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Speaker 1: And welcome to the latest edition a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot com. He's pulled the TEENA.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance met A. Good to be with you for

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Speaker 1: the next sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three

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Speaker 1: is the telephone number you coul also chime via Twitter

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Speaker 1: using hashtag Giants Chat. We're gonna get to your phone calls,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to your tweets. We're gonna do something a

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Speaker 1: little bit different. I know we've been focusing a lot

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Speaker 1: but there was an interesting article posted on NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com where they went division by division, team by team

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Speaker 1: and listed five reasons why they think every team can

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Speaker 1: ultimately make the playoffs. So Paul and I are gonna

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Speaker 1: break down why the Giants could very well make it

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs this season. Will go over some of

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Speaker 1: those factors, will look at the division as a whole,

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Speaker 1: and then we'd love to get some feedback from you

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Speaker 1: as well, So stay tuned for that, and let's start

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Speaker 1: with some of the factors Paul for why they think

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Speaker 1: the Giants NFL dot com is going to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And this was written by Adam Rank and you can

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Speaker 1: check it out on NFL dot com and factor number one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's stunning, but it's the fact that

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Speaker 1: I'll tell is returning to the field, which I would

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Speaker 1: say is a pretty good step in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Here is probably the best selling point to me with

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Speaker 1: respect to the statistic of why Odell Beckham's return is

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Speaker 1: so huge, And the article credits ESPN is Bill Barnwell,

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Speaker 1: who tweeted out recently this statistic. ELI has thrown sixty

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Speaker 1: six touchdowns with twenty nine interceptions and five passer rating

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Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham on the field. Without Odell Beckham on

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Speaker 1: the field, manning fourteen touchdowns fourteen interceptions of passer rating

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Speaker 1: of seventy five. Look, part of that is because of O'Dell.

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Speaker 1: The other part of that is because the Giants have

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Speaker 1: not had a consistent running games. And when you take

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Speaker 1: O'Dell out of the equation, you're talking about an offense

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Speaker 1: that well, it's like a cactus looking for water in

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Speaker 1: a desert. Okay, interest the analogy? Well, am I right?

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Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing. Yeah, I just I was expecting the

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Speaker 1: pasta or something with the meat balls and baghetti, but

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Speaker 1: you went that direction. That's fine. So I mean, really

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Speaker 1: I get the O'Dell factor, but really the dramatic change

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Speaker 1: really not much of a consistent running game. It's not

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Speaker 1: just O'Dell. And I'm not trying to belittle Beckham's impact

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Speaker 1: do so. But I do think that that particular angle

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Speaker 1: just one. Well, and I think it's also indicative Paul

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Speaker 1: when he's on the field, how he has the capabilities

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Speaker 1: of opening other facets of the team up, meaning giving

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Speaker 1: favorable one on one coverage for other receivers, maybe opening

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Speaker 1: up the middle of the film question, perhaps giving the

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Speaker 1: team an opportunity to run the football because there's not

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Speaker 1: well documented. All Right, factor number two once again not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a surprise. The arrival of St. Kwon Barkley, And

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Speaker 1: one of the statements that is written here is that quote.

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Speaker 1: It seems almost unfair that the Giants will get one

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Speaker 1: and what Adam ranked. The writer compares this to, which

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Speaker 1: I think is interesting as a big basketball fan, the

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Speaker 1: to boo hoo for the rest of the league and together. Okay,

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Speaker 1: very good, terrific analyst, good football mind. Former Yukon quarterback

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Speaker 1: Everything you do in the NFL is Rob Peter to

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Speaker 1: pay Paul. Usually, you can't maximize all your options on

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Speaker 1: Hernandez will have a bigger impact on the Giants this

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Speaker 1: and he did wonders for that crew. But anyway, I

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Speaker 1: get back to the point, and he was mentioning I

431
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Speaker 1: found this interesting. He said, when north Turner was the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator the Vikings, everything was numbers based. The language

433
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Speaker 1: of the offense was all numbers. And he said, I

434
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Speaker 1: came from a system in college it was all word based.

435
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Speaker 1: So he had to make that transition, and he goes,

436
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Speaker 1: when Shermer took over, Shermer did a better job of

437
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Speaker 1: incorporating numbers and incorporating words, and that mixture he felt

438
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: made it adaptable to the players. It made it easy

439
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Speaker 1: for the players to digest and and that type of insight.

440
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Speaker 1: It may not mean much of anything in the big

441
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Speaker 1: picture of things. Okay, I'm not trying to overly emphasize this, Paul,

442
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes little things like that, the subtleties

443
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Speaker 1: of the name of a play should maybe be the

444
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Speaker 1: difference between an offense being able to digest it and

445
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Speaker 1: execute it versus maybe having some struggles. So I thought

446
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Speaker 1: that was a very interesting point that red Ellison brought up.

447
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I wanted to add. I was

448
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: looking through Red Ellison snaps, and I know we got

449
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Speaker 1: into this a little bit yesterday too, to see maybe

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Speaker 1: if you think Sherman's gonna utilize him more, believe it

451
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Speaker 1: or not. In two thousand sixteen, Paul, when Shermer he

452
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: started off as the Vikings tight ends coach because Turner

453
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Speaker 1: was still the o C at the start of sixteen.

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Speaker 1: There's what a lot of people I think forget. Shermer

455
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Speaker 1: takes over his OC in November and then I'm see

456
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Speaker 1: he was the offensive coordinator for the entirety of seventeen.

