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Speaker 1: We're in Los Angeles today. It's The Herd. Wherever you

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Speaker 1: may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: making us part of your day. You know, John, Like

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Speaker 1: everybody else, I have to be on my phone from

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Speaker 1: time to time. I'm not a huge fan of sort

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Speaker 1: of the sky is falling sort of narrative constantly on

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Speaker 1: the phone. It gets a lot of clicks. It's grievance,

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Speaker 1: it's outrage, it's the sky is falling, it's doom. I

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Speaker 1: don't buy into that. My favorite sandwich is still peanut

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Speaker 1: butter and jelly. I take naps every day. I still

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Speaker 1: watch television. I've been hearing for years. TV is dying.

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Speaker 1: Everything's up on TV. So I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: a number, John, and you still you're like me. When

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Speaker 1: everybody says you got to get rid of your cable,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I like college football. How do I get

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Speaker 1: rid of cable?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I need to watch my Big Dead football. There's games

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Speaker 1: on cable. So I was thinking about this game seven

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Speaker 1: on ABC delivered the most watched NBA Finals game in

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Speaker 1: six years. People are starving for content. I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: for you. Oh, television is dying. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: watch a lot of it. The NFL's up, the WNBA

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Speaker 1: is up, Indy car Racing is up. The Gold Cup.

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Speaker 1: Our B team against Haiti was up from last year.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Everything's up. Baseball's up now. I do

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Speaker 1: during the regular season because we're becoming very much an

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Speaker 1: event country. But I've never bought into the television it's

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Speaker 1: going away. I heard that about newspapers forty years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I have never been a subscriber to more newspapers

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Speaker 1: than I am today. I like content. The other thing

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Speaker 1: I don't buy into is the NBA is doomed. Global

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Speaker 1: dollars and their number one sponsors YouTube. The NBA is

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Speaker 1: just fine. The other thing I don't believe in is

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Speaker 1: that market size. For years and years I banged on this,

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Speaker 1: the last five years. You could argue that two New

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Speaker 1: York teams in Chicago were the biggest tire fires. You

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Speaker 1: Look at the NBA, Indye, Oklahoma City, Boring, Denver. I

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Speaker 1: It works with young people. It's amazing on social Look

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Speaker 1: It's their favorite sport. It's fine. The TV deal shows that,

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Speaker 1: and the rating shows that. The other thing is, you know,

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Speaker 1: big markets the league is rig for big markets. Let

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Speaker 1: Yep, social media is the market. So yesterday. I don't

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Speaker 1: We know they're not MJ's Bulls. They're not Shaq and Kobe,

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Speaker 4: Catching a lot of heat colin which I know, listen,

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Speaker 4: I know you're not checking your mentions, but I know

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Speaker 4: you got plenty of people on your multiple staffs that

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Speaker 4: come to you and they're like Colin, the internet's ripping you,

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Speaker 4: so can I if I just.

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Speaker 5: Can jump in?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my My only major gripe would be I would

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Speaker 4: I would at the very least flip flop Thunder Warriors.

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Speaker 4: I think you're under selling the Thunder a bit. And

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Speaker 4: I think that Warriors team. It was a great postseason

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Speaker 4: the Thunder at least at four, if not at three.

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Speaker 4: But what people are ripping you for is a version

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Speaker 4: of Lebron James derangement syndrome. How could you have the

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Speaker 4: about one of the most disrespected champions, maybe the most

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Speaker 4: disrespected champion of the last twenty five years. Agree that

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Speaker 4: Laker team started the year twenty four.

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Speaker 5: And three, they earned home.

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Speaker 4: Court advantage throughout the NBA playoffs, did not get that

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Speaker 4: still swept through the West in five games in every series,

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Speaker 4: remarkable Jimmy Butler performance. They then followed that up, well,

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Speaker 4: how did they defend their title the day Lebron James

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Speaker 4: got hurt when Solomon Hill did a somersault into his ankle.

