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Speaker 1: right now, because I decided to funk off to the

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Speaker 1: is not ideal. Um, My guest today is the person

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Speaker 1: as instead the co host of today's episode, while Chris

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Speaker 1: deals with my irresponsibility. Dania, Hello, Robert, how you doing, Buddy,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm doing good, Daniel, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly great. I could not be more thrilled to

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Speaker 1: I have my son, and my work husband and my

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Speaker 1: dog dog. You can't you can't say that on the mic,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I appreciate that though, so that again, Daniel. Yes, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you and I have. You and I have been colleagues

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Speaker 1: for for a while. Indeed, we've we've worked together. We

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Speaker 1: we we enjoy each other's company very much. We've we've

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how things are done

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Speaker 1: really friends with someone until you've spent an hour or

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Speaker 1: so talking about that One time l Ron Hubbard and

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Speaker 1: Do they have that expression where you come from, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: I did. I have done five episodes on Ron Hubbard

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Speaker 1: that's only a small part of it. Daniel, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm already in shock today. I felt like, in the

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Speaker 1: office and began measuring his skull because it was such

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00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: a perfect shape. I said, g Ron, that's a great story,

423
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: didn't I read it? And George Bernard Shaw Another time

424
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: he said he was in the Allusions in command of

425
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: a destroyer, and a polar bear jumped from an ice

426
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: flow onto his ship and chased everyone around. I realized

427
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: it as an old, old folklore story that goes way back.

428
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: He was always broken trying to borrow money. That was

429
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: another reason he didn't like me. I would never lend

430
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: him a cent. Whenever he was talking about being hard up,

431
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: he often used to say that he thought the easiest

432
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: way to make money would be to start of religion.

433
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: My favorite. That's my favorite aleron Harvard line right there. Yeah.

434
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: And a lot of people think he just said that

435
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: to the one guy. I think it's like usually um

436
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: nine who reports it. But you know, he said that.

437
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: He said that a lot. He said that over and over.

438
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: He was extremely clear about that, not not off handed,

439
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: even a little bit wasn't wasn't It wasn't a gotcha moment.

440
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: It was it was I'm a genius and I shall

441
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: make my money this way. Mmmmmmm. Also, I love that

442
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: I love to think about that time when it would

443
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: take someone extremely wise to be able to call you

444
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: on your own bullshit like that you could tell stories

445
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, and if there wasn't someone around who knew

446
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: George or was like at least aware of authors and

447
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: stories and everything in history, you could just get away

448
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: with that ship. Yeah. It's just a matter of like,

449
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: have you read more ship than other beings? And if so,

450
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: you could probably convince them of anything. Yeah. I once

451
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: convinced a friend of mine that the band Hanson had

452
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: died in a bush crash. And you know, it's it's

453
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: shockingly it's what we're saying. They're okay, by the way,

454
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: they're not dead. On December five, l Ron Hubbard was

455
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: mustered out of the Navy. The very next day, he

456
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: applied for a pension due to his sprained left knee,

457
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: conjunctive isis, chronic tatnal ulcer arthritis, recurrent malaria, and a

458
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: weird pain on his left side that wouldn't go away

459
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: and had no cause, but that he was pretty sure

460
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: was service related. Now separated from me, Now separated from

461
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: the Navy, he devoted all his time to applying to

462
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: for more disability ignoring his wife and child and trying

463
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: to get in closer with Jack Parsons. Now by ninety six,

464
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: Danial Jack and his first wife, Helen had separated. Being

465
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: a cool and totally emotionally mature dude, Jack did the

466
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: healthy thing and instantly started dating Helen's younger sister, Sarah Northrop,

467
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: when she was seventeen years old. Bro, I mean, that's

468
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: what most psychologists will recommend, so oh man. Shortly after

469
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: they get together, Sarah drops out of usc uh and yeah,

470
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: moves in with her brother in law Jack and his

471
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: collection of weirdos and wizards. She starts going by the

472
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: name Betty, after her middle name, and she gets drawn

473
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: into the O T O and into sex magic. Now,

474
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: in keeping with Carley's teachings, Jack urged his new girlfriend

475
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: to have lots and lots of transgressive sex with other

476
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: members of the lodge. Jealousy was an emotion of unenlightened beings,

477
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: something powerful wizards like Jack, attuned to the greater mysteries

478
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: of the cosmos, did not suffer from. Jack took great

479
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: joy in explaining to strangers how jealousy was for losers,

480
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: and he and Betty were better than normal people. Because

481
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: they did not feel it. And when you type it

482
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: out that way, the whole situation sounds like a fucking

483
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: time bomb. I mean it absolutely was. I mean we

484
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: we stand a sex positive king, but like that, yeah,

485
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: it has its limits most certainly. Yeah, and especially like

486
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: if you're the guy bragging about that and having her

487
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: have sex with strangers to test. Yeah, that's not that's

488
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: not they're healthy ways to do non monogamy. This is

489
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: not one of It doesn't really sound like yeah, um

490
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, everyone who now I should know that. Everyone

491
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: who knew Betty and Jack at the time emphasized later

492
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: how deeply in love the couple appeared to be, and

493
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: for several months this seemed like it was something that

494
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: was actually going to last. Um. L Ron Hubbard would finally,

495
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, break up this relationship. See being gullible and

496
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: sort of dumb for a trailblazing rocket scientist. Jack Parsons

497
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: had immediately been taken in by L. R. H's charm.

