1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Ya. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: small decisions we can make to become the best possible 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy Hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While I hope 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so 11 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: much for joining me for session to six of the 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Therapy for a Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: the episode after a word from our sponsors. It's important 14 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: to note that healing looks different for all of us, 15 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and that each of us might find different things helpful. 16 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: Joining us to chat about how healing can happen through sound, 17 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: meditation and breathwork. Is Linea Smith Crawford. Linea is a 18 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: licensed marriage and family therapist, holistic healer, wellness expert, and entrepreneur. 19 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: She earned her bachelor's degree in psychology from Spelman College 20 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: and her master's in marriage and family therapy with a 21 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: certification in Trauma Therapy. In addition to her degrees, she's 22 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: an Advanced certified Yoga, breathwork and Meditation guide, sound healer, 23 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: international teacher and speaker. She specializes in holistic mental health 24 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: and healing, which she defines as the return to wholeness 25 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: through the blending of practices of the mind, body, and spirit. 26 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Lunia and I chatted about the definition of holistic healing, 27 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: how things like sound, meditation and breathwork and support healing, 28 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: how to find someone appropriately trained to offer these services, 29 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: and she shares a special sound band just for our community. 30 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: If there's something that resonates with you while enjoying our conversation, 31 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: please share with us on social media using the hashtag 32 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: TBG in session. Here's our conversation. What are we talking 33 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: about when we talk about holistic healing, especially when it 34 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: comes to mental health. Yes, so I have started to 35 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: use holistic healing and holistic mental health interchangeably. But essentially 36 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: what it means is that we are tuning into all 37 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: aspects of ourselves. We are honoring that we are multifaceted, 38 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: and that in order for us to truly heal, we 39 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: have to be able to integrate all layers of selves, 40 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: so our physical, are emotional, are energetic, our thoughts, and 41 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: our spiritual aspects to create this safe container for healing. 42 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Got it. And so some of the things that you 43 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: use as a part of your practice are both breathwork 44 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: and sound healing. Can you tell us a little bit 45 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: about how you have developed these wellness practices as a 46 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: part of your life, and like how they've been beneficial 47 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: to you. Yeah. Absolutely, so. I have always loved things 48 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: like meditation and yoga and breath work, and I've always 49 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: understood like how necessary they were for healing and for 50 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: our mental health, so much so that I completed my 51 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: yoga and meditation teacher certification while I was finishing up 52 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: my masters while I was in grad school. I think, 53 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, you can also maybe relate to this. Graduate 54 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: school is probably one of the most stressful times in 55 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: a professional's life, and so I really was able to 56 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: lead into the power of breath work and yoga and 57 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: meditation and ultimately sound healing while I was going through 58 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: that really stressful period, and I started to notice my 59 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: colleagues and my peers were on the verge of straight 60 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: burnout right, and I had a sense of calmness about me. 61 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: And it was at that point I really realized that 62 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: things like brack work and yoga and sound healing are 63 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: really necessary for us, particularly in the most stressful times. 64 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: And so with that realization from my personal practice, I 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: wanted to integrate it with my work as a therapist, 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: and so I definitely tried to do it on my own, 67 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: or I tried to, you know, ask my supervisors for 68 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: guidance as far as integration goes, and back then it 69 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: really wasn't I'll say back then like it was forever. 70 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: Go was almost five years ago, all right, but we've 71 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: seen how much this whole like concept of holistic mental 72 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: health and holistic healing has really taken off in the 73 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: last I would say five years. My supervisors looked at 74 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: me like, huh, Like, girl, just refer them out to 75 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: a meditation teacher, just refer them out. We don't do 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: that as therapist. And so that was ultimately the beginning 77 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: of my journey of integrating these just is into the 78 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: therapy room and in the mental health space. You know, 79 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you sharing that because I do feel 80 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: like the people who are training now and like in 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: the future will have a very different experience of grad school. 82 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: Then it sounds like we both had because it feels 83 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: like we have learned so much more about like how 84 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: all of these things are integrated, but our training isn't 85 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: typically integrated in that way, right, And so a lot 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: of people have the same kind of story like you 87 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: around like going back to get certified in yoga and 88 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: meditation to supplement or compliment what they do in the 89 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: therapy room. And so can you talk about how you 90 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: have brought both of those things together and how things 91 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: like breathwork and sound healing can actually compliment traditional therapy. Yes, 92 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite things to talk about. 93 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: And to your point, we don't get this training in 94 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: our master's program and still now it's not really a 95 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: part of the curriculum. And so that's one of the 96 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: reasons I created the Holistic Therapist Academy, which is essentially 97 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: to teach therapists and mental health professionals how to ethnically 98 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: integrate and confidently facilitate trauma inform yoga, breathwork, and sound 99 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: healing to help clients heal from anxiety, depression, and trauma. 100 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: And so when you think about the major diagnoses anxiety, depression, 101 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: and trauma are really the top three that many of 102 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: our clients face and a lot of society goes through. 