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Speaker 3: Here on the Herd, It's me Jason McIntyre joined by

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Speaker 3: Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 4: We are in for Cowherd.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, I might plugin was not really working there,

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Speaker 3: but now we're fine. Rachel, I'm about to unveil my

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl tiers. It's going to make a certain fan

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Speaker 3: days very I'm worried. I'm not gonna lie. I've seen

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Speaker 3: these tears. I'm a worried about you.

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Speaker 5: So it's funny.

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Speaker 3: Rachel is very caught off guard and she's wearing Chiefs red.

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Speaker 3: I believe today she was caught off guard yesterday by

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs in the meeting and like laughing and I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh ray, so nice.

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Speaker 3: And then today when I unveil my tears, she was

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Speaker 3: really caught off guard.

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Speaker 6: So listen.

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Speaker 7: Bruce Taylor Swift red by the Way Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Apologies yet.

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Speaker 3: So Bruce Feldman, my guy, he's coming up in five

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Speaker 3: minutes talking about Yeah, college football, I Notre Dame Miami.

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Speaker 3: We need to talk a little more about that. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: let me do my Super Bowl tiers. All right, folks,

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Speaker 3: here we go. So we have four tiers of the

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Speaker 3: teams that can win the Super Bowl. And let's get started,

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Speaker 3: shall we.

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Speaker 8: All right?

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Speaker 3: Tier number one, faux show for sure. These teams are

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Speaker 3: the elite, the best of the best. Baltimore Ravens, no

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Speaker 3: doubt about it, need no explanation. Josh Allen's Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 3: the phi let Out FIA Eagles been defending Super Bowl champs.

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Speaker 3: I don't need to explain those three. Now the Niners,

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Speaker 3: some people are gonna be surprised by. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 3: let's be obvious. Don't read too much into what happened

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Speaker 3: last season.

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Speaker 5: They were a.

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Speaker 3: Mass unit, and I know the wide receiver room has

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Speaker 3: some issues. Currently, they're going to be fine. Okay, this

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Speaker 3: is a schedule based prediction. That's why they're Super Bowl contenders.

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Speaker 3: I also like to move bringing back Robert Sala Go.

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Speaker 3: Look at the quarterbacks they face this year. Guys, it

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Speaker 3: is a cakewalk. They should be fine. I think they'll

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Speaker 3: probably get the number one or two seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 3: The forty nine ers should be in the four shore

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Speaker 3: super Bowl contender list. All right, let's go to the

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Speaker 3: second tier, a little larger, a little more robust.

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Speaker 4: The Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have the Packers in the four reel category,

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Speaker 3: joined by the Atlanta Falcons. I don't mind revealing. When

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Speaker 3: I was in Vegas last week, I bet the Falcons

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Speaker 3: to win the division and yes, win the NFC A

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Speaker 3: bit of a flyer. The offensive line injuries has me

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Speaker 3: concerned right now. But nevertheless, Denver Broncos in the four

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Speaker 3: reel category. That defense should be the best in the league.

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Speaker 3: And I think the Nix Peyton combo is much better

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Speaker 4: They probably could get bumped up to one now.

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Speaker 3: That Saffer's fine, but as Rachel noted, the left tackle

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Speaker 3: He is just going to keep throwing to keep the

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Speaker 3: Bengals in every game. And I do believe offense should

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Speaker 3: keep them in the Super Bowl contending category. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to the third tier of super Bowl contenders. Hey, there

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Speaker 3: they are carry gout for now. The Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 3: are a super Bowl contender. Yes, I had them missing

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. Yes, the tackles are an issue. I don't

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Speaker 3: care how good the Ohio State kids looked in practice.

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Speaker 3: Is a long season, folks. The running back situation is dicey.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelce. I'm not going to use the washed word. Oops,

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Speaker 3: Course the defense. I mean, Jalen Hurts just put a

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Speaker 5: I have Detroit and four.

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Speaker 3: Now I also have them missing the playoffs. I know

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Speaker 4: I have them in the playoffs. Houston Texas, I just.

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Speaker 5: Don't love them.

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Speaker 3: They got entire new offensive line. Yes, the defense will

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Speaker 3: keep them in gains, Yes, the divisions, but that offensive

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Speaker 4: I have Jacksonville here, They're my surprise team.

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Speaker 3: I think that offense isn't going to rival the Bengals,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this this can't be real. And then finally,

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Speaker 3: for your consideration, the Minnesota Vikings. Yes, I'm buying ja

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Speaker 3: Jim McCarthy and those are my Super Bowl contender tears.

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Speaker 3: So listen, there's some news breaking. I don't know is

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Speaker 3: this Are we sure about this? Come on, guys, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to go with that if it's not accurate.

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Speaker 3: So let's bring on Bruce Feldman, my guy college football analyst,

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Speaker 3: covers the sport for Fox. Bruce in his just awesome

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Speaker 3: family room there, looking sharp as ever, new haircut, ready

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Speaker 3: for the season. Bruce, what's the excitement level for you?

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Speaker 3: Texas Ohio State.

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Speaker 8: Can't wait, Jason.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is the best week one we've ever

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Speaker 9: had in college football. You have one Verse two matchup

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Speaker 9: as obviously you remember Texas was knocked out of the

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Speaker 8: You have new coordinators.

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Speaker 9: At Ohio State on both sides of the ball, including

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Speaker 9: Matt Patrichudo's never really coached in college football and now

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Speaker 9: he's got to defend arch.

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Speaker 8: That's huge.

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Speaker 9: You got two other top ten matchups later that weekend.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's.

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Speaker 3: Let me just quickly ask about this Matt Patricia. He

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Speaker 3: But as you said, he's had all off season to

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Speaker 3: prepare for Art. He's also got maybe the best defensive

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Speaker 8: It's going to be.

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Speaker 9: Interesting to see what kind of answers does he have.