498
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: He'd written Alistair Crowley his master at the start of

499
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. He Hubbard is a gentleman, red hair,

500
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: green eyes, honest and intelligent, and we have become great friends.

501
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Although he has no formal training in magic, he has

502
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field.

503
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: Ron appears to have some sort of highly developed astro vision.

504
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: He describes his angel as a beautiful winged woman with

505
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: red hair, whom he calls the Empress, and who has

506
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: guided him through his life and saved him many times.

507
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: He's in complete accord with our own principles. I have

508
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: found a staunch companion in comrade in Ron. Yeah, it's

509
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: just but he loves his guys, his buddy, Yeah, and

510
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: he's got his but Ron's Scott. Yeah. I gotta of course,

511
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a guardian angel. She's called

512
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: the Empress. Oh my god. So there's a lot of

513
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: debate to this day as to how much of the

514
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: magic stuff l Ron Hubbard actually believed. Some people argue,

515
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: and there's a decent amount of evidence for this that

516
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: a lot of scientology wound up just being a rip

517
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: off of Thallemma um, and that basically Hubbard was just

518
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: sort of laundering a lot of Crowley's ideas but making

519
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: them less tied to like the devil and stuff, and

520
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: so that you could kind of sell it to a

521
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: bunch of people in the fifties. That's an art. That's

522
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: an argument people will make. Others will say that that's

523
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: going too far. Um And you know, it seems in

524
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: either case true that l Ron Hubbard was primarily interested

525
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: in the Parsons Circle because he wanted to have a

526
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: lot of weird sex, cheap room and board in a

527
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: chance at conning a bunch of money out of a

528
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: dummy with too much of it enhanced. Yeah, it sounds

529
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: like Ron Hubbard. Yeah, yeah, So when Hubbard heard that

530
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: Parsons was actively encouraging other members of the circle to

531
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: fund his girlfriend, he jumped right on that train and

532
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: wrote it to pound town. Those. Yeah, those of you

533
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: who listened to our first three partner on l Ron

534
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Hubbard will recall that the man did, in fact to fuck,

535
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: and in this instance, his fucking proved good enough that

536
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Betty was soon completely in love with him. This was

537
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: tremendously painful for Jack Parsons, but he'd spent so much

538
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: time bragging to everyone about how he was immune to

539
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: jealousy that there was nothing for him to do but

540
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: smile and pretend everything was awesome. You have to stand

541
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: by your word at that point. If you're going to

542
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: be jealousy is an emotion of the week. Oh, it's Hubbard.

543
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely knows what he's doing. Um, yeah and uh. Parsons

544
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: later wrote to Crowley, she has transferred her sexual affection

545
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: to Ron. I cared for her rather deeply, but I

546
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: have no desire to control her emotions now. Bron's roommate

547
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: him All later recalled Betty was beautiful, the most gorgeous, intelligent, sweet,

548
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: wonderful girl. I was so much in love with her,

549
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: and I knew she was a woman I could never have.

550
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: Then Hubbard comes along and starts having affairs with one

551
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: girl after another in the house and finally fastens on

552
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: to Betty. I couldn't believe it was happening there. He

553
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: was living off of parsons largesse and making out with

554
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: his girlfriend right in front of him. Sometimes when the

555
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: two of them were sitting at the table together, the

556
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: hostility was almost tangible. Wow, I mean yeah, yeah, I

557
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: can certainly imagine. Mm hmm. It seems like a less

558
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: fun house at this point. Definitely a less fun house

559
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah. And then again, to be a

560
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: fly on the wall for those scenarios had absolutely it

561
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: sounds incredible, seriously, so Jack seemed to need to feel

562
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: the need to really prove that he was super okay

563
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: with everything by starting a business with Ron and Betty.

564
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: Allied Enterprises was never much more than a vague plan

565
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: to buy yachts on the East Coast and seldom in

566
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: California at a profit. The whole idea has the distinctive

567
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: reek of an L R H scheme to it, and

568
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: my suspicion is that Hubbard recognized that Parsons had a

569
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: deep need to prove how cool he was with Hubbard

570
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: and Betty fucking and that doing something as mundanely normal

571
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: as going into business with them allowed him to really

572
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: present this image that he was like fine with everything.

