1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Truth Hounds, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Hey there, let me ask you something. When's the last 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: time you found yourself questioning something? Oh? And I don't 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: mean like how tall is Mount Kilimanjaro, who was the 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Secretary of Agriculture under President Hoover? Or do toads share 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: a secret love language? I mean questions that are a 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: little more abstract, or let's just say earnest, like why 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: is it so hard for me to remember that one 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: guy's name. I've met him like five times, and each 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: time I'm left scratching my head? Or why does that 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: one neighbor of mine never say hi to me, even 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: though we've lived next to each other for years? And 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: why does that one woman look so good in hats? 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: But when I put on a hat, I look so bad. 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: Someone reported me to the police. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: you understand where I'm coming from. M I don't know 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: about you, but I have questions like these ones every day. 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: And when these questions arise, they seem so pressing, and 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: I think to myself, can someone please look into this? 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Kyle and I met on a little curbside in Los Angeles. 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: I said, I like your boots and she said thanks. 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: There's just something about her curiosity that made me see 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: the world a little differently. Kyle un Well, she always 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: had a lot of questions. But the thing I've come 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: to realize is that Kyle's questions they really were everyone's questions. 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: She just had the guts to ask them. And after 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: years of hearing her ponder and probe, well, I was 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: convinced that we couldn't keep sitting in these questions. We 29 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: had to do something about them. That's where our story 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: kind of begins. I'm Anna and I've been unemployed for 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: about a year now, so I really have nothing going on. 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: And I'm Kyle. In middle school, I received the award 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: most Enthusiastic to Learn, So that makes me pretty special. 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: And that is what makes us the perfect investigative duo. 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: We are two friends who love each other very much, 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: but what we love even more is getting to the 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: bottom of mysteries. All mysteries, sure, but small mysteries specifically. 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: Trust me, No mystery is too small. No, no, no, 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Why don't you trust me when I tell you? We 40 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: are ready to snip around? We are the truth? How Hello? 41 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: Hey Kyle? Yeah, Hey, Hey, it's Sannah, Hey, Um, are 42 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: you busy right now? Um? I'm a little tied up 43 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: in some stuff. But what's up? Well, Um, we need 44 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: to talk. I'll be right there. A little something you 45 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: should know is that we both love the show Laguna Beach. 46 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: Anytime the characters on the show needed to talk, they 47 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: would meet at the beach. It added instant drama and 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: the production value doubled through the roof. We love that 49 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: about it, so we decided to do that too. To 50 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the beach. We went, Hi, thank you so much for 51 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: meeting me here. It was like an hour drive and 52 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's some rush hour traffic. But really yeah, 53 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: in case you didn't catch that, Kyle said, rush hour traffic. 54 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: See the thing about Kyle is that you was wearing 55 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: three masks that day. I promise you'll hear it in 56 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: the recording. Well, it's really beautiful. Nice. We were at 57 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: the beach and it really was beautiful. The color, I mean, 58 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: just the way the ras painting it really does. It 59 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: looks amazing. It really was beautiful. Even our sound guy 60 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: Roman thoughts, so that looks nice right there. I mean, 61 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: he wanted to take photos of us, take one of 62 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Kyle sitting down and then yes, and then take one Havanna. 63 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: That's very nice. Okay, Roman, that's enough. It really just 64 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: makes me think that, you know, we really are just 65 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 1: a speck of dust kind of in the grand scheme 66 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: of life. Wow. Yeah, I never thought about that, like 67 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: like the you said, nature just has a way of 68 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: taking your breath away. But anyways, that's a story for 69 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: another time. I got to my point, the real reason 70 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: why I asked Kyle to meet me at the beach. 