1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: The real thing when people talk about, Hey, I want 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: to be the best athlete that I can be. You know, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the best tennis player. I want to 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: be the best wrestler. I want to be the best 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: this and best that. What they have to realize is 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: that before you can do that, you've got to be 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: the best person. You know, you gotta be your best self. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: If the person is not, you know, okay, then the 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: athlete will falter as well, because there are two of 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: the same. This is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all areas of 12 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: sports through education and advocacy. Ah this is Nick Boncourt 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: from the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Today, I'm joined by 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: world champion wrestler Jaden Cox. With over fifteen medals from 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: the Olympics, n c A Championships and World Championships, Jaden 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: is one of the most decorated wrestlers in the country. 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: He's currently preparing for the first headlining match against Olympic 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: World Champion and n c A Champion Kyle Snyder tonight 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: March sixe in the best of three format. Jade and 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: I dive deep into mental health, self motivation, and advice 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: for kids who are looking to wrestle. Man, I am 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: super fired up again. I got other awesome guests. Is 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: a studies in the middle of training, constantly in the 24 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: middle of training. One of the best in the world. Certainly, 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm super tickled to have him. The world champion, Olympic medalist, olympian, 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: just all these things. Uh, one of the best out 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: there in the world, Jaden Cox Jade and thanks so 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: much for hopping out, Man, thanks for having me. I'm 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: excited so thank you here. Yes, sir, well, I appreciate 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: you very much. Man, what an unbelievable career you've already 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: had and you're continuing on before we kind of get 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: into it, Man, the sixteenth March sixteenth, you and Kyle Snyder, 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: what what do what do we got? What do you 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: think is gonna happen here? Well, I mean I think 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm a competitor, so I mean I'm always biased from 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: my own from my own outcomes. So like me asked me, like, 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: what do you think is gonna happen? Well, I I 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: go in with the mindset that I'm gonna win. Um No, 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a great match. I think 40 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: that you know, obviously, Kyle is a great competitor. You know. 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: I've actually had this conversation a lot with people, and 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: people you're trying to tell me, you know, like, oh man, 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: it's a huge match, and you know, I kind of 44 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: put a perspective not only for me, but for them 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: as well. You know. It's it's like, well it's to you, 46 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, to you, it's a great, big match, you know, 47 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: because you think of Kyle Snyder myself, and you think 48 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: about all the metals and the great things we've done. 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: And for us, and at least for me, I can't 50 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: I won't speak for Snyder, but you know, I know 51 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: he's a strong competitor and I've talked with him. It's 52 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: another match, you know, Like your mom could show up 53 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: to the match and I would still wrestle her to 54 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: the best of my ability. You know. Um, that's just 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: how competitive we are. This is what we do. And 56 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: I think sometimes people forget like like you're you're a 57 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: fan of what we do to live, you know, like 58 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: so like you see it and like you see it 59 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: from a different life. For us, it's like it's another 60 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: day at work. We gotta get in the ground. Guy, 61 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: put in the time we get to work. Man. I 62 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: love I love that. Man. It's actually a great segue 63 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: because obviously your your body of work. From up from 64 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: an athletic standpoint, I'm a huge fan of my my 65 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: kids wrestle, and uh, you know, I love the sport. 66 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I never wrestled day in my life, but boil boy 67 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: do I love what it's done. From my kids and 68 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: just being around it and uh, it's a wonderful sport. 69 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: And following you. You really struck me a couple of 70 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: years ago when you started talking about mental health. Um, 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: and why that's important to me is the culture of 72 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: youth sports today. There's an intense focus in young athletes. 73 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I say young athletes, but young people, and pressures comes 74 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: from external places to perform and perform and perform at 75 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: very very very young ages. And there's a lot I 76 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: think that's coming up from that. You know, there's hyper specialization, 77 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: there's you know, one track way of thinking, and you know, 78 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: we've yet to see but I mean you're hearing more 79 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: and more kids come out and certainly more pro athletes 80 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: like yourself who are talking about the burden you know 81 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: at times and what they deal with, which is I 82 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: commend because it gives people the strength to know that 83 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: they can do. So. You talked about a couple of 84 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: years ago there was a tweet. I'm not gonna say 85 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: exactly word for word, but I'll give you the gist. 86 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll know what I'm talking about. Love to 87 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts. You talked about how you've had incredible 88 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: battles with other competitors, but some of the biggest battles 89 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: you've wont have been the battles with yourself. What did 90 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: you mean by that? And can you talk about how 91 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: that may just from an athletic standpoint, maybe where that 92 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: stems from. Well, I mean for me personally. You know, 93 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I've had my own struggles and I've been very opened up. 94 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: You know, I at times of struggle with depression. It 95 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: comes and it goes, but uh, you know, I've had 96 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: some real battles with that um in my own personal life. 97 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: And then when you add on this stress or sometimes 98 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: you said use the word burden of you know, having 99 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: to perform and compete in having uh, you know, goals 100 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: that you want to come to fluition and the work 101 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: you gotta put in it. Can it can add on 102 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: to that as well. Um, and I think that a 103 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: big thing that I was meaning as well is that 104 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, we compete against other people, and we also 105 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: in a way, you know, you compete against yourself. You know, 106 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: you're trying to make yourself the best. You know, we 107 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: all have the option in our careers to just be like, 108 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to work out today, 109 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't want to 110 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: do that. And so the real thing when people talk about, hey, 111 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: I want to be the best athlete that I can be. 112 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: You know, I want to be the best tennis player. 113 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: I want to be the best wrestler. I want to 114 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: be the best this that, that's that, and the but 115 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: they have to realize is that before you can do that, 116 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: you've got to be the best person. You know, you 117 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: gotta be your best self. Because when you look at 118 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: all these things, but one thing they have in comments 119 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: other people. And so if you don't take care of 120 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: the person, the individual first, then the athlete doesn't get 121 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: to go as far as you maybe would like it 122 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: to be or like to see it go. So like 123 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: the examples of these is like, you know, when I 124 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: struggled in my career and I was doing things not right, 125 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: but the person wasn't okay. The person wasn't a good 126 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: place like I remember going in two thousand fifteen. You know, 127 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: the person was struggling a lot, you know, and it 128 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: wasn't you know, from fourteen and fifteen. So fourteen, I 129 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: won a national title, you know, but I still hadn't 130 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: dealt with things completely that I needed to deal with, 131 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: or at least knew how to deal with things that 132 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: needed to deal with in my personal life. And then 133 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: my personal life started to tank and started to be 134 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: really bad. And then the things I was doing or 135 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: the way that I was in my personal life affected 136 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: the athlete. So then the wrestling showcase it and then 137 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: I go on and take fist, you know, and the 138 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: worst feeling in the world for me. Um was I remember, 139 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: And actually it's funny because I've told this story do 140 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: a couple of people, but I remember sitting and I 141 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: think there's a photo audit online, but I remember sitting 142 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: in the tunnels about to go out to wrestle Snyder. 143 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: And I knew Snyder. I mean, we've had a couple 144 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: of run ins in the past in high school. Um, 145 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: I knew a kind of person that he was. I 146 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: knew how committed he was, and I remember sitting in 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: the tunnel and I remember thinking to myself, I have 148 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: not done everything in my power to deserve to win 149 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: this match. I remember thinking that. I remember very vividly 150 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: short of the Lord sending us Banana Peele somewhere like 151 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: a Mario court and making him slip up to his 152 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: back and me falling on top of him. I did 153 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: not do anything to deserve to win that match, um, 154 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: and I knew I hadn't. And I've told some people 155 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: this story, like I made sure, like when I went back, 156 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: I made sure I never want to feel like that again. 157 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: I never I never want to have that feeling ever, 158 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: and any circumstances ever again. And it didn't stem from 159 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: an athletic problem, like, because the reasons I didn't do 160 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: those things or do what I deserved had nothing to 161 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: do from the athletic. It didn't steal from athlete problems. 162 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: It's stem from my personal life and me and my 163 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: and my mental health and finding ways to cope with 164 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: it that weren't very productive or helpful or useful. And 165 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: so then since the person like it goes back to 166 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: since the person was faltering. The athlete followed suit, because 167 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: we have to remember, yes, you do you wrestle like 168 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm a wrestler because of the title, but like you yourself, 169 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: your persona. You are not a wrestler. You are not 170 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: a football player. You are not a tennis player. First 171 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: and foremost, you are a person. You are a person 172 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: that does this. You are a person that wrestles, you 173 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: are a person that plays football. But your identity still 174 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: lies in who you are are as as a human being, 175 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: even without that. And if that is not okay, and 176 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: if that does not take care of, if the person 177 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: is not you know, okay, then the athlete will falter 178 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: as well, because there are two of the same man. 