573
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: I kind of think that's what Hubbard how he Hubbard

574
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: gets him to sign onto this um. So on January

575
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: fifty six, the three partners sign onto an agreement to

576
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: start this business. Jack puts in the majority of his

577
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: savings twenty thousand dollars. Ron puts in all of his

578
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: savings too, but this only comes to and Betty puts

579
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: in nothing. For a while, the business went nowhere and

580
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: the money sat in an account while Jack and Hubbard

581
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: set to work engaging in more magical endeavors. So at

582
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: the same time as they're starting this business, Jack Parsons,

583
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: who still hurt from the loss of Betty, had started

584
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: engaging in a nightly incantation ritual what he called the

585
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: conjuration of Air, invocation of Wand, and consecration of Air Dagger.

586
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: The goal of these increasingly elaborate rituals was to summon

587
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: a new girlfriend for Jack Parsons. Jack, It's okay, well,

588
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: summon you a new girlfriend. Yeah, we'll summon you a girlfriend, Jack, So, yeah,

589
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: an elemental mate as Jack Calner. Now I want to

590
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: be clear here, Daniel, Jack didn't just want a girlfriend.

591
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: He wanted to summon the incarnate form of the Horror

592
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: of Babylon so that he could impregnate her with a

593
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: moon child. It just gets so much deeper. It's just

594
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: like he keeps going when like, yeah, just the I

595
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: will remind you all this is one of the founding

596
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: fathers of rocketry. Oh my gosh, it's incredible. That is

597
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: that is uh, that is truly beyond. But now at

598
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: this point is no surprise. So I'm ready. I'm ready.

599
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going, baby. So I'm not an expert

600
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: in the cold Daniel. I've only participated in one demon

601
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: summoning and it was a goetic ritual. Um. But I'm

602
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: so I'm not an expert on this, and I tend

603
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: to think it's all kind of nonsense anyways. So I

604
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: hope my O t O and Satanist and Thella my

605
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: friends will forgive me if I get some details wrong

606
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 1: about what precisely Jack Parsons and l Ron Hubbard we're

607
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: trying to do, because it's recomplicated, But feel feel free

608
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: to sound off in the comments because I would like

609
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: to read how it's supposed to go down, because this

610
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: sounds fascinating. Go off. The short of it is that

611
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: Hubbard started working as a scribe and basically taking notes

612
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: and watching the music ly well. Jack Parsons masturbated in

613
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: a variety of elaborate ways a short stroke today. Yeah wow,

614
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: I found him. Yeah, it's it's awesome. I found a

615
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: medium article written by someone who's a lot more ac

616
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: cultically trained than I am, and he explained the rituals

617
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: this way. Quote. The method employed was that of the

618
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: solo eighth degree working of the O t O. Parsons

619
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: used his magic wand his penis to whip abo vortex

620
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: of energy so the elemental would be summoned. Translated into

621
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: plain English, Parsons jerked off in the name of a

622
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: spiritual advancement, while Hubbard, referred to as the Scribe in

623
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: the diary of the event, scanned the astral plane for

624
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: signs and visions so that, you know, just hanging out

625
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: with my friend masturbates perfect. That that does sound like

626
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: a good saturday. Me and me and a buddy, him

627
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: coming me, looking at the astro plane, taking notes. Times,

628
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: just good, just good times. Life was really a lot

629
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: better before the Internet. Taking notes and note and strokes.

630
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing out here.

631
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Sophie just shook her head disappointedly, which is frankly, exactly

632
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: what I was going for. Yeah, it's the only way

633
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: this could go. So after the first few nights of

634
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: these masturbation adventures, Pasadena was hit by a series of

635
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: powerful windstorms, one of which knocked out the power. Now,

636
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: if you've spent any amount of time in Pasadena, you'll

637
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: know that heavy winds are not a rarity there. Jack

638
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: took this note. They're constantly But Jack took this as

639
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: a sign that his magical ritual was working and now

640
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: one On Hubbard played along, claiming on January fourteen that

641
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: some form of celestial force had hit him on the

642
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: right shoulder and knocked a candle out of his hand.

643
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Parsons Leader wrote, he called me and we observed a

644
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: brownish yellow light about seven feet high. I brandished a

645
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: magical sword and it disappeared. Roun's right arm was paralyzed

646
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: for the rest of the night. These two gentlemen are

647
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: both so up each other's asses. Brandished it so time out.

648
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Real question, is the magical sword just his penis? I

649
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: it has to be right, and it has to be

650
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: his penis. Okay, okay, cool, I love that brandish a

651
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: magical sword. I'll be sure too. It's the best. I'm

652
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: sure to bust that one out next time. Yeah. Everything

653
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 1: that's happening here rules, and I'm fine with it. Amazing now.

654
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: The very next night, they began their rituals again, with

655
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: Jack masturbating furiously while l Ron Hubbard took notes on

656
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: his furious masturbation. Midway through the celestial wank session, oh

657
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard claimed to have some sort of astro vision

658
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: and see one of parsons enemies standing behind him, wearing

659
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: a black robe and bearing an evil, pasty face. According

660
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: to Parsons, Hubbard quote attacked the figure and pinned it

661
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: to the door with four big throwing knives with which

662
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: he is expert. So l Ron Hubbard is a master

663
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: of throwing knife. This is this is some sci fi

664
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: for sure. So I used my throwing knives. Wow, okay,

665
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It seems like this

666
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: is like this is like it's an anime plot right here.

