WEBVTT - From the Vault: Bathysphere, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to go into the vault for part two of

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<v Speaker 1>our exploration of William Beebe and the Bathosphere. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode originally aired March eighteen, technically not even a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago, but we're re airing the Bathosphere episodes because

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<v Speaker 1>they concerned the deep ocean and the mysteries of the deep.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've got a new fiction podcast venture launching January

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one, titled Transgenesis UM that I wrote and created

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<v Speaker 1>and worked with a whole host of people here at

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works and people from outside the organization, including Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's on the podcast as well. Oh I am, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I am. Yeah. So everyone should should tune

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<v Speaker 1>in for that. If you want to check that venture out,

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<v Speaker 1>head on over to Transgenesis dot show. That's the website. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, I think by the time you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be able to look up Transgenesis and begin

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<v Speaker 1>subscribing to it. If not, that'll be coming soon. We're

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<v Speaker 1>all so excited about that. Robert, you shouldn't sound so

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<v Speaker 1>bashful you should be shouting from the rooftops. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still early days. I'm working up to shouting. So hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>the next of all episodes, I'll do more shouting. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Transgenesis is coming also check that out. But today please

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy part two of our exploration of the atmosphere. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back with part two of our two part exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the depths of the see the History of Knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>and Exploration of the deep Sea. And this this time

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<v Speaker 1>we're really going to be focusing in on William b. B.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. We we alluded to him at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the last episode. So he was an American naturalist, explorer, author,

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<v Speaker 1>uh he of from eighteen seventy seven to nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and h he was. He was a very interesting fellow,

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<v Speaker 1>just to put it mildly. Before there was Neil de Grass,

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<v Speaker 1>Dyson or Carl Sagan or even Jacques Gusteau, there was

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<v Speaker 1>William Beebe, who some writers have called the first celebrity scientist.

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<v Speaker 1>So he traveled around and lectured, he wrote books, he recruited,

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<v Speaker 1>we received quite a bit of media coverage, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was actually in writing books. He was a good writer,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that helps. Yeah, he was a good popularizer

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<v Speaker 1>of science. He was a great science communicator before this

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<v Speaker 1>was really that much of a thing. Yeah, I often

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<v Speaker 1>think of Darwin as a great science communicator, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Beebe really took it to the next level, especially as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about in a minute, by employing all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of people to help spread the message of scientific discoveries

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<v Speaker 1>in ways that are easily digestible to the public. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he he was an ornithologist at the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Zoological Society and uh he he actually left college before

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<v Speaker 1>completing his degree in order to to to work, uh

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<v Speaker 1>for for the society. But he just he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys who just seemed to really just ascend once

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, once he hit the ground working he

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<v Speaker 1>was he would have ended up being becoming the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the Society's Department of Tropical Research. And he conducted

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<v Speaker 1>he conducted research, it's worth noting across two world wars

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<v Speaker 1>and the Great Depression, like that was the time period,

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<v Speaker 1>the Trying time period, a time when most of the

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<v Speaker 1>energy in the world seemed to be aimed at either

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<v Speaker 1>conducting warfare, surviving warfare, surviving economic depression. UH. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to successfully carry out a great deal of

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<v Speaker 1>research and UH and then communicate the Department of the

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<v Speaker 1>Tropical Researches work as well. And to do this he

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<v Speaker 1>enlisted not only scientists but also historians, writers, and artists.

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<v Speaker 1>And by this I mean he took artists with him

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<v Speaker 1>on his expedition, generating some really captivating artwork and b

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<v Speaker 1>B himself sketched the creatures that he saw in the depths.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. It's really kind of surprising, however, though, that that,

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<v Speaker 1>given that he was such a celebrity at the time, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that that we don't see him celebrated as much in

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture today. Like he's certainly again, he's remembered, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like he's forgotten and lost to history. But you

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<v Speaker 1>would just think that he would have more of a

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<v Speaker 1>like a tesla status today. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that again. Before we went to this recent

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<v Speaker 1>exhibit at the American Museum and Natural History in New

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<v Speaker 1>York about the Unseen Depths of the Ocean had some

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about BB before that. I think maybe I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit aware of him, but didn't really know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's crazy, because his life and his work was

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting. Yeah, I mean for starters, he influenced a

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<v Speaker 1>number of notable people. Um For instance, E. O. Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>who we've discussed on the show before, has has pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to William Beebe as someone who inspired his scientific career. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of interesting things about Bebe's legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>One cool one that does get mentioned sometimes is the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he was criticized during his life for hiring

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<v Speaker 1>and mentoring female researchers, which a lot of irritable sexist

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<v Speaker 1>establishment scientists of the time thought was an indication that

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<v Speaker 1>his work was not serious or was unprofessional. Uh, of

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<v Speaker 1>course they were wrong, right. BB helped give a leg

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<v Speaker 1>up to a great scientists like Joscelyn Crane, who studied,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, invertebrate ethology, so the behavior of invertebrates,

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<v Speaker 1>with a special focus on fiddler crabs, and also the

