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Speaker 1: Least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 2: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And it

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Speaker 2: is time for the Fantasy Football Focus. And I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people were drafting either this weekend or

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Speaker 2: next weekend. Matt, so I thought it'd be a good

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Speaker 2: time for the people who are drafting this weekend. Let's

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Speaker 2: do some some little updates here on on some things

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Speaker 2: just reading here on fantasypros dot com, some news and

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Speaker 2: notes here. This coming out of Las Vegas, and according

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Speaker 2: to Vince deal or Anthony galivez Our Gallop Galli Galazi,

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Speaker 2: he says that Hunter Renfro has been quote unquote impressive

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Speaker 2: in training camp this year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to use the media. It's a real

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Speaker 3: life dictionary here.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think that means someone give us a draft pick

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Speaker 3: for Renfro because he's really good. Sending that out in

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Speaker 3: the stratosphere. And I'm not saying he's not really good.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand at all why they don't use him more.

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Speaker 3: But I think they would like to trade him because

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Speaker 3: he's a pretty big cap hit and they admirers and

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Speaker 3: Adams that I think they'd like some good buzz to

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Speaker 3: take them off his hands, take them off their hands,

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Speaker 3: and somebody should he's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think that one of these teams that

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Speaker 2: is hurting a wide receiver. You know, if you're the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: for example, you've paid all this money to all these

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Speaker 2: other guys, why wouldn't you go get Hunter renfro He

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Speaker 2: might lead that team in receptions. He would lead that

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Speaker 2: team in receptions, I have no doubt about it, better

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Speaker 2: than Juju. Yeah. Yeah, but they gave Juju money and

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Speaker 2: they basically do the same thing. They're both slot guys.

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Speaker 2: And then they gave Parker more money. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand. But that teams doing.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick the GM once again boiling Bill Belichick, the

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Speaker 2: head coach. They need to have more meetings together.

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Speaker 3: I forget when I heard this out of them somewhere

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Speaker 3: on a podcast, and they were just joking. They said

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Speaker 3: they made this analogy. And I don't play Madden, but

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Speaker 3: they said Belichick is just getting bored with the league

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Speaker 3: and is playing on like master level or whatever. And

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Speaker 3: he's just gonna keep drafting defensive players and see if

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Speaker 3: he can just win by out scheming people with eighteen

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Speaker 3: stars on defense and nothing on offense, and see if

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Speaker 3: you go win that way. Who are the stars on defense?

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Speaker 3: The stars is a big word, but I think it's

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Speaker 3: the deepest defense in the league. I mean, they have

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Speaker 3: all these different dudes with a million skill sets. I

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Speaker 3: love their defense, but gett a playmaker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do have to score something. Yes, looks like

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Speaker 2: Kyle Phillips could miss up the six weeks with an

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Speaker 2: MCL injury. That matters to that team absolutely. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that it matters for fantasy, right, but he could

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Speaker 2: have been a guy that you know, had a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a breakout this year, Traylon Burks. He's got

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Speaker 2: the LCL injury. Uh, you know, can't all just be

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Speaker 3: Hopkins worries the guy To me too, I've heard no

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Speaker 3: good buzz and I'm not picking on the guy, but

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Speaker 3: I mean his advanced metrics for separation were the worst

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Speaker 3: of his career, and they were never good to begin with. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and this isn't something that's a secret. He got suspended

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Speaker 3: for pe ds. You know, like that's what people at

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Speaker 3: the end of their career do to stick around, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that's a really when an old guy gets busted

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Speaker 3: for peds, I go, I often think to myself, he's

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Speaker 3: got nothing to lose, and it's always doing.

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Speaker 2: He knows he's losing his steps, so he's trying to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and maybe not, you know, I mean that's

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Speaker 3: I'm not attacking the person, but that I remember, like

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Speaker 3: Antonio Gates got one late in his career. It was

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Speaker 3: like that makes sense because he runs like me. Now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about this news out of out of La

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Speaker 2: Kieran Williams could be the rams preferred pass catching back.

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Speaker 3: I guess that makes sense. I thought Acre would be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I mean they Kieran Williams missed the

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Speaker 3: There, a little bit of buzz, yeah, and people love

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Speaker 3: him like he was like a team aptain. The leader

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Speaker 3: receptions on that team is couple times a thousand, probably

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Speaker 3: Higbee second, which is like the most boring pick ever,

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Speaker 3: but could be a solid fantasy tight end.

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Speaker 2: And then who also gonna catch the ball? Yeah? If

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Speaker 2: Kieran Williams catches fifty passes this year, yeah right, he

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Speaker 2: should be rostered.

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Speaker 3: He should be rostered.