457
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Speaker 1: But Ellison was already with the Giants. Yes, so Ellison

458
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Speaker 1: was behind Kyle Rudolph. And the reason I bring that

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Speaker 1: up is because now you have Ellison behind Evan Ingram, correct,

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Speaker 1: so you have a similarity there. Rudolph played to the

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Speaker 1: Snaps in two thousand sixty nine hundred seventy, Ellison played

462
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Speaker 1: just two hundred fifty eight. Now we go to Ellison's

463
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: usage with Ben McAdoo went up to fifty five thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: So his usage actually increased with the Giants coaching staff

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Speaker 1: last year. I still think is low and I could

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Speaker 1: see Shermer saying to himself, there's no reason why we

467
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Speaker 1: can't get that up, even though Evan Ingram is still

468
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Speaker 1: here on the team like a Kyle Rudolph ahead of

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Speaker 1: him on the depth chart. Those numbers are interesting to

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Speaker 1: be because I settle along during the course of last

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Speaker 1: season that I thought Ellison was underutilized. Uh and quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of those feelings came from what Ben McAdoo

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Speaker 1: had said earlier in the year about how much he

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Speaker 1: wanted to use him and then did not. Um. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at targets just in the passing game this past

476
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Speaker 1: season is another good factor, you know. Thirty two targets

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Speaker 1: twenty four catches, both career highs for Ellison. Um. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't think it's correct to automatically.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us have automatically assumed that

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Speaker 1: Ellison would play more because Shermer was here. But I

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Speaker 1: do think that all of us assume he will better

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Speaker 1: utilize him, whether or not that results in a change

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Speaker 1: in the number of snaps. I think he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: more relevant to the offense. No, I think that's well said, Paul.

485
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Speaker 1: I think maybe we tended to just make the assumption

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Speaker 1: or appeared that way, But I was with you. My

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Speaker 1: mindset was the utilization of Red Ellison not so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, him and Sherman are gonna get

489
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Speaker 1: back in the film room and it's gonna be like

490
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Speaker 1: the old days, and they're gonna reminisce and they're gonna

491
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Speaker 1: sayh sure, I remember that play when you light me

492
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Speaker 1: up in the back old think you had me, you know,

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Speaker 1: run a wheel rod that exactly. No, I wasn't necessarily

494
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Speaker 1: thinking that. I do think familiarity helps, but I think

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Speaker 1: Shermer being around Ellison and being his positional coach, that

496
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Speaker 1: I think maybe give Shermer a little bit better grasp

497
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Speaker 1: of how Ellison is effective and where you place him

498
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Speaker 1: on the field can lead to better production. So I

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Speaker 1: with you there. All right, let's open up the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: You want to weigh in and react to that NFL

501
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: dot com article, which was already interesting. As I mentioned,

502
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Speaker 1: We'll get to some of the other NFC East teams

503
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Speaker 1: a little bit later on here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

504
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: He's called the Tino Um Lance Meado. We got Tim

505
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: getting us going in New Jersey. Tim, what's happening. Nothing nothing.

506
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Speaker 1: What's up doing well? Tin? What do you have for us?

507
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: For Western? Sure? On joly si A team, the Giants

508
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: will trade Elic Flowers A Tway nineteen second round pick

509
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Speaker 1: in twenty fourth pound picks to the Vegus Bromi Cooper

510
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Speaker 1: and Tway nineteen and Tway and Tway sec First on

511
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Speaker 1: pick and on July August four team the Giants will

512
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Speaker 1: trade John Jerry Away nineteen fifth Pompigne twenty conditial six

513
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Speaker 1: month pick two things for Ted King Jr. A twain

514
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Speaker 1: nineteen seven third round pick. All right, Tim, boy, that's

515
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: that is a lot to digest right there. I'm smiling here, Tim,

516
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: because Charlie's gonna love you for addressing the offensive line.

517
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Speaker 1: Uh and and uh and and perhaps weeding out maybe

518
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Speaker 1: some guys who Charlie doesn't want. Well, I was gonna

519
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: say he basically addressed the offensive line by removal, not

520
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Speaker 1: necessarily by addition. What he's doing is he's then adding

521
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Ted Ginn and he's adding a Marii Cooper, so he's

522
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Speaker 1: adding to the receiving corps. Appreciate the phone call. Tip.

523
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Speaker 1: What I always love about Tim is when Tim Lay's

524
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Speaker 1: out these trades, not only just give you the trade poll,

525
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Speaker 1: he says on July seventeenth, and on August eighteenth or

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Speaker 1: August fourteens, whatever it was, I'm giving. I'm still wondering

527
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Speaker 1: how he and Charlie got each other's phone numbers to

528
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: discuss these things really, And yeah, Charlie, maybe you could

529
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Speaker 1: provide some insight on Twitter. We're not encouraging you to

530
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: dial into the program, trust me, Okay, so don't miss interpret.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can explain to us how you and Tim

532
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: are communicating and he is setting up trades to get

533
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Speaker 1: rid of the players that you're too not too fond of.

534
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, folks, if you don't know Charlie,

535
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that you do, uh, he would like

536
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: to come in here and go through that old line

537
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: like food processor. Yes, in all seriousness, I don't see

538
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Speaker 1: the Raiders even thinking about partying ways with the Maury Cooper,

539
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Speaker 1: even if you look at the fact that he did

540
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Speaker 1: have a rough season. He had had a lot of drops.

541
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Speaker 1: But you know, they may changes to the receiving Corps.

542
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: They don't have Michael Crabtree, and I think John Druden

543
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: is going to certainly utilize him And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: In all seriousness, and we've talked about this on the show,

545
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Speaker 1: this is not the time where you start parting ways

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Speaker 1: with depth on your offensive line, Paul. I know the

547
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Giants are at the point where even if John Jerry

548
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Speaker 1: doesn't win a starting job, okay, and let's say Eric Flowers,

549
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Speaker 1: maybe he gets beat out by somebody else at right tackle.