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Speaker 9: Does he do a lot of what Jim Knowles, who

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Speaker 9: such a good job for Ohio Sate. As you mentioned

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Speaker 9: Caleb Downs, their safety. I think he's the best defensive

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Speaker 9: player in the country. He's just a unique chess piece

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Speaker 9: because he's so smart and what they can do with them.

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Speaker 9: They have two elite linebackers who are really special athletes

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Speaker 8: The d line is.

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Speaker 9: Mostly new right. They have talent there, but it's new guys.

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Speaker 9: The part that I think I'm most curious about in

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Speaker 9: a lot of new guys and it's a tough road environment.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we'll see how Patricia does, you know, long

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Speaker 9: term this season. It reminds me a little bit of

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Speaker 8: Wink Martindale, who hadn't been in college.

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Speaker 9: He stepped in it at Michigan and it was a

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Speaker 9: mismatch Sark versus wink Martindale. Early in the year, Stark's

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Speaker 9: still there is a more mobile quarterback, albeit less experience.

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Speaker 9: And it's also a new offensive line though, and that's

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Speaker 9: the part where I'm fascinated to see how Arch does

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Speaker 8: Be feeling its way out in a very hostile setting.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you, Bruce, are you surprised that Arch

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Speaker 3: did not throw a pass at all in the SEC

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Speaker 4: The two playoff games?

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Speaker 3: They had a couple of running packages for him, but

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Speaker 3: not one pass. To me, to an outsider, that's kind

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Speaker 3: of a lack of confidence in him getting it done

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Speaker 3: in a big spot. Or was there dynamic with Queen

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Speaker 3: youwers that maybe I don't understand.

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Speaker 8: No, I just think it's in the moment.

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Speaker 9: Look when mid season Georgia comes in there and they

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Speaker 9: are slaughtering Texas, they bench Ewers, give Arch a chance.

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Speaker 9: Arch gave him a smart for a second, and then

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Speaker 9: Georgia just overwhelmed him too.

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Speaker 8: I think I wouldn't read too.

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Speaker 9: Much into anything that happened last year with that Texas team.

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Speaker 9: You know, remember the year before Texas came very close

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Speaker 9: and Michael Pennix. You know, it wasn't like yours is

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Speaker 9: it was just about like, hey, let's make sure when

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Speaker 9: Arch is really ready, he's ready to go. And I

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Speaker 9: think having an all a full off season to kind

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Speaker 9: it's probably ideal for them. But I you know again,

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't you can always second guest play callers.

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Speaker 8: On both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't, you know, see Starkeys, it's as good as

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Speaker 9: there is in college football, especially in like third down

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Speaker 9: stuff and different you know things. Obviously you can hindsight

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Speaker 9: his twenty twenty I'm sure there's a bunch of calls

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Speaker 9: in that game. Sark would have loved to have back,

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Speaker 9: but credit to Jim and Oles, he had answers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to Miami. Notre Dame obviously a rich

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Speaker 3: history between these two.

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Speaker 4: I'm on the.

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Speaker 3: Irish here, but there are some questions about Notre Dame

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Speaker 3: Where are you on this matchup?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not just the running back you're talking about.

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Speaker 9: Jeremiah Love is fantastic. That running back room is deep

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Speaker 8: Price. They have some young backs they really like. But

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Speaker 8: again CJ.

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Speaker 9: Carr, you know, he's a talented passer, but this is

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Speaker 9: his first big test, right And they're going to Miami

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Speaker 9: and this is a completely new defense. And I'm not

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Speaker 9: saying how it's going to go for Matt Patricier or not.

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Speaker 9: But in Corey Heatherman, we have a much more experienced

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Speaker 9: You can't get so over your skis on the draft

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Speaker 8: I like them.

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Speaker 9: And unlike the Buck guys, this defensive line Clemson has.

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Speaker 8: They were like out of it last year.

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Speaker 8: But Brian Kelly's put so much in this game.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Texas Tech in there anywhere, Bruce, that's

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Speaker 9: in the playoff, but you never know what the big twelve.

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Speaker 9: The teams you think are going to be really good

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Speaker 9: just bottom out, and the teams you don't expect much

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Speaker 9: from they end up surging.

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Speaker 5: All right, Last one, real quick.

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Speaker 3: Bryce Underwood is the new quarterback at Michigan. This is

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Speaker 3: the kid who got like a ton of money, right,

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Speaker 3: wasn't he heavily recruited by some some donor. He flipped

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Speaker 3: from LSU to Michigan. What's the status on the Wolverines here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's going to be the guy.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's six six four two point thirty, can

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Speaker 9: really run. You know, he was the top ranked high

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Speaker 9: school quarterback in the country last year. He's got, you know,

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Speaker 9: high level playmaking skills. Everybody down there is excited about him.

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Speaker 9: But he's still a true freshman quarterback. The thing that

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Speaker 9: would that would give me pause about him is he's

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Speaker 9: a true freshman quarterback and there is not a ton

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Speaker 9: of elite talent around him.

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Speaker 8: On offense.

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Speaker 9: He does not have anything close to what Penn State

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Speaker 9: has in the running back room. He has nothing close

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Speaker 9: to what Julian's saying at Ohio State has from the

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Speaker 9: receiver room. You know, the all line is not what

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Speaker 9: it used to be when JJ McCarthy was playing behind it.

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Speaker 8: Then they had like one of the best old lines

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Speaker 8: in the country.

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Speaker 9: I think right now it's pretty good, but I don't

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Speaker 9: know if it's any more than that.

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Speaker 8: Last year it wasn't even that, you know. And by

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Speaker 8: the way, last year.

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Speaker 9: They had Kalel Mullings who they leaned on and really

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Speaker 9: won some games for them. That guy's gone. I think

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Speaker 9: they're more of an eight and four kind of team.

