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Speaker 1: It's right, It's right, Ah, not right now.
Speaker 5: We have the mother.
Speaker 1: We have a super dupa legend. I want to say
Speaker 1: he's the first Oakland rapper. I want to say he's
Speaker 1: the first person because because when I when when I
Speaker 1: heard out, I found out that he was actually from
Speaker 1: South Central first, but we're going to get into that later.
Speaker 1: But the first person, he's the guy who single handedly
Speaker 1: made be.
Speaker 2: What's my favorite word? I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Every time I say, bitch, I grabbed my collar. I
Speaker 1: don't know why like that. This is how much it is.
Speaker 1: The hyphee movement, everything derived from this guy. He's the
Speaker 1: first himself. He's on the East Coast, especially in New York.
Speaker 1: He's the first person that we saluted as the first
Speaker 1: pimp and rat, the first person that made people bow down,
Speaker 1: the first person that made bitch cool.
Speaker 2: Actually, and he's.
Speaker 1: A motherfucking legend. And every promoter I ever speak to,
Speaker 1: I ever talk to, they say Short is the easiest
Speaker 1: person to work with because he's just coming in there.
Speaker 1: He's just pimp in.
Speaker 2: Let's make annoys get too short. Too Short.
Speaker 1: First off, let me just thank you man for being
Speaker 1: a part of this man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We only interview on legends, that's what we're doing. And
Speaker 1: too Short, you was the first person to make bitch famous.
Speaker 1: How did that happen?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, like you mentioned a minute ago, I
Speaker 5: did really grow up in the South central l that makes.
Speaker 1: A noise from south central.
Speaker 5: So you know, I got a good, colorful childhood. I've
Speaker 5: seen it all, you know. So you was gang banging
Speaker 5: and little nigga except my older brother was banging. But
Speaker 5: you know, you never keep you real close to it.
Speaker 5: So I'm in there.
Speaker 2: You know, all my cousins.
Speaker 5: We live all over the city, you know, the hood
Speaker 5: and sh We're real colorful, you know, upbringing just seeing
Speaker 5: what was going on in the city like La in
Speaker 5: the early mid seventies, late seventies, and I moved to
Speaker 5: Oakland right.
Speaker 2: After ninth grade. How old was you? I was, I
Speaker 2: was fourteen.
Speaker 5: And then you would you would think of California, California
Speaker 5: and just just up the street.
Speaker 1: But it's just like it's a totally different.
Speaker 5: Probably like a kid from New York moving upstate or
Speaker 5: something like.
Speaker 2: The difference all moving like Philly or something like.
Speaker 5: So I get to the Bay, it's a whole different
Speaker 5: worlds and it's like it's it's like even more colorful
Speaker 5: and more out just out there in front of you
Speaker 5: where you know you.
Speaker 2: It just got a little more personal for me. I'm
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 5: I'm coming to you left.
Speaker 1: You left South Central at fourteen, so you like almost
Speaker 1: almost a grown man. And then now you come to
Speaker 1: the Pampion because that's this is the.
Speaker 5: LA is like real territorial La. At that time. It's like,
Speaker 5: you know, even to this day, it's like from in
Speaker 5: the inner city. It's like from neighborhood to neighborhood, the
Speaker 5: faces that you know, who's running the ship and where
Speaker 5: you're supposed to be not supposed to be you hit
Speaker 5: the wrong block. Now whe're from in La was that
Speaker 5: I'm an eightieth enormous.
Speaker 2: I know, Oh my god, normally the riots and.
Speaker 5: Then my first cousins on eighty fourth and Hoover, So
Speaker 5: just that's just that's the crypt that's crip crip. But
Speaker 5: that's not very fucking far away. But it was like
Speaker 5: it was like two different to travel that there to there.
Speaker 5: You got to know your mother fucking route because they're
Speaker 5: gonna take your bike.
Speaker 2: They're gonna take something if you hit the wrong black.
Speaker 5: So I get to Oakland and it's not it's not
Speaker 5: really about little packs of gangs, and it's not about
Speaker 5: blue or red. It's not about the neighborhood so much.
Speaker 5: It was just like who's getting money, who's who's However, so.
Speaker 1: Now how far in Oakland was Fillmore Street because that's
Speaker 1: the that's the first thing I heard about Oakland Filmore.
Speaker 2: Street, Fillmore on in West Oakland. Uh is that is
Speaker 2: that when I.
Speaker 5: Filbert is in West uh. Fillmore Is is a neighborhood
Speaker 5: in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, freak that down for yeah.
Speaker 5: The Fillmore iss very historical neighborhood too. Oakland has a
Speaker 5: lot of history. You know, you got different parts of
Speaker 5: the Bay. The Bay. You look at the Bay like
Speaker 5: you look at the fire boroughs in New York. It's
Speaker 5: different sizes of the Bay. East forty of them over
Speaker 5: there from Vallet, Whole Blet. It's a little town called
Speaker 5: East Paula Alto. They got a lot of you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of backbone and some you know, San Francisco
Speaker 5: got a couple of little neighborhoods over there, Hunter's Point
Speaker 5: in philm and sunny Dale and they you know, they
Speaker 5: real reptable neighborhoods. But you know, I'm from East Oakland.
Speaker 5: I got mines from the East side. So I show
Speaker 5: up and I'm just being a sponge man.
Speaker 2: It's a new place.
Speaker 5: I'm looking around, you know. I go to Freemont High
Speaker 5: School and Ship and it's like I go to school
Speaker 5: and it's a nigga named Frank the Bank who's pimping.
Speaker 2: He's a twelfth grader pimping. Hold on, let's make some
Speaker 2: noise for.
Speaker 5: He's pimping and one of his holes, Yeah, one of
Speaker 5: his holes go to the school too. Okay, I'm in
Speaker 5: this city now, I'm like, whoa. So it's like this
Speaker 5: nigga got another hole come show up after school every
Speaker 5: day and picking him in up him and the young
Speaker 5: ho up and they go to work. So it's like
Speaker 5: it was that type of environment.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: You gotta get cats riding around in like limousines. Niggas
Speaker 5: driving the limousine. If he rolled it back one of
Speaker 5: that it's like five holes back there and then his
Speaker 5: hose and it's not the driver.
Speaker 1: And that's the first time you're coming from South Central
Speaker 1: and that's the first time you see pimping.
Speaker 5: And then at the same time, it's like Oakland was
Speaker 5: a lot different. Man. It was like niggas was doing
Speaker 5: like car bombs and ship.
Speaker 3: Damn, And.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by car bombs.
Speaker 5: Niggas was blowing each other's cars up while they was
Speaker 5: at war. They chopped your body up and put you
Speaker 5: in the plastic bag on the side of it.
Speaker 2: Was going down.
Speaker 5: They was doing mafia ship seventies, early ages like Felix Mitch.
Speaker 5: You ever heard of Felix Mitchell heard it.
Speaker 2: But this is not the Spanish gangs right now, this before.
Speaker 5: This black dudes, Oh, this is the mob. They called
Speaker 5: him something mob too, but it was just it was
Speaker 5: different than the gang. The Blue and Red. People don't
Speaker 5: know that. On the West coast to this day, you
Speaker 5: got the l A Cats. They went to San Diego, Uh, Sacramento, Denver.
Speaker 1: Every every city. He wanted to pop my call every
Speaker 1: time you say.
Speaker 5: Las Vegas, Phoenix, Arizona. They went to all these cities, Seattle, Washington, Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 5: and they converted motherfuckers into being crypts. So it's all
Speaker 5: up and down the West. You never found that shit
Speaker 5: in the Bay. The Bay was like, we don't get it,
Speaker 5: we don't want it. And you know, even though.
Speaker 1: Because even the Spanish gangs they might like fly or color, but.
Speaker 5: It was doing the North and South shit and it
Speaker 5: ain't the same science as crips and bloods is La
Speaker 5: like a lot of cities are like you got Chicago
Speaker 5: niggas that go around away for Chicago and Confnt niggas
Speaker 5: and the vice lords and gds and everything. You know,
Speaker 5: it just didn't take to the Bay Blue and Red
Speaker 5: and all that shit. So I'm just taking this shit
Speaker 5: in as this new cat in the city. And I
Speaker 5: started rapping, just fucking around on the mic. All my
Speaker 5: early raps, like nineteen eighty eighty one, my shit was
Speaker 5: like kind of like whatever whatever I was getting from,
Speaker 5: like sugar Hill Records or something, just that vibe about,
Speaker 5: you know, the party and shit and all that shit.
Speaker 5: So I'm rapping in different people's instrumentals. And the one
Speaker 5: thing that changed everything for me was when I first
Speaker 5: heard the message and I sat there, I'm walking down
Speaker 5: the street. I remember I had my radio and all
Speaker 5: I take me. But I'm listening to this record too.
Speaker 5: I been bumping hip hop for about three years at
Speaker 5: the time, and I'm listening to this record, and I
Speaker 5: could clear his day picture New York City because the
Speaker 5: nigga was described in New York at that time. Never okay, continue,
Speaker 5: so I can see New York. We wasn't doing videos
Speaker 5: and shit back then. You just listen to the music.
Speaker 5: So the niggas giving me New York, and I just
Speaker 5: had the idea of a lifetime. I have to give
Speaker 5: these niggas Oakland. So so my upbringing in La and
Speaker 5: then moving to Oakland and taking it in like a
Speaker 5: like a canvas or something like, you know, and absorbing it.
Speaker 5: You know, something that I didn't receive from birth. I
Speaker 5: just came into it. I started writing about it. It was
Speaker 5: it became like my music the city of Oakland. And
Speaker 5: even later in life, I could get stuck in the
Speaker 5: studio and just think of some crazy shit I seen
Speaker 5: in Oakland, some shit I heard in Oakland, some shit
Speaker 5: I think about Oakland and just start writing, and shit
Speaker 5: just made me write songs.
Speaker 1: So what's the name of their first album again out.
Speaker 5: Don't Stop Rapping? And I named it that for a
Speaker 5: reason and.
Speaker 1: You didn't stop rapping stop five?
Speaker 2: So so sure, yes's crazy. That is crazy. So and
Speaker 2: what year did that drop? Nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty five. I was born in nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: so you know, So if I don't, if I know that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big fan. I've always been a big.
Speaker 2: Fan of you. You was raping job for a long time.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's salute to that rape job on those
Speaker 1: right fuck job.
Speaker 5: You know you saw that Planet Rock documentary. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: relationship between crack, cocaine and hip hop.
Speaker 2: That's not the on VH one.
Speaker 5: It was either VAGE one or BC. I think it's
Speaker 5: one planet talking about one throughout the history of hip
Speaker 5: hop and how the cocaine and the crackler.
Speaker 2: I'm from that ship.
Speaker 1: Because the way that people say and Freeway Wicked Ross
Speaker 1: is they say that.
Speaker 2: Crack cocaine invented in Oakland.
Speaker 5: It was LA but then it came they used cities
Speaker 5: like Oakland to kind of like the distributed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: So how was that like seeing the city coming from
Speaker 1: South Central going to Oakland and then you seeing it
Speaker 1: not having cracked and then now crack exposed.
Speaker 5: So first and foremost, I gotta say, I never saw
Speaker 5: dupe in my life.
Speaker 1: This makes a nooyse s' something dope.
Speaker 2: Pussy, Yeah already.
Speaker 5: But that being said, so before eighty five, before like
Speaker 5: eighty four eighty five, you know, you remember that ship,
Speaker 5: it was like a nigga. A nigga could be like
Speaker 5: what I call nigga rich Man. You might just your
Speaker 5: hus your hustle might only back then might have got
Speaker 5: you like three four five grand, but you.
Speaker 2: Had a car.
Speaker 5: You always had a why with a rubber band? He
Speaker 5: was he was bawling. And the Crack changed that ship.
Speaker 5: I remember, I remember the crack did a few things, man.
Speaker 1: Because I heard Oakland was like not Oakland, but I
Speaker 1: mean that area was a great area.
Speaker 2: Like prior to the drugs.
Speaker 5: You could move around a little bit. It wasn't too
Speaker 5: fucking dangerous if you do free raidss later on later
Speaker 5: on continue, but it's the kind of place where you
Speaker 5: could you had to get yourself in some trouble if
Speaker 5: you did it, if you asked for it, you was
Speaker 5: gonna get it to the fist appropriately. But after the crack,
Speaker 5: you would notice like a and you know this shit too,
Speaker 5: it would be like little niggas, the little niggas that
Speaker 5: used to probably couldn't fight too good and shit, and
Speaker 5: it wasn't like you know, these little niggas was respected.
Speaker 5: Now they got that money that sacked and they got
Speaker 5: a couple of soldiers and the like this little niggas
Speaker 5: a boss now like two three years into it, like
Speaker 5: this nigga is a kingpin. And it just changed that.
Speaker 5: You know, we didn't before the crack, we didn't have
Speaker 5: a handguns that could shoot seventeen bullets. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying that the most you might get shoot six
Speaker 5: shots and the motherfucker you know, tell you why you
Speaker 5: got shot after the crack, you don't know why you
Speaker 5: got shot, nigga seventeen and that's just if it's a handgun.
Speaker 1: So do you believe this story that the CIA actually
Speaker 1: did that it started?
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good version that it's true.
Speaker 5: But the bigger version now is the whole big story
Speaker 5: of the whole mass incarceration thing, that the whole ship
Speaker 5: was a scan. So that is down there like we
Speaker 5: we all this ship we called coke wrap. We're down
Speaker 5: there like we fell for the trap. You know they
Speaker 5: call what they sell dope, and the spot called the trap.
Speaker 5: That I mean, it says it all.
Speaker 1: So so listen, I want to get into the pimping
Speaker 1: thing because you know why I want to get into
Speaker 1: the pimpping thing because I don't give a fuck with
Speaker 1: any n y C. Nigga. Tell you, we didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about no Pipman until we heard you talking about it.
Speaker 1: When you heard you talking about it, then we seen
Speaker 1: Bishop don wud. We've seen them, you know, the players,
Speaker 1: uh players ball, We've seen all that. Come on, he.
Speaker 2: Stopped the phone.
Speaker 1: But so so so so, so when was the first
Speaker 1: time he was introduced to pimping? And then how did
Speaker 1: you realize that that was that was gonna be your life?
Speaker 5: All right? Well, my infatuation started with the movies of
Speaker 5: the seventies because they put it in there so superflow.
Speaker 5: And then, like I said, my cousins living on eighty
Speaker 5: fourth and Hoover, if you go to the other end
Speaker 5: of the block, you're gonna figure Rower And that's.
Speaker 2: Where going eighty fourth and Hoover, that's in La.
Speaker 5: So then when I get to Oakland, I see these
Speaker 5: niggas rideing around limousines with hoses, then getting picked up
Speaker 5: in school from his hose and.
Speaker 2: Is looking at me back there's like that back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then me and my little homie would go
Speaker 5: down to Sam Pablo where they used to see pussy
Speaker 5: in the prior to Crack, they looked like the fucking
Speaker 5: modeling runaway and ship.
Speaker 2: Hose were beautiful prior to Crack. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Soor because you know, Crack gave pipping and home like
Speaker 5: this ugly sma. A lot of pemps got smoked out,
Speaker 5: a lot of holes got smoked out, and it was
Speaker 5: like then we start saying ship like crack.
Speaker 2: Horse before that, your bitch had to be a superstar.
Speaker 5: And even to this day, I want to shout out
Speaker 5: some of my young pimping homies right now that they're
Speaker 5: pimping on some dying pieces that you would never think
Speaker 5: was a bitch is not making three hundred dollars when
Speaker 5: she left, she's bringing in a thousand. She's bringing in thousands.
Speaker 5: You know, it's some holes out there on some major
Speaker 5: routes right now. So just to keep the having a
Speaker 5: live don't don't, don't get it.
Speaker 1: I keep popping my car like I'm like every time
Speaker 1: I keep.
Speaker 5: Your nigga's not wearing suits and times with match your
Speaker 5: shoes social media, they look.
Speaker 2: Like rappers money.
Speaker 5: So so I I've seen this ship, man, I start
Speaker 5: I started diving a little more into it. My thing
Speaker 5: with rapping after I heard the message was let's use
Speaker 5: the lingo of the streets, the new slang words that
Speaker 5: come out the ship that's really happening, Like, let's talk
Speaker 5: about these streets. And then it just evolved into you know,
Speaker 5: let's talk about this game. And we just started like
Speaker 5: people just you would rap about ship and you would
Speaker 5: see what motherfucker was interested in. They wanted to hear
Speaker 5: that real ship. So somewhere down the line I had
Speaker 5: I had a line in one of my.