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Speaker 2: Because then he's probably the handcuff as well. He probably is,

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Speaker 2: because I don't know who else they have behind cam Akers,

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Speaker 2: and let's be honest, cam Akers, there's an injury history there.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Plus that line's not great, and you know

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Speaker 3: you know you're in Atlanta and I'm in Pittsburgh. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what site you're looking at for information, but

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Speaker 3: I wanted to throw one name out along these lines too,

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Speaker 3: And actually Syracuse boy Tim Benz did it yesterday and

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Speaker 3: I did some more research. But Sean Tucker, the rookie

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Speaker 3: running back, the undrafted dude who only was undrafted because

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Speaker 3: of medical stuff. He might be the number one in

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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay right now. He's pushing Rashawn White heavy, Like

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Speaker 3: I didn't see that coming. But he was a good

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Speaker 3: college back. So don't forget about Sean Tucker. I know

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Speaker 3: it's a similar situation, bad offense. He doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one team that the same thing with like

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Speaker 2: Trey Palmer down there. There are going to be opportunities

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay is not very good and a lot of

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Speaker 2: their guys are either old or have never done anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's almost like the Rams second receiver position.

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Speaker 3: Maybe nobody steps up, but maybe Puka Nakua looks like

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Speaker 2: This news out of LA with the Chargers, it said

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Speaker 2: that it says Josh Palmer could be the early season

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Speaker 2: favorite as Los Angeles' third receiver. Well, everybody's assumed it's

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Speaker 2: going to be Quentin Johnston, but you know, Palmer's looks

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Speaker 3: Surprises me a little because a lot of the buzz

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Speaker 3: with Palmer's progress. But that's not the only reason they

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Speaker 3: would have drafted Johnston because I don't think Allan will

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Speaker 3: be a Charger next year, and Mike Williams is an

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Speaker 2: I mean, Josh Palmer could be could be there.

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Speaker 3: Dan Moore, Yeah, that's what about says he probably just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is allowed. You're allowed to do that, allowed

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Speaker 2: for sure. Also in La Mike Williams has been getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of love in fantasy circles. Yeah, it says Keenan.

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Speaker 2: Allen is serving as the focal point again in the

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Speaker 3: You talk about an old man game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's that old guys you don't want to

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Speaker 2: play and pick up basketball because he's he just he

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Speaker 2: You're like, how did he do that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then drags himself down the other end of

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Speaker 3: he's gonna go away slow and we didn't see much

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Speaker 3: of it. I saw very little of Williams and Allen

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Speaker 3: But he's clearly their number one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's Herbert, that's his woobie. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin is from Adam Schefter, uncertain to play in

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Speaker 2: week one. That's a turf toe injury that that can linger.

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Speaker 3: I say, I hate hearing that's a toe that almost

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Speaker 3: rather it was a knee or of course, anything in

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Speaker 3: your upper body. I just think of like Jack Lambert

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Speaker 3: ending his career toes for a receiver is bad.

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Speaker 2: Very bad. Yeah. Same thing with Traylan Burks. It's unclear

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Speaker 2: if he'll be available for Week one. You bump both

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Speaker 2: those guys down a little bit on your draft board.

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Speaker 3: The thing is like, here's my prediction on mclaur and

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Speaker 3: I hope it's not true because I'm the biggest McLaurin support.

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Speaker 3: You'll find he'll play week one and it'll linger to

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Speaker 3: week eight, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: and all the fantasy people will start him. Oh, mclaurin's

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Speaker 3: out of the woods. He's good. Then we'll catch four

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Speaker 3: balls for fifty yards and Dotson will be the leading

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Speaker 3: targeted kidder by week two or three, and McLaurin will

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Speaker 3: be not himself for a while. You know, that's just

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Speaker 3: how toes work with receivers.

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Speaker 2: So are you bumping Dotson up?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: He also looked great the other day. I thought I

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Speaker 3: I don't think al thinks no.

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Speaker 2: I think he's very very confident, especially for.

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Speaker 3: Fantasy reasons, like he's good enough for me not to

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Speaker 3: worry about the quarterback there. Yeah, bus Versett's hanging around.

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Speaker 3: What is what is Burkes's injury?

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Speaker 2: Is? It's an LCL sprain? Yeah, okay, okay, so that's

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Speaker 2: again he's out. Kyle Phillips also injured. I'm not drafting

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Speaker 2: Chris Moore or neck Nick Westbrook, I ken A. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do. I don't want anything to

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Speaker 3: I like Chick still. I think all this helps Chick.

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Speaker 3: I would nothing to do with Hopkins. I haven't from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't. I don't think they're going

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Speaker 3: I and honestly, I think Willis or Levis will be

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy carded off yesterday this one sounds bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's the guy. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy. No,

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how you can trust him to

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Speaker 2: draft him, especially where he was going for his adp

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Speaker 2: here in the in the week's leading up to this,

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Speaker 2: would you rather have something?

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Speaker 3: I mean that all I saw was a blurb on

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Speaker 3: Judy that he's expected to miss a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and what I took from that is a

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Speaker 3: that might bump up more than anybody those Mims, just

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Speaker 3: because we know Peyton's power in that that team, you

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Speaker 3: know that franchise. The first draft pick Sean Payton made

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Speaker 3: is a Bronco was for Marvin Mims. And uh Patrick's out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's done, he's retired. Yeah, all these all these

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Speaker 2: none of them are working out.