71 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, the other day I was, Um, I was 72 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: meeting with a friend of mine who's not you, by 73 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: the way, um, and we were supposed to meet at 74 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: like four. We were going to meet up for coffee, 75 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: but socially distance of course, you know. Um, we were 76 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: going to meet up, and we were going to meet 77 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: up at four, and then he he was late. But 78 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: he was so late that I swear I looked at 79 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: my phone and it was it was like four sixteen 80 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: and I still hadn't heard from him. Crazy, because literally, 81 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I have a friend not you did the same thing 82 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: to me the other day. Really, I wonder if it 83 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: was the same friend. We shouldn't say the names, right, 84 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: we should say the name tell me with your eyes. 85 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: Who the person all to tell you of my eyes? Okay, um, okay, 86 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: no it was It's a different person. Kyle couldn't contain 87 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: her frustration. Just what is with people? I mean, you 88 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: trust them with your time and they betray you. I mean, 89 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: I feel like someone betrays me like that. You're basically 90 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: betraying my family. To be honest, it hurts my feelings. Carl, 91 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: are you okay? Yeah? What are you sure? Look at me? 92 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you and you're okay, Yeah, I'm fine. Okay. 93 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: Little did she know that frustration was actually the fuel 94 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: we needed to start our investigation Episode one, Why are 95 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: some people always late? For any good investigation, you need 96 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: a plan, a place to start. Well, we didn't know 97 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: exactly how to start. We just knew that we had 98 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: to hear from a lot of different people from a 99 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: lot of different backgrounds, like a focus group, a group 100 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: of people in front of whom you test an idea. 101 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: So we came up with the following plan. Well, let's 102 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: gather a group of chronically late people in a zoom 103 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: and asked them why they're late and what was up 104 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: with that? In case you didn't know, Zoom is the 105 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: leader in modern enterprise video communication with an easy, reliable 106 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: cloud platform for video and audio conferencing. But how are 107 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: we going to find people for our Zoom We thought 108 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: about the areas of our lives where we interact with 109 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: the most people. It was definitely Instagram. I mean, Anna 110 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: had about five thousand followers, actually five thousand sixty four 111 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: to be exact. Anyways, it was a lot. She was 112 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: basically an Instagram superstar in my book, and me I 113 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: just had him easily twenty followers, mostly made up of 114 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: my cousins and my aunties. We put up a post 115 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 1: that said, are you late? Why are you late? Reach 116 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: out to us? Also, Kyle attached a really cool photo 117 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: of a guy who's late. You can tell he's late 118 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: because he's standing in front of a clock and he 119 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: looks stressed. Immediately, the calls came flooding in. We started 120 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: to get in touch with the people who responded to 121 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: the post before we would officially invite them to the 122 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: focus group. We wanted to see what they were all about, 123 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: mostly to get a sense of their Zoom style. We 124 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: couldn't just let anyone into our Zoom group, you know 125 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,239 Speaker 1: how things can get and so I had posted um 126 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: on Instagram looking for people who are late or habitually 127 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: or know someone who's late, and you responded, our daughter 128 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: is late. Yeah that sounded promising. Jeez, snug as a 129 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: bug in a cocoon of family on a fluid. I 130 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: really wasn't following, Kyle. I'll tell you what I was following. 131 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: This person was a nerd. Yeah, she was due Monday 132 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: and now she's five days late. So oh man, that 133 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: was the right kind of late. It was awkward. I 134 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: didn't know what to say to a pregnant person, so 135 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: I just started saying mazel talk, but you know, but 136 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: mozele talk. I also didn't know what to say, so 137 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: I also ended up saying mosle talk. Yeah, definitely model talk, 138 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: and congratulations to you guys. This wasn't the lead we 139 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: were looking for. Another person reached out to us and 140 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: said she was late. It's kind of been a lifelong thing, 141 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: and I think, honestly, I learned it from my my mother. 142 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Now we're getting somewhere. I don't know if it's genetic, 143 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something in my d n A. Okay, 144 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: all good stuff, but would she be good in a 145 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: zoom with other people? We asked about her zoom style. 146 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: I kind of like to just be more an observer 147 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: than like, okay, check me out. I'm I'm in the zoom, 148 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: so you kind of check out? Would you say when 149 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: you're in a zoom, I'm I'll look at my phone notifications, 150 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: social media, you know. Okay. We thought we could probably 151 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: work with that, but then something happened and things got weird. 