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<v Speaker 1>explorer and research scientists Gloria Hollister, who pioneered lab techniques

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<v Speaker 1>for preparing marine specimens, and she herself actually performed a

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<v Speaker 1>dives in the capsule that we're gonna be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>more in this episode of the Bathosphere, the steel ball

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<v Speaker 1>that finally took us down into the depths. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the females he employed were also artists as well. There's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a wonderful New York Times article that came out, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just last year about an exhibition of various works from

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<v Speaker 1>this period that I recommend everyone check out it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you just look for William Bbe Department of Trapical Research illustrations,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find it. And there's some just some fabulous illustrations

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<v Speaker 1>of say, the Bathosphere descending into the depths with strange

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<v Speaker 1>creatures swirling around it. Yeah, if you get a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>you should look up illustrations. Especially I would say of

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<v Speaker 1>the artist Elsa Bostelmann, who she was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>artists who accompanied his research, and she sketched and painted

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<v Speaker 1>what bb and and his companion Notice Barton saw in

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<v Speaker 1>the deep from the Bathosphere, which we're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about more later. But her work is just beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>weird and superb. It's uh, it's excellent science art. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons that will become obvious as we proceed of

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<v Speaker 1>photography or certainly film was just not an option aboard

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<v Speaker 1>the Bathosphere, so they had to depend on sketches. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And and also just you have considered the time during

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<v Speaker 1>which all this have taken place. For instance, so one

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<v Speaker 1>of his dives was actually broadcast on NBC Radio, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a testament to the popularity of his work, but

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<v Speaker 1>also just shows you the limitations of the visual technology

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Now. Of course, another great weird note

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<v Speaker 1>in pop culture is that BB's collaborator Otis Barton, who

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<v Speaker 1>was his his co pilot in the Bathisphere and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the people, I think the designer, the main designer

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bathosphere made a movie, made a movie based

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<v Speaker 1>on what they did. Yeah, Titans of the Deep. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the poster art for this film,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll try to include it on the landing page

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode, is stuff to blow your mind. It

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<v Speaker 1>creates certain expectations of the content. Yeah, I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so it's supposed to be like a documentary film,

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<v Speaker 1>right they's they made it as a documentary apparently, And

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's like BB is mentioned uh on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the poster, it's really apparently BB wasn't himself super

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the production. Yeah, I've seen it actually described

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<v Speaker 1>as more of like an action movie or an exploitation

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie. I couldn't. I couldn't find this movie, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I didn't get to watch it. Yeah I

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<v Speaker 1>would have. I was not able to find, uh, even

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<v Speaker 1>any footage from it or a trailer or what would

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<v Speaker 1>pass for a trailer. But you can definitely get a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of the vibe they were going for if you

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<v Speaker 1>just look at the poster, which of course has like

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<v Speaker 1>a vague whale shaped sea monster with this big saw

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<v Speaker 1>tooth face and then a dude with a harpoon poise

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<v Speaker 1>to hit it. It looks in composition like the much

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<v Speaker 1>later poster for the movie Journey to the Seventh Planet,

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<v Speaker 1>which is this nineteen sixty two sci fi barbecue about

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of astronauts who fly out to explore Uranus

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<v Speaker 1>and then get this they essentially end up with a

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<v Speaker 1>d intellectualized version of the plot from Solaris and the

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<v Speaker 1>movie stars, of course, John agar Ah, yes a frequent

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<v Speaker 1>a frequent name for anyone's ever plunged the depths of

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<v Speaker 1>of B movies from that era. But if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at this poster for Journey to the Seventh Planet. It's

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was actually inspired by Titans

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<v Speaker 1>of the Deep, but they look very similar to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I also found an image this was an advertisement. But

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out even Otis Barton, who accompanied William bb

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bathosphere. He was famous enough at the time

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<v Speaker 1>to appear in a camel advertisement for Camel cigarettes where

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<v Speaker 1>you see him featured there and he's saying, I smoke

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<v Speaker 1>as many camels as I like. They don't give me

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<v Speaker 1>jittery nerves. No, camels have a have a swell taste,

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<v Speaker 1>mild and yet with rich, mellow flavor. I smoked them

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<v Speaker 1>all in the Bathosphere. I don't I do not think

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<v Speaker 1>the bathosphere is a good smoking environment. Two packs per dive. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been teasing it enough. I think maybe we should

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break and then when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we should discuss the bathosphere itself. All right, thank thank alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back al right, So I will refer you to

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<v Speaker 1>an image like a photograph of the Bathosphere on the

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<v Speaker 1>landing page for this episode is stuff to blow your

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<v Speaker 1>mind dot com. But we're also going to describe it

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<v Speaker 1>for you here so no need to pull the car

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<v Speaker 1>over what have you. Depending on how you're listening to us. Okay, so,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're trying to imagine the Bathosphere, it's probably best

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<v Speaker 1>to dismiss some of your more modern and TV friendly

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<v Speaker 1>notions of exploratory submarines, because the bathosphere was less of

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<v Speaker 1>a submarine and more of just a death trap. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, would you like to get inside a bowling

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<v Speaker 1>ball and go to the bottom of the ocean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a steel ball that men climb inside and then it

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<v Speaker 1>is lowered into the ocean depths. Let's let's ask some questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this have a propeller? No? Does it have fins? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it have robotic arms? No? What does it have

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<v Speaker 1>really anything on the outside other than just a steel sphere?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, basically, it is a steel bowling ball that

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<v Speaker 1>men climb inside through what what Baby referred to just

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<v Speaker 1>as the door? And then it has even door is

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<v Speaker 1>a little misleading, Yeah, I mean it's not really a door.

