Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, and we've got Rookie of the Year a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and now a w g C
Speaker 1: victor and one of the names that continues to come
Speaker 1: up in conversation the major championships, Xander Shaffle on the
Speaker 1: pod today talking about us two years on the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: talking about the transition from amateur to web and from
Speaker 1: Web to the PGA Tour and uh and what life
Speaker 1: is like right now for a guy that you know
Speaker 1: is flown under the radar as much as you can
Speaker 1: when you've kind of collected wins a couple of years
Speaker 1: in and was Rookie of the Year and one at
Speaker 1: east Lake and now has a w g C title
Speaker 1: under his belt, so you know, he's he's one of
Speaker 1: those next tier guys outside of the you know, the
Speaker 1: Rory and the Speed and the Keeptic in the DJ
Speaker 1: and the JT. Those guys are maybe grouped up and
Speaker 1: then that next crop of players. Sanders right there, and
Speaker 1: I think he's on a very short list of next
Speaker 1: May your winner and those guys kind of six years
Speaker 1: old and younger. Great conversation we chatted about life on
Speaker 1: the web compared to life on the PGA tour. We
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, what he strives to be, not
Speaker 1: just on the golf course, but off and you know,
Speaker 1: just about the season he's had and kind of the
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Speaker 1: As we get set for the twenties seventeen PGA Tour
Speaker 1: Rookie the Years, the Shofle, and we welcome into the
Speaker 1: clubhouse for the first time, Zander Shaffle. Zater. I was
Speaker 1: going to ask to start of your two years, I
Speaker 1: guess two plus years on tour. Now, how many iterations
Speaker 1: of your name on the first t have you got?
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm off the top of my head?
Speaker 1: I a bunch, honestly, you know, Ever since I was
Speaker 1: in elementary school, I feel like I've the last name
Speaker 1: has been uh pronounced poorly or or not even at all.
Speaker 1: I've had I've had a few interesting ones, and I've
Speaker 1: had a couple of people choke up and sort of
Speaker 1: stare at me, uh for some help. So people have
Speaker 1: had fun with it, so at least, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I always wonder about and this is a p s
Speaker 1: A for anyone it's ever gonna do something on the
Speaker 1: first tea of any golf tournament. Just go up to
Speaker 1: the guys before and ask them. It takes two seconds,
Speaker 1: say how do you say your last name? You'll say it, Boom,
Speaker 1: you got it. I always wonder why they're so gunshot
Speaker 1: to go up and be like Zander, give me the
Speaker 1: exact pronunciation your last name and then they can nail it.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask, Uh. I know you you
Speaker 1: obviously come off a big win in China. Um. I
Speaker 1: was listening to an interview you did during the week.
Speaker 1: I think it was after the first round, and and
Speaker 1: you mentioned you're gonna take some time off. You said,
Speaker 1: I'm a golf nerd. It's hard for me to stay
Speaker 1: away from the game. You told me something before we
Speaker 1: got going. You've already added an event to the calendar. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't stay away from it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I love San Diego, but I guess sitting around
Speaker 1: watching other guys play gets me going here. Uh. I
Speaker 1: decided yesterday or two nights ago to play the your
Speaker 1: ending tournament and Dubai for the European Tour. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna head out leave here on Saturday to get in
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Yeah. You there's really I've always said there's
Speaker 1: two types of prose. There's the guys that, uh that
Speaker 1: you know, look at it as a job and that's
Speaker 1: what they do. And then there's the guys that are
Speaker 1: just massively passionate about golf and they want to be
Speaker 1: on the golf course. I'm assuming you're in the second
Speaker 1: category there on this time off you've had. I mean,
Speaker 1: have you put the clubs away? Is it hard for
Speaker 1: you to put the clubs away? It is? You know,
Speaker 1: I say, I'm somewhere in between. I definitely look at
Speaker 1: it as a job. You know, I was supposed to
Speaker 1: use this um this time here. Uh the next event
Speaker 1: I had scheduled it was Tigers event and the Bahamas,
Speaker 1: And you know, I got back and I started working
Speaker 1: out and sort of doing sort of an off season
Speaker 1: program with my trainer back home in San Diego, and um,
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't. I kept getting like notifications and
Speaker 1: my agent kept talking to me about, you know what
Speaker 1: my plan is working by because you know, with the
Speaker 1: win on China, it puts me you know, up nicely
Speaker 1: on it counts for both tours. So I was an
Speaker 1: associate member of the European Tour this year, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt some sort of responsibility to
Speaker 1: to go out there and and sort of give it
Speaker 1: a go. I guess you know, I've never really been
