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You didn't even know 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.840 you was doing it? Remember everybody listening to you? So, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:27.119 oh is everybody listening to me? Okay that Oh it's 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:27.520 all right. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:32.480 How am I subconscious No, it's all right, that's for 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.200 another day. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.399 I didn't know everybody was listening to that conversation. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.080 they listening. Now, okay, well let's go ahead and start. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.680 You know, this is what excuse excuse me. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.400 This is what the whole stream is about, though, about 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.160 what real conversations. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.240 Oh no, that was you know, that wasn't a real 0:01:53.360 --> 0:02:02.040 real conversation. That was feeler you know because okay, when 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.640 I say subconsciously shame in me? Is I said that 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.600 because when you bring up how to eat to Live? 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.880 I remembered on my time. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.440 You know, uh, as a I don't want to say 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.240 I act to see Muslim, because I'm always a Muslim. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.440 But when I was in the Nation of it is 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:25.639 they got you together? 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.240 Oh yeah, they Oh they definitely got me to oh 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:30.440 really cleaned me up? 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:31.359 Yes they did. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.040 But reading that book That's what brings back to where 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.560 I say shame, because I always hear you know, you 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.400 got a shame of man to change a man. That's 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.160 what they used to always say to me. Yeah, that's 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:42.120 what they used to say to me. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:44.679 Oh, I get what's said. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.000 So when you say that, it brings me back to 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.000 those days. That's why I say it subconsciously. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.240 Oh, you're just been a shame. It's not something I'm doing. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.000 It's something you. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:59.240 Feel the vehicle is coming through you. So that's why 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.480 I say I'm changing my eating. Now, I'm gonna start 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.560 trying to you know, get my eating Ryan, look at 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.520 more carbohydrates and stuff like that, because I look at 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.440 how you work out and do what you do. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.600 The biggest thing, like I said, I just started looking 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.040 at food like energy. Every now and then I'll like 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.359 divulge in it and just for taste. Like when I 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.760 went to that thing, I grabbed some barbecue because I 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:24.960 went early. I went to my older brother's party. Shout 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.200 out to my brother Pool, Yesterday was his birthday. Happy 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.200 birthday to my big brother. Happy birthday, Pool, Happy Birthday, 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.720 Joey west Side. Today's Joey west Side Birthday. Joe happy birthday. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.840 So I went to his birthday party Saturday night and 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.320 I got there early. So Wood's Barbecue is right across 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.080 the street from Wood's Barbecue on Inglewood, and. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:44.360 I was like, let me just go get something. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.120 I haven't had nothing, but I already knew at that 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.400 time I had eight already, so I wasn't gonna eat 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.120 it that day, but I was like, I eat it 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.480 tomorrow because I'm in the city to me grab it. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.440 So after I grab it, I get it. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.240 The next day and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna eat 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.160 this barbecue right, but I'm eat it really early because 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.440 I don't want to be sitting around with beef and 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.480 chicken just on me too late. So instead of eating 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.840 like at three o'clock in the afternoon like I always do, 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:16.400 I ate it at twelve, maybe even eleven thirty. That's 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.760 how early I ate it. I ate you real early too, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.800 to really make sure I had time to digest it. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:23.640 Man. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.120 When I tell you this morning, before I went to workout, man, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.280 my stomach was hurting so bad. Man, that shit tore 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.480 me up. And I don't think it was the food 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.160 as much as it was spicy. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.919 Could it be you ate out of sink. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.760 Definitely eating out of sink. But I could tell how 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.840 much my body was working a process at all. 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.680 So that wasn't like good carbohydrates. That was a bad 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:45.480 meal or was it? 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.640 Like I didn't really have too many starches with it, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.080 like only like this little small cup of potato salad. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.560 But it was just too much protein without vegetables. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.600 You think the sauce matter. The sauce is a big 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.919 part the sauce. But I like woodies. I'm one of 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:58.240 the people. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.200 I don't really I like woodies in Phillips, you know 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.160 what I'm saying, Like I grew up on that, you 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.080 know what I mean, going. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:04.839 Over there to get that stuff. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.800 So but I just think I haven't like I've been 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.960 eating a really good balance of shit, you know what 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:11.240 I mean? 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:12.640 Every meal. I don't need. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.520 Starches unless I'm working hard. Today I didn't do any starches. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:16.719 What's what's starches? 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:16.880 Like? 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:23.360 What foods is starches? Weat like bread, potatoes, but carbohydrates 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.160 like wheat and stuff like that. Was getting carbohydrates. Everything 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.200 is gonna turn into a car. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:33.760 Somethings start off that way, right, So like bread, potatoes, pasta, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.920 all stuff that's for like when you pour, you know 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.919 what I mean, you get that to stretch meals. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.599 When you pour, you get that stuff to stretch meals. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.200 But when you start making some money and you could 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.279 afford it, you don't need it as much. Think about 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:50.360 every great poor thing probably has something to do with starches. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.960 Tacos is the tortilla shells. Burritos are tortilla shehells pasta. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.760 You know, that's poor northern Italian people, right, that's that's 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.800 the pasta. It's all like that even for us, like 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.160 you know, we grew up in black household especially if 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.600 you grew up like us, you know, and poor households. Right, 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.880 it's a ton of starches with every meal. You know, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.200 we had put a rice with a potato and some 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.960 bread and ship, you know. And then fast food is 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.840 a bunch of starches hamburgers with fries. So you know, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.280 that's a real serious surfplus of energy. Like most of 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:26.840 the time we're not doing nothing to deal with that 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.159 much energy. So then the energy just gets misplaced and 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.240 hence you have what you call fat. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.240 So what's good color hydrates to eat? 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.320 Yeah, that's everything, everything has farbs in it, I think. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.320 Yeah, everything has carves in it, and to glasses to 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.880 what glasses just said. Money has a lot to do 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.280 with it too, because the better quality of starts as 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.240 you buy and the way you make prepare them a 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.359 long goes a long way, and how it digests and 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.840 how it huge your body. So Glasses is to a 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.159 point where he's eating. You know he's making his mills good. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:07.159 You know he not over seasoning, and you know he not. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.120 I think that maybe because the better you eat when 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.080 you eat something like woodies or it kind of messes 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.280 up your stomach now because your stomach is so it's 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.480 it's it's man. When I talk to people about it, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.080 it's kind of like fus like eighty seven, eighty nine 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.320 ninety one, Like you're putting a bunch of ninety one 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.360 in your body and it burns slower and better. But 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.280 if you put that eighty seven in it, it starts, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.280 you know, messing up your car, but worse now because. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:36.360 So so fuel now this is his specialty, this now cars. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.960 I'm a car guy. So the catch with fuel is right, 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.880 is octane is a conversation of more like volatile and 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.360 more like The lower the octane, the more volatile the 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.960 fuel right. And so if you've ever been around people 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.400 that mess with engines and cars, they talk about this 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:56.320 thing called pinging. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.040 You hear people be like, oh his car pinging. I'd 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:00.920 be wondering what does that mean? So it's detonation. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.360 That means the fuel is exploding before it gets to 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.440 the exact point it's supposed to explode. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:06.680 So what makes a. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:12.600 Car run right, is right, it's an internal combustion engine, right, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.000 So it's an explosion happening right between oxygen fuel and 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.360 it's exploding and it's knocking the piston down that turns 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.280 the crank, turns of trans. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.320 That's the whole thing. It's a big old air pump. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.440 The lower the octane eighty seven is more volative, so 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.600 it can be in other places of the engine that's 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.040 just hot in your engine and exploding ninety one it's 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.880 more stable. So like in race cars, like we use 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.040 one hundred octane one ti in octane one hundred eighteen 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.160 octained because it's more stable. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:45.960 Do you feel like that's maybe that could have been 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.240 why your stomach shirt this morning? 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.080 Yeah? For sure. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.760 Okay, not even a question, But I mean I don't 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.120 regret it, like you know at the end of the day, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.880 like I make enough sacrifices to where I'm not really 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:03.040 worried about it. I'm not really you know, losing my 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.240 mind about it, like it's not no thing like that 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.720 just means I'm not gonna eat nothing today, like I'm a. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.800 So even though I worked out, I'm gonna do this. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.880 I did a cucumber and pineapple fresh juice right with 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.520 a bunch of ginger, and then I'll do a regular 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.880 meal because I know I got energy left over from Saturday. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.600 Sunday, I'll do a regular meal. I won't need it. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.960 Today was my best workout honestly since since we started 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.120 back working my legs and stuff. This was my I'm 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.040 not dying, But I think that is a combo of walking. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.199 You know what I'm saying, Sona, That Sogna that five 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.800 days I did that, Sona, Like that's why your body 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.679 start to crap. It's like, oh, okay, Like, oh I 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.120 need to really get on it, because this means now 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.199 I can focus. Like today I was able to focus 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:51.120 on boxing. I wasn't really tripping off like being tired. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.800 It was like, okay, I'm tired, but okay, I'm good 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.079 but when you don't, when you're not conditioned. Man, you 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.360 trying to focus on how I'm a stand up today. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.080 I was able to listen, take the information. Okay, think 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.160 tell him what I'm trying to do. Tell him, you 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:05.840 know what do you think? 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:06.319 Listen? 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.480 Because my condition and even in a week or two weeks, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.480 it's been two weeks and I'm already better. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:12.800 I agree. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.120 I thought we could have went another round to be 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:16.920 here exactly. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.880 So my so that's eating you know, the fuel, So 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.400 same thing with cars, right, the higher the octane, the 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.800 less volatile. You don't want extremely volatile flu you're fuel 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.640 in your car because all the metal when your engine 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.680 is getting hot. So if it's extremely volatile flu a fuel, 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.160 it'll just explode everywhere. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.679 That's detonation or opinion. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.599 It's exploding places it shouldn't instead of just in that 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.360 specific chamber that it's created for. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:46.720 That's fuel. Gas. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:52.280 I mean food is the same way. Senre's live Lunch 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.000 Hour every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at noon right here 0:10:55.960 --> 0:11:00.320 specific standard time digital soapbot. Click that thumb up like 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.880 this motherfucker me. We do this to support the stream 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:10.040 the No Seilings podcasts. Look below in the YouTube description, Uh, 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.880 we just dropped the episode conversations on storytelling storytellers. 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Look below in the YouTube description you 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.760 can listen to the No Sellings Podcast on Apple Podcasts, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.400 iHeart Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts from The 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.480 No Sellings Podcast executive produced by Charlottagne and God the 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.960 Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeart get this thing going. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.400 So yeah, today was my best workout. There's been a month. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.640 We didn't really get to work out last like thirty 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:55.040 a lot. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:12:00.680 But the walking, yeah, I mean walking and the signer 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:01.760 has really been big. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.560 Why do you think the sign has been so big 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:05.920 for you? 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.280 So I ain't really studied it. I shout out to 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.760 Cam and YB you know, brothers in the nation. They 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.360 put that on my heart, real tough. They was like, yo, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:17.960 you gotta. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.800 Use the signer. You know. They all they do is 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.160 study the body, shout out to the nation. The nation. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:23.040 Don't get enough credit. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.640 People think they're a bunch of brothers running around, so 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.480 I'm crazy. But they really scientists and they study everything, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.040 you know, so they are really paying attention and they 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:37.000 doing a lot of long term study. So the innate 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.280 thing is obviously people think you're sweating out the toxins, 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.720 you know, if everything you eat. Oh, so as I 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.720 start losing that sixty five pounds, right, I realized I 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:51.680 lost weight when I pissed, not when I went to 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.800 the toilet and did a number two and defecated. But 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.440 when I did a piss, I pissed, I would lose weight. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.440 That was like big, That fucked me up. I probably 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.760 weighed myself over the I started this journey, what about 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.120 nine months ago, eight months ago, maybe ten months ago. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.600 This a little bit, but I was I probably weighed 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.240 myself three hundred times in that time. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.240 Just start making more sense to why boxers sweated out 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:19.679 instead of right. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.280 Or high blood pressure, Like all of this shit goes 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.240 into your bloodstream and close it up. Everything is liquid, right, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.400 So then I started looking at congestion different. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.720 So congestion is just bullshit. It's all liquid, right. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.640 It's why when you fact, your body look like a 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.679 bag of water, not a bag of trash. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.839 You know, I mean it be like floppy. I mean, so. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.640 Pissing was big, Like I realized pissing is how you 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.440 really get everything out. That was something I checked myself, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.200 so obviously building on that. And then we talked about 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.160 water too, like water being big on like I used 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.480 to think it was gravity fed, like when you use 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.280 the bathroom, so I drink So now you know I've 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.160 been drinking a gallon of water, crazy. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.200 Like, well things must come out kind of thing, or well, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.000 I'm thinking, you know you're drinking it, so it's just 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:10.400 pushing it. 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:17.040 Nah, it gotta be like electronics, Like your body is current. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.880 It's making your body. It's like it's almost like that 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.800 movie like the Matrix, where all of the stuff is currents. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.440 It's like it's electrical currents for your body, and that's 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.000 what's making your body correctly performed. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.880 So I don't think it's just gravity fed of drinking. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.240 Water as much as could be that, but it's also 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.040 this ship is making your colon work. Push ship down, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.320 it's giving it the energy to keep working correctly or. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.400 Efficiently, right, efficiently. That's the way for me. So water 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.880 became the centerpiece and then pissing. So will water be 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.120 like oil to a car? 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.880 No, because water is water because water in the car Okay, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.520 through the engine, yo you water? 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.840 Okay, water is water. Okay, blood is more like oil, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:08.360 you see me. 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.880 But water water period to the earth, everything, everything around 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.480 this what fucking water. But so I think the sign 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.480 to his point, because I think the SIGNA is like, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.200 I think it's definitely pushing shit out, so whatever is 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.320 at the top of it, you know. I mean I 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.200 think that's why they said your skin go bad and 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.520 different stuff, right, because it. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.920 Starts to reveal whatever is going on in your body. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.360 So toxins get stuck. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.720 So water so drinking water, and then the SIGNA immediately 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.400 starts taking everything out, opens up your pores and every every. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:46.400 Side started coming out. But also it raises your heart rate, right, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.160 it raises your heart rate. That's another thing. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.280 Like and I remember coming out to sign I had 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.800 walked two miles and then I went to the sauna. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.240 Man I thought I was finna die. I stayed there 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:58.920 like it was right back to back. I stayed there 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.360 for thirty minutes. But when I came out that signing 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.880 and then I stand up for the whole thirty minutes, 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.160 so you know, it's extra hot. And I came out 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.480 that motherfucker. I laid my back on that chair, say back. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.840 I could feel my heart beat out the damn back 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.040 out of my back. That's how bad it was. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.640 H Yeah, I felt the same way first time I 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.040 went to the first time went to sign up partly 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.280 like two years ago, somebody got me on this sign 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.480 of tip too. I went in there, I came out, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.640 my heart was racing. I felt like I felt busy, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.760 a little bit worked out. Yeah, I was like, what's that? Yeah, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.400 but uh, you gotta get're getting me back in this 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:32.840 signer too. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.840 I gotta get back in this. Can't be going to 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.520 that motherfucker going to King. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:37.800 Yeah. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.560 How do you feel when you're going there? Oh man, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:41.880 it's a peaceful thing. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.320 And I work on my breathing, you know, I work 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.480 on my breathing because I wanted to get that heat 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.360 into my lungs, you know, and burn what's in there. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.320 Too, and so I work on my breathing in there. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.200 You'll have an area where you're sitting, y'all. Try to 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:57.600 get closer to the heat. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.760 Yeah, that's make it up on top, or if I 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.760 have to stand, I try to stand right by the heat. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.879 You got those door openers opening the door every two seconds. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.280 Sometimes it's welcome. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.320 Fucking asshole. And this motherfucker pouring water on the stones. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.520 Man almost cuts this little man out, dog like you 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.720 know this gas and electricity. This ain't no motherfucking you, 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.560 not in no old bath house in the nineteen twenties. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.800 Nigga. You know, like you how you pour water on 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:28.119 the phone. No, I've seen this. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:33.240 No, that is not what that is. Hookah, nigga's letting 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:33.959 off of gas. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:39.000 Nigga kill usselfing the killing, y'all. It's haack sometimes too. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.439 No, that's sign that's tying to give your workout. They 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.400 don't give you the They don't give you the workout. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:45.080 Like the muscle. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.919 You know, whatever working out does the muscles, what it does, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:52.840 It flexes the tenders and stuff for every other part. