not understand I'm hoping saying this right
Speaker 2: that you have a right to play defense when your
Speaker 2: quarterback has thrown a bad pass. You if you if
Speaker 2: you can't catch.
Speaker 5: It, don't let me can't. I'm like, what is the
Speaker 5: problem with I receive it and you can see it can't.
Speaker 5: It was coming right because the ball hung up because
Speaker 5: he got hit when he threw it, and it was
Speaker 5: way too high and it was short, and so he's
Speaker 5: got to go. But see that what's happens when you
Speaker 5: got receivers that don't have a lot of experience playing receiver.
Speaker 2: That's our fault, well it is, but.
Speaker 5: You know they're they're relying on him to you know,
Speaker 5: get off the line of scrimmage and beat out. You're
Speaker 5: relying on somebody blocking Bosa. And the problem they're having here,
Speaker 5: here's the only problem. To be able to protect Dak
Speaker 5: they need the tight ends to be chipping right. So
Speaker 5: that means you don't have as many people out in
Speaker 5: the past pattern, you got two guys out basically because
Speaker 5: you got to help both tackles.
Speaker 2: You know, I would say this right, this is funny
Speaker 2: when you have when you have the remind me of
Speaker 2: Kevin Gorgan. He was playing with Philadelphia and he came
Speaker 2: out the game. They said, you know he's playing at
Speaker 2: his regui. He said, Kevin, where are you hurting? And
Speaker 2: he looked at the tray, say everywhere. This is our
Speaker 2: football team. What do you fix? Tell me right now.
Speaker 5: You better fix protecting the quarterback.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you how. But it won't be pretty,
Speaker 2: and we won't score a lot of points and we
Speaker 2: won't be successful a lot of times. The only way
Speaker 2: you're gonna do that run running football.
Speaker 5: Because the second interception and keeping that tight end will
Speaker 5: help you run in the football right, because the second
Speaker 5: interception was a product of forcing things right. He knows
Speaker 5: better than that. Don't throw that pass, but he's trying
Speaker 5: to do something when you're struggling, and then you make
Speaker 5: matters worse.
Speaker 4: The thing that irks me, the thing is they weren't
Speaker 4: even struggling. Then they run down three.
Speaker 2: Thank you. But now this is what I don't get.
Speaker 2: This span forward that everybody talks about and loves. Why
Speaker 2: is he not in blocking? Every time I hear his name,
Speaker 2: it's for a pass? No, he was in blocking, bro,
Speaker 2: he you know what?
Speaker 5: Did you see how many snaps he had? How many
Speaker 5: nineteen or twenty? And they threw one path to him?
Speaker 4: Was in for two snaps.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear him catch not one pass.
Speaker 2: I'm being honest me.
Speaker 5: You know, no, I understand, but I wonder why, like
Speaker 5: was the play design there? Or is that what Dak
Speaker 5: decided to do under pressure?
Speaker 2: I tell you right here, man, I would become the
Speaker 2: most boring his team in America. You you have too
Speaker 2: many uncertainties. We can come. We have not said one
Speaker 2: positive thing about this team since we sat down and
Speaker 2: and that is the challenge that coach McCarthy did.
Speaker 5: They were leading that.
Speaker 4: Has said Zeke had five yards of carry on his
Speaker 4: first seven carry seven five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had a halftime lead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the problem is will you be mean enough
Speaker 2: or tough enough or stubborn whatever word it is, to
Speaker 2: come out in the second half and try to do
Speaker 2: what you did in the first half. And so my
Speaker 2: question is are we so scared that the dam is
Speaker 2: going to break on our defense to do we feel
Speaker 2: we have to just come out winging? It? Is that
Speaker 2: the true problem that coach zim that's my guy. I
Speaker 2: was so happy when they got it that these guys
Speaker 2: are not responding to them, or we don't have the
Speaker 2: players that's good enough to do what needs to be
Speaker 2: done to help the offense. Is it just our defense
Speaker 2: that bad?
Speaker 5: So you don't like my idea of seeing that they
Speaker 5: ran the two minute drill so well on the fourth
Speaker 5: quarter to come out and start the game in a
Speaker 5: two minute drill.
Speaker 2: Your defense can't handle that because if we score quick,
Speaker 2: that puts the bottom you know, it is so many
Speaker 2: questions to be fulfilled. We don't have enough time on shows.