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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Lakers. It was they were twenty eight

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Speaker 4: They had the best record in the entire NBA halfway

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Speaker 4: through the season following their title. I would then add this,

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Speaker 4: Take the best player on all of those champions twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Lebron is eye to eye with twenty three Joker in

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Speaker 6: That was So that.

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Speaker 4: Is here's the deal, Colin. Here's why you know that

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Speaker 4: there is a fan and some media obsession with misremembering

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Speaker 4: the career of Lebron James.

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Speaker 5: Almost all of.

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Speaker 4: The NBA's biggest myths or biggest lies either have to

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Speaker 4: do with tearing down Lebron or uplifting a guy.

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Speaker 5: He's competing with.

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Speaker 4: There isn't a single NBA myth or lie that you're like,

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Speaker 4: oh what, oh, that's interesting that one works in Lebron's favor.

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Speaker 5: No, they all go in one direction.

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Speaker 4: And the idea that the twenty twenty Lakers got lucky

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Speaker 4: things I've ever heard, but it's what everybody says.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it should be noted it was

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Speaker 1: the only time in my life in the playoffs where

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Speaker 1: young teams overwhelmingly flourished because the older, married players missed

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Speaker 1: their kids and family, and the Lakers were an old team.

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Speaker 1: They were the only old NBA team with veterans that

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Speaker 1: crushed all the other so they had to fight, you know,

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Speaker 1: You have kids and family, you don't want to go

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Speaker 1: to four week Roadian or Land. So the bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. People forget how good they were to

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Speaker 1: start that season. They were dominant through twenty seven to

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Speaker 5: They rolled through the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: They then had the best record in the NBA at

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Speaker 4: the midway point of the next season. They were the

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Speaker 4: favorites the day Lebron got hurt. They were the Vegas

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Speaker 4: total recreation of history. We all agree that with I

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Speaker 4: think the only real other controversy. You're probably undersilling thunder

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Speaker 4: a bit, but otherwise finalists, you shouldn't have gotten dragged

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Speaker 5: I have your back up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I said this about Kevin Durant is that

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand his lack of market I'm like, listen,

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Speaker 1: players like him. He doesn't need the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: not a great defender. But Houston has so much damn length,

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Speaker 1: a this is a mi You don't have to bake him.

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Speaker 1: He's a microwave player. You need about four practices in

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Speaker 1: Houston is a great fit. Let's start with this. Were

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Speaker 1: sign a couple of big years. I'm like, bench guys

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Speaker 4: Well, so I wasn't surprised by the market, because I

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Speaker 4: do think you have to thread the needle of like

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Speaker 4: I don't think Kevin Durant would have made as much

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Speaker 4: since for San Antonio or Miami because neither one of

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Speaker 4: those teams are Kevin Durant away from winning a championship.

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Speaker 5: And when you.

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Speaker 4: Trade for him, what you are really trading for is

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Speaker 4: this coming season, and you hope next season as well,

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Speaker 4: the twenty seven season, and then after that he'll be

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Speaker 4: forty and it's probably in a different situation. So I

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Speaker 4: understood the market, but I agree with you wholeheartedly in

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Speaker 4: this regard. This is the perfect trade for Houston. So

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Speaker 4: Houston replaces Jalen Green, who in the playoffs, despite having

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Speaker 4: I think a thirty seven point single game, averaged thirteen

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Speaker 4: than thirty percent from three. He could not make a shot,

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Speaker 4: he could not create a shot, and you replace him

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Speaker 4: with one of the best shot makers and shot creators

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Speaker 4: now a starting lineup of Van Bliet, who's a steady champ.

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Speaker 4: And you didn't decimate your bench coming off the bench.

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Speaker 4: You still have Tarry Eason, Steve Adams, Reied Shepherd who

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Speaker 4: they took in the top five last year. But Udoka didn't,

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Speaker 4: a lot in cam Whitmore. You go nine deep, you

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Speaker 4: In its division, you will pick to win that division,

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Speaker 4: I respect that because that's going to mean there are

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Speaker 4: the Bengals are one of them. According to John. So

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this much.