152 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: It happened if she was saying something pretty innocuous. She 153 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: was basically just describing her computer setup. I have my 154 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: part of my room where where she described her couch 155 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: and lighting, and then well, we'll let you listen for yourself. 156 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: You could visibly see all the naked people behind me. Okay. 157 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: Then the next thing seemed to come out of nowhere. 158 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: We tried to keep our composure, but it really caught 159 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: us off guard, and those stickers happened to me, big 160 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: titty anime girls, What was that? I got really flustered. 161 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: I didn't want this to derail our investigation, so I 162 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: tried to keep the conversation going. And they also have 163 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: their privates covered, so it's sort of the offense. Yeah, 164 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: I was flustered. I said, whatever came to my mind. Hey, 165 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: it's okay. Another guy reached out and said he was 166 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: always late, and at first it's under promising my dad. 167 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: We all get mad at each other all the time, 168 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: like you know, there's always somebody. We're all late, but 169 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: there's always somebody who's the latest, you know. Okay, I 170 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: guess this was going somewhere, but she told her one 171 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: and then my sister showed up at like or something 172 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: like that, which is already and half late. You know 173 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: what was this guy talking about it? We tried to 174 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: move the conversation along, is to switch gears, if that's 175 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: okay with you. I have two really great stories on 176 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: my sister that I did think of, but we can. 177 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh god, okay. You might be thinking, well, what's wrong 178 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: with that guy? That seems like a pretty good response 179 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: to your prompt. But I have to tell you something. 180 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: We know this guy and then he's our biggest fan. Actually, 181 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: let me clarify, he's kind of our only fan, and 182 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: so he always responds to stuff. He's at the front 183 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: rover shows. He's the first one in our d M. 184 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: One time I posted about a vacancy in my apartment 185 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: complex and he responded to that saying he was interested it, 186 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: but that he wasn't really even looking for an apartment. 187 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: So at a certain point, it's like, buddy, back off. 188 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, do you guys have any advice? How 189 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: do you tell your fan that you need a little 190 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: bit of space? But you know, we didn't want to 191 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: be rude, so we let him keep talking. Okay, So 192 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: just the one of the one of the really legendary 193 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: ones is uh, she wants tried to throw a surprise 194 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: party for her husband, and so she told all these 195 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: people just kept going on. So my mom passed away 196 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: by eight years ago. That was it. We had to 197 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: pull the blood. We appreciate you talking to us in 198 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: all of the stories you had, Anna, I'm not a 199 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: mean person, but I didn't appreciate all the stories he had. 200 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: I know things looked grim. We hadn't found the right 201 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: people for our Zoom group. And Kyle, she seemed to 202 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: take it personally. I mean, one of her biggest fears 203 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: and I shouldn't be telling you this is throwing a 204 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: party and no one shows up, or even worse, the 205 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: wrong people show up and then you're stuck talking to them. No. 206 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: Plus Kyle's very very sensitive. Her older brother introduced her 207 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: to sad music at a very young age. All sorts 208 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: of sad music, sad bossanova, sad jazz, sad blues, you 209 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: get it. Well, anyway, she got lost in her emotions, 210 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. We lost contact for months. 211 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: Fall came and went, the leaves changed colors. Next thing 212 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, it was the holidays. Here's the thing that 213 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: post we made. It didn't just go unnoticed. The calls 214 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: kept coming in. Next thing you know. I was doing 215 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: the screenings myself, just to keep the dream of the 216 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: investigation going. I mean, we set out to do something great. 