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Speaker 1: I'm just giving you hypothetical. You don't just part ways

551
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Speaker 1: with guys like that. You need insurance. And Giants fans

552
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: should understand there's better than any other fan based on

553
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: the injuries that the Giants have had to deal with

554
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line, Paul, for not just last year,

555
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Speaker 1: but for the last few years, when guys have gone

556
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Speaker 1: down and it's become a game of musical chairs and

557
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: you had to take a guard and you have to

558
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: move into the opposite side, or you take a tackle

559
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: and moveing to the opposite side, you have a backup

560
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Speaker 1: center playing guard. This is not all of a sudden

561
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Speaker 1: where oh, you don't think this player is gonna start,

562
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Speaker 1: and you now just try to get him off the roster.

563
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: You just don't do that. Those players still have value

564
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: because if they're not starting and they have starting experience

565
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Speaker 1: and they go to the bench. Just think about how

566
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Speaker 1: much better your benches as a result of taking that

567
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Speaker 1: experience and moving it to the second layer of the

568
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Speaker 1: depth chart. I agree. Let's head back to the lines

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Speaker 1: and two Zoe five one three. We got Rick and Nappa, Rick.

570
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: What's happening? Hey, guys, Rick and Tap, Rick and Tap.

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Speaker 1: You know I'd like to go to Napa just a

572
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: little wine. Well, there you go, We'll follow you. Tampa

573
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: is good for now. Hey, it's a great call now

574
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: because it's in between the season and then get through. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just wanted to get a three quick points,

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Speaker 1: uh question. First of all, were regarding Odell Beckham with

577
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Speaker 1: the Giants handling with the contract. Do you think is

578
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Speaker 1: this is what they're going to do and is it

579
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: the right thing to do? Uh? Just we gotta see

580
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Speaker 1: what he's gonna give us this year before we sign

581
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Speaker 1: any long term A for his health, be for no

582
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: drop passes in the playoffs, God willing we get to

583
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs and his overall performance. So do you think

584
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Speaker 1: that's what the Giants will do? Wait to see what

585
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: he gives us. Is he healthy and if he's still

586
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Speaker 1: the same Odell Beckham, So that's the first question. And

587
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Speaker 1: then regarding signing him because he don't want a big contract.

588
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Speaker 1: But I put it. I don't like saying put a gun,

589
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: but put it. Put a finger to your head, Paul. Uh.

590
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Speaker 1: Starting September, our offensive line will be who are starting

591
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Speaker 1: offensive line? Who will that be? What we saw yesterday

592
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Speaker 1: with the first team soldier Hernande is Um. I still

593
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: think Jones beats out Hallo pe O. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's a competition, as coach Shermer said, which will continue

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Speaker 1: through the summer. Uh. Then you'll have oh mom A

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00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: at right guard and Flowers at right tackle. Okay, alright, alright,

597
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: that that's that's good. I'm I've heard his Uh he

598
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: was on a w F A N A solar um

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00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Uh what's the name from? We got from New England.

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I tell you what a character seemed.

601
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Speaker 1: Character guy. I really think it was one of the

602
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Speaker 1: biggest signings that Giants had made in a long time.

603
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna make the offensive line really gell

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Speaker 1: um uh this season. So I'm looking forward to the

605
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: year coming ahead and the final thing as I know,

606
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with all teams, but I really

607
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: really think for the Giants that when we come out

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Speaker 1: and finish with the uh preseason and training camp, the injuries,

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Speaker 1: if we get through without injuries, because it seems like

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Speaker 1: somebody it's hurt and all that all the time. With

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Speaker 1: the Giants, if we get through that, I think it's

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00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: going to be a magical year. We go into the

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00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: season everybody healthy, it's gonna be great. I know that

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00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: other teams say the same thing, but it just seems

615
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: to be the case with the Giants. We get through that, um,

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00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a good shape and I really look

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: forward to the season. So again, nice talking to you guys,

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Speaker 1: and pick up on that Odell Beckham stot for me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the first point, you gotta appreciate the phone call. With

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Speaker 1: respect to your point about the timing of what may

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Speaker 1: transpire with Oldell Beckham, I mean, I always look at

622
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Speaker 1: the track record. Now with that being said, I mean,

623
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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman is now the GM. It's no longer Jerry Reeese.

624
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: So maybe there's not a great deal of stock at

625
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: substance that you could put into the decisions that Jerry

626
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: Reese made. But you know, they waited with JP P Paul.

627
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: They didn't give him in new extension or a new deal.

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00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: They waited for his deal to expire. Now, is there

629
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: risk involved in that? Absolutely, there's risk involved in that.

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Speaker 1: But this is what I've said time and time again.

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Speaker 1: I will continue to emphasize this. Old Ell Beckham is

632
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Speaker 1: in the final year of his contract, but that doesn't

633
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: mean that there are not tools under the CB A

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00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: paul that you can utilize to protect yourself from just

635
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: losing a player once his contract expires. And there is

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00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: the franchise tag, and the franchise tag has been utilized

637
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: by the Giants, has been utilized by a variety of teams,

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Speaker 1: and it's not crazy to think that if they do

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Speaker 1: want to follow the wait and see approach which the

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Speaker 1: caller was alluding to, which I think is a wise

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Speaker 1: game plan, I would in fault the Giants are doing that,

642
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: and they want to see what he is like back

643
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: to full health, how he's handling the ankle. Then if

644
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: you want to see how the season plays out and

645
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: you can't hammer out a deal, there is nothing wrong

646
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Speaker 1: with either maybe getting a deal done after the season

647
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Speaker 1: or giving him the franchise tag to buy you sometime. Well,

648
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I've said all along that the logical progression here is

649
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: that he's got to get on the field and show

650
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: them something. Coach Hermer has said that he expects him

651
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: shortly to be cleared to practice, maybe for many camp

652
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: coming up. But I think you're really not gonna tell

653
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Speaker 1: until training camp. Let's face. And that's my point. Even

654
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: though and I don't want people to jump the gun here.

