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Speaker 1: Just subconsciously start working on your eating now, No No
Speaker 1: I'm consciously start working on my eating.
Speaker 5: I said, you know, I feel like subconsciously you were
Speaker 5: shaming me.
Speaker 1: How am I subconsciously shamed that? You didn't even know
Speaker 1: you was doing it? Remember everybody listening to you? So,
Speaker 1: oh is everybody listening to me? Okay that Oh it's
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 5: How am I subconscious No, it's all right, that's for
Speaker 5: another day.
Speaker 1: I didn't know everybody was listening to that conversation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they listening. Now, okay, well let's go ahead and start.
Speaker 1: You know, this is what excuse excuse me.
Speaker 4: This is what the whole stream is about, though, about
Speaker 4: what real conversations.
Speaker 5: Oh no, that was you know, that wasn't a real
Speaker 5: real conversation. That was feeler you know because okay, when
Speaker 5: I say subconsciously shame in me? Is I said that
Speaker 5: because when you bring up how to eat to Live?
Speaker 1: I remembered on my time.
Speaker 5: You know, uh, as a I don't want to say
Speaker 5: I act to see Muslim, because I'm always a Muslim.
Speaker 1: But when I was in the Nation of it is
Speaker 1: they got you together?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, they Oh they definitely got me to oh
Speaker 5: really cleaned me up?
Speaker 1: Yes they did.
Speaker 5: But reading that book That's what brings back to where
Speaker 5: I say shame, because I always hear you know, you
Speaker 5: got a shame of man to change a man. That's
Speaker 5: what they used to always say to me. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: what they used to say to me.
Speaker 1: Oh, I get what's said.
Speaker 5: So when you say that, it brings me back to
Speaker 5: those days. That's why I say it subconsciously.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're just been a shame. It's not something I'm doing.
Speaker 1: It's something you.
Speaker 5: Feel the vehicle is coming through you. So that's why
Speaker 5: I say I'm changing my eating. Now, I'm gonna start
Speaker 5: trying to you know, get my eating Ryan, look at
Speaker 5: more carbohydrates and stuff like that, because I look at
Speaker 5: how you work out and do what you do.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing, like I said, I just started looking
Speaker 4: at food like energy. Every now and then I'll like
Speaker 4: divulge in it and just for taste. Like when I
Speaker 4: went to that thing, I grabbed some barbecue because I
Speaker 4: went early. I went to my older brother's party. Shout
Speaker 4: out to my brother Pool, Yesterday was his birthday. Happy
Speaker 4: birthday to my big brother. Happy birthday, Pool, Happy Birthday,
Speaker 4: Joey west Side. Today's Joey west Side Birthday. Joe happy birthday.
Speaker 4: So I went to his birthday party Saturday night and
Speaker 4: I got there early. So Wood's Barbecue is right across
Speaker 4: the street from Wood's Barbecue on Inglewood, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just go get something.
Speaker 4: I haven't had nothing, but I already knew at that
Speaker 4: time I had eight already, so I wasn't gonna eat
Speaker 4: it that day, but I was like, I eat it
Speaker 4: tomorrow because I'm in the city to me grab it.
Speaker 1: So after I grab it, I get it.
Speaker 4: The next day and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna eat
Speaker 4: this barbecue right, but I'm eat it really early because
Speaker 4: I don't want to be sitting around with beef and
Speaker 4: chicken just on me too late. So instead of eating
Speaker 4: like at three o'clock in the afternoon like I always do,
Speaker 4: I ate it at twelve, maybe even eleven thirty. That's
Speaker 4: how early I ate it. I ate you real early too,
Speaker 4: to really make sure I had time to digest it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: When I tell you this morning, before I went to workout, man,
Speaker 4: my stomach was hurting so bad. Man, that shit tore
Speaker 4: me up. And I don't think it was the food
Speaker 4: as much as it was spicy.
Speaker 1: Could it be you ate out of sink.
Speaker 4: Definitely eating out of sink. But I could tell how
Speaker 4: much my body was working a process at all.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't like good carbohydrates. That was a bad
Speaker 1: meal or was it?
Speaker 4: Like I didn't really have too many starches with it,
Speaker 4: like only like this little small cup of potato salad.
Speaker 4: But it was just too much protein without vegetables.
Speaker 1: You think the sauce matter. The sauce is a big
Speaker 1: part the sauce. But I like woodies. I'm one of
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 4: I don't really I like woodies in Phillips, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like I grew up on that, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, going.
Speaker 1: Over there to get that stuff.
Speaker 4: So but I just think I haven't like I've been
Speaker 4: eating a really good balance of shit, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 1: Every meal. I don't need.
Speaker 4: Starches unless I'm working hard. Today I didn't do any starches.
Speaker 4: What's what's starches?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: What foods is starches? Weat like bread, potatoes, but carbohydrates
Speaker 1: like wheat and stuff like that. Was getting carbohydrates. Everything
Speaker 1: is gonna turn into a car.
Speaker 4: Somethings start off that way, right, So like bread, potatoes, pasta,
Speaker 4: all stuff that's for like when you pour, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, you get that to stretch meals.
Speaker 1: When you pour, you get that stuff to stretch meals.
Speaker 4: But when you start making some money and you could
Speaker 4: afford it, you don't need it as much. Think about
Speaker 4: every great poor thing probably has something to do with starches.
Speaker 4: Tacos is the tortilla shells. Burritos are tortilla shehells pasta.
Speaker 4: You know, that's poor northern Italian people, right, that's that's
Speaker 4: the pasta. It's all like that even for us, like
Speaker 4: you know, we grew up in black household especially if
Speaker 4: you grew up like us, you know, and poor households. Right,
Speaker 4: it's a ton of starches with every meal. You know,
Speaker 4: we had put a rice with a potato and some
Speaker 4: bread and ship, you know. And then fast food is
Speaker 4: a bunch of starches hamburgers with fries. So you know,
Speaker 4: that's a real serious surfplus of energy. Like most of
Speaker 4: the time we're not doing nothing to deal with that
Speaker 4: much energy. So then the energy just gets misplaced and
Speaker 4: hence you have what you call fat.
Speaker 1: So what's good color hydrates to eat?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's everything, everything has farbs in it, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything has carves in it, and to glasses to
Speaker 3: what glasses just said. Money has a lot to do
Speaker 3: with it too, because the better quality of starts as
Speaker 3: you buy and the way you make prepare them a
Speaker 3: long goes a long way, and how it digests and
Speaker 3: how it huge your body. So Glasses is to a
Speaker 3: point where he's eating. You know he's making his mills good.
Speaker 3: You know he not over seasoning, and you know he not.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe because the better you eat when
Speaker 3: you eat something like woodies or it kind of messes
Speaker 3: up your stomach now because your stomach is so it's
Speaker 3: it's it's man. When I talk to people about it,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like fus like eighty seven, eighty nine
Speaker 3: ninety one, Like you're putting a bunch of ninety one
Speaker 3: in your body and it burns slower and better. But
Speaker 3: if you put that eighty seven in it, it starts,
Speaker 3: you know, messing up your car, but worse now because.
Speaker 4: So so fuel now this is his specialty, this now cars.
Speaker 4: I'm a car guy. So the catch with fuel is right,
Speaker 4: is octane is a conversation of more like volatile and
Speaker 4: more like The lower the octane, the more volatile the
Speaker 4: fuel right. And so if you've ever been around people
Speaker 4: that mess with engines and cars, they talk about this
Speaker 4: thing called pinging.
Speaker 1: You hear people be like, oh his car pinging. I'd
Speaker 1: be wondering what does that mean? So it's detonation.
Speaker 4: That means the fuel is exploding before it gets to
Speaker 4: the exact point it's supposed to explode.
Speaker 1: So what makes a.
Speaker 4: Car run right, is right, it's an internal combustion engine, right,
Speaker 4: So it's an explosion happening right between oxygen fuel and
Speaker 4: it's exploding and it's knocking the piston down that turns
Speaker 4: the crank, turns of trans.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. It's a big old air pump.
Speaker 4: The lower the octane eighty seven is more volative, so
Speaker 4: it can be in other places of the engine that's
Speaker 4: just hot in your engine and exploding ninety one it's
Speaker 4: more stable. So like in race cars, like we use
Speaker 4: one hundred octane one ti in octane one hundred eighteen
Speaker 4: octained because it's more stable.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that's maybe that could have been
Speaker 3: why your stomach shirt this morning?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, not even a question, But I mean I don't
Speaker 4: regret it, like you know at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like I make enough sacrifices to where I'm not really
Speaker 4: worried about it. I'm not really you know, losing my
Speaker 4: mind about it, like it's not no thing like that
Speaker 4: just means I'm not gonna eat nothing today, like I'm a.
Speaker 1: So even though I worked out, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 4: I did a cucumber and pineapple fresh juice right with
Speaker 4: a bunch of ginger, and then I'll do a regular
Speaker 4: meal because I know I got energy left over from Saturday.
Speaker 1: Sunday, I'll do a regular meal. I won't need it.
Speaker 4: Today was my best workout honestly since since we started
Speaker 4: back working my legs and stuff. This was my I'm
Speaker 4: not dying, But I think that is a combo of walking.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Sona, That Sogna that five
Speaker 4: days I did that, Sona, Like that's why your body
Speaker 4: start to crap. It's like, oh, okay, Like, oh I
Speaker 4: need to really get on it, because this means now
Speaker 4: I can focus. Like today I was able to focus
Speaker 4: on boxing. I wasn't really tripping off like being tired.
Speaker 4: It was like, okay, I'm tired, but okay, I'm good
Speaker 4: but when you don't, when you're not conditioned. Man, you
Speaker 4: trying to focus on how I'm a stand up today.
Speaker 4: I was able to listen, take the information. Okay, think
Speaker 4: tell him what I'm trying to do. Tell him, you
Speaker 4: know what do you think?
Speaker 1: Listen?
Speaker 4: Because my condition and even in a week or two weeks,
Speaker 4: it's been two weeks and I'm already better.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I thought we could have went another round to be
Speaker 3: here exactly.
Speaker 4: So my so that's eating you know, the fuel, So
Speaker 4: same thing with cars, right, the higher the octane, the
Speaker 4: less volatile. You don't want extremely volatile flu you're fuel
Speaker 4: in your car because all the metal when your engine
Speaker 4: is getting hot. So if it's extremely volatile flu a fuel,
Speaker 4: it'll just explode everywhere.
Speaker 1: That's detonation or opinion.
Speaker 4: It's exploding places it shouldn't instead of just in that
Speaker 4: specific chamber that it's created for.
Speaker 1: That's fuel. Gas.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, today was my best workout. There's been a month.
Speaker 1: We didn't really get to work out last like thirty
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 4: But the walking, yeah, I mean walking and the signer
Speaker 4: has really been big.
Speaker 1: Why do you think the sign has been so big
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 4: So I ain't really studied it. I shout out to
Speaker 4: Cam and YB you know, brothers in the nation. They
Speaker 4: put that on my heart, real tough. They was like, yo,
Speaker 4: you gotta.
Speaker 1: Use the signer. You know. They all they do is
Speaker 1: study the body, shout out to the nation. The nation.
Speaker 1: Don't get enough credit.
Speaker 4: People think they're a bunch of brothers running around, so
Speaker 4: I'm crazy. But they really scientists and they study everything,
Speaker 4: you know, so they are really paying attention and they
Speaker 4: doing a lot of long term study. So the innate
Speaker 4: thing is obviously people think you're sweating out the toxins,
Speaker 4: you know, if everything you eat. Oh, so as I
Speaker 4: start losing that sixty five pounds, right, I realized I
Speaker 4: lost weight when I pissed, not when I went to
Speaker 4: the toilet and did a number two and defecated. But
Speaker 4: when I did a piss, I pissed, I would lose weight.
Speaker 4: That was like big, That fucked me up. I probably
Speaker 4: weighed myself over the I started this journey, what about
Speaker 4: nine months ago, eight months ago, maybe ten months ago.
Speaker 4: This a little bit, but I was I probably weighed
Speaker 4: myself three hundred times in that time.
Speaker 3: Just start making more sense to why boxers sweated out
Speaker 3: instead of right.
Speaker 4: Or high blood pressure, Like all of this shit goes
Speaker 4: into your bloodstream and close it up. Everything is liquid, right,
Speaker 4: So then I started looking at congestion different.
Speaker 1: So congestion is just bullshit. It's all liquid, right.
Speaker 4: It's why when you fact, your body look like a
Speaker 4: bag of water, not a bag of trash.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean it be like floppy. I mean, so.
Speaker 4: Pissing was big, Like I realized pissing is how you
Speaker 4: really get everything out. That was something I checked myself,
Speaker 4: so obviously building on that. And then we talked about
Speaker 4: water too, like water being big on like I used
Speaker 4: to think it was gravity fed, like when you use
Speaker 4: the bathroom, so I drink So now you know I've
Speaker 4: been drinking a gallon of water, crazy.
Speaker 1: Like, well things must come out kind of thing, or well,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know you're drinking it, so it's just
Speaker 1: pushing it.
Speaker 4: Nah, it gotta be like electronics, Like your body is current.
Speaker 1: It's making your body. It's like it's almost like that
Speaker 1: movie like the Matrix, where all of the stuff is currents.
Speaker 4: It's like it's electrical currents for your body, and that's
Speaker 4: what's making your body correctly performed.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's just gravity fed of drinking.
Speaker 4: Water as much as could be that, but it's also
Speaker 4: this ship is making your colon work. Push ship down,
Speaker 4: it's giving it the energy to keep working correctly or.
Speaker 1: Efficiently, right, efficiently. That's the way for me. So water
Speaker 1: became the centerpiece and then pissing. So will water be
Speaker 1: like oil to a car?
Speaker 5: No, because water is water because water in the car Okay,
Speaker 5: through the engine, yo you water?
Speaker 1: Okay, water is water. Okay, blood is more like oil,
Speaker 1: you see me.
Speaker 4: But water water period to the earth, everything, everything around
Speaker 4: this what fucking water. But so I think the sign
Speaker 4: to his point, because I think the SIGNA is like,
Speaker 4: I think it's definitely pushing shit out, so whatever is
Speaker 4: at the top of it, you know. I mean I
Speaker 4: think that's why they said your skin go bad and
Speaker 4: different stuff, right, because it.
Speaker 1: Starts to reveal whatever is going on in your body.
Speaker 1: So toxins get stuck.
Speaker 4: So water so drinking water, and then the SIGNA immediately
Speaker 4: starts taking everything out, opens up your pores and every every.
Speaker 1: Side started coming out. But also it raises your heart rate, right,
Speaker 1: it raises your heart rate. That's another thing.
Speaker 4: Like and I remember coming out to sign I had
Speaker 4: walked two miles and then I went to the sauna.
Speaker 4: Man I thought I was finna die. I stayed there
Speaker 4: like it was right back to back. I stayed there
Speaker 4: for thirty minutes. But when I came out that signing
Speaker 4: and then I stand up for the whole thirty minutes,
Speaker 4: so you know, it's extra hot. And I came out
Speaker 4: that motherfucker. I laid my back on that chair, say back.
Speaker 4: I could feel my heart beat out the damn back
Speaker 4: out of my back. That's how bad it was.
Speaker 3: H Yeah, I felt the same way first time I
Speaker 3: went to the first time went to sign up partly
Speaker 3: like two years ago, somebody got me on this sign
Speaker 3: of tip too. I went in there, I came out,
Speaker 3: my heart was racing. I felt like I felt busy,
Speaker 3: a little bit worked out. Yeah, I was like, what's that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but uh, you gotta get're getting me back in this
Speaker 3: signer too.
Speaker 1: I gotta get back in this. Can't be going to
Speaker 1: that motherfucker going to King.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How do you feel when you're going there? Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's a peaceful thing.
Speaker 5: And I work on my breathing, you know, I work
Speaker 5: on my breathing because I wanted to get that heat
Speaker 5: into my lungs, you know, and burn what's in there.
Speaker 3: Too, and so I work on my breathing in there.
Speaker 3: You'll have an area where you're sitting, y'all. Try to
Speaker 3: get closer to the heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's make it up on top, or if I
Speaker 1: have to stand, I try to stand right by the heat.
Speaker 1: You got those door openers opening the door every two seconds.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's welcome.
Speaker 4: Fucking asshole. And this motherfucker pouring water on the stones.
Speaker 4: Man almost cuts this little man out, dog like you
Speaker 4: know this gas and electricity. This ain't no motherfucking you,
Speaker 4: not in no old bath house in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1: Nigga. You know, like you how you pour water on
Speaker 1: the phone. No, I've seen this.
Speaker 4: No, that is not what that is. Hookah, nigga's letting
Speaker 4: off of gas.
Speaker 1: Nigga kill usselfing the killing, y'all. It's haack sometimes too.
Speaker 4: No, that's sign that's tying to give your workout. They
Speaker 4: don't give you the They don't give you the workout.
Speaker 1: Like the muscle.
Speaker 4: You know, whatever working out does the muscles, what it does,
Speaker 4: It flexes the tenders and stuff for every other part.
Speaker 5: The heart rate, it's like internal workout. It's like a
Speaker 5: respiratory thing. And that's another thing they associate with that.
Speaker 5: Shout out to name bron yup, I only drank springwater.
Speaker 5: You want to go to the sauna and breathe it
Speaker 5: in and to help you, you know, come over cold.
Speaker 4: I drank one of these every day. Plus right, it's
Speaker 4: a spring water. That's that's what the nae you swear
Speaker 4: aby the spring water shout out. Shout out to Israel,
Speaker 4: what's happening to playboy? He said, don't over exhaust yourself.
Speaker 4: Ge I did it once and almost passed out. That
Speaker 4: was that day. That was that day, Ezy. I came
Speaker 4: out that motherfucking dog. Shout out to the lunch table. Man,
Speaker 4: everybody at the lunch table, forgive me. I know I've
Speaker 4: been on this cold. Rank Cors Fats Les Diamond, what's up?
Speaker 1: Money? Was haddening? Squish? Thank you for moderating roughians fast?
Speaker 7: What up?
Speaker 1: Cup Brand?
Speaker 6: No cut?
Speaker 1: What up? D T Tree? What's the deal being? What's up? Bro? Marcus?
Speaker 1: What's the deal?
Speaker 3: Mick?
Speaker 1: What's haddening in this thing?
Speaker 7: Cooking?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: Gino? What up for? Gee?
Speaker 1: I gotta do your song this week?
Speaker 6: Right? What up? So?
Speaker 1: And I man?
Speaker 6: Is he?
Speaker 4: I got that motherfucker dog I came out that ship,
Speaker 4: I was I had.
Speaker 1: To sit down.
Speaker 4: Past I was like, holy shit. And then the next
Speaker 4: day I went and did it again. I don't know why,
Speaker 4: but I was way better. So, but that's another thing, King,
Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure I caught that breathing. Another
Speaker 4: way you lose weight is breathing too. It's healing. So
Speaker 4: like I've been practicing on breathing a lot, more walking, boxing, shina.
Speaker 4: That's what I focus on is just breathing, good breaths
Speaker 4: and shit. So it's been a it's been fun. Man,
Speaker 4: It's it's it's a challenge, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's something to see, it's something to see.