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.919 The heart rate, it's like internal workout. It's like a 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:02.000 respiratory thing. And that's another thing they associate with that. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.760 Shout out to name bron yup, I only drank springwater. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.320 You want to go to the sauna and breathe it 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.200 in and to help you, you know, come over cold. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.240 I drank one of these every day. Plus right, it's 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.359 a spring water. That's that's what the nae you swear 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:22.359 aby the spring water shout out. Shout out to Israel, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.800 what's happening to playboy? He said, don't over exhaust yourself. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.480 Ge I did it once and almost passed out. That 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.160 was that day. That was that day, Ezy. I came 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.640 out that motherfucking dog. Shout out to the lunch table. Man, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.840 everybody at the lunch table, forgive me. I know I've 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.800 been on this cold. Rank Cors Fats Les Diamond, what's up? 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.280 Money? Was haddening? Squish? Thank you for moderating roughians fast? 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:44.600 What up? 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:45.240 Cup Brand? 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:45.880 No cut? 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.760 What up? D T Tree? What's the deal being? What's up? Bro? Marcus? 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:51.320 What's the deal? 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:51.720 Mick? 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.200 What's haddening in this thing? 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:53.560 Cooking? 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:53.840 Right? 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:55.360 Uh? 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:56.560 Gino? What up for? Gee? 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:57.800 I gotta do your song this week? 0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:59.000 Right? What up? So? 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:00.760 And I man? 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:01.040 Is he? 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.400 I got that motherfucker dog I came out that ship, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:05.679 I was I had. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:06.320 To sit down. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.400 Past I was like, holy shit. And then the next 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.040 day I went and did it again. I don't know why, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.960 but I was way better. So, but that's another thing, King, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.600 I wanted to make sure I caught that breathing. Another 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.760 way you lose weight is breathing too. It's healing. So 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.639 like I've been practicing on breathing a lot, more walking, boxing, shina. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.439 That's what I focus on is just breathing, good breaths 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.560 and shit. So it's been a it's been fun. Man, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.560 It's it's it's a challenge, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.520 It's something to see, it's something to see. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.840 Health is you know something that I think we're starting 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.399 to lack of respect of is our health. You know, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.760 we're taking it for granted that we just walk around 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.640 and do what we do, you know, really look at 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:56.400 ourselves and longevity. 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:57.879 I don't think shout out. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.720 To V I don't need no sign. I live in Arizona, 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:05.760 W twelve sona yeah outside son, but no. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:06.160 Yeah. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.800 So that that was a trick like that, and that's 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.600 all and that's all I've really been doing. So Yeah, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.720 that that's the trick with food. Food is the fuel. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.399 So it's like today, because I'm I still got extra 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:17.680 fuel from that barbecue. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.160 I only need a bunch of stuff. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.639 I probably do something simple like a like a regular dinner, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.080 like a three go whip. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:24.600 Up something cool. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.040 I mean, but this juice is all I really needed, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.119 you know what I mean? And this is the cucumber 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:30.639 and pineapple. Just do a good thing for you. 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.159 You still get hunger pains now or do you started 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.440 getting those calm down where you don't experience those no more? 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:42.920 So if I try to eat four hundred calories or 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:44.000 something outside, I'm going. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:49.120 To be starving at the end of the night. Burst 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.200 one hundred one slow. 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:55.120 Yeah. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.520 Real food at home is like one hundred and twelve 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.520 octane two octane, like you know West Gas. 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.520 I think in the West Gas they call it nice. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.600 Outside Gas, they're like one two our team. Man. That's 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:06.800 at home food. Man. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.840 I could I can make myself two thousand chicken some 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.359 vegetables and eat a fucking apple and I probably can 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.320 go seventy two hours without eating. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.400 But if you really think about it, that's what we 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.840 used to do. That's what they say. They swear about it. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.920 Yeah, So it's like, feel me like that shit crazy. 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.600 I eat a fucking double double for windies, all that shit, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:36.280 and that ship like eighty five coming, it's going just 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.720 swallowing it, exploding everywhere. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.280 That ship. You don't get nothing. Man. 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.359 I eat that ship at three because I eat dinner 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.480 at three. I eat that shit at three. At eight 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.080 nine o'clock, I'm starving. I'm finna go destroy all the 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:56.680 chip so then I'm a compound of dumb ship by 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:01.080 eating some more bush shit, all the chips, me everything, 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.840 because now I'm just trying to cure whatever. So I 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.040 think something in the food out you know whatever maybe 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.720 is industrial food or how they bind it. I think 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.760 it lacks in carbs or mineral excuse me, and minerals 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.399 and envitamins. Something is missing in there, because that's all hunger. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:17.880 Gotta be right. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.320 It's your body is calling for minerals vitamins to power itself. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.680 So even if I go get a thousand calorie or 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.040 twelve hundred calorie big mac meals something about that shit 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.639 is like eighty five or eighty three octane. That shit 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:39.280 is fucked up, fucked up like I'll be. I'm talking 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:44.880 about starving like like like, like I have an eight starving. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.359 And the good thing that you got going on for 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.919 yourself right now is that you understand your body. You 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.600 understanding what time you can eat and what you can 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.199 eat to maintain your day whatever you got going on. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:56.040 So that's a good thing. 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.760 A lot of people got to really start trying to 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.080 understand their own bodies because everybody ain't the same. Like 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.919 everybody think I'm able to eat at three and I'm 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.760 gonna be like everybody got to understand how they body works. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:09.520 So that's a good thing. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.119 Going you know, I'm going on on seven years, Vegan, 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:14.440 I know. 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.520 You remember he was telling me that shit crazy. 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.480 Do you feel a big difference with that six yeah? 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.439 Like so, yeah, a huge difference. 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.639 One of the biggest differences that I don't think is 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:29.200 spoken about is I haven't been sick in at least 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.400 six years, like not even a common cold, Like anytime 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.280 I feel like a symptom of anything, you know, how 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.600 you feel it the night before, I like, damn, feel hot, 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.879 I feel like, you know, scratchy, and I'll just go 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.160 to sleep. I don't take no medicine or nothing. I'll 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:45.840 just literally go to sleep when I wake up and 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:50.120 I'm completely normal. So that's a huge thing. But obviously 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.600 I didn't realize that was going to happen early on 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.800 when I first did it. But the biggest difference that 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.240 I saw at the beginning was I went vegan. When 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.040 I was in I heard my foot boxing and I 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.879 was out, like I didn't know what it was. I 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.320 kept going on the doctors and stuff like that, so 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.719 I couldn't work out at all. I went vegan, and 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:16.080 in ninety days I lost thirty pounds zero cardio damn. 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.480 And I'm like, damn. So so that part I was like, 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:22.919 so I just had like it started to kind of like, 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.920 you know, the whole thought process of of what could 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.199 be possible, like just hanging around for thirty you know, 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.440 ninety days, I'm not working out to work it off. 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.520 I just stopped. I just changed my eating average. 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:35.760 Hey six, let me ask you. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.000 I got two questions for you, because I've always thought 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.480 about going vegan. But the things that kind of make 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.800 me nervous when I when I talk to friends or 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:48.040 I read up on it, energy level and being able 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:49.240 to keep muscle mass. 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:50.240 Great quest. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.400 Do you find any difficulties with either one of those? 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.679 So what I didn't know because it was a it 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.320 was and still is pretty solo journey of mine. So 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.159 what I didn't know the beginning is you have to 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.720 take B twelve when you're vegan. If you don't, you're 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.399 gonna be sleep all the time. So I feel myself, like, 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.879 you know, a month or two in, I was just like, 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.439 now I'm more tired. I'm tired all the time. And 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.240 then reached out to one of my friends and he's like, 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:20.200 you're taking B twelve. I'm like, na, he was like, 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.280 you gotta take that or so energy levels are normal. 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.160 I feel normal as long as I'm doing that. As 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:29.640 long as you take Yeah, if I slack off of that, yes, 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.440 it'd be kind of kind of crazy. But in terms 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:38.800 of like yeah, muscle mass, like you still there's there's 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.480 so many different ways, like the protein and stuff like 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.200 that is it seems pretty normal to me, like drinking 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.040 protein shakes or you know what I mean, being any 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.520 type of lentils and stuff like that. It was kind 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.199 of like part of normalcy for me. So you can 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.240 still you know, I got a boy who's been vegan 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:59.280 probably fifteen years now, and you know, he modeled like 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:02.120 a Nike sports Modeo. So he looks like an athlete. 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.400 So it's not hard. It's not hard to do it. 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.080 It's more about figuring it all out at the beginning. 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.280 But I didn't have a lot of people to lean on. 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.400 But now I try to at least be that voice. 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.199 And I'm not the person that tries to push it 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.840 on people. It's like, if somebody so happens to start 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.360 it and they got questions, I'm gonna help them. 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.080 But I'm I'm not the preachy vegan, you know what 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.399 I mean. Yeah, man, some some some people that are vegan, 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.800 they like Joe Witnesses, They they on you. 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.240 Yeah, man, you think you can go vegan, you think 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.879 you ve I went So I didn't go for a vegan. 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:39.400 I went like I went vegan for almost a year, 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:40.760 you know, no more double double. 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.439 What happened was like I would get cold, like I like, 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.359 I couldn't figure out the iron part of it. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:50.679 It was. It was fun though, it was. 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.000 A different experience and made me eat all kinds of foods. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:54.840 And then I wasn't getting like a bunch of the 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:55.440 fake food. 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.320 I didn't get the chick the strips. That's the worst 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.199 vegan burgers, Like I kind of stayed away from that. 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.480 I said, And that's another thing. What does that ship 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:04.360 taste like? 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:05.200 Like the same ship? 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:05.920 You think? 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:10.720 So, yes, it because it's seasoning. It's really seasoning that 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:12.800 give us the flavors, so they make it taste it. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.960 So you think you need a vegan double double, I've. 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.159 Had one, you vegan double. I had a vegan. So 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.600 when I was doing that vegan for a year. By 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.960 the end of the year, like you have to have time. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.480 That's another thing, like you gotta make some time because 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.840 you're gonna have to cook. But when you would be rushing, 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.240 I would go get a vegan from cross your ship. 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.919 It tastes the same real Yeah, that's what scared me. 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:34.960 I was like, I can't do this. 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.840 You got that like in moderation because the replacement foods 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:43.000 could be just as bad as. 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.600 The regular ship. So okay, yeah, I got your At the. 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.680 End of the day, so I go to Burger can't 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:53.240 get an impossible burger every day, that's the Yeah, it'll 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.600 be like going to Burger King and a whopper every day. Yeah, 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:56.240 and it is. 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:57.080 Probably better. 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:02.680 If you like one of those super duper vegans. It's 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.240 like cross contamination, like I don't want my broker. They're 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.720 not kicking it on a separate stove. So shout out 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.199 to Don d nutrient deficiency. That's that's exactly what it is. 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.840 I think when they fast whole foods are nutrient dish. 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.760 That makes sense. Don shout out to Diamond bad photography. 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.040 I ate oreos before the stream, and now I feel 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:26.560 like a piece. Okay, that's not what the point. I'm 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:26.960 not saying. 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.160 Oreos are vegans, so don't don't feel so good. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.320 Hey, hey, hey, like my man said, what you say, 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.960 Nation said shame that Oh no. 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:37.920 That's shame to change. 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.280 That's an unconscious same because he's feeling shame even though 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.680 we're not shaming like I'm we're just talking about. 0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.400 That's a subconscious like I said, subconscious shame. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.720 Hey, just because you're talking about it, Shout out to 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.600 fact it's barely real protein and carbs. 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.120 It's ninety eight percent binders. That would make sense. We 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.200 gotta get back to shame. 0:28:55.600 --> 0:29:00.840 Shout out to Lex y'all talking die it's super important. 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.880 But what about activities? How are you improving in that 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.560 area that just come with the territory like we do 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.920 a bunch of activities, but the diet is eighty percent 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:08.480 of everything. 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.000 Yeah, people think that working out is the main thing 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:11.800 that you should be doing. 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.080 Number one is diet, diet, and mental. 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.719 To ask your question, culture, let me talking about how 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:22.160 you feel about tension and resistance instead of just regular workout. 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.920 Actually, you know what, as you get older, I think 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:27.480 that comes becomes better on the joints. 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.360 So yeah, that's what I'm starting to do now instead 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.080 of just trying to go free weights and all of them, 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.440 I'm trying to get. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.240 It's a lot better on your joints when you start 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.960 getting older. So I would like older older clients, I 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:42.000 kind of have them doing more resistance bands and things 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.800 of that nature then just going straight hardcore lift weightlifting. 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:46.200 But you know, a lot of males they want to 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.600 lift weights, you know, so when you bring the resistance band, 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.760 they like, what is that resistance? 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:52.600 They think? 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:57.440 I'm like to Black October. It's all process. It doesn't 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.600 have any five in its, so it doesn't fee your system. 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:00.560 Makes sense. 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.040 Shout out to Lex that's scary losing thirty pairs without 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:06.720 the use of cardio. 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.600 Shit, Lex, I lost fifty you really? 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.320 Okay, Look, don't look at it that way, right, look 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.400 at it like energy, right, Like calories are a metric 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:22.680 for energy, right, that's the trick, right, So what's fat 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:29.520 is just misplaced stored energy. Right, So when you lose weight, 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.600 you're supposed to lose weight. You don't really need to 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.440 work out to use the energy. Like you get up 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:39.360 every day and live life and use energy. Right, so 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.160 you're supposed to start making your body find the energy 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.000 that's stored or misplaced. 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.520 That's what losing weight. 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.320 Is, right they what they call it, like a calorie 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:49.200 deficit or something. 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:50.760 Yeah, that's all it is. 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:55.440 Instead of yeah, giving yourself more energy, right, you you 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.840 taking less energy. So your body needs to use the 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.000 energy stored to operate in this daily function. 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:03.600 Does that make sense? 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.239 Yeah? And for me it was not scary, but it 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.040 was eye opening to lose the thirty pounds and I 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.360 wasn't working out because that just told me, like, I'm 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.040 storing food at this point. Like I just changed literally 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.360 one thing for ninety days and it kept me on 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:22.160 track after that. 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.600 Yeah, that's for me. That's how it is. 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:24.920 How you. 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.640 Yeah, I eat one time of day, I eat one 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:29.120 time of day. 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.800 I just eat a protein vegetable and the fruit that's 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.160 the whole meal. What's your portion looking like like a 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:36.600 I'm really. 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.080 Trying to take in less than four hundred and fifty 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.760 calories And I kind of have a mental mind of 0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.440 exactly everything that everything that I'm meaning, Like I've been 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.360 doing it long enough now to have a good idea. 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.160 So it's simple, but something that's really important about it. 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:56.320 And I'm gonna ask you and and six about this. Uh, 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.760 do you feel like when you change your diets you 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:04.360 got more clarity mentally? Like like it's just sharper one. 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:06.640 I was gonna bring that up when y'all was done 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:10.280 with that point. The mental parity is another level. 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.680 Yeah, every Friday, I used to go forty eight hours 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.800 without eating, Like That's how I got to the point, 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.880 Like I used to go forty eight hours and then 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.880 Ham started kind of challenged me. Then once a month 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:23.880 for like three months, state I was going once a month, 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.280 I would go seventy two hours without eating. Like if 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.040 it was like if I needed to do something, if 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:30.400 I didn't have the energy, I would just get a 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.960 juice like fresh a fresh juice like freshm shit, put 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:39.040 together some spinach, kale, pineapple, some shit just aw juice. 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:41.760 So it really. 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.920 It really make everything. You're not really supposed to have 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.880 to work out to lose weight. You're supposed to work 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:54.000 out to actually like make your blood flow and your 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:54.880 heart work better. 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.800 Working out really is supposed to be for a purpose. 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.000 Like if you if I'm working out, I'm trying to 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.040 get muscles or I'm trying to be stronger or faster, 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.080 that's what you really suppoed to be working out to 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.719 be stronger, faster, gain muscle, but to lose weight. If 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.560 you just ate properly, you will lose and just go 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.520 through your every day. I mean, you know some people 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.320 just ain't doing shit shit, but you know, but if 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.200 you just go through your every day and eat properly, 0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.200 you'll you'll maintain a decent weight that you know, the 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:23.560 weight your body's supposed to be at. 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.360 I would be really fat if I if I wasn't 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.040 vegan right now, because even right now, I was saying, 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.640 the last like two months, I've been like an unhealthy vegan, 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.120 just eating processed ship and chilling and making beats. And 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.040 you know, it's not basketball season, so I ain't in 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.760 the gym moving around every day but if I wasn't 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.920 like somewhat you know where I am, but yeah, I 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640 would have, I'd probably be like, hell, a big from 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.160 my height wouldn't be cool at all. 