Speaker 2: You know, what is the reason, you know, because I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear no more. Hey man, we got behind,
Speaker 2: we won, we won in the game, and we had
Speaker 2: just that and the other. You are starting to affect
Speaker 2: your quarterback. You are starting to and I knew that.
Speaker 2: And when your quarterback gets up and says, I threw
Speaker 2: this one. It was a bad pass. I threw this one.
Speaker 2: It was a bad pass. I gotta be better, don't
Speaker 2: you think a few years ago, remember when he went
Speaker 2: through this bad turn two or three years ago. You
Speaker 2: don't want to have your quarterback saying he got to
Speaker 2: win every game. You want your quarterback saying, if I
Speaker 2: distribute this ball right and I keep us out of
Speaker 2: bad plays, at the end of the game, we should
Speaker 2: be in the game one way or another, no more
Speaker 2: than seven points either way. Well, we've been.
Speaker 4: This has been such a good first segment. We've gone
Speaker 4: twenty one minutes. It's time to take a break. What
Speaker 4: do you want to talk about when we come back
Speaker 4: here on mix shots?
Speaker 5: Oh, we got lots to talk we do.
Speaker 4: We have lots to talk about. And in fact, how
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Speaker 5: You want to go over at met Yeah, as long
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Speaker 4: Okay, so much to get to you say.
Speaker 5: I'm me to continue that conversation we were having.
Speaker 2: Yes if you like, if you don't want to positive
Speaker 2: play there because negative No, I'm not negative.
Speaker 5: So we were talking about them trying to stop the run,
Speaker 5: right and having to play a heavy front and creating
Speaker 5: manned man coverage in the secondary, including having to use
Speaker 5: Donovan Wilson to try to cover a tight end. And
Speaker 5: he's not built for that, right, He's a run stopping safety.
Speaker 5: There's a reason why when they play a single safety
Speaker 5: high it's Hooker, it's not Donal Wilson. So now you're
Speaker 5: asking him in man coverage to run with George Kittle,
Speaker 5: who basically rips up the league. However, anybody chooses to
Speaker 5: cover him, right, So it's not that well with this
Speaker 5: Wilson guy, you can't play him. Well, you can't play
Speaker 5: him in that situation. You need another safety that can
Speaker 5: run and that's not his His ability to cover is
Speaker 5: not great and they know that, so and that's so
Speaker 5: here do you replace him with Janye Thomas or do
Speaker 5: you say, well, kwamu, you come in as a big
Speaker 5: safety and you try to cover the tight end out.
Speaker 2: I would have to do something different to not to
Speaker 2: try to do something different.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's one of those caves you want Macomo out of
Speaker 2: your chance. Baby, here you go. The thing that bothered
Speaker 2: me was one time, yeah, two, But when it just continues,
Speaker 2: a coach can't let that happen. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: just got to bring twenty five people up there on
Speaker 2: the line, and I'm exaggerating, I'm being crazy, but whatever
Speaker 2: it takes, don't let that continue to happen.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I haven't gone back to look at the
Speaker 4: second half of the game, but mcuamoll got fifteen snaps
Speaker 4: on defense.
Speaker 5: Well that's because the Warria got hurt. And by the way,
Speaker 5: sounds like that's pretty serious. So now they're running out of.
Speaker 4: Cornerbacks got three snaps on defense that Marquis Bell got three.
Speaker 5: Snaps and that was late in the game, I think
Speaker 5: at safety. Okay, so they didn't really make a change there.
Speaker 5: And again though, here's the d they're running on you, right.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You got to choose your poison.
Speaker 2: You know what. I just I would I would I
Speaker 2: would have had to give another guy chance. Uh, I
Speaker 2: would just have to give another guy a chance. I
Speaker 2: know you don't want to hurt a guy's feeling. I
Speaker 2: know you don't want to, you know, lose a player.
Speaker 5: Well you saw how they started the game right at cornerback. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis was the outside corner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan got sixty five of the sixty seven snaps
Speaker 4: in the game.
Speaker 2: You this thing is not built for ZIM and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, because ZIM is used to guys being able
Speaker 2: to line up. Man oh man, I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: front four and may not have a lot of sacks,
Speaker 2: but they're gonna have constant pressure and you're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to do your job. And these guys are not
Speaker 2: built because as I say on other shows, these guys
Speaker 2: are movement guys. Olsa, uh, Watkins and all of these guys,
Speaker 2: they're there there game guys, tackle in in tackle, linebackers
Speaker 2: coming yet coach, slanting to the strength, slanting away from
Speaker 2: the strength. These are movement guys. They are not guys
Speaker 2: that are built to stand up. Like the kid we
Speaker 2: drafted in the third round, Uh, he's built for that.