Speaker 5: Health is you know something that I think we're starting
Speaker 5: to lack of respect of is our health. You know,
Speaker 5: we're taking it for granted that we just walk around
Speaker 5: and do what we do, you know, really look at
Speaker 5: ourselves and longevity.
Speaker 1: I don't think shout out.
Speaker 4: To V I don't need no sign. I live in Arizona,
Speaker 4: W twelve sona yeah outside son, but no.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that that was a trick like that, and that's
Speaker 4: all and that's all I've really been doing. So Yeah,
Speaker 4: that that's the trick with food. Food is the fuel.
Speaker 4: So it's like today, because I'm I still got extra
Speaker 4: fuel from that barbecue.
Speaker 1: I only need a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4: I probably do something simple like a like a regular dinner,
Speaker 4: like a three go whip.
Speaker 1: Up something cool.
Speaker 4: I mean, but this juice is all I really needed,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And this is the cucumber
Speaker 4: and pineapple. Just do a good thing for you.
Speaker 5: You still get hunger pains now or do you started
Speaker 5: getting those calm down where you don't experience those no more?
Speaker 4: So if I try to eat four hundred calories or
Speaker 4: something outside, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To be starving at the end of the night. Burst
Speaker 1: one hundred one slow.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Real food at home is like one hundred and twelve
Speaker 4: octane two octane, like you know West Gas.
Speaker 1: I think in the West Gas they call it nice.
Speaker 1: Outside Gas, they're like one two our team. Man. That's
Speaker 1: at home food. Man.
Speaker 4: I could I can make myself two thousand chicken some
Speaker 4: vegetables and eat a fucking apple and I probably can
Speaker 4: go seventy two hours without eating.
Speaker 1: But if you really think about it, that's what we
Speaker 1: used to do. That's what they say. They swear about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like, feel me like that shit crazy.
Speaker 4: I eat a fucking double double for windies, all that shit,
Speaker 4: and that ship like eighty five coming, it's going just
Speaker 4: swallowing it, exploding everywhere.
Speaker 1: That ship. You don't get nothing. Man.
Speaker 5: I eat that ship at three because I eat dinner
Speaker 5: at three. I eat that shit at three. At eight
Speaker 5: nine o'clock, I'm starving. I'm finna go destroy all the
Speaker 5: chip so then I'm a compound of dumb ship by
Speaker 5: eating some more bush shit, all the chips, me everything,
Speaker 5: because now I'm just trying to cure whatever. So I
Speaker 5: think something in the food out you know whatever maybe
Speaker 5: is industrial food or how they bind it. I think
Speaker 5: it lacks in carbs or mineral excuse me, and minerals
Speaker 5: and envitamins. Something is missing in there, because that's all hunger.
Speaker 1: Gotta be right.
Speaker 4: It's your body is calling for minerals vitamins to power itself.
Speaker 4: So even if I go get a thousand calorie or
Speaker 4: twelve hundred calorie big mac meals something about that shit
Speaker 4: is like eighty five or eighty three octane. That shit
Speaker 4: is fucked up, fucked up like I'll be. I'm talking
Speaker 4: about starving like like like, like I have an eight starving.
Speaker 3: And the good thing that you got going on for
Speaker 3: yourself right now is that you understand your body. You
Speaker 3: understanding what time you can eat and what you can
Speaker 3: eat to maintain your day whatever you got going on.
Speaker 1: So that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: A lot of people got to really start trying to
Speaker 3: understand their own bodies because everybody ain't the same. Like
Speaker 3: everybody think I'm able to eat at three and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be like everybody got to understand how they body works.
Speaker 1: So that's a good thing.
Speaker 7: Going you know, I'm going on on seven years, Vegan,
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 1: You remember he was telling me that shit crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you feel a big difference with that six yeah?
Speaker 3: Like so, yeah, a huge difference.
Speaker 7: One of the biggest differences that I don't think is
Speaker 7: spoken about is I haven't been sick in at least
Speaker 7: six years, like not even a common cold, Like anytime
Speaker 7: I feel like a symptom of anything, you know, how
Speaker 7: you feel it the night before, I like, damn, feel hot,
Speaker 7: I feel like, you know, scratchy, and I'll just go
Speaker 7: to sleep. I don't take no medicine or nothing. I'll
Speaker 7: just literally go to sleep when I wake up and
Speaker 7: I'm completely normal. So that's a huge thing. But obviously
Speaker 7: I didn't realize that was going to happen early on
Speaker 7: when I first did it. But the biggest difference that
Speaker 7: I saw at the beginning was I went vegan. When
Speaker 7: I was in I heard my foot boxing and I
Speaker 7: was out, like I didn't know what it was. I
Speaker 7: kept going on the doctors and stuff like that, so
Speaker 7: I couldn't work out at all. I went vegan, and
Speaker 7: in ninety days I lost thirty pounds zero cardio damn.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, damn. So so that part I was like,
Speaker 7: so I just had like it started to kind of like,
Speaker 7: you know, the whole thought process of of what could
Speaker 7: be possible, like just hanging around for thirty you know,
Speaker 7: ninety days, I'm not working out to work it off.
Speaker 7: I just stopped. I just changed my eating average.
Speaker 1: Hey six, let me ask you.
Speaker 3: I got two questions for you, because I've always thought
Speaker 3: about going vegan. But the things that kind of make
Speaker 3: me nervous when I when I talk to friends or
Speaker 3: I read up on it, energy level and being able
Speaker 3: to keep muscle mass.
Speaker 7: Great quest.
Speaker 1: Do you find any difficulties with either one of those?
Speaker 7: So what I didn't know because it was a it
Speaker 7: was and still is pretty solo journey of mine. So
Speaker 7: what I didn't know the beginning is you have to
Speaker 7: take B twelve when you're vegan. If you don't, you're
Speaker 7: gonna be sleep all the time. So I feel myself, like,
Speaker 7: you know, a month or two in, I was just like,
Speaker 7: now I'm more tired. I'm tired all the time. And
Speaker 7: then reached out to one of my friends and he's like,
Speaker 7: you're taking B twelve. I'm like, na, he was like,
Speaker 7: you gotta take that or so energy levels are normal.
Speaker 7: I feel normal as long as I'm doing that. As
Speaker 7: long as you take Yeah, if I slack off of that, yes,
Speaker 7: it'd be kind of kind of crazy. But in terms
Speaker 7: of like yeah, muscle mass, like you still there's there's
Speaker 7: so many different ways, like the protein and stuff like
Speaker 7: that is it seems pretty normal to me, like drinking
Speaker 7: protein shakes or you know what I mean, being any
Speaker 7: type of lentils and stuff like that. It was kind
Speaker 7: of like part of normalcy for me. So you can
Speaker 7: still you know, I got a boy who's been vegan
Speaker 7: probably fifteen years now, and you know, he modeled like
Speaker 7: a Nike sports Modeo. So he looks like an athlete.
Speaker 7: So it's not hard. It's not hard to do it.
Speaker 7: It's more about figuring it all out at the beginning.
Speaker 7: But I didn't have a lot of people to lean on.
Speaker 7: But now I try to at least be that voice.
Speaker 7: And I'm not the person that tries to push it
Speaker 7: on people. It's like, if somebody so happens to start
Speaker 7: it and they got questions, I'm gonna help them.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm not the preachy vegan, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, man, some some some people that are vegan,
Speaker 3: they like Joe Witnesses, They they on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you think you can go vegan, you think
Speaker 1: you ve I went So I didn't go for a vegan.
Speaker 1: I went like I went vegan for almost a year,
Speaker 1: you know, no more double double.
Speaker 4: What happened was like I would get cold, like I like,
Speaker 4: I couldn't figure out the iron part of it.
Speaker 1: It was. It was fun though, it was.
Speaker 4: A different experience and made me eat all kinds of foods.
Speaker 4: And then I wasn't getting like a bunch of the
Speaker 4: fake food.
Speaker 1: I didn't get the chick the strips. That's the worst
Speaker 1: vegan burgers, Like I kind of stayed away from that.
Speaker 3: I said, And that's another thing. What does that ship
Speaker 3: taste like?
Speaker 1: Like the same ship?
Speaker 6: You think?
Speaker 4: So, yes, it because it's seasoning. It's really seasoning that
Speaker 4: give us the flavors, so they make it taste it.
Speaker 1: So you think you need a vegan double double, I've.
Speaker 4: Had one, you vegan double. I had a vegan. So
Speaker 4: when I was doing that vegan for a year. By
Speaker 4: the end of the year, like you have to have time.
Speaker 4: That's another thing, like you gotta make some time because
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to cook. But when you would be rushing,
Speaker 4: I would go get a vegan from cross your ship.
Speaker 4: It tastes the same real Yeah, that's what scared me.
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 7: You got that like in moderation because the replacement foods
Speaker 7: could be just as bad as.
Speaker 1: The regular ship. So okay, yeah, I got your At the.
Speaker 7: End of the day, so I go to Burger can't
Speaker 7: get an impossible burger every day, that's the Yeah, it'll
Speaker 7: be like going to Burger King and a whopper every day. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and it is.
Speaker 1: Probably better.
Speaker 7: If you like one of those super duper vegans. It's
Speaker 7: like cross contamination, like I don't want my broker. They're
Speaker 7: not kicking it on a separate stove. So shout out
Speaker 7: to Don d nutrient deficiency. That's that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 7: I think when they fast whole foods are nutrient dish.
Speaker 7: That makes sense. Don shout out to Diamond bad photography.
Speaker 7: I ate oreos before the stream, and now I feel
Speaker 7: like a piece. Okay, that's not what the point. I'm
Speaker 7: not saying.
Speaker 1: Oreos are vegans, so don't don't feel so good.
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, like my man said, what you say,
Speaker 3: Nation said shame that Oh no.
Speaker 1: That's shame to change.
Speaker 4: That's an unconscious same because he's feeling shame even though
Speaker 4: we're not shaming like I'm we're just talking about.
Speaker 1: That's a subconscious like I said, subconscious shame.
Speaker 5: Hey, just because you're talking about it, Shout out to
Speaker 5: fact it's barely real protein and carbs.
Speaker 1: It's ninety eight percent binders. That would make sense. We
Speaker 1: gotta get back to shame.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Lex y'all talking die it's super important.
Speaker 4: But what about activities? How are you improving in that
Speaker 4: area that just come with the territory like we do
Speaker 4: a bunch of activities, but the diet is eighty percent
Speaker 4: of everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people think that working out is the main thing
Speaker 3: that you should be doing.
Speaker 1: Number one is diet, diet, and mental.
Speaker 5: To ask your question, culture, let me talking about how
Speaker 5: you feel about tension and resistance instead of just regular workout.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know what, as you get older, I think
Speaker 3: that comes becomes better on the joints.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's what I'm starting to do now instead
Speaker 5: of just trying to go free weights and all of them,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get.
Speaker 3: It's a lot better on your joints when you start
Speaker 3: getting older. So I would like older older clients, I
Speaker 3: kind of have them doing more resistance bands and things
Speaker 3: of that nature then just going straight hardcore lift weightlifting.
Speaker 3: But you know, a lot of males they want to
Speaker 3: lift weights, you know, so when you bring the resistance band,
Speaker 3: they like, what is that resistance?
Speaker 6: They think?
Speaker 4: I'm like to Black October. It's all process. It doesn't
Speaker 4: have any five in its, so it doesn't fee your system.
Speaker 1: Makes sense.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Lex that's scary losing thirty pairs without
Speaker 4: the use of cardio.
Speaker 1: Shit, Lex, I lost fifty you really?
Speaker 4: Okay, Look, don't look at it that way, right, look
Speaker 4: at it like energy, right, Like calories are a metric
Speaker 4: for energy, right, that's the trick, right, So what's fat
Speaker 4: is just misplaced stored energy. Right, So when you lose weight,
Speaker 4: you're supposed to lose weight. You don't really need to
Speaker 4: work out to use the energy. Like you get up
Speaker 4: every day and live life and use energy. Right, so
Speaker 4: you're supposed to start making your body find the energy
Speaker 4: that's stored or misplaced.
Speaker 1: That's what losing weight.
Speaker 4: Is, right they what they call it, like a calorie
Speaker 4: deficit or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker 4: Instead of yeah, giving yourself more energy, right, you you
Speaker 4: taking less energy. So your body needs to use the
Speaker 4: energy stored to operate in this daily function.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 7: Yeah? And for me it was not scary, but it
Speaker 7: was eye opening to lose the thirty pounds and I
Speaker 7: wasn't working out because that just told me, like, I'm
Speaker 7: storing food at this point. Like I just changed literally
Speaker 7: one thing for ninety days and it kept me on
Speaker 7: track after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for me. That's how it is.
Speaker 6: How you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I eat one time of day, I eat one
Speaker 4: time of day.
Speaker 1: I just eat a protein vegetable and the fruit that's
Speaker 1: the whole meal. What's your portion looking like like a
Speaker 1: I'm really.
Speaker 4: Trying to take in less than four hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: calories And I kind of have a mental mind of
Speaker 4: exactly everything that everything that I'm meaning, Like I've been
Speaker 4: doing it long enough now to have a good idea.
Speaker 3: So it's simple, but something that's really important about it.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna ask you and and six about this. Uh,
Speaker 3: do you feel like when you change your diets you
Speaker 3: got more clarity mentally? Like like it's just sharper one.
Speaker 3: I was gonna bring that up when y'all was done
Speaker 3: with that point. The mental parity is another level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every Friday, I used to go forty eight hours
Speaker 4: without eating, Like That's how I got to the point,
Speaker 4: Like I used to go forty eight hours and then
Speaker 4: Ham started kind of challenged me. Then once a month
Speaker 4: for like three months, state I was going once a month,
Speaker 4: I would go seventy two hours without eating. Like if
Speaker 4: it was like if I needed to do something, if
Speaker 4: I didn't have the energy, I would just get a
Speaker 4: juice like fresh a fresh juice like freshm shit, put
Speaker 4: together some spinach, kale, pineapple, some shit just aw juice.
Speaker 1: So it really.
Speaker 4: It really make everything. You're not really supposed to have
Speaker 4: to work out to lose weight. You're supposed to work
Speaker 4: out to actually like make your blood flow and your
Speaker 4: heart work better.
Speaker 3: Working out really is supposed to be for a purpose.
Speaker 3: Like if you if I'm working out, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get muscles or I'm trying to be stronger or faster,
Speaker 3: that's what you really suppoed to be working out to
Speaker 3: be stronger, faster, gain muscle, but to lose weight. If
Speaker 3: you just ate properly, you will lose and just go
Speaker 3: through your every day. I mean, you know some people
Speaker 3: just ain't doing shit shit, but you know, but if
Speaker 3: you just go through your every day and eat properly,
Speaker 3: you'll you'll maintain a decent weight that you know, the
Speaker 3: weight your body's supposed to be at.
Speaker 7: I would be really fat if I if I wasn't
Speaker 7: vegan right now, because even right now, I was saying,
Speaker 7: the last like two months, I've been like an unhealthy vegan,
Speaker 7: just eating processed ship and chilling and making beats. And
Speaker 7: you know, it's not basketball season, so I ain't in
Speaker 7: the gym moving around every day but if I wasn't
Speaker 7: like somewhat you know where I am, but yeah, I
Speaker 7: would have, I'd probably be like, hell, a big from
Speaker 7: my height wouldn't be cool at all.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Tree. I'll be using coffee to cheat
Speaker 1: the nash you swear by coffee. So what are the
Speaker 1: benefits like?
Speaker 3: Because I just start drinking mushroom coffee in the morning
Speaker 3: for my digestives my entire that's.
Speaker 4: On that same list as alcohol, any type of alcohol,
Speaker 4: any type of drugs.
Speaker 1: Coffee. See that's me.
Speaker 3: I just was my first cup of coffee in forty
Speaker 3: years because I'm like you, like, I don't I'm not
Speaker 3: putting anything in my body.
Speaker 4: I think that I wasn't thinking that I knew I was. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I never thought about not doing drugs. I never like
Speaker 4: made a pack like I wasn't gonna drink or do
Speaker 4: drugs or drink coffee.
Speaker 1: I just never have.
Speaker 3: If I've seen somebody get hooked to something, I like,
Speaker 3: I'm not using that shit. And I've seen too many
Speaker 3: people be man, come on, you've seen that starbreack line
Speaker 3: be cracking like you like, what is happening over there?
Speaker 1: Like what they got going on over there? Back in
Speaker 1: the day, everybody drank coffee.
Speaker 4: Teachers and shit, regular people like your parents going to
Speaker 4: work drink coffee.
Speaker 1: Teachers drink coffee.
Speaker 4: Now I know people younger than me, like I know
Speaker 4: some people that's like seventeen.
Speaker 1: They drink coffee every.
Speaker 7: Day, every day. I see it at the high school level.
Speaker 1: So you write Starbucks creating like a trap. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want no parts of that.
Speaker 3: So I yeah, somebody talking about people when when when
Speaker 3: you wake up talking about I gotta get my coffee
Speaker 3: for nah, I was like, I don't want none of that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a part of that.
Speaker 5: Whatever that ship is, coffee is. Coffee is like a fruit.
Speaker 5: Whoa look it up. I don't know, look at it
Speaker 5: to see, like, look up coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm not doubt you. I have no idea. I never
Speaker 1: I never didn't every morning. No I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't drink coffee. I never got into coffee. But
Speaker 4: now that I think about it, it is like it
Speaker 4: is like a trap house.
Speaker 1: It is like a trap.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite go to like white beans is
Speaker 4: my ship too, white beans, White navy beans, Yeah, white
Speaker 4: navy beans.
Speaker 1: Little navy beans is my ship. That, like, I make
Speaker 1: some navy beans.
Speaker 4: That motherfucking meal go a long way, fucking a bowl
Speaker 4: of white navy beans, nothing else. I think in general,
Speaker 4: bowl of white navy beans every day for a week
Speaker 4: and won't get tired.
Speaker 1: And I could just eat that by myself with some
Speaker 1: fruit and be a one. I probably could do black
Speaker 1: beans like that. Yeah I like black beans. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably do black beans like that, straight white navy beans.
Speaker 1: It was fire every day.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to talk about something. We didn't talk
Speaker 4: about this shit this whole time, which is cool because
Speaker 4: that's the whole point of doing this, is the information.
Speaker 4: But I was talking to Joey today right shout out
Speaker 4: the West Shide. Happy birthday again to my nigga west
Speaker 4: Side man. I gotta go get him something or send
Speaker 4: me some money or something to get some gas or something.
Speaker 1: Grown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sitting mahnda, have your birthday, nigga, send a nigga
Speaker 4: hun real quick.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 4: And I was going to get some paint for the
Speaker 4: I need to paint the uh the things for the
Speaker 4: music video we're shooting two weeks right something like, I
Speaker 4: need to paint the props. And I was at the
Speaker 4: paint shop and I was ordered some paint and I
Speaker 4: was just thinking about how stressed now I'm not stressed
Speaker 4: right now. I think this is because of like we're
Speaker 4: talking about this sign of working out walking, So I'm
Speaker 4: not stressed normally. Like a year ago, I'd have been
Speaker 4: stressed the fuck out.