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna be the Chiefs without a chair, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I also this, right, of course this is

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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan at the expense of Lebron James. And so

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Speaker 4: Like you close your eyes and you think of Lebron,

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Speaker 4: only only young people think. Young Ish people think that

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go down the middle of the lane, jump

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Speaker 4: He wasn't this mid range assassin he became later in

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Speaker 4: There is not a single person alive who was a

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Speaker 4: Cooper Flag is his date of birth. He reclassified he

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Speaker 4: So the fact that Cooper Flag does basically everything pretty

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Speaker 4: It feels to me like Cooper Flagg, you know, is

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Speaker 4: Do I think he's a no doubt consensus first overall?

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Speaker 1: A lot of things going on NBA Draft tomorrow. There's

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Speaker 9: This is the herdline news Well that NFL team up

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Speaker 9: entering year two, he's expected to take a bigger role

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Speaker 9: on offense. He talked about his growing relationship with quarterback

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Speaker 9: Brock perty.

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Speaker 10: He is the same person no matter what you know

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Speaker 10: I've It's almost like I kind of knew a side

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Speaker 10: of Brock when I've seen him from Afar, you know,

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Speaker 10: being in college and watching him, because he he doesn't change.

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Speaker 10: That's one What's the one thing about Brock that I

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Speaker 10: really respect. You know, he's the same person, and you know,

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Speaker 10: I think that everybody in the building and feels comfortable

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Speaker 10: and feels the same way a Brock Brock, just because

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Speaker 10: the way he carries himself and you know, he's he's

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Speaker 10: about his business.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love the Ricky Pearsall pick because at the

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Speaker 1: time it was like Debo and I, Yuke and Jennings,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't you're over drafting wide receiver. Then

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Speaker 1: there was the near tragedy which but I will say

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Speaker 1: in that offense, and you know the Niners better than

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Speaker 1: any person I know. In that offense, the Shanahan offense,

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Speaker 1: it does feel like he's now that Debo's gone. He's

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Speaker 1: a good fit.

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Speaker 9: He showed signs of life last year at the end

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Speaker 9: of the season. After the catch is big with Kyle right.

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Speaker 9: Hit the ball in your hands and then make plays.

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Speaker 9: That's what Debo became a star. I Yuke's really good

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Speaker 9: at that. The problem is no, I mean, his toughness

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Speaker 9: he got shot and played in the season was incredible.

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Speaker 9: But he's been injured a lot with football injuries. When

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Speaker 9: they drafted him hamstring, shoulder, he was injured in OTAs

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Speaker 9: or you know the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 6: Brandon at Yuke is hurt right right now.

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Speaker 9: So you have major question marks with the skill group.

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Speaker 9: They need this guy to be a good player. I

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Speaker 9: mean there's a lot of pressure part of making a transition.

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Speaker 9: How the Rams did it when they you know, went

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Speaker 9: through their roster, was they drafted well, so you draft

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Speaker 9: a guy in the first round. There's a spotlight on

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Speaker 9: Ricky Pierson well, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Hooper was aging and Poka Nakua emerged, sure, otherwise they'd

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Speaker 1: be in big trouble right now wide receiver.

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Speaker 9: I mean, Jenning's a good player, but he can't be

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Speaker 9: her one, So I mean they need both these guys.

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Speaker 6: They'd kittle McCaffrey coming back.