Speaker 2: He's built to play that defensive end. What's the kid
Speaker 2: we got in the section round, mar he is built
Speaker 2: to play that tough defensive end. Or if you're on
Speaker 2: a pass rush, to rush from a three technique over
Speaker 2: the guard. These guys are not built this way. So
Speaker 2: when you have guys that you're you're a skiing a
Speaker 2: lot of to go out of their character. You know
Speaker 2: that's a lot. So Mickey, once again, what do you
Speaker 2: do here?
Speaker 5: Well, you played a heavy front to try to stop
Speaker 5: the run, and for a half it worked right, And
Speaker 5: at the end of the first half they started springing leaks. Right.
Speaker 5: Garrendo went for nineteen, he went for fifteen, or.
Speaker 2: He went to nineteen then he went to fifteen, and
Speaker 2: then he went to nineteen and we got they got
Speaker 2: a flag. And then once they got the flagged and
Speaker 2: they backed off of the run.
Speaker 5: It was starting to leak, right, and the only way
Speaker 5: they were going to stop it or get pressure of.
Speaker 2: Is to try to have an eight man front is.
Speaker 5: Have six seven guys up or starting blitzing, which means
Speaker 5: you're leaving somebody in single coverage.
Speaker 2: The thing here now is.
Speaker 5: And remember also that the guys you got playing defensive end,
Speaker 5: they're your fifth and six choices.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah right, we said it on your show a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. We are at scheing a lot
Speaker 2: of guys who are perennial backups, guys that were on
Speaker 2: practice squads, Guys that was bet there was a step
Speaker 2: out of the league. They were old, Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: old and on. So you you The thing is, Will,
Speaker 2: mister Jones, mister Stephen Jones, Will, mister Will McLay, remember
Speaker 2: what they are looking at. See, fans don't have to
Speaker 2: and our greet fans, this is not your problem. Because
Speaker 2: you expect winning, you pay a price, and you deserve that.
Speaker 2: Now we took care of the fans, but ownership which
Speaker 2: is the scouts. They got to do better. Ain't nobody
Speaker 2: else out there. I agree before you said there's no
Speaker 2: one else out there, So that means Zim, you have
Speaker 2: to do better. Players, you have to do better. That's
Speaker 2: the bottom line, bro. You cannot look none competitive in
Speaker 2: every loss. You cannot look non competitive.
Speaker 5: But then go ahead and explain to me. In the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter on defense, when they came up with stops, and.
Speaker 2: I have to go back to my NBA analogy, they
Speaker 2: was up by twenty, their foot off the gas, and
Speaker 2: it looks it looked bad. It looked bad. It looked,
Speaker 2: oh man, we're gonna come back. But then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, they just drove right now like okay, believe
Speaker 2: what you saw them in the third quarter. They drove
Speaker 2: right on down and did what they had to do.
Speaker 2: The thing that is amazing is we have a beat
Speaker 2: up team with backup players. But be honest, they got
Speaker 2: they beat up too. The forty nine is a beat
Speaker 2: up too, So uh one thing they had on us
Speaker 2: and I think they had the mental edge from victories
Speaker 2: as before, and they still have a physical edge on
Speaker 2: the well.
Speaker 5: I thought the first half this team was physical.
Speaker 2: If y'all see what you were at the game, because
Speaker 2: you interviewed mister Stephen Jones before the game.
Speaker 5: Great job, Well thanks, I was there, yeah.
Speaker 2: But you were okay, so you got to see what
Speaker 2: coach Shanahan said. He said, we did this wrong, and
Speaker 2: we did this halftime he said, yeah, he said, but
Speaker 2: when we come back.
Speaker 4: Out, he basically said, we're gonna score.
Speaker 2: Touch it out. Come back out and see that thing
Speaker 2: that I try to impress upon people. We're never gonna
Speaker 2: beat the good to great teams because they have one
Speaker 2: thing that they can always rely on. They can run
Speaker 2: the ball. And they came out in that second half.
Speaker 2: Do you had those second half.