Speaker 1: It's two weeks. It's a lot to put together. But
Speaker 1: because I've.
Speaker 4: Been eating a certain way and everything, I think I
Speaker 4: see it a little bit more clear. I'm able to
Speaker 4: dictate to people want that want to help me more.
Speaker 4: I'm starting to figure out the right people to be
Speaker 4: in my cipher, you know what I mean to help.
Speaker 4: So I'm telling Joey I realized why rappers don't really
Speaker 4: get paid that way in his business.
Speaker 1: I was telling him and Don dubbed that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, say that way, what you mean, Like, if
Speaker 5: it's twenty million dollars, a rapper probably only deserves two
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars at best.
Speaker 4: And I was saying, I'm like, it's not no real work.
Speaker 4: And Joey was telling me, he was like, man, g
Speaker 4: you tripping look like nigga.
Speaker 1: This shit work. And I'm like, no, it's not.
Speaker 4: And I get to Don thought I was tripping, and
Speaker 4: I get it because we on the artist side to
Speaker 4: a degree, right, we are artists. But when I tell
Speaker 4: you the sheer work it takes to actually make something happen,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, The sheer thought that it
Speaker 4: takes to make something happen is crazy. To to present
Speaker 4: it to people, to make it digestible, to make people
Speaker 4: want to digest it is in fuckingsane like marketing, right.
Speaker 4: So it's one thing to produce a song, right, to
Speaker 4: produce it and bring finish the production right. Shout out
Speaker 4: to Jason Joshua Mohamie. Jason is mixing for me. Jason
Speaker 4: one of the best mixtures in the world. But I'm
Speaker 4: one of the earliest people that gave him a budget
Speaker 4: to mix, so he's looking out. He knocking it out,
Speaker 4: making it beat Me and a couple homies made it.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Ep, who just came back from a
Speaker 4: successful tour with Gang. He worked on it. Shout out
Speaker 4: to my homeboy Hunger. You know what I mean, we
Speaker 4: created the bones of it. Shout out to the different
Speaker 4: people that made it be a dope record. That's easy,
Speaker 4: that was like easy, even a scratch. Out out to
Speaker 4: the Homy that scratched on the sacks and his homy
Speaker 4: dazzy d they scratched on it.
Speaker 1: I pretty much got it all the way together. We
Speaker 1: did it all together. That shit easy. This marketing and
Speaker 1: shit is hard.
Speaker 4: Like, man, you gotta think about so many different things
Speaker 4: every toe, Like I gotta go to the venue tomorrow,
Speaker 4: right for the video, right, I gotta go look at it.
Speaker 4: I gotta count all of this shit is crazy.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a question. Gee, do you
Speaker 1: think it's easy?
Speaker 3: All the other stuff is easy because that you know
Speaker 3: how to do it and it's in your wheelhouse and
Speaker 3: you love it. And then the marketing is something that
Speaker 3: you just really starting to work on and understand because
Speaker 3: when you were naming all the shit, y'all just did
Speaker 3: y'all did. I'm sitting here like, that's just hard to me.
Speaker 3: I think making a record.
Speaker 1: Does, has it?
Speaker 4: You gotta know a little bit about records to make
Speaker 4: a record up and get a record.
Speaker 1: You can look up and get a record, for sure, but.
Speaker 4: To consistently make really good records that people can digest
Speaker 4: and you can hear the quality off of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it takes some skills, that's true. You do have to
Speaker 4: learn some stuff. I could have been doing marketing for
Speaker 4: twenty years. It's gonna be hard, you think, so fuck yeah,
Speaker 4: And it's simple.
Speaker 1: You put me and King in there and say, hey,
Speaker 1: go make a song hit guys. I don't think we
Speaker 1: but yeah, because you started from zero. With the right
Speaker 1: market then though, and the right projected we could so somebody.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. I could take somebody who don't
Speaker 4: know nothing about music.
Speaker 1: And make a hit record.
Speaker 3: So you think you could take somebody zero make a
Speaker 3: hit record with somebody, I could take a niggat.
Speaker 1: Zero to go at this point in my career where
Speaker 1: I know it's just take the money though, right, just
Speaker 1: take the money, taking a.
Speaker 4: Lot of money. Yeah, but I know exactly what to
Speaker 4: do zero to gold.
Speaker 3: He ain't got no longevity though, zero chance.
Speaker 1: Unless unless like TLC, where I'm just making all the money.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it's like you keep on going them doing
Speaker 4: it theyself, No no chance. But for sure I could
Speaker 4: do that. The problem is there is no fucking artist
Speaker 4: that's a great artist, whether that don't know how to market,
Speaker 4: that could take a.
Speaker 1: Song from zero to gold.
Speaker 4: I'm so you could find the best record maker as
Speaker 4: Jermaine du Pre cut this part out out of the
Speaker 4: live here. I'm gonna give y'all chances to screen record
Speaker 4: this for the live screen record this start. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give y'all five seconds so you can scream record this
Speaker 4: and then y'all send it. Tweet this to Jermaine Dupre mark.
Speaker 4: Tweet this to Jermaine Dupre and see if you agree
Speaker 4: with me. As Jermaine do prix, could he create a
Speaker 4: hit record and without nobody that knows how to market
Speaker 4: would it go go?
Speaker 1: So? No mark? Bad marketing, but good record, incredible record,
Speaker 1: incredible record, bad marketing impossible, impossible, I say, I dig
Speaker 1: it impossible.
Speaker 7: You saying in every era or this era, in.
Speaker 4: Any era in history, you could pick an era, it's
Speaker 4: going to be virtually impossible for a great record with
Speaker 4: no marketing to go go.
Speaker 1: But I've heard a lot of bad records or decent
Speaker 1: records go go with great marketing.
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree still now man, right now? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent. I think my only question
Speaker 3: is that is the longevity of it.
Speaker 4: No, so the artist is not gonna have a long joby,
Speaker 4: because you would need somebody else working on the song.
Speaker 4: But that's also why that artist is not. It's like
Speaker 4: with TLC. When artists come into business, you hear the
Speaker 4: stories the horse Tale, shout out to TLC, shout out
Speaker 4: to T Box, Chili, Recipeace Left.
Speaker 1: You hear stories, oh man, they didn't get paid a
Speaker 1: lot of money, or you hear stories of new addition.
Speaker 1: Oh they didn't make that much money because everybody else
Speaker 1: was doing the damn work. But we're not saying they
Speaker 1: didn't have talent though, right, you definitely had talent. Talent
Speaker 1: they Why are you looking in the air thinking about this,
Speaker 1: like just say, no, they're not. They was good. What
Speaker 1: the hold hold them? Now?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 3: Why are we had talent? They just couldn't sing, that's
Speaker 3: the problem.
Speaker 1: So that's what and and and six No exactly, Okay,
Speaker 1: all knew exactly that was crazy because they can't sing. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yes and no.
Speaker 4: So their talent was they were like they had to
Speaker 4: look they looked a certain way because it's not their fashion,
Speaker 4: Like that's that's the Jermaine Duprix and and that whole
Speaker 4: everybody who was it was pebbles, that whole baby face,
Speaker 4: that whole machine that was over there, that what would
Speaker 4: be considered part of the face machine.
Speaker 1: They that was their imaging left left direct. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: that man? Right now? Yeah? Stinks was going left our rap? Six? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just looking.
Speaker 7: I don't like talking about people that ain't here.
Speaker 1: This lady passed away, that's not oh wow, okay.
Speaker 4: So but I'm saying, so when you happen to have talent,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm trying. I'm going down the list of
Speaker 4: things that they had talent about because they wasn't like
Speaker 4: great writers, right, They wasn't like great.
Speaker 1: Dancers, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like the singing somebody else's songs, Yeah, that was They
Speaker 5: was singing other people's music.
Speaker 1: They used their vocals.
Speaker 4: But then the producer, the person making the record also
Speaker 4: was doing a number.
Speaker 1: Like that was a real team effort. Remember now, Mike
Speaker 1: Luther Vandross Well he was so hold up, no, no,
Speaker 1: because I don't want make because I have to be
Speaker 1: have I ever just just respected. I just also don't
Speaker 1: want to lie to six. You're gonna be a part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 7: I'm here, I'll be here for that.
Speaker 4: I just don't want to lie to I don't want
Speaker 4: to lie. So I'm trying to figure out how to
Speaker 4: phrase it.
Speaker 1: Ke Ball don't sing better than Milly and Vanilli couldn't sing.
Speaker 1: They were terrible. I never heard them sing. Yeah, key
Speaker 1: Boss down better than both of them. Her voice is
Speaker 1: just unique enough to be better than theirs.
Speaker 7: The reason they got caught up is because they were
Speaker 7: doing the live performance. You remember the story, They're doing
Speaker 7: a live performance and the music went out, so everybody
Speaker 7: was like, okay, cool, like keep just keep the show going,
Speaker 7: and they like, they got caught.
Speaker 3: On camera, like y'all can look it up.
Speaker 7: No, I saw the ship in.
Speaker 3: The interview one day. Just start and they in a
Speaker 3: in a in a people made them start singing. They're like,
Speaker 3: all right, okay, thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not saying they're not nowhere many I
Speaker 4: don't even know enough about Like I wouldn't even I've
Speaker 4: never even like million songs with the other people right now, okay,
Speaker 4: quick question, I wouldn't have thought they was talented.
Speaker 3: So do you think that TLC? Do you think t
Speaker 3: C are one of the grow greatest girl groups of
Speaker 3: all time? And do you think it's becose talent and
Speaker 3: marketing or just more talent and more marketing.
Speaker 1: More marketing, way more marketing.
Speaker 3: How you feel about their talent coach because you I'm
Speaker 3: not about to get up in that at all.
Speaker 1: I'm let Glasses and six do that part because it's
Speaker 1: not fair. I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 7: You think about it like especially then like artist development,
Speaker 7: creating a look for them, all of that is part
Speaker 7: of the marketing.
Speaker 1: Elijah Lee the same.
Speaker 4: No Leah was okay, she was, she was cool, she
Speaker 4: used to get busy. She was a little bit mortality.
Speaker 4: She was mortality rather But but that's.
Speaker 1: The prime example.
Speaker 4: Look how large TLC's career was comparatively allan career was popping.
Speaker 4: But TLC is like fucking huge. But that's also, like
Speaker 4: I tell you all the time, it's not about talent, y'all.
Speaker 4: When y'all be looking at me crazy, I'm like, people
Speaker 4: don't know talent, they don't know a good record.
Speaker 1: I keep telling you that they don't know what's good.
Speaker 1: All they know is this is the finished product. That's
Speaker 1: what they know. This is the finished product.
Speaker 3: So you don't think that after the finished After the
Speaker 3: product is finished, the fans don't tell you if it's
Speaker 3: good or not.
Speaker 1: So you so you think the marketing.
Speaker 3: Tells us if it's good box seventy eight, Okay, So
Speaker 3: then why do we not? Why do people with no
Speaker 3: talent don't have no longevity?
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a lot of people that batality. Talent is subjective, right,
Speaker 4: Like that great.
Speaker 1: Songs and he had great songs. Talent.
Speaker 4: Talent may have not been singing. He was like he
Speaker 4: was a really good songwriter. H And people don't talk
Speaker 4: about that and his ability to deliver over the songs.
Speaker 4: So what's somebody talent is a lot different than somebody
Speaker 4: else being talented.
Speaker 1: And I think that has to go with also the
Speaker 1: way they delivered the music.
Speaker 3: They didn't deliver that Meah, they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It was his talent. I wouldn't be able to tell
Speaker 1: you quite what TLC talent is. I know that's up.
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. I'm I don't know. He just
Speaker 1: kept pushing it. No, I don't know their talent.
Speaker 7: Tomorrow tomorrow episode?
Speaker 1: Have I ever DIDLC? You're doing that.
Speaker 7: That right, coach?
Speaker 6: Do that to you?
Speaker 7: I just didn't write there.
Speaker 1: I just don't know what their talents was, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They had, they had, they had just enough of everything.
Speaker 3: I agree they had They had a little bit of everything. Man, yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit. They could dance a little bit, they
Speaker 3: had to. That swag was theirs. You think that swag
Speaker 3: was marketed. I think I think t C was was
Speaker 3: probably the most.
Speaker 1: You just don't know what went into making that girl group.
Speaker 3: So you think that when they did their interviews and stuff,
Speaker 3: that their their charisma didn't come out in those interviews
Speaker 3: their own cares.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just I kind of when
Speaker 1: I saw t O C. And I'm a dude.
Speaker 3: When I saw t O C, I was like, I
Speaker 3: was confused. When I saw t OC, I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, they sexy as fuck, but the
Speaker 3: talent god, all right, cool. But I'm just saying but
Speaker 3: I also thought that they was was dope, Like as
Speaker 3: far as you know, how they was, how they how
Speaker 3: they how they danced on the today.
Speaker 1: Songs, the uh.
Speaker 6: But but what but what?
Speaker 7: But I'm just saying that was it.
Speaker 3: I just thought they were, you know, they were tight
Speaker 3: in a guideway though, Like I didn't look at them
Speaker 3: like women when they did when they performed like ship
Speaker 3: like a dude, Like I was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 3: type for a guy to be doing right now.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just being honest now that I know
Speaker 4: the business is is Uh yeah, I wouldn't have thought
Speaker 4: of them as talented. That's not what I'm No, I'm
Speaker 4: not saying they don't have talent. I'm telling you they're
Speaker 4: not what I would have thought of as talented. Like
Speaker 4: Wenney Houston was talented, but she was marketed.
Speaker 1: With you talking about like a singer talent.
Speaker 4: That's because a singer talent is fucking singing. That should
Speaker 4: be your first It's weird when your first talent as
Speaker 4: a singer is not singing. We're in the heroine now
Speaker 4: where like we was talking about Oh boy, when try
Speaker 4: trap Ass was talking about him, Uh, what's cousin name?
Speaker 1: Oh Frank? I was mad.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't hear for that because y'all y'all disrespected Frank Ocean.
Speaker 1: Like he his talent is righting, his talent is right,
Speaker 1: so he makes and he writes your great songs? Not great?
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this great? Frank Ocean makes great songs.
Speaker 1: He writes good song. Pyramids is a great song. Never
Speaker 1: too Much is a great song.
Speaker 6: So sick.
Speaker 1: That's because because because because if I start going after
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay, it's gonna get to another level.
Speaker 4: I'm giving you some entry point, like like uh, Nobody
Speaker 4: by Keith Sweat is a great song. Pyramids is not
Speaker 4: that good of a song, Like Pyramids is good for today,
Speaker 4: like today's R and B. Frank Ocean is like Marvin Gay,
Speaker 4: but in the pantheonicy the history of R and B,
Speaker 4: he would have not been able to be in no
Speaker 4: era with singers. I could see that his talent is writing,
Speaker 4: but he's also not an incredible writer. Dream is an
Speaker 4: incredible writer.
Speaker 1: Dream. Okay, Okay, So with Frank Ocean b the dream
Speaker 1: of today.
Speaker 7: Hell, No.
Speaker 1: Dream is a six see six. Talk to this motherfucker
Speaker 1: talk to today. Okay.
Speaker 3: I think I think my problem with Frank Ochin is
Speaker 3: the the quantity of music, Like he needs to put
Speaker 3: out more in music. But I think if you put
Speaker 3: out more in music, you'll be able to see more
Speaker 3: of his talent and you'll be able to see that
Speaker 3: he probably is more Key Sweat than than Dream.
Speaker 1: He's not even close to Key Sweat.
Speaker 7: You're talking about what.
Speaker 1: I agree he's not. I agree he's not close. And
Speaker 1: that's my problem right now because of the quantity.
Speaker 4: But I'm talking about his first album and as good
Speaker 4: as Keith Sweats first album. True, that's ship crazy is
Speaker 4: Kip Sweat, don't he don't Frank Ocean. And that's a
Speaker 4: prime example of really great marketing withou probably B minus
Speaker 4: songwriting D plus singing.
Speaker 7: You gotta think of like like Sean Garrett Way, Colder
Speaker 7: Pittning and Frank Ocean. And he wrote all the early
Speaker 7: Chris Brown stuff.
Speaker 4: Ty dollar Son is a better singer than Frank Ocean.
Speaker 4: That's my problem. He's a better writer too.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought up Chris Brown.
Speaker 7: So t OC.
Speaker 3: I feel like some people are performers you don't think
Speaker 3: is their performers.
Speaker 1: Goes in that performer Brown.
Speaker 4: But so I'm telling you so when we're saying this,
Speaker 4: you're asking me right versus marketing artistry, Like I'm going
Speaker 4: to go to talented people that that nigga Chris Brown
Speaker 4: has talent as a performer.
Speaker 1: No doubt about yo.
Speaker 3: But I'm coming like a six like six kind of
Speaker 3: a six six is right, I'm gonna like six six
Speaker 3: is TLC got a six in every box though, like
Speaker 3: six here, six, they're six there? And when you put
Speaker 3: it all together equal one of the greatest girl groups
Speaker 3: of all time. Okay, except for ten marketing ten though
Speaker 3: marketing ten and then everything else till everything else four
Speaker 3: foorst Why are you going on your way to do that?
Speaker 1: Why do you give me six? Why did you say
Speaker 1: all right six school we just moved on. Why you
Speaker 1: gotta say four?
Speaker 4: Because one, they're not songwriters. As dancers, they're probably a four.
Speaker 4: As singers, they're probably a four. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 4: So as sexy, there are nine.
Speaker 1: They were. They were beautiful women. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ten. Yeah, I'm with that too. That's gonna go ten.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ten. TLC may hit records. No, no,
Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't make hit records. Somebody else made
Speaker 1: them records all the way to.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Trap, who's supposed to be in the
Speaker 4: damn chat with he told me talk about glasses deals
Speaker 4: in nostalgia. Dream is not nostalgic. Dream is a great
Speaker 4: R and B writer. But that's that's an A plus
Speaker 4: p N with a D minus voice. A D plus voice.
Speaker 1: Dream is probably a dream might even be an F voice.
Speaker 4: Dream might be the worst d plus man, I don't
Speaker 4: think I've heard worst saying.
Speaker 1: You might be the hardest critic in the worst like
Speaker 1: you f it's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, like f is crazy.
Speaker 1: You've heard the worst singer that's had his records, didn't
Speaker 1: Dreamily Vanilly. I just brought up one Lly. We never
Speaker 1: heard their voice. We did. It was bad, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Use that you didn't hear their voice. Ray J, ray
Speaker 1: J ray J had the interer the check that ra
Speaker 1: dream I don't know. I don't know. Hey, web we
Speaker 1: hold on sa no no, no no. He thinks about
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, nah, I think right, Ja is a
Speaker 1: little better, just.
Speaker 7: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Damn, that's right. One of them messing with t Pain though, No,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I think Paint got him both beat for sure. The
Speaker 1: rage is pretty.