Speaker 1: Sworn pass you too, I don't know if you smoke,
Speaker 1: Oh ship, oh ship.
Speaker 2: Too short.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that I was cool, cool, my dad,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you smoke.
Speaker 5: At a young I was about fifteen sixteen, I wrote
Speaker 5: this this one and it said it said I had
Speaker 5: sixteen holes sucking ten toes that you can bet like.
Speaker 5: It was just a line, and every time I said
Speaker 5: that in the song, Motherfucker's laughed. So I sat down
Speaker 5: by myself and said, let me write a song about
Speaker 5: each of these sixteen holes and how I met him.
Speaker 5: And that was then early version of my song that
Speaker 5: came to be real popular, called Freaky Tales. And I
Speaker 5: had a song about these sixteen holes, how I met him,
Speaker 5: I met this hole, you know. And it just started
Speaker 5: being more and more pimping. I just started digging into
Speaker 5: the game. And you you gotta you know, you got
Speaker 5: the Donald Goyn's books, you got you know, Iceberg, Slim,
Speaker 5: The Story of my Life, Phil Moore. Some of those
Speaker 5: books got some real game up in them, real game.
Speaker 5: I read this book called up broad Players. It's not
Speaker 5: very popular, but that motherfucker just is just big pipping
Speaker 5: And I started it just come to me, man, you
Speaker 5: get these ideas as a writer, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: that'd be the cold at.
Speaker 1: Fuck to just like tell this guy your story short.
Speaker 1: One time I met bis your don wan, he invited
Speaker 1: me to a joint, right and then and then so
Speaker 1: for a week I was pimping, like for just one week,
Speaker 1: just one week.
Speaker 2: Right, just one week.
Speaker 1: No, I swore I was pimping. Right, So this white
Speaker 1: bitch come on to me and I said, you bitch,
Speaker 1: you gotta.
Speaker 2: Choose, and she chose, She chose me. I ain't know
Speaker 2: what to do after that. After that short can you can?
Speaker 2: You can?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 5: Was? She chose me and started the science of the
Speaker 5: where and why? And the ship was like it's like
Speaker 5: any other business man, why is this woman gonna sell
Speaker 5: her body and give you the money?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: And you know, you put yourself in sort of like
Speaker 5: a manager role, you kind of like a kind of
Speaker 5: like her fucking fucking arapists and ship, you know, because
Speaker 5: this is gonna be crazy as hell. You gotta you
Speaker 5: gotta bring it back around every night.
Speaker 2: Because a real pimp gotta be real smart. Let's just
Speaker 2: keep it.
Speaker 5: But then the main, the main secret I think that
Speaker 5: I learned about pepping, that one that the one that
Speaker 5: let you go home and kick your ass back while
Speaker 5: she's out there working. Uh huh, is she got to
Speaker 5: be home for a purpose and you've got to give
Speaker 5: her a person.
Speaker 2: It makes a noise for for purpose. Stop stop giving
Speaker 2: that pussy away for no reason.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's anything in life. Man, if you're not driven,
Speaker 5: if you you wrapping and ship and you're not rapping
Speaker 5: for something, you're not really you're not really going for it,
Speaker 5: just on the corner freestyling and battling.
Speaker 1: I just always thought that like the pimps that didn't
Speaker 1: hit their holes and didn't do that, the best one.
Speaker 1: I thought that was the best ones because in order
Speaker 1: for you to control somebody with your mind and just
Speaker 1: talk to them, that is the illest psychological therapists, craziest ship.
Speaker 2: So how about those PEPs.
Speaker 5: But you know the pimps who I call that like
Speaker 5: finesse pipping where you could just.
Speaker 2: Make a noise.
Speaker 5: And then the other guy who got to beat the
Speaker 5: girl scared to shut up her. They call that gorilla
Speaker 5: pimp gorilla pipping. I heard about it, and you know,
Speaker 5: the Finesse pimps, they kind of laugh at the gorilla pimps.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like they look at it like the
Speaker 5: nigga's not as smart as me and he don't got
Speaker 5: as much much game as me. But it works both ways.
Speaker 5: You want to you want to pim up the whole
Speaker 5: out of fear. I personally don't think that that's even necessary,
Speaker 5: but there's a lot of niggas. It's mean nature like
Speaker 5: that to just dog the bitch out and just and
Speaker 5: just run run a house full of fear. But you know,
Speaker 5: either way, you're getting the money man because you because
Speaker 5: your record.
Speaker 1: Label was always was you was signed a job for
Speaker 1: like like twelve.
Speaker 5: No shit, like like maybe twelve thirteen, fourteen.
Speaker 2: Hours, thirteen years was You're the only album?
Speaker 5: No, it was me E forty spice one. It was.
Speaker 3: It was because I know what the tours was crazy
Speaker 3: back then.
Speaker 1: So but you was the first like official rapper from.
Speaker 5: Oakland, no doubt about it, from the whole fucking Bay area.
Speaker 2: Make some noise for that. I got damn no shit.
Speaker 5: And it has really nothing to do with my la upbringing.
Speaker 5: Either it's that I just got to Oakland. It all
Speaker 5: just happened. After I got there, I decided I could
Speaker 5: do this rap shit, and I just didn't. It just,
Speaker 5: you know, even bigger than being the first rapper up
Speaker 5: out of the bay. Bigger than that is is being
Speaker 5: a pioneer of the whole music scene, because you could
Speaker 5: be the first rapper and note the ship and we
Speaker 5: brought in that independent change the game, put your motherfucking
Speaker 5: records out, you know, And like I said, it was.
Speaker 1: Because then job came and got you. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: When we first got signed a job.
Speaker 5: I came in the game through uh through some uh,
Speaker 5: some street guys you know, Okay, particularly a guy named
Speaker 5: Dean Hodges.
Speaker 2: He's seen you.
Speaker 5: And then his little brother was was the homie we
Speaker 5: still you know, smoke weed, hangout and ship. He was
Speaker 5: just the homie we start funk around.
Speaker 2: And like his little brother rapped.
Speaker 5: But he wasn't. He wasn't really that quality where that
Speaker 5: you ever thought he was gonna get on. He was
Speaker 5: just like for the fun of it. They were in
Speaker 5: the projects rapping and ship kicking. So he was like, man,
Speaker 5: my brother got a record.
Speaker 1: Label.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, you other niggasle me take your.
Speaker 2: Boy his house.
Speaker 5: Now I knew his brother, not for having a record label.
Speaker 5: The nigga he had the sack. And if you want
Speaker 5: to get the visual Dean back then, Dean kind of
Speaker 5: you know nigga with the with the curlers in his hair, the.
Speaker 2: Green or whatever the coast.
Speaker 1: Every time they had the curlers in the head, you
Speaker 1: thought your nigga was killless.
Speaker 5: Picture of that nigga looking like a kind of like
Speaker 5: a Jimmy Hendrix, Rick James looking. Niggas just like a
Speaker 5: rock star. Him and man, I got so much game.
Speaker 5: Dean taught me how.
Speaker 2: To be a player. This nigga was a player.
Speaker 5: Niggas a player for real, I mean real player who
Speaker 5: was sitting in his house. I'm fresh out of high school.
Speaker 5: This nigga run hose in and out all day all day.
Speaker 5: Just he got the sack and he's just rockstarring the
Speaker 5: hood and he's just a house on the hill balling
Speaker 5: and the nigga. The nigga had a label, and his
Speaker 5: whole label consisted of him mm hmm, having the money,
Speaker 5: having the drug. Everybody wanted the cocaine. He said, out there,
Speaker 5: you go to Dean's house, it's a platter of cocaine
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a bitch.
Speaker 5: It's a bit over there, maybe in her and her
Speaker 5: draw panties and and bra cooking up some cokes.
Speaker 2: Want to smoke it.
Speaker 5: It's a box of weed. Just roll a joint. If
Speaker 5: don't ask, just roll the motherfucker. And you know, it's
Speaker 5: just it was a colorful environment, man, motherfucking Dean was
Speaker 5: kind of nigga. They watch San France Son reruns all
Speaker 5: day and just and just bitches sit around in their panties.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie when you describe that scene.
Speaker 5: Side it looked like some shit like that. Immediately on
Speaker 5: a way higher level. This nigga was not selling rocks.
Speaker 5: This was not a rock house. You had to pick.
Speaker 2: You had to come up in there with some money,
Speaker 2: if you know what.
Speaker 5: So Dean got all these professionals together, musicians that play
Speaker 5: all instruments, niggas that have been in you know, different
Speaker 5: bands with because Oakland got a lot of music history.
Speaker 5: So these niggas that play with Tower of Power and
Speaker 5: Larry Graham and James and all kind of motherfuckers. It
Speaker 5: was just it was professionalism. And he put me in
Speaker 5: the studio with these niggas, these like older cats. He
Speaker 5: even had some rock and roll dudes around. It was
Speaker 5: just it was a great environment to become too short.
Speaker 5: It wasn't really doesn't sound really healthy, but it was
Speaker 5: a great environment to develop the character too short, and
Speaker 5: we made We just got to studio since session started
Speaker 5: eleven pm into six am, and it was just, you know,
Speaker 5: it's a college for me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: The main thing was the nigga was really running an
Speaker 5: independent label and he was really going to the studio.
Speaker 2: And he's the one who took you to job.
Speaker 5: No, no, he was the one that he just taught
Speaker 5: me this shit. Okay, So we go to the studio,
Speaker 5: the ship mixed down, We go to this other motherfucker,
Speaker 5: We get cassettes and wax pressed up. We go this
Speaker 5: other motherfucker and he sells the ship to multiple record
Speaker 5: stores and then we drive up to individual record stores
Speaker 5: and just carry the shit in and sell it to him.
Speaker 1: Because it's true, I like y'all invented independent hustling.
Speaker 5: How I got lucky was one day I'm one hundred
Speaker 5: one hundred percent with Dean. This nigga, you know, the
Speaker 5: nigga that taught you the game. You're looking up till this,
Speaker 5: this nineteen eighty five. This nigga's driving eighty five bens.
Speaker 5: He's the nigga.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm like, what we doing next?
Speaker 5: And then one day Deans, like about two years into it,
Speaker 5: he was like, man to me and his little brother,
Speaker 5: I need your niggas. Get the fuck out of my house.
Speaker 2: Folks in this crib. Yeah, fuck this music ship. Just
Speaker 2: get then away, come right.
Speaker 5: But we like family, his mama like my mom, and
Speaker 5: his cousins like my cousin.
Speaker 2: We ain't going too far right up the street.
Speaker 5: But still now he was like, I don't want no
Speaker 5: more parts of it. So that all we had to
Speaker 5: do now is we've been running with Dean for two years,
Speaker 5: to the mother fucking studio, to the manufacturer, to the
Speaker 5: nigga that do the artwork, to the mother fucking distributor
Speaker 5: picking up the check. We right there with him. What
Speaker 5: do we do we do the ship without him? Nigga,
Speaker 5: we made so much, motherfucker, and that's how you are.
Speaker 5: That's how Joe found me.
Speaker 2: And then job came to you.
Speaker 5: We didn't give a fuck about the signing bonus and nothing.
Speaker 5: We're just like, you're gonna give us national distribution.
Speaker 2: Let's loo get out. You know it's in New York.
Speaker 2: It was the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: Cocky some of that.
Speaker 2: Why yeah, you'll be trying to get a deal, right,
Speaker 2: We'll be trying to get a deal first.
Speaker 1: But we heard something because we heard that Richmond, California.
Speaker 1: You guys in, yeah, Oakland, like you guys in like that,
Speaker 1: y'all was actually like when you said selling out the trunk,
Speaker 1: we meant that as selling it to fat beats. We
Speaker 1: wasn't selling out. I'm keeping it honest with you. We
Speaker 1: weren't selling out the trunk, y'all. Was literally we had
Speaker 1: boxes in the back of selling out the motherfucking trunk.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't no trunk. It was actually a fucking
Speaker 5: truck truck actually trunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 5: Same thing with master P. Man master P was in
Speaker 5: the Bay. He was in the Bay owned record He
Speaker 5: owned a record store in Richmond. Master P was from
Speaker 5: New Orleans, came out to the Bay and he started
Speaker 5: making the fucking West Coast down South compilations and ship
Speaker 5: and then he blew the fuck up and set up
Speaker 5: shop down in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Master P was in the bay with sunking up that
Speaker 2: independent game.
Speaker 1: So yah, y'all, y'all taught us the independence ship.
Speaker 5: Like every time, it was just a no option thing.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 5: Man if I had a fucking Tommy Boy and other
Speaker 5: god damn profile records was up the streets. I've been
Speaker 5: up there telling me to hook me the fuck up,
Speaker 5: but we didn't have it.
Speaker 1: So you guys got had to always look at New
Speaker 1: York people like niggadamn y'all lazy. How the hell you
Speaker 1: all got a deal on y'all in the in the city.
Speaker 5: I had a rap partner before, like a eighty five,
Speaker 5: my rap partner got caught up in the in the
Speaker 5: crack game.
Speaker 2: And okay, we never heard this.
Speaker 1: Let's make a noise too short for giving us the exco.
Speaker 5: My nigga, Freddy b he was, he was, he was popping.
Speaker 5: It was it was Freddy being too short. It was
Speaker 5: that nigga. That nigga was an Oakland niggas born and
Speaker 5: brand new niggas on every side of town. That was
Speaker 5: he was. He was like the plug for me, like
Speaker 5: on just walking the streets. But yeah, before that though, okay,
Speaker 5: that we was working.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you. I did song with
Speaker 1: you back in the days. But for you to sit
Speaker 1: down and sit down and chill, because you.
Speaker 2: Know what this is. It's about letting legends live again.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is the drink Try podcast is about. And for
Speaker 1: you to just sit down and you not to deny
Speaker 1: me pass you the weed. I am very fucking happy,
Speaker 1: my brother. They guy shoking up Blunt with too short
Speaker 1: interview with too short some fucking.
Speaker 2: This is a serious legend.
Speaker 5: They were like nineteen eighty three, eighty four, me and
Speaker 5: Freddie b we're talking about all right, that's what we're
Speaker 5: gonna do.
Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna get two Greyhound tickets.
Speaker 5: We wrote down the list every mother fucking twelve inch
Speaker 5: that came out, every every every single that dropped out
Speaker 5: of New York.
Speaker 2: Wow, all the different labels.
Speaker 5: We wrote down an address to the motherfucking label. We're like,
Speaker 5: we're got a fucking Greyhound. Were going on these fucking address.
Speaker 5: We gonna get us a record out like that was
Speaker 5: the that was the option.
Speaker 1: Wow, all you knew niggas need to listen to what
Speaker 1: he just said. Say, yo, oh my god, can't continue please,
Speaker 1: that's this is a crazy story. These guys are stowed
Speaker 1: on the internet and just hope Kevin Lyles call them
Speaker 1: gag continue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know it was gonna We had plans,
Speaker 5: man like, it was like options and ship and then
Speaker 5: we got with that independent game and it should just
Speaker 5: happened like Dean. Dean showed me how to do it.
Speaker 5: I always give credit to him for it and what
Speaker 5: I did when I got it, I passed it on
Speaker 5: to one of my homies. Okay, the dude who I'm
Speaker 5: who came back around. After I quit fucking with Dean,
Speaker 5: I still needed somebody to come with some money to
Speaker 5: make the dream come true. I knew how to do it,
Speaker 5: but I didn't have the money no more. So my
Speaker 5: man teed Bohannan, him and Big Ted Little till they
Speaker 5: got they got a little rep in the streets of Oakland.
Speaker 5: People know who that is. They they came through, put
Speaker 5: a nigga back in the game with the you know,
Speaker 5: the studio time and being able to press up the
Speaker 5: ship and all that shit, and we just kind of
Speaker 5: we blew up from there. Man we went to the
Speaker 5: next motherfucking level with just I'm just every every I
Speaker 5: think it was like every fifteen racks would make me
Speaker 5: like sixty or some shit like that.
Speaker 1: Every fifteen racks you spend, yeah, make you bring back sixty.
Speaker 1: Drug dealers listen to this pay attention.