Speaker 4: And it turned and it was it was Grindo for zero, right,
Speaker 4: Osa made a great play on and then party for nine.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: That's a run against twelve man.
Speaker 5: And it's not designed.
Speaker 2: It's a run.
Speaker 5: It's because you didn't get pressure correctly.
Speaker 2: It's a run, all right, go ahead, it's a run.
Speaker 5: You had twelve minutes and you had more guys on twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what I guess. The twelve Yeah, we
Speaker 4: put our twelveth man out there, and then third and
Speaker 4: one party for four.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a run and uh.
Speaker 5: Then a pass for forty three yards.
Speaker 4: And then it was the past that Donovan Wilson is
Speaker 4: trailing Kittle, that Trayvon Diggs did a great job knocking
Speaker 4: him out of bounds at the four.
Speaker 5: Oh, he was loafing.
Speaker 2: It's these.
Speaker 5: I can't believe that has become such a big deal.
Speaker 2: We are the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: We are the cow go ahead on bis because of
Speaker 4: the visual of a football player in his football uniform
Speaker 4: coming out of the work.
Speaker 5: How about maybe finding out what was supposed to happen
Speaker 5: before you dog somebody out like get it right? No, no,
Speaker 5: you got it instant.
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't. I have been on both sides
Speaker 2: of his shoe. They don't have to me. We don't
Speaker 2: have to get it right. This is twenty first Martyn day.
Speaker 2: What is it modern day? You go media this, They don't.
Speaker 5: What That doesn't replace what get it right?
Speaker 2: What my man has to do as a player. He
Speaker 2: is bigger than that.
Speaker 4: Don't give that.
Speaker 2: He is bigger than that.
Speaker 4: Don't give him the time of day.
Speaker 2: No, and if you and then you could say more
Speaker 2: behind closed doors and get and you and him can
Speaker 2: have a better understanding than we can out front.
Speaker 5: You know how things have changed. That's back before. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it would be the media's fault. Now it's the player's fault.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, do you remember.
Speaker 5: No, you weren't there yet. Back then when I needed every.
Speaker 2: Sing here, we need, we need, we could not do
Speaker 2: that to y'all. Met I remember one time. Oh, yes, Tim,
Speaker 2: we would have differences, but never publicly.
Speaker 5: Well, but you had differences, and just E'm gonna go
Speaker 5: public because nobody reported it. In nineteen eighty four, the
Speaker 5: Morning News did a survey on who should be the quarterback? Okay,
Speaker 5: Danny White, And they did the survey and Gary Myers
Speaker 5: was behind it, right, And so Danny White said something
Speaker 5: to Gary Myers as he was going into where the
Speaker 5: where you guys ate, right, And Gary Myers smarted off
Speaker 5: back to him and said, well, I thought that's where
Speaker 5: the players went, basically telling Danny White he wasn't player.
Speaker 5: Danny White picked him up by the front of his
Speaker 5: shirt collar and walked him out of there, right, walked
Speaker 5: him out of there. The only ones that saw it
Speaker 5: was the rest of us. It didn't go viral across
Speaker 5: the country, right, and and so everybody would have stood
Speaker 5: up basically for the player at that time. It's like
Speaker 5: the mean they sure would have.
Speaker 2: Disagree.
Speaker 5: He probably deserved.
Speaker 2: The bottom line was this right here? The difference is
Speaker 2: you right, Galloway, you Blackish, Garad. All of those guys, Tim, Tim,
Speaker 2: y'all always had a second and third source. We don't
Speaker 2: have to have. No we do, No, we don't. They don't.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why we don't. What is surface today?
Speaker 2: What was talked about yesterday, what was talked about more
Speaker 2: than the game was, hey, look at what happened to
Speaker 2: Dallas cornerback. You don't have to All you have to
Speaker 2: do is have the big hit of the day. This
Speaker 2: guy is known now. He was a nobody outside of Dallas.
Speaker 2: He is known today. He would get an Emmy or
Speaker 2: Grammy or something on a Hitter of the year, the
Speaker 2: X of the year for what.
Speaker 5: Tim, I'm wrong, but that doesn't make it right.
Speaker 2: What is the guy name?
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, yes, you what's the guy named
Speaker 5: bial Mike Leslie.
Speaker 2: I don't know Mike. I may know his work with
Speaker 2: his wife.
Speaker 4: His wife is meteorologist at the Channel eleven.