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Speaker 9: I'm fascinated to see how he does. You have a

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Speaker 9: new offensive coordinator, Ship Lindsay comes in. I don't expect

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Speaker 9: them to throw it all over the yard, but they

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Speaker 9: couldn't pass it at all last year. I think they

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Speaker 9: will be able to throw it some because you have

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Speaker 9: a guy who last year they wanted Alex Orgy, who

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Speaker 9: is like similar size, really athletic, probably not as instinctive

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Speaker 9: of a runner, and struggled as a passer, and they

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Speaker 9: did not have difference makers outside.

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Speaker 8: You know, Colston Levelin was a really good tight end,

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Speaker 8: but he got banged up.

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Speaker 9: It's hard for me to look at Michigan and say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 9: they're anywhere near as.

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Speaker 8: Good as Penn State or Ohio State. I don't feel

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Speaker 8: like that right about right now, about them, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Bruce Feldman, Fox Sports, great stuff, He's king of

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Speaker 3: college football. Enjoy the opener, Bruce. Everybody will be watching

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Speaker 3: you and following you online. Thanks buddy, Thanks you all right,

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Speaker 3: great stuff for Bruce Feldman. Now, folks, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to sound like a five alarm fire, but we have

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Speaker 3: major seismic news. Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift are engaged.

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Speaker 5: Do I mean to do the alarm?

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Speaker 4: So teenage girls at home? Yeah, people are freaking. My

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Speaker 4: wife just texted me about it.

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Speaker 3: So Taylor Swift's I guess Instagram post your English teacher

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Speaker 3: and your gym teacher are getting married with.

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Speaker 4: A stick of dynamite. Congrats to the happy couple.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll do a little more on this later in

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Speaker 3: the show or the entire final hour.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We may have to bump a guest to bring on

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Speaker 3: like a wedding plan. I don't know what the game

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Speaker 3: plan is. There is no playbook for this, but maybe

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Speaker 3: we'll get Colin to call in and offer his thoughts

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Speaker 3: on the couple.

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Speaker 4: Remember when people thought this was a hoax. They were like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is a fake relationship. Remember that nonsense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, real swifties knew the truth.

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Speaker 5: They knew.

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Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, you and your family, did you

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Speaker 3: guys see Taylor Swift out here so far?

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Speaker 7: Of course we did. I got two teenage darters. Come on,

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Speaker 7: this is like Target demo Central.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: I know our audience is like ninety percent men, but

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be real.

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Speaker 5: I went to the concert. It was fire.

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Speaker 4: It was amazing, the best concert I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: I would say this for all the guys out there

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Speaker 7: listening to this news, this is a reminder to shoot

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Speaker 7: your shot. Okay, Because Travis Kelcey wanted to meet Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 7: He thought she was pretty obviously one of the smart

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Speaker 7: most successful women in the world, and went to the

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Speaker 7: stadium during her concert to try to meet her.

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Speaker 5: Didn't work out, so.

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Speaker 7: Instead he went on his own podcast and put out

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Speaker 7: the call and just said into the air, I would

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Speaker 7: like to go out with Taylor Swift. Taylor, please, I

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Speaker 7: want to go out with you.

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Speaker 5: And it worked. It worked.

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Speaker 4: Jason, Yeah, shoot your shot. It's never too long a shot.

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Speaker 3: So, by the way, Rachel, our staff is now saying

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Speaker 3: that you are wearing Taylor Swift red, which you announced

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Speaker 3: in the first hour. I did, and then they got

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Speaker 3: engaged in the second hour. Are you do you know something?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to tell us anything?

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Speaker 11: Nothing?

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Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about on TV?

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Speaker 3: All right, coming off next, we'll just tear up the

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Speaker 3: rest of the show and just do Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey got engaged. Everybody's excited, everybody's fired up, and

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Speaker 3: we'll probably talk about Michael Parsons too, because this is

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Speaker 3: a sports show.

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Speaker 4: That's next.

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Speaker 3: We're back our number two here on the Herd. It's

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Speaker 3: me Jason McIntyre in but Colin Cowherd's goned by Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 3: We have Albert Career coming up. Albert Brier just a

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Speaker 3: fountain of information.

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Speaker 4: The guy's amazing and listen.

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Speaker 3: I know it's football season for college in NFL, but

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Speaker 3: you know, I love me some NBA and Rachel loves

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Speaker 3: the NBA too. We have a fun, spicy NBA topic

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Speaker 3: for later in the hours, just a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: NFL fans don't worry, and given.

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Speaker 3: How people seem to feel about this guy Richel, I

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna like our take on it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a little conversation going on with that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, it'll be fun. But that's later in

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Speaker 4: the hour.

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Speaker 3: That Greg Jennings, my guy, Greg Jennings, bodybuilder slash former

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Speaker 3: NFL wide receiver. He's gonna be in the final hour.

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Speaker 3: Greg Jennings is like Arnold Honestly, he is so jacked

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Speaker 3: right now. The guy's a machine, all right. So earlier

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Speaker 3: this week we did my Super Bowl tiers and the

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Speaker 3: forty nine ers in the top tier really ticked everyone off,

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Speaker 3: understandable chiefs roy tier three. So I was like, why

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Speaker 3: don't we.

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Speaker 5: Do it for college football?

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Speaker 4: Sure, staff is like, yeah, on board, got it.

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Speaker 3: Here we go College Football National Championship Tiers. Let's start

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Speaker 3: with the group we're calling the head of the class.

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Speaker 3: By the way, head of the class. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: my brother. We would watch that show in the nineties

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Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 4: Was that iving given? Yes, Robin, give it, Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Rachel all Right, head of the class top college football contenders.

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Speaker 3: Should be no surprise that Clemson is up there. If

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Speaker 3: you listen to Bruce Fellman when he was on this week,

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Speaker 3: They're stacked. They have one of the best defensive lines

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Speaker 3: in the country. They have sixteen starters back. Clemson's in there.