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Speaker 9: I'm still bullish on the forty nine ers because their schedule,

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Speaker 9: but a lot of question marks coming into the season. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: speaking of we just talked about this, the emergence of

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Speaker 9: Daniel Jones, mainly because Anthony Richardson has been shelved most

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Speaker 9: of the OTA's in mini camp with a shoulder injury

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Speaker 9: earlier this month, that it's opened the door for dj

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Speaker 9: According to a recent report, Jones has built a significant

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Speaker 9: lead over Richardson to start for the Colts in his

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Speaker 9: quarterback one moving forward.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me. I've always said he's not quite

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Speaker 1: as fluid as Alex Smith. He's a little more I

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Speaker 1: feel like he's sometimes a little bit more rigid. But

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Speaker 1: he's a bigger, stronger version of Alex the athlete. His

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Speaker 1: straight line speed is good. He went to Dooke. He's

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Speaker 1: he's got to be bright. He's a big strong I

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Speaker 1: mean I had a friend who was next to him

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Speaker 1: in an event about a year ago. He's way bigger

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Speaker 1: than you think. So you know, I always felt they

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Speaker 1: drafted him. They saw physically, they saw the next d

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Speaker 1: Lin Manning, and Eli's really special. But he did make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and he had no support system. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Colts have a better O line than the Giants. Sure,

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Speaker 1: the Colts have better skilled people now than the Giants do.

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Speaker 1: So he'll have more to work with than Shane Stike

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Speaker 1: and most like him more than day Balling to vote

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Speaker 1: very good.

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Speaker 9: I think football is a lot who believes in you,

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Speaker 9: and he go back to Alex Smith. Jim Harbaugh believed

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Speaker 9: in him a couple of years ago, the Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 9: Tampa believed in him last year, the last couple of

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Speaker 9: years of Sam Darnold, from Kyle Shanahan to Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 9: now to John Schneider. I think this team not only

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Speaker 9: believe they need this guy. And let's face it, the

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Speaker 9: Anthey Richardson. He is the new version of Trey Lance.

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Speaker 9: They swung for the fences that they whiffed. Did this

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Speaker 9: thing's over before it even started?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Richardson is one of those. He only played thirteen

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Speaker 1: college games at Florida so you were taking a bit

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Speaker 1: of a gamble. But again I go back to Chris Fallard,

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Speaker 1: I lose luck. I swing the fence on Wentz, who

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Speaker 1: people were like, whoa, he was very good, actually twenty

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Speaker 1: seven touchdowns and then you go get a really old

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and that hit. They were looking to bridge

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Speaker 1: the gap with the Kansas cities of the league in

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Speaker 1: Buffalos and Baltimore's and they're like, listen, the kid physically

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Speaker 1: is insanely talented. And I think they looked at the

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Speaker 1: AFC and thought, well, we don't have a quarterback. We're

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Speaker 1: going to roll the dice.

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Speaker 9: I think it's hard sometimes when you pigeonhole yourself. The

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Speaker 9: Steelers are going to be in this position. We've seen

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Speaker 9: other teams where you've got to take a quarterback that's

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Speaker 9: you know, the Belichick did it with Mac Jones, the

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Speaker 9: Steelers did it with Kenny Pickett. When you can just

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Speaker 9: let's just take this guy, Dak Prescott, Brock Birdie hurts in.

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Speaker 2: The second round.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes it's an easier landing spot for that player and

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Speaker 9: there's less pressure.

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Speaker 6: This Anthony Richardson Trey Lance.

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Speaker 9: You go all in for him and then immediately high expectations.

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Speaker 9: It blows up in your face real quick. Okay, how

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Speaker 9: about Dodgers owner Mark Walter. He made headlines last week

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Speaker 9: after buying the majority share of the Lakers for ten

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Speaker 9: billion dollars. With the change in ownership, the belief is

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Speaker 9: that LA is now in a position to make some

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Speaker 9: significant moves moving forward, and Draymond Green recognizes the position

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Speaker 9: the Lakers are in.

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Speaker 8: Jeanie Buss and the Bus family were one of the

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Speaker 8: least wealthiest families as far as money goes. They had

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Speaker 8: the big asset in which they just sold, but that

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Speaker 8: was that's kind of the source of their income. Now

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Speaker 8: you got to owner with the deep pockets. He don't say, well, no,

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Speaker 8: I don't need that money. Take all of that money

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Speaker 8: and put it back into the team and go get

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Speaker 8: me this guy, and go give me that guy. And

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Speaker 8: let's let's let's booth do whatever we want to do

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Speaker 8: with this roster. We'll pay the tax, we'll do this.