Speaker 4: I think can actually really sing. I've heard real singing
Speaker 4: on records with can actually sing. He just got a
Speaker 4: unique But that's my point. So it's like, when we
Speaker 4: watch these labels do these incredible jobs with artists, I
Speaker 4: think we don't really see it that way, and I
Speaker 4: get it. Frank Ocean is a prime example of really
Speaker 4: good marketing really again. As a songwriter, I think he's
Speaker 4: a B minus B plus how to be plus, how
Speaker 4: to be plus.
Speaker 1: Heth Sweat is probably a B plus.
Speaker 3: Keith a no because he sings so bad singer, A writer,
Speaker 3: A writer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, writer? No six? Keep what you think, ke Keth?
Speaker 1: So who's a writer? R Kelly's a writer, Okay, R
Speaker 1: Kelly's an a writer, babyface a writer? Dream is an
Speaker 1: a writer? So wait, hold on, you got do you
Speaker 1: got dream over? As a writer?
Speaker 5: Hen?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Dream of bad mother?
Speaker 4: One thing you can't play with that crazy signing motherfucker
Speaker 4: That pen for real? That PN is for real, that
Speaker 4: nigga pin for real, for real, for real.
Speaker 1: I just said that, Lex. I think Keith Sweat is
Speaker 1: a D plus singer. Yeah, D plus. I give him
Speaker 1: D plus maybe C minus pushing it with D plus.
Speaker 3: But his his writing skills are so good, and the
Speaker 3: and the music. Look, he's still performing that that with
Speaker 3: that badass singing. He sings worse now and he's still
Speaker 3: out there on stages right now humping.
Speaker 4: And I disagree with you, but but again, I'm also
Speaker 4: being honest with him as a writer versus if I'm
Speaker 4: gonna put him in like in.
Speaker 1: The top tier. Neo is a A plus writer. I
Speaker 1: agree with that them is all a's about them.
Speaker 4: Babyface is an a uh uh NEOs of a dreams
Speaker 4: about Usher Usher don't really write?
Speaker 1: Yeah, j D and j D and and uh what's hommie?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: Brian Michael Coxon is an A A writers. I'm saying dream.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm saying Frank Ocean is not that tear.
Speaker 3: But if you're calling them A writers, you gotta throw
Speaker 3: Keith Sweat up in there. Nah, you gotta throw Keith
Speaker 3: up in there. Keith Sweat made it. He he has
Speaker 3: hit records that are going to be all time great
Speaker 3: or andb something like if you looked up the top
Speaker 3: hundred some songs in there, he's terrible.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to disagree with you. I just would
Speaker 1: like to believe an A plus writer could also write
Speaker 1: here records for other people.
Speaker 7: Sean Garrett is a really good writer.
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, the key who has Keith Sweat Roe songs for.
Speaker 7: I don't know enough of his writing catalog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good.
Speaker 4: And who wrote just got Paid? I know that was
Speaker 4: originally supposed to be a Keith Sweat song.
Speaker 1: What does it sounds like a could be.
Speaker 4: I wonder who wrote just got paid? I wonder if
Speaker 4: Key Sweat wrote that. But anyway, the point I'm saying
Speaker 4: is is.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Teddy wrote that.
Speaker 3: I was about to say Teddy Riley might have wrote
Speaker 3: that song. I don't know for sure, but that's that
Speaker 3: really sounded like a Teddy Riley.
Speaker 7: So Keith Sweat wrote for.
Speaker 1: He wrote for Silk, Drew Hill, what's his biggest record?
Speaker 4: For somebody else? See that's what I made? Righty here
Speaker 4: for yourself and writy here for somebody else.
Speaker 3: He co wrote Crow wrote freak Me for Silk. Oh
Speaker 3: that's a that's a great that's a great song. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a great song. Yeah, man, stop playing with
Speaker 3: keiths Man. That's a great song. Yeah you're right, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not mad.
Speaker 7: But the other it says. He also co wrote freak
Speaker 7: Me for Silk and Extra for Immature. Like they got
Speaker 7: those his biggest records.
Speaker 6: That's not bad.
Speaker 4: They get him right there, he called. Even if he
Speaker 4: ate minus, that's fine because I had him as a
Speaker 4: B plus.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 4: It's eighty eight percent or ninety one percent, either way,
Speaker 4: it's all good. But I'm saying, Frank Ocean ain't ain't
Speaker 4: nowhere near there.
Speaker 1: Let's telling Teddy Riley for just got paid? You produced that?
Speaker 1: Who wrote it? Tell you to produce it? Johnny and
Speaker 1: Jean Griff produced it.
Speaker 4: Jingjing was like one of them executives who took credit
Speaker 4: for shitt gen ain't real ship.
Speaker 1: The regions get righted ship, Jeans get too much that
Speaker 1: degreded for Teddy work all right. Jan was the cold
Speaker 1: one of them called execs that get you with that money.
Speaker 7: Like we wrote it, Johnny Kemp, You're a writer.
Speaker 1: New York, New York.
Speaker 4: He was the coldest industry gangsters in the world, like
Speaker 4: people talk about Shugar, like the New York industry gangsters
Speaker 4: are the best stories.
Speaker 1: They can make a fucking TV show about the motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Jean was the real Big Red.
Speaker 4: Jean was the real deal though the song right just
Speaker 4: Jean got credit on Bobby Brown's second album Nothing Ain't.
Speaker 3: Real Ship Big Red he uh oh man, Big was food.
Speaker 3: But Bobby another one?
Speaker 1: So was he? Is he a performer? Or is Bobby
Speaker 1: Bobby was? Bobby was a performer? Bobby is?
Speaker 4: Bobby is the original Usher? What's crazy is Usher's career
Speaker 4: was projected to be like Usher's career was projected to
Speaker 4: be like Bobby Brown, but ended up being closer to
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson's. Chris Brown's career was projected to be more
Speaker 4: like Michael Jackson and ended up more like Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1: WHOA hold up? Now? Okay, So as an artist, I
Speaker 1: like Usher better. I think he's more of my age.
Speaker 3: But you don't think Chris Brown is the bigger artist, no,
Speaker 3: Like I think I think that Usher might have I
Speaker 3: think bigger hits one or but Chris Brown body of
Speaker 3: work is crazy.
Speaker 1: Chris Brown is a bigger artist than Usher. So so
Speaker 1: you said he is a bigger one six, I think
Speaker 1: so for sure. Like his body work is insane.
Speaker 5: I think so he got thousands of song I think
Speaker 5: he has a bigger catalog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that catalog is insane. But he is a really
Speaker 1: big star. Bro, I don't seem like I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think that is a huge start. But I think
Speaker 1: we're a big star too.
Speaker 4: But I think Chris Brown start took Chris Brown star
Speaker 4: took a lot of shade too, and that messed up
Speaker 4: his startup.
Speaker 3: I think I think Chris Brown definitely did some did
Speaker 3: some Bobby Brown don't.
Speaker 1: Even think it wasn't even that bad.
Speaker 4: But again, the way the world acted, they got the
Speaker 4: same last night. Yeah, Browns the Brown you do still
Speaker 4: mistreat Chris Brown.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think, like you know, you know how
Speaker 7: when something like that happened is so detrimental to your career,
Speaker 7: like some of those things you're not bouncing back from.
Speaker 7: Your career is never the same. I thought, for the
Speaker 7: most part his core fan base, they've forgiven him because
Speaker 7: he wouldn't he wouldn't have been able to come back
Speaker 7: and do what he's done post the bullshit he did,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The problem is Chris Brown don't have a confession.
Speaker 3: Hm hmm, not just a big thing.
Speaker 1: You're right, he doesn't have a confessions, but he has
Speaker 1: so like Chris Brown has a ton of really big,
Speaker 1: great records, records.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought that up, just quick side step.
Speaker 7: But to your point earlier marketing confessions one marketing not
Speaker 7: true story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the writing was incredible to the story on.
Speaker 3: What confessions, the weave of the story with the Usher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was how big TLC was too. Everybody thought
Speaker 4: those stories were about Usher and left. I mean Usher
Speaker 4: and Chili.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a big thing because you know so
Speaker 7: I probably shouldn't say that, go ahead, but I'll preface
Speaker 7: it like this. So when Neo got to Death Jam,
Speaker 7: they were looking to try to create a similar thing
Speaker 7: for him for his first album. That's when we got
Speaker 7: to find out what the whole backstory of Confessions and
Speaker 7: stuff was. But we ended up not doing going that direction.
Speaker 7: But yeah, they was gonna create a whole, a whole
Speaker 7: marketing campaign around something similar because it worked for Usher.
Speaker 3: I think now got me thinking about it. Usher is
Speaker 3: is him? Like now I'm thinking about it. Confessions might
Speaker 3: be top three best R and B albums ever.
Speaker 1: Made, definitely more successful. It's definitely one of the ones
Speaker 1: that success.
Speaker 3: Confessions is better than any one album that Chris Brown
Speaker 3: has done. Chris Brown got more hits, I think more.
Speaker 7: I don't, And I'm not even saying that that Chris
Speaker 7: is a better artist. I think he's a bigger artist.
Speaker 7: I don't think he's I don't think he's better.
Speaker 4: I think he could be better. I don't think he's bigger.
Speaker 4: I think you could say he's better, but I don't
Speaker 4: think he's bigger.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw something out there. Man, y'all body knock
Speaker 3: gonna like this or y'all his confession is better than Thriller.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not gonna respond to that, just trying to make.
Speaker 1: Trying to make me, Chris trying to bay me. No,
Speaker 1: I I know I'm throwing it out there for six
Speaker 1: apparently you know he got some he got some sick
Speaker 1: quietly over there, fans some ship because you need to
Speaker 1: calm down.
Speaker 3: I think because all of all of us is forty
Speaker 3: and over, I think we just partial to none of us. Imagine,
Speaker 3: I mean, Michael, you that none of us, none of
Speaker 3: us is Thriller, is none of our heroes, none of
Speaker 3: us is that so all?
Speaker 1: You know, but you know you kind of a baby though,
Speaker 1: you kind of I think I was in junior high fifteen.
Speaker 3: I think we have to say we gotta say thrillers
Speaker 3: better than okay. I say, you mean we gotta say
Speaker 3: you okay? So all right, fine, because I ain't nobody
Speaker 3: about to get on that boat. But is confessed is
Speaker 3: better than any solo project that Prince ever did, any solo.
Speaker 1: Albums better than a few of them. I know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about if you take Prince, I don't know
Speaker 3: what Prince best. What was Little Red Corvett and stuff on?
Speaker 3: I don't know if you take Prince's best album he's
Speaker 3: ever done.
Speaker 1: Purple No, it's not better than Purple Rang. It's on
Speaker 1: Purple Rain as it ain't better than Purple Ring.
Speaker 3: What you think six it's not I said no from
Speaker 3: the rip women.
Speaker 1: Purple Rain.
Speaker 3: You don't think you don't think Confessions better in Purple No? Absolutely,
Speaker 3: And I'm a Princes fan like I like.
Speaker 1: All the way through a movie to did he put
Speaker 1: the movie on it?
Speaker 3: And Confessions is incredible? But it's just the bad move.
Speaker 1: Hold up, So that's that's our eerror that that's the
Speaker 1: one of our era. That's our era. So you know
Speaker 1: we I'm gonna have to be out of y'all, man.
Speaker 3: I think Confessions might be better than any one album
Speaker 3: that Prince ever done.
Speaker 1: Bro. I'm about look to see for song and Confessions
Speaker 1: has no skips. Purple Rain got some skips on therestand
Speaker 1: I'm a Prince, okay, but you're just still a baby
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean? You can't take in
Speaker 1: quite with them adults was talking about.
Speaker 7: At the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3: Right under stand that time because that's like it was
Speaker 3: four A. I did grow up and I did listen
Speaker 3: to Purple Rain after an A doe.
Speaker 1: You know you still so time and face matters like
Speaker 1: like I can't remember more day do I love? I
Speaker 1: love mores Day.
Speaker 4: Actually, life is up there, Thriller is up there, Herble
Speaker 4: Rain is up there. It's some records up there. Confessions
Speaker 4: is probably like on the bottom half of the ten.
Speaker 4: It's about half of the somewhere between seven and ten.
Speaker 1: That's insane. It's not freewhere. Yeah, it's some ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some ship. It's some ship. Songs of the kid, like,
Speaker 1: let me throw this out here, y'all like Computer Blue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, it was cool because it flowed.
Speaker 1: The whole album flowed from one song to the next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my gold crazy. No, I'm Prince broke.
Speaker 4: I'm coming off like trying to get a purple trying
Speaker 4: to get a purple range.
Speaker 1: I love, I love Prince, but something every blue moon,
Speaker 1: Prince will put a song. I'm trying to, like, y'all
Speaker 1: tripping off and list a song man.
Speaker 7: Prince's that guy.
Speaker 1: I agree. Okay.
Speaker 3: Now, first of all, six just not act like he's
Speaker 3: always been that guy though, Like it was a time
Speaker 3: where people, well people is not liking Prince, all right,
Speaker 3: come out here, and I was telling me stories about
Speaker 3: when Prince came and performed live out here and he
Speaker 3: got booed up that goddamn stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he had look turned around show disass
Speaker 1: to people. And definitely he definitely it was bad marketing.
Speaker 1: That's bad marketing. Those parents, bro, that's bad one. It
Speaker 1: wasn't talented. He definitely they was doing the outfit because
Speaker 1: he's been that dude musically since he was like twelve
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 7: All right, Petere to the King, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm with him. Six Prince better than Michael.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna say that that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he said r P to the King.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that he always battled each other for
Speaker 1: that one spot though. Yeah, I mean back and forth.
Speaker 7: Gee, you think like Michael Man.
Speaker 3: Do you think Michael is the best marketed act of
Speaker 3: all time? Probably so so that when great marketing meets
Speaker 3: great talent right.
Speaker 1: There, because Mike was a special talent. Yeah, that but
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like.
Speaker 4: And then it ends up a legend Mike, and then
Speaker 4: you still need some accidental things like your hair catch
Speaker 4: on fire.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't plan that type of marketing.
Speaker 3: Do you think Michael becomes a bit a huge artist
Speaker 3: without good marketing behind him, even though he was that talented,
Speaker 3: no pull up?
Speaker 1: But Mike started as a kid thing the Jackson five
Speaker 1: with the cartoon he was. Come on, man, if.
Speaker 4: Mike was a talented But again, you gotta think like
Speaker 4: Stevie Wonder. It's like when it comes to making music
Speaker 4: and writing music, there are way more talented people than
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson writing music. And yeah, forgive me writing music.
Speaker 4: Let me not play with anything like that either. But
Speaker 4: overall composing a record, there's probably more talented people, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: But as the whole talent though wanted, he's the He's
Speaker 4: Floyd Mayweather.
Speaker 7: I mean, Prince could play every instrument on stage really well.
Speaker 1: I mean Brian mc knight can't do like that. He
Speaker 1: might Brian get cracking.
Speaker 5: That's something where talent got cracking with decent marketing. Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: mcnight is a perfect example of decent marketing.
Speaker 1: But the nigga just was amazing. Is he better than
Speaker 1: Frank Ocean? Come on in the same category.
Speaker 7: Troll coach Coach.
Speaker 1: Frank Ocean couldn't watch Brian M. Knight underwear. He probably
Speaker 1: wanted to, but that's you.
Speaker 5: You want some of that ship, that ship that Brian
Speaker 5: Mnight got going on. Brian is dope, Bro, Brian way
Speaker 5: better than Frank Frank o. Ship is not a top
Speaker 5: hundred guy.
Speaker 6: Frank.
Speaker 1: If he is, he'd be on the bottom half of
Speaker 1: the hundred.
Speaker 3: I agree, because now I think about it, I didn't
Speaker 3: like Bragi the Night until I saw him live. When
Speaker 3: I saw him live, I said, no, crazy, I want
Speaker 3: to go see him. And Tyree was came out before him,
Speaker 3: hoping open in that and I'm in there because I'm.
Speaker 1: A short short Yeah really bro, so I'm coming there.
Speaker 1: I said, open enough for this old that's not like
Speaker 1: what has happened. And he's killing and ship. We you
Speaker 1: know we're in l A.
Speaker 3: So Tyree's killing that ship too. Yeah, he in there,
Speaker 3: krip walking everything. So I'm up in there, like, hey,
Speaker 3: Tyrus is, how how is he gonna follow this?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 1: Brian Knight? So it was levels bro, so out man,
Speaker 1: you know, and on some different ship. Ty is the
Speaker 1: last singer that sounds like a man. Okay, Hey, Brian
Speaker 1: mian knight is Brian McKnight is on some different shit. Bro, Yeah, Brian,
Speaker 1: is that Frank Ocean. Not?
Speaker 5: No, That's what I'm saying. It's not nostalgic, like like
Speaker 5: Trap calls the nostalgia. I think he just a prisoner
Speaker 5: of the moment.
Speaker 4: He's looking at Frank Ocean as the most successful and
Speaker 4: it's like I always say, it's dirty water in the desert, Like,
Speaker 4: the problem is I've actually had clean water.
Speaker 3: Ran Ocean gonna make a song called dirty word Water.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great. It's gonna be tight too.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a great Frank Ocean song. The problem
Speaker 4: is it's not gonna just be a great R and
Speaker 4: B song. Frank Ocean makes great Frank Ocean songs, and
Speaker 4: that's what music has become.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: It's like, long as your songs fit your brand and
Speaker 4: what people follow you for, they think it's great.
Speaker 1: But I never was in a Luther Van draws. You
Speaker 1: hear Luther Van draws, You know that's shit different. So
Speaker 1: you think music was better than Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: still people that make good music. Now. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you the particular people that people are praising are not
Speaker 1: the best in music. I like that music.
Speaker 7: I like that music was more diverse. Everybody had like
Speaker 7: something really unique about.
Speaker 1: That old times for cracking back then. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. I think there's great artists now.
Speaker 4: So the problem is now the best singers don't get
Speaker 4: the best songs because the best writers are bad singers,
Speaker 4: so they keeping the songs. So now the best singers
Speaker 4: are singing decent songs and the worst singers are singing
Speaker 4: great songs.
Speaker 1: That's what's wrong.
Speaker 4: Back in the day, you would have new yo, no
Speaker 4: singing ass had no action, you wouldn't even try to
Speaker 4: Nobody would spend no money in no studio, nobody would
Speaker 4: have financed, nobody would have got behind you.
Speaker 1: Now you could build your movement.
Speaker 4: You could market your movement as the thing right and
Speaker 4: then guess what, Now everybody's buyding to your movement as
Speaker 4: long as the music fits your movement.
Speaker 1: That's Frank Ocean to me.
Speaker 3: I feel like back in the day, they'll write a
Speaker 3: song and whoever sung it the best, it came out with.
Speaker 1: The same song.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying the problem is now, like imagine if
Speaker 4: somebody that really could sing had those dream songs. And
Speaker 4: those dream songs are big records now, but imagine like
Speaker 4: somebody that really could blow had them fucking dream records
Speaker 4: like oh give example, I don't give a fuck, it's
Speaker 4: up been over because Brian could.
Speaker 7: I think there's a line though, gee where it's like
Speaker 7: some of those like if I think about like I
Speaker 7: love your Girl, dream I love your girl, I don't
Speaker 7: think only he could sing that song. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 7: think a great singer.