217 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: You can't just walk away from that. And eventually I 218 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: had gathered enough people for our Zoom group. These people, 219 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: they were amazing. Kyle would love them. I just knew 220 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: she would. I gave her a call. I had no 221 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: idea what states she would be in, but it was 222 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: worse than I thought. Hey suicide, Hey Kyler, are you okay? 223 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: What are you doing? I'm just cleaning out my nose 224 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: ring met his murder? Um? Okay, um, anyway, do you 225 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: remember that thing that we were working on. I tried 226 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: to forgid I could okay, okay, Um, Well look I've 227 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: got some really juicy bites. I'll be right there. After 228 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: a tough couple of months, I was happy to hear 229 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: from Anna. This was great news. Yes, months had gone by, 230 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: the leaves had changed colors, and it was already the holidays. 231 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: But I guess you could say then I found my 232 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: smile again. I know things are getting really good, but 233 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: we have to take a break for some ads, and 234 00:16:50,560 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: the ad break is over. Together, we contacted the but 235 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: who reached out to us, and soon we had our 236 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Zoom group. We arranged it for three pm on some 237 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: unremarkable Thursday. We told people, don't be late. Next thing 238 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: we knew. The day came. I just wanted to say 239 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: thank you for being here for our late people conference. 240 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: Everyone took turns introducing themselves. Hey, I'm Calin can you 241 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: hear me? Okay, um, Hello, my name is Sarah, I'm Dylan. Hello, 242 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm Chris, and I'm late. Yeah, we know that's why 243 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: you're here anyway. Chris had more to say, Um, the 244 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: latest I think I've ever been. Um, well, one time 245 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: I just didn't show up. Wow, that was shocking. That's shocking. 246 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: We moved on to the next person. Hi, I'm Heather 247 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: once or twice, I've I've pulled Chris. Can we not 248 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: call it that? Maybe? Okay? That was kind of funky, 249 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: but we had to keep going. Okay, Hi, can you 250 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: hear me? Okay, my name's Hannah. Um and the latest 251 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: I've ever been is I would say several hours. I 252 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: personally don't consider not showing up at all late. I 253 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: consider that a cancelation. Um. I hope that's okay, Chris. 254 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone is attacking This was absolute chaos. Okay, 255 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: So going forward, can we just, out of respect for Chris, 256 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: let's refrain from calling it pulling a Chris? Poor guy? Well, 257 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: back to the drawing board. We had to come up 258 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: with some new rules. Just so Chris feels comfortable, UM, 259 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: no calling and pulling a Chris. And then I guess, um, 260 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: if just to be polite, maybe don't even reference Chris. Um, 261 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: just so he feels comfortable. If it's easier, I would 262 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: recommend just pretend he's not there. Okay, that also doesn't 263 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: really feel very good. This is exactly how zooms can 264 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: be messy. People pitted against each other, brother against brother, 265 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: absolute chaos. We had to set some ground rules and 266 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: then begin your answer with the phrase and just to 267 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: pivot off that last point. So just when you start, 268 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: you go and just to pivot off that last point, 269 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: and then you answer the question. But we didn't want 270 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: to be milled. I mean, we weren't complete tyrants. Um. 271 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: If you kind of want to have fun with that, 272 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: you feel free to say and just to jump off 273 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: that last point um. And I guess alternately you can 274 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: also say and just to pop off that last point. 275 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: Feel free to use any one of those three, but 276 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: just make sure that you land on point. That's kind 277 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: of um, that is important. And so discussion began. The 278 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: prompt was what is the reason you're late? Kyle? And 279 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: I went first, just to reset the tone, just to 280 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: pop cop off that last point. Uh. I I don't 281 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: really have a reason because I'm typically five to ten 282 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: minutes uh early. Just to pivot off that last point, 283 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: I too, am um not really late, and just to 284 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: jump off that point. Uh. I'm I like to set 285 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: people's expectations for how on time I'm gonna be because 286 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: one day someone's gonna lie to me about the time 287 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: and I'll show up right on time or even a 288 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: few minutes early, and It's such a gift to them. 289 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: This was finally working. Just to jump off that last point. 290 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: I think my cycle of lateness started in childhood because 291 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: I had a mom who was always late. But then 292 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: something happened again. We noticed it as Anna was finishing up. 293 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Great point. I go, wow, but it doesn't really speak 294 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: to me. Just to jump off that last point before 295 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: we move on to the next point. Um, someone did 296 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: just show up and it is three. My name's Daniel. 