Speaker 1: to Dubai, and um, I don't know you know how
Speaker 1: many opportunities I'm gonna get to go overseas, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: be going over. I can't win the whole, the whole
Speaker 1: race of Dubai because Molinari is too far ahead, but
Speaker 1: I can definitely, you know, play some big golf and
Speaker 1: give it a go and see and see how we do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's God. I've always wondered what it must
Speaker 1: be like to be a golfer, you know, of your
Speaker 1: abilities coming off a good week and then you have
Speaker 1: almost set aside time not to play. I mean I've
Speaker 1: always felt like, when you're riding that momentous wave, why
Speaker 1: hang it up? You know what I'm saying? And I mean,
Speaker 1: do you is that part of it. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you come off a victory and there's events out there
Speaker 1: to play, there's there's big events to play with with
Speaker 1: big purses and prestige that comes with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm assuming the itches there even more when you're
Speaker 1: coming off the way you played in China. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's tricky, you know, when you win. There's no like
Speaker 1: the calendar is it's so interesting to look at just
Speaker 1: because you know, we stop and start right back up.
Speaker 1: But this is sort of technically our off season. You know,
Speaker 1: this time of year is is when most guys just
Speaker 1: had to shut it down leading into January. So, UM,
Speaker 1: I think next year will be interesting with the new calendar. UM,
Speaker 1: new season. I guess of how our schedule looks, but
Speaker 1: it varies, you know usually you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: when you win, you want to you know, strike it,
Speaker 1: strike it while hot, I guess. But I sort of
Speaker 1: won early in this season, but late in the year,
Speaker 1: so I am supposed to take some time off, which
Speaker 1: is what I planned. And I just like you said,
Speaker 1: I I can't help myself. You've got to get this
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Speaker 1: to the aitor, You're I want to go back to
Speaker 1: your first full year on the web dot com. If
Speaker 1: I read this correctly, you missed the top twenty five
Speaker 1: by like a thousand bucks. How much are you in
Speaker 1: that position, you know, not being a PGA tour star,
Speaker 1: not being a guy that's already won and it's comfortable
Speaker 1: in life? You know, how closely are you paying attention
Speaker 1: to that? And how were your last two and three
Speaker 1: weeks on the web knowing that if you jump into
Speaker 1: that top twenty five, it's really life changing for a
Speaker 1: young guy. Yeah, it's funny. It's feels like it's been
Speaker 1: such a long time ago, um since being on the web,
Speaker 1: but it was I felt I was a crucial but
Speaker 1: just getting through to score honestly, going before that, you know,
Speaker 1: those are some important steps. Uh. The tour is becoming
Speaker 1: so much harder to play on, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's so aware of it, so there's this added pressure
Speaker 1: of getting through when you have that opportunity, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I was I think, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you said, I missed it a pump Andy Rick by
Speaker 1: nine and something everyone calculated to be like just one
Speaker 1: shot anywhere through the whole year. M Yeah, thanks thanks guys,
Speaker 1: Thanks you telling me that glad I missed that tapped. UM.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was it was an important It
Speaker 1: was good. It was good that I was able to
Speaker 1: push through that that sort of tricky time. You know,
Speaker 1: looking at it now, I reflect on it and think
Speaker 1: of it as a tricky time. But at the moment,
Speaker 1: you know, I was sort of gunn hole, like my
Speaker 1: head was down. I was sort of turn meant that
Speaker 1: I was gonna sort of walk through this um, this
Speaker 1: whole situation sort of untouched UM. And so I guess
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why we were able to
Speaker 1: start of clutch up and and and have that life
Speaker 1: changing moment, to have an opportunity to play on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Yeah, I mean, and and I've always wondered
Speaker 1: about the pressures. I mean, I know, you're twenty five,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned, you know, it feels like it was
Speaker 1: just kind of yesterday that that it was there, even
Speaker 1: though it's been you know, like you said, your your
Speaker 1: life has really changed in the two years you've had
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. But you know, you've you've been
Speaker 1: under pressure in PGA Tour events. You know, you just
Speaker 1: came off a playoff win against one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the world. But the pressures on the web
Speaker 1: have to feel different because you're playing. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not just playing for a job. You're not just playing
Speaker 1: for the next season on the PGA tour. But I
Speaker 1: mean every dollar is huge for you in those situations.
