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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the cycle. I am Ryan warmly joined.

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Speaker 1: I would say as always, but it's been actually a

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Speaker 1: certainly and always going forward by Mike maher mayor how

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Speaker 1: you doing, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. It's great to have you back.

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Speaker 2: We haven't done a show this offseason or really since,

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Speaker 2: like I want to say, July, since you like kind

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Speaker 2: of abandoned me for football. Yeah, I'm doing that right,

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Speaker 2: and you know, happy to do the show. Happy to

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Speaker 2: get the dynamic duo, the Gruesome twosome back together.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully people who hear you calls the Gruesome twosom have

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Speaker 1: seen it's always sunny in Philadelphia and understand the reference. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe this is my first time doing the cycle

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Speaker 1: on video, which is very exciting that we're doing that

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Speaker 1: this year. Obviously, I was not here last week because,

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Speaker 1: as you pointed out to everybody violating HIPPA, I think

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Speaker 1: I had surgery last week, so ironically it was the

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Speaker 1: same shoulder surgery you had at the end of December.

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Speaker 1: sitting at my computer, not in my sling. You will

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Speaker 1: look and hopefully sound somewhat normal. It's been a very

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Speaker 1: because I've been focused on, you know, early stages of

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Speaker 1: the early stages of spring training. How was your shoulder

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Speaker 1: surgery recovering? Though I know there were some comments last

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Speaker 1: you how you're doing, My dear friend.

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Speaker 2: I thought for sure you were teeming me up for

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Speaker 2: an apology there. Yeah, there were there were a few comments,

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Speaker 2: some words for me. They didn't realize I was I

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Speaker 2: was joking about, you know, your recovery and coming back

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Speaker 2: I was going to surprise you by wearing my sling,

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Speaker 2: So it would have been pretty ironic that if I

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Speaker 1: Would show how I'm just like you know, Wolverine out

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Speaker 1: If if anybody notices me grimacing at all during the

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Speaker 1: I was really excited to do some of these preseason shows.

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Speaker 1: which you teased last week, is going to be about

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Speaker 1: players that we hate ranking. These are the guys that

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Speaker 1: We definitely appreciate it, and I feel free to throw us,

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Speaker 1: For me, I think the only four names I'm not

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Speaker 1: Everybody else, I would at least kind of think about

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Speaker 1: And and for me, Skeens that guy this year, So

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Speaker 1: Tinkering with the splinker, the splinker Tinker. What else you got?

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Speaker 2: Flinker Tinker? I did, I didn't I mentioned it's it's

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that game's total is wrong.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about at the position he's he's

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Speaker 2: But zach Netto is a fascinating one because I look

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Speaker 2: at the numbers and I'm kind of wowed that he

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Speaker 2: went twenty three home rounds thirty Stone bases bat at

432
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Speaker 2: around two fifty. But like when I watch him and

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Speaker 2: when I look at his underlying metrics, I'm like, are

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Speaker 2: we sure he's good? And like now he's got an

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Speaker 2: injury that he's dealing with too, Like it seems like

436
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Speaker 2: he could be should be ready for opening Day, but

437
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Speaker 2: he just started like playing catch recently, I believe, so

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Speaker 2: there's injury concern there too, And I just he's kind

439
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Speaker 2: of a fascinating one for him, a fascinating rank for

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Speaker 2: me because I look at him and I look at

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Speaker 2: the numbers and I'm like, this is really valuable. But

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Speaker 2: then I look I kind of dive into who he

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Speaker 2: is as a player, and I just kind of don't

444
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Speaker 2: see it, and I want to move him lower my rankings,

445
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Speaker 2: and it just makes me nervous because if you look

446
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Speaker 2: at he's like not that we want to like only

447
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Speaker 2: look at stack cast data, but when you look at

448
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Speaker 2: statcast data, despite his production, it's a lot of blue,

449
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Speaker 2: and it's a lot there are a lot of red

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Speaker 2: flags there. And so even as someone who batted to

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Speaker 2: forty nine last year, he's expected batting average was two

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Speaker 2: thirty six, and you just look at like, you know,

453
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Speaker 2: his like sweet spot numbers like not good chase with

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Speaker 2: k rate all well below average, doesn't have a great

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Speaker 2: like ex velocity or like barrel percentage, and it's just

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we're going to see a lot

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Speaker 2: of people kind of like projecting out that kind of

458
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Speaker 2: production again, and the oh, I can get like twenty

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Speaker 2: plus home runs, thirty stolen bases from him, and I

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Speaker 2: get that, I get that kind of like powers combo.

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Speaker 2: But I also wonder if we're kind of over projecting

462
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Speaker 2: him based on his you know, kind of like prospect

463
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Speaker 2: pedigree and some of the kind of luck he ran

464
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Speaker 2: into last year when some of the underlarmed numbers are

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Speaker 2: not good.

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Speaker 1: I have a pretty clear answer to this. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if you also see the same way, what do you

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Speaker 1: think he's more likely to repeat twenty three home runs

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Speaker 1: or thirty stolen bases?

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Speaker 2: I assume stolen bases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. He also got caught

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Speaker 1: stealing ten times last year. It's kind of a lot,

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Speaker 1: but it kind of shows that they were the angels

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Speaker 1: didn't mind letting him run. Certainly, I find it very

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Speaker 1: difficult to imagine. You know, it's only a second year.

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Speaker 1: Like me, he can still get better, Obviously, I find

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Speaker 1: it very difficult to imagine him getting twenty home runs again,

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Speaker 1: given some of the underlying numbers you pointed out. Whereas

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Speaker 1: I do see him as a likely source of stolen bases,

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Speaker 1: I don't maybe he doesn't get thirty, but like I

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Speaker 1: would imagine he is getting twenty twenty five like at minimum,

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Speaker 1: barring an injury. Whereas home runs, I'd be more comfortable,

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Speaker 1: like if you had to give me, like what's the

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Speaker 1: minimum you think he gets, it'd be more like fifteen

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Speaker 1: eighteen rather than in the twenties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just kind of he had twenty three

487
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Speaker 2: home runs last year and if you look at his

488
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Speaker 2: regrant that he you know, was drafted in twenty twenty two,

489
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Speaker 2: I believe, and just kind of like has flown through

490
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Speaker 2: the minor leagues. He had twenty three home runs last year,

491
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Speaker 2: and it is like previous like two minor league seasons combined,

492
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Speaker 2: he had like just around like twenty three combined, dating

493
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Speaker 2: all the way back to like high A ball, and

494
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Speaker 2: so we just haven't seen this kind of power from him.