Speaker 5: And it was clear legit money, and we kept flipping
Speaker 5: it so many times, like we just kept on getting
Speaker 5: this is when you're just indeed, though, We'll go by
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand consettes and selling for sixty racks And.
Speaker 3: Did that give you the upper handle when a jive
Speaker 3: king knocking.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But all we wanted from Jove was distribution. The
Speaker 5: way we did the ship, we just we just wanted
Speaker 5: to get a different deal though, compared to like someone
Speaker 5: in New York that was signing the drive right.
Speaker 4: Trup.
Speaker 2: We thought we did in the long the motherfuckers just slick.
Speaker 3: Man, because That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 5: We thought we had some ship and we had to
Speaker 5: bullshit too. But it's cool. We Wow, we made a
Speaker 5: lot of money. How long you've been in the job.
Speaker 5: How many years I was on that motherfucker from eighty
Speaker 5: eight until like god, damn, damn me in two thousand
Speaker 5: and eight. It was a long time.
Speaker 2: This makes some noise money a long time.
Speaker 1: A lot of mother count that long, a lot of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: But you might have fun on jobs.
Speaker 5: Let me say it's funny that so I wrapped a
Speaker 5: long time before I got a deal. I did a
Speaker 5: lot of shit before I got a deal. I got
Speaker 5: a deal in eighty eight, and I had been rapping
Speaker 5: like seven eight years already. So I had all these
Speaker 5: rap songs that I put out in the streets that
Speaker 5: people knew and loved.
Speaker 2: But I signed a jive. It shot me to check.
Speaker 5: The albums went nationwide, checks came back, you know, the
Speaker 5: royalties and shit they shot the next up front, I'm like, nigga, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, we was getting money grinding and hustling. I
Speaker 5: was like, Nigga, thisse Nigga's gonna keep sending me hundreds
Speaker 5: of thousands if I make songs.
Speaker 2: Nigga.
Speaker 5: I went back until I had a box. Well, I
Speaker 5: didn't have a rap book. I had a box full
Speaker 5: of raps I'd been writing down for years and just
Speaker 5: little shapes in the street. I went in that box
Speaker 5: and recycled every motherfucking line in there. I would just
Speaker 5: scratch out the line if I use it. I was
Speaker 5: using them old raps for the.
Speaker 2: Next eight years.
Speaker 5: Well shit, I wrote for eight years prior I used
Speaker 5: for eight years. In my deal, I put out an
Speaker 5: album probably every nine months.
Speaker 2: And now, what would you consider itself?
Speaker 1: More of a rapper or more of a ceo and
Speaker 1: a ulf.
Speaker 5: Well as far as rap goes, I think I'm a real,
Speaker 5: real major hip hop fan, and I always put myself
Speaker 5: outside the circle of what I'm calling hip hop niggas
Speaker 5: who was like, ooh that niggas spit them.
Speaker 2: Bars, you know, ship like you're the ooh ship.
Speaker 5: I was strictly just pounding in the trunk, talking ship.
Speaker 5: And I could have taught a lot of niggas, no
Speaker 5: matter what the integrity of you as a man, I
Speaker 5: could have taught you how to talk that ship and
Speaker 5: make that ship pound and you would have had a
Speaker 5: million fans like me like it just you talk shit.
Speaker 5: I listen, I'm saying ship talking versus spitting bars and
Speaker 5: all this ship and being a rapper.
Speaker 2: But see, oh, man, I.
Speaker 5: Look at it like we hustlers, man, because we we
Speaker 5: we started a company and we don't say you my boss.
Speaker 5: And that's like, nigga, we hustling to get this money
Speaker 5: doing something. We didn't drop niggas off on the way
Speaker 5: because we hustling and getting money. It's a lot of
Speaker 5: money coming in, and niggas like call me when y'all
Speaker 5: going to lunch, you know, Like, nigga know, we up
Speaker 5: at seven in the morning pressing the shipping and picking
Speaker 5: up ship and moving it around niggas, you know, and
Speaker 5: we and we partied all last night, but were up
Speaker 5: in the morning grinding getting this ship to where we
Speaker 5: can get these checks back.
Speaker 2: I always thought about bank deposits.
Speaker 5: Damn, you need to be making you need to be
Speaker 5: making more money than Yeah, you take that in the bank.
Speaker 2: I put that in the bank. So I put that
Speaker 2: ship under my master's foul.
Speaker 5: I'm like, how the fun can we make get to
Speaker 5: the bank and put money in uh huh? So we grinding, man,
Speaker 5: like we grinding niggas is don't have that same black
Speaker 5: minded philosophy. He was dropping them off on the way.
Speaker 1: Now, how did you get to minute to society? Bro?
Speaker 1: How did you because you.
Speaker 5: Just stole you had really okay, the Huge Brothers, this
Speaker 5: is what I think happened. The Huge Brothers are really
Speaker 5: real big Bay area hip hop fans. Oh wow, and
Speaker 5: they're from Pomona somewhere in l Ay. They love Bay
Speaker 5: Raptor say, this is what they told me. And Tupac
Speaker 5: had just fucked off his partner the movie by beating
Speaker 5: one of the brothers up about that.
Speaker 1: That makes.
Speaker 5: So so Park was off the movie. And if you notice,
Speaker 5: it's not a lot of star power you got but
Speaker 5: didn't have your role.
Speaker 4: No, no.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He had supposed to be.
Speaker 5: That was so they needed a little star power and
Speaker 5: they just they strictly just brought me in so that
Speaker 5: they could have like somebody name brand and that motherfucking
Speaker 5: and they just happened to be major too short fans.
Speaker 5: You noticed they came and got me for the next
Speaker 5: little documentary movie. What was it called American Pimp? Oh yes,
Speaker 5: they let me set.
Speaker 1: You you're supposed to be in there ahead.
Speaker 2: So it was it was just a matter of that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I came in and worked for a few days and
Speaker 2: kicked it.
Speaker 1: Minister Society a cold ass movie, and you had the
Speaker 1: coldest role in there.
Speaker 5: They letting nigga you know I'm not was the cold world.
Speaker 5: They pulled the strap on dog.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm the movie. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Let's make some noise you put.
Speaker 2: That's a fact, yo, yo.
Speaker 1: That that's I mean for us, especially us from New York.
Speaker 1: You know, when we seen you, when we see n
Speaker 1: w A, when we see minister society boys in the hood,
Speaker 1: that's when we actually realized y'all culture because.
Speaker 2: We knew that hip hop.
Speaker 1: I think comedy had made a record our lover her
Speaker 1: and but when they went over it, yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to love her, but when it went over there, y'all
Speaker 1: was so different. And for me, everything was about buildings.
Speaker 1: Everything was about like when I see you in the face, yeah,
Speaker 1: and y'all chopped it up and this was the craziest
Speaker 1: thing to see you guys in your element, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, But but the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: you was from South Central and then you went.
Speaker 5: Up North North North Cam you called it up.
Speaker 1: North Yeah, yeah, see see North. Two different worlds, different
Speaker 1: gang the Mexican gangs.
Speaker 5: They divide them, the slang words, the dress code, wow yeah.
Speaker 2: And you could adapt to both worlds. Still, I mean
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 1: To this day, you can still look that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lie I had a promoter hit me one time and
Speaker 1: it was a it was a lady, it's like, you
Speaker 1: want too short. It's the easiest people to handle. And
Speaker 1: I was like, why is that? It was like, you
Speaker 1: don't askual for hearing make up.
Speaker 2: They just want to land and we missed the Davis.
Speaker 2: What's not five too short?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, what's the pick up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can take that.
Speaker 5: You where dim Mike at you need one?
Speaker 1: So that but after minutes, how did your life change?
Speaker 1: Because that had to be the biggest music movie at
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 2: Man, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5: Man, what I had going on at that moment was
Speaker 5: bigger than that movie. My ship was platinum, platinum, platinum.
Speaker 5: That that movie was like some side ship.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't that was I was.
Speaker 5: I was already popping. So if the movie came out,
Speaker 5: hit hard, but it was. It was one of the
Speaker 5: ones that kind of like Purple Range kind of movie
Speaker 5: where it kind of lasted and last year don't go
Speaker 5: Away and you watch it right now on TV or
Speaker 5: you know, unedited, it's still it's the ship.
Speaker 3: The movie.
Speaker 5: The Boy's made a good movie. But I'm you know, man,
Speaker 5: that whole New York West Coast thing I used to
Speaker 5: I used to go to New York. What you're telling
Speaker 5: me now? Like I used to go to New York
Speaker 5: and I know for a fact it wasn't really about
Speaker 5: the music because motherfucker's like, man, I really didn't even
Speaker 5: hear too much shit you did. But they'd be like, man,
Speaker 5: respect some respect, kid like it would be.
Speaker 1: It was, you know the fact that it was a
Speaker 1: nationalized It's like if you the man, you're the man
Speaker 1: of your hood.
Speaker 5: So I asked my New York because I'm like, what
Speaker 5: does that mean that they keep saying respect. They was like,
Speaker 5: they're showing you love. Like it's just saying, you know, ship,
Speaker 5: that's that's a big deal for New Yorker. It says
Speaker 5: to you respect. So I was like, okay, cool, but
Speaker 5: it wasn't about the music, you know, And you know
Speaker 5: I kind of I kind of you know, I started
Speaker 5: hanging out in New York a little bit.
Speaker 1: Man, After a while, they love you in New York.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that, but you know,
Speaker 1: the whistle whistle comes, I.
Speaker 5: Start getting them studios though in New York moving around ship,
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't been on I've been on three
Speaker 5: jay Z albums, two big albums.
Speaker 1: Going was, I was up, it was going there.
Speaker 2: How did that first feel?
Speaker 1: Like? You know, Jay wanted to mess with you. You're
Speaker 1: all the way on the other side of the coast
Speaker 1: and he wanted I got the I.
Speaker 5: Got the B I G blessing b I G. Just
Speaker 5: he was you know, if you worked your bigger before
Speaker 5: j or do you work with big first and the
Speaker 5: big first? He told me this ship man, He told
Speaker 5: me this ship the first time I met him. He can't.
Speaker 5: He called me over to a limo. We was at
Speaker 5: the outcast picnicking.
Speaker 1: And Limos was popping backigg.
Speaker 2: Nigga, can't limo right now?
Speaker 1: If you fucked up, nigga, you put up in a limo, nigga,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody niggas like, who who's fuck getting bob blowing.
Speaker 5: Up right now?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, But then I understand Limos.
Speaker 5: That the nigga caught me over to the limo and
Speaker 5: you know, roll the window down. I walked, I leaning
Speaker 5: over and it's a friendly event outdoor, you know, just
Speaker 5: manching and ship on.
Speaker 2: The on the front line, the backround, all around.
Speaker 5: The house and ship and he called me over and
Speaker 5: he just said, yo, yo, you got love in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: That's all he said about Big. I was like, what's up?
Speaker 5: And then a couple of years later, niggas a super
Speaker 5: megan stuff.
Speaker 1: But but hold on because I want you to continue story.
Speaker 1: But did you know how much New York loved you?
Speaker 1: Because New York loved you.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm getting at. It was a it was
Speaker 5: a gradual you know understanding. I didn't even I wasn't
Speaker 5: getting it for a minute.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so uh he told me that ship.
Speaker 5: And then a couple of years later, we sitting on
Speaker 5: the tour bus, he spoke some weed. He was like, yo,
Speaker 5: remember that time he came up to the limos, like
Speaker 5: you got love in Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: He said that was me.
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, you know, like you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, so he wasn't Biggie when he told you that.
Speaker 2: He probably was already had his deal and ship.
Speaker 5: He was. He was at the party, but he.
Speaker 1: Of noise too short, breaking the story.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
Speaker 1: So you've been Big before he was Big and he
Speaker 1: told you you had love in Brooklyn and then you
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 5: Later later on we started being homies and ship, we
Speaker 5: making songs we did that the world is filled.
Speaker 2: With So now I too short.
Speaker 1: You keep making me pop my collar the whole episode
Speaker 1: of making your shirt. I'm just I've been like that
Speaker 1: and now I'm a Hyphian because you know, I go
Speaker 1: out there recently.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Big just we just became friends, man,
Speaker 5: and you know he was He told me about how
Speaker 5: how New Yorkers, for the most part, wasn't really feeling
Speaker 5: like listening to any other hip hop outside New York.
Speaker 5: And he's like, man, I've been listening to everything though
Speaker 5: he was naming Ship like he listened all down South Ship.
Speaker 2: He was like, I like him. I like Ship. So
Speaker 2: so he was.
Speaker 5: One of them cats who was open without any kind
Speaker 5: of bias, and he he wanted to work, like let's
Speaker 5: do a song. And then the way I did the
Speaker 5: song with him and he said, I for need to
Speaker 5: come get me, Like you know, like puff is, you
Speaker 5: can't say no kind of nigga. So Puffers like, man,
Speaker 5: you know, Big want you on the song.
Speaker 2: I've never been able to say no. St to this day.
Speaker 2: Niggas like people think he's soft nigga niggas a bully man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a bully. He's a bully for this.
Speaker 1: This is a funny story that Big came to the
Speaker 1: Oakland and I think somebody took his chain.
Speaker 2: I ain't heard that one. You ain't heard that one.
Speaker 2: You didn't hear that one. I heard forty helped that out. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know what. I moved to Atlanta?
Speaker 1: Okay, talk about that Atlanta movement was like, take you
Speaker 1: responsible from Atlanta being a pimping country Atlanta?
Speaker 2: What wait?
Speaker 3: What Eric Sermon moved to Atlanta and.
Speaker 2: They you moved to Atlanta early? What year did you move?
Speaker 5: Ninety three?
Speaker 1: Ninety three? Is is that why they got strip clubs
Speaker 1: in Atlanta?
Speaker 2: Moved there.
Speaker 5: I didn't move that Atlanta for the music industry. I
Speaker 5: moved to that motherfucker for the for the property, the culture,
Speaker 5: and that I was. I was down there. It was
Speaker 5: it was like easy math was real estate was like
Speaker 5: one fourth a way. California is ship fucking up table
Speaker 5: dancers at the strip club was five dollars?
Speaker 2: How long were saying in California at that time.
Speaker 5: The racial of women and men was like twenty to one.
Speaker 5: It was it was going down and it was just
Speaker 5: it was like.
Speaker 1: You was the first person to crack this outing Lloyds
Speaker 1: for him to crack the out, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know who beat me? There was the niggas
Speaker 2: that beat me. Eric Simon showed up like a little.
Speaker 5: Bit before me.
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown was Bobby Brown was acting ass around Brown.
Speaker 2: He was acting.
Speaker 1: Brown was sucking everything he was in that motherfucker fucking everything.
Speaker 2: It was his variagety. It was his variety.
Speaker 1: Man, he was fucking everything. I ain't going out everywhere
Speaker 1: like I was a little nigga. See everybody brow whoever
Speaker 1: I was, We're like, you're gonna suck him to day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, boy, I'm sorry, I got Yeah.
Speaker 5: So you know, Dallas Auston was starting his ship.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 5: He was involved with the HOTELC come up and l A.
Speaker 1: Reed was already and then he had the glove war.
Speaker 1: When you met him, exhaust not he were in gloves
Speaker 1: or spikes and ship. He's a little different.
Speaker 2: He was rock and roll Dallas. He was a rock star.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He's a rock star.
Speaker 5: He's always.
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to establish.
Speaker 2: You know, he's old. He helped me out.
Speaker 4: L A.
Speaker 5: Red was who he is, he was, he was all
Speaker 5: of that that the face was there. He had Tony
Speaker 5: Bracks and ship already been plattinum. He had like artist
Speaker 5: Tony Terry, he was the face was established, and then
Speaker 5: there was no outcasts. There wasn't no gooddy mobs, wasn't
Speaker 5: you know. Chris Cross probably had like you know, single
Speaker 5: or some ship, the new ship. They were still jumping
Speaker 5: around ship. So I got there right when it started.
Speaker 3: Gucci Crew.
Speaker 5: I think I got it, you know, tag teams bawling,
Speaker 5: and we took we took the Face the Face Records.
Speaker 5: Yeah you heard that just now.
Speaker 2: He was at the Face Records. They never offered be shipp.
Speaker 1: Let's just make some noise for too short, for raping
Speaker 1: the industry on.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was just there for young Atlanta.
Speaker 5: You know, the architecture of what you're coming from.