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Speaker 3: So as looked at their cap space right now, they

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Speaker 3: Might not. But there as is the case with all

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Speaker 3: Last year, He's played through a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know somebody that I know is going to play,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they trade Simmons for seven round pick, but they're

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Speaker 3: I mean he'd have to.

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Speaker 3: We know that. I didn't even realize he landed there.

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Speaker 3: But that implies maybe the answers.

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Speaker 2: like Kyler Murray on their roster. If they just want

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it does. What does it accomplish

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Speaker 3: Clayton Tune. And if Clayton Tune has no clue what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't. I mean, if he's not NFL ready or

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Speaker 3: that's Ralph, but.

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Speaker 3: Right, So they probably keep three and those are the three.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know why you put McCoy out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, would anybody give.

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Speaker 2: You because you're not You're not gonna cut Tune. Somebody

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Speaker 3: He's making the team.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to carry four quarterbacks on that fifty

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Speaker 2: And if somebody says they're going to claim you, then

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Speaker 3: Whoever the fifty third guy that's not a quarterback gets

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Speaker 2: Love well this means that Dorian Thompson Robinson is now

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's clear and that's noteworthy.

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Speaker 3: So if the Cardinals so bad that you almost can't

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Speaker 2: In a nutshell, yes they are.

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Speaker 3: Like I know, I like Marku's Brown better as a

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Speaker 2: They are running that that Cleveland offense though, the same

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Speaker 2: Bill Barmwell and ESPN is back at it again now

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Speaker 2: every year for about the last I don't know however

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Speaker 3: Yes, So before I we become very critical of this,

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Speaker 3: It just went better than thought.

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Speaker 2: which helped im mentally, no kidding. Its schedule also got easier,

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Speaker 2: as six of the seven wins in the second half

437
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Speaker 2: came against teams with losing records. Well that's not their fault, no, right,

438
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Speaker 2: half the league gets losing records. Yeah. The only exception

439
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Speaker 2: was a week seventeen victory over the rival Ravens, who

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Speaker 2: were starting Tyler Huntley at quarterback. That's pro bowler. Tyler Huntley,

441
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Speaker 2: by the way, for an injured Lamar Jackson. The biggest factor, though,

442
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Speaker 2: was something that holds concern for the Steelers and another

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Speaker 2: team that is on this list.

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Speaker 3: Before real quick, let me stop you these next the

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Speaker 3: rest of this paragraph. I bolded and thought, this is

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Speaker 3: a pretty good point.

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Speaker 2: Is it though? Okay, so before the buye the Steelers

448
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Speaker 2: turned the ball over fourteen times in eight games. After

449
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Speaker 2: the buy, Picket and Company yielded five giveaways and nine games,

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Speaker 2: three of which came in a Week fourteen loss to

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. They turned the ball over twice in their

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Speaker 2: other eight games in the second half, and unsurprisingly won

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Speaker 2: seven of those eight. What we've seen now from Pickett

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Speaker 2: is that he values the football very much. You're no

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Speaker 2: longer reading this is Dale talking. This is Dale talking. Yes,

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Speaker 2: what we've seen from Kenny Pickett he threw one interception

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Speaker 2: in the entirety of training camp.

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Speaker 3: Yes. My point and why I bolded it is those

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Speaker 3: nine games they had five giveaways. I bet they turned

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Speaker 3: the ball over more than ten times next year.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, but that also suggests that the the

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Speaker 2: offense is going to be equally as impotent, which it

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Speaker 2: is not going to be agreed. So if I if

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Speaker 2: i turn the ball over a few more times, but

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Speaker 2: I'm scoring more points when I have the ball, that

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Speaker 2: balances that out. That's already said, though.

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Speaker 3: I mean what I'm saying is well, but.

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Speaker 2: That that idea, the idea that they that that they

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Speaker 2: only had five giveaways in nine games, it's going to

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Speaker 2: go up. It's gonna oh fine, it's going to go up.

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Speaker 2: But that suggests that the offense is going to stay stagnant.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to get any better, which is not

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Speaker 2: the case.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I agree with the point that it's going to

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Speaker 3: go up from a five to nine ratio, but I

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Speaker 3: think they can overcome it much much better than the

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Speaker 3: last year's team.

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Speaker 2: Could have that par He doesn't say that, but again

479
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Speaker 2: he's he's suggesting here that the offense is not going

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Speaker 2: to be any better. Agreed, Right, It's impossible to count

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Speaker 2: on any team. This is back to Bill's article. It's

482
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Speaker 2: impossible to count on any team to turn the ball

483
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Speaker 2: over as infrequently as the Steelers did during that stretch

484
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Speaker 2: over a full season. But there's something to break down here.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to test this improvement with teams from the

486
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Speaker 2: pass to see if those that improved their giveaway rates

487
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Speaker 2: so dramatically from one half to the next kept a

488
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Speaker 2: turn turnover rate relatively low the following season. There aren't

489
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Speaker 2: many comps, however, The few teams that posted similar similarly

490
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Speaker 2: drastic improvements and giveaways from one half to the next

491
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Speaker 2: either posted astronomical totals in the first half before regressing

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Speaker 2: the league average, or change quarterbacks after the season, or

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Speaker 2: in a veteran quarterback such as Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 2: or Ben Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 3: So this next sentence is another one I bolded that

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Speaker 3: I thought was a legit point.