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<v Speaker 1>They got in through a hole that was then bolted shut. Right. See,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sealed shut like a like an iron casket. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it has these three uh, the three portals that

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<v Speaker 1>they look out off that look kind of like stubby eyestalks. So, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>how big was the athmosphere that these two people got into? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a here's a quick quote from Baby from his

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<v Speaker 1>biography half Mile Down, which which we're gonna refer to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. If if if we read a quote quote

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<v Speaker 1>from Baby in this and we don't fully attribute it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's from half Mile Down. Baby says it was not

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<v Speaker 1>as tall as a man, measuring only four ft nine

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<v Speaker 1>inches in diameter, but its walls were everywhere an inch

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<v Speaker 1>and a quarter thick, and it weighed five thousand, four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds. A first casting had weighed twice as much,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would have been too heavy for any of

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<v Speaker 1>the winches available in Bermuda. And was jumped. Now about

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<v Speaker 1>this steel ball. If you don't have an intuitive since

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<v Speaker 1>of numbers to physical scale, I want to pause for

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<v Speaker 1>a second and dwell on how tiny this is. You

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<v Speaker 1>can buy beach balls bigger than this undersea exploration vessel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. You included a picture here on our notes

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<v Speaker 1>showing what a sixty beach ball looks like next to

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<v Speaker 1>presumably an average sized individual. I guess there is probably

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<v Speaker 1>a tall guy, but but still imagine two of him

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<v Speaker 1>inside of it. That's unbelievable. And that's bigger than the

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<v Speaker 1>bathosphere was. This was this thing was tiny. People like

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<v Speaker 1>they were crammed inside. But there was a reason it

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<v Speaker 1>had to be that small, right, Yeah, because, as William J.

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<v Speaker 1>Broad points out in his book The Universe Below, the

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<v Speaker 1>smaller the sphere, the greater strength of its walls. If

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<v Speaker 1>you had more space in there, you need thicker walls,

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<v Speaker 1>which would of course mean increasing the weight of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we run into the problem with with with

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<v Speaker 1>the winches that we've already discussed. It's almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>parallel of the problems of shielding from radiation in space,

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<v Speaker 1>right Like, you want to send up a spacecraft that

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<v Speaker 1>will protect the astronauts with really thick shielding in the walls,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've got a problem with getting so much mass

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<v Speaker 1>up into space that you know, you could have all

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<v Speaker 1>these really really thick walls. It's like a parallel to that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you you could have really really thick walls

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you're super protected from the pressure and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got enough room to move around, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>gets harder and harder to get you down into the

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<v Speaker 1>depths and back up safely if you do that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was designed by BB an American engineer Otis Barton,

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<v Speaker 1>who already mentioned, and it featured three viewing portals and

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<v Speaker 1>these were This was not glass. You couldn't just look

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<v Speaker 1>out just normal glass because it needed to withstand the pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>This was fused quartz eight inches in diameter and three

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<v Speaker 1>inches thick, and the fittings again, they look like stubby

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<v Speaker 1>eye stalks. It's like a three eyed monster. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>quartz was used because it was the quote strongest transparent

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<v Speaker 1>substance known and it transmits all wavelengths of light. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>earlier we mentioned the door that wasn't really a door.

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<v Speaker 1>What does BB say about the door. He describes it

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<v Speaker 1>as a quote round four hundred pound lid that quote

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<v Speaker 1>had to be lifted on and off by a block

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<v Speaker 1>and tackle and fitted snugly over ten large bolts around

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<v Speaker 1>the manhole. The ladder just big enough to permit the

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<v Speaker 1>passage of a slender human body. Babe was a very

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<v Speaker 1>slender guy, we should point out. I've seen pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>him and he is spind lee. Now on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's discuss some of the other attributes of physical attributes

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<v Speaker 1>of the bathosphere. It had a single external light, just

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand watts and one light and you've flipped it

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<v Speaker 1>on or off from inside. And the sphere was lowered

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<v Speaker 1>on a single steel, non twisting cable nearly an inch

0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in diameter with a breaking strain of twenty nine tons

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<v Speaker 1>or a dozen bathispheres. Okay, So they wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>real safe because, of course, if that cable breaks, you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a world a hurt. Yeah, you're you're done for,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to worry about more than just the

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<v Speaker 1>what happens if the cable breaks, So you have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about, well, what if they're stormy weather, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you mentioned there's a light on the thing, so