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: That is so powerful. A matter of fact, before you 180 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: started speaking, when you just started getting I started thinking, 181 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: I've I've interviewed so many different coaches and athletes at 182 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: every level. And uh, some of the highest level athletes, 183 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, they were recognized at early ages, you know, 184 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: from certain coaches. And I can just think of a 185 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: couple of baseball players I know, and they got great advice. 186 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: One in particular told me he goes. A coach pulled 187 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: me aside when I was thirteen, right, he was, you 188 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: know what it's like to stand out and people can 189 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: recognize early on this guy's that's potential to be a 190 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: big leaguer. Of course, he went on to become a 191 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: big leaguer, but he was thirteen or fourteen. A coach 192 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: went up to him and said, hey, baseball is what 193 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: you do. It is not who you are. It's not 194 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: who you are, and you make sure you start to 195 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: understand that, because as you get more and more attention, 196 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna start to feel like your your your performance 197 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: and such as tied to your worth. And that's so 198 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: important to keep that mutually exclusive. But at young ages, Jane, 199 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: how do you you know? Because kids will hear this, 200 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: and parents and coaches will hear this, especially I think parents, 201 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: because we're the ones who are in the position where 202 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: we can you know, we're raising children, but we get 203 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: wrapped up in it. And what happens, Jane, there's a 204 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: there's a crazy circumstances where parents' identity will get tied 205 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: to their kids performance. It's really whacking in some instances. 206 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: How do we recognize maybe some of those signals and 207 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: maybe you can speak from your experience, like you know, 208 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: I spoken to your mother. She's wonderful. I don't know 209 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: if she did certain things. How do you find the 210 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: way to kind of give the child or the student 211 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: athletes the space allowing them to grow while taking a 212 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: step back realizing it's not your journey as a parent. 213 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Um well, I think as a parent, uh, I think 214 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: in some cases when you kind of hit it on 215 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: this whenever you were talking about you know that some 216 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: kids are so young and the press so hard, it's 217 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: just like I think that as as a parent, you 218 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of got to compartmentalize, realize that you can be 219 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: supportive in the sport without making that the number one 220 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: priority and and really on top of that, making other 221 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: aspects of life for your kids like a priority for 222 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: you as a parent, you know. I know, like with 223 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: a lot of athletes, I mean one of the one 224 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: of the things like you can do is simply, you know, 225 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: doing simple stuff like asking like hey, how's your day? 226 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: You know, like how are you doing, how's the fam? 227 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Like take it away from the sport, 228 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: like bring it back to real life stuff instead of 229 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: just the athletics. You know, because you know, I've I've 230 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: seen it, I've been. I've been in some situations where 231 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of been uncomfortable where I've been visiting a 232 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: place or maybe running a camp or doing something and 233 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm asking this place and literally the whole the whole 234 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: conversation that's going on with someone and their kid is 235 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: wrestling or whatever sport, and it's just like, do you 236 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: even ask him how the day was at school? You know, 237 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: you just asked him, Hey, I was practice? What was that? Sweet? Looking? Good? 238 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: But what about Hey are you talking to the football right? 239 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Like hey, put your fingers 240 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: here on this, get the spiral go up. It's like whoa, Like, 241 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: that's that's the coach. The coach will take care of that, 242 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: you know. And I think there's a fine balance on 243 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: pressing and you know, pushing your kid and allowing your 244 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: it to grow with something they want to do. I 245 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: think there's a there's a fine line in that. Um. 246 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem if a kid comes 247 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: up to a parent is like, hey, you know, like 248 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: I know I got practice, but I want to do 249 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: some extra stuff. I wanted to this that, you know. Um, 250 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't see a problem with it. As long as 251 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: you can balance it out um with life in general, 252 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: but like I also don't think that it needs to 253 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: be pressed upon as much. And and the reason I 254 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 1: think the reason one of the reasons I think it 255 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: is because the way my parents did is we took place. 