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Speaker 2: Pickett as a rookie who held the ball before his

498
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Speaker 2: pass attempts longer than all but three other quarterbacks and

499
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Speaker 2: posted a below average sack rate. He had a four

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Speaker 2: point eight interception rate over his first five starts in

501
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Speaker 2: a point four rate afterwards. Morphing from PJ. Walker into

502
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Speaker 2: Pete Aaron Rodgers is a nifty improvement. But I don't

503
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Speaker 2: see how we can expect Pittsburgh to turn the ball

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Speaker 2: over uh more often this season. Right Again, that's all

505
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Speaker 2: well and good, but that's suggesting that Pickett's not going

506
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Speaker 2: to be any better than he was last season in

507
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Speaker 2: terms of moving and scoring the football.

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Speaker 3: And if you listen to the segment one of today's

509
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Speaker 3: The Drive, I had some stats and some talk about

510
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Speaker 3: him getting the ball out of his hands.

511
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going.

512
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Speaker 3: To hold the ball more than all but three quarterbacks

513
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Speaker 3: was gonna be.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nor do I, And I think I think the

515
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Speaker 2: offense is going to be clearly better than it was

516
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Speaker 2: last year.

517
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Speaker 3: Of course, he's not going to have a point four

518
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Speaker 3: percent interception.

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Speaker 2: Rate, but he's also not going to be at four

520
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Speaker 2: point eight percent, which was there a lot of bad

521
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Speaker 2: luck involved with that, Yes, exactly. So let's split the

522
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Speaker 2: difference and say he's at two point four percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

523
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Speaker 2: but let's say his touchdown rate goes up. His touchdown

524
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: rate was like one point nine percent last year.

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Speaker 3: It has to go up.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna go up dramatically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: What makes this so interesting is that the Steelers aren't

529
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Speaker 2: the only team that rode to turnover roller coaster in

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Speaker 2: the second half turnaround. The Lions started one and six

531
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Speaker 2: and turned the ball over eleven times in their first

532
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Speaker 2: seven games. Then suddenly they morphed into something different. Jared

533
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Speaker 2: Goffin company turned the ball over just four times in

534
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Speaker 2: the ensuing ten games, winning eight of those tens. Like

535
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Speaker 2: the Steelers, they committed two of those turnovers in a

536
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Speaker 2: single loss to the Bills on Thanksgiving. The Lions just

537
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Speaker 2: decided overnight to stop turning over the football, which immediately

538
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Speaker 2: started spurred their winning streak. Well, then, why aren't the

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Speaker 2: Lions on this list? That's what I'm gonna say is like.

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Speaker 3: You and I have talked about this a lot, that

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Speaker 3: the Lions and Steelers from AFAR had very similar seasons.

542
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Speaker 3: No team were better in the second half of the

543
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Speaker 3: season than they were in the first than those two teams,

544
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Speaker 3: and they both were the eight seats in their respective conference.

545
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Speaker 3: But frankly, sorry, Bill, what the Lions did in Michigan

546
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Speaker 3: has nothing to do with the Steelers. Like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure you're why bring them? Buck?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. To be fair, the offense improved,

549
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Speaker 2: aside from strictly protecting the ball, if we eliminate the

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Speaker 2: drives that ended in turnovers. Altogether, the Steelers jumped from

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Speaker 2: thirty first in points per game before the bye to

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Speaker 2: eleventh afterwards.

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Speaker 3: I folded that too, just because I wouldn't have mentioned it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's pretty interesting. I just found it interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Najia Harris hasn't been an efficient back, but Jayalen

556
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Speaker 2: Warrens showed it was possible to look impressive behind a

557
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Speaker 2: middling offensive line. That line should be better in twenty

558
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Speaker 2: twenty three, with Isaac Samalo joining from the Eagles and

559
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Speaker 2: rookie first rounder Roderick Jones likely to take over at

560
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Speaker 2: left tackle, although he has looked uneven during the preseason. Again,

561
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Speaker 2: he's one of these guys that you know, just assuming

562
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Speaker 2: that Roderick Jones is going to step into that yeah,

563
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: left tackle, well, it's not going to happen. But the line, again,

564
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Speaker 2: a middling offensive line. I thought the offensive line played

565
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Speaker 2: really well in the second half last year.

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Speaker 3: Middle league is the word I had a problem with

567
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Speaker 3: for the second half of the season. The line had

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Speaker 3: finished the season was not midland. Yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 3: that's my that's my birds.

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Speaker 2: Larry, Yeah, Larry the Bird, Larry the Bird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sorry, Larry.