655
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Speaker 1: Even though he may get on the field at MANI

656
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: camp and may be able to run through a few plays,

657
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: that to me doesn't automatically go full speed ahead. Now

658
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: you've got a contract. To me, I would think logic

659
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: indicates that the player needs to be able to beat competition.

660
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: He's got to go one on one against an opposing

661
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: player from another team. Whether that means snaps in the preseason,

662
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I really think that you could

663
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: make a case that they don't sit down and do

664
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: a deal with him till after the first few games

665
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: of the regular season. He actually gets out there in

666
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: September and beats a few guys and then okay, you

667
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: know what, now we got now we got something here.

668
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Because if he's not the same player, how do you

669
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: commit superstar money to a guy who may not be

670
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: the same player. I mean, that's logical. I think it's

671
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: extremely logical. That's why having the franchise tag to me

672
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: gives you a little bit more leeway and flexibility. And

673
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: this is the other thing that I think everybody needs

674
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: to understand. Even if the team is anxious to get

675
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: a deal done, Okay, let's operate under that mindset, that

676
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the player and his representatives Paul, have

677
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: the same type of anxiousness. They may still want to

678
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: assess the market. They may even be saying, you know what,

679
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: we'd like O'Dell to get a few games under his

680
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: belt because then maybe he'll prove that he is back

681
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: to and he'll continue to increase his value. You know.

682
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: That may be their philosophy. Now there's risk involved in

683
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: that too, you know. I'm just looking over the two

684
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen draft class. Mike Evans, Okay, recently got a

685
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: deal done. Jarvis Landry recently was given an extension by

686
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown. So my point is Beckham's camp has

687
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: at least a few wide receivers that they can go by,

688
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: but there are still players in this class that they

689
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: may want to see what pans out, and they also

690
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: may want to see what happens with some established veterans,

691
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: meaning who are equivalent to Odell Beckham in terms of

692
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: status in the NFL, and they may want to see

693
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: if they may be are eventually going to rework a

694
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: deal or something to that degree. So, you know, I

695
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: don't know what Odell Beckham's mindset is. You know, we

696
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: haven't heard much from him and was certainly not speaking

697
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: to his representatives, So you just don't know where they're at.

698
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's looking at it. I guess my point is pulled

699
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: from the giants lens, But maybe they're more patient too,

700
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: and they want to say, hey, you know, let him

701
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: get back on the field and then we could talk

702
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Again, What's what's wrong with that?

703
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Nothing at all. There are there are those people who

704
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: just want to rush this thing along and into me

705
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: it is careless to do so, and and but at

706
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: the same time there are those people who say, well,

707
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: because it's not rushing along, this is tragic, this is

708
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: a problem. The fact that it's not moving along quickly

709
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: and they don't have a deal done, this is terrible. No, no, no,

710
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: it's not the case. You know, it takes it takes

711
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: time to grow a cucumber in your garden. Like the

712
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: food thing. I'm glad you went back to that takes

713
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: time to grow all Italian food. Takes time to grow

714
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: a tomato. There we go, that's something my allego. All right,

715
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: there you go. Yes, it takes time to boil the

716
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: water for the pasta. There we see. We finally hit

717
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: the money. That's the money analogy or absolutely not. Now

718
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: we're hitting strip. Took a little bit, but you know,

719
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: forty minutes into the program, finally get it to the

720
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: So you know, that's where maybe Odell Beckham's mindset is,

721
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: or maybe it's the team's mindset. But I don't think

722
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: anybody should be alarmed that a deal hasn't been done

723
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: simply because of the fact that you're hearing media reports

724
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: left and right. And let's face it, I understand some

725
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: of the fans and anxious Paul, because every time there's

726
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: an O t A and every time there's a mini camp,

727
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: people are talking about whether or not Oldell Beckham is

728
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: here or not. And then it adds more layers to

729
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: the narrative about he doesn't have a contract they have

730
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: the franchise tag, and until the franchise tag is removed

731
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: from the c b A as a tool for teams,

732
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I really don't think there's anything to worry about that.

733
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: That's just how I feel, and I would say the

734
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: same thing about any other player. What about Aaron Donald?

735
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: The Rams haven't gotten a deal done with Aaron Donald.

736
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: Rams fans the evolving Rams fan because the St. Louis

737
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: fans in the l a fan. Okay, if you have

738
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to be politically correct, I'm sure you know you can

739
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: make the same argument. Aaron Donald's one of the best

740
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: defensive linemen in the NFL. I mean, if you're the

741
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Rams eight, don't you want to hammer out a deal,

742
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: get this done. But you know what, sometimes both sides

743
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: can't meet. They may want to see a little bit more.

744
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the Rams are saying to themselves, hey,

745
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: you know what, we at least have the franchise tag.

746
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: Just understand something. There were many reasons for the timing

747
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: of a deal, Okay. One of many is they can't

748
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: agree on money. Sometimes it's length of deal. Sometimes it's

749
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: the particulars within the deal, the l Sometimes it's the

750
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: guarante heed money sometimes it's the player doesn't want to

751
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: be there. There can be many read or maybe the

752
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: team doesn't want him, maybe they're not so sure, or

753
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: maybe they just want him under their conditions. There are

754
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: so many reasons and factors as to why a deal

755
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: gets done or doesn't get done at an appropriate time.

756
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: That's why when John Marras says it'll get done when

757
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: it gets done, it'll get done in due time, whatever

758
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: the case may be. However he has phrased it over

759
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: the course of the last several months, he's basically telling

760
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: you nature is gonna take its course one way or

761
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: the other, and that's it. You know, don't push it.