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.760 Shout out to Tree. I'll be using coffee to cheat 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.400 the nash you swear by coffee. So what are the 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:55.160 benefits like? 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.080 Because I just start drinking mushroom coffee in the morning 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.080 for my digestives my entire that's. 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.600 On that same list as alcohol, any type of alcohol, 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:04.400 any type of drugs. 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:05.600 Coffee. See that's me. 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.840 I just was my first cup of coffee in forty 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.560 years because I'm like you, like, I don't I'm not 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:13.760 putting anything in my body. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.359 I think that I wasn't thinking that I knew I was. Yeah, 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.680 I never thought about not doing drugs. I never like 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.560 made a pack like I wasn't gonna drink or do 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:22.680 drugs or drink coffee. 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:23.279 I just never have. 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.080 If I've seen somebody get hooked to something, I like, 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.399 I'm not using that shit. And I've seen too many 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.120 people be man, come on, you've seen that starbreack line 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.480 be cracking like you like, what is happening over there? 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:35.880 Like what they got going on over there? Back in 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:37.440 the day, everybody drank coffee. 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.960 Teachers and shit, regular people like your parents going to 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.000 work drink coffee. 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:43.440 Teachers drink coffee. 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.319 Now I know people younger than me, like I know 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.759 some people that's like seventeen. 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.160 They drink coffee every. 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.040 Day, every day. I see it at the high school level. 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:56.440 So you write Starbucks creating like a trap. Yeah, I'm not. 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.440 I don't want no parts of that. 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.560 So I yeah, somebody talking about people when when when 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:04.280 you wake up talking about I gotta get my coffee 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.000 for nah, I was like, I don't want none of that. 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:07.239 I don't want to be a part of that. 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.440 Whatever that ship is, coffee is. Coffee is like a fruit. 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:17.080 Whoa look it up. I don't know, look at it 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.120 to see, like, look up coffee. 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.040 I'm not doubt you. I have no idea. I never 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.600 I never didn't every morning. No I don't. 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:29.600 I don't drink coffee. I never got into coffee. But 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.200 now that I think about it, it is like it 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:33.239 is like a trap house. 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:35.440 It is like a trap. 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.160 One of my favorite go to like white beans is 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:44.440 my ship too, white beans, White navy beans, Yeah, white 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:45.759 navy beans. 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.040 Little navy beans is my ship. That, like, I make 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:48.840 some navy beans. 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:54.560 That motherfucking meal go a long way, fucking a bowl 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.080 of white navy beans, nothing else. I think in general, 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.399 bowl of white navy beans every day for a week 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:01.400 and won't get tired. 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.319 And I could just eat that by myself with some 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.799 fruit and be a one. I probably could do black 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.520 beans like that. Yeah I like black beans. Yeah, I 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.400 probably do black beans like that, straight white navy beans. 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:13.920 It was fire every day. 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.239 So I wanted to talk about something. We didn't talk 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.279 about this shit this whole time, which is cool because 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.799 that's the whole point of doing this, is the information. 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.640 But I was talking to Joey today right shout out 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.600 the West Shide. Happy birthday again to my nigga west 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:29.399 Side man. I gotta go get him something or send 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.680 me some money or something to get some gas or something. 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:33.960 Grown. 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.319 Yeah, sitting mahnda, have your birthday, nigga, send a nigga 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:38.240 hun real quick. 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:42.120 Today. 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.880 And I was going to get some paint for the 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.200 I need to paint the uh the things for the 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:50.480 music video we're shooting two weeks right something like, I 0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:55.040 need to paint the props. And I was at the 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:56.719 paint shop and I was ordered some paint and I 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.600 was just thinking about how stressed now I'm not stressed 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.000 right now. I think this is because of like we're 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.399 talking about this sign of working out walking, So I'm 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.440 not stressed normally. Like a year ago, I'd have been 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:09.239 stressed the fuck out. 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:11.799 It's two weeks. It's a lot to put together. But 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:12.600 because I've. 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:14.400 Been eating a certain way and everything, I think I 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.960 see it a little bit more clear. I'm able to 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.680 dictate to people want that want to help me more. 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:22.920 I'm starting to figure out the right people to be 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.239 in my cipher, you know what I mean to help. 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:31.200 So I'm telling Joey I realized why rappers don't really 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.839 get paid that way in his business. 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:35.840 I was telling him and Don dubbed that. 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.359 I'm like, say that way, what you mean, Like, if 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.160 it's twenty million dollars, a rapper probably only deserves two 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:42.520 hundred thousand dollars at best. 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.080 And I was saying, I'm like, it's not no real work. 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.040 And Joey was telling me, he was like, man, g 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.080 you tripping look like nigga. 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:52.640 This shit work. And I'm like, no, it's not. 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.680 And I get to Don thought I was tripping, and 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.680 I get it because we on the artist side to 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.120 a degree, right, we are artists. But when I tell 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:08.760 you the sheer work it takes to actually make something happen, 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.080 you know what I mean, The sheer thought that it 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:19.240 takes to make something happen is crazy. To to present 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.040 it to people, to make it digestible, to make people 0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:27.480 want to digest it is in fuckingsane like marketing, right. 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.560 So it's one thing to produce a song, right, to 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.080 produce it and bring finish the production right. Shout out 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.080 to Jason Joshua Mohamie. Jason is mixing for me. Jason 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.640 one of the best mixtures in the world. But I'm 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.480 one of the earliest people that gave him a budget 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.880 to mix, so he's looking out. He knocking it out, 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.120 making it beat Me and a couple homies made it. 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.480 Shout out to Ep, who just came back from a 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:51.160 successful tour with Gang. He worked on it. Shout out 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.200 to my homeboy Hunger. You know what I mean, we 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:57.200 created the bones of it. Shout out to the different 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.120 people that made it be a dope record. That's easy, 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.279 that was like easy, even a scratch. Out out to 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.399 the Homy that scratched on the sacks and his homy 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.000 dazzy d they scratched on it. 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:11.080 I pretty much got it all the way together. We 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:15.120 did it all together. That shit easy. This marketing and 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.319 shit is hard. 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:24.879 Like, man, you gotta think about so many different things 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.600 every toe, Like I gotta go to the venue tomorrow, 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:30.920 right for the video, right, I gotta go look at it. 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.360 I gotta count all of this shit is crazy. 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:35.840 Okay, let me ask you a question. Gee, do you 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:36.760 think it's easy? 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.239 All the other stuff is easy because that you know 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:41.839 how to do it and it's in your wheelhouse and 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.279 you love it. And then the marketing is something that 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:48.120 you just really starting to work on and understand because 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.080 when you were naming all the shit, y'all just did 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.400 y'all did. I'm sitting here like, that's just hard to me. 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:56.600 I think making a record. 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:57.040 Does, has it? 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.200 You gotta know a little bit about records to make 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:00.880 a record up and get a record. 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.160 You can look up and get a record, for sure, but. 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.320 To consistently make really good records that people can digest 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.040 and you can hear the quality off of them. Yeah, 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.120 it takes some skills, that's true. You do have to 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.239 learn some stuff. I could have been doing marketing for 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.319 twenty years. It's gonna be hard, you think, so fuck yeah, 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:19.200 And it's simple. 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.399 You put me and King in there and say, hey, 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.680 go make a song hit guys. I don't think we 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.399 but yeah, because you started from zero. With the right 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.400 market then though, and the right projected we could so somebody. 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:39.120 That's a great point. I could take somebody who don't 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.919 know nothing about music. 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:43.440 And make a hit record. 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.320 So you think you could take somebody zero make a 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.040 hit record with somebody, I could take a niggat. 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.279 Zero to go at this point in my career where 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.400 I know it's just take the money though, right, just 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:56.279 take the money, taking a. 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.400 Lot of money. Yeah, but I know exactly what to 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:00.799 do zero to gold. 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:08.440 He ain't got no longevity though, zero chance. 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.080 Unless unless like TLC, where I'm just making all the money. 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.960 Okay, so it's like you keep on going them doing 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:17.960 it theyself, No no chance. But for sure I could 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.720 do that. The problem is there is no fucking artist 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.120 that's a great artist, whether that don't know how to market, 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:25.960 that could take a. 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:27.080 Song from zero to gold. 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.879 I'm so you could find the best record maker as 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.360 Jermaine du Pre cut this part out out of the 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.920 live here. I'm gonna give y'all chances to screen record 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.080 this for the live screen record this start. I'm gonna 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.920 give y'all five seconds so you can scream record this 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.520 and then y'all send it. Tweet this to Jermaine Dupre mark. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.920 Tweet this to Jermaine Dupre and see if you agree 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:51.520 with me. As Jermaine do prix, could he create a 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.000 hit record and without nobody that knows how to market 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:56.080 would it go go? 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:02.440 So? No mark? Bad marketing, but good record, incredible record, 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:07.120 incredible record, bad marketing impossible, impossible, I say, I dig 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:08.319 it impossible. 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.640 You saying in every era or this era, in. 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:15.160 Any era in history, you could pick an era, it's 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.400 going to be virtually impossible for a great record with 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:18.440 no marketing to go go. 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.880 But I've heard a lot of bad records or decent 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.280 records go go with great marketing. 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:31.920 I agree. I agree still now man, right now? Yeah, yeah, 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.959 I agree one hundred percent. I think my only question 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.440 is that is the longevity of it. 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.040 No, so the artist is not gonna have a long joby, 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:40.960 because you would need somebody else working on the song. 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.319 But that's also why that artist is not. It's like 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.960 with TLC. When artists come into business, you hear the 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.400 stories the horse Tale, shout out to TLC, shout out 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.040 to T Box, Chili, Recipeace Left. 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.200 You hear stories, oh man, they didn't get paid a 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.040 lot of money, or you hear stories of new addition. 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.359 Oh they didn't make that much money because everybody else 0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.759 was doing the damn work. But we're not saying they 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:04.360 didn't have talent though, right, you definitely had talent. Talent 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:10.440 they Why are you looking in the air thinking about this, 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:15.000 like just say, no, they're not. They was good. What 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:16.120 the hold hold them? Now? 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:16.640 Man? 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:21.439 Why are we had talent? They just couldn't sing, that's 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:21.880 the problem. 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.520 So that's what and and and six No exactly, Okay, 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:32.480 all knew exactly that was crazy because they can't sing. Okay, 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.040 So I'm like, yes and no. 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.719 So their talent was they were like they had to 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:42.920 look they looked a certain way because it's not their fashion, 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.480 Like that's that's the Jermaine Duprix and and that whole 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.479 everybody who was it was pebbles, that whole baby face, 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.520 that whole machine that was over there, that what would 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.200 be considered part of the face machine. 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:59.799 They that was their imaging left left direct. Yeah, what's 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:06.319 that man? Right now? Yeah? Stinks was going left our rap? Six? Okay, Yeah, 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:08.640 you're just looking. 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:12.560 I don't like talking about people that ain't here. 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.319 This lady passed away, that's not oh wow, okay. 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.920 So but I'm saying, so when you happen to have talent, 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.480 I'm like, I'm trying. I'm going down the list of 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.319 things that they had talent about because they wasn't like 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:28.680 great writers, right, They wasn't like great. 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:33.200 Dancers, like you know what I'm saying. 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:39.279 Like the singing somebody else's songs, Yeah, that was They 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.520 was singing other people's music. 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:43.200 They used their vocals. 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.920 But then the producer, the person making the record also 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.120 was doing a number. 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:54.480 Like that was a real team effort. Remember now, Mike 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:59.000 Luther Vandross Well he was so hold up, no, no, 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.440 because I don't want make because I have to be 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:09.399 have I ever just just respected. I just also don't 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.399 want to lie to six. You're gonna be a part 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:11.560 of it. 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:12.920 I'm here, I'll be here for that. 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.120 I just don't want to lie to I don't want 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.319 to lie. So I'm trying to figure out how to 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:19.759 phrase it. 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:25.000 Ke Ball don't sing better than Milly and Vanilli couldn't sing. 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:31.960 They were terrible. I never heard them sing. Yeah, key 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.120 Boss down better than both of them. Her voice is 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:35.759 just unique enough to be better than theirs. 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:38.040 The reason they got caught up is because they were 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.480 doing the live performance. You remember the story, They're doing 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:45.360 a live performance and the music went out, so everybody 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.279 was like, okay, cool, like keep just keep the show going, 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:50.480 and they like, they got caught. 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:53.839 On camera, like y'all can look it up. 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.480 No, I saw the ship in. 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.480 The interview one day. Just start and they in a 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.279 in a in a people made them start singing. They're like, 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.279 all right, okay, thank you. 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.440 I'm not I'm not saying they're not nowhere many I 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.879 don't even know enough about Like I wouldn't even I've 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:14.360 never even like million songs with the other people right now, okay, 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.400 quick question, I wouldn't have thought they was talented. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.719 So do you think that TLC? Do you think t 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.080 C are one of the grow greatest girl groups of 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.960 all time? And do you think it's becose talent and 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:28.960 marketing or just more talent and more marketing. 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.040 More marketing, way more marketing. 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.399 How you feel about their talent coach because you I'm 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:36.799 not about to get up in that at all. 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:41.680 I'm let Glasses and six do that part because it's 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:45.680 not fair. I'm gonna let you. 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.920 You think about it like especially then like artist development, 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:55.640 creating a look for them, all of that is part 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:56.200 of the marketing. 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:57.919 Elijah Lee the same. 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.040 No Leah was okay, she was, she was cool, she 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.000 used to get busy. She was a little bit mortality. 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.560 She was mortality rather But but that's. 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:08.040 The prime example. 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:13.480 Look how large TLC's career was comparatively allan career was popping. 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.640 But TLC is like fucking huge. But that's also, like 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.680 I tell you all the time, it's not about talent, y'all. 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.359 When y'all be looking at me crazy, I'm like, people 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.200 don't know talent, they don't know a good record. 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.200 I keep telling you that they don't know what's good. 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.239 All they know is this is the finished product. That's 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.120 what they know. This is the finished product. 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.960 So you don't think that after the finished After the 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.799 product is finished, the fans don't tell you if it's 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:38.120 good or not. 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.799 So you so you think the marketing. 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:44.680 Tells us if it's good box seventy eight, Okay, So 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.400 then why do we not? Why do people with no 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.960 talent don't have no longevity? 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:50.800 They do. 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:58.080 Sometimes there's a lot of people that batality. Talent is subjective, right, 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:00.520 Like that great. 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.959 Songs and he had great songs. Talent. 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.640 Talent may have not been singing. He was like he 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.399 was a really good songwriter. H And people don't talk 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:15.880 about that and his ability to deliver over the songs. 0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.600 So what's somebody talent is a lot different than somebody 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:20.680 else being talented. 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.040 And I think that has to go with also the 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:24.200 way they delivered the music. 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:28.480 They didn't deliver that Meah, they wouldn't. 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.000 It was his talent. I wouldn't be able to tell 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:35.920 you quite what TLC talent is. I know that's up. 0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:41.239 I'm just being honest. I'm I don't know. He just 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:43.720 kept pushing it. No, I don't know their talent. 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.000 Tomorrow tomorrow episode? 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:53.279 Have I ever DIDLC? You're doing that. 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.080 That right, coach? 0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:58.880 Do that to you? 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:00.799 I just didn't write there. 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.239 I just don't know what their talents was, is what 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:03.719 I'm saying. 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.440 They had, they had, they had just enough of everything. 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:13.399 I agree they had They had a little bit of everything. Man, yeah, 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.440 a little bit. They could dance a little bit, they 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:18.680 had to. That swag was theirs. You think that swag 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.759 was marketed. I think I think t C was was 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:22.840 probably the most. 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.879 You just don't know what went into making that girl group. 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.240 So you think that when they did their interviews and stuff, 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:34.040 that their their charisma didn't come out in those interviews 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:34.719 their own cares. 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:37.839 I don't know, man, I just I kind of when 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:39.399 I saw t O C. And I'm a dude. 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.800 When I saw t O C, I was like, I 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.320 was confused. When I saw t OC, I didn't get it. 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.239 I was like, man, they sexy as fuck, but the 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:55.320 talent god, all right, cool. But I'm just saying but 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.400 I also thought that they was was dope, Like as 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.759 far as you know, how they was, how they how 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.680 they how they danced on the today. 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:03.759 Songs, the uh. 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:06.400 But but what but what? 0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:08.759 But I'm just saying that was it. 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.520 I just thought they were, you know, they were tight 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.080 in a guideway though, Like I didn't look at them 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.319 like women when they did when they performed like ship 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:19.279 like a dude, Like I was like, Okay, this is 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:20.920 type for a guy to be doing right now. 