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Speaker 2: I'm more concerned about the defense on paper, going back

573
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Speaker 2: to barn Ware, which is strange for a Steelers team

574
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Speaker 2: under Mike Toman. Cornerback is suddenly a problem as Cameron

575
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Speaker 2: Sutton and Arthur Mallett left in free agency were replaced

576
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Speaker 2: by ex vikings Patrick Peterson and Chandon Sullivan. Nobody has

577
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Speaker 2: ever ever and this is no offense to Arthur Mallett.

578
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Speaker 2: It was a great guy's been concerned about Arthur Mallett leaving.

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Speaker 2: Cameron Sutton.

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Speaker 3: I get yeah again, go back just several segments when

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the cornerbacks this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this, this is a concern.

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Speaker 3: I think I bowl almost this whole paragraph. I bowled

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Speaker 3: it as Okay, this could be problematic.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about their fitness scheme. They played man

586
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Speaker 2: at the sixth highest rate last season, and it's a

587
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Speaker 2: lot to ask second rounder Joey Porter Jr. To be

588
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Speaker 2: ready for a big role in Week one. That assumes

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Speaker 2: that the Steelers coaching staff are a bunch of dummies

590
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Speaker 2: and they're just gonna Patrick, Patrick Peterson and chand of someone.

591
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Speaker 2: You guys gonna go play man six sixth highest rate

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Speaker 2: in the league.

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Speaker 3: That was a note I made to hear as well,

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Speaker 3: because I wanted to talk like the paragraphs. I think

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Speaker 3: it's a good point. But then you're assuming that if

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Speaker 3: I think they want to play man a high percentage

597
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Speaker 3: compared to the league. But if you stink at it

598
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Speaker 3: through two games, I don't think they're going to keep

599
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Speaker 3: doing it.

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Speaker 2: What does Mike Tomlin always say, if you have red paint,

601
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Speaker 2: you paint the barn red exactly they wanted They wanted

602
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Speaker 2: Cam Sutton back, absolutely, he made detroice to sign in Detroit.

603
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Speaker 2: So they pivoted to Patrick Peterson, and then they pivoted

604
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Speaker 2: the chance and so they didn't They didn't want Arthur

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Speaker 2: Molett back. No, I don't think they released Arthur Mallett,

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 3: Think they draft Joey Porter even if they signed such, right,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

609
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Speaker 2: So you know again they'll do what they what they

610
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Speaker 2: think their defense does best. What back to Barnwell, Wat

611
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Speaker 2: should play something closer to a full season, which will

612
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Speaker 2: help the sack and pressure rate that folded in his absence.

613
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Speaker 2: Is the rest of the team around him likely to

614
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Speaker 2: be healthier? Probably not. Given the Pittsburgh had the league's

615
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Speaker 2: healthiest roster by asa games loss, you would probably rather

616
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Speaker 2: lose two or three lesser starters than be without the

617
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Speaker 2: star edge rusher for any length of time. But the

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Speaker 2: Steeler this is the one that just galled me. But

619
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Speaker 2: the Steelers don't have the sort of depth they've had

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Speaker 2: in years past. Is he out of his mind?

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Speaker 3: You're right that I had a real problem with it.

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Speaker 3: To me, that's not knowing the team.

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Speaker 2: That's not knowing the team at all.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's an interesting conversation to be had there.

625
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Speaker 3: Would they were the healthiest team in the league that

626
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Speaker 3: last year and the offense was like historically healthy. They

627
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Speaker 3: won't be the healthiest team in the league this year.

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Speaker 3: They have a one and thirty two chance. They're not

629
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Speaker 3: better at it than everybody else. But the injuries they

630
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Speaker 3: did have counts the same as two or three big ones,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you lose, You lose TJ. Watt for for seven games.

633
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Speaker 2: You know, that's like losing your star quarterback for seven games.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like I would have rather had a healthy Watt

635
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Speaker 3: and lost Ogan, Joby Jack and k Z for the year.

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Speaker 2: And they didn't KZ for a good Boy of the year, right,

637
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Speaker 2: but like three normal starters? Or would you rather lose?

638
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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: That's a conversation, you know.

640
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Speaker 3: What I mean? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is how he finishes. There's a definite tier

642
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: gap in confidence between the first three teams, and the

643
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Steelers are fourth. For me, there are definite pass to

644
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Speaker 2: them winning ten games, especially if Pickett takes a second

645
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: year leap. If the defense loses one of the big three,

646
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Speaker 2: I guess that would be making Fitzpatrick, Watt or Hayward.

647
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Speaker 2: The team struggles to stay healthy as it did and

648
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Speaker 2: the or the offense stops protecting the ball. I'm not

649
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Speaker 2: sure we can count on the Steelers to keep tomlin

650
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Speaker 2: streak going into season seventeen. I mean he's not. He's

651
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Speaker 2: kind of hedging there. Yeah, that's what I said.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's why I opened by him saying sounds

653
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Speaker 3: like my editor made me do four and I really

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Speaker 3: only want to do three.