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Speaker 1: And he played eighty four games in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: and had nine homers, so he played, you know, more

497
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Speaker 1: than half a season and had single digits. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like barring a lucky season, that's

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Speaker 1: really in his skill set. He's twentieth at shortstop I

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Speaker 1: think right now in ECR, and he's you know, obviously

501
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Speaker 1: his ADP is one to eighty three, So similar to holidays,

502
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Speaker 1: somebody that you're not having to spend big bucks on,

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Speaker 1: so maybe worth a swing, but I think he's a

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Speaker 1: good pick of somebody where kind of fitting this topic

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Speaker 1: of conversation. Is a difficult person to rank because if

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Speaker 1: you just look at that setting everything else aside. If

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Speaker 1: you look at a twenty four year old shortstop who

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Speaker 1: went twenty thirty last year, that is somebody you want

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Speaker 1: to invest in, but it's hard to want to rank

510
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Speaker 1: him aggressively a given the strength of the position and

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Speaker 1: be given all the stuff you laid out all right,

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Speaker 1: before we get into our injured pitchers, want to let

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Speaker 1: that mock draft simulator a lot because I have joined

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Speaker 1: a couple of new leagues this year, including one that

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Speaker 1: you invited me to Marror, which I appreciate, although I

524
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Speaker 1: didn't agree to join until Dan Harris made the official invite,

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Speaker 1: and I want that on record.

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Speaker 2: In my defense, it was my idea for him to

527
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Speaker 2: text you. I was like, well, you text him, you can.

528
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Speaker 2: You can bring this over the finish line, like give

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Speaker 2: him the old Dan Harris charm and bring it home

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold, nailed it.

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Speaker 1: It worked. It worked one hundred percent. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: be in that league. It's a fun one that you've

533
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Speaker 1: talked about on the show before, but I definitely need

534
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Speaker 1: to get some prep in. It's probably had a type

535
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Speaker 1: of league, now that I say it out loud that

536
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Speaker 1: I can really use the draft simulator for. It's a

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Speaker 1: very specific rule league, but I'll certainly be using the

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Speaker 1: simulator for all of my other league prep that I

539
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Speaker 1: need to do and catch up on all the stuff

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Speaker 1: I've been missing with the surgery. All right, let's get

541
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Speaker 1: to our injured pictures here. I'll let you go first

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Speaker 1: this time.

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Speaker 2: Who you got sure I'm going to go? I think

544
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Speaker 2: we have two interesting names here in terms of just

545
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Speaker 2: kind of like injured pictures, like high end pictures returning

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Speaker 2: from injury Spencer. Strider's is a really fascinating one because

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Speaker 2: you know, he was sp one last year and or

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Speaker 2: you know, going into last year and you know, twenty

549
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Speaker 2: twenty three, two hundred and eighty one strikeouts, and.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't just sp one and he was like what

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Speaker 1: we just talked about with schemes, like where in the

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Speaker 1: first round are you taking to Strider? He was exactly

553
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Speaker 1: the clear cut, no doubt about it, sp one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I took him in the first round in a

555
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Speaker 2: few or at least a couple of high stakes leaus.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this in YouTube comments last week when I

557
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Speaker 2: was chatting with people. I mentioned they were talking about,

558
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Speaker 2: you know, going double aces and sp early, and I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you know, I kind of took a big swing in

560
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Speaker 2: some high stakes leagues and a different strategy and took

561
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Speaker 2: Strider in the first round. And obviously it went poorly

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Speaker 2: for me. But also if you took Ronald lcuoney in

563
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Speaker 2: the first round last year, probably didn't have a great

564
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Speaker 2: year either. The thing with Striders, I don't always love

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Speaker 2: taking players who are already injured, especially pictures, because you're

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Speaker 2: already going to deal with enough injuries. I don't like

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Speaker 2: starting with players who are already injured. The thing that's

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Speaker 2: intriguing for about him is that he's going pretty late.

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Speaker 2: And even though there's some sestions about whther or not

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Speaker 2: he's going to start the year like some people think

571
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Speaker 2: he's gonna, you know, maybe miss the first month, he's

572
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Speaker 2: already throwing off a mount. You know, we're in February.

573
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Speaker 2: You know, we're still a month from the season starting,

574
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Speaker 2: and he's already thrown off a mound. How much time

575
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Speaker 2: is he really going to miss? You know, they're projecting

576
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Speaker 2: him for about one hundred and twenty innings. One hundred

577
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Speaker 2: and twenty innings at a spencer strider, a lot more

578
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Speaker 2: valuable than one hundred twenty innings that other pictures, especially

579
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Speaker 2: if maybe you push that to like one hundred and

580
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Speaker 2: thirty hundred and forty innings now we're talking.

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Speaker 1: I mean he in twenty twenty two, he only threw

582
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one innings and he still had

583
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Speaker 1: over two hundred strikeouts. In fact, he doesn't need that

584
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Speaker 1: much work if he's what he was before to help

585
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Speaker 1: you immensely in the category like.

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Speaker 2: That, and he's just going late enough. You know, let's

587
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Speaker 2: look at his ADP from from from recent drafts. His

588
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: ADP is one twenty seven, so you can get him

589
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Speaker 2: like you're not paying a you know, even if you

590
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Speaker 2: want to, Like we talked about this a little bit

591
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Speaker 2: last week with like different like Fantasys Baseball Draft Strategies,

592
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Speaker 2: which you can go check out that video with me

593
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Speaker 2: and Kelly too because we talked about some of the stuff.