667
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: For the next four days, Parsons and Hubbard grew increasingly

668
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: nervous and jumping. This may have something to do with

669
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: the unspoken reality that both men were on literal buckets

670
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: of uppers throughout this entire process. This does not get

671
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: emphasized enough in any discussions of even l Ron Hubbard specifically.

672
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: But like these guys and Hubbard for decades, these guys

673
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: are on so much fucking speed. That's like, however much

674
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: fucking speed, Like they're on enough speed that if like,

675
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: if they've been parting with or Thompson, he would have

676
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: been like, guys, you are doing way too much speech.

677
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: Doctor called down. That is an important and I will

678
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: say when I had my occult face, I was also

679
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: doing a lot of sucking speeds. So you know, it

680
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: comes with the territory. You know, it comes with the territory.

681
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: So the ritual masturbation. It continued until January eighth, when

682
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Jack Parsons and L. R. H headed out to the

683
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: Mojave Desert to conduct some new ritual that probably involved

684
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Parsons coming on a rock. Desert magic inspired another vision

685
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: in Parsons as he felt and he felt his anxiety

686
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: fade away. He turned to Hubbard and said, it is done.

687
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: They returned home drains of magical energies and bodily fluids.

688
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: It is done. It is done. They returned. They returned home,

689
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: drained of magical energies and bob Lee fluids to find

690
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: a young red haired woman matching Jack's requirements waiting at

691
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: the parsonage, which is what he called his house for them.

692
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Now her name. The reality of the situation, Daniel, is

693
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: that Jack Parsons was a really handsome genius with a

694
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: fuck mansion and young women were always showing up to fuck.

695
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: It was like that it was a place where you

696
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: go to fucking do drugs. And this happened a lot.

697
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: But in this particular case, this woman, uh, Marjorie Cameron,

698
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: came to the house the night after they went out

699
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: to go masturbait in the Mahave together, so they thought

700
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: that she had been summoned by the ritual um. As

701
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: far as they know, she was okay. So Parsons convinced

702
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: himself that Marjorie was an elemental spirit, the scarlet woman,

703
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: capable of bearing the incarnate at essence of the whole

704
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 1: of the Beast of Babylon and bringing it back into

705
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: the world. Jack and Marjorie quickly started fucking, and Jack

706
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: wrote excitedly back to his master Alistair Crowley, I have

707
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: my elemental She turned up one night after the conclusion

708
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: of the operation and she has been with me since.

709
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: She has red hair and slant green eyes. Is specified.

710
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: She's an artist, strong minded and determined, with strong masculine

711
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: characteristics and a fanatical independence. So we love an independent woman. Yeah.

712
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: Crowley replied with a vague statement that he'd been trying

713
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: to intervene personally to help Jack in his magical quest

714
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: to find a girlfriend. I can't be certain, but it

715
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: sounds to me like Crowley was just saying what he

716
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: thought would Butter Parsons up the most because he needed

717
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: more money from Parsons. That's it. I mean, you're probably right,

718
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: and you know who needs more money from you, dear listeners,

719
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: the products and services. Yeah, let's support this podcast. Yes, yes,

720
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: I feel confident saying all of our sponsors will follow

721
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: you into the desert to masturbate on a rock, so

722
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: you too can sumn the horror of Babylon, that hor Yeah.

723
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: We we have that clause in our in our our our,

724
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: our our agreements with the advertisers, right, Sophie, that they'll

725
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: help you summon the horror Babylon. Okay, cool, yep, here

726
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: you go. We're back, and we're talking about l Ron

727
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Hubbard and Jack Parsons and sex magic and jerking off

728
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: on rocks. Jerking off on rocks. So in late February

729
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: l R. H flew down to the East Coast to

730
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: look at yachts he might buy with Jack's money, while

731
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: Parsons drove alone again into the Mojave to perform an

732
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: invocation of the Goddess Babylon, probably by masturbating in the

733
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: desert again. He claims he was visited by the goddess

734
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: who started reading out a series of seventy seven clauses

735
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: that he wrote down in a notebook, the Book of Babylon.

736
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: He believed these were instructions for how he could impregnate

737
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: his elemental girlfriend with a moon child. Just all right,

738
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: you got I don't even keep going. I don't even know.

739
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: Quote from the goddess that he met after coming on

740
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: a rock in the desert. Now was the hour of

741
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: birth at hand? Now shall my adept be crucified in

742
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: the basiliskabode thy tears, I sweat, thy blood, thy seamen,

743
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: thy love, thy faith shall provide. So we aren't we all? Oh?