103 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: And so breathwork and sound healing is so beneficial for 104 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: those diagnoses and just like stress overall. And so when 105 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: we talk about this feeling of stress, right, when we 106 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: talk about being in our fight flight or freeze, right, 107 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: breath work and sound meditation and sound healing ultimately help 108 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: us to calm our nervous system. Right, So in our 109 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: nervous system, we have our parasympathetic and are sympathetic, are 110 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: sympathetic and I know you know this, but for the audience, 111 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: the sympathetic nervous system is our seat of fight flight, freeze, 112 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: and there's many other responses, but that's essentially our bodies 113 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: knowing that we're in danger. That is, when the bear 114 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: comes out in the forest and we have to freeze 115 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: or you know we're in danger. We're experiencing anxiety, depression 116 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: or trauma triggers. And so what breath work and sound 117 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: healing does. It allows us to move from the sympathetic, 118 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: this feeling of fright or this feeling of anxiousness, to 119 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: our parasympathetic, our seat of rest, digest, our seat of 120 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: safety ultimately, right, and so these practices help us be 121 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: able to manually get there right without necessarily having to 122 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: go to a class or having to engage in conversation. 123 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: These are tangible tools that our clients and ourselves we 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: can use to get out of the stress and the 125 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: anxiousness of life and into that calm zone of rest, digest, 126 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: and safety. So that's essentially why, like you know, practices 127 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: like breath work and sound healing are super compliments, like 128 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: they're necessary compliments to therapy because it gives our clients 129 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: another tangible way to get into that seat of safety 130 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: and prime condition for healing. I think also, you know, 131 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: in some ways, it feels like this might work a 132 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: little quicker than some of the ways that traditional talk 133 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: therapy works, right, Like some of them processing and like 134 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, talking through this stuff like that is still 135 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: really important, but the breathwork and stuff like that feels 136 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: like something somebody could practice almost immediately and see pretty 137 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: good results sooner than like would you talk therapy. Absolutely, 138 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: and so I think that's like a major point, right. 139 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: So we always talk about you know, you meet with 140 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: your therapist once a week, right, but even that once 141 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: a week is not enough to combat everything that happens 142 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: outside of the therapy room. So as therapists and psychologists, 143 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, we're always trying to give our clients coping skills, 144 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: but these holistic coping skills, like you said, work much quicker. Right, 145 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: If our client is starting to feel their anxiety increase 146 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: or a trauma trigger is starting to come up for them, 147 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: they're specific breathing techniques that they can do to calm 148 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: themselves down quicker. There's you know, specific sound healing techniques 149 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: that they can do to reach that level of safety. 150 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: And so to your point, these are quick and tangible 151 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: ways to ultimately help not just our clients, write ourselves, 152 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: because I engage in breath work every day, you know, 153 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: to keep this stress and anxiety down on a personal 154 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: level as well. Yeah, I mean, and who couldn't have 155 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: used some of this in the past, like eighteen months, right, 156 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Like when we talk about the chronic stress, like, some 157 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: of this I think could be really helpful for people 158 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: to just continue to soothe and take care of themselves. Absolutely, 159 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: because that's the name of the game, right. We want 160 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: to create a healthier and happier society and the more 161 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: that we can tap into these holistic practices, I think, 162 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: the easier it'll be for us to get there. M hmmmm. 163 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: So we have had the pleasure of having you join 164 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: us over in the Sister Circle for a sound bath healing. 165 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I would love for you to just talk a little 166 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: bit more about what a sound bath is and where 167 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: this practice comes from. Yes, absolutely so. Sound healing, sound meditation, 168 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: sound baths all essentially the same thing, using the power 169 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: of sound to how people relax and heal. And so 170 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: sound healing is based on the presidents of resonance, and 171 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: so resonance essentially says that when something is vibrating at 172 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: a certain frequency, when something gets near it, they start 173 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: to vibrate at the same frequency. They start to get 174 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: in tune with one another. So I like to use 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: the example of a guitar. When you strum the string 176 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: of a guitar, the string starts to vibrate, and then 177 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the wooden piece of the guitar 178 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: starts to vibrate as well. Right, So that's an example 179 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: of resonance, or to resonate. Right. When you're resonating with someone, 180 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: it means that you all are in tune with one another, 181 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: you're on the same page, you're on the same wavelength. 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: So that's the same concept in sound healing and sound meditation. 183 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: And so typically in sound bath sound meditation, you are 184 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: using Courtz crystal sound bowls and these bulls are tied 185 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: and tuned to specific chakras in the body. So chakras 186 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: are different energy points that we have in our body. Bodies, 187 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: we have seven foundational chakras that range from the base 188 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: of our spine to the crown of our head. And 189 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: so these foundational chakras are also actually tied to actual 190 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: systems in the body, so like think of your reproductive 191 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: system and other systems in the body. And so when 192 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: you engage in a sound healing session or a sound bath, 193 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the facilitator is using different bowls tuned to different chakras. 194 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: And so depending on what you're working on or what 195 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: the goal is of the sound meditation or sound bath session, 196 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: they'll make sure that they play specific instruments and bowls 197 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: that are tied to the chakras and ultimately helped to 198 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: clear out any blockages or clear out anything that may 199 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: be coming up for you. So that's essentially sound healing, right, 200 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: So it is instruments and bowls that are tied directly 201 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: to chakras in the body that ultimately help us do 202 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: certain things. So I'll give an example of a chakra, 203 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: the root chakra, which is also our first chakra to develop. 