Speaker 3: Would sound good on that song, right, Okay, I dig that.
Speaker 7: I get that he will.
Speaker 4: He will make some But I think that's why I
Speaker 4: dream even though he's not a good singer, he's a
Speaker 4: fantastic artist. He'll write songs. To me, being a great
Speaker 4: artist is about making things that only that you could make.
Speaker 4: Like That's why always say I didn't become a great
Speaker 4: artist until two Pac Must Die.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I'm the only person that can
Speaker 4: make this, like before you could hear like card Wise,
Speaker 4: that's gonna be reduced down to the West Coast. There,
Speaker 4: I made songs that could be like a West Coast
Speaker 4: artist could make. But when I made two five Months Die,
Speaker 4: that became things specific to just glasses the artists. And
Speaker 4: that's the same thing with Michael Jackson, Like no thriller,
Speaker 4: you know, the great artist nobody else could have made
Speaker 4: When dus cry that shit would have sound stupid. Anybody
Speaker 4: else with the same with dust Cry had been a
Speaker 4: dumb ass song. Prince made it and it worked out
Speaker 4: like the best. So when you a great artist, when
Speaker 4: you uniquely deliver you know what I'm saying, a product
Speaker 4: only that you could make.
Speaker 1: In today's climate? Can we even how do you market
Speaker 1: an R and B singer? Right now? The best thing
Speaker 1: is like an R and B singer. You could just
Speaker 1: hear them sing. Do you think that's enough? Not like
Speaker 1: R and B isn't enough.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's enough anymore. There's some great singers
Speaker 7: that enough.
Speaker 4: But then, just like any other great singer, they're only
Speaker 4: gonna be as big as their greatest record.
Speaker 3: How can you even make a like, who's the last
Speaker 3: person I made a great R and B record? You
Speaker 3: guys think, I mean?
Speaker 1: Okay? So what about uh do we consider?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: What's a little uh little dude, uh little Filipino black dude.
Speaker 1: Miguel nor Mars. He got a lot of But I
Speaker 1: don't know if I consider him R and B. So
Speaker 1: do you think with him with him and Mike about
Speaker 1: the week I'm Gonna leader Door Open, That's that's just
Speaker 1: that's the song I'm talking about his pop. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm talking about. That when he when
Speaker 1: him and and my man that R and B song,
Speaker 1: that ship Fire. Was that the last great R and
Speaker 1: B song ever made? Or can we still make?
Speaker 7: I think Usher, that's your last album he got, he
Speaker 7: got a couple of bangs. I'm being a little biased
Speaker 7: because one of my boys reach critical. Yeah, that's really
Speaker 7: reached commercial success.
Speaker 4: Probably probably probably that song I'm Gonna lead the Door open.
Speaker 4: That's probably that song was.
Speaker 1: Daniel's season song was dope to her her her makes
Speaker 1: really good R and B? But does it does her
Speaker 1: reach the real masses? Though? Yeah? Some of them sounds
Speaker 1: due because I've heard some some of her music and
Speaker 1: I've heard some of Oh.
Speaker 3: Sissy, she's about to really take off now, yeah, R
Speaker 3: and B. Okay, let me ask you a question about Sissa.
Speaker 3: Is she more is she talent, more talented or the
Speaker 3: marketing great for her?
Speaker 7: She's really talented.
Speaker 1: She got a little bit of she writes her pen
Speaker 1: is dope? Is she writing some of that?
Speaker 7: And she on the right team?
Speaker 1: Does she sing well? Because her songs, I can't tell
Speaker 1: her she sings well? So she's melodic, I'll say this.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I've never seen her perform live outside
Speaker 7: of the super Bowl, right mm hmm. But when when
Speaker 7: I heard the super Bowl performance, I was like, she
Speaker 7: sounds literally perfect, so much so that I was like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I watched the hell of times because I'm like, is
Speaker 7: she lip singer?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: She sounds singer for me? Right now?
Speaker 4: She's probably like just what I know now, I haven't
Speaker 4: really tried to find back in the day singers you
Speaker 4: could find the moments when they're saying her, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like you don't get those.
Speaker 1: But like probably like just from what I heard, probably
Speaker 1: like a B minus maybe a C plus singer.
Speaker 3: If that was really if that was really her at
Speaker 3: she ain't for sure.
Speaker 1: Plus if that was heard the super Bowl, straight up
Speaker 1: she's like okay, but you don't know for sure if
Speaker 1: that was her. It was just so perfect. What is okay?
Speaker 3: So how are they even marketing Scissor? Like I'm trying
Speaker 3: to understand what is her brand?
Speaker 4: I called top and asking I called top and asking
Speaker 4: what they had in mind when it was marketing her.
Speaker 3: Because you know what, I would say, this is about
Speaker 3: top Dog and what's what they got going on over there?
Speaker 1: And you you correct me if I'm wrong? Do they mark?
Speaker 3: They seem like they market more organically than like just
Speaker 3: trying to put somebody in your face twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: It's like it comes across more organic.
Speaker 3: Like I never looked at Scissor or even Doci or
Speaker 3: any of these artists and was like, oh man, they
Speaker 3: are sensationalizing them or and then like that, it seemed
Speaker 3: like it's kind of like happens organically and you kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh damn, I like her out the blue.
Speaker 3: Like how they marketing is just it's like they're marketing
Speaker 3: different over there.
Speaker 4: So with TD, everything is unique, Every pathway is different.
Speaker 4: They didn't market Kendrick the same way they market Jay Rock.
Speaker 4: They didn't market Q the same way they market DOT.
Speaker 4: They didn't market sold the same way they market Q.
Speaker 4: They didn't market Scizzor the way they market sold. They
Speaker 4: market it based off the product they cook with, what's
Speaker 4: on the table, That's what pop always been.
Speaker 1: I can see that.
Speaker 4: So like everything heard the person, you figure out what's
Speaker 4: working for that person and you push it in that direction.
Speaker 3: Anybody market I never felt like, ugh, like oh god, damn,
Speaker 3: the more of that or.
Speaker 4: Because they still develop acts. They developed where you strong at.
Speaker 4: That's always been their whole thing though. That's always been
Speaker 4: top He develops you, he develops where you're strong at.
Speaker 4: So it's like that's how it is. Not he's not
Speaker 4: a major record company where they kind of putting you
Speaker 4: through a pipeline. It ain't a major record company fault.
Speaker 4: They don't even have enough unique abilities to focus on
Speaker 4: marketing every making a marketing plan for every artist. That's
Speaker 4: what top TD does well, and that's what Boutique Black
Speaker 4: Company is supposed to do. Uniquely figure out what makes
Speaker 4: you special and then put the interest in there, Like
Speaker 4: though she they found something and now they're starting to
Speaker 4: really put a magnifying glass on that thing and that
Speaker 4: thing is what we all staring at, and they keep
Speaker 4: making that thing more successfully critically and then like she's already.
Speaker 1: Had a record.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's where the boutique records do really well.
Speaker 4: That's what a boutiqu hip hop company is supposed to do. Okay,
Speaker 4: Like what I have to do is a little bit.
Speaker 1: Different than what the giants have to do. Right, It's close,
Speaker 1: but it's different, just like what Rock has to do.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit different than what qu or Dot
Speaker 4: had to do, but it's kind of close. Got you
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, it's like, that's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So like when I'm watching marketing, like
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like the fans don't know
Speaker 4: what's good.
Speaker 1: The fans don't know what's good. They know what fits
Speaker 1: what they're staring at.
Speaker 4: Like they can tell you what's good art, or they
Speaker 4: can tell you what they feel, but they don't know
Speaker 4: music enough to know, like what's good music.
Speaker 1: It's like a chef.
Speaker 4: We're talking to a chef about eating food, and he
Speaker 4: knows everything about food and you know the bare minimum
Speaker 4: or nutrition, and you try to tell him what's good,
Speaker 4: but you speaking from this kew view.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, Okay, So you area know.
Speaker 3: I kind of disagree with that. I kind of think
Speaker 3: the fans do know what's good. I think sometime it
Speaker 3: takes them a while to understand what's good and bad
Speaker 3: And where you're gonna say that is because when bad
Speaker 3: artists don't really have long careers. Yeah, no, Like, name
Speaker 3: me a bad artist to have that's had a really
Speaker 3: six you sound you got somebody?
Speaker 7: No, because I'm laughing at you, because you constantly try
Speaker 7: to bait people into like name him artist.
Speaker 1: Why so do you do you do? You do you
Speaker 1: know an artist with a bad artist a long career?
Speaker 7: I'm just asking, Oh, yeah, I do. Like I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna say it.
Speaker 3: I know quite a few that So, Okay, Keth Sweat
Speaker 3: a bad artist at a long career. But you're saying
Speaker 3: he's got a he hes talented. You try to repackage
Speaker 3: the question.
Speaker 1: He sweat his talented. He's a talented writer, that's his cornerstone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so okay, maybe Frank coaching to y'all. Then I'll
Speaker 3: be honest. I don't even know enough of Frank bad artists.
Speaker 3: I think he's an average artist. That's y'all are making
Speaker 3: a fantastic artist. I think Frank Ocean is an average artist.
Speaker 4: When you combine his singing ability with his riding ability,
Speaker 4: you get a C plus artist. So I got a
Speaker 4: question for it, But in a in a time where
Speaker 4: everything is horrible. He feels like a dot. He's a
Speaker 4: cubicxerconium in a time where there's no more diamonds. Like
Speaker 4: if you saw a diamond, it probably blind the whole room.
Speaker 4: So do you think most artists are overpaid.
Speaker 7: In this day and age?
Speaker 3: Probably probably so, yeah, you you something goddamn slave driver,
Speaker 3: like you get twenty million to.
Speaker 4: Get two hundred if you if you just an artist,
Speaker 4: you're probably getting overpaid.
Speaker 5: That means just putting vocals on, putting vocals down, that's
Speaker 5: all you do. You're getting overpaid. You should be paid
Speaker 5: for what you're good at. Mm Sometimes people not good
Speaker 5: at nothing.
Speaker 4: Was a train assassin as a vocalist, So yes, a
Speaker 4: lot of her ship is marketing. Don't let me on,
Speaker 4: like Clive and and did one of the greatest marketing
Speaker 4: jobs in the world on her, Like you did not
Speaker 4: know that this was a ghetto ass motherfucker from Newark.
Speaker 4: You had no idea.
Speaker 1: But they marked her as the voice though, and she
Speaker 1: gotta have a voice.
Speaker 4: And then they made you ask certain questions a thousand
Speaker 4: other things right, and they made her to where white people.
Speaker 1: Could digest her because they didn't think she was a
Speaker 1: nigga like that. That was the marketing.
Speaker 4: I mean, But the cornerstone of her talent is real
Speaker 4: that the like, the one thing you could do is
Speaker 4: shut up and put a microphone in front of her.
Speaker 1: She was gonna get everybody for sure.
Speaker 4: That's where TLC. I don't quite know, Like, what would
Speaker 4: you do if you put TLC in front of seven eleven?
Speaker 4: What would you put change in the pot.
Speaker 1: For dancing and shit?
Speaker 3: Like they harmonizing and dancing like y'all you'll think, You'll
Speaker 3: think what their panhandle and be just broke. There'll just
Speaker 3: be another group on the corner. You're not listen.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna give it no money to somebody on
Speaker 7: the corner dancing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there'll just be another group on the You gotta
Speaker 1: be a who y'all giving who y'all giving money to?
Speaker 1: Then at least saying what I'm saying. It starts with
Speaker 1: singing or just money. You won't even give the artist
Speaker 1: no money, but I will if like when you was
Speaker 1: singing on the corner, I give it a whole hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: In fact, she don't even just put the instrumental, have
Speaker 4: somebody play the little keyboard I'll sing I would love you.
Speaker 1: She gonna get the whole hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: But if it was a load of the guys, if
Speaker 3: it was a little there gat seven eleven hitting them
Speaker 3: on Mario moves, he's not getting nothing from me.
Speaker 1: That's just terrible. And maybe if he in downtown Vegas,
Speaker 1: if he if.
Speaker 3: So, if he ain't hitting them amorrio, Hey, hey, coach,
Speaker 3: you didn't even see my jab.
Speaker 1: Bro, you didn't even see how I set that whole
Speaker 1: play up. Bro, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So Marion traps, what's his talent? He's a performer, He's
Speaker 3: a performers bad, He's I think Marion is a good performer. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's the best singer of all time, obvious, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he performed.
Speaker 1: Though, I think he's better than Ray j ma o'maron
Speaker 1: is is close to TC? Yeah, trap, I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: he's probably damn he just got enough of everything? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just enough, just.
Speaker 3: A Marion probably is like a seven and a half
Speaker 3: dancer and then like a for everything else? Like how
Speaker 3: you calling TC four everything else? TC is probably like
Speaker 3: a six everything else.
Speaker 7: Well, if we're if we're using either metric, six is
Speaker 7: for you fours for G. The bottom line is he's TC.
Speaker 3: So do you think more people that TC was like
Speaker 3: I would like to be them? Yes, not a Mario.
Speaker 3: I think TC has something about them to where girls
Speaker 3: were like, that's the that's it right there.
Speaker 1: We like that to even dudes. Just like I'm telling
Speaker 1: you how the guy I was.
Speaker 4: Like, that's for little kids was different to little boys.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, yeah, because they were selling girls liking them.
Speaker 4: So like like with TLC, they were selling guys liking them.
Speaker 4: B two K was selling little girls liking them. Okay,
Speaker 4: be too gread of a group. That's a different story.
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about. Well, I'm saying because you know,
Speaker 4: it's a different group. Groups are a little different than this.
Speaker 4: Solo artists know for sure. They're way different. They're way different.
Speaker 4: You come on and we've seen a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: SA specifically this ship BE two K O Marion.
Speaker 3: Pretty much without B two K, there be no Mario,
Speaker 3: Like he couldn't even be He couldn't come out of
Speaker 3: Mario by hisself and then be hot like he had
Speaker 3: to come with be took and didn't get hot there
Speaker 3: and then branch off. I don't think that Mario would
Speaker 3: have the same success if you would have came up
Speaker 3: by yourself, I think.
Speaker 4: Especially at that time of day. But that's only because
Speaker 4: you think it lacks talent. Now again, it's not talent less.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying TSC is talent less. TLC is dope.
Speaker 4: They're really beautiful women. They have a style about themselves naturally,
Speaker 4: they don't necessarily have a developed skill like I agree,
Speaker 4: They're dancing is probably about a four. They moved just
Speaker 4: good enough, right, they were sisters, so they had natural rhythm.
Speaker 4: But they fashion like they wasn't new addition dancing New
Speaker 4: audition really danced audition like new addition one is a
Speaker 4: knockoff of who fashion?
Speaker 1: Somebody else dressed them. That was somebody else's whole thing.
Speaker 1: The same thing for Chriss Cross Brat that was, Oh
Speaker 1: it wasn't there dressing them as So y'all don't think
Speaker 1: it takes a certain type of factor too, like something
Speaker 1: about you. Yes, I agree, And you don't think TLC
Speaker 1: had it, And I do believe that's true. Do you
Speaker 1: you believe that were stars?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I believe it takes some some sort of factor and
Speaker 7: really good timing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, timing is under.
Speaker 3: Do you think t had it the in factor? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they had something.
Speaker 1: You got Colts over shaking his head.
Speaker 7: Now I see, and.
Speaker 3: Y'all y'all gonna really it's gonna be on the podcast
Speaker 3: man like being that bad.
Speaker 1: Did y'all disrespect t C?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I've been hearing this. I've been hearing this,
Speaker 6: and that was Yeah. This has to stop being the
Speaker 6: the the hate for the the the hate for the
Speaker 6: Frank Ocean. Man, you gotta call on sweet baby Jesus
Speaker 6: right now, man, and to try to fix this thing
Speaker 6: because that this is crazy. Man just sat here and
Speaker 6: said hers back to about the til C first went
Speaker 6: to TLC first, all right, this is one of the
Speaker 6: best roots of all time.
Speaker 1: Totally agree all time.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: One of the hmhm I think glasses think it's eighty
Speaker 1: percent marketing.
Speaker 6: I think it was charisma, it was it was original.
Speaker 6: We never seen we never seen like that. A lot
Speaker 6: of people came and followed that after their whole blueprint,
Speaker 6: So you got that.
Speaker 4: Blueprint was followed by who I'm saying that blueprint was
Speaker 4: inspired by other people?
Speaker 6: Who would you say inspired by the brat the brad
Speaker 6: but the Brad before.
Speaker 1: Them, no excuse before Brad probably not for sure, they
Speaker 1: got to be close. But all of that is from
Speaker 1: the same wheelhouse. They didn't create that. That look at
Speaker 1: somebody else's.
Speaker 7: Look before Brad. I think, no, I don't know Georgia.
Speaker 6: And now I want to go back into what's the name?
Speaker 6: So that was a real California statement that you made
Speaker 6: right there, because people be getting paid the dance in
Speaker 6: New York since the seventies.
Speaker 1: That's California here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you want to pay somebody to dance. They
Speaker 6: got they got extremely good talent, but.
Speaker 1: They better get cracking. I don't know if O. Marion
Speaker 1: is gonna get more than five dollars. Yeah, I'm getting
Speaker 1: changed for that's not being horsh I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: Like O Marion. Now Chris Brown, I give him thirty
Speaker 1: dollars all that shit he be doing. Yeah, he can
Speaker 1: get thirty dollars.
Speaker 7: O Marion.
Speaker 1: You know Chris Brown. O'mrion, ain't rist Chris Brown.
Speaker 6: Let's get back to this tailc. I'm slaying that you
Speaker 6: was just getting God blessed, God blessed left eyeh. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. Let's do that tea boys. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Chili, You know what I mean, Like, Yo,
Speaker 6: we never seen a girl group come together like that,
Speaker 6: and basically you had every woman, every young girl in
Speaker 6: the age wanted to be like TLC.
Speaker 1: That's great marketing.
Speaker 6: Okay, so now you're talking about talent wise concent t
Speaker 6: bos consent, yes, but they don't sing great.
Speaker 1: Or good.
Speaker 6: To go diamond though, right, So just what.
Speaker 4: Is an average singer? She had a really unique tone,
Speaker 4: that was the thing. But I think she was an
Speaker 4: average singer. I think Chile he was probably a low
Speaker 4: average singer, maybe a Schmidt above. But I think it
Speaker 4: was a great marketing campaign, Like the whole idea is
Speaker 4: what made it work.
Speaker 6: So they the marketing made them go diamond.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it hit at the right time and the
Speaker 1: hitch was good. Hell yeah. I think.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying I agree with six. I agree
Speaker 3: with uh no, no, I'm talking about six. When six
Speaker 3: said it takes time in the time, I.
Speaker 1: Gotta be right.
Speaker 3: I think I think I agree with six with as
Speaker 3: far as the time, and I agree with you as
Speaker 3: far as the marketing. But I think Trapp is trying
Speaker 3: to say that even if you got the timing and
Speaker 3: the marketing together. It takes a lot more than go diamond,
Speaker 3: though he got something else wrote the record.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: Have a talent, all right.