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<v Speaker 1>that means they got to get power down there somehow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So they had an additional cable that carried both the

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<v Speaker 1>electrical power and the telephone wires. Oh, telephone wires. So

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<v Speaker 1>they had to have some way to communicate with the service.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume they couldn't just tug on the cable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that would work. But but yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is kind of the limits of their connections

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<v Speaker 1>to the surface. They had electricity coming down and they

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<v Speaker 1>had that telephone wire. They did not have an air

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<v Speaker 1>tube coming down. No, but of course they had to breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>So the batmosphere included oxygen tanks with automatic valves. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That provided the atmosphere, and then they just had trays

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<v Speaker 1>of chemical setting out. I believe it was soda, lime,

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<v Speaker 1>and calcium chloride. Yeah. And this was to absorb moisture

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<v Speaker 1>and carbon dioxide. Yeah, because you don't just need fresh

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<v Speaker 1>air to breathe in, you need to scrub the carbon

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<v Speaker 1>dioxide that you're breathing out. Yeah. I would, I would

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<v Speaker 1>just want to drive home. How I mean, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing invention, but how dangerously crude it can it can feel.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of there was the film was it

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<v Speaker 1>The Voyagers the Explorers? Yes, where the kids build this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spaceship that sets inside a like a magic

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<v Speaker 1>force field sphere. But they just build it, right, They

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<v Speaker 1>just constructed from what they have at hand, And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's a similar vibe with the bathosphere like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just it's just so ballsy to imagine climbing in

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and the depth. I mean, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>large ball, It is a it is a steel ball. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though it holds two divers and is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a two man crew, uh BB says that the total

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<v Speaker 1>crew required to support this thing, uh, most of which

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be members on the surface. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to around twenty eight people total, so two under

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<v Speaker 1>the water above the water. All right. So let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you're William Bbe and you're like, okay, I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>steel ball to die in. Um, where where are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to put this down in the water? Well, they

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<v Speaker 1>set their side some the deep seas off the coast

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<v Speaker 1>of Bermuda, UH, specifically a circular area about eight miles

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<v Speaker 1>in diameter near non Such Island, and here the depth

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<v Speaker 1>reached about a mile. The first dive occurred in nineteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>By June eleven, nineteen thirty, they'd reached a depth of

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<v Speaker 1>dred feet or four hundred meters, and in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four they reached three thousand feet or nine hundred meters,

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<v Speaker 1>And that was, of course by far the world record.

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<v Speaker 1>That they went much lower than anybody had ever been

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<v Speaker 1>able to explore before. Yeah, they were really breaking new

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<v Speaker 1>grounds with this. Now, the bathosphere greatly improved humanity's ability

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<v Speaker 1>to explore the depths. Uh. But again it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was ultimately a risky vessel to use, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>soon replaced by safer designs, including the bath Escape, which

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<v Speaker 1>positioned a traditional bathosphere beneath a large float, and even

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<v Speaker 1>the likes of the modern deep sea channel You're famously

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<v Speaker 1>piloted by James Cameron that boasts a pilot sphere position

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the rest of the vessel. So you can think

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<v Speaker 1>of post bathosphere designs as just basically being the bathosphere

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<v Speaker 1>attached to a larger system of flotation, a submarine based submarine.

0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Basically like, let's attach this to a submarine that has power,

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<v Speaker 1>that has the ability to to to raise and lower

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<v Speaker 1>itself within the water. But the bathosphere was was just

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<v Speaker 1>the sphere, just the this uh, this steel container for

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<v Speaker 1>the humans to descend in. Having your own power really

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<v Speaker 1>does seem to make a difference, right, I Mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge difference between being in a submarine that can

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<v Speaker 1>move and just hanging in a ball on a thread. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just the psychological uh notion here, just the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that they have some if I if I get

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<v Speaker 1>tired of descending into the darkness of the deep sea,

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<v Speaker 1>then I can just I can. I can raise myself

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<v Speaker 1>out of this. I have some level of control, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not just hoping that everything is going okay up

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<v Speaker 1>there on the surface now. Of course, by virtue of

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that BB and his team went deeper than

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<v Speaker 1>anyone ever had before, he got to observe far more

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<v Speaker 1>than anyone ever had before. So I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>go into his scientific observations, and we'll do that right

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<v Speaker 1>after this break. Thank thank Alright, we're back. So William B.