Speaker 1: What are the pressures like when you compare them and
Speaker 1: when you look at the web versus the pressures you
Speaker 1: feel now with big putts and in big moments. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has to feel less life changing than it did
Speaker 1: and you're going through the web as aear old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a good point, I think to compare
Speaker 1: the two. I don't know, it's an interesting question. You know.
Speaker 1: On the web, it's it's very what felt like do
Speaker 1: or die? You know, um, if you're not you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't have much money, uh, if people are
Speaker 1: backing you. There's just so many things on the web,
Speaker 1: dot com, going a PGA that people don't really see,
Speaker 1: like basically, put all your eggs in this one basket
Speaker 1: for this one moment um. It may seem at the
Speaker 1: time obviously, h if you like for me, it was
Speaker 1: sort of that situation, you know, it was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like the funds verse. You know in the third plus
Speaker 1: here like I wasn't like I was getting paid a ton,
Speaker 1: you know, I was barely scraping by. You know, I
Speaker 1: had my buddy outcatting for me. You're staying you know,
Speaker 1: this is all part of the process. That's that's part
Speaker 1: of what we call the grind um. So thinking back
Speaker 1: to it, it's just it is. It is crazy because
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to it's more of an internal battle.
Speaker 1: I feel like versus a PGA tour. On the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: this is sort of where your actual like dreams and
Speaker 1: goals you've you felt like you've had as a child
Speaker 1: or a kid, this is where you're trying to accomplish him.
Speaker 1: So that's the pressure you sort of feel out here,
Speaker 1: and you know you have more eyes on you, and
Speaker 1: there's just on the PGA Tour, there's it's more of
Speaker 1: a circus. There's so much more going on around you
Speaker 1: besides golf, you know that you have to be aware of.