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Speaker 8: And so I think with getting this new ownership group,

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Speaker 8: it makes the Lakers so danger.

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Speaker 1: Well, the downside to being the Lakers, well, here's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that Laker fans have to realize. Your

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Speaker 1: entire brand was built on the ability to seek and

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Speaker 1: land the superstar. Those days are over now unless you

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Speaker 1: want to pay just an I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: the penalties are now for blowing through taps. But if

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Speaker 1: you look at the Aprons and you look at the

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Speaker 1: new CBA, you may have a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: want to play for you once you pay Luca and

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Speaker 1: for the next two years Lebron's there's limitations on what

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Speaker 1: they can fay. They need a center, there's limitations on

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Speaker 1: what they can pay to get one unless they move

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves. So they always were the team. The Miami

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Speaker 1: Heat with Riley and the Lakers were like if there

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Speaker 1: was a top free agent there, you knew they always

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Speaker 1: got a call. People like in a Winter League going

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Speaker 1: to Miami and going to LA. The league and the

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Speaker 1: Aprons and the cbatch a different ballgame.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 9: To me, it's less about the players because of the

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Speaker 9: Aprons and that you know, most of the teams are

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Speaker 9: playing on the same level playing field.

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Speaker 6: In terms of how much you can.

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Speaker 9: Spend, I guess you can spend more on tax money,

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Speaker 9: but you can't really acquire more players that way. It's

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Speaker 9: more about what you can do off the court into me.

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Speaker 9: You know one Bob Myers, la guy went to UCLA.

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Speaker 9: Polinka remember him and Magic have a weird relationship. Magic's

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Speaker 9: part of Washington and the Commander's operation. You know who

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Speaker 9: I saw sitting in the draft room was Bob Myers

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Speaker 9: for the Washington Commanders. A lot of connections there, from

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Speaker 9: pat Riley to Phil Jackson to Jared They like these

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Speaker 9: big stars.

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Speaker 6: Bob Myers looks the part, so does Pelinka.

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Speaker 9: But you wonder if this comes full circle, because that's

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Speaker 9: what they did when they bought the Dodgers, right, they.

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Speaker 6: Brought in their guy, Andrew free Well.

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Speaker 1: Bob Myers lives in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you you can see it coming from a

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Speaker 6: mile away.

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Speaker 2: He ran a team.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 9: I think the Warriors spent almost seven hundred million dollars

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Speaker 9: in tax money, but they were winning championships and it

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Speaker 9: was worth it. A guy that has experience with the dynasty,

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Speaker 9: I do think that Magic Polenka relationship could kind of

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Speaker 9: come full circle here now with the Dodgers gaining control.

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Speaker 9: Not great for Polinka, who, in fairness, pulled off one

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Speaker 9: of the greatest heights in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: Oh they also got Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 6: He's got a good job.

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Speaker 1: No, no, the Westbrook move whatever, but they've done they

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Speaker 1: haven't they. I'll defend Polenka. He's made some nice moves

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Speaker 1: and the Luca one will go on. You know his

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia page as one of the great steals in late history. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just ran into Bob Myers. He was right down the street,

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Speaker 1: just slit the part. Huh. And it's one of the

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Speaker 1: most gracious, likable people I've ever met in sports. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the love great guy. John Middelkoff with the News.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Patino is gonna come on our show tomorrow, and I

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Speaker 1: mean almost a savant with his knowledge and understanding basketball

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Speaker 1: and what he did for Saint John's. You know, when

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Speaker 1: Louis Carnaseca left, they just tried a lot of different people,

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Speaker 1: capable people in Saint John's and it didn't work. And

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Speaker 1: Rick Patino arrived and suddenly they were really good, really fast.

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Speaker 1: I watched. I mean, I couldn't say the last time

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Speaker 1: I was that into Saint John's. It was the Louis

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Speaker 1: carnosecond days. So he's gonna come on tomorrow with the draft.