204 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: That is our seat of safety, that is our seat 205 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: of trusting and knowing. So that's usually the chakra that 206 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: many of our clients have issue with, because when you 207 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: think about someone that's coming into therapy or coming in 208 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: to any type of healing practice, they're ultimately coming in 209 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: the place of feeling unsafe. Right. That's a hallmark of 210 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: trauma and trauma responses is not feeling safe, not feeling grounded. Right, 211 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: So we use that term a lot when we talk 212 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: about anxiety feeling grounded. So your root chakra would be 213 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: something you would work with for those types of concerns, right, 214 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: So you might utilize your bowl, your roots chakra bowl 215 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: even more in that particular sound healing session. It's really 216 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: really cool stuff. And so another cool thing about sound 217 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: healing and sound baths are they help our brain waves 218 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: to slow down, so they get us into a certain 219 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: wavelength that allows us to get into this deep sense 220 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: of relaxation that allows the vibrations to do their thing right. 221 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: So if you're a meditator, you understand what we're talking about. 222 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: It's like that slowness that comes where you really have 223 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: space between your thoughts. So typically where our brain waves 224 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: are active and they're moving really fast and so we're 225 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: moving from one thought to the next. When you engage 226 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: in sound bath, you're slowing those brain waves down, creating 227 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: more space and time between the thoughts, and then ultimately 228 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: allowing yourself to relax and really feel into the moment. 229 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: So that's a little bit about sound baths and how 230 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: they work. And I'll also address this too because I 231 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: get this question all the time. What is the difference 232 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: between sound healing, sound bath, and sound meditation. So a 233 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: sound bath is essentially a group offering. So we're engaging 234 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: in a sound healing or a sound meditation session in 235 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: a group that is a sound bath. And sound healing 236 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: is essentially where you're using the sound to heal the body. 237 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: So someone's coming to you with you know, different symptoms 238 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: or concerns, and so they're specifically coming to clear out 239 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: blockages to help them here. And then sound meditation is 240 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: using the power of sound to meditate, and to get 241 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: into that deep relaxive state. So those are the differences 242 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: between the three. Got it. Thank you for that distinction. 243 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: And are there specific kinds of stressors or experiences that 244 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: sound baths or sound meditations help to alleviate or can 245 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: you just be for anything? Basically, Like you mentioned that 246 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: some of the wavelengths help you to slow down, but 247 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like for somebody who's in a more depressive state, 248 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily want them to slow down. They maybe 249 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: want to be more energized or whatever. Are their wavelengths 250 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: or the sounds that would help to do that as well? Absolutely, 251 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: really really great questions. So sound baths are really helpful 252 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: for anxiety and trauma responses, so I ultimately recommend them 253 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: for those, So anxiety trauma responses and also communication concerns 254 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: and relationships so your connection. So those are the things 255 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: that sound bass are really helpful for. And to your point, right, 256 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: if someone wasn't a depressed state, you wouldn't want their 257 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: thoughts to just slow down. You wouldn't want them to 258 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: be even more in a relaxed state. Right, So when 259 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: we talk about depression, we're thinking about lack of energy, 260 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: losing interests, so on and so forth. And so with 261 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: that point, right, that's also why it's important for us 262 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: as therapist who want to engage in this holistic therapy 263 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: realm to know and be trained in the differences. Right, 264 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: Because I could be thinking sound healing is good for anything, right, 265 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: space between the thought, amen, like, let me do that. 266 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: But when you have the understanding that, Okay, someone who's 267 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: depressed may not want to engage in a sound bath, 268 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: they might need to do more of an energizing breath 269 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: work practice. And someone who is really anxious right there, 270 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: in the height and anxious state, they would benefit more 271 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: from a sound bath than as opposed to a couple 272 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: of yoga poses or some breathing exercises. So, yes, you 273 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: definitely want to know what diagnoses you're working with when 274 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: you are engaged in sound healing practice, says so. Yeah, 275 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: so hopefully I answers your question. Yeah, that is super helpful. 276 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean, see, this is because I don't have training 277 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: in this area. So I'm glad I just stumbled upon 278 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: that question. But you know, that reminds me of something 279 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: you said earlier around like the ethics of this right, 280 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: And so I think sometimes people see stuff like this 281 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't know what you don't know, and 282 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily know how you could end up harming 283 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: people with the knowledge that you don't have, right, And 284 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: so I think sometimes people think, oh, I can just 285 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: put on this sound meditation track and you know, have 286 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: people do this stuff. But there is all the science 287 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and like knowing differentials and like how to match whatever 288 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: holistic modality you're offering to whatever the client is coming 289 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: in with. Yes, exactly, And so that's a huge part 290 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: in this particular field. Right. You have folks that say, well, 291 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: it's an ethical or yeah, I tell my clients to 292 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: breathe all the time, so I'm a holistic therapist. And 293 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: while that's great that you offer those things to your clients, 294 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: you definitely need training. And so that's again why I 295 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: created the Holistic Therapist Academy, because I see it all 296 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: the time. Oh yeah, as long as you tell your 297 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: clients to take a deep breath in, a deep breath out, 298 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: that's going to help them with their anxiety, depression, and trauma. 299 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: And that's usually where you know, if I see that, 300 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, I step in and say, actually, there are 301 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: certain breathing exercises that we're better for anxiety versus depression. 