Speaker 6: So what was the what was the hair burned moment
Speaker 6: right there? You mean, like the Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Moment that made them remember what it was at a
Speaker 1: time too?
Speaker 6: What what did the same sex promotion with the same
Speaker 6: sex promotion that they was doing. Remember they came out
Speaker 6: with them with the condom over the eye and all.
Speaker 6: That was it that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, we have to really add JD one
Speaker 4: of them, like what was going on at that time?
Speaker 4: But they they weren't quite I know she burned down
Speaker 4: Rising House, that was the thing.
Speaker 1: I remember that being a big thing. But again, these
Speaker 1: are somebody else wrote the records.
Speaker 4: They're really great written records there they execute them just enough.
Speaker 4: I think that was a perfect example of really great
Speaker 4: marketing on really decent times.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, I mean if if that, if
Speaker 3: it was just if it's just marketing and right and
Speaker 3: great records groups? So well, man, so y'all think they
Speaker 3: were thoc.
Speaker 1: Though it was all really three female groups. I believe
Speaker 1: I agree with you, But they were not TLC.
Speaker 4: But it's like people thinking, Like when people talk about
Speaker 4: Drake and they're like, oh, he's the it's like they've
Speaker 4: had that they're gonna keep generating that time. It may
Speaker 4: only open every twenty five years or forty years, who
Speaker 4: knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They'll find another one. That's what they do, that's the business.
Speaker 1: That talent is here.
Speaker 3: I feel like they'll find another Marion We I mean,
Speaker 3: you don't find another TLC. Like you don't find another
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson. I'm not saying TLC's Michael Jackson, but you
Speaker 3: don't find another Mike another like, but is there some
Speaker 3: groups that you just don't find another of. You might
Speaker 3: find another group that's good or you can do something with,
Speaker 3: but they don't.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that neither. I think everything comes back.
Speaker 4: They'll always find it. Now, can you match the moment
Speaker 4: Chris Brown was Michael Jackson to some degree reincardinated, but
Speaker 4: they just couldn't match the moment You.
Speaker 3: Think at some point Chris Brown was on the same
Speaker 3: trajectory to be Mike, to be Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris is bro Chris. The way they used to
Speaker 1: talk about everything with Chris. I love Chris Brown.
Speaker 4: I mean the way the office is talked about him.
Speaker 4: He was like a different type of entity. He's a
Speaker 4: bad motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He was special.
Speaker 4: I agree and like it dampened every because Mike is
Speaker 4: not just Mike. Mike is is the ship Joe Jackson
Speaker 4: had him doing.
Speaker 6: They thought Campbell was the next Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Bro that's different. And Tevin could sing under a table. Up,
Speaker 1: hol up you think so, Mike I could sing like
Speaker 1: a mother Okay, Tevin Campbell's not that. Tevin can sing.
Speaker 1: He can't sing, but he not. He's not a way
Speaker 1: better singing than Michael Jackson, not way better, but he
Speaker 1: is singing under the table. Tevin is a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Very few vocals I heard like his that nigga is
Speaker 1: Kevin Campbell can really sing? I agree with you, And and.
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson saying too, I'm not Michael. I'm saying I'm
Speaker 4: just telling you, Tevin Campbell's a better singer than Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: So I can understand why people thought that. But Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson Michael just because of singing, and he's a great singer.
Speaker 7: That's a hot take.
Speaker 6: That is a.
Speaker 7: What's that once they saw that's a hot take.
Speaker 6: Bro, that really hot take. Trap that Tevin Campbell the
Speaker 6: better singer than Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Tam was cold cold. Michael Jackson is more than singing.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was a really good singer, really.
Speaker 6: Great ranger, A ranger, ranger.
Speaker 1: ID a million things. Tavin Campbell was just a great scene.
Speaker 1: I think we're forgett about Michael jackson earlier stuff.
Speaker 7: I'm just talking about his voice, like we're.
Speaker 1: Just talking about no I'm saying I agree, shout out
Speaker 1: to more gust take. So so six six you think
Speaker 1: Tavin Campbell's a better singer than Mike.
Speaker 7: I don't think so. He's he He's ridiculous. He's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I don't know. But for me too, it's like I've
Speaker 7: always loved the I've always loved singers. I have really
Speaker 7: unique tones like Michael Jackson. We don't hear another voice
Speaker 7: like Michael Jackson. So that always maybe that's a little
Speaker 7: bias bump just because I like unique tones.
Speaker 4: I think Mike is probably like in the bottom half
Speaker 4: of the twenty Greatest Male Vocalists, And.
Speaker 1: You think Tevin Campbell's bottom, You think Tevin Gamble's in
Speaker 1: the higher half, or Tevin Campbell is, but Devin is
Speaker 1: so because Tevin is only singing. Can tell Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: like Michael Jackson is one million things. Michael Jackson is
Speaker 1: a child star, TV dancer, a fucking machine. He produced
Speaker 1: his right records. Tevin is just a singer. Let me
Speaker 1: question listen, hold up, Coach, Tevin like men and it's
Speaker 1: still a big deal. That's how good of a singer. Nigga.
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no, no, Mike than not, don't
Speaker 6: do that. Do that, Mike go fishing, Mike Fisher.
Speaker 1: Kevin Campbell liked me and all Kevin Campbell could do,
Speaker 1: what's seen and everything he is.
Speaker 4: It is just because how well he seems. Niggas don't
Speaker 4: even care who he fucking You know that playing full
Speaker 4: of people like Freddie Burgery, Luther Vandro.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. Hold on, hold on, hold on, now, why
Speaker 1: are you playing?
Speaker 6: Mike?
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson got all types of ship ship about it.
Speaker 1: All true. I'm not saying it's not sure who you
Speaker 1: ever seen coach Coach? You've never seen the video? They
Speaker 1: yo where they go yo.
Speaker 6: When Mike refers to he says, he said He's going fishing,
Speaker 6: and they got mad videos. I'm talking about going fishing,
Speaker 6: talking about going a woman and like all this, You're
Speaker 6: going fishing, Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike wasn't gay.
Speaker 6: At all.
Speaker 1: The King wasn't gave, Prince wasn't gave.
Speaker 3: No Prince Prince, Prince Prince, and I love Prince Bro
Speaker 3: Prince Prince bisexual issues.
Speaker 1: I can't say that for sure either though, because there's
Speaker 1: nothing concrete out Prince No, No, again, it's not. Tevin
Speaker 1: is like a top tier male vocals said Tevin is
Speaker 1: better than Mike.
Speaker 6: Is not like that.
Speaker 1: They ain't no regular Nick. Tevan is a bad move
Speaker 1: like everything Kevin, like Winnie Houston, everything, Winni Houston, Tevin Campbell,
Speaker 1: Luth the vantage of some of these people. They just
Speaker 1: only good scene.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 3: But King came from an era when they had the
Speaker 3: scene they was only singing. I don't think he think
Speaker 3: Tevan is that good as good as you're making.
Speaker 7: The scene, King, King, Tevan is that good for sure?
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Do you think if Michael just just was a singer,
Speaker 3: just just did not dance and anything like that, do
Speaker 3: you think he could have been as big as Tevin
Speaker 3: Campbell ended up being.
Speaker 1: That big, big, not that big though a couple of records.
Speaker 3: I'm asking, do you think Mike would have been as big,
Speaker 3: at least as big as Teven if he only just
Speaker 3: saying yeah, for.
Speaker 1: Michael could have got far with only on voice alone.
Speaker 1: Michael can sing.
Speaker 4: I just said, I'm not saying that Mike can't. That's
Speaker 4: not I'm not putting Mike. I'm telling you Tevin is
Speaker 4: a better singer to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's why, okay singer, Okay, okay, Tevin compared the
Speaker 1: baby Face. Yeah, no, Tevin Camera is a better singer
Speaker 1: the baby Face, Yes, for sure.
Speaker 7: You you know who don't get enough camel. You know
Speaker 7: who don't get enough credit?
Speaker 1: Tank Tanks are under Yeah, thanking, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think Tank is a great singer. He's an under
Speaker 1: He could sing a lot better than he but he's
Speaker 1: not heaven.
Speaker 4: When he is different, having his different mini rips. Some
Speaker 4: of these people are really Luther, They're really just singer.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, was Tank? Was Tank
Speaker 1: the worst singer out of T G T.
Speaker 5: No, no who?
Speaker 1: I think he sung better than he's signed, better than JR.
Speaker 6: One Wine.
Speaker 7: I think he's sing better than both of them. He's
Speaker 7: sing better than ty six hot take. I think right there,
Speaker 7: everybody listen, I.
Speaker 3: Don't I didn't been in the studio with this nigga.
Speaker 1: Incredible Okay, Okay, that makes okay that the who the
Speaker 1: best singer?
Speaker 6: Like l s G.
Speaker 3: All right, you got inside information? Okay, Tank?
Speaker 7: Is he really that? Tank will tone it down for sure?
Speaker 1: I know you underrated for sure, will turn it.
Speaker 7: Down so other people don't get you know, overwhelmed. But
Speaker 7: like he would really be like he'll turn it down
Speaker 7: in sessions like I'm not gonna over sing this song.
Speaker 7: But he really he really that dude.
Speaker 1: Okay, tanker thing for sure? He definitely underrated.
Speaker 7: But you said LSG Trapp, Yeah, what the.
Speaker 6: Best thing out of the nigga? Jeralderf Ge Okay, who
Speaker 6: you got god bless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, Johnny, Look Johnny, I don't know, Johnny, Johnny,
Speaker 1: john Johnny got.
Speaker 4: My favorite mother fucking uh new Jackson Wing song of
Speaker 4: all time. Johnny is a bad motherfucker. But man, with Gerald,
Speaker 4: it was effort, bro. He didn't even have to try,
Speaker 4: Like I could always feel Johnny give trying.
Speaker 1: Then not a little closer than we thinking, No, it's
Speaker 1: close close, I'm not all of these things.
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson and Tevin Campbell's close, so like they're close,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I can clearly hear better.
Speaker 1: Freddy Jackson is a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 6: Freddy Jackson's crazy. Yeah, Jackson's crazy.
Speaker 4: When we say talent, the first first thing I think
Speaker 4: about talent when it comes to R and B right
Speaker 4: is singing.
Speaker 1: And then writing and then dancing. So what I'm telling
Speaker 1: trapping him is like.
Speaker 4: Frank is a perfect example of really good marketing, really
Speaker 4: average talent average, not today today, He's an outstanding talent,
Speaker 4: average in the in the grand history of his particular genre.
Speaker 4: He's an average talent by far. He's not on any
Speaker 4: level with Brian McKnight. He's not on any level of
Speaker 4: the upper tier guys.
Speaker 1: That's not.
Speaker 4: Frank Ocean. No Frank, Frank Ocean ain't no Tank level.
Speaker 4: Tank is is different. Tank like Frank is the.
Speaker 1: Best of today.
Speaker 6: Frank last back in the Day track why are You
Speaker 6: Rocking back and Forth?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Imagine, imagine, imagine that Frank Ocean dropped that album after
Speaker 4: Luther Van Draws.
Speaker 1: Dropped his first album. The times were different, though, no,
Speaker 1: don't say the times were different. That's the only difference
Speaker 1: niggas can see. That's the only different times. I think
Speaker 1: that definitely, Luther is a better singer than you keep naming.
Speaker 1: Luther is a bad writer than Tavin. Luther is a
Speaker 1: better writer, producer. Luther does everything better than Frank Ocean
Speaker 1: by far. That's the problem. You thick the one the
Speaker 1: all time greats. I'm telling you Luther Van Draws is.
Speaker 5: It's not just because he all times Marvin Gay is
Speaker 5: way but everybody Brian M.
Speaker 1: Knight is way better.
Speaker 5: Like I could go down a list of people way better, prints,
Speaker 5: way better, Michael Jackson, way better.
Speaker 1: It's like, and I'm just after this, like he's a
Speaker 1: he's a. He's a.
Speaker 4: He's a good He's an average to good talent, but
Speaker 4: he's not anywhere near a great R and B talent.
Speaker 4: He's a great today R and B talent because R
Speaker 4: and B is in a weird place, like you gotta
Speaker 4: really be good.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, especially as far as the singing go.
Speaker 3: I think if he just wrote more, I think we'll
Speaker 3: be able to tell how good of a writer he is.
Speaker 1: Even the stuff that he wrote ain't nowhere near there.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's good enough to where he's
Speaker 3: not he the average singer in it, and it really
Speaker 3: does well still.
Speaker 4: But does what that's my problem does well. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like he's not Sizza Sis' is a great writer.
Speaker 4: My problem is Siza is a better singer and writer
Speaker 4: than Frank Ocean.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if if if her is a better
Speaker 1: writer and singer than Frank Ocean. I do wonder if
Speaker 1: he did if his if he did he did some more,
Speaker 1: would he be considered He probably be over her bike
Speaker 1: right now if he did, if he just did more,
Speaker 1: no fucking chance. He is the real deal.
Speaker 6: I think you like her no work in any era,
Speaker 6: all right, So look right, so yes today we did
Speaker 6: sign I think I want to ask you this right here,
Speaker 6: glasses right, So yesterday we did something eighty AHD. I
Speaker 6: came with some new new thing that we do now.
Speaker 6: We do like a draft with the music though, right,
Speaker 6: So you had to you had to you had to
Speaker 6: draft a label basically. So basically it was it was
Speaker 6: like six different spots we had to fill up. So
Speaker 6: it was a it was your franchise superstar, your vocal
Speaker 6: performance star, your underrated gym, your songwriter or producer, your
Speaker 6: your wild card. That could be any It could be
Speaker 6: like a legendary group of a legendary artist, or it
Speaker 6: could just be a new wave talent and you're under
Speaker 6: thirty artists. Who would you select for your for your
Speaker 6: vocal powerhouse? If you want to select one person? Ver,
Speaker 6: who's your who's your who's your franchise? Superstar?
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder all them my albums, I get out of him.
Speaker 1: I never had to work again.
Speaker 6: Who's your underrated who's your underrated gym?
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox? Oh? Okay, somebody alive?
Speaker 6: Who's your song riter or producer?
Speaker 1: And or or it could be either all but it
Speaker 1: only be one person.
Speaker 6: Only be one person. They could be Jimmy James try
Speaker 6: Lewis though, you know, but they gotta be one one,
Speaker 6: either a songwriter or a producer, j.
Speaker 1: D and Brian Michael Cox. Okay the okay? Okay, who's
Speaker 1: your wild card? Do everything? No?
Speaker 6: Your wildcard is basically like that's what I'm saying when
Speaker 6: you did stevee Wander Do you guys see one of day?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 6: But your wildcar could be like a group. It could
Speaker 6: be a new wave talent.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna go to I'll get money off their favorite.
Speaker 6: Too, all right. And who's your who's your under who's
Speaker 6: your under thirty star? That's a kid under thirty.
Speaker 1: Somebody I'll have to develop. Yeah, that's a great question
Speaker 1: for him because you know he don't like No, I.
Speaker 6: Love, I love, I love.
Speaker 1: Big extra plug.
Speaker 6: No, it's the R and B. You don't sing o
Speaker 6: R and B.
Speaker 1: Okay, you say it. Hers under thirty two, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Hers on the thirty. Somebody picked somebody picked her. Somebody
Speaker 6: picked her, hers under thirty.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be disrespectful. Dope.
Speaker 6: We had some dope. It was about ten people, so
Speaker 6: we didn't her. I like her. It was it was
Speaker 6: ten people, and we did. We did a draft and
Speaker 6: snake order to the Some of the teams came out.
Speaker 6: Somebody actually, the one I'm looking at right now, they
Speaker 6: had her hers. No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shot.
Speaker 4: Everybody at the lowis table talking ship. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: I think Ocean couldn't have one hit record in the eighties.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you to have one hit record in
Speaker 4: the eighties. Y'all talk about this nigga like he's Stevie wonder.
Speaker 4: I just don't know how much here dropping it he does,
Speaker 4: don't drop enough, Like.
Speaker 1: Ifig drops, what does he want to none of that
Speaker 1: ship is.
Speaker 3: If Frank Ocean dropped a lot, I think he would
Speaker 3: be closer to Keith Sweat than you think.
Speaker 1: He don't have.
Speaker 4: He don't never, he don't have. He don't have Nigga
Speaker 4: keep sweat is Teddy Riley nigga? No, no he y'all
Speaker 4: gotta realize Keith Sweat ain't just keep sweat. That's the
Speaker 4: introdution of new jack swing like, that's the introduction of
Speaker 4: new jack swings. Make it last for ever, like he
Speaker 4: don't have a make.
Speaker 1: It last forever bro. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: I think he's doing Frank Ocean doing himself with disservice
Speaker 3: by just not dropping enough and doing.
Speaker 1: He dropped ain't enough. Let's just start there, man. It
Speaker 1: ain't a back heeping on Frank Ocean.
Speaker 5: I'm not sleeping on him. I think he's a marginal o' talent.
Speaker 5: He's just perfect.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a great singer, but I think
Speaker 3: as far as his writing and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: I think I think he's an a minus writer.
Speaker 1: I gotta go listen. I gotta listen to You don't
Speaker 1: even got a minus song song.
Speaker 4: I keep telling you the potato song man, the fact
Speaker 4: that you keep calling the potato song is a minus song.
Speaker 6: The Potato room.
Speaker 1: A minus R and B song?
Speaker 6: Is what nokas song? What is.
Speaker 1: Got a pony?
Speaker 3: If pony a minus minus? And I don't know, I
Speaker 3: don't know. We should be talking about pony. We should move,
Speaker 3: we should say another song.
Speaker 6: So what came.
Speaker 1: Pony is a minus? Because pony ain't never too much?
Speaker 1: Pony ain't a uh?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 3: I think in no gens be his a minus R
Speaker 3: and B song, Hony, that's probably be plus.
Speaker 5: He don't But but frank os don't have none of that,
Speaker 5: Not that he got songs that are like you know
Speaker 5: what he got like he don't got it.
Speaker 1: He don't got a Billy Joe me and Missus Jones coach,
Speaker 1: you gotta have that.
Speaker 5: Frank is dope. He's dope today. Today he's dope. He's
Speaker 5: dirty water in the desert.
Speaker 3: It's a desert that's coming out at workout that's coming out,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be dope and you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Frank, dirty water in the Desert sound
Speaker 3: like a Frank Ocean song, honestly, if you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna have like you talked about a bunch of nothing.
Speaker 4: But the point I'm saying is like, Nah, Frank Ocean
Speaker 4: is not Ray Parker Junior. What the fuck is wrong
Speaker 4: with y'all? Dirty water in the desert?
Speaker 6: Right there? That's right.
Speaker 1: At best? That could be where yet damn at best?
Speaker 1: You talk about singing wise?
Speaker 6: No, song wise, I'm sure I couldn't say, but nothing.
Speaker 1: But he had a cool jam or too. Yeah, got
Speaker 1: a couple of sons, but he can't. No, But that's
Speaker 1: my point.
Speaker 4: Would you couldn't. Back in the day, people were more
Speaker 4: of a stickler for talent. Today people just don't care
Speaker 4: that we're into your brand. We don't even care about
Speaker 4: your talent. Can we fuck with you as a person?