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<v Speaker 1>B the modern Gilgamesh. He and his co pilot are

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<v Speaker 1>in the ball in the steel death trap, sinking down, down,

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<v Speaker 1>down into the ocean, deeper than anybody's ever gone before,

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<v Speaker 1>and looking out the portholes to see what they can see.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about what they see. What did they

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<v Speaker 1>discover through this research method? Well? BB observed and sketched

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<v Speaker 1>again because cameras of the day were largely useless given

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<v Speaker 1>the conditions of the bathosphere in its environment. But he

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<v Speaker 1>described a world quote stranger than any imagination could have conceived,

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<v Speaker 1>and he writes about it very beautifully. Oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>and he really brought the results. Between seven b B

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<v Speaker 1>and his team caught more than a hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand animals from two hundred and twenty species, many many

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<v Speaker 1>of which were new to science, so they were combining

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<v Speaker 1>different research methods at the same time. Now, before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into some of the specific creatures that he saw

0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>claim to have seen, uh, we should probably just talk

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<v Speaker 1>about his experience with darkness and light, because ultimately that

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<v Speaker 1>is the I mean that, that's kind of the defining

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<v Speaker 1>experience that he describes. Oh, exactly, so bb Right's quote,

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<v Speaker 1>in the course of the half mile down, although my

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<v Speaker 1>eyes were perfectly dark adapted, I could detect not the

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<v Speaker 1>faintest glimmer of light from seventeen hundred feet down, So,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the human eye was concerned, conditions of

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<v Speaker 1>absolute darkness existed at these deeper levels. And then he says,

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<v Speaker 1>from seventeen hundred feet down, animal light is the only

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<v Speaker 1>external source of illumination. So of course they did have

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<v Speaker 1>a light they could flip on, but they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that all the time, right, because that would

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<v Speaker 1>be affecting and changing the environment, So they didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that at always. They would try to see often just

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<v Speaker 1>what they could see in the dark that was self illuminated.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you go that far down. There actually are

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<v Speaker 1>very many bioluminescent creatures that will illuminate themselves for you

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<v Speaker 1>to see. But they'll also illuminate the water so that

0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you can see other animals around them. And BB writes quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Occasionally the head of a fish would appear conspicuously against

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<v Speaker 1>the surrounding black, illumined by some indirect source of unknown lighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Eyes especially stood out, with no definite source of light visible.

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<v Speaker 1>When teeth were thus silhouetted, I knew it was from

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<v Speaker 1>a luminous mucus which covered them. Cheek lights flashed and

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<v Speaker 1>dimmed or vanished altogether, showing some control other than the

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<v Speaker 1>usual disappearance into an opaque epidermal trench. And I should

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<v Speaker 1>mention those last quotes I provided came from a paper

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<v Speaker 1>he published in Proceedings to the National Academy of Sciences

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.119
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty two or thirty three. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 1>extremely impressed by the display of bioluminescence as as he descended,

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<v Speaker 1>so he noted the lights of fish, jellies, and various

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<v Speaker 1>animals that he couldn't really identify in passing. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was something of a revelation to him. About a third

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<v Speaker 1>of a mile down he saw something that he described

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<v Speaker 1>as a quote pyrotechnic network and was and it was

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<v Speaker 1>quote so delicate and evanescent that its abyssal form is

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<v Speaker 1>quite lost if we ever take it in our nets.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, if we were just to pull

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<v Speaker 1>this up, you know what, what would we have. We

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<v Speaker 1>would have maybe some shriveled mass, but we certainly would

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<v Speaker 1>not have this floating bioluminescent thing that I'm witnessing right now. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in the last episode, we talked about the c cucumber

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that turns to red kool aid. Here you would guests

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<v Speaker 1>turn into buyo luminescent kool aid. And then there's this,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this, this description of the abyssal rainbow cars, which

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<v Speaker 1>will come back to later on. He says, at eleven

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen o'clock, I turned the light on suddenly and saw

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<v Speaker 1>a strange quartet of fish to which I have not

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<v Speaker 1>been able to fit genus or family, shape, size, color,

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and one fin I saw clearly. But ourbistle rainbow guards

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<v Speaker 1>is as far as I dare go, you know, words

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>these saying that's as far as I dare go, and

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<v Speaker 1>classifying it and naming it quote and they may be anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but guards about four inches overall. They were slender and stiff,

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<v Speaker 1>with long, sharply pointed jaws. And it's worth noting no

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<v Speaker 1>one has ever captured a specimen quite like this, nor

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. Uh And this, this is one of the

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 1>mysteries that arises from William Beebe's observations, specimens that have

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have not been caught or even witnessed again, and we're

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>left to wonder what what did he see? Right? Did

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>he have access somehow to to seeing things no one

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>has actually seen since then? Or was he mistaken? Did

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<v Speaker 1>he think he was seeing something that he actually wasn't

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.680
<v Speaker 1>or was he making it up? I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to think he was making it up, but I

0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>guess we have to consider that as a possibility. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll we'll touch on that some of the thinking

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<v Speaker 1>on that a little later. But but one thing we

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<v Speaker 1>should go ahead and drive home here is that again,

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<v Speaker 1>the bathosphere did not have an engine on it. It

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>did not have propellers. It was a very silent affair

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 1>in a realm where where sound truly carries and can

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<v Speaker 1>have damaging effects. Especially our modern uh are, our modern

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 1>state of affairs with with with ships and sonar, but

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<v Speaker 1>even just a noisy submarine would have potentially scared away

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.680
<v Speaker 1>various species. So there is an argument to be made

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<v Speaker 1>here that the bathosphere, as it's descending rather silently and

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at times uh an incomplete darkness, would have attracted or

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<v Speaker 1>been or at least would not have have frightened away

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 1>species that would recoil from a modern exploratory submarine. That's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's a good point to keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>as we go on and discuss some more of the

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 1>things he recorded seeing. I think if you have the

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>ability while you're listening, you should look up some of

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>the art works of Elsa Bostelman. She was again one

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>of the artists who was doing sketches for for BB's team,

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 1>and so it would be great to have some of

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>those in front of your eyes while we're talking here. Now,

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.199
<v Speaker 1>another variety of fish that BB reported seeing are the

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>dragon fish. These are different than sea dragons, right quote

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>a six inch dragonfish or still Maya's past lights first

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:26.360
<v Speaker 1>visible than three seconds of searchlight for identification, then lights alone.