Speaker 1: You come from, you're born, You're born in South Central,
Speaker 1: move to Oakland and now you.
Speaker 5: And then the eyeball Atlanta. I'm at the freak nig
Speaker 5: like what I'm come back?
Speaker 1: And you did you realize that this was born to
Speaker 1: be the music scene or you was just out there?
Speaker 5: I went to the I had already been touring out
Speaker 5: there doing doing concerts and ship and then we're going
Speaker 5: to Magic City, and yeah, fuck around, I knew the lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Now Magic City is where Players Club is based on.
Speaker 2: Could that it could be?
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 2: What did you feel like when you've seen the Players Club?
Speaker 2: Was that true to you?
Speaker 5: Or was that to the lifestyle I was living? Cube
Speaker 5: is my nigga, to the lifestyle was living. That's very
Speaker 5: watered down strip club experience in that movie. I've never
Speaker 5: really seen a strip club to give you a movie
Speaker 5: to give you that real fucking strip club feeling that real.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna make the movie. Opportunity drink chaps, We're
Speaker 2: gonna make the movie together.
Speaker 1: I never really after that the real strip club experience.
Speaker 1: And now are you saying in the Bay Area now,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it anywhere?
Speaker 5: It's so whack on the West Coast. I don't I
Speaker 5: don't even strip clubs on the West Coast.
Speaker 3: I forget Miami and we got it here, man, we
Speaker 3: got you.
Speaker 2: No, I ain't gonna lie Miami. You ain't doing it.
Speaker 5: If you ain't doing it like Miami or Atlantai cities
Speaker 5: like Dallas, if the bitch don't get butt, nigga, and
Speaker 5: you can have a drink in the same building.
Speaker 2: It's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Let's make a noise for too short ring about the
Speaker 1: real strip club strip clock right there.
Speaker 2: I tell my niggas in New York all the time.
Speaker 1: In New York on the time we go to Susan
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like, it's a strip club in
Speaker 1: l a with a bitch.
Speaker 5: Bitch wear three pairs of panties. She barely gets topless
Speaker 5: for a minute. She keeps poking the titty out and
Speaker 5: then every time the bitch pull her panties back, it's
Speaker 5: another pair of panties under it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was in the hotel, that would
Speaker 1: work for me. Put it in the strip club with nice.
Speaker 5: I'm in Atlanta, man, I'm getting there, you know, before
Speaker 5: I moved there, and you like, you get a dance,
Speaker 5: right she? You say, can I get a dance? And
Speaker 5: you say, let me see that pussy? M So she
Speaker 5: before you even get to dance, You's like, let me
Speaker 5: just see what I'm getting into. And then you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I want to dance based on if you like what
Speaker 5: you see. You ain't doing that at no. You know
Speaker 5: them other joints, you know, sometimes they call them strip clubs.
Speaker 5: The shouldn't call them naked clubs because girls on your strip,
Speaker 5: they don't even wearing nothing.
Speaker 2: They don't even call it. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: But some clubs they walk around but as nakeas you
Speaker 5: don't even have a top of bottom. She's just walking
Speaker 5: around already naked.
Speaker 1: I thought I was a pimp for a week. It
Speaker 1: didn't work out for me. I was, it wouldn't built
Speaker 1: for me. I just couldn't do it. I just I
Speaker 1: got compassion. I don't know, you should be. You can't
Speaker 1: have nohing, you can't have no like.
Speaker 5: You know, I really feel like I could be a
Speaker 5: really good pimp, but I got this other good ass
Speaker 5: job called rapping.
Speaker 2: I can't got that.
Speaker 5: Every time you dabble in some pimping and this is
Speaker 5: getting a few g's, she getting some g's bringing I'm like,
Speaker 5: you just did all that stressing me the funk out right,
Speaker 5: And that wasn't number two shows to me because.
Speaker 1: They can't they can't touch the money they're supposed to
Speaker 1: bring the money back.
Speaker 2: That's a real pim.
Speaker 5: So you're just having a good month, you get uh
Speaker 5: walking around kind you get like fifteen twenty racks out
Speaker 5: the bitch of the month. That's a few shows. That's
Speaker 5: a couple of shows. That's never she's gonna stress you
Speaker 5: the funk out.
Speaker 2: For thirty days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 5: Keep that ship. You w do a show they sucked after?
Speaker 1: So how does it feel, Chris? Because you you did
Speaker 1: a song with jay Z and Biggie Small.
Speaker 2: I need to multiple songs and bok yeah and and snoop.
Speaker 5: How that's That's something I'm really proud of in a career,
Speaker 5: super super super olg in a career. I am the
Speaker 5: thought that all those guys are gonna be, you know, legends.
Speaker 3: No they they are on the other.
Speaker 5: But when we're all gone, you know, I just want
Speaker 5: to be in that.
Speaker 3: To repertoire and boom doogs too. Right?
Speaker 5: Did we do a song? I'm not just make songs.
Speaker 5: I don't even know. Maybe I ain't gonna them the hommies.
Speaker 1: Up, My nigga, just told you I did the song
Speaker 1: on your album.
Speaker 2: You ain't even remember. You were sitting there, like word
Speaker 2: you did? You did so much song. You're a legend.
Speaker 2: You're legend.
Speaker 5: We got a bang that song on What the funk
Speaker 5: was the hook? I pulls up my phone right now.
Speaker 1: We believe you checking out having job job, But sure, man,
Speaker 1: how about you, like all these years, how do you
Speaker 1: maintain your love for hip hop? How does that happen?
Speaker 2: Because I like that new ship. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I like you like the new. I like what it happens.
Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about the new right now. I'm
Speaker 5: talking about every time the new, every time it changes,
Speaker 5: because you know that when you're the nigga, it's like sports.
Speaker 2: It's like the fucking hood.
Speaker 5: When you're the nigga and that next nigga come up
Speaker 5: like the super stud and start getting a little more
Speaker 5: attention to you, you start feeling the kind of way
Speaker 5: and you still feel the same for that nigga though
Speaker 5: I'm that nigga.
Speaker 2: Who's getting money.
Speaker 5: Who if I see a young nigga getting it, I'm like,
Speaker 5: nig get it, nigga, Like I'm that's real.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You understand what you just said. Let's make some noise
Speaker 2: for that everybody camera.
Speaker 5: That's real because I'm promoting that ship. Let's all get it.
Speaker 5: Let's get it, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 5: when you get it, you're wrong if you don't pass
Speaker 5: it on it's all work. You're wrong if you don't
Speaker 5: share this some kind of way. Don't give it away,
Speaker 5: but teach the next nigga how to get it too, because.
Speaker 1: You always had fun with the game. Like every time
Speaker 1: I seen you, I don't care where I see you at.
Speaker 2: You're walking through you looking good.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Like there's other people who
Speaker 5: don't do that. You know what happens. Those blessings they
Speaker 5: come around, man, It's come back around. There's been a
Speaker 5: time in my life where ship was fucked up, and
Speaker 5: that's a fuck that ship. And then somebody who I
Speaker 5: showed that love to is like, what's wrong man? You know,
Speaker 5: and instantly and then not.
Speaker 1: For the love and I buy my man, mister fab
Speaker 1: you mister fab.
Speaker 2: That's my dude, that's like my son.
Speaker 1: My god, this makes a noise for mister Faby too
Speaker 1: short signs.
Speaker 5: Damn god, damn it.
Speaker 3: We just saw him in south By, Southwest with cows.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, thirty years of rapping cows cows.
Speaker 5: That's my nigga.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's my nigga. That's my brother. Thirty years
Speaker 2: of rapping.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: I'm like we were getting money other ways we can
Speaker 5: do this ship with it without the microphone.
Speaker 1: We can get down right, but you still enjoy what
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 5: Fab came to me and uh and was like, man's
Speaker 5: been wrapping thirty years. You got to make an album.
Speaker 5: So I'm doing an album called the thirtieth Anniversary. And
Speaker 5: my man came in the kind of a and R
Speaker 5: on my album for me, just you know, just kind
Speaker 5: of just kind of like.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: Whole bunch of ship were doing the hoods and ship
Speaker 5: and just just just like put a nigg in shape,
Speaker 5: like you know, you get a nigg in shape right right,
Speaker 5: you got a nigga shape.
Speaker 2: For a gets album.
Speaker 5: So I got I'm an old ass nigga. I just
Speaker 5: turned fifty like last Thursday.
Speaker 2: Nah, man, this makes a noise for his turn to fifty.
Speaker 2: Goddamn yeah, nigga.
Speaker 5: Nigga hit motherfucker.
Speaker 1: We had carrrass One here and he had a air
Speaker 1: our pe card. It's correct, yeah, our Peak card.
Speaker 2: You know my age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he definitely said he's fifty. Okay, he
Speaker 1: definitely said he's fifty. Ain't nothing wrong. But you know
Speaker 1: what's crazy? Short, You you look young. You're doing young
Speaker 1: ship and you still have the love for it, Like
Speaker 1: I could look at you when I ask you these questions.
Speaker 1: You really still love hip hop?
Speaker 2: No, it's the hustle.
Speaker 5: I'm about to get on the mic and wrap in
Speaker 5: front of the crowd tonight and a ship tonight.
Speaker 2: I grabbed the mic and lived last night, you know,
Speaker 2: damn it and live. We should have went to live.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. I was so tired last we
Speaker 2: had a long. We had a long.
Speaker 5: I wish I knew you was there. So you never
Speaker 5: lost your love for hip hop? Now once now for rap?
Speaker 5: Now no now because he could be lean with it,
Speaker 5: rock with it. Niggas is that they okay? Like you
Speaker 5: gotta you got a bunch of motherfuckers that like this
Speaker 5: new we ship. That's what you're saying. That's what you're saying. Shi,
Speaker 5: It is weird. These motherfuckers like it. I try to
Speaker 5: get around and figure out what is it that they like.
Speaker 5: It must be the infectious beat, it must be the catchy,
Speaker 5: it must be the way to make it dance. It's
Speaker 5: something good about it. So I'm like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: I get it. I try to get it, Like, why
Speaker 5: is your niggas dressing all weird. Oh, I get it
Speaker 5: if it makes sense if you.
Speaker 3: If they're dressing all weird, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't get that part.
Speaker 5: But they don't want to be like us, don't want.
Speaker 1: Kids and their defence when you look at them, like
Speaker 1: the first printures of hip hop, the first person he's dressing.
Speaker 5: Yes, these little niggas that we call them weird right
Speaker 5: now the niggas is trying to look like the eighties.
Speaker 2: With the Golden Ship.
Speaker 1: So so with that being said, and you being a pimp,
Speaker 1: you being a real nigga. I've never heard too short
Speaker 1: in a controversy other than when you ran from police.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. What happen when you ran for police?
Speaker 1: Just talk about that.
Speaker 5: I was in l I had an apartment. I had
Speaker 5: an apartment right across the street from right here from
Speaker 5: where I was running from apart. I was about to
Speaker 5: dip up in the spot. And then it's nothing that
Speaker 5: ain't being done before.
Speaker 2: You gotta be careful. I'm just saying that it was crazy.
Speaker 5: We walked, bro, we walked the line. I talked to
Speaker 5: that brother. I was like, man, I did all the tests,
Speaker 5: all this ship. I wasn't even drunk. I was like
Speaker 5: it had been. It was three thirty. The drinking had
Speaker 5: stopped a while ago. I was gonna walk these bitches
Speaker 5: to the.
Speaker 1: Car, okay, because the bus is let's make some noise,
Speaker 1: man keeping it.
Speaker 5: And I still don't call these bitches bitches because after
Speaker 5: I got in all the trouble, they never called back
Speaker 5: once to say to you, okay, you listen. It was
Speaker 5: just some bitches I met that night. Walk these bitches
Speaker 5: to the car. I said, you know, you know what,
Speaker 5: I live right over there. It's like about a block
Speaker 5: and a half. Said, I'm gonna drive it all over
Speaker 5: this thirty one and hang out ho spot. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: driving all over there. Drove him over there and hit
Speaker 5: a little you turn to come back. Nigga, turn the
Speaker 5: light on me. He made me do all this ship
Speaker 5: And you know the nigga who saw the video, the
Speaker 5: TMZ was like one of the security dudes from the club.
Speaker 5: I was like, it was all right there in the
Speaker 5: neighborhood that was like a supper club I went to
Speaker 5: that night Tuesday night. I'm like, even even that nigga,
Speaker 5: I heard the nigga sold the video for like five
Speaker 5: hundred days, like we would have gave me five thousand.
Speaker 5: That bullshit nigga out there. But it was some good press, though,
Speaker 5: I like, I do like the good press that you
Speaker 5: get when you get to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's that type.
Speaker 1: Is that the first time you realize the power Internet,
Speaker 1: or you've been new with the power.
Speaker 5: That was the first time I realized I was in
Speaker 5: my forties, because you can get the right make showed
Speaker 5: the building. I said, dude, I live right there. I said,
Speaker 5: you got. I said, I leave this motherfucker here or whatever. Man,
Speaker 5: just this, I live right there. You know. He's like,
Speaker 5: you gotta blow for me. I'm like, man, I told
Speaker 5: the nigga, I said, Man, I might not. I was
Speaker 5: drinking earlier.
Speaker 2: I just was. I told the whole story. I'm like,
Speaker 2: fucking right there.
Speaker 5: A lot of times a copy be like, all right, man,
Speaker 5: just you know, leave it here, you know, go home,
Speaker 5: like you gotta blow. I was like, is that my
Speaker 5: only option? That was the last thing I asked you.
Speaker 1: You deny it?
Speaker 5: I mean, I honestly, that's one of the ones I
Speaker 5: regret because I have some converse low cut the Chuck tailors. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the Chuck Taylors. Yeah, you can't run those, and I
Speaker 5: was I was just mad because I was like, those.
Speaker 2: Are like the Kanye West news nigas.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're running those. It's over for you.
Speaker 5: Think I had like another bra still at the spot,
Speaker 5: I'm like, I gotta get back. It ain't over.
Speaker 2: It like shit going up. So this is real deal.
Speaker 1: You really have broads, Like wherever every city you go,
Speaker 1: you have broads or you stop that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you like this.
Speaker 5: At this at this stage in the game, I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to be young short dog anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. I used to go when.
Speaker 5: I go out, I'm like call fee homies, Like you know,
Speaker 5: I hang out a lot.
Speaker 2: Of chicks at like eight teen, we go out.
Speaker 5: That was my normal. I might do some like that tonight,
Speaker 5: but really, uh tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm in Miami. You want me to
Speaker 2: hang with you tonight? I want to just see how.
Speaker 1: It goes down.
Speaker 5: I'm in Miami, so I'm really not the one.
Speaker 2: You've been doing this in Miami for the long time.
Speaker 5: But I'm not coordinating the chicks. It's like Miami is
Speaker 5: like you know the girls, they do it they just.
Speaker 1: Like you've got the girls who coordinate the girls.
Speaker 2: They just they make them hot. Five five for that.
Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying is back in the day,
Speaker 5: I would literally get my phone and call like these two,
Speaker 5: those two those to meet me. I did that ship
Speaker 5: up until about three or four years ago. I kind
Speaker 5: of just like chilled it out a little bit. Now
Speaker 5: now I might go out with like two or three
Speaker 5: and just you know. Another secret to what I do
Speaker 5: is a lot of guys. They try to fuck all
Speaker 5: the women. I just try to hang out with them. Man,
Speaker 5: just hang out, be cool and shit happens. Be cool.
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's the secret weapon for you.
Speaker 3: Chartie Skins didn't.
Speaker 2: Secret who else.
Speaker 1: You gotta tell?
Speaker 2: Sonny a d B.
Speaker 1: He knows about the make some noise for a horny mo.
Speaker 1: If you we got honing.
Speaker 2: Montana, let me call them my group, like crew.
Speaker 1: If you're a horny Montana like if if if you
Speaker 1: want to suck everything, you're like me personally. I've seen
Speaker 1: a couple of my horny dudes we and bur let
Speaker 1: me pronounce this way Berlin, Germany. I've seen my my
Speaker 1: homie finger pop a bitch in the butt in the club.
Speaker 2: Not in the club, the finger popping in the butt.
Speaker 1: I say, slime, this is not this is I'm uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with this situation. I actually can't. I can't partake. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is how we're doing it, like in the butt
Speaker 1: in the club. I gotta skill out.
Speaker 2: I gotta leave, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of horny people. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: how pimps.