297 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: Y'all caught me eating cold chicken out of my refrigerator 298 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: because I've been in queue for fifteen minutes and I 299 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: was fifteen minutes late because I was running. Okay, what 300 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: was with these people? This guy showed up twenty eight 301 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: minutes late to a zoom eating cold chicken. That was 302 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: not an excuse. It was a dead end. How are 303 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: we supposed to apply cold chicken to a global phenomenon? 304 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: We decided to move on next. Kyle presented the group 305 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: with a really cool quote. Just to get everybody's creative 306 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: juices flowing. She asked for her thoughts. The world is 307 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: and forever late for me. Now, that was a very 308 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 1: interesting quote, Kyle, Where did you hear that quote? By 309 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: the way, Um, we'll talk about it later. We were 310 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: excited to hear everybody's responses, and just to pop off 311 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: that that quote, uh doesn't mean anything to me, okay, 312 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: And just to jump off that point, I feel similarly 313 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: in that I didn't say that quote, and so why 314 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: would I know what it means if I'm not the 315 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: one who said so? Thank you? M hmm. Kyle's special 316 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: quote didn't really seem to be landing that well. But 317 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: maybe someone else would have a better opinion. I mean, 318 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: we've all been there, different strokes, different folks, you get um, 319 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: just to pivot off that that quote doesn't inspire intellectual 320 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: agreement in me, now, I'm sorry. I just have to 321 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: ask again, where did you hear this quote? H it 322 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: was a friend you don't know himber in like the store. 323 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: And just to pivot off that point for me, I 324 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: think the quote is confusing, Just to pivot off that 325 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: last point, it means so little to me. I'm I'm, I'm, 326 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm honestly having trouble remembering what the quote I honestly, 327 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: I think I might have seen it on a sign 328 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: or on billboard or in a movie, or maybe it 329 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: was a quote in my dreams. I honestly might have 330 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: just made it up. Look, I'm really sorry, I really 331 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: messed this one up. Um. Okay, well, it seems like 332 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't like a quote. Hey, it's okay. 333 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: This is our first investigation. You can't win them all. 334 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll do a blooper reel and this 335 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: will definitely be a part of that. I do love 336 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: blooper reels, like the Mr. Mom one. Yeah, Kyle, like 337 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: the Mr. Mom one. I tried not to panic in 338 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: front of Kyle. But we were looking for something more substantial, 339 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: something that would move the investigation along. It. Then Chris 340 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: said the exact type of thing that we were looking for. Um, 341 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: And just to hop off that last point, Um, I 342 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: think I have a bad grasp on how long the 343 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: steps to take to accomplish tasks. So I think about, 344 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: so I need to go somewhere and it takes fifteen 345 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: minutes to drive there. That I'm like, as long as 346 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: I leave seventeen minutes before then, I'll get there on time. 347 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: Bank we could work with that. Chris said that the 348 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: reason why he was late is because he constantly underestimated 349 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: how long stuff took. This was a concrete and scientific reason. 350 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: Then the thing about a concrete and scientific reason is 351 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: that we could observe it. Maybe it wasn't about looking 352 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: at a variety of reasons why people really, Maybe it 353 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: was about finding one reason and studying that closely. We 354 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: asked to everyone to leave and head Chris stick around 355 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: to hatch the next phase of our plan, observing the 356 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: late person in action. Chris, Uh, you're creating quite a 357 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: stir um. If you could, uh stay on the zoom 358 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: and we could talk to you, but everyone else you 359 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: can leave. We wondered if we could tag along on 360 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: his next outing. You see, we were going to turn 361 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Chris into a case study to observe what goes on 362 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: before he's supposed to be somewhere. Yeah, is there? Do 363 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: you have an event or you have to be on 364 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: time for something coming up soon? Um, I'm supposed to 365 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: have like a socially distant um get together with my 366 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: friend Mia tomorrow. What better way to investigate someone's lateness 367 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: than by watching them get ready to be late? Kyle, 368 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: You're