594
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Speaker 2: But just like in know, if there's an interesting kind

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Speaker 2: of like middle ground of pitcher this year, if you

596
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: want to hammer like hitters early and then you can

597
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: start hitting like Spencer Strider, a Contra and some of

598
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: these other Jeffrey Springs late, you can start hitting this

599
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: like there's there's a lot of value. Obviously you're like,

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00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: you know, some of these pictures are not going to

601
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: really like pan out, but there's just really interesting middle

602
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 2: area of pictures that you don't have to pay up for.

603
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Because the pictures this year, like there's a there's top

604
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Speaker 2: tiers of Skiens Schooble, and then I think there's a

605
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: teer break Wheeler Logan Gilbert, and I think there's another

606
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: tier break and then it's like you get into more

607
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: question marks like Corby Burns, Gara Corchet Chris Sale, and

608
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: then you're getting pretty far down the list, and the

609
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Speaker 2: difference between like SP ten and SP forty or so

610
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: might not be that big this year. And if you

611
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Speaker 2: can hit on names like Spencer Stryder, you know after

612
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: pick one hundred, there's a lot of upside there.

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Speaker 1: I really I think he's a great call for this discussion.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if I had miss

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Speaker 1: kind of any early updates. It looks like on his

616
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Speaker 1: page on Fantasy Pros, just kind of looking at the

617
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Speaker 1: news and notes, you know, mixed in a curveball during

618
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Speaker 1: side session Friday. That was four days ago. So next

619
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Speaker 1: step facing live hitters. I am with you, particularly at picture.

620
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Speaker 1: I just tend to not want the injured guys. Like again,

621
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Speaker 1: it's it's like drafting in football in general, but specifically

622
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Speaker 1: for pictures in baseball. You know you're gonna get hit

623
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Speaker 1: with injuries. Why add to that risk on purpose? And

624
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Speaker 1: Strider is such an exception because the ceiling isn't Oh,

625
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: this is like a quality starting pitture in irritation. The

626
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: ceiling is holy cow, you got the best picture in

627
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Speaker 1: Fantasy baseball. Again. Now, I don't think either of us

628
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Speaker 1: are thinking he's going to be that even in the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario when he returns, But it's a non

630
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Speaker 1: zero chance that he is an elite ace, like in

631
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Speaker 1: the innings he's giving you, even if it's not going

632
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Speaker 1: to be, you know, a full workload of innings. So

633
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Speaker 1: i've him actually cut for different reasons, similarly to how

634
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Speaker 1: I viewed Scheens last year, where I wasn't entirely sure

635
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Speaker 1: what the timeline was going to be. I wasn't entirely

636
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Speaker 1: sure how the team was going to treat him once

637
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Speaker 1: he was pitching in terms of the number of innings,

638
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: but that I was reasonably certain the innings we were

639
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: going to get were going to be pretty superb if

640
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: he was actually out there, and if you invested in

641
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: schemes that worked out really well for you, by the

642
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: end of the season, you had this absolute stud So

643
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Speaker 1: the fact that I'm kind of making that comparison almost

644
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: makes me think he should be ranked higher, or at

645
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Speaker 1: least somebody that I draft higher than an ADP of

646
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: one twenty seven to make sure I get him. But

647
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: similar to I mean, all the guys were going to

648
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: talk about obviously the reason they're on this list, it's

649
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: because there's an upside case and a downside case. I

650
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: don't know where I really come down in terms of,

651
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: like specifically where I'm drafting him, So like, if you

652
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: want to be aggressive and get him, how much earlier

653
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: than that as of right now? And his ADP might

654
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: change with you know, news updates throughout March, But as

655
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: of right now, where would you actually like click draft

656
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: on him to make sure you get him if you

657
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: want to take that risk.

658
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm thinking, because he's going like tenth

659
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: to eleventh round right now, and drafts are going to

660
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: start coming up. I've only drafted one league right now,

661
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: but over the next few weeks, I'm gonna have a

662
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: lot more drafts. And like I said, he's already kind

663
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: of throwing, and if we start getting more and more

664
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: positive reports from him, that ADP is going to rise,

665
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: and then it's a question of how far has it

666
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 2: rise to the port where I'm comfortable Right now, I

667
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: feel like I'm comfortable rolling the dice in the eighth round,

668
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: which is still you know, not that big of a risk,

669
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: assuming you know you have some pretty good picks in

670
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: the first seven rounds, which if you don't, you're kind

671
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: of screwed anyway, But that feel, I don't know that

672
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I can, Like at his current ADP, he's going like

673
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: tenth eleventh round, and I could I'm fine taking him

674
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: around or two earlier to make sure I get him

675
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: to kind of take that swing once his ADP. If

676
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: it goes much higher than that and we go like seventh,

677
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: sixth round, then I start getting nervous that I don't know. One,

678
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: if you're going to get the ROI there, and if

679
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: they're you know, there, becomes more risk and I don't

680
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: the value kind of shrinks.

681
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: So let's loop in my injured picture. Who's going in

682
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: a very similar spot in drafts Shane McClanahan, who was

683
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: obviously awesome prior to his injury. Now it feels like

684
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: a long while ago because it kind of was. Unlike Strider,

685
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: there's no confusion about his timeline. He has been announced

686
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: as the Ray's opening day starter already, which it was

687
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: a piece of news I did see seventeen months removed

688
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: from his Tommy John surgery. So, like I said, it's

689
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: been like a year and a half, but we know

690
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: he's going to be back out there already. Obviously a

691
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: picture who was very good prior to the injury. He's

692
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: still only twenty seven years old. It's not like he's,

693
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, that much older. In twenty twenty three, the

694
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: last time we saw him, you know, his era was

695
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: three twenty nine. He start out one hundred and twenty

696
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: one batters in one hundred and fifteen innings, which was

697
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: a step down from his twenty twenty two which was

698
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: superb but too fifty four era. His strikeout rate was

699
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: over thirty percent. He ha one hundred ninety four in

700
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty six and a third innings. Just

701
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: a very very good pitcher in an organization that knows

702
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: how to use their pitchers. We haven't seen him in

703
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: a while, so he's a couple of spots higher than

704
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Stryder in ECR rank amongst pitchers Stryder's fifty one and

705
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: mclanahan's forty eighth at the position, but ADP is a

706
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: couple of spots lower. Stryder's won twenty seven, mclanhan's won

707
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: thirty one. Would you rather have Stryder or McLanahan this year.