Speaker 2: I got a hommy. I got a homy. He uh.
Speaker 5: He was kind of like kind of timid kind of guy. Man.
Speaker 5: It wasn't really like aggressive with the ladies. But then
Speaker 5: you know, he kind of he had He's like a
Speaker 5: rock star kind of nigga that kind of wore.
Speaker 2: This like ponytail ship like standing nigga.
Speaker 5: And he wanted to hang out with us one night,
Speaker 5: and I was like, dude, you can't. Where are we going?
Speaker 5: You can't get down like that. So we literally set
Speaker 5: the niggas somewhere. He was going from Oakland, but he
Speaker 5: was passing through. We sent the nigga down to where
Speaker 5: the pimps get their hair downe the ship and got
Speaker 5: him a pimp hair due out of his you know,
Speaker 5: we turned him into like a looking them out, told
Speaker 5: the nigga on a certain kind of clothes, and then
Speaker 5: he got to the party.
Speaker 2: He's like, still the same nigga?
Speaker 5: Like, what do I do?
Speaker 2: Still square?
Speaker 5: I said, a nigga the way you look, just walk
Speaker 5: up to every bitch and say, I'm Mike bitch, Mike.
Speaker 2: Boris we pivper you up?
Speaker 5: Guess we came back and told me at the party.
Speaker 5: Later on, he said, nigga, that ship works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. I hung out with Bishop
Speaker 1: dog Wall for like a whole weekend. He had me gas. Right.
Speaker 1: So what happened was they gave me a famous player card.
Speaker 2: You remember the famous player card.
Speaker 1: It was gold. They gave me nine one seven on there,
Speaker 1: and they asked me to come to the uh Player
Speaker 1: player ball. I got there and then I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on road for real, like, but I
Speaker 1: took two days out of my schedule. I walked in
Speaker 1: the players players ship. It was a white bitch that
Speaker 1: was I'm walking in the white bitch saying, hey, how
Speaker 1: you doing? You know me, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: she asked me to take a picture. She asked me
Speaker 1: something and I said, bit you better play up. I
Speaker 1: definitely didn't know, and she chose me. I said, bit
Speaker 1: you better choose before you know. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said that. And the and bishop darl Ma, what's
Speaker 1: my nigga? Juju juju, all of them.
Speaker 2: All of them was trying to knock me.
Speaker 1: They say, you know, and the white bitch kept staying
Speaker 1: by me, and I said.
Speaker 5: I don't know what I did.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I did. You didn't get the
Speaker 1: minimum and they get the memoir the pimp correctly, and
Speaker 1: then I wanted to pass off, but she really didn't
Speaker 1: want to be pad.
Speaker 2: You haven't seen that nigga.
Speaker 5: He got about. He always got about five or six holes.
Speaker 5: His bitches got to stare at the ground. They can't
Speaker 5: look up that he now, what about break him down.
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny though, because his bitches sit somewhere,
Speaker 5: even when they sit down the whole china at they
Speaker 5: can never look up. They have to look at the ground,
Speaker 5: and they be sitting there talking to each other. And
Speaker 5: then if you dare, you know, I'm a little crazy guy,
Speaker 5: nigg So I just try to funk with him and
Speaker 5: break a little bit and be like how y'all doing.
Speaker 5: They can't speak to no outside man nothing, They can't.
Speaker 2: Ever look at sounds crazy.
Speaker 5: That's him out. That's just like you're wearing your jewelry.
Speaker 5: He's wearing it.
Speaker 2: He's showing you his pipping.
Speaker 3: He's like.
Speaker 5: I could have told him, bitches, to look straight at heere.
Speaker 5: I could have told them, bitches just in the circle.
Speaker 2: They woke in the circle down look.
Speaker 5: That don't never look up, don't talk to anybody except
Speaker 5: me or each other.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. And that's just this how I
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't ready for pipping because my white bitch
Speaker 1: did that. My white bitch was just like, she wouldn't
Speaker 1: look at it ready for said I was pimp Juju
Speaker 1: and pimp and can and they both stepped to me
Speaker 1: and say, they said, you're playing.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're doing right now.
Speaker 1: I said, I got to whop me leave on alone,
Speaker 1: and she just kept looking at That's how I knew she.
Speaker 5: Was more pressous. Niggas who pimp and niggas who have
Speaker 5: pimp game and are of it, we do.
Speaker 1: So it's a difference pimping and having pimp gag. Because
Speaker 1: I like the way you broke that.
Speaker 5: Having pimp game means that I probably could apply it.
Speaker 5: But I'm just I'm doing other ship living is stressful.
Speaker 2: Man, be stressful. Break that down for it short.
Speaker 5: Now you tell you telling the women to do the
Speaker 5: stuff she's doing, they are fucking like repercussions to that ship,
Speaker 5: man like mentally like if its people's heads up.
Speaker 1: So you can deal with that ship because you're telling
Speaker 1: them to go on the calling and.
Speaker 5: You're saying, don't fuck with nobody with me. So when
Speaker 5: every time every emotion she goes through is coming to.
Speaker 1: You, So let me ask you something. After they do that,
Speaker 1: they give you the money, do you have to make
Speaker 1: them feel like your girlfriend?
Speaker 2: Like they got to feel love?
Speaker 5: You gotta do it. You gotta do this ship. Man,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of ship like. If you want to
Speaker 5: really actually your chick, if you want to be a
Speaker 5: boss PM, you have to be focused.
Speaker 2: That's what you do.
Speaker 1: I've never heard this term because you say boss.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that means you're in control. You on a run
Speaker 5: for a while.
Speaker 1: You got you can go to another statement. She's still you,
Speaker 1: still the boss pimp.
Speaker 2: And you know they call that long range pimping. You
Speaker 2: pull her anywhere. Hold on, let's make some hold on
Speaker 2: long range. I heard a long range five. You're homie
Speaker 2: over there. I be like long range Niga.
Speaker 5: In Hawaii. You fly back to la and you come
Speaker 5: back three months later, and she got like forty seven
Speaker 5: thousand and just be like here. She didn't protected the money,
Speaker 5: she didn't protected herself.
Speaker 1: And now now do you have to have sex with
Speaker 1: these women or.
Speaker 5: You just you could just so this this is where
Speaker 5: I get fucked up.
Speaker 1: Break it down for me, sure, because I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: call it now.
Speaker 5: I'm always I've always considered myself to be a pimp
Speaker 5: and a player.
Speaker 2: I do have the pimp game, but I.
Speaker 1: Don't what is the difference been pimping a player player?
Speaker 5: You just you got the game to just run a
Speaker 5: bunch of chicks, but you don't want any interest in
Speaker 5: their money or them selling that.
Speaker 2: You're just a player. You just play, Okay, play the game.
Speaker 1: You get money, you're getting you get you're getting slid.
Speaker 5: Actually yeah, okay, So I consider myself to be a
Speaker 5: pimp player. Man, it's just like you know, I don't
Speaker 5: really Yeah, we don't have to.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: You made me pop my collar like seventeen hundred times,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep popping.
Speaker 5: We'll put that back. You know, if you got to
Speaker 5: really get a lot of games, just play it back,
Speaker 5: listen to it.
Speaker 2: It's you know, isn't it the game?
Speaker 1: Like you really studying? It goes by married I am,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lame. I'm sorry, but but in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm gona try to be a pimp, like every time
Speaker 1: I go to sleep, like, yeah, I'm gonna try to.
Speaker 5: But we are we are all always students of life.
Speaker 5: We are we get down, always learning, We always learning.
Speaker 5: You know what I was gonna tell you by my uh, Dominicans.
Speaker 2: Puerto Rica is just the case you go Dominican.
Speaker 1: But it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's a New York story, man, Okay, in New York,
Speaker 2: let's do it. Let's do it. But I was you baby,
Speaker 2: Dominican Republic. I had a little New York too.
Speaker 5: I had a little running in with the with the
Speaker 5: the hip hop hoies. Niggas hit me, hit me up
Speaker 5: in the taxi cabs and uh and just a nigga
Speaker 5: had like we had a strap in the car and
Speaker 5: we had a like a little answer weed.
Speaker 2: We used to go up town.
Speaker 5: We used to go up to the candy shop in Harlem,
Speaker 5: hu and you know, get the.
Speaker 2: They gonna call it the candy shop. You know what
Speaker 2: you talk. We used to get to the good that
Speaker 2: good jo.
Speaker 1: In the Jaws or in the motherfucker try and go bang.
Speaker 1: Look at your hold on with Eddie, God bless the
Speaker 1: day you know he died, did Eddie looked?
Speaker 2: First off? Let me just let me just stop too
Speaker 2: short right now.
Speaker 1: He just flousht onto everybody on a real New York
Speaker 1: This is the in the real New York Times. He
Speaker 1: just mentioned Branson. What you said daytime in Branson, Eddie, Eddie,
Speaker 1: that's who run the spot.
Speaker 2: That was my nigga. Continue the story.
Speaker 5: So you know we we uh, we're riding around the
Speaker 5: ship and the niggas pull us over in these fucking
Speaker 5: taxi cabs. None of them got on uniforms. They fucking
Speaker 5: flashing badges and ship. They actually take us out, put us.
Speaker 5: It's four niggas in the truck. They put each of
Speaker 5: us in a different cab and I get in there
Speaker 5: like three niggas in each cab. They jump in my truck.
Speaker 5: Drive the motherfucker and we go to like some thirty
Speaker 5: seventh Street precinct, some ship somewhere thirty six thirty seven
Speaker 5: and and uh and the nigga ended up basically, a
Speaker 5: nigga ended up at a center street. This was a
Speaker 5: one street down there, and I passed by.
Speaker 1: H you was in the real first off, right Now,
Speaker 1: if they lock you up up there, they have apprecing
Speaker 1: they bring you to. That means that back in the days,
Speaker 1: they had to lock you up up there and bring
Speaker 1: you yeah way down.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're in there is about the day and
Speaker 5: a half of the day, and then they got bail
Speaker 5: out a little later. But I walked by this one
Speaker 5: holding tank and I've seen these jet jet black ass niggas,
Speaker 5: like black ass nappy head niggas in there, and they're
Speaker 5: all speaking Spanish, and I just was like that ships
Speaker 5: weird to me to fuk out.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you thought they was black. I didn't.
Speaker 5: On the West Coast, we got no nappy.
Speaker 1: Head don't have many much yesterday.
Speaker 5: Yesterday's black under me, we don't have nappy had niggas.
Speaker 5: I get back up, I get out of jail and
Speaker 5: go to the jive records. I was like, I've seen
Speaker 5: the weirdest ship in the jail, niggas speaking Spanish with
Speaker 5: down here dominicuss.
Speaker 2: That's fact.
Speaker 1: Too short makings.
Speaker 5: Got hold on. After that, After that, I made a point.
Speaker 5: I said, I'm gonna meet some of these Spanish niggas,
Speaker 5: like for real. I met the Dominican niggas right at
Speaker 5: the gas station and they popped at me on some
Speaker 5: uh we know you made you too short, you know,
Speaker 5: random ship that happens in New York. I don't get
Speaker 5: spotted a lot back then, back in the day in
Speaker 5: New York. And uh, they said that they got to
Speaker 5: get weed, and they sent me up to I don't know, man,
Speaker 5: I just you know you like Dyke, like one hundred
Speaker 5: and eighty fourth Washington.
Speaker 2: Was yeah, I up.
Speaker 5: And then basically if I wasn't going to Branson, I
Speaker 5: was going up there, but I spoke I just hang
Speaker 5: out New York. Last.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. This This is not a
Speaker 1: lot of listen. Listen, well he just broke down for you.
Speaker 1: There's people in New York who couldn't get weed in
Speaker 1: Branson because you have to have a certain type of
Speaker 1: plug to be accepted. You have to be accepted in Branson.
Speaker 1: One time I went Branson. Redman was back there serving
Speaker 1: the weed.
Speaker 2: That was my sponsor. That's what that gave me my plug.
Speaker 5: Red Man.
Speaker 2: Well, let's make some noise from red Man. Damn it.
Speaker 1: One time she took me there, I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'll tell you one time I
Speaker 1: went to Branson.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep it real with you, too short.
Speaker 1: It's one of my idols. It's gonna hurt me to
Speaker 1: tell a story, but I'm gonna tell a story. I
Speaker 1: went up there.
Speaker 2: It's the Porto Rican de Beat. I'm Puerto Rican.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry half I'm half Puerto Rican, but I'm just
Speaker 1: giving you. But you know, yeah, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. So but this day I'm Puerto Rican, right.
Speaker 1: So I go to Brands and I bought my ship.
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown pulled up in the six hundred binds. To me,
Speaker 1: it was like Prince when he pulled up, purple smoke
Speaker 1: pulled out. It was a six hundred bins. I was like, damn, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I know niggas got six hundred bins, but
Speaker 1: I ain't actually seen it. Bobby Brown pulls up right,
Speaker 1: bro t, Yes, what's up, nigga? So he pulls up
Speaker 1: Boom Bobby Brown. So he goes in said, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there like, oh ship, Bobby motherfucking Brown. He looked at
Speaker 1: me though. He looked at me like this, like like
Speaker 1: I'm right here. He looked at me like this, and
Speaker 1: then he going Branson right, I'm like, damn, niggas is
Speaker 1: like you're supposed.
Speaker 2: To say, ha, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: The nigga eyes is right next to my chat right.
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown comes out and then he goes, yo, it's
Speaker 1: the porte Dave read right.
Speaker 2: I think me pon Joe.
Speaker 1: We all on the float this day, but I had
Speaker 1: took a break afterwards. I finished what we had to do,
Speaker 1: and I went up to you, and then Bobby Brown
Speaker 1: said to me, this is mad racist, by the way.
Speaker 2: He said for me. He said to me, ain't you
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican? I said yeah.
Speaker 1: He said, you ain't got no cold.
Speaker 2: Cor I was like, you gotta.
Speaker 1: You gotta realize in New York City, if you're from
Speaker 1: New York City, it's a couple. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: us here. When the porter we they parade shut down
Speaker 1: like uptown to the right and shut down too, because
Speaker 1: they all over there and so when they went there,
Speaker 1: I guess Bobby went there. He couldn't he couldn't get
Speaker 1: nothing from the coke spot. So he said, is your
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican?
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah, He's like, take me.
Speaker 1: Over there, and I was like, damn, why why do
Speaker 1: you think I could get you the coke because of
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican.
Speaker 2: Let's make a noise, body.
Speaker 1: Brown for.
Speaker 2: The positive side of that store.
Speaker 1: The positive.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's who was he with?
Speaker 2: He was with his security.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I know I know the nigga sometimes and
Speaker 5: be like without security with that same bands riding up
Speaker 5: in any motherfucking hood an that nigga, Bobby takes a
Speaker 5: certain cloth to be that kind of nigga, to be
Speaker 5: that kind of nigga, Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You said, come on with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm luckily for God to bad because
Speaker 1: this is my hero. Like you know, I'm younger because
Speaker 1: I'm younger at this especially twice already, Bobby Brown. Listen,
Speaker 1: we by ground where we had him. Wherever you at,
Speaker 1: we need you two shortest in the head. Man.
Speaker 5: I'm telling Bobby's a classic man. Bobby, He's a classic.
Speaker 2: He's always been my nigga.
Speaker 1: I remember when Jou was actually from the video h
Speaker 1: when John and Boby Brown and I actually I was
Speaker 1: in l A.
Speaker 5: He was at that video.
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't at the video.
Speaker 5: He was held the video the ecstasy video that's called
Speaker 5: the video.
Speaker 2: Ecstasy was ruling ship at one points. Let's make a
Speaker 2: noise that.
Speaker 5: Everybody, white girl.
Speaker 2: Listen, shut man.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you for coming out being a great sport.
Speaker 5: Are you going to read the champagne with us? And
Speaker 5: I keep it hard?
Speaker 2: Pauls? What are you doing? What is that my time
Speaker 2: for now?
Speaker 5: My time?
Speaker 2: We switched it a little. It's just a little regulars.
Speaker 2: We switched.
Speaker 1: I want to have one with Short excuse me, shout outside.
Speaker 1: You know you got you got the other.
Speaker 2: We got recognized my brother.
Speaker 3: We gotta shot the slow pope man for making this happen.
Speaker 1: Can we get two and bineapples? Cause I gotta have
Speaker 1: a drink with ah. But you got close to pineapple
Speaker 1: like apple? All right?