Speaker 1: And on the web dot Com tour, it's sort of
Speaker 1: just you, your caddy and and just everyone else has
Speaker 1: got the same goal of just sort of grinding and
Speaker 1: get through the situation. Because you know, guys are like,
Speaker 1: I have to quit if I don't get through the situation,
Speaker 1: you know, this year, Like I'm out of funds, Like
Speaker 1: this is it for me. I'm done if I don't
Speaker 1: clutch up here. So you know, and guys have families,
Speaker 1: and the caddies out there aren't making any money either,
Speaker 1: So it's not just you who people are relying on.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's the web dot com to it's
Speaker 1: it's becoming extremely competitive, which just adds that much more
Speaker 1: pressure to whoever is in that situation. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you look get I mean I always say, you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned kind of the quote unquote off season. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are these are chances for young guys to go
Speaker 1: out and get victories. And we've already obviously seen it
Speaker 1: with Cam Champ, but you know, that's what this PGA
Speaker 1: Tour kind of wrap around season allows is sure, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a speed here on a Xander here, and
Speaker 1: and a and a Kepta here in the field. But
Speaker 1: for the most part we've seen the last two or
Speaker 1: three years, this is the chance for those guys to
Speaker 1: take a leap. And the funny thing is when you
Speaker 1: take that first leap on the PHA Tour. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about wining a million bucks and and as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the stress of life in a way goes away,
Speaker 1: especially when you have two years of comfort. You know,
Speaker 1: you're a guy that came from San Diego State and
Speaker 1: uh and I've always said, I mean, you know this
Speaker 1: isn't a comparison in the sense of games, but you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a little Zack Johnson and you you know,
Speaker 1: Zack Johnson went to Drake and he wasn't some talented
Speaker 1: amateur coming out. I know you've had some success in
Speaker 1: college and you won some amateur events. But when you
Speaker 1: look at the PGA tour, you have guys like Jordan's
Speaker 1: Speed went to Texas, and you have guys like Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas who with Obama, who were quote unquote can't miss
Speaker 1: guys since they were, you know, nine years old. What
Speaker 1: do you feel like changes um when you turn professional
Speaker 1: for a guy like you who didn't go to the
Speaker 1: biggest school in the world, who has been massively successful
Speaker 1: already in his career, versus maybe one of those highly
Speaker 1: touted amateurs that just can't seem to get it going
Speaker 1: once they turned professional. Because we see those types of players,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, come through and disappear a lot.
Speaker 1: I think the difference would probably be, you know, it
Speaker 1: takes Zack and I the pressures of making it weren't
Speaker 1: you know everyone if you go to Zack's hometown or
Speaker 1: my hometown, you know, everyone believed in us to make it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just not something that
Speaker 1: was covered or talked about. You know, everyone from my
Speaker 1: team believes that I could make it. Obviously, there's pros
Speaker 1: and cons, you know, of being the it guy like
Speaker 1: Jordan and Justin. Everyone's telling these guys, you know, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to make it, You're supposed to be great, You're
Speaker 1: supposed to do all this. So there is an added pressure.
Speaker 1: But as along along with the pressure, people have given
Speaker 1: them confident at a young age to tell them, you know,
Speaker 1: they were given opportunity through their play. They had opportunity
Speaker 1: to play on the key. Sure they they were successful.
Speaker 1: So like their confidence at sixteen or seventeen was something
Speaker 1: that I'm barely touching touching upon now, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I didn't have that confidence when I was
Speaker 1: as young as them, because they were so good so early,
Speaker 1: and people saw it and talks about it. So there's
Speaker 1: just buzz around them. Um, and I think they weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't scared of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When you look at some amateurs that have that buzz
Speaker 1: around them and they come out and aren't as aren't
Speaker 1: are not as a successful maybe the moment kind of
Speaker 1: got to them too soon. But if you look at
Speaker 1: j T and Jordan's they embraced that moment and so
Speaker 1: I just took off with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They used it as a as a propeller to win
Speaker 1: majors and and and just lead our young generation of golfers,
Speaker 1: you know, in the right direction. So someone like me,
Speaker 1: I was sort of in the in the dark, and
Speaker 1: I didn't really That's that's honestly where I like to live.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want anyone to really know who
Speaker 1: I am. I don't want um, you're not doing a
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, you know. Of course, where you play,
Speaker 1: the more people are gonna talk about you. But you know,
Speaker 1: I like to keep to myself. I have a really
Speaker 1: small team here in San Diego, and um, most of
Speaker 1: the guys too out there, you know, all the tough guys,
Speaker 1: they keep to themselves. That's sort of something I've learned.
Speaker 1: And their teams are pretty tight knit and small as well,
Speaker 1: just because it's just tricky. You know, everyone wants your time.