256 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me wrestle over the summer sometimes, like 257 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: sometimes they even maybe play different sport you know, they 258 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: maybe play baseball for like two years. Worst the experience 259 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: of my life or was was I'm gonna be honest 260 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: with you, man, I am not a baseball player at all. Okay, 261 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: great picture anything that involved catching the ball. I was 262 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: good at hitting the ball, you know what, that's not 263 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,119 Speaker 1: important to the game. That's what I figured out for myself. 264 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, we played different sports, you know, played football. Um, 265 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: just did different stuff. And uh oh I love I 266 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: loved football. Well, I have a love hate relationship with football. Um, 267 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't like running, to be honest, I tell people 268 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: this all the time, Like I hate running. Man, I 269 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: do it, and I'm actually pretty good at it. I 270 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: just I don't like it. I do it because it's necessary. 271 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: But I remember sometimes in high school, like I would, 272 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: I was sometimes getting mad at my own teammates were 273 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: making a tackle that I was chasing somebody down the bank. 274 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: The guy I was just I'm like, man, I ran 275 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: all this way, dude, Like come on, I was gonna 276 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna get them, Like, don't worry. But um no, 277 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: but I know, and I love football, and yeah I 278 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: was good at it. But you know, I think that, uh, 279 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: I think that your parents sometimes you need to let 280 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: their kids realize that they love something rather than trying 281 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: to put the love in them, you know. And I 282 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: think that, you know, and like I said, only speaking 283 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: from my experience, you know, like I grew my love 284 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: for wrestling. You know, my brothers did it and then 285 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: I did it, and my parents never really stepped inside 286 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, Hey, get your shoes, are going 287 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: to practice. No, they waited for me to be like, hey, 288 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: I want to do this now. Granted I was at 289 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: a young age and I was surrounded by brothers to 290 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: do it, but like, uh, and I only even think 291 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: that's a wrong for them to for people to say, hey, 292 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: let's try this out, but like, let that love come naturally, 293 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: because then they'll take care of the assort. They'll take 294 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: care of the when their love grows for it. You know, 295 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: when you love something, especially as a kid, you want 296 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: to do it. You want to do it right, you 297 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: want to do it to the best you can. Um 298 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: and so you know that's what it comes to. Like, Hey, 299 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: let that love naturally grow for them. They'll they'll decide 300 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: if they want to do it or not. You know. 301 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: When we come back, Jade and I will dive deeper 302 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: into how kids will be motivated to work hard if 303 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: they truly love the sport. Where we left off, Jade 304 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: and I were just starting to discuss the relationship between 305 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: love and motivation. Will also get into advice for current 306 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: and future wrestlers. When did you start? Because you're saying 307 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: that word love, and you know, I can think about 308 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: specific circumstances because I play football in high school and 309 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: baseball and I played, um, you know, baseball in college 310 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: and such, and but I love playing basketball, but I 311 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: never I played more like a wreck basketball. But like football, 312 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: I played because I was pretty decent at it, but 313 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: I didn't really love it, Like I didn't, you know, 314 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: I didn't love I was a quarterback. I love to 315 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: throw it, but I didn't like to get hit. I 316 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: didn't really like getting hit that much that wasn't necessarily 317 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: my favorite part of it. Some people love the physicality 318 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: of it. But I was willing to do extra things 319 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: on my own in baseball, like I really like that's 320 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: when I look back on it. I didn't need to 321 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: be told to do something, and to me, that was love. 322 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: That was me wanted to really work and separate myself 323 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: from others. And then of course that worked out. But 324 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: when did the intrinsic motivation for you and wrestling start 325 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: to come out? Where you started realizing like you were 326 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: willing to Because listen, my kids wrestle. One of them 327 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: is going to be a college wrestle, the other one 328 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: loves to be a part of I mean, you don't 329 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: want to do the work. The work that goes into 330 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: wrestling is different to me. I mean you gotta be 331 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: a different animal to do that is some pain involved, 332 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: some dieting and all this stuff. Like not a lot 333 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: of kids are disciplined enough. When did you really start 334 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: to see like you were all in and that um, 335 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: I think that well. And I had a little different upbringing. 