brilliant and now in ad break. The ad break 369 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: is over. We showed up at Chris's house the next day. 370 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: It was a sunny and warm afternoon, and we were 371 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: feeling really excited, the kind of feeling you have before 372 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: opening up a really big gift from your auntie and 373 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: you know it's going to be good. She doesn't always come, 374 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: but she always brings the best gifts. I Hi, Hello, 375 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: So can you just really quickly introduce herself for us. Hi, 376 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: my name is Chris, and I'm a late person. This 377 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: guy had just seemed okay on zoom, but in person 378 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: that was another story. He seemed awesome, and not that 379 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: it was about this, but he was absolutely gorgeous. He 380 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: had the kind of big brown eyes that you could 381 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: really get lost in. And his body well, let's just 382 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: say that his was happy to be there. Let's leave 383 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: it at that. This is really nice. This is really nice. 384 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: And what is that thing right there. It's like a 385 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: little vacuum. It's like a little laundry bag on a tree. 386 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: It was a hummingbird feeder. But that's a story for 387 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: another time. Anyway, one thing was for certain. I loved 388 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: Kyle's curiosity. Yes, I'm supposed to go meet me at 389 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: and you've been cleared to join us. Okay, okay, um. 390 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: So it's a little after two now, and I don't 391 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: really have anything planned. Yeah, probably going to clean my 392 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: room a little bit. Okay, Okay. Chris had told us 393 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: he's late because he doesn't know how to manage his time. 394 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: So we decided to sit right outside of his bedroom 395 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: window and watch this mismanagement happen in real time, so 396 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: they will be okay, here, are you comfortable with this? Kay? 397 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: Kind of just act like we're not here. We settled 398 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: in sitting right below his bedroom window, just a slab 399 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: of concrete next to some stairs, fenced off area, light breeze, 400 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: a couple of butterflies, standard stuff. So he's a little 401 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: over an hour until he has to be there, and 402 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: he is touching stuff in his room. He is now 403 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: looks like picked up a bag of his toilet trees 404 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: and he is yeah, he's going to the bathroom. I think, oh, 405 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: because we have to put something in the bathroom, not 406 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: use the bathroom. Yeah, he popped out. Oh m hm. 407 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean he mainly walked in and out of the bathroom. 408 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: It got boring pretty quick. You don't watch the video 409 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: on my phone? Okay, uh, I really like that damn 410 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: Daniel video. Um let's see no, Okay, Oh, here I 411 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: got it right here, Daniel, Daniel, have you guys seen 412 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: this thing? Kyle can't get enough? Anyway, we watched it 413 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: a few times in a row, and then we noticed 414 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: something city. He's come outside. He's sitting on the bench 415 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: kind of eating a tangerin. Chris, who until this point 416 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: was just sitting down, standing up or going to the bathroom, 417 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: had moved outside. He looks really relaxed, which is fine, 418 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: but not at when you have a standing date at 419 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: It was weird. He was eating a tangerine with his 420 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: eyes closed. He looked incredibly zet. What was going on 421 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: with this guy? I will tell you this, and just 422 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: no disrespect or like no judgment, but the kind of 423 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: relaxed that he is to me, I wouldn't do that. 424 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: That's a that's a maybe two of activity. I tried 425 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: to understand where he was coming from. I guess it 426 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: does kind of make you think, like the fast pace 427 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: of the city or something like, maybe we should take 428 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: peace where we can get it. This was ridiculous. He 429 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: was definitely going to be late to meet his friend Mia. 430 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: We didn't know Mia. We didn't want her to be sad. 431 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: Plus it was becoming pretty evident that our frustration with 432 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: Chris was really starting to come out, and it didn't 433 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: seem fair. We were there to investigate, not to tell 434 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: someone how they were supposed to live their life. We 435 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: decided to leave quietly, not alearning Chris, in the interests 436 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: of remaining non partial. Continue on Stadium Way for one mile. 437 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: We were making good time and it was a smooth ride. Okay, 438 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: so according to this, I do think, okay, we'll get 439 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: their very five. We got there five minutes early, which 440 00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: to me is right on time. The park was really cute, small, unpretentious, 