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Speaker 3: Ohio State defending champs, have the best player in the

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Speaker 3: country Jeremiah Smith, Caleb Downs, an elite defender, Penn State Ratuons,

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Speaker 3: Drew Aller, and eventually James Franklin's gonna win a big game?

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Speaker 4: Am I right? Is that gonna happen?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: Alabama surprised some people someone in the morning meeting, was

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Speaker 3: I Alabama? Jay? You sure, folks? Alabama? From the notes,

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Speaker 3: five star quarterback Ty Simpson has been waiting on the

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Speaker 3: bench for a few years to take over for Jalen Milroe.

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Speaker 4: Does not sound like Arts Manning or what.

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Speaker 3: This is a really good team and I'm a buyer

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Speaker 3: in Kailin de boor I didn't know that Belichick.

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Speaker 5: Rachel had that earlier.

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Speaker 3: Belichick was going to Washington before he got to UNC.

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Speaker 4: Guess who was at Washington. Kayland wore smart as hell.

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Speaker 3: I like Alabama to make the playoff and contend for

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Speaker 3: the Natty. All right, let's go to the next group

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Speaker 3: called the Honor Roll, something I was on I think

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Speaker 3: in seventh grade and not much more after that.

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Speaker 5: The Honor Roll. Obviously, Georgia Bulldogs are going to be there.

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Speaker 3: However, they are replacing fifteen starters, so I do think

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Speaker 3: there's a pullback. I know they don't replace, they reload.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry with five stars.

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Speaker 4: They're in the mix.

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Speaker 3: I don't see them winning it, but they'll be in

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Speaker 3: the mix. Notre Dame I like a lot. There is

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Speaker 3: a buy on Marcus Freeman. I think he's an elite

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Speaker 3: coach and I think the NFL comes calling very very soon.

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Speaker 3: I love their ground game. Quarterback is a question, but

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Speaker 3: my guy, I have a couple of Notre Dame insiders

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Speaker 3: who are very plugged in. They like the quarterback a lot.

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Speaker 3: Oregon Ducks is a bit of a mystery. This is

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Speaker 3: again as a buy on a coach, Dan Lanning, He's

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Speaker 3: gonna have them competitive. I gotta be honest, I haven't

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Speaker 3: heard a damn thing about Oregon since Ohio State smoked

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Speaker 3: him seventy four zero or whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: And not Rose bull Do you.

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Speaker 3: Remember that game that was unbelievable what Ohio State did

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Speaker 3: to them? But Oregon Dan Lanning will be fine. And

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Speaker 3: then the Texas long Orange book them Arch Banning and company.

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Speaker 3: I think they lose this weekend and then go on

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Speaker 3: a bit of a heater against bad team. So Texas

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Speaker 3: is in the mix on the honor roll. And finally

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Speaker 3: we have a waitlisted I was waitlisted at one university

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Speaker 3: when I applied, I got into eight.

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Speaker 4: I was weightlisted at the other.

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Speaker 3: And the waitlist here is LSU with nuss Meyer at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what they're made of in the opener against Clemson.

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Speaker 3: You the team of my youth. Yes, I owned the

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Speaker 3: Miami starter jacket. I'm not gonna lie. It was so

662
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: fire when I was in seventh grade. But I like

663
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: the U. I just don't love Carson Beck a lot,

664
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: like the coaching staff, and I think Notre Dame gets

665
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: them as weekend.

666
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: My guys sellers.

667
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: The quarterback at South Carolina, I think they're going to

668
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: be spicy. He's the guy I would watch coming out

669
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: of nowhere to like go number one. Maybe he carries

670
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: the game Cocks to the playoffs. And finally, Mike dark

671
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: horse the Texas Tech Red Raiders. I was in Vegas

672
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: last week. I bet some teams in college football. Texas

673
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: Tech to make the playoff was one of my long

674
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: shot bets. I love what they did in the portal.

675
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: There's your college football tiers from your boy. All right,

676
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: let's bring in our guest, Albert Breer, mister Monday Morning Quarterback,

677
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: as is always obligatory, I have to ask him about

678
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: Ohio State right out of the gate, Breer, are you disappointed?

679
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: I didn't have the buck Eyes winning at all? Already?

680
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 5: All right, who'd you have?

681
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: So?

682
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 5: I was looking at my following.

683
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: You weren't even paying attention, paying attention. That's on me, No, no, no,

684
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: I had ohist.

685
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: You want him in the tier though? I was paying

686
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: attention for that?

687
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: Thank you. Okay, So I think they're could be very good.

688
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: But I do think Penn State probably gets him this year.

689
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: Clemson's loaded, and Alabama as a team I bet to

690
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: win the Natty or you bet Alabama? Yeah, all right,

691
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: we'll see.

692
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: We'll see.

693
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: Like I like, I think Ohio State's one of those

694
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 6: teams where I think will be a lot better November

695
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 6: than we are in September. It's I mean, fourteen guys

696
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 6: drafted more than that made NFL rosters. It's a lot

697
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 6: to replace. There's a question, of course at quarterback. I

698
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 6: think the game on Saturday is going to be a

699
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 6: rock fight. I think both teams have excellent, excellent defenses

700
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 6: that from when i've heard, are way ahead of the

701
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 6: offenses right now. But yeah, I mean, like the way

702
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 6: the thing's set up now where you know you can

703
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 6: have some bumps early and still survive to make the playoff.

704
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: I think they'll be in good shape going into December.

705
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 8: Now.

706
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: There's a rumor on a message board that you will

707
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: be at the game this weekend, and I also saw

708
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: you'll probably be in the locker room, maybe doing the coin.

709
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: Toss or something like that, because you're be in the

710
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 5: locker room. But I will be in the stadium. I

711
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: do have access for that.