708
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: That's a great question. And I love this pick because

709
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: of what you said, because it's not like his injury

710
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: was much longer ago, Like he was working his way

711
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: back toward the end of last year and probably could

712
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: have returned at at the tail end of the season,

713
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: and they just kind of opted to play it safe.

714
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: So now he's had several more months to continue getting ready.

715
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: And the projections are showing that too, because while Strider

716
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: was projected at like one hundred and twenty innings, they're

717
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: already saying mclanaank if they're one sixty or more. And

718
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: that's really exciting given how good he was when he

719
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: was on the mound in that league that you just joined.

720
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: There's some shame McClanahan lower there because a few years ago,

721
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: our friend of the show, Brandon Tuma, posted like a

722
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: draft day screenshot on the morning of our auction or

723
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: a salary draft day.

724
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: You mean the movie draft day of the movie Draft what?

725
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Shane mclanahand no matter what, And then two

726
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: might I got into a bidding war for McLanahan and

727
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: he thought I was just gonna one up him for

728
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: the rest of the evening, but I really was at

729
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: my limit and he he stopped, and so I ended

730
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: up getting McLanahan and he will. He brings it up

731
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: every year. But yeah, I would to answer your question,

732
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: I think I would rather have McLanahan just because you're

733
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: gonna get more out of him. And I think, I mean,

734
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: there's still there's risk with all pictures, especially pictures were

735
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: covering from injury, but his timeline is so much different,

736
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: like it's so different from Strider that you know you

737
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: can there's there's a lot more there.

738
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: So why why did think mclanahan's ADP is lower? Because

739
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I I just think the certainty of knowing he's going

740
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: to be on the mound day one is worth at

741
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: the very least being a better ADP than Stryder, if

742
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: not significantly better, just given that there is no confusion

743
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: with Strider and it's a McLanahan is a slouch right,

744
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Like again, he maybe wasn't as elite as Strider was,

745
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: but very very very good starting pitcher when we last

746
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: saw him. So why is the ADP like that? I

747
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: would think the certainty of the injury is people just

748
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: forgetting about him, Like I don't understand.

749
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you know some some people forgetting about him

750
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: and then also just kind of like disagreeing on the

751
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: ceiling because you know, like Shan mclannan could be an

752
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: sp one, maybe not sp one overall, but like n

753
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: sp one for sure, Whereas like Strider potentially is the

754
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: best pitcher in baseball. But like you said, mclann has

755
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: no slouch either. He's still really really good and we've

756
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: seen him be really really good, and so yeah, I

757
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: know I could. I completely agree he's difficult to rank,

758
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: but also I feel like I'm going to be more

759
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 2: aggressive on him just because of what we see.

760
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: If I can get McLanahan in the like early eleventh

761
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: round or whatever one thirty one that is with the math,

762
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be sprinting to the podium to

763
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: make that pick like that. See if if he starts

764
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to go up in ADP, maybe that it becomes a

765
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: different conversation similar to Strider. But right now, like that is,

766
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: to my opinion, one of the most screaming values you

767
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: can have in a draft this year is the upside

768
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: you can get with McLanahan with less injury uncertainty then

769
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna get with some of these other guys. So

770
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: I think these are two guys that are gonna be

771
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of tied together throughout most of the year, honestly

772
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: in terms of how I'm evaluating them given where they're

773
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: going in drafts right now.

774
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree.

775
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to our kind of last you

776
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: know players each There's no theme with this one. We

777
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: just each picked one more player. I went with Brent Rooker,

778
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: and when I was sitting down to think about these players,

779
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: there was kind of a couple different categories, and I

780
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: try to hit on all of them. There were the

781
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: injured guys who that's why they're uncertain is just trickly injury.

782
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: There's the young guys who haven't broken out yet, like

783
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: of Jackson Holliday. And then there's the guys who you know,

784
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: have shown it but at a surprising age or surprising

785
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: point in their career where you have to question kind

786
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: of how legitimate it is. Brett Rocker was awesome last year.

787
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: It's not like he's, you know, late thirties. He is

788
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: thirty right now, but that's a late breakout. He's also

789
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: going to be playing in this you know, weird Sacramento

790
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: Park with a bad as team. But you look at

791
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: the numbers from last year thirty nine home runs, one

792
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve RBI even on a bad team. He

793
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: stole eleven bases, so like he wasn't even a zero there,

794
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: and he almost hit three hundred. His bating average two

795
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: ninety three. His BATPP was definitely elevated, so I wouldn't

796
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: expect another two ninety three season from him, but in

797
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: ops over nine hundred, another thirty home run season, which

798
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: also did in twenty twenty three. By the way, he

799
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: had thirty home runs. You know. The stolen bases I

800
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: think is somewhat legitimate. He only had four the year before,

801
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: but I you know, give him eight or something like that,

802
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I think is very much on the table. And yet

803
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: late stage breakout always kind of has me worried, especially

804
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: when it's coupled with a bapup like the one he had,

805
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: and you know, seems to be a degree of luck

806
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: in there as well. His ADP's fifty eight. So this

807
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: is a guy who's going much higher than some of

808
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: the other names we've talked about. If you were going

809
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: to guarantee he's going to repeat last season, and he'd be,

810
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, even higher than fifty, much higher than fifty eight.