441 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: with long picnic tables that would be good for one 442 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: of two scenarios, either a pot luck with all your 443 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: extended family members or loitering with your badass teenage friends 444 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: up to no good. He spotted Chris's friend Mia right away. 445 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I do think it's her. Yeah. 446 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if my mind was playing tricks on me, 447 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: but she looked sad, really sad. She just kind of 448 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: looked like lost. Look at all these other people, they're 449 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: all ye, they're they're kind of like playing with their 450 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: dogs and laughing. Those two guys are kind of like 451 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: having the time of their lives with their color and 452 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: then she's just good, just like standing there. Yeah it honestly, 453 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: I do want to help. We went out to meet her. Hi, 454 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: sick you meet. She seemed awesome, the kind of girl 455 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: you want to have a girl's night with. She just 456 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: had this look about her like she could be your 457 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: maid of honor. And she do a damn good job 458 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: plan every detail meticulously, right down to the place cards. 459 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: But next thing you know, she's at the center of 460 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: the dance floor looking fly as hell. Now you get 461 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: the picture. Back to our investigation. Hi, I'm mia Um, 462 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for my friend Chris to arrive here at 463 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: the park we were supposed to get together at. We 464 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 1: asked me if Chris had briefed her. You feel doing 465 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: on that a little bit? Um, not so much? Okay, Yeah, 466 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: that's okay. UM, So we're basically all you really need 467 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: to know is that we're just we We were following 468 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: him for the last um hours he was getting ready 469 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: to meet you, and then um, we actually left her 470 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: early because we wanted to be on We wanted to 471 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: be on time yet, so we were actually I don't 472 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: want to sound weird, but we were watching you from 473 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: a car, and I think you both thought you were 474 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: kind of sad waiting for Christ. Uh, No, I would 475 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was sad. No, was she trying 476 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: to hide something? Okay? But kind of? I guess on 477 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: a scale, yeah, maybe on a scale of super you know, 478 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: not said at all and very very sad, where would 479 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: you kind of where would you sit? Pretty low on 480 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: the scale, pretty low. I think she was trying to 481 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: hide her pain. Me and Kyle we know pain when 482 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: we see it. Um maybe like okay, okay, here's what 483 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: I here's with him? Okay, let's yeah, on a scale 484 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: of I am sad too, I feel so I just 485 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: want to take out six hundred dollars out of my 486 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: bank account. You get something nice for myself. I feel 487 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: that good. Yeah, that's how good I feel. I feel 488 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: it's so good. It's oh my god. I want to 489 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: buy a random stranger a couple of coffee. Yeah, it's good, 490 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: it's a good. Yeah. Exactly are you walking by? I 491 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: don't even know you, but here's a cup of coffee 492 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: and it's on me. And because I didn't touch I 493 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: didn't touch it, just COVID. But on that scale, where 494 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: would you kind of you'd say more towards said right, yeah, 495 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't love I don't love waiting, 496 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: so bingo. At three three pm, the man of the 497 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: hour showed up. All right, we asked him to explain himself. Yeah, 498 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: we said, who the hell do you think you are? Kyle? Sorry, 499 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: I just love this investigation stuff. I'm just happy to 500 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: see you smile again. Yeah. Yeah, I texted me and 501 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: I said I would be about five to ten minutes later, okay, 502 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: and then you are thirteen minutes late, right okay? Oh yeah, pal, 503 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: We'll just wait till you hear what Mia has to say. Okay. 504 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: So I think what would be great to do next 505 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: is if we got a kind of mediation, if it's 506 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: okay with you, guys, we had studied and come to 507 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: understand the why. Now it came down to the so 508 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: what we wanted to show Chris how his lateness directly 509 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: impacted someone. I know we were trying to not interfere, 510 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: but who knows, maybe we could make a difference. Um 511 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: And normally we would set at a table to do 512 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: something like this, but obviously because of COVID, and maybe 513 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 1: we should just stand where apart far apart. We told 514 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: him he should count his blessings because he didn't have 515 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: to