Speaker 2: And she found, like yo, one thing I found out.
Speaker 2: If you want someone to stay on. Nobody, don't say
Speaker 2: anything to him. Did our cornaback Digs is a hell
Speaker 2: of a cornaback that is right now playing in a
Speaker 2: system that don't fit him. Don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 4: Forget seriously, seriously, on that particular play in question, he
Speaker 4: did exactly what he needed to do on that play.
Speaker 2: But in fact he got the tackle.
Speaker 4: He's not got touched.
Speaker 2: But mister Leslie is the hero. I don't care what
Speaker 2: you say.
Speaker 9: I would like to ask, would like to ask hero.
Speaker 9: What was he supposed to do? Is he supposed to
Speaker 9: go through the receiver he was covering and Malie Hooker
Speaker 9: to tackle to try to tackle Kittle at the twenty
Speaker 9: yard line, because if he had done that, then Kittle
Speaker 9: scores on the play, because the only reason he didn't
Speaker 9: score on the play was because Trayvon Diggs knock him
Speaker 9: all the bounds at the four.
Speaker 2: Yard great thing about these cell phones. The great thing
Speaker 2: about it is I can become an overnight sensation. If
Speaker 2: I just get the right clip and say the right
Speaker 2: thing at the wrong time, I can be caught. See
Speaker 2: Diggs is a great I'm telling you, Diggs is a
Speaker 2: great corner. And if he is a nobody corner. If
Speaker 2: this is Carson, if this was the guy that got
Speaker 2: hurt with the O, if he had run out there,
Speaker 2: every be like, man get if you don't get he's
Speaker 2: a great corner, He's just in the wrong system right now.
Speaker 5: Well, no, because how many times did his guy he
Speaker 5: was covering catch a ball? Not this got shut out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, this game here he did.
Speaker 5: He had another tackle that saved at.
Speaker 4: In fact, he said it on Micah's podcast last night.
Speaker 2: Yea, so now you're using Michael's podcast and come back
Speaker 2: Michael's car. You know that Mike had a winning team.
Speaker 2: On the next day, he had to defend his boy
Speaker 2: that they boy. So yeah, my thing is just here, Mick.
Speaker 2: In today's media, a player can either make it. And
Speaker 2: it's not about Diggs. Diggs gonna make many more great plays.
Speaker 2: He's gonna show his value. But if you want a
Speaker 2: guy to be a nobody and stay on nobody, don't
Speaker 2: give him the platform.
Speaker 5: Oh I understand, I understand, and and and that's what
Speaker 5: needed to be pointed out more so than you know, Oh,
Speaker 5: what are you doing on your phone? Like two minutes
Speaker 5: after the game was over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody found out he was checking on his brother,
Speaker 2: you know, and and everybody told him what happened.
Speaker 4: So he gets text messages with a link to the tweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just I just laughed because we all
Speaker 2: know dis what he can do and what he's Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not a great tackler, you know. And forgive me, Dion,
Speaker 2: you wasn't either. You want to you want to.
Speaker 5: You want to reverse on?
Speaker 2: That was that?
Speaker 5: So we got into it several years ago, right.
Speaker 2: You and who the guy? Yeah, mister Leslie.
Speaker 5: And I said, and he said, he said, so he
Speaker 5: said something. I said, did you did you you heard
Speaker 5: what I said? And he goes, oh no, somebody told me.
Speaker 5: And I said, well, there is your next mistake.
Speaker 2: Right, But he's mister Leslie. I'm probably he can get
Speaker 2: on this show now and everybody will be talking.
Speaker 5: He got his own segment last night. He got on
Speaker 5: the ticket on morning.
Speaker 4: Yes, really, how.
Speaker 2: Did you feel being ridiculed and and hurt? He's just
Speaker 2: sitting there now, he's mixed.
Speaker 5: That was build.
Speaker 2: It brought her up. Yeah, why you can't say, mister Leslie's.
Speaker 5: Now and now he's going to show up on his
Speaker 5: day off to be the hero to be here to
Speaker 5: face Trayvon dis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I'm Trayvon, I walk by him like
Speaker 2: he ain't never was, never existed.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, you need to go way pastime for this.