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Speaker 1: There is one player in this draft I think making

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Speaker 1: a big mistake, and we'll talk about that coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and neon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 9: Alex Pulo looks to continue his legendary season and hold

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Speaker 9: off Award Newgarden, Kirkwood and the rest of the pack

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Speaker 9: as the IndyCar Series.

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Speaker 6: Roles in the midd Ohio July sixth on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So a couple stories. First of all, Ace Bailey, who

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Speaker 1: was not the best player on Rutgers this year. The

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Speaker 1: best player is going to get drafted number two, the

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Speaker 1: guard Harper, and Ace Bailey was a big He's not

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Speaker 1: a playmaker. One assist a game, takes a lot of

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Speaker 1: tough shots. He's talented, he's long, but he is the

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Speaker 1: mystery man of the draft. He's trying to manipulate the

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Speaker 1: draft before he's in the league. He's not actually going

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Speaker 1: to workouts. And I think it's a big mistake because

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Speaker 1: I think this is a very rich draft, and so

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Speaker 1: maybe it was. If it was an awful draft, he'd

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Speaker 1: have more leverage and you know, this is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of Shador Sanders and John because he's a former

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Speaker 1: scout and has a lot of sources in the league.

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Speaker 1: You and I were talking this morning. This is a

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Speaker 1: little what Dion and Shadeur did where we're going to

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Speaker 1: try to pick the team before we're in the league.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of the good teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 9: let's say the playoff teams want to talk to shade

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Speaker 9: or Sanders during the draft process. Well, he declined, because

654
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Speaker 9: of course they have quarterbacks and their mindset is, well, one,

655
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Speaker 9: you're not gonna go as high as you think.

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Speaker 6: And two people move now right, gms move.

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Speaker 9: Quarterbacks are constantly traded, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields,

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Speaker 9: Mac Jones.

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Speaker 6: Look how many teams all these guys have already been on.

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Speaker 9: Look at the NBA for example, SGA and Tyler's Tyrese

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Speaker 9: Holliborton were both traded within a year and a year

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Speaker 9: and a half of this start of their career. So,

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Speaker 9: unless you are Cooper Flag or Lebron James or Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 9: it does you a disservice to me in the draft

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Speaker 9: process to literally not talk to everybody because that guy

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Speaker 9: in two years could be acquiring you and then extending you.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now John Elway, who by the way, is still to

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Speaker 1: this day the greatest quarterback prospect ever, he did say

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Speaker 1: using leverage, I'm not playing for this team. But Elway

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Speaker 1: would talk to teams. Elway just said I'm not playing

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Speaker 1: for the Colts because they're a tire fire and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to play for him. That's different than Shadu

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Speaker 1: Or who was a B to a B minus prospect,

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Speaker 1: saying I'm not talking to the good teams and then

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Speaker 1: his dad during Super Bowl Week says we're not going

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Speaker 1: to the bad teams. So he shrunk his market to

679
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Speaker 1: a tiny market. This kid in a very good draft

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Speaker 1: and he's the kind of player. He's not a playmaker.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily play well with others. Which, as we're

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Speaker 1: watching the NBA, that's the league.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The league is not about your bag. The league is Halliburton,

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Speaker 1: The league is SGA, The league is Tatum. Can you

686
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Speaker 1: because you can't stack stars, do you play well with others?

687
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Speaker 1: And Ace Bailey not necessarily. You know, he's not a playmaker.

688
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Speaker 1: You don't get any assists out of him. So I

689
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Speaker 1: think this is a big mistake.

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Speaker 9: Even Caleb Williams remember the controversy with the dad and

691
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Speaker 9: you know you had talked about it. He was going

692
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Speaker 9: to meetings. We all knew he's going number one to Chicago.

693
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Speaker 9: He's still meeting with Minnesota, like you. It does you

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Speaker 9: a big disservice your can I think you know your

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Speaker 9: brand to not talk to all these gms and coaches.