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Speaker 2: He could have just as easily picked the Lions here

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Speaker 2: based on the criteria that he was given for the Steelers. Yes,

657
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: I think are better team than the Lions. I do too.

658
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: Lions are one weapon right now or one real receiver.

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand why nobody is looking at Baltimore

660
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Speaker 2: on lists such as this everything that you see, or

661
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Speaker 2: the Ravens are a top ten team. Really?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't one hundred cent with that either.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I just there were some things

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Speaker 2: in that I understand. He brought up some good points there,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, and we talked about the we talked about

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Speaker 2: the secondary, you know, being you know, okay, it's it's

667
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Speaker 2: a it's a thin group. But to say that they

668
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Speaker 2: don't have any depth, and to to suggest that somehow

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Speaker 2: the offense isn't going to take any stritch Like, I

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Speaker 2: get it. If if Kenny Pickett was throwing seven touchdown

671
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Speaker 2: passes in the first ten games this season or first

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Speaker 2: twelve games that he played, and they're turning the ball

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Speaker 2: over more, they're going to be in trouble. But I

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Speaker 2: don't see that happening. Even if they turn the ball

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Speaker 2: over more, Even if they if he averages a turnover

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Speaker 2: per game, where the team averages a turnover per game,

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Speaker 2: they're going to score more points than they did a

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Speaker 2: year ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think your point's really strong about they can

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Speaker 3: overcome more negative offensive plays much better than they can

681
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Speaker 3: frankly in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a much more explosive offense.

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Speaker 2: So I'd be shocked if this team regressed from nine

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Speaker 2: wins from a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they won't be the healthiest team in

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Speaker 3: the league. They won't lead the league in interceptions, but

687
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Speaker 3: they also won't have the fewest humble recoveries either.

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Speaker 2: There's that as well, you know, right, And they might

689
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Speaker 2: have more explosive plays on special teams.

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Speaker 3: And I think the field goal kicker will make more field.

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Speaker 2: Goals, right if he goes back to the league average,

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Speaker 2: just league average, that's what I mean, right, they score

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Speaker 2: more points.

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for regression stuff, all those things are

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Speaker 3: probably going to be true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they missed more field goals last year than

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Speaker 2: any team in the league. Did they really were deer

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Speaker 2: the top. I know they're number one, yeah, because the

699
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Speaker 2: guy you know, they ended up moving. I think they

700
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Speaker 2: missed eleven field goals last year.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to happen again, no way, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think more of those will.

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Speaker 3: You're scoring more.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Yep, We're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish up

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Speaker 2: the show right after this least.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI. He is Matt Williamson. This

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Speaker 2: is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN. We're

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Speaker 2: not on ESPN nine. Sent me my brain. This is

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Speaker 2: what happens when I get like five hours of sleep.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure you're working on.

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Speaker 2: My brain just goes yeah on the you know, I

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Speaker 2: go into to lockdown mode here and just start repeating

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Speaker 2: stuff that I said in the past.

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Speaker 3: But I got the bet at the three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you didn't do much better than me. But

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Speaker 2: just looking at what we've seen in the af SEE

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Speaker 2: this year, Matt, h that's far. It's clearly better than

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Speaker 2: the NFC. Oh yeah, from top to bottom. Where do

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Speaker 2: the Steelers where do you feel they fit in now?

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Speaker 2: In that hierarchy?

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Speaker 3: Okay, if we work from the bottom, I'm confident that

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Speaker 3: the Steelers are better than the Texans, the Colts, and

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Speaker 3: the Titans in the South. I'm confident they're better, Very

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Speaker 3: very confident in those three and very confident in the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Like to me, those four teams could pick in the

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Speaker 3: top five. Like I think they're bad. I think they're

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Speaker 3: the four bad teams in the AFC. I'm confident, but

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Speaker 3: not as confident that the Steelers are. Actually, I'm very

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Speaker 3: confident they're better than the Broncos. I think the Broncos

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Speaker 3: are in for a lot year. I'm pretty confident they're

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Speaker 3: better than the Patriots, so I would put them.

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Speaker 2: That's five teams at least, right the three in the

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Speaker 2: three in the South, six six okay, two in the

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Speaker 2: West and the Okay, so that's six.

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Speaker 3: So I'm quite confident they're better than six teams. I

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Speaker 3: would probably. I think the next tier, though, is a

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Speaker 3: really big one, and I'm putting the Steelers in this

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Speaker 3: next tier, but they honestly could end up in the

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Speaker 3: tier above it. I don't know if they're better or

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Speaker 3: worse than the Jags, the Chargers, the Browns, the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: the Jets, and Dolphins, which is a big tier. So

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Speaker 3: whoever is a top of that tier, they have good

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Speaker 3: football team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Basically, what you're saying

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Speaker 2: is the Chiefs, the Bills, and the Bengals are in

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Speaker 2: their own tier.

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Speaker 3: I am saying that, and it's not because the Steelers

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Speaker 3: beat the Bills, but I have some concerns about the Bills.