302 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: And there's certain poses that you would never put a 303 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: person that was coming to for trauma in that you 304 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: would put someone that's coming to for depression in, so 305 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: echo those sentiments. Training, training, training is essential, even if 306 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: you have your two hour yoga teacher training as a therapist, 307 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: you have to understand how to ethically integrate this work 308 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: and know what poses, what breathing exercises, what sound healing 309 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: techniques go specifically to the different diagnosis you might see 310 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: in your therapy room. Got it more from my conversation 311 00:17:51,720 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: with Linnea after the break. So would sound healing be 312 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: something that you suggest somebody do at home or would 313 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: you only want to do this like with a trained professional. 314 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: So I believe that these practices can be interchangeable. I 315 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: definitely think that as you want to use these practices, 316 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: particularly sound healing, for your personal healing and growth, I 317 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: do recommend that you go to someone that can at 318 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: least tell you, okay, well, these are the shakras. Maybe 319 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: you should focus in on or at least get the 320 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: experience of being led in the sound bath before trying 321 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: to do it on your own, but I do think 322 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: that it's something that you can definitely do on your own. 323 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: And the more that we can educate our clients and 324 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: just people in general about the power of the chakras 325 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: and the power of vibrational healing, the easier it'll be 326 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: for them to use these practices at home. Got it. 327 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: So I wonder if you can give us a little 328 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: example of like an intake session for a sound healing 329 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: looks like, like, let's say I came to you and said, 330 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm struggling with some assertiveness issue. Is our communication like 331 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned, what kinds of questions would you ask me 332 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: in that initial session? And like, how would you decide 333 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: what kinds of like sounds or bowls to play? Yeah? 334 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: Great questions. So, because I do this as integrative work, 335 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: the intake looks pretty similar to traditional therapy. Intake. We 336 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: want to know your goals, want to know what's happening, 337 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: We want to know why you're here for therapy, and 338 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: what your prognosis looks like. And so then it's about 339 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: which techniques to use depending on what's coming up for you. Right, So, 340 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: let's say you're coming to see me for communication issues. 341 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: You notice that on the job or in relationships, it's 342 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: hard for you to speak up. So of course, you know, 343 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: we'll build rapport, we'll do more emotional and thought body processing, 344 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: but then when it comes to the sound healing part 345 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: of our work together, will really focus in on your 346 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: throot chakra so you feel safe, and then we'll also 347 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: tap into the throat chakra. So your throat chakras your 348 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: seat of communication and it's also your seat of understanding. 349 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: So when folks are finding it hard to speak up 350 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: in relationships at work, they're noticing that they're dimming their 351 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: light right, they're not taking up as much space as 352 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: they could. Then that's a clear indication that there's probably 353 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: some blockage in the throat chakra area. And so the 354 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: sound session, of the sound healing part of our therapy session, 355 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: we would primarily focus on the throat chakra. So that's 356 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: kind of an example of how you would do that 357 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: because I answer your question, yeah it does. And you know, 358 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: I'm just really curious, So do people typically come to 359 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: you because like they find your website and they think like, oh, 360 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: I want to try this, or do people come to 361 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: you for your more traditional talk therapy, And then you 362 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: maybe ask or like talk to them about introducing some 363 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: of the sound healing or maybe breathwork into the practice. Yeah, 364 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: so people come to me wanting that integrative approach. They want, 365 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, to be able to process their thoughts, but 366 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: they also want to be able to engage in different 367 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: practices like the sound of ass the breathwork, and the yoga. 368 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: So they kind of know that off bat It's like 369 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: pretty clear on my website and this is what I do. 370 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: It's in the informed concept and it's in all of 371 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: that and then depending on where they are in their journey. 372 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: And that's something that I think is really important for 373 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: anyone who is wanting to engage in this holistic realm 374 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: is to know that it's always about meeting your client 375 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: where they are and sometimes you may never pull out 376 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: one of these techniques right or sometimes it's just welcoming 377 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: them into the room with a meditation or breath work practice. 378 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: So it's really also about tuning it your sessions to 379 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: your clients. So it's all about making sure it works 380 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: with whatever your client is bringing to you. Got it. 381 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: So let's dive more into the breath work. So what 382 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: is breath work? I think you hear it and You're like, Okay, 383 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: it must be something involving breathing, but what does actual 384 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: breathwork look like. Yeah, so, breath work is the intentional 385 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: use and constriction of the breath. So breathing is one 386 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: of the things that we do naturally, right, It's one 387 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: of the things that we pretty much don't have to 388 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: think about. We're grateful for that. But breath work is 389 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: being intentional about your breathing and the constriction of the breath. 390 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: So it's more than just Okay, I'm inhaling, I'm exhaling. 391 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: It's about certain patterns or certain constrictions that you do 392 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: to ultimately help with you know, symptoms like anxiety, depressive symptoms, 393 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: trauma responses, burnout, you know, things like that. Got it. 394 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: You've already kind of woven in some of these examples 395 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: which you talked about. There may be different kinds of 396 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: breathwork used for something like anxiety versus depression. Can you 397 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: talk about like some of the differences Yes, absolutely so 398 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: in breathwork trauma responses and anxious symptoms. They're pretty much 399 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: not looked at the same, but they're looked at similarly 400 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: because we know anxiety can be a symptom of trauma 401 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: or trauma triggers. So when you think about someone who 402 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: is going through an anxious moment or who may be 403 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: having a trauma response, the biggest hallmark is grounding in safety. Right. 