336 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: My parents weren't very big on cutting weight. They weren't 337 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: big on that, so I didn't really have that to 338 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: worry about. Like I remember one time for like Tulsa, 339 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: like I was two pounds away from a weight class 340 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: below and they were like, no, just go up to 341 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: the next weight class, which was it was only like 342 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: three pounds. But you know, like they were never about 343 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: like you know they lose any weight or anything like that. 344 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, they were just very much Hey, let's let's 345 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: just wrestle the way wrestle. I mean that's why when 346 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: I was in high school, um, one of my thought 347 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: process going into college because I was going I was 348 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: recruited as a heavyweight at Missouri, and I was like, well, 349 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: if I can just take out cutting weight and just 350 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: focus on getting better in school, then it'll be it'll 351 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: be good. Um. But then they were like, hey go 352 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: ninety seven and nine seven wasn't really that hard. But 353 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: I think when I really realized that I wanted to 354 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: do this, honestly, I think it was at a young 355 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: age when I first started, because when I would lose, 356 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: I used I was terrible when I first started. Um, 357 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, like like many people still where he's like 358 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: I was just bad. Um, And I would lose, and 359 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: like I would come back to my mom and be 360 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: like okay, like it was two and out. So I'd 361 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: wrestled two matches and losing both and come back to 362 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: my mom and I'd be like, Mom, when when am 363 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: I going to wrestle again? And she'd be like, oh, 364 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: you don't get to it, and then I would start 365 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: crying because I didn't get to wrestle, you know, um 366 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: so and then um. But I think that I had 367 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: a love for it early. But I think that when 368 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: I really started to recognize like I really like this 369 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: and I really loved it was probably when I was around, 370 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: uh maybe around nine, nine or ten. Do you think 371 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: that that losing like that, like losing and then you're 372 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: realizing you couldn't wrestle anymore because you're out of the tournament? 373 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: Right two and out? Were you like obviously piste off 374 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: a little bit like did they kind of make it 375 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: like I don't want to lose anymore? I want to 376 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: get better? Yeah? I mean obviously that does. It's like 377 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I just want to wrestle more, you know, like I like, 378 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: I enjoyed what I was doing, and I don't think 379 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: I really had to grasp on it until like I 380 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: was older, um, because then you know, I ran into 381 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: my Guyronman, and he was able to kind of put 382 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: how I felt about the sport into words where I 383 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: might have not have been able to at that age, 384 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: you know. Um, And so you know, I started to 385 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: really understand, like, I really like this sport. I love 386 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: the way I have to think about it, the adjustments, 387 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: you know that, the intensity, Like I really like it 388 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot. I think that that's fascinating because you know, 389 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: when I spoke to your mom, she talked about how 390 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: you did play football, and she she explained all these 391 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: things that you're kind of going through. So to hear 392 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: your perspective on it is so incredible. And at the 393 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's about finding your path. But like, 394 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: I guess what I was trying to find out now 395 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: looking back on it, how important do you think going 396 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: through that struggle, that failure, that losing was in your 397 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 1: development Because a lot of times parents we don't want 398 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: to see our kids fail, so like will encourage and 399 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: I say we, but parents will encourage their kids to 400 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: maybe go down to a different way. Right, So maybe 401 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: maybe have an advantage, right if you're the bigger kid, 402 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, maybe theoretically have an advantage. You're like those 403 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: types of things doesn't seem like you were you were 404 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: doing that, So like, how much did going through that 405 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: experience maybe making it more of a strong go for 406 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: you or any athlete, help prepare you more for the path. 407 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, as parents, aren't 408 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: we trying to prepare kids for life and adversities are 409 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: part of that. But at times it seems like we 410 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: we try to avoid that. Well, I mean it's it's 411 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: always that's all. That's a fine line too, because it's 412 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: always hard because parents, you know, you hear parents all 413 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: the time like I wanted to give a kid a 414 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: better life than I had, you know, like I live 415 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: life and I learned these things, so I don't have 416 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: to let them hell do these things, um, And I 417 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: think to an extent like that's good and to an 418 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: extent like they gotta learn somehow, you know. I think 419 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: it goes both ways. But I think that you know, 420 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: for me going through those things, and even for for 421 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: parents you know, where they're like, well we'll cut the weight, 422 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: we'll do this. Um. There's a lot of factors to 423 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: really be thought about, um, not just mentally, but also physically, 424 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: you know. Um. There's also the just like the heart 425 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: behind it, you know, like, is that something that you 426 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: can like I know guys that have been cutting weight 427 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: since the beginning of their careers, um, and they you know, 428 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: stuck with And I know guys that did that and 429 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: it burned them out. So I mean, it's it's a 430 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: fun line. And everyone's different, and it's hard when you 431 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: talk about things like this because, um, everyone is different. 