Speaker 1: The better you play, everyone wants to do this and
Speaker 1: that with you at the better you play. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's still a lot I need to learn
Speaker 1: moving along here, but it's it's definitely an interesting point
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Speaker 1: on and off the golf course, and you go, I
Speaker 1: kind of want to be like him as a professional golfer. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I feel like growing up, I've
Speaker 1: always looked at a bunch of different characters. Um. It's
Speaker 1: tricky because once you start playing, I think a part
Speaker 1: of you know, coming out of college, coming a professional
Speaker 1: many tours in the web, dot com or McKenzie or whatever,
Speaker 1: to where everyone's playing that do you sort of have
Speaker 1: to discover what kind of not even golfer, I guess
Speaker 1: what kind of person you are internally. I think all
Speaker 1: helps pull out, you know, everyone's u personality you know,
Speaker 1: like you gotta figure out who you are because they're
Speaker 1: playing golfs in front of people, and you have to
Speaker 1: feel comfortable in your own skin, and if you're not,
Speaker 1: you're not going to play your best golf. So I
Speaker 1: think growing up, I always looked at pretty much everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, I looked at I looked at guys like Rory.
Speaker 1: I looked at guys like Ricky. I looked at guys
Speaker 1: like Tiger, guys like still Um, just just to see,
Speaker 1: you know, how they reacted and how the crowd reacted
Speaker 1: to them, just because I didn't really know, you know,
Speaker 1: as a young kid, who I was. And so now
Speaker 1: that I'm out there, I guess I've sort of come
Speaker 1: into my own hold. Um, And I don't know where
Speaker 1: I stand or what I look like out there, but
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable and you know, how I behave on the
Speaker 1: course and how I am, And you know, i'd like
Speaker 1: to think it's it's just sort of like a mix
Speaker 1: of everyone. You know, I don't get to the quality.
Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. I'll take this guy's personality
Speaker 1: in the interviews. I'll take this guy when he has
Speaker 1: a great moment. I'll take this guy when he struggles,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean for you. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you talk about Jordan and Justin and the pressures that
Speaker 1: come with it, but I mean, you win two times
Speaker 1: as a rookie, and you win the Tour Championship and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, your Rookie of the Year and all of
Speaker 1: these accolades come with it. Did the pressure change from
Speaker 1: year one of the year two? Knowing that not only
Speaker 1: are you I mean now you're kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're a guy that it has been successful.
Speaker 1: You're a guy that's one big events, that's clutched up
Speaker 1: when he needed to in the biggest stages. You know,
Speaker 1: did it feel different this past year coming off of
Speaker 1: all that? For sure? Did? I? I think the biggest
Speaker 1: pressure was the pressure I put on myself more than
Speaker 1: anything else. I just I feel like coming out after
Speaker 1: the rookie year, it's just one year. It was just
Speaker 1: it was a really good golf. Gight was able to play,
Speaker 1: and everyone out there is able to play a really
Speaker 1: good golf. You know. It's just when we talk about it,
Speaker 1: it's the win and it's the opportunity, you know, And
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity and I did it. At the
Speaker 1: right time, and so boom, here comes to my rookie
Speaker 1: year and I do these crazy things. But I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, like this doesn't really prove anything yet, you know.
Speaker 1: It was just it was like a short stint of
Speaker 1: really good golf, and so I put a ton of
Speaker 1: pressure on myself to win again right away, to sort
Speaker 1: of put myself in that, you know, in the it
Speaker 1: factor of golfers, that you can play really good golf
Speaker 1: year round. Um. And so I think it was a
Speaker 1: learning experience. A little bit of that was I wanted
Speaker 1: or ask too much of myself or expected too much
Speaker 1: of myself just for being out there for a year,
Speaker 1: And so I got hit on the head a few
Speaker 1: times thinking, you know that better than I actually was.