744
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: This podcast? A lot of comers on this episode Birth

745
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: to the moon Child for short after that, so, Parsons

746
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: and Hubbard both wound up back in Pasadena by early March,

747
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: and Jack told his best buddy what he'd seen out

748
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: in the desert, essentially playing yes. And Hubbard then informed

749
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Jack that he too had experienced a magical vision of

750
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: a savage and beautiful woman writing naked on a great

751
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: catlike beast. I imagine that whenever l Ron Hubbard closed

752
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: his eyes, he just saw scenes from the movie Heavy Metal. Yes, Yes,

753
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. His inner monologue was illustrated by Ralph Baksh. Yeah,

754
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so um yeah. So

755
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: he tells her, Yeah, he's seen this vision of a

756
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: woman rending a cat, and this beautiful naked cat lady

757
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: had a message to deliver. And so the two magical

758
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: masturbaders prepared a new ritual so that they could receive

759
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: this message. And I'm gonna quote again from Bare Faced Messiah.

760
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Candles were lit, incense burned, and a magical altar was

761
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: laid with flowers and wine. Hubbard describe wore a white

762
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: hooded robe and carried a lamp parsons. The High Priest

763
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: wore a black robe and carried a cup and dagger.

764
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: An automatic tape recorder was set up, and at a

765
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: Hubbard's suggestion, Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead was played as

766
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: background music. At eight o'clock, began to intone Yeah. At

767
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, Hubbard began to intone his message from the

768
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: astral world. These are the preparations, green gold cloth, food

769
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: for the beast upon a hidden platter. Back of the

770
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: altar disclosed only when the dolls are bolted. Transgression is death.

771
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: Back of the main altar prepare instantly at the first

772
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: flame at ten p m. March sCOD. The year of

773
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Babylon is forty sixty three. After a few minutes, Parsons

774
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: noticed that his scribe was pale and sweating profusely. Hubbard

775
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: rested for a few minutes, and then continued, Make a

776
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: box of blackness at ten o'clock, Smear the vessel which

777
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: contains flame with fine own blood, Destroy at the altar

778
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: a thing of value. Remain in perfect silence, and heed

779
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: the voice of our lady. Speak not of this ritual

780
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: or of her coming to any person. And Hubbard said

781
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: a bunch more stuff like this. While the scarlet woman

782
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Marjorie Cameron lay naked under a red robe. When Hubbard

783
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: prompted her, she read outlines that had been written for

784
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: her by Parsons when he was on his masturbation quest

785
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: in the desert. To love me is better than all things,

786
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: she chanted. Put on the wings and arouse the coiled

787
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: splendor within. You come unto me, to me, sing the

788
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: rapturous love songs under me, burned to me the perfume.

789
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: Drink to me, for I love you. I am the

790
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: blue lidded daughter of Sunset. I am the naked brilliance

791
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: of the voluptuous night sky. So throughout this whole process,

792
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Jack and Marjorie, and probably l Ron Hubbard too, we're

793
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: all getting a hornier and hornier together. They read out together,

794
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: They read out a chorus Glory into the Scarlet Woman Babylon,

795
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: the mother of abominations, that writeth upon the beast, for

796
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: she hath split their blood in every corner of the earth.

797
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: And yo, she hath mingled in the cup of her Hordem. Wow,

798
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: her Hubbard, her Hordem. Yeah. Hubbard describe stood at the altar,

799
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: ranting about what was supposedly happening on the astral plane. Well,

800
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: Jack Parsons whipped out his magic wand and entered the

801
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: horror of Babylon. The two fucked like metht out hyenas

802
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: while l Ron Hubbard narrated, And this sort of thing

803
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: continued for three more days, three days, three days, Jesus,

804
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: three days they're doing this ship. I found I found

805
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: a report on this whole ritual written by the Sunday

806
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: Times in nineteen sixty nine, and I'm fucking shocked. This

807
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: was published in a mainstream newspaper in the sixties. It

808
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: notes quote on the third day. The ritual began four

809
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: hours before or dawn. Ron tells his companion lay out

810
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: a white sheet, place upon it blood of birth. Envision

811
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: her approaching the think upon the lewd lascivious things thou

812
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: couldst do. All is good to Babylon. All preserve the

813
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: material basis. Thus lust is hers, the passion yours. Consider

814
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: thou the beast. Raping these invocations along with other passages

815
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: and the ritual indicates that Parsons had collected specimens of

816
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: his own sperm and the girl's menstrual blood. Oh they

817
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: got samples, all right, Yeah. Well. Climax of the ceremony

818
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: occurred the following day, with Ron at the altar working

819
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: his two subjects into a sexual frenzy. Were Rock Modinov.

820
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: He intones such gyms as her mouth is bread, and

821
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: her breasts are fair, and her loins are full of fire,

822
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: and her lust is strong as a man is strong

823
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: in the heat of her desire. Wow, real, real words

824
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: worth right there, Yeah, and exalted, Parsons wrote the next day,

825
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Babylon is incarnate upon the earth today, awaiting the proper

826
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: hour of her manifestation, and in that day my work

827
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: will be accomplished, and I shall be blown away upon

828
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: the breath of the Father, even as it is prophesied.