404 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: We always talk about when your clients are experiencing these 405 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: heightened levels of emotions, let's ground them down, Let's get 406 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: them into the present moment, Let's get them into their bodies. 407 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: So if we're dealing with symptoms like that, our breath 408 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: work is going to be longer, it's going to be slower, 409 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: and we're really going to focus primarily on the exhales, right, 410 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Because one of the things that's important for us to 411 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: note is that when we're breathing, are engaging in breath 412 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: work practices, when our exhale is longer than our inhale, 413 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: it allows our nervous system to come back to center 414 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: a lot quicker. So we talked about the power that 415 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: these practices have on our nervous system earlier in our 416 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: talk today. But that's like a quick rule it thump, right, 417 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: So if your exhale is longer than your inhale, it 418 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: gets your nervous system balanced quicker. So that's like a 419 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: quick tidbit that you would use with someone who is 420 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: experiencing anxiety or a trauma response. Now someone who is 421 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: experiencing depression, right, the symptoms look way different than they 422 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: do when a client is anxious. So we're thinking about 423 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: little energy, right, lack of interest, isolation and things like that, 424 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: And so your breath work practice for someone with depressive symptoms, 425 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: it's going to look quicker, right, it's going to be 426 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: energy provoking. It's going to look a lot different than 427 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: it looks when you're working with a client whose experienced 428 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: anxiety and trauma. So that's kind of the difference in 429 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the breath work for those diagnosies. Got it during the pandemic, 430 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: and you know, after George Floyd was killed and Brianna 431 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: Taylor was murdered, we saw a lot of digital spaces 432 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: for and by black women that use a lot of 433 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: breath work, Like you saw a lot of like groups 434 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: that popped up around this. Can you talk about why 435 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: something like breathwork is particularly suited to help to manage 436 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: some of these concerns? Yes, absolutely, so when we think 437 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: about you know, racial trauma, right, so we think about 438 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: witnessing these murders and knowing the historical context of what's happening. 439 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: When we go through these unfortunate events and these times together, 440 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: we think about being in that flight or freeze mode. 441 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: We think about being in this state of unsafety, being 442 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: on high alert right, being in this state of like 443 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: anxious thoughts, right. And so breath work, like we said before, 444 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: it helps us be able to move out of that 445 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: sympathetic move out of that fight fighter freeze, move out 446 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: of this feeling of like unsafety into feeling safe in 447 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: our bodies. And so I think the greatest gift that 448 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: any of us can give ourselves is to feel safe 449 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: in our body. Is safe, being ourselves, safe, being who 450 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: God created us to be, and breath work is a 451 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: really tangible tool to help us do that. So I 452 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: think that's one of the reasons why so many breath 453 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: work circles came up around that time. And I'm so 454 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: excited to see that more breath work practices and more 455 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: sound healing practices are coming up because ultimately these are 456 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: our natural ways for us to feel safe in our 457 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: bodies and to essentially come back home to ourselves. You know, 458 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned that only within the last five years have 459 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: we seen more interest in this space, and some of 460 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: these practices, and I would say that even shorter than that, 461 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: have we seen more Black women kind of flaming space 462 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: with some of these practices. Can you talk about some 463 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: of the barriers that exist for black women coming into 464 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: some of these spaces. Yes, And that is the truth 465 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: of being honest and transparent. The wellness industry has really 466 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: been monopolized by white women. And now that more Black 467 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: women are understanding that, oh my gosh, yes, I'm worthy 468 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: of rest, I'm worthy of self care, I'm worthy at 469 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: the time it takes to nourish my soul, that we're 470 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: starting to see more of us engage in these practices 471 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: and then start to be the leaders in this movement. 472 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: And so it's really interesting because for someone like me, 473 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: I kind of look around and I'm like, wow, there 474 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: really aren't that many black women who do these integrative 475 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: practices and that lead these things and train people on 476 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: this work. So that means that most of my teachers 477 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: were white women, and so I think that one of 478 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: the barriers is there's not a whole lot of teachers 479 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: at least in this space and that looks like us. 480 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: And so that's a barrier, right when we're less motivated, 481 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: I think, or less likely to see ourselves in this 482 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: space if we've never seen someone that looks like us 483 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: in that space, right, And that's true for professions, So 484 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a barrier. And then too, I think 485 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: ultimately us understanding that we're worthy of rest and worthy 486 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: of these practices. I'm sure you've heard this plenty of 487 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: times us as black women, we are like designed to 488 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: be overachievers, were designed to be superwomen, were designed to 489 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: have it all together. And by the end of the day, 490 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: once we've checked everything off the to do list and 491 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: make sure everyone's needs are met, then there's really not 492 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: that much time for ourselves to engage in these practices. 493 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: So I think that the more that paradigm shifts that 494 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: we are worthy of these practices, were worthy of the rest, 495 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: that we'll start to see more of a change in 496 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: this field. And if I'm honest, I'm hoping to train 497 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: more therapists so that there are more of us in 498 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: this field. And I'm excited about the Holistic Therapist Academy 499 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: because we've already started Cohort one and we have several therapists, 500 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: most of them are black women and women of color 501 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: who are then going to be able to bring this 502 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: integrative practices to their communities and will be able to 503 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: see more of us in this integrative space. M mmmmm. 