762
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Lance Met of Paula Tino with you here on the

763
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: latest edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. Thanks so much

764
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's head back to the phone lines.

765
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: It was my mistake for calling out his name because

766
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: he actually follows our directions. Charlie's a torre. Hey, I

767
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: heard my name. That was my first mistake. I did

768
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: specific to say you could tweet it us. I didn't

769
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: say to use, but it's anyway I wanted to shout

770
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: out to uh Tim. He's a smart, giant hand. He's

771
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: taken in some of my expertise, so I appreciate that.

772
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: So shout out to Mr Tim Hey, look, uh, the

773
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: next giant just got released from the Chicago Bears. He's

774
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: an offensive tax. Mr McCants. Well, Mr McCants is the

775
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: only offensive tackle left from that draft class when we

776
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: picked Moseley and I think Brewer and yeah came in eleven.

777
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: And then you add Matt McCanns and Brandon Moseley and twelve. Yeah,

778
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: there's a couple of guards that we had in that draft.

779
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: Those guys are all out of the NFL. The only

780
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: guy that's still in the NFL is McCants, So why

781
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: not bring him in just for try it out for

782
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: some competition. He is a veteran and he has played

783
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: for you know, I remember he's played for Oakland and

784
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: he played to the Bays, And so you wanted some names.

785
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: Isn't that just appeared so uh right? I think, ah, well, no,

786
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: it's it's Lance. By the way, I'm glad that you

787
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: can tell the difference between the two of us. Uh.

788
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I was gasping for air, Charlie, Yeah, I know that's

789
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: what what What what I was gonna say is I

790
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: mean Why stop there? Why not invite Mitch Petrus back

791
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: to Oh that was the guy? Well, but well, you

792
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: just well, maybe he's well rested and maybe he's ready

793
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: to put the pans back on. I mean, I think

794
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: back that guys we let go and he's stole in

795
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: the league. Well, but the fact that you're selling yourself

796
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: short and cutting it off at two thousand twelve is

797
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: just disappointing to me. I mean, there's also some offensive

798
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: linemen I think that we're drafted in about by the

799
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: Giants that I'm sure would welcome an invitation back to

800
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: training camp two. I just don't understand why you're closing

801
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: your horizons here in terms of your sample size. Charlie, Listen,

802
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: I've told this to you so many times before, and

803
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm serious, I'm not joking around. The Giants personnel

804
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: department has their radar out for any upgrades that they

805
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: can find to this ninety man roster, and that includes

806
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line. They've already done a bunch of things

807
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: with that unit over the course of the last few months.

808
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: And and to you know, really, I know, I know

809
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: you mean well, but you have to also be realistic too,

810
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, you can't be making a move every single

811
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: week for the sake of making a move. And I

812
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: know you want to, you know, totally overturn the unit

813
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: and and they kind of have to a degree, But

814
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: but you're constant wanting to change guys. That doesn't help.

815
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, how about giving these guys an opportunity to

816
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: work as a fivesome and see what they can do. No, I, I,

817
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, I I agree with that, But how can

818
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: we keep bringing another position? We're bringing in tight end

819
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: because they were GISs a five man man. That's why, Charlie,

820
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: come on, you know this. You've been watching the game

821
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: a long time. Have to have some kind of continuity. Yeah,

822
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: we have no depth to tackle it is. It is

823
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: a thin concerning position unless unless they really believe. Now again,

824
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: yesterday the second team tackles were Nick Beckton at left

825
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: tackle and Chad Wheeler at right tackle. Those are the

826
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: two guys running with the second team. Now, you and

827
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: I both know you have to have at least three

828
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: tackles on a team, so so they must feel at

829
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: the moment that Beckton and Wheeler are the two guys

830
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: most qualified to be that guy. But to your point,

831
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: and Charlie, hold on here a second to Paul's point.

832
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: If you're saying you want three tackles on the team, Paul,

833
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: then if they envisioned Soldier and Flowers as the starter

834
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: and then Wheeler sort of as a swing guy, you

835
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: have to have at least three tackles. My point is

836
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: there's if they contend. If they believe Wheeler is the

837
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: third guy, then wheel is the third guy, and he's

838
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: got to live with that drawing. Oh my god, well

839
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: do you do you know how good Chad Wheeler is.

840
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: This is another guy who has a very very small

841
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: sample size. Is it? Is it fair to you? You

842
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: don't order him to say that he can't be the

843
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: third tackle? Is that fair? Hey? I'm not saying that.

844
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is bringing some veteran competition, That's all

845
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But we don't have any veteran competition on

846
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: the right side. And and you know, except for Flowers,

847
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: and he's not really a veteran. And I don't think

848
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: I would take a cucumber for Flowers if we could

849
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: get rid of him. But that's me. Hey, I just

850
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to myself. Is my

851
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: birthday today, so has to shout myself out and so

852
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: all Giants fans, Hey, it's gonna be a good year.

853
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean I I look at it. We're gonna be

854
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: in the playoffs this year. Eli's kind of have one

855
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: of the best seasons he's ever had. All we have

856
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: to do is find that right tackle and we're good

857
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: to go. You got it all right, Charlie, appreciate the

858
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. And listen,

859
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: this is Charlie's favorite subject, so we're never going to

860
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: convince him to sim it down a little bit on

861
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: the subject. With that being said, I always say this, Paul,

862
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: you don't bring in players for the sake of bringing

863
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: in players. You bring in players because you believe that

864
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: there's value in them, and they're gonna bring competition and

865
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna maybe help push other guys. So every time

866
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: Charlie brings up a name and says, oh, there's a

867
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: veteran out there, why don't they bring him in, the

868
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: scouting department may not see that player is a valuable

869
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: addition to key word is upgrade. If you don't believe

870
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: there's a legitimate chance to upgrade through the move, you

871
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: don't make it. It's just that simple with you. With you, Paul,

872
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: we have something to tell the We'll get to that

873
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: in a second. I want to get to another phone call.