829
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: And it's probably at this point that we should discuss

830
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: what precisely Jack Parsons thought he was doing other than

831
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: having a bunch of kinky sex while his best friend,

832
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: the founder of scientology, watched him and quoted from what

833
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: was basically a D and D source book. Ye, so, yeah,

834
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: what what was going on the old noodle up there? Yeah?

835
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Well what was he think? What did he think he

836
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: was doing? So this moon child that he wanted to

837
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: impregnate Marjorie with was a homunculous which he described as

838
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: a living being inform, resembling a man and possessing those

839
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: qualities of man which distinguished him from beasts, namely intellect

840
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: and power of speech, but neither be gotten, nor born

841
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: in the manner of human generation, nor inhabited by a

842
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: human soul. So he wants to birth this soulless monster, um,

843
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: so that he can, Yeah, so that he can. Yeah.

844
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: So Crowley had written a lot a lot about this

845
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: idea and felt that the goal of all great magicians

846
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: was to create a messiah vious sex magic, and Jack's

847
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: goal was basically to to fuck Matt into Marjorie, a

848
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: living soul was being that he could then summon the

849
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: spirit of the horror of Babylon into so the Okay,

850
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: but and then what and then what is that? Just

851
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: like his his beast of his beast of control? Is

852
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: he like? What what is that? What is this homunculous?

853
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Then achieve I will tell you, Daniel, I will tell you.

854
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: This is what Jack Parsons wrote. The operation was formulated

855
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: to open an interdimensional doorway, rolling out the red carpet

856
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: for the appearance of the Goddess Babylon in human form,

857
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: employing the angelic language of the Enochian cause of Elizabethan

858
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: magus John d In the attraction of the sex force

859
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: of the duo's copulation. To this end, the Babylon working

860
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: itself was a preparation for what was to come, a

861
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: thelemic Messiah to wit Babylon incarnate as a living female,

862
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: the Scarlet Woman, his consort to the Antichrist, bride to

863
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: the Beast six six six and affect. Parsons also claimed

864
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: the mantle of Antichrist for himself. Without the Scarlet Woman,

865
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: the Antichrist cannot make his man of festation, the eschatological

866
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: formula must first be complete and wider words, the magical

867
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: rights of the Babylon working. It was parsons goal to

868
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: bring on the apocalypse. Sorry, this is from that medium

869
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: of past analyzing all this occultically, so of course, yeah,

870
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: he's trying to bring on the apocalypse. Now, it's important

871
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: to understand what Jack Parsons conceived of as the apocalypse.

872
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: He was not trying to bring about the end of

873
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: the human race um. Rather, he was trying to bring

874
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: about the end of the Western Christian world order. He

875
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: felt that the ruling class and the United States and

876
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: most of the rest of the world was corrupt and hypocritical,

877
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: and this was definitely true of Christian religious leaders. The

878
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: invocation of Babylon was meant to end to that world

879
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: and bring about a new age of free love. Upon

880
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: completion of his multi day funk ritual with his new

881
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: girlfriend and his buddy l Run Hubbard, Parsons was a

882
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: static that he had started the process that would end

883
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: with the breaking of the world order. He wrote yet

884
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: another letter to Crowley on March six. I can hardly

885
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: tell you or decide how much to write. I am

886
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: under command of extreme secrecy. I have had the most important,

887
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: devastating experience of my life, and he meant that in

888
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: a good way. He outlined the ritual he performed to

889
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: his master, who, rather than being excited, responded with utter shock.

890
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: You have me completely puzzled by your remarks. I thought

891
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: I had the most morbid imagination, but it seems I

892
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: have not. I cannot form the slightest idea of what

893
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: you can possibly mean. The same day, Crowley sent a

894
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: letter to the head of the American branch of the

895
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: O t O. Apparently Parsons are Hubbard or somebody is

896
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: producing a moon child. I get fairly frantic when I

897
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: contemplate the idiocy of these lauds. So just shading your

898
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: boy right there. Wow. So Alistair Crowley knew a con

899
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: artist when he saw and he suspected that Hubbard was

900
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: playing along with this whole caper, both for the sex,

901
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: which he got in plentiful quantity, and because doing these

902
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: rituals would help him build up trust with Jack Parsons,

903
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: so we could then rob the High priest blind. And

904
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: this is exactly what happened. In May, l R. H.

905
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: Betty Northrop fled California with something like ten to twenty

906
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: dollars of Jack parsons money, ostensibly to buy a yacht

907
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: to resell on the West coast, but instead they stayed

908
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: on the Eastern seaboard, living off Jack's savings. Uh and yeah,

909
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: just just stole all of his savings. So after this happened,

910
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: you did absolutely damn no. No, didn't even get the

911
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: moon child. Maybe he did. We'll talk about that at

912
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: the end. Okay. One O t O cult member wrote

913
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: to the head of the American branch of the church

914
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: after l Ron Hubbard stole of Jack's money. Ron and

915
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: Betty have their boat at Miami, Florida and are living

916
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: the life of Riley, while brother John Parsons is living

917
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: at rock bottom, and I mean rock bottom. So Crowley

918
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: cabled his U S office on this message, suspect Ron

919
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: playing a confidence trick, Jack Parsons weak fool, obvious victim,

920
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: prowling swindlers. In a letter a few days later, he said,

921
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: it seems to me, on the information of our brethren

922
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: in California, that Parsons has got an illumination in which

923
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: he lost all his personal independence. From our brother's account.