432 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Everyone has a different mindset, and everyone has a different 433 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: you know love or heart towards the same thing, you know, 434 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: so it can be difficult to measure that out. But 435 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: I think that what people need to learn in a 436 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: young life. And I and I remember I how to 437 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: talk with a young man actually in Colorado about this 438 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: that you're like he had just lost and he wanted 439 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to quit. And I remember one of the things I 440 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: told him was like, you're not losing right now, you're learning, 441 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: Like that's what it is. And I think that in sports, 442 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: I think that we need to kind of take that 443 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: mindset as well, especially at like these young levels. You know, 444 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: like you lost, yes, but you're learning as well. You're 445 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: learning to get better right now. You make it to 446 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: the NFL, you make it all you know, you're playing 447 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: tennis for the Wimbledon Championship or whatever. You're playing baseball 448 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: for the World Series. I can understand you're taking a 449 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: loss hard, you know, when you're young and you're a 450 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 1: kid and whatnot, Like you're learning and then we go 451 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: back and we work on it. And like I watched 452 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: the I want It's funny because just last night I 453 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: watched this documentary on commentary brands in their life and 454 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: growing up as a kid, and it may be actually 455 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: grow a lot of respect and admiration for for the brands, 456 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: even more than I already had um along with their 457 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: their parents as well. Um. But you know, I'm watching 458 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: it and you know they're talking about how they lose 459 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: and then they go back and they have to go 460 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: on a mat and try to figure it out over 461 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: and over and over again and stuff like that. And 462 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: there's that like that passion in that in that drive 463 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: and that love for it. And I think that's something 464 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: that will occur, Like I said, if you naturally just 465 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: let it grow, if you let it come, because if 466 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: you love it, and then you're gonna you're gonna want 467 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: to be like, all right, well what do I gotta 468 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: do better? You know? And on top of that, if 469 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: we take the mindset of losing out of it, where 470 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: like the worry is losing and you even use the 471 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: word fail, like why are we using such a strong 472 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: term for a moment, you know, like failure, like you failed, 473 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like when you say it, 474 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: like it just it almost makes my heart kind of cringe, 475 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, Like can you imagine if like and I'm 476 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: not saying this, this happens, and maybe it does or whatnot. 477 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: We've probably seen it, but like a kid loses a 478 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: match and then you come back and someone's like you failed, Yeah, 479 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: I definitely hits you in the gut a little bit harder, 480 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like that's that would 481 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: be ridiculous, you know. So it was this kind of 482 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: be like you know, it would be more kind of 483 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: like you're learning. All right, Hey, this is what we 484 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: gotta do. We gotta get better at this, this and that, 485 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: and you know we can work on that and stuff. 486 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: And this kid that they really love it and they 487 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: want to do it. You don't even have to say it. 488 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: They'll be in the room be like we gotta work 489 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: on this. You know. Now you may have to bring 490 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: it up or contextualize it and stuff and form it 491 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: for them because they you know, they're maybe they're not 492 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: at the technical level or the knowledgeable level of the 493 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: sport yet to be able to do with themselves. Um, 494 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: but they don't want to work on it. I don't 495 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: want to get better. You know, we see it every day, 496 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, we see it with a lot of kids. 497 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: I love it. Man. You know, in a minute, two minutes, 498 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: kids are gonna hear this. They're gonna hang on every 499 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: word you say. What are some things they should look 500 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: for when they're watching the Big Ten. You know, they're 501 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: watching guys wrestle, they're watching tournament, they're watching you and 502 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: Kyle Snyder. You know they're watching. What should they be 503 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: looking at from a technical or a physical standpoint? But 504 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: also what are some takeaways they should get from how 505 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: you guys train, how you prepare or any athletes in 506 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: order to help themselves get to the next