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>And there seemed no reason why we should not swing

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the door open and swing swim out. Now I can

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 1>think of various reasons not to do that, bab, But

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I understand that he's trying to capture his excitement here.

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>It's the deep sea version of the thing, like you know,

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the sudden desire to the call of the void, right yeah, yeah,

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>or the desire to like swerve into oncoming traffic. So

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>he was this was his guests that these were dragonfish.

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>And again we have to put ourselves in the bathmosphere

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>and imagine peering out through these tiny uh courtz lenses

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.640
<v Speaker 1>at at things just swimming by, sometimes lingering but maybe not,

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes wholly visible for a few seconds, sometimes only partially visible.

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>But he guessed that these were some variety of dragonfish. Uh.

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 1>And the particular species that he was describing was unknown

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>to science at the time, but he was familiar with

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>other species of stomias. Now he apparently reported seeing a

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>six foot dragonfish as well as a marine biologist and

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>author Richard Ellis discusses in his book Singing Whales and

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Flying Squid the discovery of marine life. So to put

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that in perspective, uh, I believe the largest known dragonfish

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>at the time was a mere fifteen inches in length. Wow.

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you look up what dragonfish look like

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>they are. It is terrifying to imagine a six foot

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>long one. It's kind of like uh. In fact, I

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 1>would compare it very much to the discovery of the

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>six ft long Cambrian predator Anomali carras right. Uh. That

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>the idea that something that creepy could get that big

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>is really disturbing. Yeah. So these these creatures were members

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>of the order Stomaformes, which also includes the viper fish,

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>which Bebe also notes on his dives. Now, in the

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>introduction uh to the novel Starfish Uh, the author Peter Watts,

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>who was also also as a marine biology background, he

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>mentions bb having reported a seven foot viper fish. Now,

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't doubt Wat's in this, but I

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 1>can't personally find a reference to this particular sighting. But

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.360
<v Speaker 1>then again, I didn't look at all of the scientific

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>papers that that baby put out over the years. But

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>but he certainly mentions viperfish in his biography and the

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>idea if you look up a picture of a viperfish, again,

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>it's very much like like the dragonfish. This, uh, this

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>sharp tooth, long, fierce, eel like creature. And to imagine

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>a seven foot version of this a swimming past you

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.239
<v Speaker 1>as you're cramped in your steel beach ball. It's just

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 1>terrifying to imagine. Well, it swims up to the window

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to say, hey, I'm here to vaush and vipe your windows.

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>What is that from? Oh, you don't remember that story

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the Viper? No? I think it was in It was

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>in that book Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. No,

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I remember the book, or at least the illustration. Yeah, well,

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>bad joke if it didn't land. Sorry, I mean no, no, no,

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a story called the Viper about a

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 1>guy who keeps calling on the phone who says like,

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I am the Viper and I'm coming, And somebody gets

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>really scared because the Viper is coming. And then finally

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>when the viper gets there, he says he's there to

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 1>vaush and vipe the windows because he's really the viper. Right, Okay, No,

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I think the joke will work for people who know

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the reference. I just didn't catch it. Jokes are always

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>better when you spend a few minutes explaining him, you know.

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's move on to another sighting that

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>BB reported that of the Great Fish, and I believe

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>we read a little bit from this one at the

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>top of the first episode. Oh yeah, yeah, So what

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>was this great fish? Well, he describes it essentially, it's

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>just this wall of flesh passing him by and the

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>ain't light, something that he guess to be about twenty

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>ft long, and it could have been a number of things.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>So he he thinks it might have been some manner

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>of whale, and it could have been It could have

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>been a sperm whale for instance, which is, as we've

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>discussed on the show in our Leviathan episode, is a

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>large creature and it can and it can dive much

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>deeper than the bathmosphere and can get much bigger than

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>correct yes, uh now, However, it's also been brought up

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>so that it could have been some kind of a

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 1>deep sea shark, because in ninetive marine biologists managed a

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>glimpse and photograph six skill sharks at a depth of

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the two thousand, four hundred and sixty ft and and

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>so Ellis suggests that it's possible that Beebe could have

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>seen this, or perhaps a deep sea shark such as

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the Greenland shark, whose range apparently includes Bermudo's waters. Okay,

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>now you know one of everybody's favorite deep sea creatures is,

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>of course the Tricksie angler fish. Oh yes, because the

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>image of the angler fish with its large, gaping mouth

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and sharp teeth, and then that that that strange bioluminescent

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>lure that hangs in front of it. I mean, it's

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>just such an amazing looking creature. And that's without even

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>getting into it's extremely bizarre reproductive methods with the tiny male.