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Speaker 3: Their all lines pretty bad. Yeah, but the healthy Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen and I hate to bring this up, but can

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Speaker 3: you imagine the damage the hambling situation did to that

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Speaker 3: team too? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I think I can one hundred percent imagine, Matt because

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Speaker 2: I went through it with with Ryan Cha's ear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right right, you know what I mean. Just

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Speaker 3: late season things did not go the Bill's way at all,

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Speaker 3: with Allen's injury, that situation, et cetera, et cetera. I

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Speaker 3: still think they're pretty darn good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go. So the Steelers are in that tier.

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Speaker 2: There's some teams in that tier that you just can't

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Speaker 2: trust very much. Miami, the Jets, the Chargers. M That's

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Speaker 2: that's four teams in that tier. I think there were

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Speaker 2: only six or seven teams that do you trust Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: trust No, But somebody's gonna win that division, so you

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Speaker 2: take you take them out of the equation. Are you

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Speaker 2: looking about playoff spots? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I just thought you mean we're kind of power

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Speaker 3: ranking things.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean sure, But yeah, I mean when

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Speaker 2: you start looking at it in terms of playoffs, A

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Speaker 2: couple of nos somebody's gonna win this win the South,

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Speaker 2: so that's out of the equation.

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Speaker 3: I trust the Jags offense. I mean, I think Lawrence

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Speaker 3: is legit and they have a lot around them and

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be a really good offense. But in terms

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Speaker 3: of being a contender, I don't trust them. The Jets, Dolphins,

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Speaker 3: bills of that of the including the Patriots too. Their

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Speaker 3: schedule are awful, I mean, like really really difficult.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of.

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Speaker 3: Wins and losses, the AFC East might be better football teams.

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Speaker 3: I almost am certain they will be. Then their record

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Speaker 3: will be yeah, because they play and part of because

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Speaker 3: they play each other, but they played more difficult divisions

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Speaker 3: than the AFC North does.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Does a nine win

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Speaker 2: team get into the playoffs in the AFC this year?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: So it's ten wins. Ten wins gets you in for sure? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you are you? Does it come down

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Speaker 2: to tie breakers?

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Speaker 3: Probably ten wins because there's so many good teams.

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Speaker 2: But ten wins of a lot because a lot of

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Speaker 2: those teams play each other, That's.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, right, Yeah, I don't think nine gets

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Speaker 3: you in. Eleven definitely does. I would say. Tien Ben's

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Speaker 3: brought this up yesterday. He said, for the last five

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Speaker 3: years or something like, I forget what the number was,

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Speaker 3: ten wins get you in like ninety percent of the

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Speaker 3: time right in this format, and it probably holds true.

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Speaker 3: But maybe it's a tiebreaker to get you in. But

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Speaker 3: I like the Steelers chances of being better in tie

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Speaker 3: breakers than the Jets or Dolphins or Bills.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because as you mentioned when you talked about those

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Speaker 2: teams in the tier below them, those are all the

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Speaker 2: teams that they play this year, right AFC.

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Speaker 3: And even the Bengals, Bills, and Chiefs, including the Jags,

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Speaker 3: they all have to play each other, right, nobody that series?

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Speaker 2: Right, So what's the what's your feeling? Who's the win

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Speaker 2: total for the number one seed in the AFC as

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Speaker 2: we sit here in August late August? What's your guest

817
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Speaker 2: thirteen games? Twelve?

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Speaker 3: I was originally gonna say thirteen, but none of them

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Speaker 3: have an easy path. I mean, what is shock eddy

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Speaker 3: one if the Chiefs won thirteen games?

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Speaker 2: Of course not.

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Speaker 3: But we'll say one team as thirteen.

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Speaker 2: You know, okay, So if one team has thirteen, if

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Speaker 2: you can get to ten, you're not that far off

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Speaker 2: if you get to eleven, That to me is the key.

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Speaker 2: Like when I've talked to people about this, well, can

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Speaker 2: the Steelers sneak into the playoffs as the seventh seed?

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Speaker 2: I think they could be the five.

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Speaker 3: Right, I've really changed my tune on that in that

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Speaker 3: that question is brought up in some way, shape or

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Speaker 3: form all the time. Can the Steelers sneak into the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: I think that goal is too low.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're sneaking into the playoffs. I think

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Speaker 2: you're going in as the five seed, and you might

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Speaker 2: go down Let's say Jacksonville is the four. You might

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Speaker 2: get down here and be favored. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: The winning the division is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that is either based on the

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Speaker 2: schedule and looking at who Cincinnati has to play, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to predict the Steelers to win the division,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not saying, like if it paid eight to

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Speaker 3: one in Vegas, I'll put a dollar on it.

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Speaker 2: History has shown us in the AFC North well other

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Speaker 2: than Cleveland never winning it right, but Baltimore, Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh have all taken turns winning the division, and you

846
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Speaker 2: very rarely see one team win the division three years

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Speaker 2: in a row. It just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: I think Cincinnati is a really good team without many weaknesses,

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Speaker 3: but history shows you probably aren't gonna win three or

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Speaker 3: in a row.