504 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: So what information or advice do you have for anyone 505 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: listening or tuning entire conversation who's wanting to get started 506 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: with more holiestate practices, Like where is a good holistic 507 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: healing one oh one where my day gets started? Not 508 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: a therapist, but just general people listening. Yeah, So I 509 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: think it's about finding the practices that work for you, 510 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: and I would say, don't be scared of it. I 511 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: think that we still have a lot of misconception about 512 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: things like breath work, meditation and sound dealing or even yoga, 513 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: and I would say, don't be scared of it. Know 514 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: that these practices were designed to help you live your 515 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: best life. They were designed to help you find a 516 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: deep sense of relaxation and to give you the space 517 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and time to come back home to yourselves. So that 518 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: would be my first thing, and then give it a try. 519 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: Be open. Now, the first time you engage in breath 520 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: work or go to a yoga class, or go to 521 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: a sound meditation, you may not be like, Okay, this 522 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: is gonna be life changing times that attend. Though, if 523 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: you're consistent with the practice, you'll start to see the shift. 524 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: So consistency would be my next thing, and so yeah, 525 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: those are my top two things. Don't be scared of it. 526 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: These practices were designed to help you and to give 527 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: it a try. Go on YouTube, type in you know 528 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: breath work practices. Follow folks on Instagram who are a 529 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: phrasebook or whatever social media platform that you're engaged in, 530 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: that engaged in these practices, and go for it. Get consistent, 531 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: Go find your local studio. There are local yoga studios, 532 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: meditation studios, and see what events they have. So just 533 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: be open and give it a try. M hmmm. And 534 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: for people who are maybe looking for like practitioners to 535 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: work with in breathwork or maybe sound healing, what kinds 536 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: of questions should they be asking? What kinds of like 537 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: credential should they be looking for to make sure that 538 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: they are working with someone who has been properly trained. Yes, 539 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: so definitely ask where did you have formal training? Someone 540 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: could essentially start playing sound bowls and call themselves as 541 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: sound healer. There's no regulation right regulation for therapist and counselors, 542 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: but there's that regulation for the term healer. So definitely 543 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: asking about their training, their experience, what other types of 544 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: clients have they worked with, what symptoms have they worked with, 545 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: what are their success rates? I think those are important 546 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: questions to ask. And also too, maybe you go to 547 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: one of their group offering. So many breath work facilitators 548 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: and sound dealers and therapists that do this integrative work, 549 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: they usually offer something in the public right, a public 550 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: sound bath, a public breath work class, So maybe you 551 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: attend one of their group settings to get a sense 552 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: of how they do the work, see if they resonate 553 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: with you, know, So that's something that I would suggest 554 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: as well. Honestly, I'm gonna say this transparently. I think 555 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: that having someone like a therapist, a therapist who also 556 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: is trained in this work, to me is invaluable because 557 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: you have a person that understands how to safely hold 558 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: you in a space when things come up. So with 559 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: any trauma triggers, anxiety triggers, or anything triggers you overall, 560 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: you have someone that know kind of guide you in 561 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: that process if that comes up for you within the 562 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: sound meditation and the breath work practices. So That's another 563 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: reason Dr Joy why I'm so passionate about having more 564 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: therapists have these tools, because we've spent years, right years 565 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: of our lives learning how to hold and create safe 566 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: spaces for people, so it feels easier for us to 567 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: integrate these practices. Got it more from my conversation with 568 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: Linnea after the break. You know, I'm wondering if you 569 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: can just talk a little bit about sometimes like what 570 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: kinds of triggers will come up for people and what 571 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: could happen if you're not tended to carefully, because I 572 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: don't think we always know like what happens, Like I 573 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: don't know that people always know when they have been triggered. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 574 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: And that's and that's the thing, right knowing when they're 575 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: triggered and what to say and how to help them 576 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: whoever you're going to see, you know, yoga, meditation, breathwork, 577 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: make sure that they have training and trauma. Make sure 578 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: that they have trauma informed training because this will ultimately 579 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: help them when people start to get triggered and to 580 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: not trigger the people in the room. So that's another 581 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: thing to look for. I'll give an example of something 582 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: that came up recently, I was leading a sound meditation 583 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: session a sound bath. It was a group sound bath, 584 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: and one of the participants came up to me after 585 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: and I will say, after all of my sound baths, 586 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: I leave time at the end for processing, because when 587 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: you engage in a sound bath, things may come up 588 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: for you. So you might notice pictures, visions, memories. You 589 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: might notice your temperature gets hotter or cold, you might 590 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: get thirsty, you might have some involuntary bodily movements. So 591 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: a lot can actually come up in a sound bath. 592 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: So I always start with that disclaimer, and anyone who 593 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: is deciding to engage in a sound bath know that 594 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: these bodily things may come up, these memories may come 595 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: up for you, and it's totally fine. It's a part 596 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: of the process, or it can't be a part of 597 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: the process. So she came up to me, knowing that 598 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: I was a therapist, and she said that she had 599 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: a couple of memories. It's like memories that she knew 600 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: were real, but she had suppressed for a long time. 601 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: And so we kind of processed just a little bit, 602 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: and it was pretty clear that something traumatic had happened 603 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: in her childhood, that she had pushed down to the surface. 