WEBVTT - Ep. 116 - PGA Tour Player Xander Schauffele 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:07.960 Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host, 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:12.040 Shane Bacon, and we've got Rookie of the Year a 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.840 couple of years ago and now a w g C 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.080 victor and one of the names that continues to come 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.520 up in conversation the major championships, Xander Shaffle on the 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.680 pod today talking about us two years on the PGA Tour, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.160 talking about the transition from amateur to web and from 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.160 Web to the PGA Tour and uh and what life 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.320 is like right now for a guy that you know 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.239 is flown under the radar as much as you can 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.440 when you've kind of collected wins a couple of years 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.360 in and was Rookie of the Year and one at 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.480 east Lake and now has a w g C title 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.159 under his belt, so you know, he's he's one of 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:48.479 those next tier guys outside of the you know, the 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.320 Rory and the Speed and the Keeptic in the DJ 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.120 and the JT. Those guys are maybe grouped up and 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.600 then that next crop of players. Sanders right there, and 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.680 I think he's on a very short list of next 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.720 May your winner and those guys kind of six years 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.399 old and younger. Great conversation we chatted about life on 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.520 the web compared to life on the PGA tour. We 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.679 talked about, you know, what he strives to be, not 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.399 just on the golf course, but off and you know, 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.360 just about the season he's had and kind of the 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.760 ups and downs of tour lives. So you'll enjoy the conversation. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.959 He was great. 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Now, how many iterations 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.800 of your name on the first t have you got? 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.000 Do you think I'm off the top of my head? 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.000 I a bunch, honestly, you know, Ever since I was 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.440 in elementary school, I feel like I've the last name 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.840 has been uh pronounced poorly or or not even at all. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.880 I've had I've had a few interesting ones, and I've 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.440 had a couple of people choke up and sort of 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.120 stare at me, uh for some help. So people have 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.160 had fun with it, so at least, Yeah, you know, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.240 I always wonder about and this is a p s 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.479 A for anyone it's ever gonna do something on the 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.960 first tea of any golf tournament. Just go up to 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.600 the guys before and ask them. It takes two seconds, 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.480 say how do you say your last name? You'll say it, Boom, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.640 you got it. I always wonder why they're so gunshot 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.560 to go up and be like Zander, give me the 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.440 exact pronunciation your last name and then they can nail it. 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.400 I did want to ask, Uh. I know you you 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.040 obviously come off a big win in China. Um. I 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:22.880 was listening to an interview you did during the week. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.040 I think it was after the first round, and and 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.880 you mentioned you're gonna take some time off. You said, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.040 I'm a golf nerd. It's hard for me to stay 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.360 away from the game. You told me something before we 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.080 got going. You've already added an event to the calendar. Man, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.520 you can't stay away from it. Yeah, I don't know. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.000 I I love San Diego, but I guess sitting around 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:44.240 watching other guys play gets me going here. Uh. I 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:49.560 decided yesterday or two nights ago to play the your 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.920 ending tournament and Dubai for the European Tour. So I'm 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.000 gonna head out leave here on Saturday to get in 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.200 on Sunday. Yeah. You there's really I've always said there's 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.720 two types of prose. There's the guys that, uh that 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.480 you know, look at it as a job and that's 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.200 what they do. And then there's the guys that are 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.520 just massively passionate about golf and they want to be 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.920 on the golf course. I'm assuming you're in the second 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.720 category there on this time off you've had. I mean, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.320 have you put the clubs away? Is it hard for 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.920 you to put the clubs away? It is? You know, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.240 I say, I'm somewhere in between. I definitely look at 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.240 it as a job. You know, I was supposed to 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.520 use this um this time here. Uh the next event 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.240 I had scheduled it was Tigers event and the Bahamas, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.960 And you know, I got back and I started working 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.000 out and sort of doing sort of an off season 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:39.360 program with my trainer back home in San Diego, and um, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.800 I just I couldn't. I kept getting like notifications and 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.720 my agent kept talking to me about, you know what 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.959 my plan is working by because you know, with the 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.000 win on China, it puts me you know, up nicely 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.160 on it counts for both tours. So I was an 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.880 associate member of the European Tour this year, and I 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.199 don't know, I just felt some sort of responsibility to 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.040 to go out there and and sort of give it 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.880 a go. I guess you know, I've never really been 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.960 to Dubai, and um, I don't know you know how 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.120 many opportunities I'm gonna get to go overseas, uh, you know, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.760 be going over. I can't win the whole, the whole 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.560 race of Dubai because Molinari is too far ahead, but 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.079 I can definitely, you know, play some big golf and 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.880 give it a go and see and