712
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 6: I guess that's a big issue this week right, Like

713
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 6: I'll be okay, I'll be in the stadium, so yeah, yeah.

714
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: No, it's I'm excited to get out there. Man.

715
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 6: It'll be my two sons first game there with two,

716
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: which is going to be pretty cool.

717
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, final college football got to ask about

718
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: arch Manning. I keep asking every guest this week, do

719
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: we know if he's good? I mean, yeah, I'm enough

720
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: with the UTSA highlights, Okay, can we wait to see

721
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: him live bullets against a good team with a smart defense.

722
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

723
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 6: You know what's interesting, actually, jmack I asked around about him,

724
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 6: you know, going back to.

725
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: You know, like May when you started to see him.

726
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 6: Popping up as the number one overall pick in mock drafts.

727
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 6: And you know, with all due respect to him, I

728
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 6: can't remember that ever happening before. Where you a guy

729
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: who has two college stars being projected in the next

730
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 6: year's draft to that level. So you know, the guys

731
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 6: who are on the ground, who do the school calls

732
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 6: and have been in Austin, you would all say, like,

733
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 6: the physical tools are there.

734
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: He's a great kid.

735
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 6: You know, he's been raised right, so there are a

736
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 6: lot of like great pieces to.

737
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 5: Put together there.

738
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 6: But I mean, I think the leap that everybody's making

739
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 6: here is they assume that he's got all the stuff

740
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 6: that Peyton and eel I had And so they're making

741
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 6: that leap where they say he's Peyton and Eli plus athleticism,

742
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 6: And I don't know that's really respectful to how difficult

743
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 6: it is to see the game, to think the game

744
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 6: the way that Peyton and Eli did. And that doesn't

745
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 6: mean that Arch won't get there, But there's a process

746
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 6: in getting there.

747
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: You know.

748
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 6: Part of it is playing against better competition, which will

749
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 6: happen on Saturday for them. Part of it is, you know,

750
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 6: when teams get six, seven, eight games of game tape

751
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 6: on you figuring out what you do well, what you

752
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 6: don't do well, and now they're able to game plan

753
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 6: more specifically, can you CounterPunch? You know, there's still a

754
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: lot that we have left to find out about Arch Manning,

755
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 6: And I think he'd agree with this, like I, as

756
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 6: far as I've never talk to him before, but far

757
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 6: as what I know about the kid, I think you'd

758
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 6: agree that there's still a lot left unknown about what

759
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 6: he's going to be as a quarterback. And unfortunately, you know,

760
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 6: the way all this stuff works today, we're never going

761
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 6: to give a kid like that the opportunity to to

762
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 6: just let that happen naturally, but you kind of wish

763
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 6: that it could.

764
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no shot of that. All right, let's shift our

765
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: focus to the NFL. Listen, I don't love talking about

766
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. They sink right, They're the longest drought in

767
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: a conference championship game in the NFC by a mile.

768
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 3: And then you Michael Parson showing up at the airport.

769
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to get a second opinion on my back.

770
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: His brother is tweeting out this is going twelve rounds.

771
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean, at what.

772
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: Point does this turn from circus to kind of like

773
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: some Shakespearean act where it's really just sad and depressing.

774
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would say that like a lot

775
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 6: of this is kind of you know, what Jerry's invited

776
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 6: over the last few years, the way he's handled a

777
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 6: lot of these contract negotiations. The pacing of it actually

778
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 6: isn't much different than the negotiation with Zach Martin two

779
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 6: years ago, with the the negotiation with Ceedee Lamb and

780
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott last year, where you know, offers were made

781
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 6: very early in the off season and then there was

782
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 6: you know, basically radio silence. The team goes to California

783
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 6: for camp, there's not much movement, and then at the

784
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 6: very end there's a push to get a deal done.

785
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 6: Now we'll see what happens and what results from that

786
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 6: final push to get the deal done, you know. But

787
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 6: I'd say there are you know, a couple of key

788
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 6: differences between this one and those.

789
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 8: You know.

790
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 6: One certainly is you know, the the public rankor that

791
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 6: this sort of taking place over the course the last

792
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 6: three or four months, where a lot of this stuff

793
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 6: has gotten out there and become kind of nasty in

794
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 6: the public forum, whether it's between you know, Jerry and

795
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 6: the agent, David Mulligeta, whether it's between Micah and the

796
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 6: team itself. Obviously there's this stuff at the stadium that

797
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 6: last preseason game with the nachos and the lying on

798
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 6: the training table, So this one's gotten more public publicly

799
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 6: nasty than than than those before it. The other difference

800
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 6: is just kind of how these guys are seen in

801
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 6: the locker room.

802
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 8: You know.

803
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 6: And I would say, you know, Dak and CD and

804
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 6: Zach Martin were all beloved figures in the locker room,

805
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 6: and I don't.

806
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: Know that it's quite that way with Micah. It doesn't

807
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 5: have to be.

808
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: He's a great player, you know, He's a motivated player,

809
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: you know, and I think that if you pay him,

810
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 6: he's going to be worth every penny. But that does

811
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 6: add a different twist to the tenor negotiations, and so.

812
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: I could see them getting a deal done in the

813
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 5: next week.

814
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 6: I could also see this, you know, turning into something

815
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 6: that drags into the season where you know, all of

816
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 6: a sudden, Michaeh. Parson's back is acting up or his

817
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 6: ankle is acting up, and you just kind of have

818
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 6: this like weird, sideways sort of season from one of

819
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 6: your very best players, which of course can put the

820
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 6: rest of the team in a tough spot too.

821
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, at what point, I mean, Micah probably has a

822
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: little more ammo to empty the clip. I mean he

823
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: could simply go on his own podcast and go off

824
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 3: yeah and shift the attention from Jerry.