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.040 I mean, I'm just being honest now that I know 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:33.120 the business is is Uh yeah, I wouldn't have thought 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.920 of them as talented. That's not what I'm No, I'm 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.040 not saying they don't have talent. I'm telling you they're 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.560 not what I would have thought of as talented. Like 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:43.680 Wenney Houston was talented, but she was marketed. 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.960 With you talking about like a singer talent. 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.760 That's because a singer talent is fucking singing. That should 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:53.560 be your first It's weird when your first talent as 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.000 a singer is not singing. We're in the heroine now 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:59.919 where like we was talking about Oh boy, when try 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.640 trap Ass was talking about him, Uh, what's cousin name? 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:07.400 Oh Frank? I was mad. 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.040 I wouldn't hear for that because y'all y'all disrespected Frank Ocean. 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.560 Like he his talent is righting, his talent is right, 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.839 so he makes and he writes your great songs? Not great? 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:21.040 Why are we doing this great? Frank Ocean makes great songs. 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:25.399 He writes good song. Pyramids is a great song. Never 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:26.480 too Much is a great song. 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:29.480 So sick. 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:35.759 That's because because because because if I start going after 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.879 Marvin Gay, it's gonna get to another level. 0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:45.240 I'm giving you some entry point, like like uh, Nobody 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.920 by Keith Sweat is a great song. Pyramids is not 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:51.040 that good of a song, Like Pyramids is good for today, 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.399 like today's R and B. Frank Ocean is like Marvin Gay, 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:56.880 but in the pantheonicy the history of R and B, 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:59.200 he would have not been able to be in no 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:03.440 era with singers. I could see that his talent is writing, 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.960 but he's also not an incredible writer. Dream is an 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:08.719 incredible writer. 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.760 Dream. Okay, Okay, So with Frank Ocean b the dream 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:13.560 of today. 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:14.759 Hell, No. 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.840 Dream is a six see six. Talk to this motherfucker 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:25.680 talk to today. Okay. 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.360 I think I think my problem with Frank Ochin is 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:32.440 the the quantity of music, Like he needs to put 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:34.799 out more in music. But I think if you put 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:36.920 out more in music, you'll be able to see more 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:38.480 of his talent and you'll be able to see that 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.080 he probably is more Key Sweat than than Dream. 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:43.200 He's not even close to Key Sweat. 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:45.920 You're talking about what. 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.560 I agree he's not. I agree he's not close. And 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.520 that's my problem right now because of the quantity. 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.440 But I'm talking about his first album and as good 0:52:54.440 --> 0:53:00.960 as Keith Sweats first album. True, that's ship crazy is 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:05.080 Kip Sweat, don't he don't Frank Ocean. And that's a 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:11.520 prime example of really great marketing withou probably B minus 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.279 songwriting D plus singing. 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:18.760 You gotta think of like like Sean Garrett Way, Colder 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.239 Pittning and Frank Ocean. And he wrote all the early 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:22.200 Chris Brown stuff. 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.880 Ty dollar Son is a better singer than Frank Ocean. 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:27.920 That's my problem. He's a better writer too. 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:31.520 So I'm glad you brought up Chris Brown. 0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:32.719 So t OC. 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.920 I feel like some people are performers you don't think 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.400 is their performers. 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:42.399 Goes in that performer Brown. 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.960 But so I'm telling you so when we're saying this, 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:49.000 you're asking me right versus marketing artistry, Like I'm going 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.760 to go to talented people that that nigga Chris Brown 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.439 has talent as a performer. 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:55.759 No doubt about yo. 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.279 But I'm coming like a six like six kind of 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.160 a six six is right, I'm gonna like six six 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.000 is TLC got a six in every box though, like 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:08.200 six here, six, they're six there? And when you put 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.759 it all together equal one of the greatest girl groups 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.399 of all time. Okay, except for ten marketing ten though 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.640 marketing ten and then everything else till everything else four 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.200 foorst Why are you going on your way to do that? 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:24.480 Why do you give me six? Why did you say 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:26.279 all right six school we just moved on. Why you 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:27.120 gotta say four? 0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:31.279 Because one, they're not songwriters. As dancers, they're probably a four. 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.320 As singers, they're probably a four. I'm just being honest. 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:36.000 So as sexy, there are nine. 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:41.120 They were. They were beautiful women. I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.839 go ten. Yeah, I'm with that too. That's gonna go ten. 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:49.239 I'm gonna go ten. TLC may hit records. No, no, 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:52.920 they didn't. They didn't make hit records. Somebody else made 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:54.440 them records all the way to. 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.160 Shout out to Trap, who's supposed to be in the 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.520 damn chat with he told me talk about glasses deals 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:06.399 in nostalgia. Dream is not nostalgic. Dream is a great 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:10.000 R and B writer. But that's that's an A plus 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.400 p N with a D minus voice. A D plus voice. 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:17.040 Dream is probably a dream might even be an F voice. 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:22.160 Dream might be the worst d plus man, I don't 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:23.520 think I've heard worst saying. 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:25.960 You might be the hardest critic in the worst like 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:30.920 you f it's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, like f is crazy. 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.239 You've heard the worst singer that's had his records, didn't 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.520 Dreamily Vanilly. I just brought up one Lly. We never 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:40.000 heard their voice. We did. It was bad, it was awesome. 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:43.520 Use that you didn't hear their voice. Ray J, ray 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:47.480 J ray J had the interer the check that ra 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:53.000 dream I don't know. I don't know. Hey, web we 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:58.040 hold on sa no no, no no. He thinks about 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:02.600 to say, yeah, nah, I think right, Ja is a 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:03.400 little better, just. 0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:05.960 A little bit. 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:14.120 Damn, that's right. One of them messing with t Pain though, No, 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:15.960 I agree with that. I agree with that one hundred percent. 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.160 I think Paint got him both beat for sure. The 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:19.720 rage is pretty. 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:23.560 I think can actually really sing. I've heard real singing 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.960 on records with can actually sing. He just got a 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.520 unique But that's my point. So it's like, when we 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:33.360 watch these labels do these incredible jobs with artists, I 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:36.040 think we don't really see it that way, and I 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:38.799 get it. Frank Ocean is a prime example of really 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:43.520 good marketing really again. As a songwriter, I think he's 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:47.359 a B minus B plus how to be plus, how 0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:47.920 to be plus. 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:49.479 Heth Sweat is probably a B plus. 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:54.479 Keith a no because he sings so bad singer, A writer, 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:55.480 A writer. 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:59.319 Yeah, writer? No six? Keep what you think, ke Keth? 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.800 So who's a writer? R Kelly's a writer, Okay, R 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.640 Kelly's an a writer, babyface a writer? Dream is an 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:08.520 a writer? So wait, hold on, you got do you 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:10.040 got dream over? As a writer? 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:10.919 Hen? 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:12.200 Yeah? Dream of bad mother? 0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:15.240 One thing you can't play with that crazy signing motherfucker 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.000 That pen for real? That PN is for real, that 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:21.160 nigga pin for real, for real, for real. 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:23.760 I just said that, Lex. I think Keith Sweat is 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:29.440 a D plus singer. Yeah, D plus. I give him 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.840 D plus maybe C minus pushing it with D plus. 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:34.040 But his his writing skills are so good, and the 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:37.240 and the music. Look, he's still performing that that with 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:39.600 that badass singing. He sings worse now and he's still 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:41.760 out there on stages right now humping. 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.000 And I disagree with you, but but again, I'm also 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.640 being honest with him as a writer versus if I'm 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:49.160 gonna put him in like in. 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.600 The top tier. Neo is a A plus writer. I 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.000 agree with that them is all a's about them. 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:59.760 Babyface is an a uh uh NEOs of a dreams 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.000 about Usher Usher don't really write? 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:10.600 Yeah, j D and j D and and uh what's hommie? 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:10.920 Uh? 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:18.160 Brian Michael Coxon is an A A writers. I'm saying dream. 0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:20.640 I mean, I'm saying Frank Ocean is not that tear. 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:22.800 But if you're calling them A writers, you gotta throw 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:26.840 Keith Sweat up in there. Nah, you gotta throw Keith 0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:31.280 up in there. Keith Sweat made it. He he has 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:34.040 hit records that are going to be all time great 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:36.400 or andb something like if you looked up the top 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:40.360 hundred some songs in there, he's terrible. 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:44.080 I'm not going to disagree with you. I just would 0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:45.960 like to believe an A plus writer could also write 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:46.919 here records for other people. 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:48.920 Sean Garrett is a really good writer. 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:54.000 Too, Okay, the key who has Keith Sweat Roe songs for. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:58.800 I don't know enough of his writing catalog. 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:01.000 Yeah, that's a good. 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:05.240 And who wrote just got Paid? I know that was 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:08.280 originally supposed to be a Keith Sweat song. 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:13.760 What does it sounds like a could be. 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:17.080 I wonder who wrote just got paid? I wonder if 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.840 Key Sweat wrote that. But anyway, the point I'm saying 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:20.320 is is. 0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:23.040 I wonder if Teddy wrote that. 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:24.840 I was about to say Teddy Riley might have wrote 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.680 that song. I don't know for sure, but that's that 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:29.280 really sounded like a Teddy Riley. 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:32.840 So Keith Sweat wrote for. 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:38.520 He wrote for Silk, Drew Hill, what's his biggest record? 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:41.320 For somebody else? See that's what I made? Righty here 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:43.080 for yourself and writy here for somebody else. 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.480 He co wrote Crow wrote freak Me for Silk. Oh 0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:48.600 that's a that's a great that's a great song. Oh wow, 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:51.840 Yeah that's a great song. Yeah, man, stop playing with 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:54.360 keiths Man. That's a great song. Yeah you're right, Okay, 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:55.000 I'm not mad. 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.040 But the other it says. He also co wrote freak 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:01.680 Me for Silk and Extra for Immature. Like they got 1:00:01.720 --> 1:00:03.040 those his biggest records. 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:04.400 That's not bad. 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:06.280 They get him right there, he called. Even if he 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:07.840 ate minus, that's fine because I had him as a 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:08.200 B plus. 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:08.520 Whatever. 1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.120 It's eighty eight percent or ninety one percent, either way, 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:14.120 it's all good. But I'm saying, Frank Ocean ain't ain't 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:15.000 nowhere near there. 1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:18.840 Let's telling Teddy Riley for just got paid? You produced that? 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:23.920 Who wrote it? Tell you to produce it? Johnny and 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:25.040 Jean Griff produced it. 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:29.200 Jingjing was like one of them executives who took credit 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:30.800 for shitt gen ain't real ship. 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:36.120 The regions get righted ship, Jeans get too much that 1:00:36.240 --> 1:00:39.320 degreded for Teddy work all right. Jan was the cold 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:42.000 one of them called execs that get you with that money. 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:46.200 Like we wrote it, Johnny Kemp, You're a writer. 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:51.160 New York, New York. 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:54.720 He was the coldest industry gangsters in the world, like 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:58.080 people talk about Shugar, like the New York industry gangsters 1:00:58.360 --> 1:00:59.440 are the best stories. 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.120 They can make a fucking TV show about the motherfuckers. 1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:03.560 Jean was the real Big Red. 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:07.200 Jean was the real deal though the song right just 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:11.840 Jean got credit on Bobby Brown's second album Nothing Ain't. 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:16.760 Real Ship Big Red he uh oh man, Big was food. 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:18.880 But Bobby another one? 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:23.120 So was he? Is he a performer? Or is Bobby 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.640 Bobby was? Bobby was a performer? Bobby is? 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.840 Bobby is the original Usher? What's crazy is Usher's career 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:34.240 was projected to be like Usher's career was projected to 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:36.480 be like Bobby Brown, but ended up being closer to 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.840 Michael Jackson's. Chris Brown's career was projected to be more 1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:42.280 like Michael Jackson and ended up more like Bobby Brown. 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:49.200 WHOA hold up? Now? Okay, So as an artist, I 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:51.600 like Usher better. I think he's more of my age. 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.680 But you don't think Chris Brown is the bigger artist, no, 1:01:56.680 --> 1:02:00.400 Like I think I think that Usher might have I 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:03.600 think bigger hits one or but Chris Brown body of 1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:04.360 work is crazy. 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:07.840 Chris Brown is a bigger artist than Usher. So so 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:09.800 you said he is a bigger one six, I think 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.400 so for sure. Like his body work is insane. 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:15.720 I think so he got thousands of song I think 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:17.000 he has a bigger catalog. 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.479 Yeah, that catalog is insane. But he is a really 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.960 big star. Bro, I don't seem like I agree with you. 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:24.320 I think that is a huge start. But I think 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:25.560 we're a big star too. 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:28.000 But I think Chris Brown start took Chris Brown star 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:30.000 took a lot of shade too, and that messed up 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:30.960 his startup. 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:33.440 I think I think Chris Brown definitely did some did 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:35.800 some Bobby Brown don't. 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:36.960 Even think it wasn't even that bad. 1:02:37.000 --> 1:02:39.600 But again, the way the world acted, they got the 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:44.160 same last night. Yeah, Browns the Brown you do still 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:45.560 mistreat Chris Brown. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:48.320 Yeah, but I think, like you know, you know how 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:52.479 when something like that happened is so detrimental to your career, 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:54.960 like some of those things you're not bouncing back from. 1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:57.880 Your career is never the same. I thought, for the 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:02.000 most part his core fan base, they've forgiven him because 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.240 he wouldn't he wouldn't have been able to come back 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.680 and do what he's done post the bullshit he did, 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:08.280 you know what I mean. 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:10.880 The problem is Chris Brown don't have a confession. 1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:15.680 Hm hmm, not just a big thing. 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:18.520 You're right, he doesn't have a confessions, but he has 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:22.320 so like Chris Brown has a ton of really big, 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:25.080 great records, records. 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.400 I'm glad you brought that up, just quick side step. 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:37.160 But to your point earlier marketing confessions one marketing not 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:37.920 true story. 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:42.560 Yeah, but the writing was incredible to the story on. 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.960 What confessions, the weave of the story with the Usher. 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:50.560 Yeah, that was how big TLC was too. Everybody thought 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.080 those stories were about Usher and left. I mean Usher 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:53.520 and Chili. 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:59.800 Yeah, that was a big thing because you know so 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:06.400 I probably shouldn't say that, go ahead, but I'll preface 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:10.120 it like this. So when Neo got to Death Jam, 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:15.880 they were looking to try to create a similar thing 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:19.520 for him for his first album. That's when we got 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:21.840 to find out what the whole backstory of Confessions and 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:25.920 stuff was. But we ended up not doing going that direction. 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:30.360 But yeah, they was gonna create a whole, a whole 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:34.600 marketing campaign around something similar because it worked for Usher. 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:40.520 I think now got me thinking about it. Usher is 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:45.160 is him? Like now I'm thinking about it. Confessions might 1:04:45.320 --> 1:04:47.800 be top three best R and B albums ever. 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:52.520 Made, definitely more successful. It's definitely one of the ones 1:04:52.560 --> 1:04:53.040 that success. 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:56.240 Confessions is better than any one album that Chris Brown 1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:59.680 has done. Chris Brown got more hits, I think more. 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:03.000 I don't, And I'm not even saying that that Chris 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:05.560 is a better artist. I think he's a bigger artist. 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:07.560 I don't think he's I don't think he's better. 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:09.960 I think he could be better. I don't think he's bigger. 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:13.120 I think you could say he's better, but I don't 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:13.720 think he's bigger. 1:05:15.400 --> 1:05:17.440 I'm gonna throw something out there. Man, y'all body knock 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:20.080 gonna like this or y'all his confession is better than Thriller. 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:32.880 No, I'm not gonna respond to that, just trying to make. 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:39.960 Trying to make me, Chris trying to bay me. No, 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:42.560 I I know I'm throwing it out there for six 1:05:43.360 --> 1:05:46.040 apparently you know he got some he got some sick 1:05:46.240 --> 1:05:48.480 quietly over there, fans some ship because you need to 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:48.960 calm down. 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:54.320 I think because all of all of us is forty 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:59.480 and over, I think we just partial to none of us. Imagine, 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:02.960 I mean, Michael, you that none of us, none of 1:06:03.040 --> 1:06:06.320 us is Thriller, is none of our heroes, none of 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:08.960 us is that so all? 1:06:12.480 --> 1:06:16.240 You know, but you know you kind of a baby though, 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:20.120 you kind of I think I was in junior high fifteen. 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:22.720 I think we have to say we gotta say thrillers 1:06:22.760 --> 1:06:27.480 better than okay. I say, you mean we gotta say 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:30.400 you okay? So all right, fine, because I ain't nobody 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:32.800 about to get on that boat. But is confessed is 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:38.280 better than any solo project that Prince ever did, any solo. 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:40.280 Albums better than a few of them. I know, I'm 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:40.600 not I'm not. 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.400 I'm talking about if you take Prince, I don't know 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:45.080 what Prince best. What was Little Red Corvett and stuff on? 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:48.440 I don't know if you take Prince's best album he's 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:49.120 ever done. 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:55.120 Purple No, it's not better than Purple Rang. It's on 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:58.640 Purple Rain as it ain't better than Purple Ring. 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:01.840 What you think six it's not I said no from 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:03.720 the rip women. 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:05.960 Purple Rain. 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:09.760 You don't think you don't think Confessions better in Purple No? Absolutely, 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:12.680 And I'm a Princes fan like I like. 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:17.440 All the way through a movie to did he put 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:18.120 the movie on it? 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:21.919 And Confessions is incredible? But it's just the bad move. 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:25.280 Hold up, So that's that's our eerror that that's the 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:29.520 one of our era. That's our era. So you know 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:32.040 we I'm gonna have to be out of y'all, man. 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:34.920 I think Confessions might be better than any one album 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:36.120 that Prince ever done. 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:41.600 Bro. I'm about look to see for song and Confessions 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:46.360 has no skips. Purple Rain got some skips on therestand 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:49.360 I'm a Prince, okay, but you're just still a baby 1:07:50.560 --> 1:07:51.800 like you know what I mean? You can't take in 1:07:52.000 --> 1:07:53.640 quite with them adults was talking about. 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:54.000 At the time. 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:55.000 Yeah, you can't. 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:01.560 Right under stand that time because that's like it was 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:05.919 four A. I did grow up and I did listen 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:07.160 to Purple Rain after an A doe. 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:11.520 You know you still so time and face matters like 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:15.880 like I can't remember more day do I love? I 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:16.720 love mores Day. 