see how we do. Yeah, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.240 I mean, it's God. I've always wondered what it must 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.720 be like to be a golfer, you know, of your 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.320 abilities coming off a good week and then you have 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.679 almost set aside time not to play. I mean I've 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.560 always felt like, when you're riding that momentous wave, why 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.640 hang it up? You know what I'm saying? And I mean, 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.439 do you is that part of it. I mean, if 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.000 you come off a victory and there's events out there 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.400 to play, there's there's big events to play with with 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.160 big purses and prestige that comes with it. I mean, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.120 I'm I'm assuming the itches there even more when you're 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.920 coming off the way you played in China. Yeah, it's 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:58.199 it's tricky, you know, when you win. There's no like 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.520 the calendar is it's so interesting to look at just 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.080 because you know, we stop and start right back up. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.800 But this is sort of technically our off season. You know, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.560 this time of year is is when most guys just 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.839 had to shut it down leading into January. So, UM, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.560 I think next year will be interesting with the new calendar. UM, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.760 new season. I guess of how our schedule looks, but 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.160 it varies, you know usually you know, like you said, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.880 when you win, you want to you know, strike it, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.320 strike it while hot, I guess. But I sort of 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.320 won early in this season, but late in the year, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.440 so I am supposed to take some time off, which 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.320 is what I planned. And I just like you said, 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.079 I I can't help myself. You've got to get this 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.160 frequent flyer mode. 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How much are you in 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.400 that position, you know, not being a PGA tour star, 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.800 not being a guy that's already won and it's comfortable 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.319 in life? You know, how closely are you paying attention 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.800 to that? And how were your last two and three 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.160 weeks on the web knowing that if you jump into 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.640 that top twenty five, it's really life changing for a 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.719 young guy. Yeah, it's funny. It's feels like it's been 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.120 such a long time ago, um since being on the web, 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.160 but it was I felt I was a crucial but 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.200 just getting through to score honestly, going before that, you know, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.280 those are some important steps. Uh. The tour is becoming 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.480 so much harder to play on, and I think, you know, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.360 everyone's so aware of it, so there's this added pressure 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.760 of getting through when you have that opportunity, you know 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.960 what I mean? And I was I think, yeah, like 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.400 you said, I missed it a pump Andy Rick by 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.679 nine and something everyone calculated to be like just one 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:36.760 shot anywhere through the whole year. M Yeah, thanks thanks guys, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:41.920 Thanks you telling me that glad I missed that tapped. UM. 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.840 So you know, it was it was an important It 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.360 was good. It was good that I was able to 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.200 push through that that sort of tricky time. You know, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.160 looking at it now, I reflect on it and think 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.800 of it as a tricky time. But at the moment, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.480 you know, I was sort of gunn hole, like my 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.280 head was down. I was sort of turn meant that 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.679 I was gonna sort of walk through this um, this 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.520 whole situation sort of untouched UM. And so I guess 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.160 that's part of the reason why we were able to 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.800 start of clutch up and and and have that life 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.959 changing moment, to have an opportunity to play on the 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.760 PGA Tour. Yeah, I mean, and and I've always wondered 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.719 about the pressures. I mean, I know, you're twenty five, 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.079 and you mentioned, you know, it feels like it was 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.280 just kind of yesterday that that it was there, even 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.160 though it's been you know, like you said, your your 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.720 life has really changed in the two years you've had 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.679 on the PGA Tour. But you know, you've you've been 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.600 under pressure in PGA Tour events. You know, you just 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.320 came off a playoff win against one of the best 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.440 players in the world. But the pressures on the web 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.480 have to feel different because you're playing. I mean, you're 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.360 not just playing for a job. You're not just playing 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.120 for the next season on the PGA tour. But I 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.880 mean every dollar is huge for you in those situations. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.400 What are the pressures like when you compare them and 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.040 when you look at the web versus the pressures you 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.800 feel now with big putts and in big moments. I mean, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.880 it has to feel less life changing than it did 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.160 and you're going through the web as aear old. Yeah, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.000 that's that's that's a good point, I think to compare 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.600 the two. I don't know, it's an interesting question. You know. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.840 On the web, it's it's very what felt like do 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.480 or die? You know, um, if you're not you know, 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.480 if you don't have much money, uh, if people are 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.000 backing you. There's just so many things on the web, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.320 dot com, going a PGA that people don't really see, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.240 like basically, put all your eggs in this one basket 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.840 for this one moment um. It may seem at the 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.560 time obviously, h if you like for me, it was 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.640 sort of that situation, you know, it was. It wasn't 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.920 like the funds verse. You know in the third plus 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.960 here like I wasn't like I was getting paid a ton, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.400 you know, I was barely scraping by. You know, I 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.960 had my buddy outcatting for me. You're staying you know, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.200 this is all part of the process. That's that's part 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.360 of what we call the grind um. So thinking back 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.400 to it, it's just it is. It is crazy because 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.400 you're you're trying to it's more of an internal battle. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.520 I feel like versus a PGA tour. On the PGA Tour, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.360 this is sort of where your actual like dreams and 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.200 goals you've you felt like you've had as a child 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.000 or a kid, this is where you're trying to accomplish him. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:13.680 So that's the pressure you sort of feel out here, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.440 and you know you have more eyes on you, and 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.160 there's just on the PGA Tour, there's it's more of 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.400 a circus. There's so much more going on around you 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.640 besides golf, you know that you have to be aware of. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.880 And on the web dot Com tour, it's sort of 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.040 just you, your caddy and and just everyone else has 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.800 got the same goal of just sort of grinding and 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.240 get through the situation. Because you know, guys are like, 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.359 I have to quit if I don't get through the situation, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.960 you know, this year, Like I'm out of funds, Like 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.240 this is it for me. I'm done if I don't 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.000 clutch up here. So you know, and guys have families, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.640 and the caddies out there aren't making any money either, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.280 So it's not just you who people are relying on. 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.200 So I mean, it's the web dot com to it's 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.320 it's becoming extremely competitive, which just adds that much more 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.560 pressure to whoever is in that situation. Yeah, I mean, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:01.480 you look get I mean I always say, you know, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.600 you mentioned kind of the quote unquote off season. I mean, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.480 these are these are chances for young guys to go 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.240 out and get victories. And we've already obviously seen it 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.800 with Cam Champ, but you know, that's what this PGA 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.360 Tour kind of wrap around season allows is sure, you're 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.840 gonna get a speed here on a Xander here, and 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.560 and a and a Kepta here in the field. But 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.600 for the most part we've seen the last two or 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.040 three years, this is the chance for those guys to 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.400 take a leap. And the funny thing is when you 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.040 take that first leap on the PHA Tour. I mean, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.040 you're talking about wining a million bucks and and as 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.440 you mentioned, the stress of life in a way goes away, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.920 especially when you have two years of comfort. You know, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.720 you're a guy that came from San Diego State and 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.480 uh and I've always said, I mean, you know this 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.680 isn't a comparison in the sense of games, but you know, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.480 you've got a little Zack Johnson and you you know, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.320 Zack Johnson went to Drake and he wasn't some talented 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.360 amateur coming out. I know you've had some success in 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.800 college and you won some amateur events. But when you 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.320 look at the PGA tour, you have guys like Jordan's 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.040 Speed went to Texas, and you have guys like Justin 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.760 Thomas who with Obama, who were quote unquote can't miss 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.080 guys since they were, you know, nine years old. What 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.760 do you feel like changes um when you turn professional 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.000 for a guy like you who didn't go to the 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.760 biggest school in the world, who has been massively successful 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.879 already in his career, versus maybe one of those highly 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.600 touted amateurs that just can't seem to get it going 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.480 once they turned professional. Because we see those types of players, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.920 you know, you know, come through and disappear a lot. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.040 I think the difference would probably be, you know, it 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.840 takes Zack and I the pressures of making it weren't 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.040 you know everyone if you go to Zack's hometown or 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.360 my hometown, you know, everyone believed in us to make it, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:34.880 you know what I mean. It's just not something that 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.679 was covered or talked about. You know, everyone from my 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.880 team believes that I could make it. Obviously, there's pros 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.840 and cons, you know, of being the it guy like 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.440 Jordan and Justin. Everyone's telling these guys, you know, you're 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.439 supposed to make it, You're supposed to be great, You're 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.040 supposed to do all this. So there is an added pressure. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.440 But as along along with the pressure, people have given 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.240 them confident at a young age to tell them, you know, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.359 they were given opportunity through their play. They had opportunity 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.159 to play on the key. Sure they they were successful. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.760 So like their confidence at sixteen or seventeen was something 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.040 that I'm barely touching touching upon now, you know what 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.760 I mean. I didn't have that confidence when I was 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.280 as young as them, because they were so good so early, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.280 and people saw it and talks about it. So there's 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.760 just buzz around them. Um, and I think they weren't. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:21.200 They weren't scared of it, you know what I mean. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.000 When you look at some amateurs that have that buzz 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.520