811
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: So there's already some of that uncertainty baked in, I

812
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: really struggle with where to rank him. Also DH only

813
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: in some leagues, I believe according to our site on

814
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: Yahoo he's outfield eligible. On ESPN and CBS he's DH only,

815
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: which is why he is kind of listed as you know,

816
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: rostered higher in Yahoo. This would be a reason for that.

817
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: So that also, you know, plays a role in evaluating him.

818
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: What do you make of Rooker? Obviously we know he's

819
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: great last year and we talked about him a lot

820
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: on the SHO last year actually too, But what do

821
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: you make about him for ranking him in twenty twenty five.

822
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a tough one because of what you said.

823
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's thirty. He's not ancient, but he

824
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: also didn't really break out until he was thirty or

825
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 2: maybe you know, like twenty eight. You know, count twenty

826
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: twenty three as his breakout. But if if Brent Brooker

827
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: is twenty five years old, he's the first round pick,

828
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: and you know, you're kind of like projecting it out.

829
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: But since he's not, and since you know, like the

830
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: babbet was elevated, but you know, expect the batting average

831
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: is still two sixty six. If you can sign up

832
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: for two sixty six and forty home runs and then

833
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: also sprinkle in double digit stolen bases, like everyone is

834
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: looking for that on draft day. But he is is

835
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: difficult to draft for or to rank for the reasons

836
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: you mentioned. It's kind of hard to trust this late

837
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: breakout the Babbitt was inflated, still like an incredible hitter.

838
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: The ballpark thing is really interesting because it seems like

839
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: the dimensions it's not going to be like a danetin.

840
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: It seems like the dimensions for this ballpark are going

841
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: to be pretty similar to the Coliseum in Oakland, just

842
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: with with less foul territory. But also who knows how

843
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: this park is going to play. The balls could be

844
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: flying out of there just based on you know how

845
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: you know these smaller ballparks, you know, like smaller stadiums

846
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: ballpark type of things play, or maybe it has like

847
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: a really tough batters eye, like like what's going on

848
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: Seattle where it's just like hard to see there. So

849
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: you don't want to like over emphasize the ballpark stuff,

850
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: but it's something to think about that makes it difficult

851
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: to rank anyone on the a's But you would have

852
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: to assume it's not gonna be worse than the Colosseum,

853
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: you would think.

854
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I think the general consensus from people smarter than me

855
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: has been that it's you yeah, can you imagine is

856
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: that it'll be hitter more hitter friendly than the Colosseum,

857
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: but still would skew towards Pitcher friendly. I'm not going

858
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: to pretend to have like a ton of knowledge or

859
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 1: expertise about how that will actually play. It'll be it'll

860
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: be like a very key storyline to pay attention to

861
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: early in the year, certainly, but my expectation is better

862
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: than the Colosseum, but still picture friendly.

863
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, like we'll say, there's so much

864
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: unknown there, but yeah, it makes him, you know, difficult

865
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: to rank because of you see this production and you

866
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: I kind of just want to sign up for it again.

867
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: But also it kind of makes you a little nervous

868
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: based on, you know, not the long drag record there.

869
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I will ultimately end up

870
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: drafting him ahead of ADP because at least on the

871
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: power this is not his first time hitting thirty home runs,

872
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: so I think it's reasonable to expect a healthy season

873
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: is going to be another at thirty ish home run

874
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: year from him. Whether or not he gets one hundred

875
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: RBI in this lineup, who's to say whether or not

876
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: he steals another ten basis? Who's to say to me? Like,

877
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: the real question mark of should he be going where

878
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: he's going is the batting average. And in the modern era,

879
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: you can stomach a lower back If you're giving me

880
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: thirty three home runs and nine stolen bases, I think

881
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: it's a pretty with the upside of maybe a decent

882
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: batting average too, building in some downside possibility as well.

883
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: To me, that sounds worth it. He's ranked sixtieth in

884
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: ECR right now, which is almost exactly on line with ADP.

885
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: To me, like a late fifth round pick, I'll be

886
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: I'll be happy to take him, I think with a

887
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: with an early fifth round pick, maybe even like a

888
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: late fourth depending on how my team looks in the

889
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: early stages of a draft. I think that's good value.

890
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: Would you rather have Brent Rooker or Tiascar Hernandez?

891
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I think I would rather have Rooker. Taskar is fifty

892
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: fifth in ECR, so obviously they're they're very close. His

893
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: ADP is slightly lower, though it's sixty three. My gut

894
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: reaction to that the task obviously like thirty three home

895
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: runs last year, twelve solen bases, so like a good

896
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: a good comp there. We know, we know that lineup

897
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: certainly looks a lot different than the Athletics lineup. My

898
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: gut reaction when you ask me that question is Rooker.

899
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: But I think they're probably very close. Yeah, that's why

900
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: I asked, do you do you have a clear lean

901
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: on that.

902
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: No, that's why I asked that they're They're pretty similar,

903
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: maybe a round a part, but I think I think

904
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: I would go Rooker just because of the power potential.

905
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: You know, you're potentially getting like twelve years.

906
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: They're back to back at it at outfield. They're outfielder

907
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: seventeen and outfielder eighteen.

908
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could get twelve more home runs

909
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: from Rooker, which is worth it to you know.

910
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's if Rooker is outfield eligible.

911
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: If he's not, very much changes as the calculus depends.

912
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: You're in, all right, who's your other player you want to.