604 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: And so I let her know that this is definitely 605 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: a childhood memory, This is definitely a trauma response coming 606 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: up for you. And I recommended that she tell her 607 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: therapist about this and also kind of explore themes of 608 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: trauma in her life. Right. And so, because I had 609 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: the trading right as a therapist, and I knew that 610 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: this was a part of trauma responses, we know that 611 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: the folks that have experienced trauma, they tend to push 612 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: down certain memories, right, dissociation. We pushed down memories because 613 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: we want to keep ourselves safe. But if I didn't 614 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: know that, I would have been like, oh, okay, well, 615 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: maybe you know, in your next meditation, try to recall 616 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: that memory again. Now, if I had done that, we 617 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: know what happens to people that recalled traumatic memories before 618 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: they're ready to process it. That's a huge trigger, right, 619 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: And I could have sent her down a whole spiral 620 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: if I had said that. But because I knew this 621 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: was a trauma response, I said, listen, that something must 622 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: have happened in your childhood, and she kind of gave 623 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: me the nod that yeah, there was something that happened, 624 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: And I said, listen, this is something you might want 625 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: to process with your therapist this week. This is probably 626 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: a traumatic memory coming up for you. And so she 627 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: was able to get the help that she needed because 628 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: I understood those symptoms. So that's an example of why 629 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: I think it's important for us to have that training 630 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: as well. M M. Are there any people or any 631 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: particular concerns who like sound healing or birthwork would be 632 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: contraindicated for so, like, if I'm struggling with this, maybe 633 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to engage in sound healing. Yes, So 634 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: I definitely feel that if you're someone who was like 635 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: deep deep in their depression, I wouldn't recommend going to 636 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: a sound bath session. I would probably recommend engaging in 637 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: like an individual session because then the practitioner can curate 638 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: the sound bath for you and tap into the chakras 639 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: that may be blocked, right, So I would give that disclaimer. 640 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: And also I would say to being aware, like if 641 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: you know you're in like the depths of your healing 642 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: and you're easily triggered, right, and we know what our 643 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: triggers are, So if you know that you're easily triggered 644 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: and you're not quite sure if the practitioners trauma informed. 645 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: That's also something that I would say, like making sure 646 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: your practitioner has some sort of trauma informed training, and 647 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: most practitioners put that in their bio right, That's a 648 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: really important training to have. But ultimately, outside of that, 649 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: I'd say that if anyone can come to a sound 650 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: bath session, see how it feels for them, and ultimately 651 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: connect with the practitioner. If anything came up for you 652 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: in the sound bath session, definitely take a moment to 653 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: bring it up to the practitioner. Hopefully that practitioner can 654 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: refer you to some resources or can be a resource 655 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: for you. Thank you so much for that. So what 656 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: are some of the resources that you find just self, 657 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: you know, recommending over and over again for anybody who 658 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: wants to get started learning more about like some of 659 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: the stuff you share today. Yeah, so if they want 660 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: to learn more about it, I definitely gotta you know, 661 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: plug my training the Holistic Therapist Academy. So I created 662 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: this because it was a training that I wished was 663 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: around when I was going through the process of becoming 664 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: a therapist. I've done the years of trial and error 665 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: so that those who are interested in this integrative work 666 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: don't have to, and so it's a full spectrum program. 667 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: We talk about how to ethnically integrate trauma and from yoga, breathwork, meditation, 668 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: and sound healing into your work with clients. We talk 669 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: about you know, how to be trauma and form. We 670 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: talk about ethical considerations, and we talk about how to 671 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: do no harm, rights, which techniques go to which diagnoses. 672 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: So if you're a therapist or mental health professional interested 673 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: in learning how to do the integrative work, I would 674 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: definitely tell you to go to my website and check 675 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: out the Holistic Therapist Academy because I curated it for you. 676 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: And then if you're someone who was interested in just 677 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, little trainings here there, want to get started 678 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: in a breath work practice, maybe you seek out breath 679 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: work facilitator training or find a yoga teacher training that 680 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: also incorporates breath work and meditation. So ultimately training, I 681 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: am a big proponent dr geor if you can't tell, 682 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: I don't training. I believe that these agent practices we 683 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,959 Speaker 1: were designed to use them and they're intuitive, but we've 684 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: got to get some training in there to do no 685 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: harm not only to ourselves but to our clients so 686 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: you do not suggest people just go into YouTube and 687 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: like searching for a breath work See. Now this is 688 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: where it's like that too edge sword, right, so you're 689 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: know where it's like you never want to tell someone 690 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: know these practice, don't just go and google. So I 691 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: would say that, yes, if you want to, you know, 692 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of try it out. Go on Google, go on YouTube, 693 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: find a breath work practice. But if this is something 694 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: that you want to lead people in, or if you 695 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: want to be able to help yourself, right, Okay, I'm 696 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: going through an anxiety provoking moment, what's a good breathwork 697 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: exercise that I can use? Right? So things like that. 698 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: If you want to be intelligent and skillful and how 699 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: you engage in these practices, I definitely highly recommend getting 700 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: training in them, and even just intro trainings if you're 701 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: just