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>The tiny male that's like a little reproductive heat seeker

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that infuses with their body. Yeah, we've discussed that on

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the show before, but he did have a run in

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>with the angler fish. Here's another quote from half mile

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>down quote. Another interesting fish on this trip was one

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>which I saw by the light of our electric beam

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>at nine feet on the way up. It was one

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of the true giant female anglerfish, a full two feet

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in length, with enormous mouth and teeth, deep and thick,

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>with a long tentacle arising from the top of its head.

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>I saw no light from this, but it was distinct

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>for a moment in the surrounding illumination. Twice its mouth

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>opened and partially shut, and then we passed out of

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>its life. Three of these weird fish have been taken

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>dead at the surface, but three years of intensive trawling

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>have given us no hint of their presence here. For

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>a few seconds, I was within ten feet of one,

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and the memory will never leave me. Yeah, I'd guess

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>in the steel ball in the deep you make a

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of memories, alright. So one of the things we've

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>discussed here is that so many many of these sightings

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>were can definitely be backed up. Many of these sightings

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>were of creatures that are known to science, and we

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>have specimens for them. But there's a mystery. Yeah, I

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>mean it is necessarily subjective reporting. Like we said, the

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>photography of the time could not capture things. So now

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>if you take a deep sea subdown, you can videotape

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, so you can prove what you saw

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>when you came back here, we have to rely on

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the word of the people who were in the bathmosphere

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>looking out right, and that led even scientists at the

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>time to question some of it. So if theologists Carl Hubbs,

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>for instance, he had some issues with the reported bioluminescence,

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and he suggested in nineteen thirty three quote, I am

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>forced to suggest that whatever the author saw might have

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>been a phosphorescency linter rate whose lights were beautified by

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>halation in passing through a misty film breathed onto the

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>quartz window by Mr BB's eagerly oppressed faith. I like

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the snooty voice you give hubs there, Well, I get

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I do get a very like snooty intellectual, like stuffy

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>academic vibe here saying who is this this science popularizer? Uh,

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, without an advanced degree, daring to report on

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the secrets of the deep. Yeah, I mean you're naturally

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I think a modern person is sort of naturally inclined

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to be on BB side here, especially because of like

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>we see him being criticized for non legitimate reasons, like

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>you're hiring women researchers that you know that's a nonsense.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So you you kind of like naturally want to say, like, Okay,

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>if people are coming at him with criticisms, they're out fair,

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>but some criticisms might be fair while other ones aren't. Yeah,

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it comes back around the fact that we

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>are depending upon his observations and the observations of Otis

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>and and in many cases one it's not like both

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>of them saw the same thing. They're looking out of

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>different windows. There are several cases where Baby says, oh,

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and then Otis saw this creature, and I really wish

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I could have seen it, but I didn't, Or likewise,

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it's something that only bb saw and Otis was looking

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>at something else. Now, in all of this, I'm personally

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>inclined to believe Bbe, or at least I really want

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to believe him, and I and I have. I have

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>not conducted in like an exhaustive analysis of his personality

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>or anything, but based on what we've read about him

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>and his work, he seems to be to have been

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>a very meticulous researcher who cared about accurately presenting uh,

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>what was going on in the ocean. Well, Ellis had

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>an opinion on that, right did he does? Yees? So

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Ella rites quote. It is possible that Bebe was the

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 1>only person ever to see these mysterious creatures. It is

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>also possible that he made them up. But although he

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>wrote very cleverly and well, there is very little in

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>his published work to indicate that he was a practical

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 1>joker now to play Devil's advocate, though Ellis does point

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>out that Bab might have possibly joked at one point

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>about lights being those of quote a giant toadfish, and

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that perhaps BB, having neither a graduate or undergraduate degree,

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.879
<v Speaker 1>wanted to quote put one over on the academics. Uh,

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.919
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's It's also worth noting that he would

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>have not been the first to play such a prank.

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Ellis points to a nineteen thirty three prank by Australian

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a theologist Gilbert Whitley, and he makes the point that

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>BB would have known that his observations were fairly safe

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>for the Fresievil future. So, in other words, he could

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.320
<v Speaker 1>have made something up and known that, hey, if future

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>explorers come down to the same part of the ocean,

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the same depth and they don't see it, that in

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>no way disproves what I'm claiming to have seen his

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>reports quote would it would enter the literature as they

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 1>have done, with virtually no possibility of being discounted. It is,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>after all, one of the basic tenets of cryptozoology that

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 1>negative evidence cannot be disproved, a fact beloved by chupacabra

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 1>movie purveyors everywhere. So Ellis stresses that, look, we we

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 1>simply don't know another thousand or ten thousand dives might

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>be required to to really prove any of this out.