see how sad Bea looked because you weren't here 516 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: to kind of see how sad Mia looked when we 517 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: pulled up up. Um and I know this is this 518 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: is a podcast, but um, maybe we'll be helpful if 519 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: I just sort of showed you what she kind of 520 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: looked like. Um in in you can just have a look, 521 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: and then you have a look and tell us if 522 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: that kind of what you feel, pretending it's miya. Of 523 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: course I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I mean you're gonna 524 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: do I know you guys can't see my impression of 525 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: Mia right there, but let me tell you what I 526 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: was doing. I was doing my best, Kyle. Let me 527 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: tell them. Kyle hung her head incredibly low and slumped 528 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: her shoulders. She was kicking rocks and basically started convulsive. 529 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm now Lauren Michaels, but this was a 530 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:19,479 Speaker 1: really good impression of pain. Chris didn't get it. She's 531 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: living in a really weird way. Whatever, Chris, I don't 532 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: think I was moving quite like that. Even I don't 533 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: think you call off your hounds. Kyle is not the 534 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: one who's on trial here, we decided to move on. Honestly, 535 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: we just want to give you the opportunity to kind 536 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: of say how this makes you feel anything. You can 537 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: say anything platform now, Yeah, because I really do think 538 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: that as the person who's always waiting for the late person, 539 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: you don't really get much of a it's the It's 540 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: like the focus is always on them being late and 541 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: why they're late and so and so forth, and maybe 542 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's your time to talk and say whatever it 543 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: is that you want to say and whatever that inspires 544 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: for you. You know what I mean is that it's 545 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: so good and we're here for you. Yeah, we just 546 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: want to hear you so well. Actually I don't. I 547 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm usually the person who's waiting. I 548 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I'm usually late. I'm I'm 549 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: the person who's usually late. What what Yeah, if we 550 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: were to meet at a restaurant, um, say, Lemon Poppy 551 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: Kitchen or something, Um, yeah, she tends to be a 552 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: little bit behind. And I understand that I'm a little 553 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: late and she's a little late some time, and I 554 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: feel like they offset each other and and we have 555 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: an understanding. Needless to say, the meeting ended abruptly. Yeah, 556 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: you guys can hang out, and um, thanks for your time. 557 00:39:50,480 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: I guess, m this wasn't the conclusion that we had 558 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: set out to find. The math just didn't add up. 559 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: We tried to show compassion to the participant of our 560 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: case study, but it seemed like he had left us 561 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: for dead. And I was worried about Kyle because she 562 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: had come into the investigation looking to find a concrete answer. Instead, 563 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: she was walking away shoulders heavy under the weight of 564 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: even more questions. We obviously needed to talk more, so 565 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: we headed back to the beach once more. Y Hey, hi, 566 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for meeting me back here. Yeah, so, um, 567 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: what did you think about what happened? Ah? I guess 568 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: they're everywhere, these people, these great people, and I don't 569 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: know if there's anything we can do about it. Frankly, honestly, 570 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm struggling to understand what the lesson and all of 571 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: this is. It's like these people are everywhere, they're among us. 572 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,439 Speaker 1: We don't even know who they are. They just seem 573 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: to reveal themselves, and someone who you think is waiting 574 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: for a late person it turns out to be the 575 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: late person. I have so many questions, Kyle. I just 576 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: want to say that I think your curiosity about the 577 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: world is one of the Can you look right at me, 578 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking I'm looking at you, Okay. Your curiosity about 579 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: the world is one of the things I love the 580 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: most about you. And so at the end of this investigation, 581 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: we act shually found ourselves at the beginning of a journey, 582 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,720 Speaker 1: and this would be a journey to hunt down answers 583 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: to Kyle's many questions and eventually other people's questions, maybe 584 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: even your question. Where you see, my friend, The world 585 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: is full of curiosity, and we are intent on finding 586 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: answers because we have the time. M hmm. Truth Hounds 587 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 588 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 589 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.