wanting to do it on your own. So it's 702 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: a yes and right, it's a both and got it? 703 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: Got it? So don't just stop necessarily with YouTube. Maybe 704 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: take it a little further. Yes, definitely got it. Got it? 705 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: So tell us where we can find you, Lenia. What 706 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 1: is your website as well as any social media handles 707 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: you'd like to share yes, So you can find me 708 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: on my website, The Holistic m FT dot com and 709 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: it is Lennea S. Crawford. On all social media platforms, 710 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: you can connect with me on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Yeah, 711 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: and so that's where you can connect with me. So, 712 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: if you're interested and maybe getting started in your sound 713 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: healing or yoga breathwork practice, our yoga studios seven Yoga 714 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: as t V I I add Yoga. We offer both 715 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: in person uh classes and virtually if you're not in 716 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: the Atlanta area, Perfect. Thank you so much. We will 717 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: definitely include all of that in our show notes and 718 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: make sure you stay tuned after the credits because Nia 719 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: has a special offering she will be giving to you 720 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: for tuning into the show today, and there will be 721 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: a form in the show notes for an additional treat, 722 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: so make sure you add your email address there if 723 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: you'd like to get some other gideas from her as well. Yes, yes, 724 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm excited to to give the audience with their own 725 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: full sound bath and breath work session. Perfect. Well, thank 726 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us to day Lynday. I 727 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me. Dr Joy 728 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: was a pleasure. I'm so Gladonia was able to share 729 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: her expertise with us today. To learn more about her work, 730 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: or to receive a free sound bath and breath work practice, 731 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: visit the show notes at Therapy for Black Girls dot 732 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: com sash session to thirty six and don't forget to 733 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: text two of your girls and held them to check 734 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: out the episode as well. If you're looking for a 735 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: therapist in your area, be sure to check out our 736 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: therapist directory at Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash directory. 737 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: And if you want to continue digging into this topic 738 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: or just be in community with other sisters, come on 739 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: over and join us in the Sister Circle. It's our 740 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: cozy corner of the Internet design just for black women. 741 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: You can join us at community that Therapy for Black 742 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: Girls dot com. Thank you all so much for joining 743 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: me again this week. I look forward to continue in 744 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: this conversation with you all real soon. Take it care 745 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: as we get ready for today's meditation, will also engage 746 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: in even breaths, so you'll inhale through your nose for 747 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: account of four and then exhale through your mouth for 748 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: account of four. As well. As we begin our sound 749 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: healing meditation, I'll count you through the breaths a few times, 750 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: and then you'll be free to engage in that breath 751 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: work practice is while the vibrations do their thing alright, 752 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: So wherever you are, find a really comfortable position, finding 753 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: a position that feels most comfortable for you, and as 754 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: you begin to feel into the position you chose, I 755 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: invite you to find a point of connection on your body, 756 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: so maybe placing a hand over your heart, maybe placing 757 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: the other hand over your belly, maybe pressing both hands 758 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: into heart center, or even allowing your hands to rest 759 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: against your thighs. And from here I invite you to 760 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: close your eyes if that feels safe for you, or 761 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: maybe keeping a low gaze, staring down at the tip 762 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: of your nose. And so, with your eyes closed or 763 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 1: with a low gaze, take a moment to really feel 764 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: yourself in your body, beginning to notice any sensations or 765 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: feelings that maybe coming up for you here, and then 766 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: really begin to tune into your breath, beginning to notice 767 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: your natural pattern of breathing, noticing how the breath flows 768 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: in and out without the need to constrict or control. 769 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: So as you begin to tune into your natural pattern 770 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: of breathing, take a moment to affirm I am still, 771 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: and as you allow the affirmation to sink in, let's 772 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: begin our breath work practice first, taking a deep breath 773 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: in through the nose, open mouth side out, inhaling through 774 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: the nose for account of one two three four exhale 775 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: one two three four inhale one two three four exhale 776 00:43:47,960 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: one two three four inhale one two three four exhale 777 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: one two three four inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale. 778 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: Continue to engage in this breath work pattern on your 779 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: own as you allow the vibrations to wash over you 780 00:44:50,239 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: m m mmm, continuing to focus on your breath to 781 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: remember the affirmation I am still. I take time to 782 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: connect with my body and breath. I am calm and 783 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: move with a sense of peace and harmony. Stress and 784 00:45:53,800 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: anxiety roll away. I am worried free. When I am still, 785 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,399 Speaker 1: I find beautiful and necessary rest. Rest that is an 786 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: act of resistance, rest that is an act of self care. 787 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: I am still. Breathe that in exhale anything that comes 788 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: against that truth. And as you continue to engage in 789 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: your even breaths, remember that connecting with your body and 790 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 1: your breath is an act of self and soul care, 791 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: and that you are worthy of the time it takes 792 00:46:49,000 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: to nourish your soul. Oh little of the little, of 793 00:47:40,280 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: the little, Oh m hm. Take a deep breath in 794 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: through the nose, hold the breath at the top. Sip 795 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: in just a little bit more air, open mouth side 796 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: out and slowly blinking, your eyes opened if they were closed. 797 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: Taking a moment to allow that feeling of stillness to 798 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: wash over you into to bring that stillness and that 799 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: breath with you throughout your days and throughout your weeks, 800 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: and remember that you are worthy of the time it 801 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: takes to nourish your soul. Thank you so much, and 802 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: I'll see you all again soon