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 1>But he says that the very fact that that that

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that some of these specimens have not been seen since

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Bebe that that casts their existence into doubt. But now, also,

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>as I think we have said before, Bebe did see

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>some things that were not known about at the time

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but have since been verified. Yeah. I mean in the

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 1>vast majority of the deep sea fishes he describes are

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 1>confirmed by specimens uh. And in one case, the quote

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>untouchable bathosphere fish uh did turn out to be a

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>species of dragonfish later found to inhabit the middle layers

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.919
<v Speaker 1>of the ocean where he reported them. So for many

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of these great creatures, perhaps we simply haven't seen them. Again,

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the ocean is a big place and one that contains

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.439
<v Speaker 1>plenty of mystery. Perhaps these species have suffered or gone

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 1>extinct due to the due to the damage that humans

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>have inflicted on the ocean. That's highly possible, yeah, Or

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>as we've discussed, perhaps these creatures were more easily seen

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>by the silent, motorless bathmosphere as it descended through the depths.

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>The aquatic environment, after all, is quite vulnerable to sound

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and to go back into the differences of the general

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>methods of of sampling the depths you you if you've

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>got the Gilgamesh method and the eb zoom method. There

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.280
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of species that are not very easily picked

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>up by various kinds of Ebba zoom methods. Like whether

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you're trawling with the net or trying to drag dredge along,

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever you're doing, there's some species that just tend not

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to get caught like that. Yeah, Now, one thing I

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 1>do want to throw in here is that in some

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>of these discussions of of the more mysterious creatures, it

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>tends to it tends to fall into extremes. Right, either

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>he definitely saw something that we have not seen since,

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 1>or he just made it up without really without really

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<v Speaker 1>addressing the fact that there are a number of possible

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<v Speaker 1>variations between those two extremes. I mean, it was dark

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<v Speaker 1>down there, it was dark. They're they're just getting glimpses

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<v Speaker 1>of things. So I would I would counter with, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it possible that he saw some of these things but

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<v Speaker 1>misjudged their size, that he later remembered them a little differently,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think it is necessary for for b

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<v Speaker 1>B to be a prankster or a liar for him

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<v Speaker 1>to have misreported something that he that he thought he saw. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree there, yea. And so you know, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>for myself, I'm not inclined to really entertain some of

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<v Speaker 1>these more nefarious interpretations of his observations. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little thrown when he saw the crack in the size

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<v Speaker 1>of an island. Wait, that wasn't b B. I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>confusing BB with those medieval Norwegians. Well, this does raise

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<v Speaker 1>the question if he if he was to make something up,

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<v Speaker 1>like why didn't he go even broader with his descriptions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know that. Again, we're getting into into

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<v Speaker 1>areas of pure speculation here. Well, I I like this

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<v Speaker 1>because it sort of brings us back to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we were discussing earlier and in the last episode

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<v Speaker 1>about how we know a lot more about the deep

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<v Speaker 1>than we used to, but we still don't know tons

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff about the deep oceans. The deep oceans are

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost a cliche to say now because people emphasize

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<v Speaker 1>it so much, but it's very true. They're they're entirely

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<v Speaker 1>alien to us. We know very little about them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's been reported that of the ocean is unexplored. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and that's to say it hasn't even been

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<v Speaker 1>seen with human eyes. Yeah, I know there are various

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<v Speaker 1>ways of people disputing that figure, but suffice to say

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<v Speaker 1>that even large portions of the ocean that are sort

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<v Speaker 1>of roughly mapped have not actually been seen. Yeah. As

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand fourteen, less than point zero five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the ocean floor had been mapped to a level

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<v Speaker 1>of detail useful for detecting items such as the wreckage

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<v Speaker 1>of airplanes or the spires of undersea volcanic vents. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a higher stat in recent years. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the Unseen Oceans exhibit at the American Museum

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<v Speaker 1>of Natural History, only ten to fiftcent of the sea

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<v Speaker 1>floor is revealed to us inaccuracy. And in either case,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately we know more about the surface of Mars than

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<v Speaker 1>the sea floor of our own planet. Part of the

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<v Speaker 1>issue there, of course, is that we can't use satellites

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<v Speaker 1>uh to map the sea floor in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that we can use satellites to map the surface of Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to depend on things like sonar and to

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Yeah, But at the same time, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've said, we know a lot more than we used

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<v Speaker 1>to and it's exciting that there is so much more

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<v Speaker 1>to learn. Indeed, and I think that's why we keep

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to the ocean. On Stuff to Blow Your Mind,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about the mysteries of outer space, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the mysteries of the inner mind, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to keep talking about the mysteries of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no dragonfish in space. It's true, like

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean is the mysterious realm in which we know

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<v Speaker 1>there is alien life and keep discovering new forms. There

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<v Speaker 1>may be dragonfish in the mind, yes, oh, undoubtedly they're

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<v Speaker 1>dragonfish in the mind. But but in in the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>we can actually pull them up and uh and poke

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<v Speaker 1>at them. Though how much better to go down and

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<v Speaker 1>observe them in the natural habitat rather than pulling them up.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's the legacy of William bb in the bathmosphere.

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