Speaker 2: It works for me, so too, Short Man.
Speaker 1: You've been coming to Miami for a long time with
Speaker 1: Miami to Luke stories No two life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I look man, I've been on I've been on
Speaker 5: the goddamn Luke's peep show twice. I mean back in.
Speaker 3: How can I be downadays?
Speaker 1: But how did you feel when Luke they tried to
Speaker 1: parent your advisor to him because you had to be
Speaker 1: right behind him.
Speaker 2: If they would have did that to you know him,
Speaker 2: that to you.
Speaker 5: You know, just like you said, you see me walking
Speaker 5: through smooth. I walked through that ship, real smooth. They
Speaker 5: never came at my door. They suck with the n
Speaker 5: w A. They fuck the ghetto boys. They they never
Speaker 5: they never hollered at me.
Speaker 2: I don't make too short for escaping. I couldn't remember.
Speaker 1: They never like, what's what's the chick name that that
Speaker 1: tupac tip.
Speaker 2: She was?
Speaker 1: She was?
Speaker 2: She was trying to shut down and never had my
Speaker 2: name on the list.
Speaker 5: They were talking about the ship I was doing, which
Speaker 5: if they would have passed some laws they probably would
Speaker 5: affected me.
Speaker 2: But I know, think about.
Speaker 5: This, What do you think about the fact that that
Speaker 5: ship could.
Speaker 2: Have actually happened.
Speaker 5: What if it had been like we live in the
Speaker 5: country where they said you can't cuss on your rep
Speaker 5: socks crazy.
Speaker 1: I would have existed.
Speaker 2: We would have never existed.
Speaker 5: I would have never I think about it. It would
Speaker 5: have been like bootleg and liquor. We would have been
Speaker 5: out there in the streets slanging dirty raps.
Speaker 3: It would have been more expensive, maybe make more money.
Speaker 5: It had been money.
Speaker 2: Prohibition straight up.
Speaker 1: And you still, I just wanted to ask you this
Speaker 1: question before we wrap it up. Still actually loved this life?
Speaker 1: I swear to God.
Speaker 3: You see his face?
Speaker 1: Man, You still like did you?
Speaker 2: You never fell in love with this life out of love?
Speaker 5: Excuse me, I'm gonna tell you like this, man, I
Speaker 5: ain't really like to you.
Speaker 2: With the jail and all that. Like you, you just
Speaker 2: came home like that was only jail five weeks. Nigga,
Speaker 2: Just make no noise.
Speaker 1: You used to go to jail five weeks, but you're
Speaker 1: still going to.
Speaker 5: You Okay, you know what. I didn't go to jails,
Speaker 5: young nigga. I was a nigga, was jet.
Speaker 1: You went to jails, grown ass man, and how I
Speaker 1: was your bunkies.
Speaker 2: They had to be like too short, watch out? Too short?
Speaker 4: Is yead?
Speaker 5: You gotta go look my nigga up. The nigga that
Speaker 5: was next to me, Uh, he's uh. He's got a
Speaker 5: high profile case in l A. They call him the
Speaker 5: grim Sleeper that doesn't even sound right, sounds dangerous. Just
Speaker 5: break down the great sleep extremely polite brother intelligence talk
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 2: Those are the dangerous guys. Whatever, the guys respectful.
Speaker 5: Nigga showing how to cook with just some hot water
Speaker 5: and ship.
Speaker 2: You know you know what I mean, we would We wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I was in the fire with the celebrity ship though,
Speaker 5: where you can't Nick can't actually walking up.
Speaker 2: On you and ship. I was just chilling. But talk
Speaker 2: about that guy. Don't get me up. I just gave
Speaker 2: you and and and he he he was.
Speaker 1: It was only he was only because he was because
Speaker 1: he was high profile.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what the high profile person.
Speaker 5: That's what I was saying. I was in the same spot.
Speaker 5: Sugar Knight was that, but previously with me to get
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 1: There was a room with Sugar Knight trying to sign
Speaker 1: you at one point to sign everybody.
Speaker 2: Tell me about that shot before you leave from the
Speaker 2: bag too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they put me in jail. Chris Brown was a
Speaker 5: ship that was in that jail. It was just Joe
Speaker 5: get TV right in front of you sell just you know, niggas,
Speaker 5: nobody fuck with you. But Sugar Knight came to me
Speaker 5: like he came to everybody else, Well, I'm doing my
Speaker 5: own thing. I'm independent. You know, I never I never
Speaker 5: had a boss. I've never been signing nobody. And uh,
Speaker 5: he just said, he said the West Coast is he said,
Speaker 5: Death Row is home to the West Coast.
Speaker 2: I know where this is going.
Speaker 5: It's like, I'm like, show you know you knew it
Speaker 5: was going to So he's like, he's like, man.
Speaker 2: Come on over to differ.
Speaker 5: I'll get you off jibe.
Speaker 2: How long didst you just said that one more time?
Speaker 1: How you said it?
Speaker 5: Come on over to death Roll.
Speaker 2: The wars that everybody he said, come on over to
Speaker 2: death Roll.
Speaker 5: So you know I ain't I'm not a scary nigga
Speaker 5: because I with some real niggas that we know that
Speaker 5: we have no reason to be scared. And then.
Speaker 2: I'm a smart nigga. But where's this at. We're in
Speaker 2: the fucking nightclub in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And wait, Sugar was in Atlanta and you was running
Speaker 1: the land at that time, because.
Speaker 2: Was the worst person. I was a factor in the city.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: I said, come on over to death Yeah, and it
Speaker 5: wasn't me. It wasn't me being a bully. He was
Speaker 5: saying this ship like two niggas talking. He was like,
Speaker 5: you know, man, actually a cool dude that he was being.
Speaker 5: I could see it that it was like a push
Speaker 5: kind of because the actually kind of probably put a
Speaker 5: little weight, like you know, it didn't it didn't. It
Speaker 5: wasn't no kind of threat, but he kind of like
Speaker 5: I felt a little weight. It was like at the
Speaker 5: time he said it, like so he's kind of pushing
Speaker 5: up on me a little bit, but in a friendly
Speaker 5: kind of way. And I just said, I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I ain't trying. I ain't trying to wrap no more. Man,
Speaker 5: I'm starting to lave. I'm about to do my label.
Speaker 2: I'm right now, I ain't trying to wrap no more.
Speaker 5: But you know, that was like nineteen ninety five or
Speaker 5: some ship.
Speaker 2: It's because I also heard jay Z try to sign
Speaker 2: you too.
Speaker 5: Jay never tried to sign j J just would always
Speaker 5: call me to do some work with him.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that room was false. He never tried
Speaker 2: to sign me.
Speaker 5: I probably would have probably probably would have went that
Speaker 5: route because just you know, just to be around that.
Speaker 1: They respect you like a mother fer everybody respect you short.
Speaker 1: Just in case you don't know, let me let me
Speaker 1: just let me just tell you you are well respected,
Speaker 1: well connected.
Speaker 2: We love you on the.
Speaker 1: East Coast to the West Coast to round Man, we
Speaker 1: walked that down south. You are a guy who laid
Speaker 1: out the platform for all of us to do it.
Speaker 1: You're still as cool as hell. I can't believe how
Speaker 1: cool you are.
Speaker 3: A motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. When the interview is old, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna ask you, how can I be.
Speaker 2: As cool as you? That's all I want to do.
Speaker 1: Like, I want to ask you because you're the coolest guy.
Speaker 1: You like how you do that like and you still
Speaker 1: love the game. I got to keep asking you in
Speaker 1: different ways, like why would you the guy that say
Speaker 1: teller man hip hop?
Speaker 5: I told you iceed to been a studio with the
Speaker 5: og is my first studio experience with some old professional niggas.
Speaker 5: And these niggas had some of them, you know, it
Speaker 5: was in it some of them that came and went
Speaker 5: and you know they talked about to days and they
Speaker 5: toured the world and they was in the van or whatever,
Speaker 5: and the niggas said. One of the niggas was one
Speaker 5: of the members of the Dramatics. He was one of
Speaker 5: the niggas. But he was one of the niggas that
Speaker 5: got kicked out the group, and he experienced a few
Speaker 5: hit records and and you know, Nigga tour and then
Speaker 5: he and then the ship left him and he was like, man,
Speaker 5: he was like, dude, whatever you do. He was like,
Speaker 5: he said, I feel like you're gonna be somebody to you. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was like, whatever you do, you make it. He said,
Speaker 5: don't forget to have fun. And I kind of like
Speaker 5: took this ship life. I just kind of like took
Speaker 5: that ship and kind of adapted it in my own
Speaker 5: way that Okay, we're going on our first tour. You know,
Speaker 5: niggas is out there deep deep and ship niggas is
Speaker 5: out there complaining, fucking you know. I mean, we love
Speaker 5: l LL but LLLL used to not talk to rappers.
Speaker 5: Nigga didn't want to be friends with you. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about it. I don't get a worry. It was from
Speaker 5: niggas like I don't like rappers. He wouldn't hang out.
Speaker 5: I've been on tours all Oh my god, huge, Yeah, nigga,
Speaker 5: he would have. He had it rigged so that he
Speaker 5: could get from his dress room to the stage. You
Speaker 5: couldn't even see you wouldn't even see him. The he
Speaker 5: was had different ways of getting there and ship man.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying I just I was the opposite
Speaker 5: of that type of ship where I just was like, Man,
Speaker 5: I'm about to go and everybody's dressing room, We're gonna smoke,
Speaker 5: We're gonna chop all. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm fucking with everybody you know that's been a room
Speaker 2: about you is like Nigga.
Speaker 5: I used to used to do a show fifteen thousand
Speaker 5: motherfuckers in the crowd.
Speaker 2: I would get off stage and then I.
Speaker 1: Was on tour, like the first time I went on
Speaker 1: n w A, the one in the movie Straight Up Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Let's break that down because you can't. You're saying it
Speaker 2: very obviously, but he said it so too cool. He
Speaker 2: said that one of the listen, listen, this is this
Speaker 2: is crazy. This set hot that whole era you was
Speaker 2: on that tour. I'm the group that went on right
Speaker 2: before n w A. That's was like, let's go on
Speaker 2: to you. That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Street right there.
Speaker 2: You make me forget my story down. You went on
Speaker 2: to all with n w A. Way that was your
Speaker 2: first you know.
Speaker 3: He was talking about how you interact with the crowd.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm telling I used to go on stage do
Speaker 5: my show fifteen twenty thousand motherfuckers, and right after I
Speaker 5: get off stage, I grabbed one of the homies because
Speaker 5: if you bring too many for you bring security or something,
Speaker 5: you're gonna cause the cause of fuss. Right after the show,
Speaker 5: in between my show and n w A, I will
Speaker 5: walk through the whole fun crowd, lights on and walk
Speaker 5: through people.
Speaker 2: You know, back then, niggas didn't have no camera phone, niggas.
Speaker 5: Nigga nigga have a pen. Niggas just would like just
Speaker 5: be like man, you know, to hey, what's up? And
Speaker 5: I just I just want to give your people will
Speaker 5: say what are your security? I'm like you my security, nigga.
Speaker 5: He's gonna do something to me, like you know, you
Speaker 5: know Reggie them did that ship and keep mrried Red
Speaker 5: manig that niggas was security nothing.
Speaker 2: They just walk around any fucking crowd.
Speaker 5: I do the same ship.
Speaker 1: I just tested out that I've never no but short
Speaker 1: you was a like a king man of a whole coast.
Speaker 1: It's different and you still to this day walk around
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 5: It's because it's the love. Man, It's the love you
Speaker 5: be somewhere, and that love that makes a noise for
Speaker 5: the love you be somewhere. And somebody said, hey, man,
Speaker 5: you did you did something something. You made a song
Speaker 5: with my little brother and love something something, just you
Speaker 5: made a song with my little brother. Some random mass
Speaker 5: rappers somewhere, niggas like Nigga, all these niggas over here,
Speaker 5: these my niggas. You getting here right because I made
Speaker 5: a song with his little brother.
Speaker 2: So we're good that night.
Speaker 1: Now, you've always been good, mister lord. I don't know
Speaker 1: what kind of well, I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: deal you may with God, but listen, I don't care
Speaker 1: where neighborhood is at.
Speaker 2: It's to pay for philosophy.
Speaker 5: Man. You gotta pay it, you leave it. But you
Speaker 5: learned a lot of shit in life. I'm just talking
Speaker 5: about the knowledge. I'm talking about material things. I'm just
Speaker 5: talking about the knowledge. You got to give it to
Speaker 5: everybody who deserves it. Man, you learned a lot of ship.
Speaker 5: I feel like niggas could have gave me a lot
Speaker 5: of you know, shortcuts could have helped me when I
Speaker 5: was a young nigga.
Speaker 1: You know they didn't help you, so now you want
Speaker 1: to help other people.
Speaker 5: You know some people didn't help you. Gotta you're gonna
Speaker 5: have this live and learn ship. Everybody gotta go through
Speaker 5: their journey, but help niggas.
Speaker 2: Then this past a little bit. I think we gotta
Speaker 2: make a noise for help niggas.
Speaker 1: Help mother fucking niggas. Man, listen, and you know what,
Speaker 1: short it's such a great guy yo. When you was
Speaker 1: on job, I believe you called me. I did a
Speaker 1: record with you for your album. Correct, I forget what's
Speaker 1: your name of the album? I forget.
Speaker 2: That talk about it has on point.
Speaker 1: Job you can't with us.
Speaker 2: He just came home.
Speaker 1: So you just like with street niggas because I how
Speaker 1: did you know the fuck with me? Because I was
Speaker 1: a foul nigga at that time?
Speaker 3: You still I might have.
Speaker 2: Been I might have been platting them, but I was
Speaker 2: a foul nigga.
Speaker 5: Point the point of the song was niggas who niggas
Speaker 5: who are reptible in their area.
Speaker 1: Right just just and it was like, you know because
Speaker 1: I was so I was, I was so honored, but
Speaker 1: I was like, do you know him?
Speaker 2: Because you might shoot somebody when I leave him.
Speaker 5: You can't make you can't make a statement. You can't
Speaker 5: fuck with us. If there's no us.
Speaker 1: You five far you knew, man, knew what you doing.
Speaker 1: And then Pat Bottle did the jail time.
Speaker 5: Like this is I know in in North Carolina where
Speaker 5: he's from, the city rides with them and look at
Speaker 5: that nigga the city.
Speaker 2: I have done concerts.
Speaker 5: Like you know, you go to a city probably like
Speaker 5: hour and a half two hour driving where you're from.
Speaker 2: I have done concerts and took them there, all of
Speaker 2: Oakland with me.
Speaker 5: We show up a thousand deep and they're like, uh,
Speaker 5: like you know, nigga, were all coming in.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker, motherfucking we do that, still do that to this day.
Speaker 5: We did this day.
Speaker 1: I'm a niggas like that. They asked me how many
Speaker 1: I got. I'll be like fall And then when I
Speaker 1: show up and be like four hundred like I said fall,
Speaker 1: I said fall, yeah, four hundreds like yeah, but too short, man.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. Just coming out sitting down,
Speaker 1: you know, being a great sport about it or this
Speaker 1: is about it, just hip hop fans getting to understanding
Speaker 1: and and and and hear these stories. But before you
Speaker 1: go I want to say, how did you eat forty
Speaker 1: ever ahead hook up? Because he's another yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: legend forty.
Speaker 2: And because that's that's still your younger homie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a little I got about a couple of
Speaker 5: two or three Okaya forty and his brother d Shot
Speaker 5: Okay was in the game. They were street niggas, and
Speaker 5: you know, they they dabbled, They they they moved the
Speaker 5: way around.
Speaker 2: So that's what that wle means.
Speaker 1: You learned something today, Let's make let's know what you'll
Speaker 1: learn something today dabbling goddamn it.
Speaker 5: But they probably did a little more than Delin.
Speaker 2: That was just playing.
Speaker 5: So I was just trying to be a PC, all right, Okay.
Speaker 5: So they actually used to do business with my niggas
Speaker 5: who I rode with to this day. My nigga niggas,
Speaker 5: my niggas.
Speaker 4: They was.
Speaker 2: They was youngsters getting money together.
Speaker 5: So there's a thing in the bay where you kind
Speaker 5: of you know, we were over here in Oakland, thirty
Speaker 5: miles over in Valayo, these Valao niggas and these Oakland niggas.