913
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: So fellow Dodger to Oscar Hernandez, Roki Sasaki And really

914
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: it's just the unknown here. Just I feel like there's

915
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: a lot of like when his name was kind of

916
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: first floated, we heard a lot of, Oh, he might

917
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: need some time in the minors, like he's really really intriguing,

918
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: like really young pitcher, really intriguing prospect, you know, and

919
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: then he signs with the Dodgers, and all of a sudden,

920
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: it's just like, Oh, he's penciled in. He's going to

921
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: be awesome, and he's being drafted really aggressively. And I

922
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 2: just think because of the unknown and because of how

923
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: deep the Dodgers are, it makes it really difficult for

924
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: me to rank because I don't want to be too

925
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: aggressive on him because the Dodgers have the luxury of

926
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: just like rolling out a six man rotation or just

927
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: like sitting him down for a little while, at which point,

928
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: you know, you already have the uncertainty of, like, this

929
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: guy's never pitched in the in you know, the major

930
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: leagues before. And I'm not disagreeing with all the you know,

931
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: as you would say, smarter people than me who were

932
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: projecting him to be really good, because he was really

933
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: really good in another league. And so it's just like

934
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: the unknown of like, we've never seen this guy pitch

935
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: in the majors, and you know, I am confident he's

936
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: gonna be good. But also he's on a really deep

937
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: Dodgers team, and there's the potential that you drafted him

938
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: aggressively and then does he just you know, he's in

939
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: a six man rotation or he gets sent down for

940
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: a month, and you just like you're just like stuck

941
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: with that roster spot. And so I think I'm probably

942
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: not gonna have a ton of him. You know, in Dynasty,

943
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: he's the one on one, Like Dynasty rookie drafts, he's

944
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: the one on one pick this year. But in in

945
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: redraft leagues, he just makes me nervous going where he's going.

946
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: It looks like I don't know if he pulled up

947
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: the ADP, but it was like around like one twenty.

948
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: It's just after one oh so it's.

949
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: One o one. So I have him around one twenty one,

950
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: twenty five and he's just at like one oh one.

951
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: So I'm probably gonna have a.

952
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: Ton of He's forty six amongst pictures in ranking and

953
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: his ADP's one oh one.

954
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's scary for me. That's you know, you

955
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: have to be really confident that he's really, really good

956
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: and that the Dodgers aren't.

957
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Going to play the lips. Let me ask you this.

958
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: Yamamoto pitched ninety innings last year. In those ninety innings,

959
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: he had an ERA of exactly three. His whip was

960
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: one eleven. He had one hundred and five strikeouts in

961
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: those ninety innings, twenty two walks. In the innings we

962
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: get from Rokie, I'm not going to have you guess

963
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: how many innings he throws because it's the Dodgers and

964
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: first year and all that. But in the innings we get,

965
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: will he be better or worse than the innings we

966
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: got from Yamamoto last year?

967
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Yama Moto is a better prospect,

968
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: so I think worse.

969
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: It's a high bar to clear. I'm not saying it's

970
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: like an easy thing. I tend to agree that I

971
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: think he'll be worse.

972
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: My main thing is like, look at the Dodgers and like,

973
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: you know, we've been complaining all year. Like earlier in

974
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: the year on Slack, we talked about, like you know,

975
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: doing some rapid reaction stuff for like players signing with teams,

976
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: and I joked with Welsh, I was like, just do

977
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: all of them for the Dodgers because seventy five percent

978
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: of them will be right and you won't have to

979
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: redo them, and lo and behold that was that was

980
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: oddly accurate. But if you look at their pictures, Yamamoto, Snell, Glass, Now, Sasaki, Gonsolin,

981
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: and that's not even including Clayton Kershaw and who you know,

982
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 2: Apparently it's just going to be back with them, and

983
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, whatever happens with Bobby Miller, you get a.

984
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: Lot of wins. Though, Like anytime these guys are on

985
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: the mound, you're expecting them to get you a win,

986
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: which isn't.

987
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: Dustin May a really good baseball pitching prospect. He's like

988
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: SP nine on the Dodgers, So like, if he struggles

989
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: even a little bit, he's just not going to be

990
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: in the start of rotation. And I feel like we're

991
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: kind of taking that for granted right now.

992
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: I think Roki's really good. I really like him as

993
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: a prospect. I think he's on par with Yamamoto, who's better.

994
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, Rokie's obviously young too, but

995
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: I really like him. I don't know, I actually wouldn't

996
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I went in this conversation. It's funny. I'm kind of

997
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: like thinking you through on the show. I started this

998
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: conversation thinking, I think an ADP of one oh one

999
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: is actually quite reasonable, and I'll probably want to draft

1000
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: him a lot as we're As we're talking about I'm

1001
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: actually thinking one of the one's actually pretty high. There's

1002
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: probably gonna be other players that I like better in

1003
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: that range, and somebody in my I think i'll want

1004
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: him sooner than your ranking of like that one twenty range.

1005
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: But I think there will be somebody in all of

1006
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: my leagues who wants to before, maybe maybe not drafting before,

1007
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: but it only takes one right person to be higher

1008
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: on him than me, and I get the feeling that'll happen.

1009
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: In a lot of Yeah, he's a sexy name. He's

1010
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 2: going to go around earlier than a lot of leagues.

1011
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so that's rookie. So those are our names.

1012
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: So just as a recap Jackson Holliday and Zach Netto,

1013
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: Shane McLanahan and Specter Strider and Brent Rooker and Rookie Sasaki.

1014
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: We got some listener picks here as well. A couple

1015
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: of hitters. The first one and like I think you

1016
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: and I both easily could have picked this name if

1017
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: it hadn't been suggested by a listener. It's a name

1018
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: that we talked about last year. As you know, we

1019
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: couldn't believe where he was going in some rounds, and

1020
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's some drafts rather and then early on

1021
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: it looks like a really smart pick, and then went

1022
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: back to the usual. It's Mike Trout, best baseball player

1023
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: of you know, the last decade has been so many

1024
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, Kelly in her kind of expert note on

1025
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: the site, starts off his little you know, expert note

1026
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: as Mike Trout has firmly landed in the what if

1027
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: category for both fantasy and real life baseball. That's a

1028
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: great way to put it. We saw in April of

1029
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: last year, Holy cow, ten home runs in a month,

1030
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, also six dolen bases. You know, this is

1031
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: back to top five pick in fantasy drafts, Mike Trout.

1032
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: And then it, you know, reversed back the other way.

1033
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: Snip snap, snip snap of Okay, here he's heard again.

1034
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: We see it every year. You know, when was the

1035
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: last time he played anywhere close to a full season.