Speaker 4: Do we believe in your movement?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 4: That's the point, right, Frank, is in the time where
Speaker 4: we care about that stuff, and then we judged the
Speaker 4: music based off that.
Speaker 1: I'll be sure it was in the time. Nigga.
Speaker 4: If you can't sing, nigga, your ship better be over
Speaker 4: the top. Remember Keith sweat career ain't like these other
Speaker 4: niggas careers. He sweat got a decent career, good to do.
Speaker 4: Don't have a career like Prince Like he didn't have
Speaker 4: a career, like the talented people, Bobby Brown, neither their
Speaker 4: career is wasn't like that, not like Michael Jack, like
Speaker 4: the right now Frank Ocean could probably do fifty thousand
Speaker 4: fucking people.
Speaker 1: Do you think so?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: But marginal bones.
Speaker 3: I think if I think if Thinking About You or
Speaker 3: Pyramids came on right now to a group of twenty
Speaker 3: five year olds, it'd be kind of like Pony Hitting
Speaker 3: to a bunch of forty five year olds.
Speaker 4: No, coach novcme man, No, don't think he has an
Speaker 4: appeal on the age. But I think that's a lot
Speaker 4: of things. But the problem is when music don't go
Speaker 4: through generations, that's the problem. None of us was born
Speaker 4: at the same time that My Girl by the Temptations
Speaker 4: came out.
Speaker 1: Nigga, we fuck with it like we was our grandparents,
Speaker 1: so won was that shit. We'd be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: thing bumping true. We can start from.
Speaker 4: Every list you can hear songs from the fifties, sixties, seventies,
Speaker 4: eighty nineties.
Speaker 5: You get right now if you're here, but before I
Speaker 5: let go, he don't got it before I let go.
Speaker 5: He don't have those kind of songs.
Speaker 4: He has songs that matter to the generation of people
Speaker 4: he's putting out music to because they're into his brand.
Speaker 1: When I even over Can, I'm like, oh, this is okay.
Speaker 1: I fuck with this. That's like a cool B side
Speaker 1: to one of my favorite singers, probably worst album singing.
Speaker 6: But bro, the're about to say that that's not fair
Speaker 6: what you're doing. Only time on tell if them songs
Speaker 6: gonna last like that though, And I can tell you
Speaker 6: when when My Girl came out, our people probably wouldn't say, O,
Speaker 6: this is gonna be This is gonna be a jam
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Now, Nova King ain't a great damn now, it's not one.
Speaker 6: To this generation.
Speaker 4: It is, but you're missing the point. It's not to generation.
Speaker 4: My Girl was a jam to everybody who heard it.
Speaker 1: Nigga Make It Last Forever was a jam to everybody
Speaker 1: who heard it, even though we couldn't sing.
Speaker 3: It was old people who liked real singing. I was like,
Speaker 3: it's all right, I think thinking about you. Come on
Speaker 3: right now, everybody starts not in their head.
Speaker 5: I think he has a marginal Frank Ocean don't have
Speaker 5: a Jamie Fox.
Speaker 1: What's the Jamie Fox out and style? It's better than
Speaker 1: both of Frank Ocean's album okay.
Speaker 3: And I I think for me stylistically, for me, I
Speaker 3: think so, I think there. I think it's better because
Speaker 3: I think Jamie. You know, I'm not a Frank Ocean.
Speaker 1: Sing Jamie Fox. You know, fran Ocean not fan. I'm
Speaker 1: just keeping Marilla about Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean don't have
Speaker 1: an unpredictable I think Frank.
Speaker 3: I think Frank Ocean. I mean, I think Jamie Fox
Speaker 3: is more talented than Frank Ocean. For sure, singing wise,
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 4: More talented period. But that's the point I'm saying to you.
Speaker 4: It's like Frank Ocean is. I'm not talking shit on
Speaker 4: Frank Ocean. I'm only saying, in the pantheon a really
Speaker 4: great R and B talent X, he's not. He wouldn't
Speaker 4: be there. He's there now because of how music is
Speaker 4: consumed Now, it's more about the visuals, how you consume things.
Speaker 1: Are you with the movement? Blah blah blah. Then the
Speaker 1: last thing you do is hear it.
Speaker 3: But I do think Frank is more Keith than al
Speaker 3: though that's crazy. I'll be sure it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Because because keep Sweat and keep Sweat byself nigga, that
Speaker 4: means Frank would have to have Teddy Bright. Teddy Roddy
Speaker 4: is important in Keith Sweat's career, Like that's everything, Like
Speaker 4: that's why it was what it was. That album set
Speaker 4: off a whole successful genre of shit happened. And honestly,
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at the thought because that could be
Speaker 4: a fair comparison. Keith Sweat is a lot like uh.
Speaker 4: Keith Sweat is a lot like uh. Frank Ocean is
Speaker 4: a lot like Keith Sweat, but he didn't have Teddy Riley.
Speaker 4: That's the problem. Somebody who understood music enough to make
Speaker 4: something that would create this different thing. Now he does
Speaker 4: have a movement that people follow him. I think Frank
Speaker 4: Ocean got a lot of Frank Ocean clones.
Speaker 5: But it's like, again, if you not starting with make
Speaker 5: it last forever, then what you're starting with now.
Speaker 1: But I am kind of confused market Kip just got
Speaker 1: paid from that.
Speaker 7: Frank, I am confused on.
Speaker 3: How their marketing Frank Ocean, though, I wonder what is
Speaker 3: the plan with that but the poor ship, Like, I
Speaker 3: mean just as fear him not putting out music and.
Speaker 1: Like, but I don't think you need to believe that
Speaker 1: you need a bunch of music. Is bullshit? Really need
Speaker 1: some music, though, Like, you can't just live off the
Speaker 1: two albums forever.
Speaker 4: And the people that look the Onmie John John Quinn
Speaker 4: swear by that motherfucker, and he only got a couple
Speaker 4: of albums. People sometimes swear by that ship. As long
Speaker 4: as his music is touching people is working. I think
Speaker 4: Todd dallas Sign is a better R and B act.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's more successful, but I think he's.
Speaker 1: A much better act. Can't Tie sing to you. He
Speaker 1: seems better than Frank Ocean. That's the problem. Ty Be
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes thinkings better than Frank Ocean is just this unanimous.
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't say's unanimous. But I've heard both of
Speaker 1: them sing.
Speaker 7: I never I heard Ty in person.
Speaker 1: I never heard how to Ty sound in person.
Speaker 6: Is he good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 3: He's dope, like he's not like he's not a singer.
Speaker 3: He messed his voice up too, so it's tired out
Speaker 3: it's Nate Dog a better singer than No No, So
Speaker 3: TI is a better singer than Nate Dog.
Speaker 7: Why are you bringing up everybody? R I p man.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, that is I mean not saying I
Speaker 3: think because I think. I kind of when I think
Speaker 3: about I kind of think about Nate for sometimes as
Speaker 3: far as hooks, and he do way more than hooks.
Speaker 3: Tis different. Nate is very very straightforward with his approach.
Speaker 3: Got depth for sure.
Speaker 1: Tie is like Rick James. To me, I always called,
Speaker 1: oh ship, come on, bro, I know, like Rick James.
Speaker 1: That's how he approached Frank. Frank is closer to what's
Speaker 1: his face and tires to Rick James, closer. He's closer
Speaker 1: to Keys Web than tis to Rick James.
Speaker 4: Not about that nigga, man, bro, so I get busy.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna even play with that nigga. That nigga. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that nigga's the truth.
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 3: Let me rethink that because Ty is tight, Like now
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about he is dope.
Speaker 7: He just got something he is Like watching him work
Speaker 7: in the lab and like I love seeing different people's
Speaker 7: like how they approach writing and stuff like that. He
Speaker 7: just he heard things differently.
Speaker 4: Lie, I've seen him. He wanted the coldest motherfuckers I've
Speaker 4: been in the studio with. Watch him make some ship.
Speaker 1: Rick James is high praise though No, Rick Jameson is
Speaker 1: obviously on the panthem. I'm saying, but that's to me
Speaker 1: historically that his problem is he don't want to make
Speaker 1: street songs.
Speaker 4: Ty wants to be babyface, but he's more than James naturally,
Speaker 4: but he kind of pursues babyface of making more of
Speaker 4: these kind of R and B ballads versus making street songs.
Speaker 4: Street songs Like if Todd just decided I'm going to
Speaker 4: make a bunch of ship that everybody could have fun
Speaker 4: too and enjoy this ship too, it'd be over.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: We got on marketing and and and artists and artistry,
Speaker 3: but I had a question about an artist that I
Speaker 3: wonder how is he getting marketed? And he seemed like
Speaker 3: he had a problem with how he's getting marketed or
Speaker 3: how he's portrayed as an artist.
Speaker 1: And that's why A.
Speaker 7: Is really talented too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't y'all feel like I mean, when you
Speaker 3: guys hear people talk about him. He talked about himself.
Speaker 3: He feels I think he feels like he should be bigger.
Speaker 7: He should I think he I think I agree with
Speaker 7: how he feels.
Speaker 4: But but but that's also because that's a perfect example
Speaker 4: somebody with talent, probably.
Speaker 1: You have to figure out how to market Then what's
Speaker 1: the hitch? Oh do you think being marketable? Is it
Speaker 1: talent us or no?
Speaker 7: Bad bad not a talent?
Speaker 6: No, I was gonna say that. I think I think
Speaker 6: with this mess was was the way he was introduced
Speaker 6: to him, same with the lady got got song. So
Speaker 6: he stayed in that bag right there.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. I think, just you have to figure
Speaker 1: out what why are people connecting to you while is
Speaker 1: really talented. That's the one thing that dope. So again
Speaker 1: like he didn't figure it out, like coal, like right,
Speaker 1: like coal or dot?
Speaker 4: Where them niggas, forgive me for lack of better terms,
Speaker 4: them niggas went looking homeless.
Speaker 1: And ship and put they hear they look like backpack niggas.
Speaker 4: They used to do a thousand things to give off
Speaker 4: the field of what they were projected while a was
Speaker 4: always in no man's land. While they would have probably
Speaker 4: been a bigger rapper in the nineties, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying he actually is just dope. Them niggas is dope,
Speaker 4: but they also figured out how people how they needed
Speaker 4: to be marketed, while A was just like a regular
Speaker 4: DC nigga that was just dope.
Speaker 7: And you know exactly too.
Speaker 6: I feel like if you would, I feel like if
Speaker 6: you would have dived into his DC like he did
Speaker 6: it though he ended up doing it, though it would
Speaker 6: have work. Then if you look down into like yo,
Speaker 6: the Go Go ship all the way and like that,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, just what was try to
Speaker 6: get into It's just some magging dope records. He made
Speaker 6: dope record, you know what, Like he got tho like
Speaker 6: low key. I remem about seening the post one time,
Speaker 6: like like while they kept R and B alive when
Speaker 6: I was dead.
Speaker 1: And that's really and you know what's really, that's really
Speaker 1: what he is. He's really an R and B ACT.
Speaker 4: I was just about to say that, asking, yeah, I
Speaker 4: was a rapper and if he would have died into that,
Speaker 4: maybe that's how they should have market him.
Speaker 1: He's really an R and B act.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 7: That's kind of hip hop act.
Speaker 3: But if they're a lane for that though, they're a
Speaker 3: laying for an R and B rapper. That's not that's
Speaker 3: not harmonizing like Jaru or I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think rap has became so popularized, like singing like
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige. Niggas fuck with Mary J Blige, like
Speaker 1: she was a hip hop act. Yeah that is true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 4: not easy to market, That's what I'm saying, Like even
Speaker 4: that whole conversation, Marketing is really hard because you gotta
Speaker 4: knel it and a lot of times the suits need
Speaker 4: to see something successful in you, Like they need to
Speaker 4: see you like Chris Brown. They saw Michael Jackson, but
Speaker 4: they spent so much money. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: this cause Chris was really Chris is really probably as
Speaker 4: talented as Michael Jackson, like as a talent, I mean,
Speaker 4: but he didn't have the discipline of a Joe Jackson
Speaker 4: put in the mic that discipline makes.
Speaker 1: You different, Chris, Like you see young Chris.
Speaker 4: Chris is like an animal. Like I remember the first
Speaker 4: time I saw tape on him, that nigga was like
Speaker 4: out of this world.
Speaker 1: He was like unbelievable. He's somebody.
Speaker 4: To this day, I'll still be like, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get one with him before this shit is said and done.
Speaker 1: He's that Chris are doing with you too, Chris? Like
Speaker 1: that out there doing music, Chris, Chris.
Speaker 4: I mean, but so that's what I'm saying, like that,
Speaker 4: I wasn't shading TC, even if it comes across that way,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Ain't TLC.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying they're not necessarily the talent. It's really
Speaker 4: great marketing with average talent. That may be the greatest
Speaker 4: marketing job in the history of marketing jobs. TLC fantastic.
Speaker 6: No, No, who was I think the greatst greatest marketing
Speaker 6: jobs being able to market a blind person like like,
Speaker 6: that's what I feel like.
Speaker 1: Nice nigga, but he was nice, but he was a
Speaker 1: blind person.
Speaker 6: To saying that we ain't never seen I ain't never.
Speaker 1: Seen the word everybody with no that was?
Speaker 6: That was great.
Speaker 1: He wanted to sit out in front of seven eleven
Speaker 1: to make a thousand dollars a day, so y'all get
Speaker 1: the money to CV and not, Oh Mario.
Speaker 7: Nigga, what.
Speaker 6: Cold?
Speaker 7: I'm not giving money to nobody?
Speaker 1: Everything who.
Speaker 6: Was marketing? Crazy though? Too? It was a great market wonder.
Speaker 1: Ain't no great market and Stevie Wonder regular nigga that
Speaker 1: just really.
Speaker 6: Bro. I mean Tivy Wonder was completely talented like like,
Speaker 6: but it wasn't that if we didn't see one before that,
Speaker 6: we had Ray Charles two before that.
Speaker 1: That's why nobody gambled. It was like, oh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got this for sure.
Speaker 6: Here you go. This word is another one doing again,
Speaker 6: do the same thing again.
Speaker 5: Marketing, make another hulet even have a brand. Stevie Wonder
Speaker 5: was just like, I'm better than everybody that.
Speaker 1: It was like, niggas answer like, no brand, because.
Speaker 5: If you don't have no talent, that won't you won't
Speaker 5: sell no records. Stevie Wonder was just better than everybody.
Speaker 5: He was just flat out as a little kid than
Speaker 5: my bad.
Speaker 1: Yes, that that's a hitch for sure, but it's coming
Speaker 1: off the heels of Ray Charles, who was probably the
Speaker 1: biggest artist in the world at this time. It was
Speaker 1: just like early sixties. I think he came out at
Speaker 1: sixty and sixty.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 4: Ray Charles pretty much created the pop gramer, the pop charts.
Speaker 4: This nigga killing man mown people looking me come here
Speaker 4: right now? What another one of them?
Speaker 7: Every every instrument bro, he was.
Speaker 1: Better than this motherfucker as a kid.
Speaker 3: Now, Stevie Wonder Like, I can't say nothing about Stevie.
Speaker 3: Stevie is magical.
Speaker 1: You got to be to say you better than Ray Charles.
Speaker 6: He like that.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: Do you think Stevie would have hit his heights? Because
Speaker 3: he was great? But would he had been as big
Speaker 3: as he was if he wasn't blind?
Speaker 7: The story, it just depends, because that's what I'm it's
Speaker 7: the story depends on what people are connected to. They
Speaker 7: connected to that backstory. But that nigga give it wasn't
Speaker 7: no gimmick. He's blind and could play better than everybody.
Speaker 1: You can sing good, but he got a built in gimmick,
Speaker 1: like he gotta.
Speaker 6: Coach.
Speaker 4: You get it, Coach, Coach say, I don't think it's
Speaker 4: a gimmick At that point, I think the reality is like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, he's Ray Charles as a kid.
Speaker 1: That's like if I was a blind boxer, but I
Speaker 1: was the best? Ask makes it different?
Speaker 3: The only thing that make Floyd Mayweather, the only thing
Speaker 3: that can make Floyd made with Way with her bigger
Speaker 3: is if he was blind.
Speaker 1: Of sports exactly, but but but also how good they
Speaker 1: TLC was not that good.
Speaker 3: No, they wasn't Stevie wonder good. No, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that good.
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking that far out there. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about they wasn't even good. I just think I just
Speaker 1: think TLC had that that. I'm not disagreeing they do
Speaker 1: have a starquald, but I think that that is something.
Speaker 3: It's a that is a talent in himself that everybody
Speaker 3: don't got that, that is something unique that everybody don't
Speaker 3: go talent.
Speaker 4: That's that's a gift. A talent is something you develop
Speaker 4: jazz off the half. That's a gift. They do have
Speaker 4: the effector, but again, like I don't even know Stevie
Speaker 4: wanted to have the affect. Who the fuck cares. When
Speaker 4: you're that fucking good at something.
Speaker 1: Whatever and you're blind, yeah you're gonna be fantastic. People.
Speaker 1: Prince ain't blind. There's some other motherfuckers like that get
Speaker 1: cracking as big as a mother facer. If Prince was blind,
Speaker 1: he'd be Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: Yeah probably, yeah, no, probably, So that'd be what he needed,
Speaker 5: what he needed. That'd be what he needed because you.
Speaker 1: Need some ship.
Speaker 4: So I think TLC is an average talent marginal talent right,
Speaker 4: very much if factor star quality.
Speaker 1: But man, the marketing the real superstars was the team.
Speaker 1: The team was like incredible. I think they did their job, man,
Speaker 1: but I think the stars were TLC. I think they did.
Speaker 3: I think they did a great job. I think they
Speaker 3: did awesome.
Speaker 1: I think the team was. But TLC almost sucked it
Speaker 1: up a lot of times.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I think I think they probably
Speaker 3: just maybe it was fifty fifty maybe TC. Oh no,
Speaker 3: I'm saying because they had no hell they had another TLC.
Speaker 1: Hell no, it was just left too hell No, well no,
Speaker 1: damn fifty fifty. Fifty to fifty is like fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty is new edition.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the.
Speaker 1: Four niggas act the singing, it's three niggas sing they
Speaker 1: ass off.
Speaker 3: But while we the TC so we acting like TOC
Speaker 3: wasn't one of.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you because one of them is not. They're
Speaker 1: not one of one.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: They've had bands that are successful. They've had that. They've
Speaker 1: had successful that we've had who they name so was
Speaker 1: s W V T O C. But now you're going
Speaker 1: into the voices.
Speaker 6: That's just the voices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't say, but they was never they not
Speaker 1: no t C. But think about it, Brad, t C,
Speaker 1: you had you.
Speaker 7: Had SVV records are way more time was t C.
Speaker 1: Would you say six.
Speaker 7: These records are way more timeless than t o C records.
Speaker 7: Rain right now, this will go crazy, damn.
Speaker 1: And I love s w V, but I think that's
Speaker 1: coming from yeah, definitely right here.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if dene chld is t C
Speaker 3: bro Like I think Beyonce was way bigger than Deny Childs.
Speaker 3: Ever was Jesse Childs was big, but it wasn't tl
Speaker 3: C big.