825
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: He could control the narrative. Jerry can meet the media

826
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: as much as he wants.

827
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, he's a billionaire and he's the owner.

828
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: I think Micah has the leverage here. Let me get

829
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: on the screen, Albert. We looked at the twenty twenty

830
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: one draft, all the best players in the first round,

831
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: and Jamar Chase signed DeVante Smith extension. All these guys

832
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: got their deals early. Hell, the DeVonta Smith deal has

833
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: done seventeen months ago. Okay, there's one guy on the

834
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: list who doesn't have a deal. Doesn't this even further Ammo,

835
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Like Jerry doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

836
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 6: But again, like this is sort of the way that

837
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 6: they've handled it, like and I think that's part of it,

838
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: is he does know what he's doing, you.

839
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: Know what I mean?

840
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 6: Like, and I think there's a piece of it, like

841
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 6: for a lot of these owners it's keeping the money

842
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 6: in your own pocket for as long as you can,

843
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 6: and that could be an element here. It's control over workforce,

844
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 6: which is something Jerry's talked about in the public forum

845
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 6: and in the private forum too. Of the of the

846
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 6: of the ownership meetings wait, wait, hold on one of

847
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 6: the leaders in the pack when it comes to that stuff,

848
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: and making sure that everybody knows who's in charge, you know.

849
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 6: And then I think there's also the entertainment aspect to it,

850
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 6: you know.

851
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 5: And I a.

852
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 6: Couple of years ago, I would have told you were

853
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 6: crazy for saying these things, And I thought people were

854
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 6: kind of off base.

855
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: When they did say it.

856
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 6: But the more it's happened this way and the less

857
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 6: aggressive that they've gotten about doing deals in the months

858
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 6: of June and July, the more.

859
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 5: I thought, like maybe there is, you know, a.

860
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 6: Side benefit that he sees in this whole thing, that

861
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 6: they're going to be in the A block and a

862
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 6: lot of you know a lot of shows like this one,

863
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 6: you know, like that they're going to be the most

864
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 6: important thing over the summer. I mean, will we really

865
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 6: be talking about the Cowboys right now if it weren't

866
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 6: for this, No, j mac No, I mean it's sort

867
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 6: of I don't know. I mean that maybe because the

868
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 6: coaching changed, but they didn't. I mean, all due respect

869
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer, this wasn't like a headline grabbing higher.

870
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 5: You know, Dak's coming back for another year. I just

871
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anything.

872
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 6: That will capture the imagination of the public that's going

873
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 6: on there right now.

874
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: And so if you want to be a real.

875
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 6: Conspiracy theorist about this, you could look at it and say,

876
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 6: Jerry's going to get a deal done his way early

877
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 6: or you're going to have to wait until late. And

878
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 6: the headlines may be part of the benefit for Jerry

879
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 6: when it comes to all that.

880
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So Albert, you're a smart guy. You've been in radio,

881
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: TV writing, you cover the league forever. Do you want

882
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: to win headlines and be in the A bloc in

883
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: July and August, Or do you want to be in

884
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: playoff games that matter in January and get into the

885
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: game in February?

886
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 5: Like, well, you know what my answer is exactly and.

887
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: That's the only reason I'm pushing back.

888
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 8: Now.

889
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: You said an interesting phrase. I almost didn't like it

890
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: where you said control over players? So are other any

891
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: are any other owners speaking in that tone like that vibe, Hey,

892
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: we got to let them know who's in charge?

893
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 5: Or is that just you think that?

894
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 6: I mean, like most of them think that way, if

895
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 6: you want to the truth of it, most of them

896
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 6: think that way. I mean, that's why there are so

897
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 6: many rules in the CBA that pertain to this sort

898
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 6: of stuff, you know, like whether it's franchise tags, it's strengthening.

899
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 5: The rules over holding out.

900
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 6: I mean, guys have to pay fifty thousand a day

901
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 6: for for for days they miss in training camp, you know,

902
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 6: And that's why players have had to get more creative

903
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 6: and doing things like holding So like, if you don't

904
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 6: think your owner has has has that in the back

905
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 6: of his head and how you can maintain control over

906
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 6: his workforce like you are either you know, rooting for

907
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 6: one of the teams, the rare guy like that, or

908
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 6: you have your head in the clouds about the way

909
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 6: these guys operate, just reality of it, you know what

910
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 6: I mean. Like so, I think Jerry's a little bit

911
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 6: more forceful about it, and Jerry's probably one of the

912
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 6: more vocal guys inside the meeting room.

913
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 5: But it exists everywhere, and it's all over the CBA.

914
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 6: You know, there's so many different things in the CBA

915
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 6: that the point to it, even the length of it,

916
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like doing a ten year

917
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 6: deal where you have the opt outs, Like what is that?

918
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 5: That's control over workforce? So I mean, I know that's

919
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 5: sort of a corporate term for it, but it's exactly

920
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: what it is.

921
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

922
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Jerry can go to the table and

923
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: say we have you for the next three years. You

924
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: can't do anything, come play. And honestly, I'm at the

925
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: point whereer you know, I'm not rich or wealthy.

926
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: If I were a.

927
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: Rich guy and I sided with Michael Parson, I say, Micah,

928
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: I got you. I'll float some of your lifestyle. I

929
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: don't want you going a plane. Get your contract. You

930
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: deserve it, You've earned it just like everybody else in

931
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: your draft class, go screw listening to him. I mean, again,

932
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: maybe that's a little aggressive on my.

933
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 6: Part, but I mean, but that's the thing is like,

934
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 6: so what Jerry's told him is like, we have you

935
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 6: for the next three years.

936
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 5: Well, why do they have him for the next three years.

937
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 6: Because for the next three years because they have the

938
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 6: last year was contract franchise Tag one, franchise Tag two.

939
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: And so those are mechanisms of control, you know.