924
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: He has given away both his girl and his money.

925
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: Apparently it is the ordinary confidence trick, and to his

926
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: intellectual credit, Jack Parsons did eventually realize what was going on.

927
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: By July five, he had traveled to the East coast and,

928
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: in the words of a letter to his master, pursued

929
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: the children of my folly. He succeeded in salvaging about

930
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars of the money Hubbard had escaped with.

931
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: In true form, credited this with his magical abilities, summoning

932
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: a squall to stop their boat from leaving port. He

933
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: also went to the police for help, which maybe had

934
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: more of an impact, so my squaw. Yeah. After recovering

935
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: the last of his money, Jack Parsons left l Ron

936
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: Hubbard and Betty Northrope, both of whom wound up bigamously

937
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: married later before splitting up violently in the early nineteen fifties.

938
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: Parsons never saw either of them again, but he remained

939
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: with Marjorie, still dedicated to summoning a moon child and

940
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: becoming the Antichrist. In fact, he took the oath of

941
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: the Antichrist at ninety eight and changed his name to

942
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: Balerian Armylists. I'll dig all Antichrist. What say that? Again

943
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Balerian armilists. I'll die, I'll die. Anti Christ is like

944
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: the Islamic name for saying okay, cool, Just anti Christ

945
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: thrown in there at the end, just in case it

946
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: wasn't clear enough. Yeah, great cool, Yeah, yeah for sure dog. Sadly,

947
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: all this monkeying around with the occult had a negative

948
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: impact on Jack's career as a rocket scientist. He'd been

949
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: forced out of the JPL. Yeah, because of his growing

950
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: weirdness and experimentation. Keep jerking off on the rockets. You

951
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: gotta stop coming on the rockets, Jack. As the Cold

952
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: War settled in during the late nineteen forties and early

953
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, Jack was caught up in the dragnet of

954
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: suspicion over communist sympathizers in the Defense Research establishment. His

955
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: security clearance was pulled. And the irony here is that

956
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Jack was very fucking far from being a communist. He

957
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: was more of a libertarian than anything else, and described

958
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: himself as both anti fascist and anti communist. But the

959
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: FBI saw weirdo, free love magic person and assumed that

960
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: made him a dirty comic. Jack went through a series

961
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: of jobs after this, including some work for an Israeli

962
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: company that brought him under suspicion of being a spy.

963
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: He wound up destitute making pyrotechnics for the film industry

964
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: in order to make ends meet. In nineteen fifty two,

965
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: at the age of thirty seven, he was working on

966
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: a large order when he dropped a vial of nitroglycer

967
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: and blew himself into the astral plane. Yeah, yeah, sad story.

968
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Oh I wasn't aware of that part of the story.

969
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: Oh wow, he blew himself up. Depending on who you ask,

970
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: this was either a horrible accident or a targeted assassination

971
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: ordered by the US government. And it's entirely possible he

972
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: was assassinated because, like he was working with these Israeli companies,

973
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of people who thought, like,

974
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: this guy's just got is too smart, has too much

975
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: dangerous knowledge to be allowed to like funk around and

976
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: be desperate for money, and like, if we can't use

977
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: him because he's such a whack job, then we're going

978
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: to have to kill him. Maybe it did happen, Who knows.

979
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: There are even those who suspect Marjorie, the infamous Scarlet Woman,

980
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: of being his assassin. She'd been in the Navy before

981
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: so like I don't know. L Ron Hubbard had no

982
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: more dealings with the O T O after this, but

983
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, his newfound Church of Scientology began

984
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: to spin the story of L. R. H's days as

985
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: an occult sex scribe to claim that he'd really been

986
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: a secret government agent task with destroying the U S

987
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: black magic scene. They issued this statement. Hubbard broke up

988
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: black magic in America because he was well known as

989
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: a writer and philosopher and had friends among the physicists.

990
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: He was sent in to handle the situation of black

991
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: magic being practiced in a house in Pasadena occupied by

992
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: nuclear physicists. He went to live at the house and

993
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: investigated the black magic rights in the general situation and

994
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: found them very bad. Hubbard's mission was successful, far beyond

995
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: anyone's expectations. The house was torn down. Hubbard rescued a

996
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: girl they were using the black magic group was dispersed

997
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: and never recovered. He've rescued a girl. That's that fucking

998
00:55:52,200 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: mainstream media for you. Narative rescued a girl by ah

999
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: leaping with her and then stealing her baby. Several years later,

1000
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: my hero modern occultists are heavily split over the legacy

1001
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: of Jack Parsons and the Babylon Working as it is called.