1036
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: It's been like six years at this point, so I

1037
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: think it's the perfect name to include here because when

1038
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: he's on, when he's on the field, I once again

1039
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: am pretty confident he's gonna be darn good. And yet

1040
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: you look at the games played totals going back, sorry

1041
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: from last year twenty nine eighty two, one hundred and

1042
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six fifty three, which was the COVID year obviously,

1043
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and then twenty nineteen he played one hundred and thirty four.

1044
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: That's not even really like that's like twenty games, shy.

1045
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: It's last time he played one hundred and forty games

1046
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: in a season was twenty eighteen. I don't know how.

1047
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can draft him, honestly, Like, like.

1048
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, one hundred thirty four games, forty five

1049
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: home runs in one hundred and thirty four games. Now,

1050
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: granted that was a bounty ball year, but yeah.

1051
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, he's ranked his ADP's ninety eight. He's amongst

1052
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: hitters seventy first in UCR. I just I can't. I

1053
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: can't do it there, I am, I'm not no part

1054
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: of me, like, not even like a little bit. Am

1055
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: I confident that he's going to play one hundred games

1056
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: this season? You just can't be. It's not like you

1057
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: get healthier as you get older, right, Like we both

1058
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: had surgery this year. We know the older you get,

1059
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: the more easy it is to get hurt, the harder

1060
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: is to bounce back from those injuries. He's not really

1061
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: at his early thirties anymore. He's like borderline in his

1062
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: mid thirties. I just don't see how you can possibly

1063
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: have any degree of confidence. Like like again adp. Ninety

1064
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: eight Sasaki's eightp. One oh one, I'd rather take the

1065
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: chance on Rokie different part.

1066
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you that I was gonna see

1067
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: you that take a chance.

1068
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: On him, because I just I don't want to be

1069
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: the guy with the headache of Mike Trout. And it's

1070
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: really sad to say, but that's that's my stance on it.

1071
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm doing it one more time. Give you

1072
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: one more year of Mike Trout, one last job, one

1073
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: more year. One of these years you're gonna be right.

1074
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of a hypocrite because I'm in the

1075
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: opposite camp for Byron Buckston, who I'm just like I've

1076
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: been avoiding for a decade. I don't think they have

1077
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: similar ceilings. I think Mike Trout's ceiling is the best

1078
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: player in baseball. But and I talked to him, do

1079
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: you think that's still true? I mean no, no.

1080
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, well, A, we haven't seen

1081
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: him be the best player in baseball in a while,

1082
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: and B his competition for that title is stronger than

1083
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: it's ever been, you know, between Otani and you know

1084
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: the had five other names that are the.

1085
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: Other thing from fantasy and protective is he doesn't run anymore,

1086
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: which was the real kind of like.

1087
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: He had six stolen bases in April of last year.

1088
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, he was running last year in April,

1089
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: because because we talked about the time had six the

1090
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: last four years combined, he did.

1091
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: He had exactly That's exactly what he had. He had

1092
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: as many stolen bases last year in just twenty nine

1093
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: games as he did the previous four years combined in

1094
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: some quick math, something like two hundred and eighty games.

1095
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a return there. And he

1096
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: also had the worst at batting average of his career,

1097
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: which I don't think got talked about as much last

1098
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: year because his season ended so early.

1099
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: He expected numbers were it was expected to be better

1100
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: than what it was. There was some bad luck.

1101
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: There, that's true. The backup was under two hundred, so

1102
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: like clearly a huge outlier there, but it does it

1103
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: does stand out in looking at his stat you know,

1104
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: log year by year, just how much lower it was.

1105
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they're moving him to like right field,

1106
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: and they're like that'll fix everything, like we'll keep him

1107
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: healthy and right field. And I was like, sure, okay,

1108
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: we have to.

1109
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: Come up with a bet for this year on Mike

1110
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Trout and I will gladly take the side of fading him.

1111
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: Oh not gladly. I'm not happy about it, but I

1112
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: will confidently take the side of fading him if you

1113
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: want to.

1114
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's a good that's a good plug for

1115
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: the YouTube comments too, of a what are some ideas

1116
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: for a good Mike Trot bet for this year? Because

1117
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing it one more year. I'm in on

1118
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: Mike Trout. I'm going to do it one more time.

1119
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm going down with the ship.

1120
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: Yes, please drop in the comments some ideas both for

1121
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: the bet and for what, you know, what we should

1122
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: be looking at should we be looking at, you know,

1123
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: certain stats. I would even do a bet on just

1124
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: games played. Does he hit X number? So let us

1125
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: know what you think we should do there. Wilson Cantare

1126
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: is the other name that was starting out by the listeners.

1127
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: You know, Cardinals catcher thirty two. He his eightp's one

1128
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: o four. So another guy kind of right in this

1129
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: range near Trout and Rokie.

1130
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: He is.

1131
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: Somebody. It looks like I keep checking the player news

1132
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: and all these guys just to make sure I didn't miss

1133
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: anything the last two weeks, like oh, he you know,

1134
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: got hurt or whatever. Started at first base for the

1135
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: Cardinals on Saturday in a spring training game. So I

1136
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna be splitting time there with Burlison first

1137
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: base and designated hitter. Still will be catcher eligible going

1138
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: into this year for for a leagues, which is almost

1139
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: certainly where you're going to be playing him. But that's

1140
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: always really appealing as a guy who's not, you know,

1141
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: taking that way and tear behind the plate. But who

1142
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: is eligible there? How are you ranking, contrarist? Do you

1143
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: agree with him as a guy who's very difficult for

1144
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: you to rank?

1145
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought this was a great pull from the

1146
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: YouTube comments last week. For what for what you said

1147
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: he's kind of every year, every year or every few years,

1148
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 2: there's like that that player who comes up who's catcher

1149
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: elible eligible but isn't catching and is playing every day.