940
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 6: And I mean there are teams that are more aggressive,

941
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 6: so they don't have to use those mechanisms of control

942
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: because they don't want it to come to that point

943
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 6: with their players. You know, in a lot of cases,

944
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 6: you have a good relationship with your player and you

945
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 6: just don't want it to come to that.

946
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 5: You may believe that you should have control over.

947
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 6: Your workforce, but you know, the Eagles are a great

948
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: example of it. Like where you mentioned DeVante Smith, like

949
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 6: they never things, never, like came even close to coming

950
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: to a head with him because you did him so early.

951
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 5: You know, Aj Brown, They revised his contract, they.

952
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: Gave him, you know, a big bump when when he

953
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 6: had outplayed the contracts he initially signed so.

954
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 5: There are definitely ways to avoid it. There are definitely

955
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 5: teams that don't want to exert it.

956
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 6: Jerry's just never been afraid to exert these sorts of mechanisms.

957
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 5: And again, like that whole thing like I have.

958
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 6: You for the next three years, even though you're only

959
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 6: under contract for the next year, is of course, you know,

960
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: a pretty clear way of explaining to your player, like

961
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 6: even after your contract expires, I still have you because

962
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 6: of the rules that we put in.

963
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: I don't like that.

964
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe the WNBA player should talk to the

965
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: NFL guys and be like, hey, hey, o you guys,

966
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: this is a playbook.

967
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 5: Is what we're going to do.

968
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: But the other thing looking at that, rayshaw On Slater

969
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: got a new contract July twenty seventh, two weeks later

970
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: torn patella out for the year. He doesn't have to

971
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 3: worry about anything, Albert, he got he got his money, right,

972
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 3: don't rush back.

973
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 4: We're good, you.

974
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: Got your contract. We're happy, like I'm.

975
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 6: I mean, Cale McGary's another one that's not his high profile,

976
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 6: but he got hurt in Atlanta, I think a few

977
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 6: days after his contract. There are tons of examples of it,

978
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 6: for sure, and that's that's part of the leverage that

979
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 6: owners have is fear that something like this is going

980
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 6: to happen.

981
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 11: Yeah.

982
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: So if I'm Micah, Hey man, I just saw what

983
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: happened to McGary, what happens later, I'm sorry.

984
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 5: I don't want to go out there.

985
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: My back is hurt. I mean, honestly, you have to.

986
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: If you're Dak Prescott and you probably know him as

987
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: well as anybody who covers teams, at some point he

988
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: has to think, hey man, I got paid.

989
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 5: I don't care.

990
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: We're not winning the Super Bowl, We're not sniffing it.

991
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Eagles have a better chance

992
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: to repeat than Dallas does even getting to the playoffs,

993
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: and I think Dak is probably fine with that. Hey

994
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: I'm wealthy. I've got generational wealth. I got my girl,

995
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: I got my kid.

996
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: I'm fine.

997
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: I don't care.

998
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: At some point, you just have to not care because

999
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: if the owner doesn't seem to care, why should the quarterback.

1000
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go play and make money, and

1001
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: that's it.

1002
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying. I mean,

1003
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 6: but there's also like, you only have so many years

1004
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 6: to maximize your time in the field. You know how

1005
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 6: you're going to be remembered and all that different stuff.

1006
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, Dak's not really wired that

1007
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 6: way where it's where it's like, okay, well like my

1008
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 6: owner as all and as I am, so I'm not

1009
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 6: going to put as much into it, like I just

1010
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 6: I have a hard time envisioning ever seeing anything that

1011
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 6: like that happening with that particular guy like Dak. Prescott's

1012
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 6: not that way. But I would agree that like it

1013
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 6: doesn't always send the best message to your locker room

1014
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 6: when you're doing these sorts of things, you know, I mean,

1015
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 6: I think in a lot of ways, these contract negotiations

1016
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 6: send messages to the locker room. And I think, you know,

1017
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 6: for example, like Terry McLaurin in Washington, I think one

1018
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 6: of the tricky things about that one is, and and

1019
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 6: was over the course of the last few months, was like,

1020
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're if you're in a negotiation with

1021
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 6: somebody who isn't all that well liked or well respected

1022
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 6: in the locker room and there's a dispute, well, I

1023
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 6: think guys kind of you know, just look the other

1024
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 6: way on it. But if it's a guy like a McLaurin,

1025
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 6: like they're gonna be guys in the locker room.

1026
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: They're gonna look at it and say, like, you messed

1027
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 5: with that guy.

1028
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 6: And now that they've paid him, they can point and say,

1029
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 6: you know what, we took care of him like it was.

1030
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 6: It got a little messy, but in the end we

1031
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 6: were we were able to find a solution and he's

1032
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 6: happy and we're happy, and that that's the kind of

1033
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 6: guy that we pay. So yeah, I think more often

1034
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 6: than more often than people realize, players keep score by contract,

1035
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 6: players keep score by money, and so you know they're

1036
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 6: paying attention to the way that you handle these sorts

1037
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 6: of negotiations because they know if one of the biggest

1038
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 6: stars in the team can be treated a certain way,

1039
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 6: well they're certainly not going to be exempt from it.

1040
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: All right, let's move off the Cowboys. I know management

1041
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: will love that. I do have to ask.

1042
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: I'm taking some heat in Chicago, Albert Okay, Yeah, they're

1043
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: upset with me, Kyle Long. Is they taking jabs at

1044
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: me like this? Caleb Williams Ben Johnson stuff. Again, I'm

1045
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: listening to the quotes and I'm looking at the actions

1046
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: of Ben Johnson, and I'm just telling you from my

1047
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: point of view, something's going on there. It doesn't feel

1048
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: like it's off to a good start. They've had like

1049
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: four or five months together, and the messaging from Ben, Now,

1050
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: maybe this is his personality. I don't know what's upbringing.