Speaker 1: And um, I feel like I've just been trying to
Speaker 1: go with the flow more in the last couple of
Speaker 1: months and and sort of just learned from mistakes versus
Speaker 1: expecting to play great golf all the time. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was funny. I was listening to a couple of things
Speaker 1: you said after the win in China, and you you
Speaker 1: said you were going through your car before the playoff
Speaker 1: and you didn't even realize you'd Burdie. The last two holes,
Speaker 1: you just kind of were in the zone and you
Speaker 1: were going amongst going kind of through your routine, and
Speaker 1: you went, oh, that's that's a nice finish, and of
Speaker 1: course it got you in the playoffs. So yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: that's maybe just kind of moseying around and enjoyed the moment.
Speaker 1: Is is the way to go? I gotta ask you
Speaker 1: this the put on eighteen at East Lake. I was
Speaker 1: working PG TWUR live and you know, we're and and
Speaker 1: this is something broadcast. You know, we broadcast. We kind
Speaker 1: of gotta you know, we've got to wax poetically about
Speaker 1: whatever is going on. Right, So if you're gonna win,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a rookie and he's second win,
Speaker 1: big moment, blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm doing
Speaker 1: that whole thing. And let me just say it didn't
Speaker 1: go dead center. So as the man over the putt
Speaker 1: as you hit it and everything that happened, you know,
Speaker 1: the next two seconds, what was going through your mind?
Speaker 1: I just it was it was the most genuine expression.
Speaker 1: I just started laughing because that's what I was just,
Speaker 1: you know, I just I was embarrassed. I thought I
Speaker 1: missed the put So when I went in, I just
Speaker 1: started laughing, like, wow, it through and this moment, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because there's no chance I would
Speaker 1: have made the next put coming back after I lifted out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I would have finished like
Speaker 1: fourth place if I missed that put three from the foot.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't be the first one to do it,
Speaker 1: let me tell you that, correct. And you just don't
Speaker 1: want to be in that, you know. I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking I was ever going to miss the putt.
Speaker 1: I just maybe I was going through the process like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just not a big deal, kid, It's a two footer.
Speaker 1: Let's you practice this all the time to win. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: Never had this moment. But it's not gonna have kids.
Speaker 1: And I just hit it and I just didn't hit
Speaker 1: a good putt. And of course, you know, golf guys
Speaker 1: were on my side horse shoot in, and so I
Speaker 1: just started laughing because it was honestly, it was a
Speaker 1: moment of embarrassment for me because I almost just blew
Speaker 1: this ridiculously incredible opportunity for myself. I think the good
Speaker 1: news is the holes around and it did go in
Speaker 1: and and again it was it was a good thing
Speaker 1: for you, And I don't want to bring up some
Speaker 1: negative thing, but it was just it was one of
Speaker 1: those moments. Is you know, you were watching and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, as you said, you're kind
Speaker 1: of going that that that one snuck in. That'll work. Um,
Speaker 1: you know you've played, You've played really well in your
Speaker 1: two US Opens. As a pro, you know, US Opens
Speaker 1: historically have intimidated young players. I mean, it's not been
Speaker 1: an event that young players have played well. And you've
Speaker 1: got two top six is already in the two starts
Speaker 1: you've had. Why is it that the US Open seems
Speaker 1: to fit your game? Why do you feel so comfortable playing,
Speaker 1: you know, the the ultimate test or the toughest test,
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it. I feel like I
Speaker 1: look at the US Opens and maybe when I arrived
Speaker 1: that run from my team and myself, I tell myself
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, this is a week of patients
Speaker 1: like you have to, you know, I just keep reminding
Speaker 1: myself that. Also, I feel like veterans and rookies are
Speaker 1: almost on the same playing field because the US a
Speaker 1: trick they trick up courses so much that it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter just played. You know, Tory pines a million times.
Speaker 1: If the US comes through and and does what they
Speaker 1: do to golf courses, no one's ever seen the course
Speaker 1: like that, or if someone has, it's only been once enough.
Speaker 1: So I feel like everyone's on a level playing field.
Speaker 1: So you can almost wipe the experience off the charts.