Speaker 5: It's like, all right, we're gonna get down together. And
Speaker 5: you got a city like Richmond and rich master p can't. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So Richmond Niggas and Oakland niggas, like I don't really
Speaker 5: fuck with each other.
Speaker 2: It's like no gang shit.
Speaker 5: But it's just like we're just a little too wild
Speaker 5: to be friends because it never turns out good y'all
Speaker 5: two whiles to be friends with us. We two whiles,
Speaker 5: So we kind of try to either avoid each other
Speaker 5: or it's just it's just it's just many right maniacs shit.
Speaker 5: So so Valao Niggas and Oakland Niggas always been like
Speaker 5: kind of like sister city type shit. So we the
Speaker 5: niggas fuck with us. And E forty was my homie
Speaker 5: forever and ever and ever and ever where. We never
Speaker 5: made songs together. Were just homies, were the same. We'd
Speaker 5: see each other click. Everybody know each other. I know
Speaker 5: all these little brothers, I know his sister, I know
Speaker 5: the whole ship. Before we made a song, and we
Speaker 5: did a concert one of those radio stations, Summer Jams,
Speaker 5: Summer Jam, Summer Jam, and the niggas they had you
Speaker 5: ever heard the Loonies of course? Okay, so the loonies had,
Speaker 5: of course loonies, my homies, my young homies who they
Speaker 5: come from the cloth Man. They come from what I'm
Speaker 5: what I'm from the trinkle Down the game. The niggas
Speaker 5: who put out their records with my homie.
Speaker 1: They he said, to trinkle down. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means, but I'm gonna take it. Make it make sense.
Speaker 2: They come from that.
Speaker 5: So so the Loonies had this song called Player Hater,
Speaker 5: and they say they was mad at me about this
Speaker 5: whole story.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you.
Speaker 5: They was mad at me on some on some inside
Speaker 5: ship and they said some ship about me.
Speaker 2: The song.
Speaker 5: They said, that's why the town got rid of short
Speaker 5: and they said it a year after I moved to Atlanta.
Speaker 5: So they sinuated and start this little buzz that maybe
Speaker 5: the Loonies was like, nigga, you gotta move out of town. Niggas,
Speaker 5: you can't be in Oaklan no more.
Speaker 4: Some ship.
Speaker 5: So I'm in Atlanta, having the time of my life,
Speaker 5: still mad as fucking this bullshit. So the radio station
Speaker 5: is holding what would be the hot ninety seven summer jam.
Speaker 5: It's one of those one o six in Atlanta and
Speaker 5: in uh uh, in Oakland and in the Bay. It's
Speaker 5: a kb on one O six summer jam. And I'm
Speaker 5: I'm the nigga who the radio station came to when
Speaker 5: they first started doing Summer Jam and said, hey, we
Speaker 5: need to like get some urban support. Can you be
Speaker 5: on the show. And I'm like, cool, I'm with you.
Speaker 5: So I'm like feeling like this kind of is supposed
Speaker 5: to be my friends. I helped these niggas.
Speaker 2: Theiga was a rock station.
Speaker 5: Wow, I turned into an urban station, and they asked
Speaker 5: niggas like me, can you come help us? Went over
Speaker 5: the community. So I'm like that shit mean something. And
Speaker 5: they played this record and put in a rotation where
Speaker 5: it said that's why the town got rid of short
Speaker 5: one line and yeah. And I'm like, I'm like a
Speaker 5: nigga like this. I'm like, niggas, you don't it's not
Speaker 5: it's zero disrespect. It's not gonna fucking happen. It's just
Speaker 5: we don't walk away from the ship. I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: rap about you. So, nigga, something's gonna happen. So I
Speaker 5: called the radio station. I was like, yeah, I'm coming
Speaker 5: to the concert. They didn't want me on the show.
Speaker 5: Of course, they told me. You know, I moved in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: We were kind of like supporting the local artists. Shit
Speaker 5: you moved away. So I'm like, well, I just.
Speaker 2: Want to come see the show. They gave me four
Speaker 2: sticker passes. Yeah, nigga.
Speaker 5: We rode up there at about sixty niggas, four niggas in,
Speaker 5: one nigga out, four more niggas in, one nigga out.
Speaker 5: He came out with the three passes, three niggas. We
Speaker 5: still do that, yeah, make that's called the line hold.
Speaker 5: So before they realized what had happened, we sixty East
Speaker 5: Oakland niggas in the concert.
Speaker 2: No authorization.
Speaker 5: We just in there, nigga, and we've been we being
Speaker 5: real cool. We ain't got no problem. But it's sixty niggas,
Speaker 5: sixty grimy niggas, and I'm requesting shit. I'm like, nigga,
Speaker 5: I need for y'all to walk me out on the
Speaker 5: stage and tell the crowd. Me and Loony's gonna tell
Speaker 5: the crowd it ain't nothing, beloved, And we just just
Speaker 5: had to happen. And they was like, oh, we're gonna
Speaker 5: do this, this, this and that, and they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Do it, and I'm like, loonies. The loonies was with it.
Speaker 2: They were the little homies. They got to your mouth.
Speaker 2: They walked up to us, and they was like, man,
Speaker 2: what we gotta do?
Speaker 5: Whatever?
Speaker 2: The concert people wouldn't wouldn't.
Speaker 5: Let it happen. I'm like, we got to kill this
Speaker 5: motherfucking ship. Ain't nobody telling about the Loonies is my
Speaker 5: enemies and were running away. We're gonna just walk out
Speaker 5: and just say it's just love. That's all I wanted
Speaker 5: to tell the people. And it was like, no, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't do it. So we had We said that, well,
Speaker 5: let me let us holler at the manager. The manager, nigga,
Speaker 5: my niggahs, my niggas, my homie, and we went in
Speaker 5: this back room we're supposed to be hollering at one
Speaker 5: of the concert promoters. We back there and then the
Speaker 5: ship get out of hand. Niggas, niggas lumped up the
Speaker 5: Loonies manager.
Speaker 2: A little bit and we didn't know this is where
Speaker 2: it's going.
Speaker 5: So the nigga got lumped up and curled all up
Speaker 5: and ship and all this ship.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't even really ask for me.
Speaker 5: It was just like a blue blue bloom, like, nigga,
Speaker 5: shut up, we heard about mister bullshit. So we walk out.
Speaker 5: Now we got the mob. The mob is not satisfied.
Speaker 5: They like kind of hungry. And then we walked through
Speaker 5: the crowd and we just like we're not doing nothing
Speaker 5: to nobody, but we're just not happy, and we kind
Speaker 5: of moving around, and it just we went and we
Speaker 5: went and took a little section. Then you know, like
Speaker 5: you make niggas like just take they shit, we took
Speaker 5: a little section. We're gonna watch the next act. Somebody
Speaker 5: come on the scene. And then everybody that was just
Speaker 5: the powers that be just didn't like what they saw.
Speaker 5: They just didn't like it that they just it was
Speaker 5: just nervousness, and they canceled the show. They canceled, like
Speaker 5: the last two acts they canceled. It must have been
Speaker 5: like the Isley Brothers in e forty forty was headlining
Speaker 5: twenty five thirty thousand. You had never met it was
Speaker 5: homiess Oh, we was homemie nigga. I got your number mind,
Speaker 5: that's my nigga. They canceled the show. Wow, forty had
Speaker 5: spent like maybe like you know, a lot of grip
Speaker 5: on some special show he was gonna do with the
Speaker 5: big show of the summer, and they canceled it. And
Speaker 5: they went and told the nigga we canceled you because
Speaker 5: it's too short now, mind you.
Speaker 1: We wasn't.
Speaker 5: We wasn't fighting, We wasn't Mobby will and fucking with
Speaker 5: the people. We just we just kind of like did
Speaker 5: the little thing in the back back area and left
Speaker 5: watching the show. But they're nervous that they couldn't control
Speaker 5: the ship.
Speaker 1: So but you had had not met E forty prior
Speaker 1: to rap, I.
Speaker 5: Knew we forty before we was wrapped.
Speaker 2: I know why.
Speaker 5: We early days, the early days, it was just like,
Speaker 5: what's up, nigga, Like it wasn't back in the day,
Speaker 5: niggas didn't wrap together exactly.
Speaker 2: It's make a record with you.
Speaker 3: Wasn't.
Speaker 5: That wasn't even an idea, make your album, make my mouth.
Speaker 5: But we just what's up and we hang out whatever.
Speaker 5: We was tired a little bit with d shot shots
Speaker 5: his little brother. That's my nigga, forty forty my nigga. Nope,
Speaker 5: the shots forty the click they was in the click. Okay,
Speaker 5: So Monday morning comes the radio station. The show was
Speaker 5: probably like Saturday and Sunday. Monday morning comes the radio
Speaker 5: station does a fake caller pretending to be too short,
Speaker 5: no way, and the nigga calls up. It's like, Nigga, yeah, nigga.
Speaker 5: Niggas didn't want to let me on stage. Nigga, I
Speaker 5: don't give a fuck if it was forty eight one
Speaker 5: thousand niggas short, don't get him stay no way. The
Speaker 5: niggas calling talked to shit on the morning show start
Speaker 5: that this sway was probably going by then okay, cool,
Speaker 5: and they doing this joke. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: it's a bitch down there that's the program director or something.
Speaker 5: This bitch is sending out facts and emails saying too short,
Speaker 5: it's violent band, the nigga from raping, don't ever play
Speaker 5: his music, all kinds of shit.
Speaker 2: So I'm like trying a black bolly.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, I'm taking this shit firstal then then
Speaker 5: the fucking phone rings. I don't even know shit was
Speaker 5: on the air.
Speaker 2: I don't even know. E forty called me.
Speaker 5: He was like, Nigga, was you on the radio this morning?
Speaker 5: I'm like, nah, nigga. He's like, Nigga, you didn't do
Speaker 5: say such such. I'm like, no, man, So the niggas
Speaker 5: like we stand up.
Speaker 2: Niggas. Niggas said, so you're telling me you didn't call
Speaker 2: the radio siging.
Speaker 5: He said, I said, nigga, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He said, okay, and then he.
Speaker 5: Started spinning the game to E forty is a real game,
Speaker 5: dumb nigga. So he started spending these like the radio
Speaker 5: stations trying to play games with us, blah blah this that.
Speaker 5: He's like, man, these folks, you know, we started talking
Speaker 5: about how much money he spent on his set. They
Speaker 5: didn't get it to the showing, and they personally told
Speaker 5: him it's two short fault. He was like, man, we're
Speaker 5: not finna turn this in the that because we know
Speaker 5: who we are. Your niggas, mind niggas. We know we're
Speaker 5: not finna do that. We finished, he said, let's get
Speaker 5: in the studio and make some music. We made a
Speaker 5: song called rappers Ball, and it's like that was like
Speaker 5: a big record for that's the first record.
Speaker 2: Ever made, and big record for your city, big record.
Speaker 5: For the Bay. Yeah, it was huge. It went everywhere
Speaker 5: and basically the ship of a you know, corporate type structure,
Speaker 5: motherfuckers in an office room trying to play some real
Speaker 5: niggas against each other kind of made us tighter than
Speaker 5: we ever been. And we kind of we were we
Speaker 5: were cool as fuck. But after that we made record
Speaker 5: after record after record. We started talking on the phone
Speaker 5: every other day. We kind of like walking each other
Speaker 5: through each other's albums and ship. Niggas don't know. We
Speaker 5: was on jive and we never really dropped in the
Speaker 5: same quarter, so we would be like both we'd be
Speaker 5: critiquing each other's albums while we're making them. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you finna hit them hard, niggah. Yeah, And then I'm
Speaker 5: listening to him going, oh shit, I got to get
Speaker 5: there go hard because this nigga about about to knock
Speaker 5: me off, you know. So we kind of being friends
Speaker 5: and competitors, we kind of held each other down on
Speaker 5: on keeping it keeping that ship hardcore.
Speaker 1: Like wow, So before we get up out of here,
Speaker 1: was you in the session with Big.
Speaker 5: When you made the record when the remies in my system?
Speaker 5: Ain't no telling that I.
Speaker 2: Was in the room, that he was in the room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when his legs was hurting shit, he was
Speaker 5: sitting down rapping and ship hell yeah.
Speaker 1: And then how about with Jay did y'all sit up session?
Speaker 5: I did that session with Jay?
Speaker 2: It was all good.
Speaker 5: Just a week ago I did that ship, I did
Speaker 5: the other song up and I was on Uh, Real
Speaker 5: niggas do real things, all the words. I was on
Speaker 5: that show. He really wanted Scarface on that song. And
Speaker 5: and back then them niggas. It was that ship where
Speaker 5: the niggas used to love Tupac so much. It was
Speaker 5: like UGK and Nigga are niggas. They loved Tupac so
Speaker 5: much to like, Man, I ain't work with nobody from
Speaker 5: New York. I just it was just it was, let
Speaker 5: me stop you right there. We love short New York.
Speaker 2: He's trying to be.
Speaker 1: Humble right now.
Speaker 2: He's humble. Look, I used to be telling niggas like this.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I talked to the niggas car Face all nigga real
Speaker 5: talk back in the day. I'm like, Nigga, go to
Speaker 5: New York. It's gonna take your career to a new level.
Speaker 5: Them niggas fuck with you, and we didn't. We didn't know.
Speaker 5: Somebody had to tell you. I say, passed it on.
Speaker 2: I didn't know, Nigga. I'm on the elevator.
Speaker 5: And then Nigga bell hops saying, I ain't never heard
Speaker 5: of you, man, Why why you got on Jurey?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Who was you?
Speaker 5: I said, Nigga I'm too short, and now I saw
Speaker 5: the million records. The bell hoped the bell, I mean
Speaker 5: the Hotel New York, like, you know you did, nigga, Wow, never,
Speaker 5: I never heard you could have sw the million records.
Speaker 1: This is the crazy shit is you know what side
Speaker 1: of you telling? Because we always felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: we showed y'all love.
Speaker 5: And I told the bell man, nigga, I do shows.
Speaker 5: The big daddy came that nigga said, now.
Speaker 3: I know you like.
Speaker 2: And you did do shows.
Speaker 5: Show is crazy. This monkey is my nigga. Man, that's
Speaker 5: my my homie. Like I was talking a lot of
Speaker 5: my fuckers.
Speaker 2: Ja Ja is my nigga.
Speaker 5: That's my nigga.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Way back when he.
Speaker 1: Was God bless him, God bless him. Your too. Show
Speaker 1: got the craziest stories.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: We just made sup. Let's make some noise for to
Speaker 2: shot man coming out.
Speaker 1: Bringing it out.
Speaker 2: I was there, you were there.
Speaker 5: I told you I just turned fifty. Niggas.
Speaker 1: I know some ship carr Us one totals, he turned
Speaker 1: fifty and he pulled on a a off peak card.
Speaker 3: You Bagels and Denny, you got a.
Speaker 2: Let me let me see what kind of car you got.
Speaker 5: Let me see what.
Speaker 3: We need. Sonny here where Sonny.
Speaker 2: At cannabis card? Goddamn, look at that.
Speaker 1: Look at that.
Speaker 2: That's make some noose for too short being a super smoke.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: Shure.
Speaker 5: This is listen.
Speaker 2: I can't thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Man, Listen, I can never repay you for this, because
Speaker 1: I don't know if people understand what this is. There's
Speaker 1: people from the Bay Area, there's people from South Central,
Speaker 1: there's people from New York that all want to know
Speaker 1: your story. And right now, I mean in the hip
Speaker 1: hop way, but I say they know your story. But
Speaker 1: in the hip hop way, we're not journalists. We don't
Speaker 1: Google ship. We sit there just a conversation. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest. I don't know the Google, but I do
Speaker 1: to get the porn sites.
Speaker 2: Just figured that out. Yeah, Hamster, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: But and and we sit here with hip hop legend.
Speaker 2: We had carras One sitting right there. This is correct,
Speaker 2: that right there was right there. And once some more
Speaker 2: drive records he was on driving the hotel.
Speaker 1: We got Q tip that's coming to the block, give
Speaker 1: records exactly. So I'm bringing it up. Rest in peace
Speaker 1: to five go and I can't thank you enough, my brother.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate this. I was so excited.
Speaker 1: My brother dj AFN told me, he said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, two shorts coming in. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you felt it when he was on
Speaker 1: the phone, but I kept going like this, I heard it.