874
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: We should do this first. Well, well, we'll get to

875
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: that in a second. I just want to get to

876
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: the phone call first, and then we will certainly get

877
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: to that other item that we were teasing along here.

878
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Marco is in Connecticut, Marco, what's happening? Hey? Waitson, Paul.

879
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: How are you today? I'm do well, Marco. How's everything?

880
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: Everything's great? Um? What do you got? Hey to? Two

881
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: questions for you. One is kind of big picture that

882
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: I want to get both of your opinions on. But

883
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: the other specifically is about Lorenzo Carter. I kind of

884
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: feel like we were so everyone was so excited about

885
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: him after the draft, and you know, nothing happened that

886
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: would change that, except I think things have gotten a

887
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: little quiet about him, and I've wondered about him. I

888
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: didn't all be honest, I didn't really know too much

889
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: about him until like the draft process started, and I

890
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: did hear he was, you know, like a really up

891
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: and counting draft pick. And then when we picked him,

892
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: I was pretty excited, But I've been curious about him

893
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: in the defense, in this specific defense. How did he

894
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: at Georgia, how did he kind of comp on that

895
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: um because Roan was really the player that got the

896
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: most attention there. So it's kind of wondering what Lorenzo

897
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Carter's role was alongside a big player like Smith. Yeah, Enshort,

898
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: his role constantly changed. As he described to us, he

899
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: played all of the positions in the linebacker room over

900
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: the course of his time at Georgia. And and quite honestly,

901
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why as the Giants made

902
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: their pick, they said they anticipate that he's going to

903
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: be a dynamic pass rusher for them because they're projecting.

904
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: They're looking at him and they're seeing his physicality, his athleticism,

905
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: his size, his length, his frame, and they're saying, oh boy,

906
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: this guy could be No, they're saying, this guy could

907
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: be a terrific pass rusher. Let's let's use him in

908
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: that way. We're gonna focus on that part of his

909
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: game because we see him do a little bit of

910
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: everything else at Georgia. We're gonna make him an elite

911
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher. And I think that's that's what their mindset

912
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: is right now, and anything else that he does beyond

913
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: that's a bonus. They're looking at him right now to

914
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: be part of that pass rushing package to complement Olivier Vernet.

915
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Um, looking forward to scene and Mark. Yeah,

916
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: the the other question is for both of you. UM,

917
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: not a prediction, just kind of I think something fun

918
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: to think about. Who do you guys think is the

919
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: player that, Um, after the season, we're gonna look back

920
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: on and say, we didn't talk about this guy enough

921
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: leading into the season. Well, it's funny you mentioned that

922
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: because I think that sort of falls into place with

923
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: what we talked about yesterday when we got a similar

924
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: question Mark about who's capable of a breakout campaign and

925
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: maybe who's falling under the radar right now. So we

926
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: did throw out a few players. I mean, Avery Moss

927
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: was one of the players out we talked about because

928
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: we feel maybe with now a new defensive scheme that

929
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: maybe he could take the next step. And let's face him,

930
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: when you talk about the defensive line right now, not

931
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people are focusing on Avery Moss. I

932
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 1: think a lot of focuses on whether or not Olivier Vernick,

933
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: he get the double digit sacks, what Koree Martin's gonna

934
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: bring to the table. Some of the young defensive line.

935
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Avery Moss is not really a part of

936
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: the conversation, so I think he's a good candidate to

937
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Marco. If you look at least

938
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: the front seven, he would be one of the first

939
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: guys that would come to I. I just started thinking

940
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: about this the other day. And the reason why I

941
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: started thinking about that question and the reason why was

942
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I saw John's interview with Hunter Sharks, and I started

943
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: thinking about this guy. And I'm like, you know, every year,

944
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: every years a six that the fans get really excited

945
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: about in training camp, and you know, I don't know

946
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: about the contributions or what are made or what aren't,

947
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: but I feel like guy like Sharp. And then I

948
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: started thinking more about the position. I'm like Man Lattimore

949
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: and we brought in Russell Shepard. I'm like, there are

950
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot of players share in the wide receiver position

951
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: that are going to help on special teams. And also

952
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: I think just the real contributors as a wide receiver,

953
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: So those are I guess those are the guys I'm

954
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: thinking about. I think Latimore is going to be the guy.

955
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: Uh So I'll hang up and listen to you, guys,

956
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: But as always, thank you. You got to Marco appreciate

957
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: the phone call. I'm with you. I think that Cody

958
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: Lanimer is going to carve out a role on this team,

959
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: whether it be the third or the fourth wide receiver

960
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: in addition to his special team's responsibilities. I mean, he

961
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: has looked good so far lining up with the first team.

962
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I think he's taken advantage of his additional reps. Hunter Sharp,

963
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: to Marco's point, Paul is another good candidate to say, Oh, well,

964
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about him. But I think if you were

965
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: to ask me Avery Moss versus Hunter Sharp, Avery Moss's

966
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: chances of making this team are much higher than Hunter Sharp.

967
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: So that's why I would go with Avery Moss is,

968
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: in all likelihood a guy that nobody's talking about that

969
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: maybe we'll hear more about during the season than perhaps

970
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: a Hunter Sharp. Well, because pass rushers, by their very

971
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: nature are more valuable than Diame a dozen receivers. And

972
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disparage Hunter Sharp, but receivers, you know,

973
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: are more easily to obtain than they are bona fide

974
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: pass rushers. And if every Moss is going to be

975
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: the pass rusher that they think he is, well that's

976
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: a dimetond rough. That's a very valuable piece of the roster. Um.