Speaker 1: Which about following the group. That's what I'm testing, the
Speaker 1: same thing. Desney's Child is t LC. It's the same ship.
Speaker 6: No, because you ain't get a you ain't get a
Speaker 6: Beyonce out out of TLC because the talent.
Speaker 1: I think Beyonce was the because I think t C
Speaker 1: was tl C. I think beyond stars. You got two
Speaker 1: stars out of there.
Speaker 4: Kelly Kelly the star, probably a bigger solo start than
Speaker 4: both than anybody TLC you think left.
Speaker 6: That would have been a bigger starting all of them
Speaker 6: than if she an't passed away, though.
Speaker 1: You had to. She had to be the one. But
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know because it was different.
Speaker 1: Cast away from the Bay, he said, Desney's child is
Speaker 1: TLC with talent? Who who's that that cast away from
Speaker 1: the Bay? That's boy, what you say?
Speaker 6: What you say? Since I don't remember they tried to
Speaker 6: make They tried to make t l C a couple.
Speaker 7: Of times, though w I was a really bad attempt.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, again, I'm not saying, but also,
Speaker 1: everybody not the team that made TLC. That team was incredible.
Speaker 1: I agree, I think their team ain't quite like TLC team.
Speaker 1: Who I would like to know who was who was
Speaker 1: three r W team?
Speaker 3: He wasn't motherfucker. They wasn't nothing of their mother motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, man, like I'm just I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to give TLC that credit.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I think y'all taking away from TLC a little too much,
Speaker 3: a little too much.
Speaker 1: TLC had baby faced Jermaine Duprie, Dallas Austin, l A
Speaker 1: read Daryl Simmons working on.
Speaker 3: Let me ask your question, dude. Okay, and that was
Speaker 3: a great team, but did he make some of them? Also,
Speaker 3: Dallas Austin.
Speaker 1: Already called no, they didn't. They think Dallas Austin was already.
Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't play no games. They didn't.
Speaker 4: They went and got the best motherfucker just to do it.
Speaker 4: Remember this was babyface wife, old lady. She went and
Speaker 4: got the best motherfuckers to do it. It was the
Speaker 4: best choreo, best choreographers, the best fashioned, the best writers,
Speaker 4: the best producers. You see what Jamain p Jermain du
Speaker 4: Prix had already had a number one song by this
Speaker 4: point in the country.
Speaker 1: They didn't play. They went and got cracking.
Speaker 3: They damn sure cracking. No, for sure, I agree with that,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: But just what the saying said they wasn't talented. It's crazy.
Speaker 7: I never said that wasn't talented.
Speaker 1: I didn't say they wasn't talented. I'm just saying I couldn't.
Speaker 4: It was marn't quite recognize their talent as much as
Speaker 4: they just give them.
Speaker 1: On the talent scale, Yeah, about a four.
Speaker 6: I think they delivered on the records store. They delivered
Speaker 6: on the records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. That's a f was for it
Speaker 1: was sport too long, a tele scale for them, force
Speaker 1: too long.
Speaker 6: I get him. All about about seven seven is a
Speaker 6: lot seven at what on the way they deliver it.
Speaker 6: They delivered you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're doing the work, Like do they dance a seven?
Speaker 1: What about black? Remember that girl group? They didn't have
Speaker 1: fucking babyface. Yeah, the machine came run about the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, machine'll see though seven O two seven.
Speaker 1: Shut out to roughly and TV three h W seven
Speaker 1: O two in black and but them combined wouldn't TLC.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think again, you gotta look at how
Speaker 4: many Look at what Jermaine dupre did to Bratt, Look
Speaker 4: at what Jamaine dupri did for Chris Cross.
Speaker 1: Look at what Jermaine dupri did that. And that was
Speaker 1: just Jermaine Duprix. That wasn't babyface and pebbles everybody else.
Speaker 1: That was just Jermaine Duprix.
Speaker 3: The more I think about it, I'm really think till
Speaker 3: C was on that Lidas vibe like Ali was way more.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, what did that?
Speaker 7: What did she do?
Speaker 6: So you got.
Speaker 3: Her answers than TLC. I don't know, man, she wasn't
Speaker 3: the greatest dancer of all time. She she could dance
Speaker 3: a little bit like t might have danced better than her.
Speaker 3: And that far as singing goes man, Ali wasn't the
Speaker 3: greatest singer of all time. Man, she was a better
Speaker 3: singer than TLC, but not so much.
Speaker 1: Better than that. Mhm.
Speaker 3: I think you're underestimate how good Chili and T Boss sing. No,
Speaker 3: you give him before you gave him a for a singer,
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think what's the LEAs as far
Speaker 3: as the singer goes about six okay, And I think
Speaker 3: till she was probably about.
Speaker 4: To sing, she could have never sang T Box, could
Speaker 4: have never sang none of Chili, not a single one
Speaker 4: that none of them would have been big.
Speaker 3: It's cold you sing a song is different. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying because Leah had that machine behind her. Also, no,
Speaker 3: she had a good machine, she had r Kelly. But
Speaker 3: I'm saying she could sing better than TLC. I think
Speaker 3: she could sing somewhat better than TLC, but it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't like it wasn't. I think Lia is a better
Speaker 1: single than TLC singer.
Speaker 7: I would think so. I've never really heard T Bars
Speaker 7: or Chili's like raw vocals, so I would have to hear.
Speaker 7: But just their records weren't close to each other. So
Speaker 7: but just from the just a consumer ear, I feel
Speaker 7: like a Lia's voice was better.
Speaker 1: By far and Lea is about a six.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if it was about Far though,
Speaker 3: like I think Far, I think it at least because
Speaker 3: I do think I do think a Lias sings better
Speaker 3: than them.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's by but what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying, So that's what I'm saying. So if you made
Speaker 4: TLC at seven, then that, I mean, the lead would
Speaker 4: have to be a A.
Speaker 3: I ain't got TLC at seven now or six? I
Speaker 3: said six, and that means would have to be a
Speaker 3: seven or eight.
Speaker 1: Maybe she'ason seven, seven and a half. Now you're getting crazy.
Speaker 1: Seven gotta be a sing to be a seven eight seven?
Speaker 1: Give her seven. I think you've given her a No.
Speaker 1: I gave her six because you kN t C a four.
Speaker 1: That's why, because to get up in the numbers, think
Speaker 1: before is a crazy is like a number. Okay, you
Speaker 1: gotta you said vocally, and people swear by vocally vocally,
Speaker 1: people swear by Brandy Brandy.
Speaker 6: Vocally. That's what I'm saying, sixty buggets brand that's the
Speaker 6: vocal bible.
Speaker 1: Brandy is a vocally nigga yes yes, and he's a
Speaker 1: ten vocally yes yes. In my mind right there, right there,
Speaker 1: and Brandy, Brandy's right there, and she got Brandy got
Speaker 1: a little more range because her low tone is crazy.
Speaker 3: This is crazy right now, hold up, now that's your
Speaker 3: second take right there, Yeah, brand like y'all.
Speaker 4: Now, Brandy a lot of props and everybody's heard her
Speaker 4: technically trained, but she's not.
Speaker 1: The singing with.
Speaker 7: Brandy's a ten. Whatever Whitney is, is Brandy well or whatever?
Speaker 7: Twelve or thirteen? Brandy's a ten.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Brandy is not.
Speaker 6: The money.
Speaker 1: They called a vocal bible. They called the vocal bible.
Speaker 6: Whitney Houston call her that.
Speaker 7: Whitney Houston called Brandy the vocal bible.
Speaker 1: Bro Brandes were used to said that I thought that
Speaker 1: was sweet, But Brandy cannot sing as good as Whitney Houston.
Speaker 7: Brandy is so wherever y'all want to put cool ten
Speaker 7: point one maybe the.
Speaker 1: Greatest female vocalist ever. That's area better singing to Brandy.
Speaker 1: Maria's carries if if Whitneys is a tin, I got
Speaker 1: Mariah at a nine point seven.
Speaker 4: I got Mariah the nine. I got only a handful
Speaker 4: of ten female singers. Many Ripperton is one of them.
Speaker 1: What about Angela Winbush chances a little? She could sing
Speaker 1: nice one. Angela's that's a nice one, my man, uh
Speaker 1: king like, there we go. Yeah, I got you. I
Speaker 1: got you.
Speaker 4: Like Mariah's diet, Mariah is diet many Ripperton.
Speaker 1: Many is a ten? What about Shaka con Yeah, time
Speaker 1: I probably write yeah, I mean Shaka's a nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got some of these people. I
Speaker 1: got to think about it.
Speaker 3: That's what somebody y'all don't appreciate Brandy with that natural too.
Speaker 1: Oh still Brandy and Whitney, bro don't do that.
Speaker 7: I didn't say nothing about Whitney. All I said was
Speaker 7: Brandy is a ten. That's all I said.
Speaker 1: No, she's not. You said, wherever Whitney is, Brandy is dead.
Speaker 3: I said, wherever Whitney is, if you got Whitney at
Speaker 3: a ten point one or wherever you want to put her.
Speaker 1: Brandy ten right there. Brandy could have not sayen that
Speaker 1: Dolly party is on that way six is tripping with
Speaker 1: that one?
Speaker 6: But no, he's not here.
Speaker 4: A lot of people that I know in R and
Speaker 4: B swear by Brandy's vocals and not quite I haven't
Speaker 4: heard this.
Speaker 1: I think Brandy could really sing, I think busy like
Speaker 1: her low. He was nice. She could say she don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know about ten.
Speaker 7: Her rangers credit and her runs.
Speaker 6: Runs just crazy.
Speaker 1: She's not Whitney Houston. Don't appreciate it vocal, she's not
Speaker 1: and she's not many Riverson neither. I just look the.
Speaker 7: Miss you like people that are in their own tears,
Speaker 7: like like like you.
Speaker 1: Know it's a ten. Elder Barges a ten and it's
Speaker 1: one range.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: The margin? One ring? And Brandon he's a team one
Speaker 1: gear man, I don't know because he was as a ten.
Speaker 1: The Barges a teen. Nigga. Elder Bars might be a ten.
Speaker 1: He might be right brother, his brother might be the
Speaker 1: ten as a team. Elder Bars told the song brother
Speaker 1: is a ten.
Speaker 6: Two brothers a ten? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but bye for sweat.
Speaker 6: But that ain't no ten.
Speaker 1: Listen, tell man one gear too, so you can have one.
Speaker 1: You could have one gear. You could be a lower.
Speaker 1: Anita Baker is a team. Anita Baker might one year
Speaker 1: and she was an eighty few minutes love Anita Baker
Speaker 1: might be a ten. I love one year one year.
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton is Anita Baker junior. Yeah, Tody Braxton might
Speaker 1: be an eight point five to me, Yeah, but she cold,
Speaker 1: she is, where did you have Brandy?
Speaker 7: I didn't hear I have Brandy at.
Speaker 1: An eighty six, but I was like, I'm like a
Speaker 1: like an eight point maybe eight, okay, because because because
Speaker 1: you can't put her when you put Whitney or many.
Speaker 6: Put if Whitley puts her there.
Speaker 4: She years she couldn't hear herself. She thought she hurt herself.
Speaker 4: She thought he sounded like Brandy.
Speaker 1: She can't hear. You're not gonna You're not gonna put
Speaker 1: You're not gonna put crack on.
Speaker 3: In the chat, man.
Speaker 6: Said she was on crack.
Speaker 7: No, that's what Glass is saying. Her ears was on crack.
Speaker 7: So so Brandy sound he wasn't right. And she heard
Speaker 7: herself She's like, oh, this sounds like me. I mean
Speaker 7: we used in the abuse drugs as Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When she said that, and then she also probably just
Speaker 3: being nice.
Speaker 1: Not doing that.
Speaker 7: Brandy's first album Nigga.
Speaker 1: We think Brandy can sing. I think eight is high.
Speaker 3: I think Brandy's dope. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if she seems that much better than Monica, to be honest.
Speaker 1: With you, Brandy don't sing as good as.
Speaker 7: Man man.
Speaker 1: Marie Tima Marie.
Speaker 6: Is a.
Speaker 1: Where Wait where y'all got uh? Where y'all got a FOOI?
Speaker 1: What's her name? Man?
Speaker 6: Yeahs about six?
Speaker 1: No, I'm just asking because I'm glad you said that
Speaker 1: I got Tina Marie White?
Speaker 6: Guy?
Speaker 1: Who did I just compare? Ala? About to say?
Speaker 6: Come on?
Speaker 1: Might better than bye bye A lot? I think so,
Speaker 1: I think she does something different.
Speaker 3: Damn, Now you're gonna be sucked Upcause if I called
Speaker 3: Aliah seven, Lauryn Hill got to be like an eight point.
Speaker 1: Five, that's no way.
Speaker 3: Lauraills eight nothing, y'all might be sleeping on Layd Hill
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 6: No, Laurya Helgion sings a lot of soul though, Like so,
Speaker 6: so it comes across different.
Speaker 4: I just think you're I think you're just giving everybody
Speaker 4: too high. Y'all think I'll be giving to low. Y'all
Speaker 4: give everybody to high. I give separations like T Boys
Speaker 4: is a four, because Whitteny Houston is a ten. That's
Speaker 4: how far they are part. That's not me shopping on
Speaker 4: T Boss T Boss the same. But she's not Whitney Houston.
Speaker 4: She's not She's not Tina Marie at nine. She's not
Speaker 4: Brandy at eight that j solid seven.
Speaker 3: Y'all got Brandy at eight and Janet out of seventh?
Speaker 1: What the what the hell? I got Brandy things better
Speaker 1: than Janet Jackson eight point five? I got, I got,
Speaker 1: I got Brandy. I think Brandy's sings better than Jenna Jackson.
Speaker 7: She seems way better than Janet Jackson.
Speaker 4: Jennet Jackson six six or seven. Goodness as a Leah,
Speaker 4: probably about right there. I really never heard I can
Speaker 4: see that you never heard her sing like not her
Speaker 4: singing like I heard her songs.
Speaker 7: But Shot, oh yeah, the Ageless Wonder seven.
Speaker 1: I kind of got Shot and Jenny Jackson in the
Speaker 1: same era area.
Speaker 4: Sta is a little bit bigger, a little bit better
Speaker 4: as a singer. Jennet, Yeah, just a little tell you
Speaker 4: about a seven. Aretha Franklin, that motherfucker ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you're over sixty five the glasses, you're a ten.
Speaker 1: So everybody had.
Speaker 6: Every old person, look, look, look, look.
Speaker 3: I just I wish I could show y'all this long
Speaker 3: for sure as I know here you go, I wish
Speaker 3: I could show you all this. I just text a
Speaker 3: legendary vocal producer, probably the best in the world. And
Speaker 3: I said, simply rank Brandy's voice one through ten. I
Speaker 3: don't think y'all can see that, but I'm a screenshot
Speaker 3: and send the TG.
Speaker 1: What is ten?
Speaker 6: Two?
Speaker 1: Then? What the fuck is Whitney Houston?
Speaker 7: Okay, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: You can't be Ten's don't think as good as Whitney Houston.
Speaker 6: Yo, you got something. People aout to chat. Somebody said
Speaker 6: Brandy's a six. Get that.
Speaker 1: Brandy's six. I mean it deppends on how much Brandy
Speaker 1: you heard a right?
Speaker 6: The six?
Speaker 3: You're not mad that coach superman like. I don't think
Speaker 3: she's a six, but Brandy. I don't think Brandy's a six,
Speaker 3: but I think she's closer to us.
Speaker 1: She is to Brandy's the Whitney Brandy's eight.
Speaker 7: Why do you we have to just keep this like
Speaker 7: the Jordan and Lebron thing?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 7: You have to be comparedive with you?
Speaker 6: You right?
Speaker 1: Six? Not my bad you. Whney Houston does what Brandy does?
Speaker 1: It can't be two tens. You're right, al Look, you
Speaker 1: want me to credit many Riperton does something different than
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston.
Speaker 3: Do you want me to screenshot this whole conversation because
Speaker 3: this is a producer who is older years.
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear he got all the success
Speaker 5: in the world. But if he think it to himself,
Speaker 5: Kny Houston, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Fucking with you.
Speaker 3: That phenomenal bran to the coldest vocal producer in the world.
Speaker 6: I don't ever heard nobody said Brandley wasn't a team
Speaker 6: bugger after I have heard it before, But.
Speaker 1: The vocal bible, Brandy is not no fucking team. Brandy
Speaker 1: can't be a team because she ray J sister. Brandy
Speaker 1: can't be a tig because she's Yeah, he can't be
Speaker 1: AI because ray J.
Speaker 4: Brandy can't because she's not fucking Whitney Houston or Minie Ripperton.
Speaker 6: Whitney said she was shout out to Whitney that she.
Speaker 1: Was a sweetheart. We got some white singers. What do
Speaker 1: y'all got up here? So you don't think Maria is
Speaker 1: a nine?
Speaker 6: What's there? What's the dell.
Speaker 1: Adele, Celine Dion adel Adele could sing, but they just
Speaker 1: don't have a soul on it. But just cause you
Speaker 1: don't got the soul on it. But I'm talking about
Speaker 1: vocal that's why. That's why you sing about Addie Lynn
Speaker 1: from is she sixty five hours older?
Speaker 7: All right, so look here's the breakdown. Because he's still typing.
Speaker 7: He said, Brandy's at ten, he said, I got Whitney
Speaker 7: more of an eight or nine. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
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Speaker 5: Thank you for the five dollars six Do you ever
Speaker 5: dislike your beat after it's finished?
Speaker 1: I always hated my own beat after I was done.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I wasn't sure if it was
Speaker 1: just me.
Speaker 3: Thank you diamond Back for the question. So now I
Speaker 3: get my thought out and I'll answer your question. The
Speaker 3: thought was it depends on specifics. He said Brandy. Brandy
Speaker 3: has the better tone in runs of the two, Whitney
Speaker 3: has way more range.
Speaker 1: What the I'm glad six is doing it?
Speaker 7: Back to diamondback, Uh, there was a Yeah, there's times
Speaker 7: where I hate my beats. I think, I really I
Speaker 7: used to always hate my beats until the pandemic, Like
Speaker 7: I would always like sell beats to other people, but
Speaker 7: I would never write to my own stuff ever. And
Speaker 7: then during the pandemic, I really tapped into just I
Speaker 7: don't know what it was, besides just having a lot
Speaker 7: of time, but I really tapped into a frequency that
Speaker 7: now I love writing to my own beats, but I
Speaker 7: still make you know, whack shit sometimes y'all just.
Speaker 1: Never hear it.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 7: I just deleted, so I delete the worst beats.
Speaker 3: The worst beats are when I used to drink and
Speaker 3: I would be like drunk, and I'll make a beat
Speaker 3: and then listen to it the next day and it's.
Speaker 7: The worst shit I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 4: So that may have my worst podcast take I ever
Speaker 4: heard from Whoever that is, I don't even know what
Speaker 4: it is because I don't want to lose respect for
Speaker 4: listen Rod Whennie Houston is at eight and Brandy's at
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. All right, we go se what he said,
Speaker 4: he said, what he said, and looking out for tuning
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