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:24.280 Actually, life is up there, Thriller is up there, Herble 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:29.520 Rain is up there. It's some records up there. Confessions 1:08:29.600 --> 1:08:32.160 is probably like on the bottom half of the ten. 1:08:34.080 --> 1:08:36.920 It's about half of the somewhere between seven and ten. 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:45.720 That's insane. It's not freewhere. Yeah, it's some ship. Yeah, 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.240 some ship. It's some ship. Songs of the kid, like, 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:51.760 let me throw this out here, y'all like Computer Blue. Yeah, 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:54.200 it was like, yeah, it was cool because it flowed. 1:08:54.240 --> 1:08:58.800 The whole album flowed from one song to the next. Yeah, 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:03.679 my gold crazy. No, I'm Prince broke. 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:06.519 I'm coming off like trying to get a purple trying 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:07.360 to get a purple range. 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:10.960 I love, I love Prince, but something every blue moon, 1:09:11.160 --> 1:09:13.639 Prince will put a song. I'm trying to, like, y'all 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:17.519 tripping off and list a song man. 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.000 Prince's that guy. 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:22.639 I agree. Okay. 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:24.280 Now, first of all, six just not act like he's 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:27.400 always been that guy though, Like it was a time 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:30.960 where people, well people is not liking Prince, all right, 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:34.160 come out here, and I was telling me stories about 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:36.200 when Prince came and performed live out here and he 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:37.599 got booed up that goddamn stage. 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:40.360 Yeah, I'm sure he had look turned around show disass 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:43.280 to people. And definitely he definitely it was bad marketing. 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:47.160 That's bad marketing. Those parents, bro, that's bad one. It 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:52.040 wasn't talented. He definitely they was doing the outfit because 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:54.120 he's been that dude musically since he was like twelve 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:54.639 years old. 1:09:55.160 --> 1:09:57.240 All right, Petere to the King, Yeah. 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:00.960 I'm with him. Six Prince better than Michael. 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:03.840 I'm not gonna say that that's crazy. 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:05.760 I don't know if he said r P to the King. 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:07.760 I'm just saying that he always battled each other for 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:11.599 that one spot though. Yeah, I mean back and forth. 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:14.599 Gee, you think like Michael Man. 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:18.000 Do you think Michael is the best marketed act of 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:25.120 all time? Probably so so that when great marketing meets 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:26.000 great talent right. 1:10:25.920 --> 1:10:29.320 There, because Mike was a special talent. Yeah, that but 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:30.200 that's what it looks like. 1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:33.599 And then it ends up a legend Mike, and then 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:35.960 you still need some accidental things like your hair catch 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:36.360 on fire. 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:40.280 You can't. You can't plan that type of marketing. 1:10:40.520 --> 1:10:43.880 Do you think Michael becomes a bit a huge artist 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:46.400 without good marketing behind him, even though he was that talented, 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:48.240 no pull up? 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:50.479 But Mike started as a kid thing the Jackson five 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:53.160 with the cartoon he was. Come on, man, if. 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:56.560 Mike was a talented But again, you gotta think like 1:10:56.680 --> 1:10:59.719 Stevie Wonder. It's like when it comes to making music 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:02.240 and writing music, there are way more talented people than 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:07.439 Michael Jackson writing music. And yeah, forgive me writing music. 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:09.760 Let me not play with anything like that either. But 1:11:10.320 --> 1:11:13.880 overall composing a record, there's probably more talented people, I'm sure. 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:18.760 But as the whole talent though wanted, he's the He's 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:19.679 Floyd Mayweather. 1:11:19.880 --> 1:11:23.519 I mean, Prince could play every instrument on stage really well. 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:25.760 I mean Brian mc knight can't do like that. He 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:30.679 might Brian get cracking. 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:36.719 That's something where talent got cracking with decent marketing. Okay, okay, 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:40.360 mcnight is a perfect example of decent marketing. 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:42.680 But the nigga just was amazing. Is he better than 1:11:42.720 --> 1:11:46.760 Frank Ocean? Come on in the same category. 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:51.839 Troll coach Coach. 1:11:53.840 --> 1:11:58.360 Frank Ocean couldn't watch Brian M. Knight underwear. He probably 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:00.800 wanted to, but that's you. 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:02.960 You want some of that ship, that ship that Brian 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:06.280 Mnight got going on. Brian is dope, Bro, Brian way 1:12:06.720 --> 1:12:09.719 better than Frank Frank o. Ship is not a top 1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:10.479 hundred guy. 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:11.000 Frank. 1:12:11.240 --> 1:12:12.800 If he is, he'd be on the bottom half of 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:13.240 the hundred. 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:16.679 I agree, because now I think about it, I didn't 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:19.000 like Bragi the Night until I saw him live. When 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:22.680 I saw him live, I said, no, crazy, I want 1:12:22.720 --> 1:12:25.439 to go see him. And Tyree was came out before him, 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.400 hoping open in that and I'm in there because I'm. 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:31.640 A short short Yeah really bro, so I'm coming there. 1:12:31.680 --> 1:12:34.280 I said, open enough for this old that's not like 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:37.479 what has happened. And he's killing and ship. We you 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:38.080 know we're in l A. 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:40.720 So Tyree's killing that ship too. Yeah, he in there, 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:42.800 krip walking everything. So I'm up in there, like, hey, 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:44.680 Tyrus is, how how is he gonna follow this? 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:45.160 Hey? 1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:52.679 Brian Knight? So it was levels bro, so out man, 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:58.960 you know, and on some different ship. Ty is the 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:02.679 last singer that sounds like a man. Okay, Hey, Brian 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:09.120 mian knight is Brian McKnight is on some different shit. Bro, Yeah, Brian, 1:13:09.240 --> 1:13:11.000 is that Frank Ocean. Not? 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:15.120 No, That's what I'm saying. It's not nostalgic, like like 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:18.040 Trap calls the nostalgia. I think he just a prisoner 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:18.599 of the moment. 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:21.439 He's looking at Frank Ocean as the most successful and 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:25.000 it's like I always say, it's dirty water in the desert, Like, 1:13:25.120 --> 1:13:27.120 the problem is I've actually had clean water. 1:13:27.400 --> 1:13:29.320 Ran Ocean gonna make a song called dirty word Water. 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:31.240 It's gonna be great. It's gonna be tight too. 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.240 It's gonna be a great Frank Ocean song. The problem 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:35.560 is it's not gonna just be a great R and 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:38.960 B song. Frank Ocean makes great Frank Ocean songs, and 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:40.599 that's what music has become. 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:41.160 Right. 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:43.680 It's like, long as your songs fit your brand and 1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:46.040 what people follow you for, they think it's great. 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:49.360 But I never was in a Luther Van draws. You 1:13:49.479 --> 1:13:52.400 hear Luther Van draws, You know that's shit different. So 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:55.559 you think music was better than Yeah, I mean it's 1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:57.719 still people that make good music. Now. I'm just telling 1:13:57.760 --> 1:14:00.160 you the particular people that people are praising are not 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:03.080 the best in music. I like that music. 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.560 I like that music was more diverse. Everybody had like 1:14:06.640 --> 1:14:08.120 something really unique about. 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:12.000 That old times for cracking back then. I'm just saying, 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:14.599 you get what I'm saying. I think there's great artists now. 1:14:14.760 --> 1:14:16.800 So the problem is now the best singers don't get 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.519 the best songs because the best writers are bad singers, 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:23.799 so they keeping the songs. So now the best singers 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:26.639 are singing decent songs and the worst singers are singing 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:27.320 great songs. 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:28.840 That's what's wrong. 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:30.600 Back in the day, you would have new yo, no 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:33.640 singing ass had no action, you wouldn't even try to 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:36.840 Nobody would spend no money in no studio, nobody would 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:38.760 have financed, nobody would have got behind you. 1:14:39.240 --> 1:14:41.080 Now you could build your movement. 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:45.040 You could market your movement as the thing right and 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:47.760 then guess what, Now everybody's buyding to your movement as 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:49.439 long as the music fits your movement. 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:50.519 That's Frank Ocean to me. 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:52.439 I feel like back in the day, they'll write a 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:55.200 song and whoever sung it the best, it came out with. 1:14:57.960 --> 1:14:58.439 The same song. 1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:02.320 What I'm saying the problem is now, like imagine if 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:07.200 somebody that really could sing had those dream songs. And 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:10.560 those dream songs are big records now, but imagine like 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:13.599 somebody that really could blow had them fucking dream records 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:19.559 like oh give example, I don't give a fuck, it's 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:22.240 up been over because Brian could. 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:25.960 I think there's a line though, gee where it's like 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:29.200 some of those like if I think about like I 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:32.120 love your Girl, dream I love your girl, I don't 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:34.040 think only he could sing that song. Yeah, I don't 1:15:34.040 --> 1:15:35.320 think a great singer. 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:38.000 Would sound good on that song, right, Okay, I dig that. 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:39.360 I get that he will. 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:42.000 He will make some But I think that's why I 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:44.040 dream even though he's not a good singer, he's a 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:47.240 fantastic artist. He'll write songs. To me, being a great 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:50.360 artist is about making things that only that you could make. 1:15:51.000 --> 1:15:52.679 Like That's why always say I didn't become a great 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.400 artist until two Pac Must Die. 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:56.080 Again. 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:58.519 I was like, Okay, I'm the only person that can 1:15:58.600 --> 1:16:01.400 make this, like before you could hear like card Wise, 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:04.960 that's gonna be reduced down to the West Coast. There, 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:07.000 I made songs that could be like a West Coast 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:09.559 artist could make. But when I made two five Months Die, 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:13.080 that became things specific to just glasses the artists. And 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:15.880 that's the same thing with Michael Jackson, Like no thriller, 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:19.080 you know, the great artist nobody else could have made 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:22.040 When dus cry that shit would have sound stupid. Anybody 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:23.560 else with the same with dust Cry had been a 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:27.160 dumb ass song. Prince made it and it worked out 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:30.280 like the best. So when you a great artist, when 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.920 you uniquely deliver you know what I'm saying, a product 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:35.200 only that you could make. 1:16:38.160 --> 1:16:41.800 In today's climate? Can we even how do you market 1:16:41.840 --> 1:16:44.599 an R and B singer? Right now? The best thing 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:46.680 is like an R and B singer. You could just 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:50.240 hear them sing. Do you think that's enough? Not like 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:51.400 R and B isn't enough. 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:54.719 I don't think it's enough anymore. There's some great singers 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:55.679 that enough. 1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:58.320 But then, just like any other great singer, they're only 1:16:58.400 --> 1:16:59.920 gonna be as big as their greatest record. 1:17:01.520 --> 1:17:04.080 How can you even make a like, who's the last 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.120 person I made a great R and B record? You 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:07.240 guys think, I mean? 1:17:07.479 --> 1:17:11.599 Okay? So what about uh do we consider? 1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:12.040 Uh? 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:17.559 What's a little uh little dude, uh little Filipino black dude. 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:24.720 Miguel nor Mars. He got a lot of But I 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:26.840 don't know if I consider him R and B. So 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:29.400 do you think with him with him and Mike about 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:31.720 the week I'm Gonna leader Door Open, That's that's just 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.360 that's the song I'm talking about his pop. Yeah, okay, 1:17:34.400 --> 1:17:35.840 but that's what I'm talking about. That when he when 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:37.960 him and and my man that R and B song, 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:40.600 that ship Fire. Was that the last great R and 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:42.519 B song ever made? Or can we still make? 1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:46.160 I think Usher, that's your last album he got, he 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:47.679 got a couple of bangs. I'm being a little biased 1:17:47.680 --> 1:17:50.720 because one of my boys reach critical. Yeah, that's really 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:52.559 reached commercial success. 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:55.479 Probably probably probably that song I'm Gonna lead the Door open. 1:17:55.680 --> 1:17:57.160 That's probably that song was. 1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:00.760 Daniel's season song was dope to her her her makes 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:03.479 really good R and B? But does it does her 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:07.960 reach the real masses? Though? Yeah? Some of them sounds 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:10.960 due because I've heard some some of her music and 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:12.360 I've heard some of Oh. 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:17.640 Sissy, she's about to really take off now, yeah, R 1:18:17.680 --> 1:18:20.000 and B. Okay, let me ask you a question about Sissa. 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:23.800 Is she more is she talent, more talented or the 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:24.599 marketing great for her? 1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:25.920 She's really talented. 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:29.559 She got a little bit of she writes her pen 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:31.400 is dope? Is she writing some of that? 1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:33.280 And she on the right team? 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.400 Does she sing well? Because her songs, I can't tell 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:41.560 her she sings well? So she's melodic, I'll say this. 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:46.800 I don't know. I've never seen her perform live outside 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:50.800 of the super Bowl, right mm hmm. But when when 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:53.360 I heard the super Bowl performance, I was like, she 1:18:53.520 --> 1:19:01.120 sounds literally perfect, so much so that I was like, yeah, 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:02.880 I watched the hell of times because I'm like, is 1:19:02.960 --> 1:19:03.559 she lip singer? 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:03.720 Like? 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:06.000 She sounds singer for me? Right now? 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:09.040 She's probably like just what I know now, I haven't 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:11.880 really tried to find back in the day singers you 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:14.280 could find the moments when they're saying her, you know 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:15.920 what I mean, Like you don't get those. 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:18.920 But like probably like just from what I heard, probably 1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:22.960 like a B minus maybe a C plus singer. 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:27.080 If that was really if that was really her at 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:29.360 she ain't for sure. 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:31.840 Plus if that was heard the super Bowl, straight up 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:35.559 she's like okay, but you don't know for sure if 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:41.280 that was her. It was just so perfect. What is okay? 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:43.920 So how are they even marketing Scissor? Like I'm trying 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:45.599 to understand what is her brand? 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:48.960 I called top and asking I called top and asking 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:50.719 what they had in mind when it was marketing her. 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:53.280 Because you know what, I would say, this is about 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:55.599 top Dog and what's what they got going on over there? 1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:59.920 And you you correct me if I'm wrong? Do they mark? 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.800 They seem like they market more organically than like just 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:05.840 trying to put somebody in your face twenty four to seven. 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:07.880 It's like it comes across more organic. 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:10.360 Like I never looked at Scissor or even Doci or 1:20:10.880 --> 1:20:12.719 any of these artists and was like, oh man, they 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:15.760 are sensationalizing them or and then like that, it seemed 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:17.720 like it's kind of like happens organically and you kind 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:19.200 of like, oh damn, I like her out the blue. 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:22.719 Like how they marketing is just it's like they're marketing 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:23.400 different over there. 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:28.519 So with TD, everything is unique, Every pathway is different. 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:32.240 They didn't market Kendrick the same way they market Jay Rock. 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:34.519 They didn't market Q the same way they market DOT. 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:36.519 They didn't market sold the same way they market Q. 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:40.680 They didn't market Scizzor the way they market sold. They 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:43.519 market it based off the product they cook with, what's 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:45.640 on the table, That's what pop always been. 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:46.560 I can see that. 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:50.080 So like everything heard the person, you figure out what's 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:52.599 working for that person and you push it in that direction. 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:56.599 Anybody market I never felt like, ugh, like oh god, damn, 1:20:56.720 --> 1:20:57.559 the more of that or. 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:01.320 Because they still develop acts. They developed where you strong at. 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:04.160 That's always been their whole thing though. That's always been 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:07.640 top He develops you, he develops where you're strong at. 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.360 So it's like that's how it is. Not he's not 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:15.400 a major record company where they kind of putting you 1:21:15.439 --> 1:21:17.639 through a pipeline. It ain't a major record company fault. 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:21.479 They don't even have enough unique abilities to focus on 1:21:21.640 --> 1:21:24.439 marketing every making a marketing plan for every artist. That's 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:27.759 what top TD does well, and that's what Boutique Black 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:31.000 Company is supposed to do. Uniquely figure out what makes 1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:34.240 you special and then put the interest in there, Like 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:37.120 though she they found something and now they're starting to 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:41.200 really put a magnifying glass on that thing and that 1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:43.439 thing is what we all staring at, and they keep 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:48.640 making that thing more successfully critically and then like she's already. 1:21:48.400 --> 1:21:49.000 Had a record. 1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:52.559 I mean, that's where the boutique records do really well. 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:56.639 That's what a boutiqu hip hop company is supposed to do. Okay, 1:21:57.640 --> 1:21:59.240 Like what I have to do is a little bit. 1:21:59.200 --> 1:22:02.920 Different than what the giants have to do. Right, It's close, 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:05.160 but it's different, just like what Rock has to do. 1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:09.200 It's a little bit different than what qu or Dot 1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:11.560 had to do, but it's kind of close. Got you 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.720 So at the end of the day, it's like, that's 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:18.760 what I'm saying. So like when I'm watching marketing, like 1:22:18.880 --> 1:22:21.519 you know what I'm saying, Like the fans don't know 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:22.160 what's good. 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:26.439 The fans don't know what's good. They know what fits 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:27.320 what they're staring at. 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:29.040 Like they can tell you what's good art, or they 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:31.519 can tell you what they feel, but they don't know 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:34.240 music enough to know, like what's good music. 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:35.439 It's like a chef. 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:37.560 We're talking to a chef about eating food, and he 1:22:37.680 --> 1:22:39.839 knows everything about food and you know the bare minimum 1:22:39.960 --> 1:22:42.200 or nutrition, and you try to tell him what's good, 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.439 but you speaking from this kew view. 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:49.800 So I don't know, man, Okay, So you area know. 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:52.000 I kind of disagree with that. I kind of think 1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:54.880 the fans do know what's good. I think sometime it 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:57.160 takes them a while to understand what's good and bad 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:01.639 And where you're gonna say that is because when bad 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:08.880 artists don't really have long careers. Yeah, no, Like, name 1:23:08.920 --> 1:23:10.800 me a bad artist to have that's had a really 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:14.479 six you sound you got somebody? 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:17.439 No, because I'm laughing at you, because you constantly try 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:20.200 to bait people into like name him artist. 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:25.080 Why so do you do you do? You do you 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:27.559 know an artist with a bad artist a long career? 1:23:27.640 --> 1:23:30.519 I'm just asking, Oh, yeah, I do. Like I'm not 1:23:30.600 --> 1:23:31.120 gonna say it. 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:36.519 I know quite a few that So, Okay, Keth Sweat 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:38.439 a bad artist at a long career. But you're saying 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:41.439 he's got a he hes talented. You try to repackage 1:23:41.479 --> 1:23:41.880 the question. 1:23:43.920 --> 1:23:49.120 He sweat his talented. He's a talented writer, that's his cornerstone. 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:54.000 Yeah, so okay, maybe Frank coaching to y'all. Then I'll 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:57.960 be honest. I don't even know enough of Frank bad artists. 1:23:57.960 --> 1:24:00.679 I think he's an average artist. That's y'all are making 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:05.160 a fantastic artist. I think Frank Ocean is an average artist. 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:09.000 When you combine his singing ability with his riding ability, 1:24:09.479 --> 1:24:11.960 you get a C plus artist. So I got a 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.000 question for it, But in a in a time where 1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:17.760 everything is horrible. He feels like a dot. He's a 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:21.120 cubicxerconium in a time where there's no more diamonds. Like 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:23.479 if you saw a diamond, it probably blind the whole room. 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:27.400 So do you think most artists are overpaid. 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:29.599 In this day and age? 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:34.920 Probably probably so, yeah, you you something goddamn slave driver, 1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:38.120 like you get twenty million to. 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:40.799 Get two hundred if you if you just an artist, 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:42.679 you're probably getting overpaid. 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:45.800 That means just putting vocals on, putting vocals down, that's 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.800 all you do. You're getting overpaid. You should be paid 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:51.920 for what you're good at. Mm Sometimes people not good 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:52.400 at nothing. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:57.920 Was a train assassin as a vocalist, So yes, a 1:24:58.000 --> 1:25:00.160 lot of her ship is marketing. Don't let me on, 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:02.839 like Clive and and did one of the greatest marketing 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:04.680 jobs in the world on her, Like you did not 1:25:04.840 --> 1:25:07.240 know that this was a ghetto ass motherfucker from Newark. 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:08.679 You had no idea. 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:11.400 But they marked her as the voice though, and she 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:12.160 gotta have a voice. 