Speaker 1: And it's so whoever can sort of prepare the best
Speaker 1: for the week and being the freshest mental state. Um,
Speaker 1: and being a younger guy, you know, you are scared
Speaker 1: at times, but usually you know, being young and being
Speaker 1: fearless or sort of go hand in hand. So just
Speaker 1: not being scared at the moment and sort of realizing,
Speaker 1: you know, this is almost a level playing field, like
Speaker 1: this is anyone's weak because this place is ridiculous. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I have sort of that mindset going into
Speaker 1: those US opens that sort of panned out for me.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a one more break to let
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a patient. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a mental patience, right, I mean, it's just basically, you know,
Speaker 1: never getting high or low in those in those situation,
Speaker 1: any any tough of them, for goodness sakes, but you know,
Speaker 1: when you play a very very difficult golf course, if
Speaker 1: you're not getting two up and not getting two down,
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna vote well for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: Nicholas used to talk about all the guys that are
Speaker 1: complaining on the range before US Open. He goes, you know,
Speaker 1: those guys already lost, they were done. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like you might have a great demeanor for
Speaker 1: that kind of major championship and it'll probably work well
Speaker 1: for you. Here's a question for you, because you are
Speaker 1: in a very unique situation. You played a full season
Speaker 1: without Tiger. In a full season with Tiger, compared the
Speaker 1: two years. Compare the full Tiger in the field play in.
Speaker 1: You're there, You're you're in the situation. You may you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're seeing him on the range versus the year
Speaker 1: before when he wasn't around. It's a simple answer. More
Speaker 1: buzz you know, good or bad that you know that
Speaker 1: he's played performance. You know coming out he was a
Speaker 1: little rusty. Um I played toy Pines right when he
Speaker 1: came out and he was super rusty, like it seemed
Speaker 1: like he wasn't ready to come back out and he
Speaker 1: missed the cut. I think he played with with DJ
Speaker 1: and um Day or it was a it was a
Speaker 1: big group. Yeah that sounds right, yep. And I gotta.
Speaker 1: I got a sponsors exemption, so I was just off
Speaker 1: to the side, but like, you know, the whole sort
Speaker 1: of wine together there. And so every once in a
Speaker 1: while I'd seen this massive crowd, you know, moving across
Speaker 1: the course. Um, you know, I'm on the other side
Speaker 1: of the property, was staring across the smokes. This is
Speaker 1: what it's like, I guess. And he's not even you know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even been back for more than a year.
Speaker 1: So him coming back and playing well has just been
Speaker 1: incredible because it's sort of that buzz and the roars
Speaker 1: and everything I've watched on TV as a kid. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like I get a little bit of an
Speaker 1: experience of what it's like when he's playing well. So
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly been a treat for me, you know.
Speaker 1: And also I think the game of golf, watching it
Speaker 1: to a championship that was just you know, not even
Speaker 1: golf moments. It was one of the coolest, coolest sparting
Speaker 1: moments I've ever witnessed in my life, just him walking
Speaker 1: through the crowd, being up to you know, in the
Speaker 1: clubhouse like literally a kid along with thousand other people.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all just sitting there lifting our chops,
Speaker 1: just watching him do his thing, you know, even though
Speaker 1: I played in the tournament against him. So um, I
Speaker 1: think everyone's really happy to see him playing well, and
Speaker 1: we're all grateful for him to be back. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the buzz isn't gonna go away for goodness sakes. I mean,
Speaker 1: the first event he's back at nineteen, it's gonna be crazy,
Speaker 1: and the master is gonna be crazy. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's not gonna dissipate. It's it's just only
Speaker 1: gonna get louder and louder, especially coming off that win.
Speaker 1: I know you've gotta run. And I do want to
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Um, I feel like you get
Speaker 1: the term sneaky long thrown around at you a lot.
Speaker 1: When when you hear the words this guy is sneaky long,
Speaker 1: do you take it as a compment or is it
Speaker 1: kind of annoying? I think sneaking long is sort of right.