1150
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Because the catch with like catchers is one they need

1151
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: more time off than other players, and two just like

1152
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: the wear and tear of catching, just you know, your

1153
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: offensive production isn't as consistent. But if we can like

1154
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: Wilson Contreroz is a really good hitter, and if he's

1155
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: playing first base slash thh and not catching every day

1156
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: and it's playing every day, now we're talking in terms

1157
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: of you know, kind of like a cheat code for catcher.

1158
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to overvalue it and just kind of

1159
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: like go too too crazy. But his what's his ADP?

1160
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: I think I think it's exciting. I mean he's hit

1161
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: over to sixty the last two years. In eighty four games.

1162
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: Last year he had fifteen home runs. If you're giving

1163
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: me more games and less wear and tearror at defensively

1164
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: that's and can still play him at catcher. That's really

1165
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: exciting to me. I think it's a great pick and

1166
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: I will be ranking him higher than ADP of one

1167
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: oh four. I can tell you that right now.

1168
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and going right around Mike Trout and Roki Sasaki.

1169
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 2: What a fascinating trio of players to to rank there?

1170
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: Where's he? Uh an ecr amongst catchers? I didn't pull

1171
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: that up. I pulled up. Now he is seventh, and

1172
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: he's behind William Contreras, ADLEI, Salvador Perez, Diez Raleigh, and

1173
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: Will Smith. So fair. I don't know that I would make.

1174
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: I want to make a case again for him being

1175
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: higher than where he is, but I think I'd be

1176
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: very happy to have him with you know, has that

1177
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: seventh catcher off the board? Is that is that about

1178
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: right for you?

1179
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? If not a little bit higher, just kind of

1180
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: who would you knock down? I mean, I'm a big

1181
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 2: Will Smith guy, but I think I could I could

1182
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: justify putting him above Will Smith just because if we're

1183
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: just counting on playing time, I think the counting stats

1184
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: could go above Will Smith based on playing time alone.

1185
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: Cal Raley's a big power.

1186
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean if he if he plays, I don't know

1187
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: what he's going to do. I mean he's in his

1188
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: third If Contreras plays one hundred and forty five hundred

1189
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: and fifty games this year at less taxing defensive position.

1190
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it is more of what she could they were

1191
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: even given credence to. Maybe he should be like fourth

1192
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: on this list. Like that's it is. It's math right

1193
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Like these other these

1194
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: other catchers are not going to play, They are not

1195
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: going to get as many played appearances.

1196
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: As he is.

1197
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: Maybe a guy like Adley, Like if they call up

1198
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, Pisioh and give Adley more time at DH

1199
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: they do like to have him play every day. Obviously,

1200
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: Salva Perez is somebody who's like you know, been very

1201
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: durable and played a ton. But like in general, a

1202
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: catcher is not going to play as much as a

1203
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: guy like Canterreraris might play this year. And that's that's

1204
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: It's simple.

1205
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: And also just like as a hitter, he also like

1206
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: if you if you look at the other names in

1207
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 2: the list, like a cal Raley, like you're sacrificing something

1208
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: because you're getting a lot of power from him, You're

1209
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: sacrifice in the average You're like, you're not really sacrificing

1210
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: Wilson contrast, because he is just a good hitter across

1211
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 2: the board.

1212
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: I play in a very long running two catcher league

1213
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: and I hate it because to catcher, leagues are the

1214
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: bane of my existence. Most of the time, I'll be

1215
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: really i think aggressively trying to get contrarasts. In a

1216
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: league like that, I think he's gonna be really valuable,

1217
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: and in a format like that where you have to

1218
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: go really deep at such a crappy position. So you

1219
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: have great, great listener picks, both Trout and Cocrais great

1220
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: options there. We don't really have anything else today. We

1221
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: don't have our usual you know, wrap up the show

1222
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: with X Y or Z, because we're certainly not going

1223
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 1: to do uh, you know, our key games to watch

1224
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: when we're still in spring training Pitts. But but yeah,

1225
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: two Star Pitcher contest in February. But thank you everybody

1226
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: for for tuning in and for all the comments last week.

1227
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: Please you'll continue to let us know what you want

1228
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: to hear from us. Next week's episode, we are doing

1229
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: an all blank team, so like an all sleeper team

1230
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: and all breakouts team and all first year you know,

1231
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: our second year player team. But we haven't landed on

1232
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: what we want to do the team yet. We think

1233
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: they could go a couple of different directions. So what

1234
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: we might do is do a couple of them and

1235
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: move kind of quicker through our picks for each of

1236
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: our all insert something here team, And we want you

1237
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: guys to let us know what you want us to hear.

1238
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: Should it be an all bust team. Should it be

1239
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: an all speed team and all power team and all

1240
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: well rounded player team and all al East team. I

1241
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just trying to throw out a different areas.

1242
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: All injury risk team like the Mike Trump Byron b.

1243
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: All injury risk team that's a good one, you know,

1244
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: or more standard class to kind of all break out,

1245
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: all sleeper. Whatever you guys want to hear, we will

1246
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: try and do a couple of them in next week's episode.

1247
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: So feel free to throw out a few different options

1248
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: if you have them, and feel free to let us

1249
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: know players if you make a suggestion on that team

1250
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: that you think should be on that team. We'll let

1251
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: you know if we agree when we make our picks

1252
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: here next week. So please please let us know we

1253
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: thought of today's episode. If there are any other players

1254
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: that you are really struggling to rank this year, let

1255
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: us know. We'll chat with you in the comments as well,

1256
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: but definitely tell us what kind of teams you want

1257
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: us to throw out next week. For Mayor, I'm ryan warmly. Also,

1258
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: I didn't say this all righty, but thank you very

1259
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: much to Kelly for filling in last week for me,

1260
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: where I was very much not in a position to

1261
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: be doing any kind of show in those first few

1262
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: days post surgery, so I really appreciate her filling in.

1263
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: She's gonna be on the show a ton this year,

1264
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: of course, as she always will be so for Kelly

1265
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: last week, for Mayor and myself this week. Thanks everybody

1266
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: for tuning in and we'll see again next time. Thanks

1267
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,680
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1268
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,080
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1269
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1270
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,440
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