1002
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: A number of occultists will argue that the ritual that

1003
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Jack Parsons carried out may have actually worked, just not

1004
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: in the way Parsons had anticipated. As one of them,

1005
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: a fellow named Metzker, noted, perhaps Parsons was an antichrist,

1006
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: and his particular mission was to pry open the apocalyptic

1007
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: gateway and activate the occult forces necessary for the upheaval

1008
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: of consciousness. But this will not happen without a struggle

1009
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: between the forces of control, black magic, and oppressive boredom

1010
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: on one hand, and the Luciferian agents of wisdom, unleashed creativity,

1011
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: and anarchic rebellion on the other. We have been brainwashed

1012
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: to believe is good patriotism, so called free enterprise, private property, Christianity,

1013
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: not the teachings of Christ, but the hateful travesty that

1014
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: the religion bearing his name has become thanks to the

1015
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: likes of Pat Robertson and his filthy ilk. Is now

1016
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: beginning to be seen by the emerging generation of the

1017
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: crowned and conquering child to be the death trap bullshit

1018
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: it truly is a whole culture is collapsing and a

1019
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: new one is about to be born. Jack Parsons would

1020
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: be pleased. Wow, so there's an optimistic way to end it.

1021
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I I suppose so, Yes, how you feeling

1022
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: about L. R. H. Jack Parsons and the moon Child?

1023
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: If I'm being completely real with you, I just see

1024
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: this like a movie where it's like you have a

1025
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: shot that's like thirty meters away, it's a steady shot,

1026
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: and you just see l Ron Hubbard sitting on the

1027
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: ground with his notepad, and then Jack Parsons just hunched over,

1028
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: just jerking off as fast as he possibly can, and

1029
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: just like, yes, yes we must summon. And I just

1030
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: the ghosts I never needed. Oh my god, I just

1031
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: can't get it out of my head. And that is

1032
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: just too funny to me. Um, it's amazing. I feel

1033
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: I feel a little I feel for Mr. Parsons. Will

1034
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: be honest with you, that's no, it sucks it over.

1035
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: He totally got sucked over that poor that poor moon

1036
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: child wanting ma'am, that poor moon child wanting antichrist Man. Well, yes, Robert,

1037
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: this was a fun tale, it really was. Thank you

1038
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: so much. For having me. I'm honored to be to

1039
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: to be receiving this incredible story. M hm. Well, Daniel,

1040
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: keep this in mind, because one day I may call

1041
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: upon you to follow me out to the desert and

1042
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: take notes on what ghosts do while I masturbate. Robert.

1043
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: I would follow you to the ends of the earth,

1044
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: and I'd be happy doing it. It's okay, Can you

1045
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: can be just you and me, Robert. We'll just tell

1046
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: Sophi about it afterwards. Hell yeah, we will. I would

1047
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: like just Daniel and Robert jacking off in the mohave.

1048
00:58:50,680 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: There we go. Stay tuned, okay, Um, listen to all

1049
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: the shows on the network. Listen to Worst Year Ever.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't get a chance to listen to it

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Speaker 1: could happen here. Please do. It's an incredible piece of

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Speaker 1: work done by this incredible man, Robert Evans here. Um,

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Speaker 1: get ready for more shows. Support all the show few shows.

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Speaker 1: Support the shows on the network. If you want to

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Speaker 1: follow me for my bad takes and come these jokes,

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Speaker 1: you can follow me at DJ Underscore Daniel d A

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Speaker 1: the behind the Bastards sub credit and behind the Bastards

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Speaker 1: out of context. You make me laugh every day. So

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Speaker 1: thank you all for being so funny on the internet.

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Speaker 1: And Robert, thank you for having me. This has been

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Speaker 1: such a pleasure. Thank you for being on Daniel, and

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Speaker 1: thank all of you for listening to this story, which

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Speaker 1: I think has involved the use of the word and

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Speaker 1: variations of the word come more than any other episode

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Speaker 1: of this show. Could not be more thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: part of that. Wait, you would have thought Cody Johnson

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Speaker 1: was in the room. You would have thought Cody Johnston

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Speaker 1: was in the room. Um, but he was here. He

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Speaker 1: was here in spirit, was masturbating in the moha. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Cody. Can. You can find this podcast on

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Speaker 1: the internet behind the Bastards dot com, including the book

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Speaker 1: Bare Face Messiah, which is all available in its entirety

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Speaker 1: for free online. It's a great read and it's an

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Speaker 1: amazing story of the life of l Ron Hubbard. Um.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at I right, okay.

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Speaker 1: You can find this podcast on Twitter and Instagram at

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Speaker 1: at Bastards pod uh. And you can find a moon

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Speaker 1: child of your own if you just find a couple

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Speaker 1: of good friends to come with. Rocks On and talk

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Speaker 1: about ghosts to new merch item moon Child. Great, that's

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Speaker 1: the episode. Love it.