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Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, if Burrow misses time, which

852
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Speaker 2: could happen, if Chase misses time, are they as good

853
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: as football team? I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: No. I wanted to make a quick Jets note earlier too.

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00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: I know Corey Davis isn't a tremendous football player, but

856
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the past catchers for Aaron Rodgers

857
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Speaker 3: not named Garrett Wilson are like Ramball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are all the guys that he played with last

859
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Speaker 2: year in Green Bay?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's hard and Cobb and yeah, those tight ends

861
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Speaker 3: like and their O line is not great, Like they

862
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: have like four stars on offense, two of them are

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Speaker 3: running backs, but the rest of their offensive roster isn't

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Speaker 3: very impressive.

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Speaker 2: It looks a lot like what he had in Green

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Speaker 2: Bay last year, and that wasn't good.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't good enough. Right, and they have an awful

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Speaker 3: schedule too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in front of a computer but if possible,

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Speaker 3: could you pull up the Jets schedule, because I think

872
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: like their first eight games is like laughably hard. I

873
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: mean it's like and Rogers is news, He's gonna play

874
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: a little bit this weekend, but he hasn't played with

875
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: this team and their O lines and flux. Like it

876
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't blow me away if Halloween rules around and that

877
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: team is two.

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00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: And five or whatever. Here it is. It's so it's

879
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Bills at Jets, Jets at Cowboys, Patriots at Jet, It's

880
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: Chiefs at Jets, Jets at Broncos, Eagles at Jets, Jets

881
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: at Giants, Chargers at Jets, Jets at Raiders, Jets at Bills,

882
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: Dolphins at Jets, Falcons at Jets, Texans at Jets, Gets

883
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: at Dolphins, Commanders at Jets, Jets at Browns, Jets at Patriots.

884
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: They could struggle to win nine games.

885
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: It's awful. And I think it's that first seven games

886
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: is horrible. I mean they get the Cowboys, Eagles, Chiefs,

887
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 3: let alone their division games. Yeah, I mean they could

888
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: start in a real hole.

889
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: In a game in Denver, which is never easy.

890
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: Which is never easy, right, you definitely want that game

891
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: at home. And I just think there's a lot of

892
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: turnover with the Jets. The chances of them, on an

893
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: average schedule coming out hot is less than most teams. Yeah,

894
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: and they're definitely a direct competitor for a wildcard spot

895
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: if we're gonna got on that out.

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00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's the thing that people continually overlook. All

897
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: the division is going to be so difficult. I get

898
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: that if you just if you tread water divisions right,

899
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: it's this is no different than any other year. If

900
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: you can go three and three like you did last

901
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: year in the division, or go two and four in

902
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: the division, the rest of the schedule sets up nicely. Yes,

903
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: to get a bunch of wins, I would go.

904
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Speaker 3: Fish on two and four just I think there's a

905
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: decent chance they get the five hundred or maybe even four.

906
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 3: But two and four doesn't hurtue that bad.

907
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: It really doesn't. It really doesn't. The only thing that

908
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: hurts you in its tie breakers. And you have enough

909
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: games outside of the division that are I'll never say

910
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: layups because it's the NFL, of course, but there are

911
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: games that you should win. You're going to be the

912
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: better team two and four. You probably don't win the

913
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: North four and two.

914
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: You might bourn two, you might three and three the

915
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: division win, or might be three and three in the division.

916
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I mean it was last year. Yeah, as

917
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: good as as good as the Bengals were, they went

918
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: three and three in the division.

919
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean, so last year time I thought there was

920
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: a zero point one percent chance that Seattle or Giants

921
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: would be a playoff team. So there's definitely a chance

922
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: that the teams I put below the Steelers in the

923
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: AFC one of them is better than we think. But

924
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: you gotta squint pretty hard to believe it.

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00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: Boy, I don't know who that would be.

926
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: Maybe Denver, maybe maybe, But boy, I don't think they're

927
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: rather out of pass catchers pretty quickly. Yeah, I mean

928
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: maybe the Titans. I mean, like I'm really straining.

929
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Speaker 2: I don't know who, Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

930
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: J Stroudwin's Rookie of the Year and Willie Rookie the Year.

931
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: And they get to eight wins, you know, like, is

932
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: that the best?

933
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? That still doesn't. I mean, them getting the eight

934
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: wins that might win that division, all right, but it

935
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: doesn't make you a contender, no.

936
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: Right, I mean the six teams we threw out there

937
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: below the Steelers. I'm pretty confident will remain below the Steelers.

938
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, we got to go U I have a

939
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Speaker 2: flight to catch here. So that's going to do it

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Speaker 2: for today's show. We'll be back on Monday. We'll go

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Speaker 2: five days next week. We'll be on our five day

942
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Speaker 2: schedule here for the rest of the year now. But

943
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Speaker 2: that's going to do it for today show. So we

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Speaker 2: appreciate you listening. Hopefully you can listen to this edition

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Speaker 2: of The Drive on Steelers Nation Radio from my partner

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lallie. We'll talk to you next week.