Speaker 2: Where did that come from? Sure?
Speaker 1: Because every time I hear your name, I keep hopping
Speaker 1: my collar.
Speaker 2: Is that cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's a pimp gesture. That's a PM gesture.
Speaker 1: So you like every time if we're not like if
Speaker 1: I'm in like if I'm in like Tucson, Arizona, and
Speaker 1: they say you wanted too short ribs or the older
Speaker 1: pars used to wear.
Speaker 2: This, and I go like this, yeah you're good, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 5: Used to wear suits and ship man, they really used
Speaker 5: to pop their collars.
Speaker 2: They had collars you don't have. I didn't know where
Speaker 2: the popping collar came from.
Speaker 5: So you had these certain characters that they the whole
Speaker 5: time they talking to you, like a nigga is so clean.
Speaker 5: It just like you know, man, but I was doing this.
Speaker 5: I just like this, not just and they just pop
Speaker 5: it and it's just what kind of style you got,
Speaker 5: like they got order to picture and they talk like
Speaker 5: that the whole time. They talk to you when they're
Speaker 5: getting or after they tell up, while the niggas just
Speaker 5: walk up talking to your niggas, talking like my nigga.
Speaker 2: My nigga, you have to talk short. Get me right?
Speaker 2: Am I doing the correct? When I doing it? You
Speaker 2: got the one hand pop together? Let me look at you,
Speaker 2: let me see you do it.
Speaker 5: You really got to be wearing a collar shirt though,
Speaker 5: you got to pop your collar.
Speaker 2: Tell you something else. I told you.
Speaker 5: I come from a different closet and things with you.
Speaker 5: I come from the finesse niggas.
Speaker 4: Don't.
Speaker 5: You don't necessarily have to do a lot of exterior.
Speaker 5: You're sitting there quietly, you hold a bitch what to do,
Speaker 5: and you just sitting there. You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't have to brag on it. You feel me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I am married those kind of cats. I
Speaker 5: took on that style of just not but do they
Speaker 5: pop their caller? You kind of don't. You don't do
Speaker 5: the loud. You don't rhyme, you don't rhyme, you don't
Speaker 5: dress too loud. You just kind of like you run
Speaker 5: that game, and you so.
Speaker 1: Sure if I could be a temporary pimp for like
Speaker 1: one day, could you coach me?
Speaker 2: I've been telling you all day. I gave you Anthony.
Speaker 2: You know I'll keep trying to changing out.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: When the bitch chose me, I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: After that, I was like, oh, ship, but does the
Speaker 3: chick ever pimped the dudes that happens.
Speaker 5: You will never become a boss pimp unless a bitch
Speaker 5: turns you out first. You could think anything you.
Speaker 3: Want, but she got confused.
Speaker 2: I let's go like this.
Speaker 5: You never pimped the whole before, and you're gonna and
Speaker 5: you're gonna turn the bitch out for the first time.
Speaker 5: So she's just getting turned down. You just getting turned out, y'all.
Speaker 5: What the y'all gonna do together? Who never hold the pimp?
Speaker 5: Who never pimped? Somebody got to give you that game.
Speaker 5: You got to go get your feet with the best time.
Speaker 2: Let's make some noise in school. That is real that
Speaker 2: the best time you ever gonna get.
Speaker 5: This is the first.
Speaker 2: You might get a little junior house.
Speaker 5: She's like, I do it for you. She might be
Speaker 5: around junior around, but at the first so you're gonna
Speaker 5: knock another You're the new young pimp. You're the new
Speaker 5: young pemp. Youre gonna knock another another niggas bitch, you've
Speaker 5: been getting it.
Speaker 2: She coming over.
Speaker 5: You're like this, bitch I've been having. Ain't never hold
Speaker 5: like this. You got a super hole down, and you're like,
Speaker 5: oh ship when once you got a super hole and
Speaker 5: you adapt, you can't go read some of them books.
Speaker 2: Man, You.
Speaker 5: And you sit there and you you ain't never let
Speaker 5: her know that you can't hang with her, but you're
Speaker 5: pimping your way into it. The next hole you get,
Speaker 5: you're gonna be harder and harder and harder. Like you know,
Speaker 5: you learned some ship from that superhow you learn. That's
Speaker 5: why females teaching the dude. You had the junior hole
Speaker 5: and he was like, she bring me a little something.
Speaker 5: Now you got a super how you like every whole
Speaker 5: after that, you're like, do you fucking know what? Who
Speaker 5: it is?
Speaker 1: That's why he gave me a famous player card.
Speaker 2: I wanted to give it back.
Speaker 1: I said, you guys are complicated. This is very complicated.
Speaker 1: Your lifestyle is very hard style.
Speaker 5: But the famous player card is not a famous pimp.
Speaker 3: Card.
Speaker 5: It's just for the players, man, because they all know
Speaker 5: it's differences player. They all know I don't really be
Speaker 5: off there trying to pimp holes and ship.
Speaker 2: I don't. I never same. She should just from older,
Speaker 2: same way. Let's make it hot five for you, pimp
Speaker 2: polder Stell.
Speaker 5: Come on, every.
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you're too short.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm at the club in Las Vegas, hanging
Speaker 5: with my folks at the table. The bitch walks up
Speaker 5: to me and hands me like seventeen eighteen hundred and said,
Speaker 5: you're the reason why I'm homeing and walked away. She
Speaker 5: can't tell me her motherfucking name. I didn't even see
Speaker 5: what she gave me to she was out of sight.
Speaker 5: I looked.
Speaker 1: I was like, nigga, bitch, just walk had to be this,
Speaker 1: and then what did you do to seventeen hundred?
Speaker 2: Le's keep it d We bought that.
Speaker 5: We just we spending.
Speaker 1: We gave, we came back, We gave it back to
Speaker 1: keep it together, keep it together, back to you.
Speaker 2: She never introduced her name.
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you what her face, so I can
Speaker 5: never tell you.
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Listen, let me tell you we got the legend too
Speaker 1: short in hair. We're gonna lie paid it back to
Speaker 1: the game. Not trying to pimp until the pip came
Speaker 1: to me, wants to peric to me, I turn what
Speaker 1: to do with the.
Speaker 2: Niggas? Like, you give me your bit, don't do ju?
Speaker 6: I said, not anybody anybody know enough not to know
Speaker 6: to give them my bitch. Anybody that's listening, I gave
Speaker 6: a bitch to like cars. I gave a bitch to
Speaker 6: like like to see or something I throw.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, anybody that's listening, just remember this. Don't don't
Speaker 5: listen to ship about some pimp rules and ship and
Speaker 5: yeah and think you're gonna wake up trying to be
Speaker 5: a pimp. It's not something that you do. It's not
Speaker 5: something that you adapt to lifestyle. You know, just like
Speaker 5: anything you do, you become an expert.
Speaker 2: You know it's in you.
Speaker 5: It's in you.
Speaker 1: Yeah right now.
Speaker 2: I love the art of it, but.
Speaker 5: It's not in me. I don't have powers. I don't
Speaker 5: passion that you see me for for hip hop and
Speaker 5: music in the last show, and I don't have that
Speaker 5: passion for pimping.
Speaker 1: But you have the passion more for hip hop than
Speaker 1: I love the art of the pimp game.
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful thing. If you you know what is
Speaker 5: the best profession after pimping, if you've been a pimp.
Speaker 5: Hell no, what I'm saying, thank you. That's what most
Speaker 5: pimps do. They started preaching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, preaching that. Yeah, you got listen. The level of
Speaker 1: hustling is being is owning the church. That's the last level.
Speaker 5: I'm not laughing I'm not laughing at Christianity. I'm laughing
Speaker 5: at preacher.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: The real hustler, last hustle is being a preacher. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you that the preacher's pimping his congregation.
Speaker 2: Who gives a fuck. That's the last levels that well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put I'm gonna put it to you another way.
Speaker 5: Now, let's say, throughout your life the way you learned
Speaker 5: how to be a pimp was that you figured, I
Speaker 5: have the gift the gap. You told that to yourself,
Speaker 5: The gift, the gabage your main weapon, and pimpings.
Speaker 2: Unless you're a gorilla pimp, you just was the punch
Speaker 2: of facing the big as you as.
Speaker 5: You stare in the ugly face of pimping, you see
Speaker 5: a fucking hole die on the job or some ship
Speaker 5: murdered or the junkie hole overdose. Is just the bitch
Speaker 5: life get fucked off and she ended up in prison.
Speaker 5: You never see it again, like, you know, just the
Speaker 5: ugly side of this, the ship that the ship that
Speaker 5: fucks you up in the head. You've seen how you
Speaker 5: took this little innocent girl who was a waitress. You
Speaker 5: sit and you see what she ended up being, and
Speaker 5: you like, damn, how am I in the eyes of
Speaker 5: God if I did this to her? And you start
Speaker 5: feeling like a fucking monster, like it ain't for everybody
Speaker 5: in the long run. So what do you do? You
Speaker 5: you fucking step to the light and you go to
Speaker 5: the church and you start really realizing that damn, I
Speaker 5: been walking the wrong path. And then you end up
Speaker 5: being a fucking preacher later. But the main thing is
Speaker 5: why are you a good preacher? Because from day one
Speaker 5: you had to give the gap. You have to get swag.
Speaker 5: It ain't like if a pimp turned preacher. He's not
Speaker 5: he's not being wicked or he's not. He might just
Speaker 5: really have went that path where he looked at that
Speaker 5: ugly ship and he saw it and he went the
Speaker 5: other way. So men, some of them might be wicked. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it might be, but I'm just saying that the money
Speaker 5: I don't want to be just saying some ship where
Speaker 5: real ship, though that ship gets ugly. I know a
Speaker 5: church boy right now that pimped his ass off, and
Speaker 5: the only reason why he's a church boy because it's
Speaker 5: because of what he saw him pimping fucked him up.
Speaker 2: He's make some noise for the ship that sucked him up.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 2: Yo, yo, follow disclaimer on this ship always wants to disclaim.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: If you listen to two shorts, you get pimp tomorrow.
Speaker 2: List listen.
Speaker 3: I fucked up with the bit like, listen, here's a
Speaker 3: horrible pimp list.
Speaker 2: Like I went.
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta choose to lose the big ship.
Speaker 1: I chose as soon as he chose me. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, what did I do for?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: What did I do?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: And I was fucked up?
Speaker 1: Pimp juju kN uh bacher don wong was They was
Speaker 1: all trying to knock my bach. They was like I
Speaker 1: was holding it down because I was like, they can'tkno
Speaker 1: my bach because I see I seen the documentaries, so
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna knock my bitch. As
Speaker 1: soon as I left, I just left alone and that
Speaker 1: was it, so I knew I can. I can.
Speaker 5: There's two things you gotta do to establish You have
Speaker 5: to you have to get a choosing fee, and you
Speaker 5: have to at least.
Speaker 2: Send me away loosing fee.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: That's when she pays you to be with you.
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me as soon as she
Speaker 1: chose me, I should have bitch a lot of paying
Speaker 1: off a lot of him.
Speaker 5: Set the bar kind of kind of steep if you
Speaker 5: ask me, I don't know. They like, you know, it's
Speaker 5: like five ten racks. I heard five racks I.
Speaker 2: Could have got.
Speaker 7: I could have got if you could have gotten signed
Speaker 7: the short start your phone, man, want to change numbers.
Speaker 7: I was playing the wrong game for a long time.
Speaker 2: You're sure.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being a great sport and
Speaker 1: going out here having us man a little.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, it look like I had care of.
Speaker 2: Someone right there. It looks like you're drinking at my tie.
Speaker 2: It's it looks like, yo, shut Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: my brother. Easy on the pimping, yas you're gonna get
Speaker 2: you responsibly.
Speaker 1: Like I want to.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pimp.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pimp like your dogs first before you go
Speaker 1: up gonna I'm gonna pimp.
Speaker 2: Like in my mind.
Speaker 1: We'll have Short exact run run me through it in
Speaker 1: my mind and then maybe no, I'm never gonna try.
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna try. But at least at least Short
Speaker 2: taught me. Yeah you short man, I really appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2: Every time a person say how did that happen? Before
Speaker 2: we get out of it, is that word I.
Speaker 5: Showed you how to wrap. Partner Freddie b. So we
Speaker 5: try to do everything that the streets do. In the
Speaker 5: streets was doing a lot of drugs. So we used
Speaker 5: to do these little skits before the songs. Is just
Speaker 5: like either acting like gangsters or just slick talking niggas.
Speaker 5: And one of the skids we used to do is
Speaker 5: was about this, uh, this chick who.
Speaker 1: She was a bead.
Speaker 5: So so we pretended like like we're smoking crack cocaine.
Speaker 5: But wait, but this was not crack, but wore crack
Speaker 5: cocaine at one This was not cracked.
Speaker 2: We sprinkled a little bit in the joints, but were
Speaker 2: not You did hit that he did, Yeah, this tastes good.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: It was crazy. Don't let it take you down. But
Speaker 5: look at that stuff so smoking dirty back then, it
Speaker 5: wasn't when we was wrapping the early eighties, it wasn't crack.
Speaker 5: It was called freebasing, and it was only her. It
Speaker 5: was only what rich fly fly people did. It was
Speaker 5: if he was showing off rich motherfucker you free base.
Speaker 5: That was the ship that burned rich prize and that
Speaker 5: that was that was in the pipe, or that was
Speaker 5: that was It was the same thing.
Speaker 2: It was the same thing as the crackhead. It was
Speaker 2: smoking the pipe.
Speaker 5: But when it first came out, it came out as
Speaker 5: an elegant thing that only rich people did were about
Speaker 5: to go smoke.
Speaker 2: It was like, this is the upgrade from cocaine. Rich people.
Speaker 5: Freebasing was something that people openly saying, we're freebasing, but
Speaker 5: crack is uping.
Speaker 2: When you turn to crack head.
Speaker 5: That was the same fucking ship, but it just had
Speaker 5: a different hood, different time and era.
Speaker 2: So we used to mimic freebasing.
Speaker 5: So we would sit there and be like, you know
Speaker 5: the bitches like hit I hit this baby, like you know,
Speaker 5: the tap is about to come on the music coming on.
Speaker 2: We're doing the skip for it.
Speaker 5: Come on like this hit and hitt and say like
Speaker 5: mother fucking choking ship and then uh, like bitch, you
Speaker 5: hitting you smoking too much? And then uh and then
Speaker 5: my man like somebody being there doing the girl voice
Speaker 5: or whatever, and then uh and then it should be
Speaker 5: like the bitch like like bitch like that's where it got.
Speaker 1: We did that skit let's noise for crack making making
Speaker 1: up to be.
Speaker 2: Crack cocaine, get.
Speaker 5: Something, get so many times that the bitches kept getting
Speaker 5: longer and longer and longer until it was just.
Speaker 2: Like bitch and is that your favorite word? It really
Speaker 2: is my favorite.
Speaker 5: But look at this. They got a rude awakening though,
Speaker 5: because I went and looked at some old Dola Mite movie.
Speaker 6: This saying.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 1: But you're doing none at a hip hop. You are
Speaker 1: the you are the king, You're the first pimper hip hop.
Speaker 1: You are the first person that made us proud to
Speaker 1: be who you are, where you want to be. We
Speaker 1: want to salute you, too short. Let's still say that
Speaker 1: we love you. We want to say that we want
Speaker 1: to keep continuing.
Speaker 2: And you look the same. You ain't aging. We are
Speaker 2: saluting you, my brother. You're a great guy.
Speaker 1: We love you, Drink Champs, love you definitely, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna drink some Champagne. I've been drinking you hard, Lick.
Speaker 2: I know you're up here.
Speaker 5: You got me a little.
Speaker 3: Podcast.
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep it going here you are. I'm never alright.
Speaker 1: We got always almost almost into this night, like man,
Speaker 1: what UPO?
Speaker 2: Wo too short? Thank you for coming the drink Champs.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know all right, I'll just keep coughing.
Speaker 1: Thank you to stop coughing.
Speaker 5: Hit the way again.
Speaker 2: It's like your TV show, yes what happened on my
Speaker 2: TV show yesterday? I forgot oh yo.
Speaker 5: We had face faces like I'm in Miami, nigga, like
Speaker 5: we just got off the cruise. Me Louke, we was
Speaker 5: all on this cruise.
Speaker 2: Chill high five, high fi.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: All good.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
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