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:14.719 And then they made you ask certain questions a thousand 1:25:14.800 --> 1:25:17.639 other things right, and they made her to where white people. 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:19.280 Could digest her because they didn't think she was a 1:25:19.360 --> 1:25:22.680 nigga like that. That was the marketing. 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:29.120 I mean, But the cornerstone of her talent is real 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:33.800 that the like, the one thing you could do is 1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:36.320 shut up and put a microphone in front of her. 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:39.240 She was gonna get everybody for sure. 1:25:39.600 --> 1:25:42.519 That's where TLC. I don't quite know, Like, what would 1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:44.880 you do if you put TLC in front of seven eleven? 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:46.759 What would you put change in the pot. 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:48.840 For dancing and shit? 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:53.120 Like they harmonizing and dancing like y'all you'll think, You'll 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:58.519 think what their panhandle and be just broke. There'll just 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:00.559 be another group on the corner. You're not listen. 1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:02.560 I'm not gonna give it no money to somebody on 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:03.320 the corner dancing. 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:05.559 Yeah, there'll just be another group on the You gotta 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:11.920 be a who y'all giving who y'all giving money to? 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:15.720 Then at least saying what I'm saying. It starts with 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:19.479 singing or just money. You won't even give the artist 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:21.640 no money, but I will if like when you was 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:23.519 singing on the corner, I give it a whole hundred dollars. 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:27.920 In fact, she don't even just put the instrumental, have 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:30.680 somebody play the little keyboard I'll sing I would love you. 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:32.320 She gonna get the whole hundred dollars. 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:35.040 But if it was a load of the guys, if 1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:36.800 it was a little there gat seven eleven hitting them 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:39.360 on Mario moves, he's not getting nothing from me. 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.840 That's just terrible. And maybe if he in downtown Vegas, 1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:45.880 if he if. 1:26:47.520 --> 1:26:55.000 So, if he ain't hitting them amorrio, Hey, hey, coach, 1:26:55.040 --> 1:26:56.280 you didn't even see my jab. 1:26:56.360 --> 1:26:58.160 Bro, you didn't even see how I set that whole 1:26:58.200 --> 1:26:59.320 play up. Bro, that's crazy. 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:10.120 So Marion traps, what's his talent? He's a performer, He's 1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:14.880 a performers bad, He's I think Marion is a good performer. Now, 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:18.519 I don't think he's the best singer of all time, obvious, Yeah, 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:19.639 I think he performed. 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:22.480 Though, I think he's better than Ray j ma o'maron 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:28.080 is is close to TC? Yeah, trap, I mean, uh, 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:35.120 he's probably damn he just got enough of everything? Yeah, 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:37.720 just just enough, just. 1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:42.160 A Marion probably is like a seven and a half 1:27:42.320 --> 1:27:44.760 dancer and then like a for everything else? Like how 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:47.320 you calling TC four everything else? TC is probably like 1:27:47.320 --> 1:27:48.559 a six everything else. 1:27:49.040 --> 1:27:53.600 Well, if we're if we're using either metric, six is 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:57.479 for you fours for G. The bottom line is he's TC. 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:01.200 So do you think more people that TC was like 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:04.840 I would like to be them? Yes, not a Mario. 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:09.439 I think TC has something about them to where girls 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:11.519 were like, that's the that's it right there. 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:13.599 We like that to even dudes. Just like I'm telling 1:28:13.640 --> 1:28:14.400 you how the guy I was. 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:17.840 Like, that's for little kids was different to little boys. 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:22.720 I'm saying, yeah, because they were selling girls liking them. 1:28:23.840 --> 1:28:27.320 So like like with TLC, they were selling guys liking them. 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:33.160 B two K was selling little girls liking them. Okay, 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:35.599 be too gread of a group. That's a different story. 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:40.080 I'm just talking about. Well, I'm saying because you know, 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.240 it's a different group. Groups are a little different than this. 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:46.280 Solo artists know for sure. They're way different. They're way different. 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:48.760 You come on and we've seen a bunch of guys. 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:51.439 SA specifically this ship BE two K O Marion. 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:53.960 Pretty much without B two K, there be no Mario, 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:56.000 Like he couldn't even be He couldn't come out of 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:59.240 Mario by hisself and then be hot like he had 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:00.920 to come with be took and didn't get hot there 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:03.080 and then branch off. I don't think that Mario would 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:04.439 have the same success if you would have came up 1:29:04.439 --> 1:29:06.320 by yourself, I think. 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.759 Especially at that time of day. But that's only because 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:14.840 you think it lacks talent. Now again, it's not talent less. 1:29:14.920 --> 1:29:17.599 I'm not saying TSC is talent less. TLC is dope. 1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:22.719 They're really beautiful women. They have a style about themselves naturally, 1:29:23.080 --> 1:29:27.000 they don't necessarily have a developed skill like I agree, 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:29.800 They're dancing is probably about a four. They moved just 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.719 good enough, right, they were sisters, so they had natural rhythm. 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:36.680 But they fashion like they wasn't new addition dancing New 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:40.680 audition really danced audition like new addition one is a 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:42.360 knockoff of who fashion? 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:44.760 Somebody else dressed them. That was somebody else's whole thing. 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:47.120 The same thing for Chriss Cross Brat that was, Oh 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:50.320 it wasn't there dressing them as So y'all don't think 1:29:50.360 --> 1:29:53.160 it takes a certain type of factor too, like something 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:55.920 about you. Yes, I agree, And you don't think TLC 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:58.560 had it, And I do believe that's true. Do you 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:00.559 you believe that were stars? 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:01.240 Yeah? 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:03.960 I believe it takes some some sort of factor and 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:05.160 really good timing. 1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:07.160 Yeah, timing is under. 1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:10.439 Do you think t had it the in factor? Yeah, 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:12.880 they had something. 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:18.040 You got Colts over shaking his head. 1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:20.840 Now I see, and. 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:24.639 Y'all y'all gonna really it's gonna be on the podcast 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:26.040 man like being that bad. 1:30:26.240 --> 1:30:27.800 Did y'all disrespect t C? 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:36.439 Yeah, yeah, I've been hearing this. I've been hearing this, 1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:44.240 and that was Yeah. This has to stop being the 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:46.360 the the hate for the the the hate for the 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:50.479 Frank Ocean. Man, you gotta call on sweet baby Jesus 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:52.960 right now, man, and to try to fix this thing 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:56.360 because that this is crazy. Man just sat here and 1:30:56.560 --> 1:31:00.160 said hers back to about the til C first went 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:03.160 to TLC first, all right, this is one of the 1:31:03.320 --> 1:31:06.519 best roots of all time. 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:09.080 Totally agree all time. 1:31:09.840 --> 1:31:10.439 You know what I'm saying. 1:31:12.040 --> 1:31:16.439 One of the hmhm I think glasses think it's eighty 1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:17.080 percent marketing. 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:20.839 I think it was charisma, it was it was original. 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:24.519 We never seen we never seen like that. A lot 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:27.160 of people came and followed that after their whole blueprint, 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:28.960 So you got that. 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:33.479 Blueprint was followed by who I'm saying that blueprint was 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:34.400 inspired by other people? 1:31:34.960 --> 1:31:38.479 Who would you say inspired by the brat the brad 1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:40.800 but the Brad before. 1:31:40.560 --> 1:31:46.559 Them, no excuse before Brad probably not for sure, they 1:31:46.640 --> 1:31:48.360 got to be close. But all of that is from 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:50.400 the same wheelhouse. They didn't create that. That look at 1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:51.360 somebody else's. 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:55.040 Look before Brad. I think, no, I don't know Georgia. 1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:57.200 And now I want to go back into what's the name? 1:31:57.520 --> 1:32:00.439 So that was a real California statement that you made 1:32:00.520 --> 1:32:02.479 right there, because people be getting paid the dance in 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.320 New York since the seventies. 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:08.320 That's California here. 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:11.720 Yeah, well, you want to pay somebody to dance. They 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:13.400 got they got extremely good talent, but. 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:18.879 They better get cracking. I don't know if O. Marion 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:24.280 is gonna get more than five dollars. Yeah, I'm getting 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:26.760 changed for that's not being horsh I think that's fair. 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:29.360 Like O Marion. Now Chris Brown, I give him thirty 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:33.000 dollars all that shit he be doing. Yeah, he can 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:33.720 get thirty dollars. 1:32:34.520 --> 1:32:35.080 O Marion. 1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:37.759 You know Chris Brown. O'mrion, ain't rist Chris Brown. 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:40.600 Let's get back to this tailc. I'm slaying that you 1:32:40.720 --> 1:32:44.760 was just getting God blessed, God blessed left eyeh. You 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:47.000 know what I'm saying. Let's do that tea boys. You 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:49.280 know what I'm saying, Chili, You know what I mean, Like, Yo, 1:32:49.400 --> 1:32:51.760 we never seen a girl group come together like that, 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:55.040 and basically you had every woman, every young girl in 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:56.559 the age wanted to be like TLC. 1:32:57.200 --> 1:32:58.120 That's great marketing. 1:32:59.680 --> 1:33:02.920 Okay, so now you're talking about talent wise concent t 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:07.040 bos consent, yes, but they don't sing great. 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:08.759 Or good. 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:15.080 To go diamond though, right, So just what. 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:18.840 Is an average singer? She had a really unique tone, 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:21.080 that was the thing. But I think she was an 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:24.920 average singer. I think Chile he was probably a low 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:29.400 average singer, maybe a Schmidt above. But I think it 1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:33.519 was a great marketing campaign, Like the whole idea is 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:34.439 what made it work. 1:33:35.160 --> 1:33:37.160 So they the marketing made them go diamond. 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:41.160 Hell yeah, it hit at the right time and the 1:33:41.280 --> 1:33:43.639 hitch was good. Hell yeah. I think. 1:33:45.760 --> 1:33:47.920 No, I'm just saying I agree with six. I agree 1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:50.760 with uh no, no, I'm talking about six. When six 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:52.080 said it takes time in the time, I. 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:52.599 Gotta be right. 1:33:53.040 --> 1:33:55.320 I think I think I agree with six with as 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:56.559 far as the time, and I agree with you as 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:59.040 far as the marketing. But I think Trapp is trying 1:33:59.040 --> 1:34:01.640 to say that even if you got the timing and 1:34:01.680 --> 1:34:04.679 the marketing together. It takes a lot more than go diamond, 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:09.120 though he got something else wrote the record. 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:10.000 I'm not saying. 1:34:12.080 --> 1:34:13.880 Have a talent, all right. 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:18.200 So what was the what was the hair burned moment 1:34:18.320 --> 1:34:20.440 right there? You mean, like the Michael Jackson. 1:34:20.160 --> 1:34:22.720 Moment that made them remember what it was at a 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:23.200 time too? 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:26.479 What what did the same sex promotion with the same 1:34:26.560 --> 1:34:29.040 sex promotion that they was doing. Remember they came out 1:34:29.040 --> 1:34:31.760 with them with the condom over the eye and all. 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:32.519 That was it that. 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:35.640 I don't know, we have to really add JD one 1:34:35.720 --> 1:34:37.679 of them, like what was going on at that time? 1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:41.200 But they they weren't quite I know she burned down 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:42.559 Rising House, that was the thing. 1:34:42.640 --> 1:34:46.800 I remember that being a big thing. But again, these 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:48.240 are somebody else wrote the records. 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:52.120 They're really great written records there they execute them just enough. 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:54.439 I think that was a perfect example of really great 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:56.280 marketing on really decent times. 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:00.240 What do you mean, I mean if if that, if 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:02.360 it was just if it's just marketing and right and 1:35:02.400 --> 1:35:07.400 great records groups? So well, man, so y'all think they 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:08.240 were thoc. 1:35:08.040 --> 1:35:12.000 Though it was all really three female groups. I believe 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:14.639 I agree with you, But they were not TLC. 1:35:15.720 --> 1:35:19.280 But it's like people thinking, Like when people talk about 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:21.200 Drake and they're like, oh, he's the it's like they've 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:24.320 had that they're gonna keep generating that time. It may 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:27.880 only open every twenty five years or forty years, who 1:35:27.960 --> 1:35:28.679 knows what I'm saying. 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:31.320 They'll find another one. That's what they do, that's the business. 1:35:32.360 --> 1:35:33.240 That talent is here. 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:37.880 I feel like they'll find another Marion We I mean, 1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:40.280 you don't find another TLC. Like you don't find another 1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:42.280 Michael Jackson. I'm not saying TLC's Michael Jackson, but you 1:35:42.320 --> 1:35:44.880 don't find another Mike another like, but is there some 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:46.760 groups that you just don't find another of. You might 1:35:46.840 --> 1:35:48.880 find another group that's good or you can do something with, 1:35:49.080 --> 1:35:49.439 but they don't. 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:52.160 I don't believe that neither. I think everything comes back. 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:54.800 They'll always find it. Now, can you match the moment 1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:58.640 Chris Brown was Michael Jackson to some degree reincardinated, but 1:35:58.720 --> 1:35:59.960 they just couldn't match the moment You. 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:02.760 Think at some point Chris Brown was on the same 1:36:03.200 --> 1:36:05.240 trajectory to be Mike, to be Mike. 1:36:05.800 --> 1:36:11.320 Yeah, Chris is bro Chris. The way they used to 1:36:11.479 --> 1:36:14.439 talk about everything with Chris. I love Chris Brown. 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:17.280 I mean the way the office is talked about him. 1:36:18.200 --> 1:36:20.840 He was like a different type of entity. He's a 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:21.880 bad motherfucker. 1:36:22.080 --> 1:36:22.879 He was special. 1:36:23.080 --> 1:36:26.920 I agree and like it dampened every because Mike is 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:30.120 not just Mike. Mike is is the ship Joe Jackson 1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:30.680 had him doing. 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:34.559 They thought Campbell was the next Michael Jackson. 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:41.320 Bro that's different. And Tevin could sing under a table. Up, 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:45.120 hol up you think so, Mike I could sing like 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:48.559 a mother Okay, Tevin Campbell's not that. Tevin can sing. 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:51.040 He can't sing, but he not. He's not a way 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:53.200 better singing than Michael Jackson, not way better, but he 1:36:53.240 --> 1:36:55.920 is singing under the table. Tevin is a bad motherfucker. 1:36:57.520 --> 1:36:59.720 Very few vocals I heard like his that nigga is 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:03.080 Kevin Campbell can really sing? I agree with you, And and. 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:07.120 Michael Jackson saying too, I'm not Michael. I'm saying I'm 1:37:07.200 --> 1:37:10.200 just telling you, Tevin Campbell's a better singer than Michael Jackson. 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:13.040 So I can understand why people thought that. But Michael 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:16.479 Jackson Michael just because of singing, and he's a great singer. 1:37:16.800 --> 1:37:17.599 That's a hot take. 1:37:18.200 --> 1:37:18.600 That is a. 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:23.960 What's that once they saw that's a hot take. 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:27.160 Bro, that really hot take. Trap that Tevin Campbell the 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:28.439 better singer than Michael Jackson. 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:35.240 Tam was cold cold. Michael Jackson is more than singing. 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:37.360 Michael Jackson was a really good singer, really. 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:39.840 Great ranger, A ranger, ranger. 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:43.120 ID a million things. Tavin Campbell was just a great scene. 1:37:43.160 --> 1:37:45.200 I think we're forgett about Michael jackson earlier stuff. 1:37:46.360 --> 1:37:48.519 I'm just talking about his voice, like we're. 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:51.680 Just talking about no I'm saying I agree, shout out 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.559 to more gust take. So so six six you think 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:56.200 Tavin Campbell's a better singer than Mike. 1:37:58.520 --> 1:38:02.600 I don't think so. He's he He's ridiculous. He's ridiculous. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:06.080 I don't know. But for me too, it's like I've 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:09.680 always loved the I've always loved singers. I have really 1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:14.320 unique tones like Michael Jackson. We don't hear another voice 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:17.479 like Michael Jackson. So that always maybe that's a little 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:19.479 bias bump just because I like unique tones. 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:23.040 I think Mike is probably like in the bottom half 1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:25.800 of the twenty Greatest Male Vocalists, And. 1:38:25.880 --> 1:38:28.680 You think Tevin Campbell's bottom, You think Tevin Gamble's in 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:36.519 the higher half, or Tevin Campbell is, but Devin is 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:40.400 so because Tevin is only singing. Can tell Michael Jackson 1:38:40.479 --> 1:38:43.880 like Michael Jackson is one million things. Michael Jackson is 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:49.919 a child star, TV dancer, a fucking machine. He produced 1:38:49.960 --> 1:38:52.680 his right records. Tevin is just a singer. Let me 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:56.439 question listen, hold up, Coach, Tevin like men and it's 1:38:56.479 --> 1:38:59.759 still a big deal. That's how good of a singer. Nigga. 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:01.880 No no, no, no, no, no, Mike than not, don't 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:09.639 do that. Do that, Mike go fishing, Mike Fisher. 1:39:11.120 --> 1:39:14.640 Kevin Campbell liked me and all Kevin Campbell could do, 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:17.360 what's seen and everything he is. 1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:21.040 It is just because how well he seems. Niggas don't 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:24.840 even care who he fucking You know that playing full 1:39:24.880 --> 1:39:29.120 of people like Freddie Burgery, Luther Vandro. 1:39:29.040 --> 1:39:33.280 Michael Jackson. Hold on, hold on, hold on, now, why 1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:33.760 are you playing? 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:33.960 Mike? 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:38.920 Michael Jackson got all types of ship ship about it. 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:43.120 All true. I'm not saying it's not sure who you 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:46.040 ever seen coach Coach? You've never seen the video? They 1:39:46.120 --> 1:39:47.160 yo where they go yo. 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:51.439 When Mike refers to he says, he said He's going fishing, 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:53.960 and they got mad videos. I'm talking about going fishing, 1:39:54.000 --> 1:39:57.200 talking about going a woman and like all this, You're 1:39:57.200 --> 1:39:58.120 going fishing, Mike. 1:39:58.600 --> 1:39:59.439 Mike wasn't gay. 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:01.439 At all. 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:05.120 The King wasn't gave, Prince wasn't gave. 1:40:05.800 --> 1:40:08.840 No Prince Prince, Prince Prince, and I love Prince Bro 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:14.320 Prince Prince bisexual issues. 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:16.760 I can't say that for sure either though, because there's 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:21.639 nothing concrete out Prince No, No, again, it's not. Tevin 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:24.680 is like a top tier male vocals said Tevin is 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:25.240 better than Mike. 1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:26.439 Is not like that. 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:28.639 They ain't no regular Nick. Tevan is a bad move 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:32.759 like everything Kevin, like Winnie Houston, everything, Winni Houston, Tevin Campbell, 1:40:32.880 --> 1:40:34.680 Luth the vantage of some of these people. They just 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:35.679 only good scene. 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:36.040 I know. 1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:38.280 But King came from an era when they had the 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:40.200 scene they was only singing. I don't think he think 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:42.120 Tevan is that good as good as you're making. 1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:45.240 The scene, King, King, Tevan is that good for sure? 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:46.000 I think. 1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:51.599 Do you think if Michael just just was a singer, 1:40:51.760 --> 1:40:54.200 just just did not dance and anything like that, do 1:40:54.240 --> 1:40:55.679 you think he could have been as big as Tevin 1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:57.000 Campbell ended up being. 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:03.679 That big, big, not that big though a couple of records. 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:05.880 I'm asking, do you think Mike would have been as big, 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:08.000 at least as big as Teven if he only just 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:09.000 saying yeah, for. 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:13.479 Michael could have got far with only on voice alone. 1:41:13.520 --> 1:41:14.280 Michael can sing. 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:17.320 I just said, I'm not saying that Mike can't. That's 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:19.320 not I'm not putting Mike. I'm telling you Tevin is 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:20.479 a better singer to me. 1:41:20.960 --> 1:41:26.000 Okay, that's why, okay singer, Okay, okay, Tevin compared the 1:41:26.040 --> 1:41:28.880 baby Face. Yeah, no, Tevin Camera is a better singer 1:41:28.920 --> 1:41:29.920 the baby Face, Yes, for sure. 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:34.280 You you know who don't get enough camel. You know 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:35.360 who don't get enough credit? 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:45.720 Tank Tanks are under Yeah, thanking, I don't think. I 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:49.639 don't think Tank is a great singer. He's an under 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:56.160 He could sing a lot better than he but he's 1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:57.000 not heaven. 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:01.360 When he is different, having his different mini rips. Some 1:42:01.439 --> 1:42:04.719 of these people are really Luther, They're really just singer. 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:06.800 Let me ask you a question, was Tank? Was Tank 1:42:06.880 --> 1:42:08.360 the worst singer out of T G T. 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:12.439 No, no who? 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:14.719 I think he sung better than he's signed, better than JR. 1:42:14.760 --> 1:42:16.120 One Wine. 1:42:17.840 --> 1:42:21.640 I think he's sing better than both of them. He's 1:42:21.640 --> 1:42:25.439 sing better than ty six hot take. I think right there, 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:28.600 everybody listen, I. 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:30.920 Don't I didn't been in the studio with this nigga. 1:42:32.040 --> 1:42:36.080 Incredible Okay, Okay, that makes okay that the who the 1:42:36.160 --> 1:42:36.639 best singer? 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:37.360 Like l s G. 1:42:41.040 --> 1:42:43.559 All right, you got inside information? Okay, Tank? 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:46.599 Is he really that? Tank will tone it down for sure? 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:48.640 I know you underrated for sure, will turn it. 1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:52.160 Down so other people don't get you know, overwhelmed. But 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:54.720 like he would really be like he'll turn it down 1:42:54.760 --> 1:42:57.439 in sessions like I'm not gonna over sing this song. 1:42:57.640 --> 1:42:59.559 But he really he really that dude. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:02.839 Okay, tanker thing for sure? He definitely underrated. 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.840 But you said LSG Trapp, Yeah, what the. 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:13.680 Best thing out of the nigga? Jeralderf Ge Okay, who 1:43:13.760 --> 1:43:15.240 you got god bless. 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:23.479 Yeah, Joe, Johnny, Look Johnny, I don't know, Johnny, Johnny, 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:25.639 john Johnny got. 1:43:25.600 --> 1:43:28.960 My favorite mother fucking uh new Jackson Wing song of 1:43:29.040 --> 1:43:34.000 all time. Johnny is a bad motherfucker. But man, with Gerald, 1:43:34.080 --> 1:43:36.760 it was effort, bro. He didn't even have to try, 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:39.400 Like I could always feel Johnny give trying. 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:41.519 Then not a little closer than we thinking, No, it's 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:45.400 close close, I'm not all of these things. 1:43:45.520 --> 1:43:49.320 Michael Jackson and Tevin Campbell's close, so like they're close, 1:43:49.400 --> 1:43:51.400 I'm just saying I can clearly hear better. 