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Speaker 6: These aren't difficult. You're just talking about basketball or football.

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Speaker 6: This isn't rocket science. It's not that compliment.

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Speaker 1: I think anytime you're going into any industry, have as

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Speaker 1: many allies and friends as you can. You talk to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Here's a second thing. So yesterday, it's so funny, So

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Speaker 1: we do prep. John's been sitting in on the prep

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Speaker 1: here and you know, he's first time on our show,

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Speaker 1: has heard line has been great, and he's kind of

704
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Speaker 1: sitting in our process. It's about an hour and a

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Speaker 1: half process and we just go through the day's stories.

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Speaker 1: And yesterday the last thing we threw in we were

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Speaker 1: done with our prep and I said, you know, seven

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Speaker 1: year seven champs, I'm just gonna rank them. And we

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Speaker 1: spent about five minutes on it, I said, bang bang

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Speaker 1: bang bank, this got apparently big play. I stay off

711
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Speaker 1: my phone in the afternoons. This apparently got big play.

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Speaker 1: So I put the Lakers number one. And my reasoning was, well,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis was the two. And if you say, it's

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis better than Jalen Brown the Celtics two.

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is he better than Jamal Murray the Nuggets too? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Was he better than like Andrew Wiggins or Draymond the warriorship?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Was he better than Chris Middleton?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is he better than chet Holmgren or who was the

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Speaker 1: two for the Raptors, Fred van Vliet, you know whoever

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Speaker 1: it was. My take is Lebron was outside of Jokic,

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Speaker 1: arguably better than all the ones because Lebron was closer

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Speaker 1: his prime and Anthony Davis was easily the best two.

726
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Speaker 1: And if you have the two best players and you

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Speaker 1: forget that team had Caruso and KCP. But we didn't

728
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Speaker 1: know what Caruso was. Well, Sam Prestyt Oklahoma City, did

729
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Speaker 1: he went to Chicago? He was excellent. He was excellent

730
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Speaker 1: for OKAC. So people just didn't know what Caruso was.

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Speaker 1: He's really good player who plays a lot and can

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Speaker 1: defend multiple positions. And KCP has always been a shop maker.

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Speaker 1: But Alex Caruso, who I like. I've seen him live

734
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Speaker 1: play several times. He's a strong guy, size, excellent defender.

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Speaker 1: He was on the Laker team and he's on this

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Speaker 1: OKC team, and he down played a little of that

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Speaker 1: PREVIEU and COVID championship with the Lakers. Now I got

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Speaker 1: a real one. I don't know if you can say anything.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think just because of the way the team

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Speaker 11: is constructed now versus the team I had in twenty twenty, Like,

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Speaker 11: it was much harder with this team just because of

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Speaker 11: the experience, right, And everybody talked about any experience to

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Speaker 11: win a championship. For me, I've seen greates do it,

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Speaker 11: so I knew, I knew the way. I knew, I

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Speaker 11: knew the mindset. But to see these guys do it, man,

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Speaker 11: it's it's really cool to see it in person, and

747
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Speaker 11: I'm so happy for the guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know why I was harder this

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Speaker 1: time because he didn't have Lebron and Ad. That's why

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Speaker 1: it was harder because that team was better than this team. Yeah,

752
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Speaker 1: that team had all of the experience. That's why they

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Speaker 1: would have beaten this team. Okay, Lebron, outside of Jokic

754
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Speaker 1: was better than all the other team's best player. Give

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Speaker 1: me a break on Yannis, he still can't shoot a umper.

756
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Speaker 1: And Ad was the best two and they had really

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Speaker 1: good players behind them in good depth. So yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was weird. Here's how I look at COVID. Anybody in

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Speaker 1: any industry who succeeded deserves credit. I'm the opposite of

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Speaker 1: the market. The market is telling you, well, what a break?