977
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Russell Sharp is another interesting guy, Russell Shepherd. I'm combining

978
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: the two sharp guys. I mean, you know, look at

979
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: his Look at his numbers with the Bucks. I mean,

980
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: twenty three catches over fourteen yards of catch back in

981
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: two thousands, sixteen. Um, you know, for a guy who

982
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe number four, maybe number four, I don't know,

983
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: let's see what the competition brings out in him. But

984
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: for a guy might be number four in your depth chart,

985
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: those are adequate numbers. Yeah, I don't think that there's

986
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: any issue. I mean, that's another recent they brought in

987
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: some of these players because clearly some of them had

988
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: connections to Dave Gentleman. But the other factor was they

989
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily utilized as much as receivers on their previous teams.

990
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: Maybe they bring them into the mix here with the

991
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: Giants and they could blossom. So I think that was

992
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: a big part of it. Two zero one four five

993
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. He's pauled the team

994
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: onlines better, We're gonna get to some of your tweets,

995
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: and then I want to hit real quickly on the

996
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: NFC East the rest of the teams and they didn't

997
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: likelihood of making the playoffs. But first we just want

998
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: to tell you that the Giants have released a statement

999
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: on the health of general manager Dave Gentleman. It could

1000
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: be found on Giants dot com. So when you have

1001
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: a moment, head to the website and you could read

1002
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: that statement on the health of Dave Geentleman development that

1003
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: was just released today by the New York Football Giants.

1004
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: With that being said, on the topic of the Giants

1005
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: and the upside of the team moving forward with respect

1006
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: to how the rest of the division is gonna play out, Paul,

1007
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: we focused on this NFL dot com article about the Giants.

1008
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: I just real quickly want to touch on so of

1009
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: the other factors for the Eagles, the Cowboys, and the Redskins,

1010
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 1: because those are gonna be three teams that we're gonna

1011
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: be paying attention to throughout the course of this season.

1012
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: So the five factors why they think the Eagles are

1013
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna get back to the playoffs. It's not make it again.

1014
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: It's clearly getting back and defending their championship. The Eagles

1015
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: still seem like underdogs according to NFL dot Com, meaning

1016
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: they don't think this team truly has gotten enough credit

1017
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: for what it accomplished. Number two is Doug Peterson, and

1018
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: you hit on this earlier. You were talking about how

1019
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: we moved the running backs around, so that was a

1020
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: big factor. Jim Schwartz, how he has provided stability for

1021
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: that defense, and he is still on the coaching staff.

1022
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: So they have a new offensive coordinator because Frank Reich

1023
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: is now the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts, so

1024
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: they brought in d Filippo from the Vikings, but Jim

1025
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: Schwartz is still there providing stability for the defense. So

1026
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: they like that. This was an interesting title. They say

1027
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: they're the new Raiders, and what they mean by that

1028
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: is the Raiders of old, who were always competing for

1029
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowls because of a lot of veterans on defense

1030
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: and an aggressive defense. That's why they're making that type

1031
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: of comparison. You know, I happen to be a Corson

1032
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: Wentz fan. I liked them coming out of school. Um,

1033
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: and I think he's been exactly what was advertised, if

1034
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: not more. And so I'm a big fan, but he's

1035
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: coming off a significant injury. I have never been a

1036
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: huge Nick Foles fan. I thought they caught lightning at

1037
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: the bottle of several years ago when he had that

1038
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: sensational season for them. And I know he did what

1039
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: he did down the stretch last year to get them

1040
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: the Lombardi Trophy. I understand that, but it was also

1041
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: a small sample size. Um, I don't know what Carson

1042
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: Wentz is gonna be coming off of this injury. This

1043
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: is a big deal. What what what he's trying to

1044
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: rehab from. And in spite of the fact that we

1045
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time earlier talking about Orlovski saying that,

1046
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: you know, the Eagles have this great scheme and so

1047
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: forth and so on. Remember they're the hunted down. Their

1048
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: bag of tricks has been on display, and it's one

1049
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: of the reasons why teams have such a hard time

1050
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: repeating because once you put your bag of tricks on display,

1051
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: and you put them all out there because you're making

1052
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: a run for the championship and you want to get

1053
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: that ring. Well, now all of a sudden, the bag

1054
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: is kind of empty, and everybody else has had months

1055
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: and months and months to react. This is the way

1056
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: it always happens in this league. It's a copycat league.

1057
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: So you know you should adjust the should the Should

1058
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: the Eagles be favorites to win the Super Bowl this year?

1059
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: I say no way. Well, I don't think necessarily they

1060
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: should be favorites with the Super Bowl. I still think

1061
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: they're the team to be in the NFC East. I

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Speaker 1: think they at least deserve that label. I'd have no

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Speaker 1: problem would I could not argue with you there that

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Speaker 1: the defending champions in the division, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone else has improved to such a phenomenal degree that

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Speaker 1: you could favor them over filling in the division. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you, you you're gonna try telling me teams

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Speaker 1: like the Vikings and the Falcons, and maybe even the

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Speaker 1: Packers with Aaron Rodgers hopefully being okay again he's come

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Speaker 1: off an injury too, you could tell me that these

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Speaker 1: teams are just going to concede the Eagles of the favorites,

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Speaker 1: the Rams, They're just gonna concede that the Eagles favorite.

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Speaker 1: I don't think, But I just think if I mean

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Speaker 1: right now, all we can do is go by paper, Paul.