1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:54.280 Freddy Jackson is a bad motherfucker. 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:58.599 Freddy Jackson's crazy. Yeah, Jackson's crazy. 1:43:58.760 --> 1:44:00.599 When we say talent, the first first thing I think 1:44:00.600 --> 1:44:02.439 about talent when it comes to R and B right 1:44:02.640 --> 1:44:03.520 is singing. 1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:10.400 And then writing and then dancing. So what I'm telling 1:44:10.720 --> 1:44:12.680 trapping him is like. 1:44:14.760 --> 1:44:17.439 Frank is a perfect example of really good marketing, really 1:44:17.479 --> 1:44:22.719 average talent average, not today today, He's an outstanding talent, 1:44:23.640 --> 1:44:27.639 average in the in the grand history of his particular genre. 1:44:27.760 --> 1:44:31.000 He's an average talent by far. He's not on any 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:33.360 level with Brian McKnight. He's not on any level of 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:35.000 the upper tier guys. 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:36.439 That's not. 1:44:39.080 --> 1:44:42.800 Frank Ocean. No Frank, Frank Ocean ain't no Tank level. 1:44:42.880 --> 1:44:47.559 Tank is is different. Tank like Frank is the. 1:44:47.680 --> 1:44:48.519 Best of today. 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:52.880 Frank last back in the Day track why are You 1:44:53.000 --> 1:44:53.720 Rocking back and Forth? 1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:53.840 Like? 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:02.200 Imagine, imagine, imagine that Frank Ocean dropped that album after 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:03.679 Luther Van Draws. 1:45:03.640 --> 1:45:07.280 Dropped his first album. The times were different, though, no, 1:45:07.640 --> 1:45:12.639 don't say the times were different. That's the only difference 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:15.160 niggas can see. That's the only different times. I think 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:18.080 that definitely, Luther is a better singer than you keep naming. 1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:21.240 Luther is a bad writer than Tavin. Luther is a 1:45:21.280 --> 1:45:25.040 better writer, producer. Luther does everything better than Frank Ocean 1:45:25.240 --> 1:45:27.479 by far. That's the problem. You thick the one the 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:31.560 all time greats. I'm telling you Luther Van Draws is. 1:45:31.760 --> 1:45:34.240 It's not just because he all times Marvin Gay is 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:37.200 way but everybody Brian M. 1:45:37.280 --> 1:45:38.160 Knight is way better. 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:41.679 Like I could go down a list of people way better, prints, 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:44.120 way better, Michael Jackson, way better. 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.600 It's like, and I'm just after this, like he's a 1:45:48.280 --> 1:45:49.000 he's a. He's a. 1:45:49.320 --> 1:45:52.040 He's a good He's an average to good talent, but 1:45:52.200 --> 1:45:54.920 he's not anywhere near a great R and B talent. 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:58.200 He's a great today R and B talent because R 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:01.120 and B is in a weird place, like you gotta 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:01.960 really be good. 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:04.240 I agree with you, especially as far as the singing go. 1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:07.519 I think if he just wrote more, I think we'll 1:46:07.520 --> 1:46:09.000 be able to tell how good of a writer he is. 1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:11.599 Even the stuff that he wrote ain't nowhere near there. 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:13.680 I think I think it's good enough to where he's 1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:15.679 not he the average singer in it, and it really 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:17.160 does well still. 1:46:17.479 --> 1:46:20.599 But does what that's my problem does well. It's kind 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:24.840 of like he's not Sizza Sis' is a great writer. 1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:28.439 My problem is Siza is a better singer and writer 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:29.200 than Frank Ocean. 1:46:29.360 --> 1:46:32.639 I do wonder if if if her is a better 1:46:32.720 --> 1:46:36.559 writer and singer than Frank Ocean. I do wonder if 1:46:36.560 --> 1:46:39.720 he did if his if he did he did some more, 1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:42.240 would he be considered He probably be over her bike 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:44.559 right now if he did, if he just did more, 1:46:45.800 --> 1:46:50.200 no fucking chance. He is the real deal. 1:46:50.760 --> 1:46:53.679 I think you like her no work in any era, 1:46:54.280 --> 1:46:57.720 all right, So look right, so yes today we did 1:46:57.840 --> 1:46:59.360 sign I think I want to ask you this right here, 1:46:59.400 --> 1:47:02.280 glasses right, So yesterday we did something eighty AHD. I 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:04.400 came with some new new thing that we do now. 1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:06.840 We do like a draft with the music though, right, 1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:08.479 So you had to you had to you had to 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:11.920 draft a label basically. So basically it was it was 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:14.439 like six different spots we had to fill up. So 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:18.280 it was a it was your franchise superstar, your vocal 1:47:18.360 --> 1:47:24.680 performance star, your underrated gym, your songwriter or producer, your 1:47:24.920 --> 1:47:26.960 your wild card. That could be any It could be 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:31.880 like a legendary group of a legendary artist, or it 1:47:31.920 --> 1:47:34.559 could just be a new wave talent and you're under 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:38.320 thirty artists. Who would you select for your for your 1:47:38.360 --> 1:47:42.280 vocal powerhouse? If you want to select one person? Ver, 1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:46.960 who's your who's your who's your franchise? Superstar? 1:47:50.280 --> 1:47:54.479 Stevie Wonder all them my albums, I get out of him. 1:47:54.680 --> 1:47:55.840 I never had to work again. 1:47:56.240 --> 1:47:58.280 Who's your underrated who's your underrated gym? 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:03.880 Jamie Fox? Oh? Okay, somebody alive? 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:07.879 Who's your song riter or producer? 1:48:10.600 --> 1:48:14.560 And or or it could be either all but it 1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:15.559 only be one person. 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:18.040 Only be one person. They could be Jimmy James try 1:48:18.080 --> 1:48:22.040 Lewis though, you know, but they gotta be one one, 1:48:22.160 --> 1:48:25.000 either a songwriter or a producer, j. 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:34.759 D and Brian Michael Cox. Okay the okay? Okay, who's 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:41.280 your wild card? Do everything? No? 1:48:41.439 --> 1:48:44.000 Your wildcard is basically like that's what I'm saying when 1:48:44.000 --> 1:48:45.680 you did stevee Wander Do you guys see one of day? 1:48:45.720 --> 1:48:45.880 Though? 1:48:45.880 --> 1:48:48.360 But your wildcar could be like a group. It could 1:48:48.400 --> 1:48:49.360 be a new wave talent. 1:48:49.640 --> 1:48:52.200 Oh, I'm gonna go to I'll get money off their favorite. 1:48:51.880 --> 1:48:55.320 Too, all right. And who's your who's your under who's 1:48:55.320 --> 1:49:00.879 your under thirty star? That's a kid under thirty. 1:49:02.439 --> 1:49:13.559 Somebody I'll have to develop. Yeah, that's a great question 1:49:13.600 --> 1:49:15.240 for him because you know he don't like No, I. 1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:16.599 Love, I love, I love. 1:49:18.360 --> 1:49:19.160 Big extra plug. 1:49:20.080 --> 1:49:22.640 No, it's the R and B. You don't sing o 1:49:22.920 --> 1:49:23.160 R and B. 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:28.320 Okay, you say it. Hers under thirty two, Yeah. 1:49:28.200 --> 1:49:31.360 Hers on the thirty. Somebody picked somebody picked her. Somebody 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:32.400 picked her, hers under thirty. 1:49:33.640 --> 1:49:37.080 I don't know if that would be disrespectful. Dope. 1:49:39.800 --> 1:49:42.240 We had some dope. It was about ten people, so 1:49:42.320 --> 1:49:46.240 we didn't her. I like her. It was it was 1:49:46.320 --> 1:49:48.080 ten people, and we did. We did a draft and 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:50.639 snake order to the Some of the teams came out. 1:49:50.640 --> 1:49:52.280 Somebody actually, the one I'm looking at right now, they 1:49:52.360 --> 1:49:54.240 had her hers. No. 1:49:55.040 --> 1:49:56.639 Yeah, shot. 1:49:56.880 --> 1:49:59.479 Everybody at the lowis table talking ship. I'm not saying 1:49:59.560 --> 1:50:01.920 I think Ocean couldn't have one hit record in the eighties. 1:50:01.920 --> 1:50:03.400 I'm just telling you to have one hit record in 1:50:03.400 --> 1:50:05.880 the eighties. Y'all talk about this nigga like he's Stevie wonder. 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:08.720 I just don't know how much here dropping it he does, 1:50:08.800 --> 1:50:09.680 don't drop enough, Like. 1:50:09.680 --> 1:50:11.840 Ifig drops, what does he want to none of that 1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:12.200 ship is. 1:50:12.439 --> 1:50:14.800 If Frank Ocean dropped a lot, I think he would 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:16.720 be closer to Keith Sweat than you think. 1:50:16.840 --> 1:50:17.640 He don't have. 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:23.479 He don't never, he don't have. He don't have Nigga 1:50:23.760 --> 1:50:30.040 keep sweat is Teddy Riley nigga? No, no he y'all 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:33.880 gotta realize Keith Sweat ain't just keep sweat. That's the 1:50:33.960 --> 1:50:36.360 introdution of new jack swing like, that's the introduction of 1:50:36.400 --> 1:50:38.400 new jack swings. Make it last for ever, like he 1:50:38.479 --> 1:50:39.240 don't have a make. 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:40.799 It last forever bro. That's crazy. 1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:43.400 I think he's doing Frank Ocean doing himself with disservice 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:45.120 by just not dropping enough and doing. 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:51.040 He dropped ain't enough. Let's just start there, man. It 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:53.320 ain't a back heeping on Frank Ocean. 1:50:53.520 --> 1:50:56.360 I'm not sleeping on him. I think he's a marginal o' talent. 1:50:57.000 --> 1:50:57.679 He's just perfect. 1:50:57.680 --> 1:50:59.360 I don't think he's a great singer, but I think 1:51:00.520 --> 1:51:02.200 as far as his writing and all that kind of stuff, 1:51:02.200 --> 1:51:05.000 I think I think he's an a minus writer. 1:51:05.240 --> 1:51:07.479 I gotta go listen. I gotta listen to You don't 1:51:07.479 --> 1:51:10.599 even got a minus song song. 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:14.519 I keep telling you the potato song man, the fact 1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:17.519 that you keep calling the potato song is a minus song. 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:20.559 The Potato room. 1:51:22.520 --> 1:51:23.920 A minus R and B song? 1:51:24.280 --> 1:51:31.040 Is what nokas song? What is. 1:51:35.920 --> 1:51:36.880 Got a pony? 1:51:39.439 --> 1:51:42.800 If pony a minus minus? And I don't know, I 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:44.479 don't know. We should be talking about pony. We should move, 1:51:44.520 --> 1:51:45.519 we should say another song. 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:47.040 So what came. 1:51:52.400 --> 1:51:54.960 Pony is a minus? Because pony ain't never too much? 1:51:55.520 --> 1:51:57.680 Pony ain't a uh? 1:51:58.600 --> 1:51:58.760 Is it? 1:51:58.960 --> 1:52:00.880 I think in no gens be his a minus R 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:04.240 and B song, Hony, that's probably be plus. 1:52:05.880 --> 1:52:07.600 He don't But but frank os don't have none of that, 1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:11.880 Not that he got songs that are like you know 1:52:11.960 --> 1:52:13.320 what he got like he don't got it. 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:18.360 He don't got a Billy Joe me and Missus Jones coach, 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:20.360 you gotta have that. 1:52:24.280 --> 1:52:28.639 Frank is dope. He's dope today. Today he's dope. He's 1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:30.120 dirty water in the desert. 1:52:30.439 --> 1:52:33.720 It's a desert that's coming out at workout that's coming out, 1:52:34.000 --> 1:52:35.400 and it's gonna be dope and you're gonna love it. 1:52:36.280 --> 1:52:36.960 I'm not saying that. 1:52:37.200 --> 1:52:39.160 I'm just saying, Frank, dirty water in the Desert sound 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:41.719 like a Frank Ocean song, honestly, if you're. 1:52:41.560 --> 1:52:43.920 Gonna have like you talked about a bunch of nothing. 1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:50.200 But the point I'm saying is like, Nah, Frank Ocean 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:53.040 is not Ray Parker Junior. What the fuck is wrong 1:52:53.120 --> 1:52:55.280 with y'all? Dirty water in the desert? 1:52:57.560 --> 1:52:58.479 Right there? That's right. 1:53:00.160 --> 1:53:05.120 At best? That could be where yet damn at best? 1:53:05.200 --> 1:53:06.400 You talk about singing wise? 1:53:08.920 --> 1:53:14.000 No, song wise, I'm sure I couldn't say, but nothing. 1:53:15.360 --> 1:53:18.680 But he had a cool jam or too. Yeah, got 1:53:19.479 --> 1:53:28.960 a couple of sons, but he can't. No, But that's 1:53:29.000 --> 1:53:29.360 my point. 1:53:29.479 --> 1:53:32.280 Would you couldn't. Back in the day, people were more 1:53:32.320 --> 1:53:35.240 of a stickler for talent. Today people just don't care 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:37.280 that we're into your brand. We don't even care about 1:53:37.320 --> 1:53:39.320 your talent. Can we fuck with you as a person? 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:41.040 Do we believe in your movement? 1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:42.040 You feel me? 1:53:42.280 --> 1:53:44.760 That's the point, right, Frank, is in the time where 1:53:44.800 --> 1:53:46.800 we care about that stuff, and then we judged the 1:53:46.880 --> 1:53:47.720 music based off that. 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:49.880 I'll be sure it was in the time. Nigga. 1:53:49.920 --> 1:53:52.680 If you can't sing, nigga, your ship better be over 1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:56.280 the top. Remember Keith sweat career ain't like these other 1:53:56.360 --> 1:54:00.640 niggas careers. He sweat got a decent career, good to do. 1:54:01.720 --> 1:54:04.720 Don't have a career like Prince Like he didn't have 1:54:04.800 --> 1:54:08.479 a career, like the talented people, Bobby Brown, neither their 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:11.960 career is wasn't like that, not like Michael Jack, like 1:54:12.040 --> 1:54:15.439 the right now Frank Ocean could probably do fifty thousand 1:54:15.520 --> 1:54:16.120 fucking people. 1:54:16.760 --> 1:54:17.320 Do you think so? 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:17.960 Yes? 1:54:18.120 --> 1:54:19.280 But marginal bones. 1:54:19.439 --> 1:54:22.040 I think if I think if Thinking About You or 1:54:22.240 --> 1:54:27.000 Pyramids came on right now to a group of twenty 1:54:27.120 --> 1:54:29.679 five year olds, it'd be kind of like Pony Hitting 1:54:30.120 --> 1:54:31.639 to a bunch of forty five year olds. 1:54:32.240 --> 1:54:36.840 No, coach novcme man, No, don't think he has an 1:54:36.880 --> 1:54:38.800 appeal on the age. But I think that's a lot 1:54:38.840 --> 1:54:40.880 of things. But the problem is when music don't go 1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:44.520 through generations, that's the problem. None of us was born 1:54:44.560 --> 1:54:46.640 at the same time that My Girl by the Temptations 1:54:46.680 --> 1:54:47.000 came out. 1:54:47.160 --> 1:54:49.440 Nigga, we fuck with it like we was our grandparents, 1:54:49.480 --> 1:54:50.520 so won was that shit. We'd be like, oh, this 1:54:50.640 --> 1:54:53.520 thing bumping true. We can start from. 1:54:53.480 --> 1:54:57.800 Every list you can hear songs from the fifties, sixties, seventies, 1:54:57.920 --> 1:54:58.600 eighty nineties. 1:54:58.640 --> 1:55:00.280 You get right now if you're here, but before I 1:55:00.360 --> 1:55:02.160 let go, he don't got it before I let go. 1:55:03.600 --> 1:55:05.320 He don't have those kind of songs. 1:55:05.360 --> 1:55:07.640 He has songs that matter to the generation of people 1:55:07.720 --> 1:55:10.480 he's putting out music to because they're into his brand. 1:55:10.640 --> 1:55:12.280 When I even over Can, I'm like, oh, this is okay. 1:55:12.360 --> 1:55:15.800 I fuck with this. That's like a cool B side 1:55:15.880 --> 1:55:19.400 to one of my favorite singers, probably worst album singing. 1:55:19.800 --> 1:55:24.720 But bro, the're about to say that that's not fair 1:55:24.760 --> 1:55:27.400 what you're doing. Only time on tell if them songs 1:55:27.520 --> 1:55:30.120 gonna last like that though, And I can tell you 1:55:30.240 --> 1:55:33.640 when when My Girl came out, our people probably wouldn't say, O, 1:55:33.680 --> 1:55:35.120 this is gonna be This is gonna be a jam 1:55:35.440 --> 1:55:36.360 in twenty twenty. 1:55:38.440 --> 1:55:41.440 Now, Nova King ain't a great damn now, it's not one. 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:44.120 To this generation. 1:55:44.280 --> 1:55:48.320 It is, but you're missing the point. It's not to generation. 1:55:48.520 --> 1:55:50.880 My Girl was a jam to everybody who heard it. 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:56.320 Nigga Make It Last Forever was a jam to everybody 1:55:56.360 --> 1:55:57.840 who heard it, even though we couldn't sing. 1:55:57.920 --> 1:55:59.880 It was old people who liked real singing. I was like, 1:56:00.080 --> 1:56:02.040 it's all right, I think thinking about you. Come on 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:03.560 right now, everybody starts not in their head. 1:56:04.880 --> 1:56:07.760 I think he has a marginal Frank Ocean don't have 1:56:07.960 --> 1:56:09.680 a Jamie Fox. 1:56:10.680 --> 1:56:15.240 What's the Jamie Fox out and style? It's better than 1:56:15.320 --> 1:56:17.800 both of Frank Ocean's album okay. 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:20.800 And I I think for me stylistically, for me, I 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:22.640 think so, I think there. I think it's better because 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:25.000 I think Jamie. You know, I'm not a Frank Ocean. 1:56:25.600 --> 1:56:29.200 Sing Jamie Fox. You know, fran Ocean not fan. I'm 1:56:29.200 --> 1:56:31.320 just keeping Marilla about Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean don't have 1:56:31.360 --> 1:56:33.280 an unpredictable I think Frank. 1:56:33.640 --> 1:56:35.520 I think Frank Ocean. I mean, I think Jamie Fox 1:56:35.640 --> 1:56:38.000 is more talented than Frank Ocean. For sure, singing wise, 1:56:38.320 --> 1:56:38.600 he is. 1:56:39.000 --> 1:56:41.720 More talented period. But that's the point I'm saying to you. 1:56:41.840 --> 1:56:44.440 It's like Frank Ocean is. I'm not talking shit on 1:56:44.520 --> 1:56:47.800 Frank Ocean. I'm only saying, in the pantheon a really 1:56:47.880 --> 1:56:50.879 great R and B talent X, he's not. He wouldn't 1:56:50.920 --> 1:56:54.320 be there. He's there now because of how music is 1:56:54.440 --> 1:56:57.280 consumed Now, it's more about the visuals, how you consume things. 1:56:57.320 --> 1:56:59.840 Are you with the movement? Blah blah blah. Then the 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:01.360 last thing you do is hear it. 1:57:01.520 --> 1:57:04.200 But I do think Frank is more Keith than al 1:57:04.440 --> 1:57:07.160 though that's crazy. I'll be sure it's crazy. 1:57:07.840 --> 1:57:11.280 Because because keep Sweat and keep Sweat byself nigga, that 1:57:11.320 --> 1:57:14.840 means Frank would have to have Teddy Bright. Teddy Roddy 1:57:14.960 --> 1:57:18.320 is important in Keith Sweat's career, Like that's everything, Like 1:57:18.480 --> 1:57:20.760 that's why it was what it was. That album set 1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:26.000 off a whole successful genre of shit happened. And honestly, 1:57:26.280 --> 1:57:27.920 I'm not mad at the thought because that could be 1:57:27.960 --> 1:57:31.680 a fair comparison. Keith Sweat is a lot like uh. 1:57:32.040 --> 1:57:34.960 Keith Sweat is a lot like uh. Frank Ocean is 1:57:34.960 --> 1:57:37.760 a lot like Keith Sweat, but he didn't have Teddy Riley. 1:57:38.240 --> 1:57:41.840 That's the problem. Somebody who understood music enough to make 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:46.000 something that would create this different thing. Now he does 1:57:46.080 --> 1:57:47.960 have a movement that people follow him. I think Frank 1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:50.640 Ocean got a lot of Frank Ocean clones. 1:57:50.960 --> 1:57:53.600 But it's like, again, if you not starting with make 1:57:53.640 --> 1:57:56.200 it last forever, then what you're starting with now. 1:57:56.360 --> 1:57:59.080 But I am kind of confused market Kip just got 1:57:59.120 --> 1:57:59.600 paid from that. 1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:01.640 Frank, I am confused on. 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:04.880 How their marketing Frank Ocean, though, I wonder what is 1:58:04.920 --> 1:58:09.960 the plan with that but the poor ship, Like, I 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:12.320 mean just as fear him not putting out music and. 1:58:14.360 --> 1:58:17.280 Like, but I don't think you need to believe that 1:58:17.360 --> 1:58:20.320 you need a bunch of music. Is bullshit? Really need 1:58:20.480 --> 1:58:22.640 some music, though, Like, you can't just live off the 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:23.520 two albums forever. 1:58:23.600 --> 1:58:26.120 And the people that look the Onmie John John Quinn 1:58:26.280 --> 1:58:28.640 swear by that motherfucker, and he only got a couple 1:58:28.680 --> 1:58:31.600 of albums. People sometimes swear by that ship. As long 1:58:31.640 --> 1:58:34.400 as his music is touching people is working. I think 1:58:34.520 --> 1:58:36.400 Todd dallas Sign is a better R and B act. 1:58:36.440 --> 1:58:38.520 I'm not saying he's more successful, but I think he's. 1:58:38.440 --> 1:58:40.640 A much better act. Can't Tie sing to you. He 1:58:40.680 --> 1:58:43.280 seems better than Frank Ocean. That's the problem. Ty Be 1:58:43.320 --> 1:58:49.360 smoking cigarettes thinkings better than Frank Ocean is just this unanimous. 1:58:49.680 --> 1:58:51.800 I probably wouldn't say's unanimous. But I've heard both of 1:58:51.880 --> 1:58:52.240 them sing. 1:58:53.200 --> 1:58:54.640 I never I heard Ty in person. 1:58:55.000 --> 1:58:57.640 I never heard how to Ty sound in person. 1:58:58.160 --> 1:58:58.560 Is he good? 1:58:58.880 --> 1:58:59.400 Yeah, he's good. 1:58:59.480 --> 1:59:03.240 He's dope, like he's not like he's not a singer. 1:59:03.840 --> 1:59:06.320 He messed his voice up too, so it's tired out 1:59:06.920 --> 1:59:11.280 it's Nate Dog a better singer than No No, So 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:12.840 TI is a better singer than Nate Dog. 1:59:13.840 --> 1:59:15.840 Why are you bringing up everybody? R I p man. 1:59:16.240 --> 1:59:18.560 I'm sorry, No, that is I mean not saying I 1:59:18.640 --> 1:59:20.160 think because I think. I kind of when I think 1:59:20.160 --> 1:59:22.480 about I kind of think about Nate for sometimes as 1:59:22.520 --> 1:59:24.800 far as hooks, and he do way more than hooks. 1:59:24.880 --> 1:59:30.480 Tis different. Nate is very very straightforward with his approach. 1:59:32.320 --> 1:59:33.160 Got depth for sure. 1:59:33.600 --> 1:59:35.600 Tie is like Rick James. To me, I always called, 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:40.920 oh ship, come on, bro, I know, like Rick James. 1:59:41.280 --> 1:59:44.960 That's how he approached Frank. Frank is closer to what's 1:59:45.040 --> 1:59:48.840 his face and tires to Rick James, closer. He's closer 1:59:48.880 --> 1:59:51.440 to Keys Web than tis to Rick James. 1:59:52.520 --> 2:00:01.920 Not about that nigga, man, bro, so I get busy. 2:00:01.960 --> 2:00:04.840 I ain't gonna even play with that nigga. That nigga. Yeah, 2:00:05.080 --> 2:00:06.000 that nigga's the truth. 2:00:06.400 --> 2:00:06.680 You know what? 2:00:06.800 --> 2:00:09.040 Let me rethink that because Ty is tight, Like now 2:00:09.080 --> 2:00:10.200 I'm thinking about he is dope. 2:00:10.720 --> 2:00:15.360 He just got something he is Like watching him work 2:00:15.400 --> 2:00:18.280 in the lab and like I love seeing different people's 2:00:18.520 --> 2:00:21.000 like how they approach writing and stuff like that. He 2:00:21.200 --> 2:00:23.840 just he heard things differently. 2:00:25.720 --> 2:00:28.920 Lie, I've seen him. He wanted the coldest motherfuckers I've 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:33.400 been in the studio with. Watch him make some ship. 2:00:34.240 --> 2:00:37.280 Rick James is high praise though No, Rick Jameson is 2:00:37.280 --> 2:00:39.880 obviously on the panthem. I'm saying, but that's to me 2:00:41.680 --> 2:00:43.760 historically that his problem is he don't want to make 2:00:43.800 --> 2:00:44.360 street songs. 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:48.720 Ty wants to be babyface, but he's more than James naturally, 2:00:49.800 --> 2:00:52.720 but he kind of pursues babyface of making more of 2:00:52.760 --> 2:00:56.040 these kind of R and B ballads versus making street songs. 2:00:57.280 --> 2:00:59.640 Street songs Like if Todd just decided I'm going to 2:00:59.720 --> 2:01:02.560 make a bunch of ship that everybody could have fun 2:01:02.640 --> 2:01:05.320 too and enjoy this ship too, it'd be over. 2:01:07.160 --> 2:01:07.320 I know. 2:01:08.480 --> 2:01:08.640 I know. 2:01:08.720 --> 2:01:11.920 We got on marketing and and and artists and artistry, 2:01:12.000 --> 2:01:14.640 but I had a question about an artist that I 2:01:14.800 --> 2:01:16.800 wonder how is he getting marketed? And he seemed like 2:01:16.840 --> 2:01:18.640 he had a problem with how he's getting marketed or 2:01:18.640 --> 2:01:20.000 how he's portrayed as an artist. 2:01:20.360 --> 2:01:21.040 And that's why A. 2:01:22.800 --> 2:01:23.720 Is really talented too. 2:01:24.880 --> 2:01:27.520 Yeah, but don't y'all feel like I mean, when you 2:01:27.520 --> 2:01:29.760 guys hear people talk about him. He talked about himself. 2:01:30.040 --> 2:01:31.960 He feels I think he feels like he should be bigger. 2:01:32.320 --> 2:01:34.160 He should I think he I think I agree with 2:01:34.320 --> 2:01:35.000 how he feels. 2:01:35.360 --> 2:01:38.120 But but but that's also because that's a perfect example 2:01:38.240 --> 2:01:40.840 somebody with talent, probably. 2:01:42.520 --> 2:01:44.400 You have to figure out how to market Then what's 2:01:44.480 --> 2:01:48.240 the hitch? Oh do you think being marketable? Is it 2:01:48.320 --> 2:01:50.080 talent us or no? 2:01:51.520 --> 2:01:53.680 Bad bad not a talent? 2:01:54.360 --> 2:01:56.080 No, I was gonna say that. I think I think 2:01:56.160 --> 2:01:58.839 with this mess was was the way he was introduced 2:01:58.840 --> 2:02:01.240 to him, same with the lady got got song. So 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:02.680 he stayed in that bag right there. 2:02:04.000 --> 2:02:06.760 That's the problem. I think, just you have to figure 2:02:06.800 --> 2:02:10.920 out what why are people connecting to you while is 2:02:11.000 --> 2:02:15.760 really talented. That's the one thing that dope. So again 2:02:16.000 --> 2:02:18.880 like he didn't figure it out, like coal, like right, 2:02:19.080 --> 2:02:20.000 like coal or dot? 2:02:20.120 --> 2:02:23.080 Where them niggas, forgive me for lack of better terms, 2:02:23.080 --> 2:02:24.840 them niggas went looking homeless. 2:02:24.600 --> 2:02:28.280 And ship and put they hear they look like backpack niggas. 2:02:28.320 --> 2:02:30.320 They used to do a thousand things to give off 2:02:30.360 --> 2:02:33.080 the field of what they were projected while a was 2:02:33.160 --> 2:02:36.240 always in no man's land. While they would have probably 2:02:36.240 --> 2:02:37.840 been a bigger rapper in the nineties, you know what 2:02:37.840 --> 2:02:41.640 I'm saying he actually is just dope. Them niggas is dope, 2:02:41.680 --> 2:02:44.800 but they also figured out how people how they needed 2:02:44.840 --> 2:02:48.880 to be marketed, while A was just like a regular 2:02:49.000 --> 2:02:50.520 DC nigga that was just dope. 2:02:51.320 --> 2:02:53.280 And you know exactly too. 2:02:53.960 --> 2:02:55.640 I feel like if you would, I feel like if 2:02:55.640 --> 2:02:58.160 you would have dived into his DC like he did 2:02:58.200 --> 2:02:59.880 it though he ended up doing it, though it would 2:02:59.920 --> 2:03:01.480 have work. Then if you look down into like yo, 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:03.800 the Go Go ship all the way and like that, 2:03:03.960 --> 2:03:07.160 you know what I'm saying, just what was try to 2:03:07.200 --> 2:03:11.200 get into It's just some magging dope records. He made 2:03:11.240 --> 2:03:14.680 dope record, you know what, Like he got tho like 2:03:14.800 --> 2:03:17.040 low key. I remem about seening the post one time, 2:03:17.160 --> 2:03:20.160 like like while they kept R and B alive when 2:03:20.200 --> 2:03:21.240 I was dead. 2:03:21.600 --> 2:03:24.200 And that's really and you know what's really, that's really 2:03:24.240 --> 2:03:26.400 what he is. He's really an R and B ACT. 2:03:26.520 --> 2:03:29.480 I was just about to say that, asking, yeah, I 2:03:29.600 --> 2:03:32.360 was a rapper and if he would have died into that, 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:33.920 maybe that's how they should have market him. 2:03:33.920 --> 2:03:35.520 He's really an R and B act. 2:03:36.200 --> 2:03:36.720 Mm hmmm. 2:03:36.880 --> 2:03:38.760 That's kind of hip hop act. 2:03:39.160 --> 2:03:41.480 But if they're a lane for that though, they're a 2:03:41.520 --> 2:03:44.440 laying for an R and B rapper. That's not that's 2:03:44.480 --> 2:03:47.920 not harmonizing like Jaru or I think it is. 2:03:48.280 --> 2:03:52.000 I think rap has became so popularized, like singing like 2:03:52.200 --> 2:03:54.360 Mary J. Blige. Niggas fuck with Mary J Blige, like 2:03:54.440 --> 2:03:57.040 she was a hip hop act. Yeah that is true. 2:03:58.680 --> 2:04:02.240 Yeah, it's like you know what I mean, Like it's 2:04:02.320 --> 2:04:04.400 not easy to market, That's what I'm saying, Like even 2:04:04.440 --> 2:04:07.480 that whole conversation, Marketing is really hard because you gotta 2:04:07.560 --> 2:04:09.840 knel it and a lot of times the suits need 2:04:09.960 --> 2:04:13.400 to see something successful in you, Like they need to 2:04:13.480 --> 2:04:16.560 see you like Chris Brown. They saw Michael Jackson, but 2:04:16.680 --> 2:04:19.480 they spent so much money. I was like, oh yeah, 2:04:19.480 --> 2:04:22.520 this cause Chris was really Chris is really probably as 2:04:22.560 --> 2:04:26.320 talented as Michael Jackson, like as a talent, I mean, 2:04:26.360 --> 2:04:28.360 but he didn't have the discipline of a Joe Jackson 2:04:29.480 --> 2:04:31.879 put in the mic that discipline makes. 2:04:31.680 --> 2:04:34.120 You different, Chris, Like you see young Chris. 2:04:34.240 --> 2:04:36.280 Chris is like an animal. Like I remember the first 2:04:36.320 --> 2:04:38.880 time I saw tape on him, that nigga was like 2:04:39.520 --> 2:04:40.280 out of this world. 2:04:40.400 --> 2:04:43.240 He was like unbelievable. He's somebody. 2:04:43.280 --> 2:04:44.680 To this day, I'll still be like, yeah, I'm gonna 2:04:44.680 --> 2:04:46.640 get one with him before this shit is said and done. 2:04:47.200 --> 2:04:51.080 He's that Chris are doing with you too, Chris? Like 2:04:51.200 --> 2:04:53.160 that out there doing music, Chris, Chris. 2:04:54.040 --> 2:04:56.680 I mean, but so that's what I'm saying, like that, 2:04:56.800 --> 2:04:59.600 I wasn't shading TC, even if it comes across that way, 2:04:59.600 --> 2:05:00.000 I'm not sure. 2:05:00.040 --> 2:05:00.640 Ain't TLC. 2:05:00.720 --> 2:05:03.480 I'm just saying they're not necessarily the talent. It's really 2:05:03.560 --> 2:05:11.640 great marketing with average talent. That may be the greatest 2:05:11.760 --> 2:05:18.520 marketing job in the history of marketing jobs. TLC fantastic. 2:05:19.080 --> 2:05:24.120 No, No, who was I think the greatst greatest marketing 2:05:24.240 --> 2:05:28.600 jobs being able to market a blind person like like, 2:05:29.040 --> 2:05:29.800 that's what I feel like. 2:05:30.560 --> 2:05:32.960 Nice nigga, but he was nice, but he was a 2:05:33.080 --> 2:05:33.800 blind person. 2:05:34.080 --> 2:05:36.960 To saying that we ain't never seen I ain't never. 2:05:36.960 --> 2:05:41.160 Seen the word everybody with no that was? 2:05:41.280 --> 2:05:41.800 That was great. 