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Speaker 1: A break? Do you know how hard it was to

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Speaker 1: perform with COVID. I mean here at Fox, in the building,

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Speaker 1: there were arrows on what bathrooms you could use just

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Speaker 1: getting through the building. Here was the matrix. So anybody

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Speaker 1: in any industry, if you're a financial planner, if you're

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Speaker 1: a nurse, if you're a basketball player, anybody that succeeded

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Speaker 1: with all that sort of drama and trauma we were

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Speaker 1: all dealing with for a year and a half. I

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Speaker 1: got your back. I think it and Nick Wright talked

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Speaker 1: about this earlier. We forget how good that Laker team

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Speaker 1: was before the league shut down.

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Speaker 5: Twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Lebron is eye to eye with twenty three Joker in

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Speaker 4: twenty one Giannis, and take the second best player on

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Speaker 4: all those champions. Twenty twenty Anthony Davis is markedly better

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Speaker 4: than any of these other team's second best player. The

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Speaker 4: idea that the twenty twenty Lakers got lucky by the

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Speaker 4: bubble being no home court advantage when they had home

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Speaker 4: court advantage is one of the most ridiculous things I've

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Speaker 4: ever heard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were twenty four in the league when the

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Speaker 1: league shut down, and they would have had home court advantage.

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Speaker 1: Where when lebron gets home court advantage when the best

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Speaker 1: the top two tenem have home court advantage in NBA

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Speaker 1: playoff history. Unlike the Celtics this year, the Lakers were

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Speaker 1: good at home, so it was a major, major disadvantage

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Speaker 1: that they were the best team. Then they fly through

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Speaker 1: it win All the other older veteran teams regressed and

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Speaker 1: just kind of unraveled because they missed their families. Older

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Speaker 1: players have families and kids. Older teams. The Lakers had

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Speaker 1: to deal with a lot of drama. They had the

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Speaker 1: two best players were older players, and they just dealt

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Speaker 1: with it. The following year they came back, they were

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Speaker 1: still the best team in the league, and then Lebron

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Speaker 1: got hurt, rolled on his Solomon, rolled on his leg.

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Speaker 1: As Nick pointed out, So the way I always looked

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Speaker 1: at COVID, it didn't matter the profession. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if you're a podcaster or a physician. If you flourished

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Speaker 1: during COVID, you get credit. I'm just going to give

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Speaker 1: you credit. I don't think it was easy, and I

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Speaker 1: think for the record, I acknowledge for the radio audience,

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Speaker 1: I'm showing the seven best teams in order. It was Lakers, Celtics, Nuggets, Warriors, Bucks,

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Speaker 1: under Raptors. I acknowledged the Celtics had the better overall roster,

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Speaker 1: but it should be noted you want to know who

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Speaker 1: won championships during COVID, Tom Brady and Lebron the two

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Speaker 1: most focused professional athletes of my life. Oh yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers did too. So it's not like it was who

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Speaker 1: won the World Series, the Pittsburgh Pirates, you know who

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Speaker 1: won the you know, start looking at who won Brady,

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Speaker 1: Lebron and the Dodgers. So this idea that it was

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Speaker 1: this quirky COVID thing where all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: Washington Wizards won the NBA title. Then I would discount

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Speaker 1: it because they've been dog food for twenty years. But

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Speaker 1: it was big brands, focused stars. I'm good with it,

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Speaker 1: and John hates the Lakers, so this doesn't go over well.

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Speaker 9: It pains me to say that the Warriors you could

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Speaker 9: have had them last. It's kind of It was the

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Speaker 9: defining championship for Steph Curry, but it was his worst team.

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Speaker 6: That their team. I get backing up.

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Speaker 1: I give him credit because I thought Wiggins was the

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Speaker 1: best he ever was as a Warrior. I think Steve

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Speaker 1: curR is arguably the best coach on that entire list.

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Speaker 1: So and Steph Curry had some phenomenal games in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So I got a great player, a great coach, best

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Speaker 1: defensive player at all time, and playoff experience. I probably

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Speaker 1: had the Warriors maybe a slot hid