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Speaker 1: On paper, I think the Eagles are relatively intact from

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Speaker 1: last year. They're gonna get Carson Wentz back. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: have to see how he is, but that's at least

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Speaker 1: a benefit on paper. They have made some slight changes

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Speaker 1: on offense in terms of new tight ends because some

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Speaker 1: of their depth Shart beyond zach Ertz has changed, and

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Speaker 1: they brought in Mike Wallace, the former Ravens and Steelers

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, and Tory Smith was traded to Carolina. So

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Speaker 1: you know, there are some evolving factors for the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: but stability is there and that's important in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You have to be able to keep your roster intact,

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Speaker 1: especially when you do well the previous season. If you

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Speaker 1: can do that, you know, that's an accomplishment in itself,

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Speaker 1: given the finances that you have to deal with. And

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, by the way, his factor number five, his

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Speaker 1: return as to why they feel good about the Eagles

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Speaker 1: in terms of the Cowboys trying to make the playoffs

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Speaker 1: after finishing nine and seven, Zeke being available for the

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Speaker 1: full season, not suspended, emerging faces on defense, what they

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Speaker 1: mean by that is Laden vanderash who was their first

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Speaker 1: round pick in the mix to Marcus Lawrence, who they

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Speaker 1: feel maybe be coming into his own. Taco Charlton is

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Speaker 1: another young guy and that Rod Marinelli has done a

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Speaker 1: nice job with helping this young secondary come to life,

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Speaker 1: whether it be Byron Jones now moving positions again, you

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Speaker 1: have the youngsters Cheeto Woozia as well as Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 1: You know, they feel good about those guys. And they

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Speaker 1: also like the addition of Chris Rochard who was with

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks coaching staff and he is now the defense

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Speaker 1: is passing game coordinator in combo with Rod Merrinelli. Another

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Speaker 1: full off season for Dak Prescott is a selling point

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Speaker 1: for them. The big Ugly still big and ugly. The

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Speaker 1: offensive line for the most part is still intact, and

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Speaker 1: they also added Cameron Fleming from the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 1: And then the fifth selling point is a less than

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Speaker 1: pristine NFC East that and this goes back to your point, Paul,

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Speaker 1: about how there's been a lot of turnover, a lot

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Speaker 1: of parity. The Eagles of the last team to win

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Speaker 1: consecutive NFC East titles, four in a row, going back

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Speaker 1: to the early two thousands. Since then, it's been flip

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Speaker 1: flopping back and forth. So you know that would be

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Speaker 1: to me, you're selling point about why the Eagles should

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Speaker 1: not even be a lock because nobody has been able

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Speaker 1: to duplicate the NFC EAS championships as that alone you

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Speaker 1: should start with. So that's why there's upside for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and finally the Redskins. To look at it

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Speaker 1: this way, and I'll finish on this. I know we

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Speaker 1: kind of run out of time. Look at the division

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Speaker 1: between the franchise. Quarterback Carson Wentz coming back golf injury.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal for the Eagles because we all

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Speaker 1: know the quarterback is the most important guy on game day.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Redskins, Kirk Cousins is gone. They

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Speaker 1: gotta figure out if Alex Smith can do for them

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Speaker 1: what he did for Kansas City. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Dallas gets Ezekiel Elliott back now for the whole season.

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Speaker 1: But guess why des Bryant, whether you like him or don't,

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Speaker 1: he's gone. It's a different dynamic in Dallas now. And

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Speaker 1: then with the Giants. Giants have done significant changes to

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Speaker 1: their roster, change their front office, change their head coach

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Speaker 1: and their staff. I mean, can anybody really seriously tell me,

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Speaker 1: if I sit to you right now, bet the mortgage

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Speaker 1: on your house give me the order of the NFC

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Speaker 1: East in January? Come on, Who's who's gonna have enough

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Speaker 1: confidence to do that? There are too many unknowns right

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Speaker 1: now in this division for anybody to concretely believe that

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Speaker 1: they know what's going to happen. A lot of fluidity,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you there. I mean, once again,

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Speaker 1: on paper, the money should be with the Eagles because

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Speaker 1: of the stability and their returning, but in reality completely different.

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Speaker 1: I can make a case, and I probably say this

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Speaker 1: just about every season because of the fact that nobody

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Speaker 1: has been able to duplicate. But I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a stretch to make a case for the Cowboys, the Giants,

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Speaker 1: the Redskins or the Eagles to win this division. And

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Speaker 1: on the topic of the change of quarterback for the Redskins,

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith's arrival as factor number one why they feel good,

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Speaker 1: Darius geiss as steal in the backfield. According to NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com, which craft in the NFC East, which is

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Speaker 1: the ever interchangeable teams, depth in the trenches, and the

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Speaker 1: Redskins got a lot of defensive lineman coming back, either

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Speaker 1: from injury or who they've drafted. That's probably one of

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Speaker 1: the factors that should not be overlooked. And then Alex

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Speaker 1: Smith having a number of weapons on offense, Jamison Crowder,

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Speaker 1: Josh Doson, Paul Richardson from the Seahawks. They can utilize

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Speaker 1: some of those guys like they did with Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, Washington could very well be making some noise.

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Speaker 1: I could not write them off. I could see you

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Speaker 1: making them potentially the favorites to repeat in the division.

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Speaker 1: I could understand that, but I would not say that

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Speaker 1: with a tremendous amount the competence. If I were anybody,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you there. I have to see training camp,

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Speaker 1: got to see how the injuries play before. I think

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Speaker 1: we have a better grasp of this division right now,

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Speaker 1: though as usual, it looks very much wide open. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap things up for us today on Tuesday's edition

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Speaker 1: A Big Blue Kickoff Live. Certainly appreciate everybody tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back up and running tomorrow at noon Eastern,

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Speaker 1: keeping you all up to date on the latest with

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Speaker 1: respect to Giants Information, and head to giants dot com

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Speaker 1: for all the latest infol For Paul De Tino. I'm

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow. We'll speak to tomorrow right here on giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com. I'm going