level and improve. Oh, 507 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: I think the biggest advice that I would give kids 508 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: right now? Um did I say this? Because it works 509 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: at every level of learning to be to be coachable? Um, 510 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: learning to And I don't mean that in the sense of, like, 511 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, like listening and whatnot. I mean not in 512 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: the sense of for yourself, learning how to take things 513 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: that people show you or do for you on the 514 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: mat and make it into your own. And I think 515 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: to see that at this level, you would have to 516 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: see that when you watching the Big Ten in n 517 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: c l As. How look at these guys. They do 518 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: a lot of similar things, but they all do it 519 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: their own way. You know, like everyone shoots a single leg, right, 520 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: they all shoot it differently. They all have a different setup, 521 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: but it's catered to their style. And I think, like 522 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: that's something big to kind of look and point out 523 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: and figure out and see that, Okay, they do it 524 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: like this, and like, how do I want to do 525 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: it for me? And I say this at camps, I 526 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: can show you the same move. I want to show 527 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: you guys, this move. You're gonna learn it how I 528 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: show it, but I want you to take it back 529 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and make it work for your style, your way. And 530 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: I think, you know, don't get so pigeonholed in thinking 531 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: that there's only one way to do things. And I 532 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: want them to see that. And I think that the 533 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: Big Ten that I think you ce double As honestly 534 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: watched all of it um. You'll see that, you'll see 535 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: some great wrestling, and you'll see some of the same 536 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: things happening in so many different ways and be like, oh, 537 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: that's that's different, that's new. And so being able to 538 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: add on to your own repertile and be coachable in 539 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: that sense, so that you're not just a robot. You're 540 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: not just taking something and just adding it and it's 541 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: this person's moving out and make it yours, make it 542 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: your own way, making your own move. And uh. I 543 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: think also on top of that, I think look at 544 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: these guys and see how they come back from ever, 545 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: see how they respond, see how they mentally get back together, 546 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, because it's it's hard. You know, I've been there, 547 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: I've been to the to the big stage. I've been 548 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: on a lot of big stages, and I've lost some 549 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: big stages. You know, like watch these guys and watch 550 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: how they how they progress through and continue the course 551 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: and go after you know, the next best thing. You know, 552 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: they don't they don't just say, you know, let I 553 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: lost something, them out and they go back out there 554 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: and they and they fight. And I think, lastly, and 555 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: I know this kind of long winded, but I think Lastly, 556 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: I would think that look like before the match even starts. 557 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: And I think every wrestler should take this into considerations 558 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: as like the courage, right, the bravery that is out 559 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: there being presented to you already with someone even stepping 560 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: out on the mat let alone because it is a 561 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: one on one sport and it's just you versus someone else, 562 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: but also for the expense of you know, sometimes we 563 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: get caught up in logos, we get caught up in names, 564 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: we get caught up in accodes and stuff. Believe it 565 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: or not. Guys, I've been in matches with people didn't 566 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: believe I should win or even be out there, you know. 567 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: So the bravery just to step out there, to take 568 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity, to take the chance and put your efforts 569 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: towards doing something against someone or school or anything that 570 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: it may seem impossible for you to even do anything 571 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: or or to win, you know, the bravery it takes 572 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: to even step there and take the opportunity and take 573 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: that chance to go after your dream. I think that's amiable. 574 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: And when you watch that, we almost take a guarantee 575 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: these guys stepping out there, but we don't realize sometimes I, hey, 576 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: this person. This person's ranked twenty six and this person's 577 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: ranked third. Like this should be all, this should be 578 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: a wash, you know, like it takes a lot of 579 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: bravery to be like, you know, it's screw what everybody 580 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: else says. I'm still stepping out here. I'm still gonna go. 581 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: I love that man getting the fight, compete, give it 582 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: your roll and uh man, that's powerful stuff. I love it. 583 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough, Jaden Cox. Man, truly appreciate 584 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: your humbled I know you've got a busy schedule again, 585 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: and just grateful for you taking the time and sharing 586 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: your wisdom. Man, this has been awesome. No, thank you 587 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: very much. It's been awesome, and you're for having me. 588 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: That's Olympic World and n c A Wrestling Champion Jaden Cox. 589 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Reform Sports Project podcast. 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