Speaker 5: No, we haven't even had a break and we're back
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Speaker 4: Okay, we only have a minute or so left here,
Speaker 4: and the breaking news in the NFL right now is
Speaker 4: Trayvon Diggs brothers Stefan out for the rest of the
Speaker 4: season with a torn acl destiny. Yeah right, because he
Speaker 4: got hurt in the game on Sunday, and so we
Speaker 4: will not have for the second straight year, we won't
Speaker 4: have Trayvon Versus stuff on when the Texans come here.
Speaker 5: So if some Monday night football next month, So that's
Speaker 5: why he was up bothered to find out why he
Speaker 5: was on his phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's why.
Speaker 5: Well there's your answer. He was like, we don't worry
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 2: But that's that's gotta be first. Know. The thing about
Speaker 2: it is he he probably didn't know. I didn't care
Speaker 2: to know. But the thing is, uh, he was emotional.
Speaker 2: Diggs was emotional. He got he was emotion like man emotion.
Speaker 2: You know. I just wish one of his teammates would
Speaker 2: have got to him and said, you know, like Mike
Speaker 2: Irvan saved me a couple of times from stubbing my toe.
Speaker 2: You know, but it's a new world, man, it's a
Speaker 2: new world, and.
Speaker 5: You saved me from stubbing my toe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, hey man, just friends looking out for friends.
Speaker 2: But I tell you it's been nice. Man and Mick.
Speaker 2: You never answered my question about the ring game, But
Speaker 2: it's okay. You can even know me on it.
Speaker 5: What that they should run more?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, here's what.
Speaker 4: Here's your homework assignment. Go back and look at the
Speaker 4: two fourth quarter drives against the Steelers and look at
Speaker 4: the sixty five yard eleven play drive against the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers and see see what they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have in common. Yeah, me and me and
Speaker 2: Bill already know.
Speaker 4: Yeah you think, let me give you, let me give
Speaker 4: you a hint.
Speaker 2: It don't come at me, leslie. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually, actually the sixteen ninety yards sixteen play drive against
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh actually started midway of the third worthy, and it
Speaker 4: was a they were down ten to six, just like
Speaker 4: they were down thirteen to ten, A San Francisco, go
Speaker 4: on you third quarter on Sunday, Yes, and they went.
Speaker 5: But what happened before that drive in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 2: The point is we got to go make don't don't, don't,
Speaker 2: don't find.
Speaker 5: What was Pittsburgh doing?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 4: They had scored a touchdown to start the third quarter,
Speaker 4: exactly like San Francisco did, okay, to start the third
Speaker 4: quarter in the San Francisco game. San Francisco went down
Speaker 4: and scored to take a thirteen to ten lead. And
Speaker 4: to start the third quarter, Pittsburgh got the ball and
Speaker 4: went seventy two yards in six plays to score to
Speaker 4: take a ten to six lead.
Speaker 5: So they scored twice in a row.
Speaker 4: No, they scored Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh did, okay, just like San
Speaker 4: Francisco did to start the third quarter.
Speaker 5: And then what happened after the Cowboys scored.
Speaker 4: And then it was.
Speaker 2: Word after the cow But you know, let me tell
Speaker 2: you what happened while that was on their way to score.
Speaker 2: They defense was resting.
Speaker 4: Their defense. I'll give you that their defense rested. They
Speaker 4: took over with seven twenty three left in the third quarter,
Speaker 4: and they scored with thirteen to fifty one left in
Speaker 4: the four So seven twenty three, they ate up eight
Speaker 4: minutes and thirty two seconds of the clock, and Pittsburgh
Speaker 4: went three and out. And then the Cowboys came back
Speaker 4: out there, and then what happened on that possession back
Speaker 4: through an interception and then Pittsburgh got the ball back
Speaker 4: and they went sixty three yards and twelve plays because
Speaker 4: they weren't rested now. And then to close the game
Speaker 4: the last four fifty six it was seventy yards and
Speaker 4: fifteen plays. But just go look at the number of
Speaker 4: different players running or passing who touched the football on
Speaker 4: those two drives.
Speaker 2: Can you do that for us? Mister?
Speaker 5: I can thank you, especially forget if you get that
Speaker 5: many plays.
Speaker 2: Thank you? All right, we have just made this do bigger,
Speaker 2: bigger again.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll see if Everson taps out again tomorrow,
Speaker 4: We'll see again tomorrow at noon.
Speaker 2: Go Cowboys, Go Cowboys, Go Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Go mister, Go Cowboys.
Speaker 5: What if a Cowboy player had done that?
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