2:05:42.680 --> 2:05:44.520 He wanted to sit out in front of seven eleven 2:05:44.560 --> 2:05:48.680 to make a thousand dollars a day, so y'all get 2:05:48.800 --> 2:05:50.560 the money to CV and not, Oh Mario. 2:05:50.960 --> 2:05:51.360 Nigga, what. 2:05:54.400 --> 2:05:54.640 Cold? 2:05:56.120 --> 2:05:57.720 I'm not giving money to nobody? 2:05:59.000 --> 2:05:59.960 Everything who. 2:06:01.920 --> 2:06:04.680 Was marketing? Crazy though? Too? It was a great market wonder. 2:06:04.680 --> 2:06:07.040 Ain't no great market and Stevie Wonder regular nigga that 2:06:07.200 --> 2:06:07.760 just really. 2:06:09.040 --> 2:06:12.120 Bro. I mean Tivy Wonder was completely talented like like, 2:06:12.320 --> 2:06:13.960 but it wasn't that if we didn't see one before that, 2:06:14.160 --> 2:06:15.360 we had Ray Charles two before that. 2:06:15.720 --> 2:06:19.480 That's why nobody gambled. It was like, oh, yeah, we 2:06:19.560 --> 2:06:20.520 got this for sure. 2:06:20.600 --> 2:06:23.440 Here you go. This word is another one doing again, 2:06:23.640 --> 2:06:24.680 do the same thing again. 2:06:25.160 --> 2:06:30.640 Marketing, make another hulet even have a brand. Stevie Wonder 2:06:30.760 --> 2:06:32.240 was just like, I'm better than everybody that. 2:06:33.040 --> 2:06:38.160 It was like, niggas answer like, no brand, because. 2:06:37.960 --> 2:06:39.480 If you don't have no talent, that won't you won't 2:06:39.560 --> 2:06:43.200 sell no records. Stevie Wonder was just better than everybody. 2:06:43.640 --> 2:06:46.880 He was just flat out as a little kid than 2:06:47.760 --> 2:06:48.160 my bad. 2:06:51.840 --> 2:06:53.840 Yes, that that's a hitch for sure, but it's coming 2:06:53.880 --> 2:06:56.000 off the heels of Ray Charles, who was probably the 2:06:56.040 --> 2:06:58.400 biggest artist in the world at this time. It was 2:06:58.480 --> 2:07:01.000 just like early sixties. I think he came out at 2:07:01.080 --> 2:07:02.000 sixty and sixty. 2:07:02.720 --> 2:07:02.880 Yea. 2:07:03.280 --> 2:07:07.160 Ray Charles pretty much created the pop gramer, the pop charts. 2:07:07.600 --> 2:07:11.720 This nigga killing man mown people looking me come here 2:07:11.800 --> 2:07:14.560 right now? What another one of them? 2:07:17.840 --> 2:07:20.080 Every every instrument bro, he was. 2:07:20.120 --> 2:07:21.760 Better than this motherfucker as a kid. 2:07:21.920 --> 2:07:23.800 Now, Stevie Wonder Like, I can't say nothing about Stevie. 2:07:23.840 --> 2:07:25.000 Stevie is magical. 2:07:25.080 --> 2:07:26.880 You got to be to say you better than Ray Charles. 2:07:27.960 --> 2:07:30.440 He like that. 2:07:32.680 --> 2:07:33.440 Let me ask you a question. 2:07:33.560 --> 2:07:35.840 Do you think Stevie would have hit his heights? Because 2:07:35.840 --> 2:07:38.160 he was great? But would he had been as big 2:07:38.200 --> 2:07:39.520 as he was if he wasn't blind? 2:07:40.760 --> 2:07:43.760 The story, it just depends, because that's what I'm it's 2:07:43.840 --> 2:07:47.040 the story depends on what people are connected to. They 2:07:47.120 --> 2:07:52.080 connected to that backstory. But that nigga give it wasn't 2:07:52.080 --> 2:07:54.560 no gimmick. He's blind and could play better than everybody. 2:07:55.160 --> 2:07:57.440 You can sing good, but he got a built in gimmick, 2:07:57.600 --> 2:07:58.400 like he gotta. 2:08:00.240 --> 2:08:00.400 Coach. 2:08:00.480 --> 2:08:03.560 You get it, Coach, Coach say, I don't think it's 2:08:03.600 --> 2:08:05.920 a gimmick At that point, I think the reality is like, 2:08:06.640 --> 2:08:08.200 oh yeah, he's Ray Charles as a kid. 2:08:10.040 --> 2:08:11.600 That's like if I was a blind boxer, but I 2:08:11.720 --> 2:08:19.840 was the best? Ask makes it different? 2:08:19.920 --> 2:08:22.120 The only thing that make Floyd Mayweather, the only thing 2:08:22.120 --> 2:08:23.840 that can make Floyd made with Way with her bigger 2:08:23.880 --> 2:08:24.880 is if he was blind. 2:08:27.480 --> 2:08:32.200 Of sports exactly, but but but also how good they 2:08:32.480 --> 2:08:34.320 TLC was not that good. 2:08:34.680 --> 2:08:36.680 No, they wasn't Stevie wonder good. No, I'm not saying 2:08:36.720 --> 2:08:37.160 that good. 2:08:37.600 --> 2:08:39.920 I'm not even talking that far out there. I'm talking 2:08:39.920 --> 2:08:42.840 about they wasn't even good. I just think I just 2:08:42.920 --> 2:08:48.840 think TLC had that that. I'm not disagreeing they do 2:08:48.960 --> 2:08:51.400 have a starquald, but I think that that is something. 2:08:51.480 --> 2:08:54.640 It's a that is a talent in himself that everybody 2:08:54.640 --> 2:08:56.840 don't got that, that is something unique that everybody don't 2:08:56.840 --> 2:08:57.280 go talent. 2:08:57.360 --> 2:08:59.760 That's that's a gift. A talent is something you develop 2:09:00.120 --> 2:09:03.040 jazz off the half. That's a gift. They do have 2:09:03.160 --> 2:09:07.360 the effector, but again, like I don't even know Stevie 2:09:07.400 --> 2:09:09.400 wanted to have the affect. Who the fuck cares. When 2:09:09.440 --> 2:09:11.440 you're that fucking good at something. 2:09:11.760 --> 2:09:15.520 Whatever and you're blind, yeah you're gonna be fantastic. People. 2:09:16.800 --> 2:09:21.600 Prince ain't blind. There's some other motherfuckers like that get 2:09:21.720 --> 2:09:24.520 cracking as big as a mother facer. If Prince was blind, 2:09:24.560 --> 2:09:25.440 he'd be Michael Jackson. 2:09:26.040 --> 2:09:31.560 Yeah probably, yeah, no, probably, So that'd be what he needed, 2:09:33.440 --> 2:09:35.520 what he needed. That'd be what he needed because you. 2:09:35.640 --> 2:09:36.160 Need some ship. 2:09:36.280 --> 2:09:41.280 So I think TLC is an average talent marginal talent right, 2:09:41.520 --> 2:09:43.160 very much if factor star quality. 2:09:43.240 --> 2:09:46.480 But man, the marketing the real superstars was the team. 2:09:46.960 --> 2:09:50.760 The team was like incredible. I think they did their job, man, 2:09:50.840 --> 2:09:54.280 but I think the stars were TLC. I think they did. 2:09:54.360 --> 2:09:56.160 I think they did a great job. I think they 2:09:56.200 --> 2:09:56.800 did awesome. 2:09:57.320 --> 2:10:01.120 I think the team was. But TLC almost sucked it 2:10:01.200 --> 2:10:01.920 up a lot of times. 2:10:06.000 --> 2:10:07.680 I don't know, man, I think I think they probably 2:10:07.840 --> 2:10:10.920 just maybe it was fifty fifty maybe TC. Oh no, 2:10:11.320 --> 2:10:14.720 I'm saying because they had no hell they had another TLC. 2:10:15.280 --> 2:10:21.520 Hell no, it was just left too hell No, well no, 2:10:21.640 --> 2:10:30.040 damn fifty fifty. Fifty to fifty is like fifty to 2:10:30.080 --> 2:10:31.000 fifty is new edition. 2:10:34.800 --> 2:10:35.480 Yeah, because the. 2:10:36.160 --> 2:10:38.560 Four niggas act the singing, it's three niggas sing they 2:10:38.600 --> 2:10:39.040 ass off. 2:10:40.760 --> 2:10:44.880 But while we the TC so we acting like TOC 2:10:45.120 --> 2:10:45.640 wasn't one of. 2:10:45.920 --> 2:10:48.960 I'm telling you because one of them is not. They're 2:10:49.040 --> 2:10:49.720 not one of one. 2:10:49.960 --> 2:10:50.080 Right. 2:10:50.160 --> 2:10:53.240 They've had bands that are successful. They've had that. They've 2:10:53.240 --> 2:10:58.120 had successful that we've had who they name so was 2:10:58.240 --> 2:11:00.680 s W V T O C. But now you're going 2:11:00.760 --> 2:11:02.280 into the voices. 2:11:02.360 --> 2:11:03.280 That's just the voices. 2:11:03.720 --> 2:11:06.520 Yeah, they can't say, but they was never they not 2:11:06.600 --> 2:11:09.040 no t C. But think about it, Brad, t C, 2:11:09.360 --> 2:11:10.000 you had you. 2:11:10.080 --> 2:11:13.640 Had SVV records are way more time was t C. 2:11:14.360 --> 2:11:15.280 Would you say six. 2:11:16.840 --> 2:11:20.080 These records are way more timeless than t o C records. 2:11:21.800 --> 2:11:33.080 Rain right now, this will go crazy, damn. 2:11:35.480 --> 2:11:37.360 And I love s w V, but I think that's 2:11:37.360 --> 2:11:45.480 coming from yeah, definitely right here. 2:11:47.400 --> 2:11:48.800 I don't even know if dene chld is t C 2:11:48.920 --> 2:11:52.240 bro Like I think Beyonce was way bigger than Deny Childs. 2:11:52.280 --> 2:11:55.320 Ever was Jesse Childs was big, but it wasn't tl 2:11:55.400 --> 2:11:55.760 C big. 2:11:56.160 --> 2:11:58.800 Which about following the group. That's what I'm testing, the 2:11:58.880 --> 2:12:02.760 same thing. Desney's Child is t LC. It's the same ship. 2:12:04.880 --> 2:12:08.080 No, because you ain't get a you ain't get a 2:12:08.760 --> 2:12:12.840 Beyonce out out of TLC because the talent. 2:12:13.200 --> 2:12:16.600 I think Beyonce was the because I think t C 2:12:16.760 --> 2:12:18.960 was tl C. I think beyond stars. You got two 2:12:19.040 --> 2:12:19.760 stars out of there. 2:12:19.840 --> 2:12:26.080 Kelly Kelly the star, probably a bigger solo start than 2:12:26.120 --> 2:12:29.320 both than anybody TLC you think left. 2:12:29.360 --> 2:12:30.760 That would have been a bigger starting all of them 2:12:31.160 --> 2:12:32.640 than if she an't passed away, though. 2:12:32.640 --> 2:12:34.280 You had to. She had to be the one. But 2:12:34.400 --> 2:12:34.800 I don't know. 2:12:35.920 --> 2:12:38.760 Yeah, I don't know because it was different. 2:12:39.440 --> 2:12:41.920 Cast away from the Bay, he said, Desney's child is 2:12:42.000 --> 2:12:46.960 TLC with talent? Who who's that that cast away from 2:12:47.000 --> 2:12:49.440 the Bay? That's boy, what you say? 2:12:49.560 --> 2:12:55.720 What you say? Since I don't remember they tried to 2:12:55.800 --> 2:12:58.959 make They tried to make t l C a couple. 2:12:58.720 --> 2:13:02.600 Of times, though w I was a really bad attempt. 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:07.600 I'm just saying, yeah, again, I'm not saying, but also, 2:13:07.720 --> 2:13:12.200 everybody not the team that made TLC. That team was incredible. 2:13:12.680 --> 2:13:16.240 I agree, I think their team ain't quite like TLC team. 2:13:17.320 --> 2:13:19.120 Who I would like to know who was who was 2:13:19.200 --> 2:13:20.080 three r W team? 2:13:20.800 --> 2:13:24.280 He wasn't motherfucker. They wasn't nothing of their mother motherfuckers. 2:13:24.920 --> 2:13:29.320 I'm just saying, man, like I'm just I'm just trying 2:13:29.360 --> 2:13:30.360 to give TLC that credit. 2:13:30.440 --> 2:13:30.520 Man. 2:13:30.560 --> 2:13:33.240 I think y'all taking away from TLC a little too much, 2:13:34.080 --> 2:13:34.840 a little too much. 2:13:35.240 --> 2:13:39.680 TLC had baby faced Jermaine Duprie, Dallas Austin, l A 2:13:39.840 --> 2:13:42.000 read Daryl Simmons working on. 2:13:42.320 --> 2:13:44.400 Let me ask your question, dude. Okay, and that was 2:13:44.440 --> 2:13:47.560 a great team, but did he make some of them? Also, 2:13:47.800 --> 2:13:48.840 Dallas Austin. 2:13:50.920 --> 2:13:54.760 Already called no, they didn't. They think Dallas Austin was already. 2:13:55.000 --> 2:13:58.200 They didn't. They didn't play no games. They didn't. 2:13:58.240 --> 2:14:00.480 They went and got the best motherfucker just to do it. 2:14:01.400 --> 2:14:04.760 Remember this was babyface wife, old lady. She went and 2:14:04.880 --> 2:14:06.800 got the best motherfuckers to do it. It was the 2:14:06.880 --> 2:14:12.160 best choreo, best choreographers, the best fashioned, the best writers, 2:14:12.200 --> 2:14:15.040 the best producers. You see what Jamain p Jermain du 2:14:15.040 --> 2:14:16.640 Prix had already had a number one song by this 2:14:16.680 --> 2:14:18.280 point in the country. 2:14:19.000 --> 2:14:22.920 They didn't play. They went and got cracking. 2:14:25.160 --> 2:14:28.360 They damn sure cracking. No, for sure, I agree with that, 2:14:32.600 --> 2:14:32.800 you know. 2:14:33.600 --> 2:14:36.440 But just what the saying said they wasn't talented. It's crazy. 2:14:37.360 --> 2:14:38.880 I never said that wasn't talented. 2:14:39.400 --> 2:14:42.080 I didn't say they wasn't talented. I'm just saying I couldn't. 2:14:42.080 --> 2:14:46.440 It was marn't quite recognize their talent as much as 2:14:46.680 --> 2:14:47.320 they just give them. 2:14:47.720 --> 2:14:50.440 On the talent scale, Yeah, about a four. 2:14:51.560 --> 2:14:53.840 I think they delivered on the records store. They delivered 2:14:53.880 --> 2:14:54.440 on the records. 2:14:54.600 --> 2:14:59.640 Yeah, I think so. That's a f was for it 2:14:59.800 --> 2:15:02.280 was sport too long, a tele scale for them, force 2:15:02.320 --> 2:15:02.720 too long. 2:15:03.480 --> 2:15:06.880 I get him. All about about seven seven is a 2:15:06.960 --> 2:15:10.400 lot seven at what on the way they deliver it. 2:15:10.440 --> 2:15:12.720 They delivered you know what I'm saying. 2:15:13.840 --> 2:15:16.200 You're doing the work, Like do they dance a seven? 2:15:16.480 --> 2:15:19.720 What about black? Remember that girl group? They didn't have 2:15:19.800 --> 2:15:23.760 fucking babyface. Yeah, the machine came run about the same time. 2:15:24.480 --> 2:15:30.440 Yeah, machine'll see though seven O two seven. 2:15:31.200 --> 2:15:33.400 Shut out to roughly and TV three h W seven 2:15:33.440 --> 2:15:37.480 O two in black and but them combined wouldn't TLC. 2:15:38.520 --> 2:15:40.760 Yeah, but I think again, you gotta look at how 2:15:40.840 --> 2:15:44.120 many Look at what Jermaine dupre did to Bratt, Look 2:15:44.120 --> 2:15:46.280 at what Jamaine dupri did for Chris Cross. 2:15:46.360 --> 2:15:48.920 Look at what Jermaine dupri did that. And that was 2:15:49.000 --> 2:15:53.760 just Jermaine Duprix. That wasn't babyface and pebbles everybody else. 2:15:53.920 --> 2:15:55.200 That was just Jermaine Duprix. 2:15:58.880 --> 2:16:02.080 The more I think about it, I'm really think till 2:16:02.200 --> 2:16:05.840 C was on that Lidas vibe like Ali was way more. 2:16:06.480 --> 2:16:07.240 I'm saying, like, what did that? 2:16:07.320 --> 2:16:07.800 What did she do? 2:16:12.920 --> 2:16:13.640 So you got. 2:16:15.080 --> 2:16:19.360 Her answers than TLC. I don't know, man, she wasn't 2:16:19.360 --> 2:16:21.720 the greatest dancer of all time. She she could dance 2:16:21.760 --> 2:16:24.360 a little bit like t might have danced better than her. 2:16:24.680 --> 2:16:26.960 And that far as singing goes man, Ali wasn't the 2:16:27.080 --> 2:16:29.760 greatest singer of all time. Man, she was a better 2:16:29.840 --> 2:16:32.040 singer than TLC, but not so much. 2:16:31.960 --> 2:16:34.039 Better than that. Mhm. 2:16:35.560 --> 2:16:39.320 I think you're underestimate how good Chili and T Boss sing. No, 2:16:40.440 --> 2:16:42.240 you give him before you gave him a for a singer, 2:16:44.320 --> 2:16:46.280 I don't think. I think what's the LEAs as far 2:16:46.320 --> 2:16:49.200 as the singer goes about six okay, And I think 2:16:49.240 --> 2:16:50.480 till she was probably about. 2:16:50.240 --> 2:16:52.840 To sing, she could have never sang T Box, could 2:16:52.840 --> 2:16:56.160 have never sang none of Chili, not a single one 2:16:56.480 --> 2:16:57.760 that none of them would have been big. 2:16:59.200 --> 2:17:03.080 It's cold you sing a song is different. I'm just 2:17:03.160 --> 2:17:06.280 saying because Leah had that machine behind her. Also, no, 2:17:06.480 --> 2:17:08.960 she had a good machine, she had r Kelly. But 2:17:09.080 --> 2:17:12.560 I'm saying she could sing better than TLC. I think 2:17:12.600 --> 2:17:15.600 she could sing somewhat better than TLC, but it. 2:17:15.640 --> 2:17:22.600 Wasn't like it wasn't. I think Lia is a better 2:17:22.640 --> 2:17:24.080 single than TLC singer. 2:17:26.040 --> 2:17:32.320 I would think so. I've never really heard T Bars 2:17:32.400 --> 2:17:36.119 or Chili's like raw vocals, so I would have to hear. 2:17:36.480 --> 2:17:39.160 But just their records weren't close to each other. So 2:17:40.560 --> 2:17:43.600 but just from the just a consumer ear, I feel 2:17:43.640 --> 2:17:45.000 like a Lia's voice was better. 2:17:45.080 --> 2:17:46.560 By far and Lea is about a six. 2:17:46.680 --> 2:17:48.160 But I don't know if it was about Far though, 2:17:48.320 --> 2:17:50.720 like I think Far, I think it at least because 2:17:50.720 --> 2:17:52.360 I do think I do think a Lias sings better 2:17:52.400 --> 2:17:52.720 than them. 2:17:52.760 --> 2:17:53.959 I don't think it's by but what I'm. 2:17:53.800 --> 2:17:55.560 Saying, So that's what I'm saying. So if you made 2:17:55.640 --> 2:17:57.760 TLC at seven, then that, I mean, the lead would 2:17:57.760 --> 2:17:58.200 have to be a A. 2:17:58.360 --> 2:18:00.720 I ain't got TLC at seven now or six? I 2:18:00.800 --> 2:18:02.800 said six, and that means would have to be a 2:18:02.879 --> 2:18:03.520 seven or eight. 2:18:03.800 --> 2:18:06.800 Maybe she'ason seven, seven and a half. Now you're getting crazy. 2:18:08.240 --> 2:18:12.440 Seven gotta be a sing to be a seven eight seven? 2:18:12.920 --> 2:18:15.360 Give her seven. I think you've given her a No. 2:18:15.440 --> 2:18:18.160 I gave her six because you kN t C a four. 2:18:18.760 --> 2:18:21.720 That's why, because to get up in the numbers, think 2:18:21.760 --> 2:18:27.160 before is a crazy is like a number. Okay, you 2:18:27.240 --> 2:18:34.039 gotta you said vocally, and people swear by vocally vocally, 2:18:34.520 --> 2:18:36.400 people swear by Brandy Brandy. 2:18:38.720 --> 2:18:43.600 Vocally. That's what I'm saying, sixty buggets brand that's the 2:18:43.760 --> 2:18:44.480 vocal bible. 2:18:44.600 --> 2:18:49.080 Brandy is a vocally nigga yes yes, and he's a 2:18:49.160 --> 2:18:56.480 ten vocally yes yes. In my mind right there, right there, 2:18:57.280 --> 2:19:01.200 and Brandy, Brandy's right there, and she got Brandy got 2:19:01.240 --> 2:19:04.160 a little more range because her low tone is crazy. 2:19:04.560 --> 2:19:07.520 This is crazy right now, hold up, now that's your 2:19:07.600 --> 2:19:11.440 second take right there, Yeah, brand like y'all. 2:19:11.560 --> 2:19:14.120 Now, Brandy a lot of props and everybody's heard her 2:19:14.240 --> 2:19:15.720 technically trained, but she's not. 2:19:15.760 --> 2:19:16.200 The singing with. 2:19:17.120 --> 2:19:21.800 Brandy's a ten. Whatever Whitney is, is Brandy well or whatever? 2:19:23.840 --> 2:19:26.080 Twelve or thirteen? Brandy's a ten. 2:19:26.240 --> 2:19:27.440 I don't care. Brandy is not. 2:19:28.920 --> 2:19:29.440 The money. 2:19:34.160 --> 2:19:36.640 They called a vocal bible. They called the vocal bible. 2:19:36.879 --> 2:19:37.960 Whitney Houston call her that. 2:19:38.840 --> 2:19:41.119 Whitney Houston called Brandy the vocal bible. 2:19:41.200 --> 2:19:45.000 Bro Brandes were used to said that I thought that 2:19:45.120 --> 2:19:49.600 was sweet, But Brandy cannot sing as good as Whitney Houston. 2:19:50.480 --> 2:19:53.560 Brandy is so wherever y'all want to put cool ten 2:19:53.680 --> 2:19:55.360 point one maybe the. 2:19:55.480 --> 2:20:00.680 Greatest female vocalist ever. That's area better singing to Brandy. 2:20:01.560 --> 2:20:08.039 Maria's carries if if Whitneys is a tin, I got 2:20:08.120 --> 2:20:09.280 Mariah at a nine point seven. 2:20:09.320 --> 2:20:13.000 I got Mariah the nine. I got only a handful 2:20:13.040 --> 2:20:16.640 of ten female singers. Many Ripperton is one of them. 2:20:18.440 --> 2:20:23.959 What about Angela Winbush chances a little? She could sing 2:20:26.680 --> 2:20:30.280 nice one. Angela's that's a nice one, my man, uh 2:20:31.040 --> 2:20:35.320 king like, there we go. Yeah, I got you. I 2:20:35.440 --> 2:20:35.720 got you. 2:20:37.200 --> 2:20:41.679 Like Mariah's diet, Mariah is diet many Ripperton. 2:20:43.160 --> 2:20:47.360 Many is a ten? What about Shaka con Yeah, time 2:20:47.440 --> 2:20:51.520 I probably write yeah, I mean Shaka's a nine. Yeah, 2:20:52.160 --> 2:20:54.520 I don't know. I got some of these people. I 2:20:54.560 --> 2:20:55.280 got to think about it. 2:20:55.600 --> 2:21:00.400 That's what somebody y'all don't appreciate Brandy with that natural too. 2:21:00.760 --> 2:21:04.200 Oh still Brandy and Whitney, bro don't do that. 2:21:04.320 --> 2:21:07.480 I didn't say nothing about Whitney. All I said was 2:21:07.560 --> 2:21:09.000 Brandy is a ten. That's all I said. 2:21:09.280 --> 2:21:12.320 No, she's not. You said, wherever Whitney is, Brandy is dead. 2:21:12.600 --> 2:21:14.760 I said, wherever Whitney is, if you got Whitney at 2:21:14.760 --> 2:21:16.480 a ten point one or wherever you want to put her. 2:21:16.680 --> 2:21:21.920 Brandy ten right there. Brandy could have not sayen that 2:21:22.000 --> 2:21:24.840 Dolly party is on that way six is tripping with 2:21:24.920 --> 2:21:25.280 that one? 2:21:25.760 --> 2:21:26.959 But no, he's not here. 2:21:27.360 --> 2:21:29.120 A lot of people that I know in R and 2:21:29.200 --> 2:21:32.280 B swear by Brandy's vocals and not quite I haven't 2:21:32.320 --> 2:21:32.520 heard this. 2:21:32.640 --> 2:21:36.680 I think Brandy could really sing, I think busy like 2:21:36.760 --> 2:21:39.600 her low. He was nice. She could say she don't. 2:21:39.640 --> 2:21:40.480 I don't know about ten. 2:21:40.879 --> 2:21:43.160 Her rangers credit and her runs. 2:21:44.520 --> 2:21:45.199 Runs just crazy. 2:21:46.000 --> 2:21:53.160 She's not Whitney Houston. Don't appreciate it vocal, she's not 2:21:53.320 --> 2:21:56.920 and she's not many Riverson neither. I just look the. 2:21:57.080 --> 2:21:59.959 Miss you like people that are in their own tears, 2:22:03.240 --> 2:22:04.080 like like like you. 2:22:04.120 --> 2:22:07.480 Know it's a ten. Elder Barges a ten and it's 2:22:07.520 --> 2:22:08.400 one range. 2:22:08.280 --> 2:22:08.360 What. 2:22:10.280 --> 2:22:15.440 The margin? One ring? And Brandon he's a team one 2:22:15.520 --> 2:22:18.520 gear man, I don't know because he was as a ten. 2:22:19.680 --> 2:22:22.160 The Barges a teen. Nigga. Elder Bars might be a ten. 2:22:22.240 --> 2:22:25.160 He might be right brother, his brother might be the 2:22:25.280 --> 2:22:32.160 ten as a team. Elder Bars told the song brother 2:22:33.080 --> 2:22:33.440 is a ten. 2:22:33.520 --> 2:22:38.720 Two brothers a ten? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but bye for sweat. 2:22:39.120 --> 2:22:40.119 But that ain't no ten. 2:22:40.680 --> 2:22:44.800 Listen, tell man one gear too, so you can have one. 2:22:46.040 --> 2:22:47.600 You could have one gear. You could be a lower. 2:22:48.120 --> 2:22:51.039 Anita Baker is a team. Anita Baker might one year 2:22:51.600 --> 2:22:55.120 and she was an eighty few minutes love Anita Baker 2:22:55.200 --> 2:23:00.720 might be a ten. I love one year one year. 2:23:00.920 --> 2:23:05.280 Tony Braxton is Anita Baker junior. Yeah, Tody Braxton might 2:23:05.320 --> 2:23:07.879 be an eight point five to me, Yeah, but she cold, 2:23:08.040 --> 2:23:10.480 she is, where did you have Brandy? 2:23:10.680 --> 2:23:13.360 I didn't hear I have Brandy at. 2:23:13.320 --> 2:23:20.680 An eighty six, but I was like, I'm like a 2:23:21.080 --> 2:23:26.520 like an eight point maybe eight, okay, because because because 2:23:26.560 --> 2:23:28.920 you can't put her when you put Whitney or many. 2:23:30.920 --> 2:23:33.279 Put if Whitley puts her there. 2:23:33.480 --> 2:23:38.360 She years she couldn't hear herself. She thought she hurt herself. 2:23:38.440 --> 2:23:39.520 She thought he sounded like Brandy. 2:23:39.600 --> 2:23:42.959 She can't hear. You're not gonna You're not gonna put 2:23:43.320 --> 2:23:44.760 You're not gonna put crack on. 2:23:44.879 --> 2:23:45.840 In the chat, man. 2:23:49.440 --> 2:23:50.400 Said she was on crack. 2:23:50.680 --> 2:23:53.240 No, that's what Glass is saying. Her ears was on crack. 2:23:53.480 --> 2:23:55.959 So so Brandy sound he wasn't right. And she heard 2:23:55.959 --> 2:23:57.960 herself She's like, oh, this sounds like me. I mean 2:23:58.200 --> 2:24:00.800 we used in the abuse drugs as Yeah. 2:24:02.040 --> 2:24:02.240 Yeah. 2:24:03.600 --> 2:24:06.440 When she said that, and then she also probably just 2:24:06.560 --> 2:24:07.240 being nice. 2:24:07.560 --> 2:24:07.960 Not doing that. 2:24:08.200 --> 2:24:09.760 Brandy's first album Nigga. 2:24:11.240 --> 2:24:13.360 We think Brandy can sing. I think eight is high. 2:24:15.280 --> 2:24:18.880 I think Brandy's dope. I don't know, I don't know 2:24:18.879 --> 2:24:20.840 if she seems that much better than Monica, to be honest. 2:24:20.640 --> 2:24:22.480 With you, Brandy don't sing as good as. 2:24:24.280 --> 2:24:24.879 Man man. 2:24:25.440 --> 2:24:28.400 Marie Tima Marie. 2:24:28.320 --> 2:24:28.440 Is a. 2:24:32.959 --> 2:24:36.920 Where Wait where y'all got uh? Where y'all got a FOOI? 2:24:37.240 --> 2:24:40.360 What's her name? Man? 2:24:40.640 --> 2:24:42.800 Yeahs about six? 2:24:44.320 --> 2:24:47.760 No, I'm just asking because I'm glad you said that 2:24:47.840 --> 2:24:48.720 I got Tina Marie White? 2:24:48.760 --> 2:24:48.920 Guy? 2:24:48.920 --> 2:24:53.039 Who did I just compare? Ala? About to say? 2:24:53.040 --> 2:24:53.240 Come on? 2:24:57.959 --> 2:25:00.400 Might better than bye bye A lot? I think so, 2:25:00.520 --> 2:25:01.800 I think she does something different. 2:25:03.879 --> 2:25:05.600 Damn, Now you're gonna be sucked Upcause if I called 2:25:05.959 --> 2:25:09.039 Aliah seven, Lauryn Hill got to be like an eight point. 2:25:08.920 --> 2:25:09.960 Five, that's no way. 2:25:10.040 --> 2:25:13.680 Lauraills eight nothing, y'all might be sleeping on Layd Hill 2:25:13.680 --> 2:25:14.040 a little bit. 2:25:14.120 --> 2:25:17.400 No, Laurya Helgion sings a lot of soul though, Like so, 2:25:17.720 --> 2:25:19.000 so it comes across different. 2:25:19.160 --> 2:25:21.240 I just think you're I think you're just giving everybody 2:25:21.280 --> 2:25:23.000 too high. Y'all think I'll be giving to low. Y'all 2:25:23.000 --> 2:25:26.000 give everybody to high. I give separations like T Boys 2:25:26.080 --> 2:25:29.080 is a four, because Whitteny Houston is a ten. That's 2:25:29.120 --> 2:25:32.240 how far they are part. That's not me shopping on 2:25:32.320 --> 2:25:35.400 T Boss T Boss the same. But she's not Whitney Houston. 2:25:35.720 --> 2:25:39.640 She's not She's not Tina Marie at nine. She's not 2:25:39.800 --> 2:25:49.520 Brandy at eight that j solid seven. 2:25:51.080 --> 2:25:53.240 Y'all got Brandy at eight and Janet out of seventh? 2:25:53.360 --> 2:25:56.760 What the what the hell? I got Brandy things better 2:25:56.800 --> 2:25:58.760 than Janet Jackson eight point five? I got, I got, 2:25:58.840 --> 2:26:01.040 I got Brandy. I think Brandy's sings better than Jenna Jackson. 2:26:01.160 --> 2:26:03.040 She seems way better than Janet Jackson. 2:26:03.879 --> 2:26:08.800 Jennet Jackson six six or seven. Goodness as a Leah, 2:26:10.320 --> 2:26:13.720 probably about right there. I really never heard I can 2:26:13.760 --> 2:26:16.320 see that you never heard her sing like not her 2:26:16.440 --> 2:26:18.240 singing like I heard her songs. 2:26:18.320 --> 2:26:25.599 But Shot, oh yeah, the Ageless Wonder seven. 2:26:26.920 --> 2:26:29.120 I kind of got Shot and Jenny Jackson in the 2:26:29.160 --> 2:26:30.000 same era area. 2:26:30.560 --> 2:26:32.560 Sta is a little bit bigger, a little bit better 2:26:32.600 --> 2:26:37.160 as a singer. Jennet, Yeah, just a little tell you 2:26:37.200 --> 2:26:41.160 about a seven. Aretha Franklin, that motherfucker ten. 2:26:41.959 --> 2:26:47.760 Okay, if you're over sixty five the glasses, you're a ten. 2:26:47.879 --> 2:26:51.240 So everybody had. 2:26:52.840 --> 2:26:59.600 Every old person, look, look, look, look. 2:26:57.760 --> 2:26:59.760 I just I wish I could show y'all this long 2:26:59.840 --> 2:27:02.040 for sure as I know here you go, I wish 2:27:02.080 --> 2:27:03.840 I could show you all this. I just text a 2:27:04.000 --> 2:27:08.280 legendary vocal producer, probably the best in the world. And 2:27:08.400 --> 2:27:12.920 I said, simply rank Brandy's voice one through ten. I 2:27:12.959 --> 2:27:14.879 don't think y'all can see that, but I'm a screenshot 2:27:14.959 --> 2:27:15.520 and send the TG. 2:27:16.520 --> 2:27:17.840 What is ten? 2:27:20.160 --> 2:27:20.360 Two? 2:27:20.879 --> 2:27:22.480 Then? What the fuck is Whitney Houston? 2:27:22.959 --> 2:27:24.320 Okay, that's a great question. 2:27:24.959 --> 2:27:29.560 You can't be Ten's don't think as good as Whitney Houston. 2:27:29.800 --> 2:27:31.880 Yo, you got something. People aout to chat. Somebody said 2:27:31.879 --> 2:27:33.120 Brandy's a six. Get that. 2:27:34.600 --> 2:27:37.680 Brandy's six. I mean it deppends on how much Brandy 2:27:37.720 --> 2:27:39.560 you heard a right? 2:27:45.440 --> 2:27:45.840 The six? 2:27:46.000 --> 2:27:48.840 You're not mad that coach superman like. I don't think 2:27:48.879 --> 2:27:52.039 she's a six, but Brandy. I don't think Brandy's a six, 2:27:52.080 --> 2:27:53.160 but I think she's closer to us. 2:27:53.879 --> 2:27:57.000 She is to Brandy's the Whitney Brandy's eight. 2:27:58.120 --> 2:28:00.200 Why do you we have to just keep this like 2:28:00.240 --> 2:28:01.320 the Jordan and Lebron thing? 2:28:01.400 --> 2:28:01.520 Right? 2:28:02.200 --> 2:28:03.280 You have to be comparedive with you? 2:28:04.080 --> 2:28:04.360 You right? 2:28:04.440 --> 2:28:07.760 Six? Not my bad you. Whney Houston does what Brandy does? 2:28:07.879 --> 2:28:10.640 It can't be two tens. You're right, al Look, you 2:28:10.680 --> 2:28:13.840 want me to credit many Riperton does something different than 2:28:13.879 --> 2:28:14.520 Whitney Houston. 2:28:14.879 --> 2:28:17.800 Do you want me to screenshot this whole conversation because 2:28:17.800 --> 2:28:20.840 this is a producer who is older years. 2:28:20.920 --> 2:28:23.360 I don't want to hear he got all the success 2:28:23.440 --> 2:28:25.600 in the world. But if he think it to himself, 2:28:26.760 --> 2:28:28.080 Kny Houston, I'm not. 2:28:28.160 --> 2:28:28.640 Fucking with you. 2:28:28.680 --> 2:28:32.840 That phenomenal bran to the coldest vocal producer in the world. 2:28:33.959 --> 2:28:35.879 I don't ever heard nobody said Brandley wasn't a team 2:28:36.440 --> 2:28:39.520 bugger after I have heard it before, But. 2:28:41.800 --> 2:28:46.920 The vocal bible, Brandy is not no fucking team. Brandy 2:28:46.959 --> 2:28:49.400 can't be a team because she ray J sister. Brandy 2:28:49.440 --> 2:28:54.200 can't be a tig because she's Yeah, he can't be 2:28:54.240 --> 2:28:55.280 AI because ray J. 2:28:55.640 --> 2:28:59.119 Brandy can't because she's not fucking Whitney Houston or Minie Ripperton. 2:29:00.760 --> 2:29:03.959 Whitney said she was shout out to Whitney that she. 2:29:04.040 --> 2:29:09.480 Was a sweetheart. We got some white singers. What do 2:29:09.560 --> 2:29:13.240 y'all got up here? So you don't think Maria is 2:29:13.240 --> 2:29:13.560 a nine? 2:29:15.000 --> 2:29:17.000 What's there? What's the dell. 2:29:17.840 --> 2:29:21.200 Adele, Celine Dion adel Adele could sing, but they just 2:29:21.240 --> 2:29:24.040 don't have a soul on it. But just cause you 2:29:24.080 --> 2:29:25.400 don't got the soul on it. But I'm talking about 2:29:25.440 --> 2:29:28.840 vocal that's why. That's why you sing about Addie Lynn 2:29:28.959 --> 2:29:31.600 from is she sixty five hours older? 2:29:31.600 --> 2:29:34.640 All right, so look here's the breakdown. Because he's still typing. 2:29:38.959 --> 2:29:41.240 He said, Brandy's at ten, he said, I got Whitney 2:29:41.280 --> 2:29:45.360 more of an eight or nine. Listen, listen, listen, listen. 2:29:49.200 --> 2:29:54.960 Let me right here here. 2:29:57.040 --> 2:29:59.959 Click the thumbs up. Let us know you're in the house. 2:30:00.640 --> 2:30:02.800 Let us know you're in the house. Please click the 2:30:02.959 --> 2:30:06.120 like button. Please retreat this link. This is blasphemy. I 2:30:06.160 --> 2:30:06.560 cannot be. 2:30:07.520 --> 2:30:09.080 Let me finish the stream. 2:30:10.560 --> 2:30:14.400 No Celings podcast. The No Sentner's podcast is a link 2:30:14.520 --> 2:30:18.760 on the YouTube right there, right there. You listen to 2:30:18.879 --> 2:30:20.000 this dope podcast. 2:30:20.160 --> 2:30:24.240 Conversations about storytelling her flowers from the Too Apple podcasts 2:30:24.360 --> 2:30:27.400 or Ieheart podcasts or anyway you get your podcasts from 2:30:27.720 --> 2:30:31.600 the No Sinners podcast. Executive produced by Charlomagne the God 2:30:31.720 --> 2:30:33.599 and the Black Effect Network. 2:30:33.840 --> 2:30:35.120 Diamondback Photography. 2:30:35.240 --> 2:30:38.119 Thank you for the five dollars six Do you ever 2:30:38.240 --> 2:30:40.240 dislike your beat after it's finished? 2:30:40.440 --> 2:30:42.880 I always hated my own beat after I was done. 2:30:43.000 --> 2:30:45.080 I don't know why. I wasn't sure if it was 2:30:45.320 --> 2:30:45.560 just me. 2:30:46.080 --> 2:30:48.040 Thank you diamond Back for the question. So now I 2:30:48.160 --> 2:30:50.960 get my thought out and I'll answer your question. The 2:30:51.080 --> 2:30:55.920 thought was it depends on specifics. He said Brandy. Brandy 2:30:56.000 --> 2:30:58.400 has the better tone in runs of the two, Whitney 2:30:58.480 --> 2:30:59.400 has way more range. 2:31:00.640 --> 2:31:02.560 What the I'm glad six is doing it? 2:31:02.720 --> 2:31:06.840 Back to diamondback, Uh, there was a Yeah, there's times 2:31:06.840 --> 2:31:08.840 where I hate my beats. I think, I really I 2:31:09.000 --> 2:31:12.560 used to always hate my beats until the pandemic, Like 2:31:12.680 --> 2:31:15.120 I would always like sell beats to other people, but 2:31:15.120 --> 2:31:17.160 I would never write to my own stuff ever. And 2:31:17.200 --> 2:31:19.520 then during the pandemic, I really tapped into just I 2:31:19.560 --> 2:31:21.720 don't know what it was, besides just having a lot 2:31:21.760 --> 2:31:24.440 of time, but I really tapped into a frequency that 2:31:25.000 --> 2:31:27.480 now I love writing to my own beats, but I 2:31:27.560 --> 2:31:30.240 still make you know, whack shit sometimes y'all just. 2:31:30.280 --> 2:31:30.680 Never hear it. 2:31:30.720 --> 2:31:31.000 I just. 2:31:32.600 --> 2:31:38.199 I just deleted, so I delete the worst beats. 2:31:38.320 --> 2:31:40.480 The worst beats are when I used to drink and 2:31:40.600 --> 2:31:42.760 I would be like drunk, and I'll make a beat 2:31:42.800 --> 2:31:44.199 and then listen to it the next day and it's. 2:31:44.080 --> 2:31:45.400 The worst shit I've ever heard in my life. 2:31:45.879 --> 2:31:48.640 So that may have my worst podcast take I ever 2:31:48.720 --> 2:31:50.440 heard from Whoever that is, I don't even know what 2:31:50.480 --> 2:31:51.800 it is because I don't want to lose respect for 2:31:52.879 --> 2:31:55.560 listen Rod Whennie Houston is at eight and Brandy's at 2:31:55.720 --> 2:31:57.720 Jesus Christ. 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