Speaker 1: Or I like to live, so maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. It's perfect. Yeah, I don't really
Speaker 1: take it. I'm I'm you know, I'm whatever, five tenants,
Speaker 1: five night and a half without so you know, a
Speaker 1: hundred seventy pounds. I don't. You don't look at me like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy should fly three hundred or whatever. So every
Speaker 1: once in a while when I gets, you know, when
Speaker 1: I'm swinging a kid, I think I would consider myself
Speaker 1: sneaky long as well. So I think it's a fitting term.
Speaker 1: I was looking at your stats. I was looking at
Speaker 1: it before, and I mean, you know, you're like top
Speaker 1: twenty five and distance, and I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I watch you play, you know, when we're doing
Speaker 1: a PGA to a live event, you know, and we've
Speaker 1: got you in our group, and you watch it and
Speaker 1: it's you know, two or three times around, you're like
Speaker 1: eight passage e T or your tin pass dustin, or
Speaker 1: you're right there next to him. You're going kind of
Speaker 1: beats it. You know, people kind of get that he
Speaker 1: can kind of beat it. I mean it must be
Speaker 1: like you said, it's always nice to surprise people, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always nice if you kind of just
Speaker 1: kind of sneak up on somebody and they don't realize
Speaker 1: what's going on. So I liked it. The comp works
Speaker 1: for you, Sander. I appreciate the time. Man. First of all,
Speaker 1: good luck in in to buy and second, take some
Speaker 1: time off. Man, you gotta put the clubs away for
Speaker 1: like at least a couple of weeks. Are you going
Speaker 1: to spend December away from the game. Yes, December, it
Speaker 1: will be a time that that will be my off season,
Speaker 1: and then after I'm doing Capello obviously, and I'll have
Speaker 1: some time off after that leading into the Farmers, so
Speaker 1: I'll be home for the West Coast. So don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'll have my time off when you're in December. Like
Speaker 1: when you say you take time off, and you talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier, but I mean, will you not touch
Speaker 1: a club or is it very hard for you to
Speaker 1: go three, four or five days without you know, grabbing
Speaker 1: your bags and going hitting golf balls. Typically it's hard
Speaker 1: just because if you know, I haven't seen my buddies
Speaker 1: since I've been gone. So if if if they text
Speaker 1: me like, hey, let's go place the golf, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, why why golf? Can we
Speaker 1: do something else? But you know, you really like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fine, we can play golf. But this year, I
Speaker 1: think is the first time I've sort of been relaxed,
Speaker 1: you know, since I've turned pro. Um just with you know,
Speaker 1: the state of my game and mentally and just the
Speaker 1: success we've had. So I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I'll probably not touch the club for like two
Speaker 1: weeks and so see how that goes. It's not something
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't done that since I was in
Speaker 1: college or before that. So looking forward to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you when you say you're gonna go do something
Speaker 1: else that's not golf, what do you do? I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you like your hobbies when you're back in
Speaker 1: San Diego? I mean, funny enough, I'll probably travel just
Speaker 1: a little bit. My girlfriend back home, you know, she's
Speaker 1: she's working, so she doesn't get to come out with
Speaker 1: me too much. So we'll probably go somewhere nice. Um,
Speaker 1: that's an easy way to spend a week somewhere Usually
Speaker 1: the beach should just hanging out with friends. But it's
Speaker 1: gonna be cold in December here, so now you better,
Speaker 1: you better watch it. There are people on the East
Speaker 1: coast listen to this right now. They're that are just
Speaker 1: they are They are now making x x Ander signs
Speaker 1: because she said it's cold in San Diego in the winter,
Speaker 1: than for I don't want to go on the water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to put your wet suit on. I
Speaker 1: got you, all right, man. Well, I appreciate the time, dude,
Speaker 1: have have a great I have a great time. And
Speaker 1: to buy keep the keep them a minim rolling sounds good.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, it looks like I'm a wreck. A big
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