1051
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't know it's background. It just doesn't seem positive.

1052
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: And then they signed pagent to a random out of nowhere.

1053
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: This guy came out of nowhere and they just signed

1054
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: him to a deal. I'm like, what is happening? So

1055
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: to maybe talk talk Bears fans off the ledge or

1056
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: sign with me either one.

1057
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 6: I think he's being I think I think Ben's being

1058
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 6: intentionally tough on on on Caleb Williams like.

1059
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: I think that's that that that's really the long and

1060
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 5: short of it.

1061
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 6: And this has been being himself and this is the

1062
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 6: way he coaches, and you know, as far as I

1063
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 6: can tell, like Caleb has been.

1064
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 8: On board with it.

1065
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 6: And it produced some really ugly days early in training camp,

1066
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 6: like it did not look good. But if you talk

1067
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: to Ben about it, what he would tell you is

1068
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 6: we were going through a process where we wanted to

1069
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 6: feed him through a fire hose and give him as

1070
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 6: much as we possibly could overload him with information, overload

1071
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 6: him with scheme, and then come back and narrow down

1072
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 6: what he's doing and figure out what he does well

1073
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 6: and what he doesn't do well. So of this stuff

1074
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 6: that he doesn't do well out and build an offense

1075
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 6: around his strengths. And so I think, like you juxtaposed

1076
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 6: the early days in camp against the second preseason game,

1077
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 6: and you see a guy who was playing much faster.

1078
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 6: You see a guy who's playing much more confidently because

1079
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 6: they had figured out exactly.

1080
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 5: What he does best.

1081
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 6: They they've honed in on that, and then they really

1082
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 6: sort of fine tune some of the stuff as far

1083
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 6: as how fast he's playing, how quick the ball is

1084
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 6: getting out, all of that. And I know it didn't

1085
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 6: look quite the same against Kansas City. It wasn't quite

1086
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: as sharp against Kansas City in the last preseason game.

1087
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 6: But I think this has gone according to plan, and

1088
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 6: you know, a lot have to see what it looks

1089
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 6: like when the regular season starts. But I think people

1090
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 6: who've been around Ben would remind you like they had

1091
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 6: days like this with Jared Goff and training camp in Detroit,

1092
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 6: and nobody made us big a deal out of it

1093
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 6: because golf was already a proven commodity. We already had

1094
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 6: an idea of what golf is. You know, we'll see

1095
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Speaker 6: if it works with the younger guy.

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Speaker 3: That's positive and upbeat, and I like it. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I do have to ask Caleb kind of had the

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00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: run of the show last year.

1099
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Speaker 4: He could do whatever he wanted. He was watching film

1100
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: by himself.

1101
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: Reportedly, well, guess what the year prior at USC he

1102
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: was also just doing his own thing, a lot of

1103
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: backyard football, Right, So two years of just hey, freelance,

1104
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: make a play, go go get us some points. How

1105
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Speaker 3: tough is it going to be to go from that

1106
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: into follow my lead? Drop read react quickly, Like it's

1107
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Speaker 3: probably at least a year with Ben before we see

1108
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Speaker 3: anything close to what he wants.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a mentality change, you know.

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00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 6: I mean, you're you're trying to coach a playing style

1112
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 6: out of somebody, and that's not an easy thing to do,

1113
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 6: you know.

1114
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Speaker 5: I think beyond just that, like in.

1115
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 6: College, like he was asked in a lot of cases

1116
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 6: to be the best player on the field, and I

1117
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 6: think you saw that reflected in the way that he played.

1118
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: It was a lot of big play hunting, a lot.

1119
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 6: Of passing up the the easy stuff. And what they're

1120
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Speaker 6: trying to teach him to do is play the game and.

1121
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Speaker 5: Play quarterback.

1122
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Speaker 6: In a more between the lines sort of ways instead

1123
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Speaker 6: of constantly coloring outside the lines. You can run and

1124
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 6: scramble to create throws in the NFL, you can't do

1125
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 6: it all the time. And I think of Mahomes because

1126
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Speaker 6: I'm doing a story on Pat and Pat and I

1127
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 6: talked about this, you know, earlier in the months, is like,

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Speaker 6: if you look at his numbers, Mahomes' numbers, he averaged

1129
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 6: over ten carries a game when he was at Texas Tech.

1130
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 5: That number for his NFL career is under four per game.

1131
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 6: And that's a very intentional thing that for Mahomes was

1132
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 6: going from having to be the best player on the

1133
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 6: field and almost every play too.

1134
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 5: I've got good teammates around me.

1135
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 6: I can trust them, I can get the ball in

1136
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 6: their hands, and then when I need to be superman,

1137
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 6: I can always put the cape on. That's what they're

1138
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 6: trying to get Caleb to do in Chicago is there

1139
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 6: are going to be certain plays where we just want

1140
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 6: to have your hands at ten and two on the

1141
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 6: wheel and just run the offense, and we know that,

1142
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 6: we know that you're capable of the bigger stuff when

1143
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 6: we need it, but it can't be all the time.

1144
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 5: And I think there were.

1145
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 6: Points last year we saw what happens when he's trying

1146
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: to be that guy all the time and they're trying

1147
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 6: to dial that back and say, just play quarterback four.

1148
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: Times out of five and then that fifth.

1149
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 6: Time you can go and show everybody exactly what you're capable.

1150
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: Your analogy for Caleb got me thinking of the great

1151
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: movie Old School, where Will Ferrell, you know, used to

1152
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: be a party animal. Then he's really resigned to the

1153
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: birds and his wife's like, we don't want to see

1154
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: old Frank the tank and then he just comes out

1155
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: and he's beer bong and or funneling whatever the kids

1156
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: call it.

1157
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 5: Anyways.

1158
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: Albert Breer, Monday Morning, Quarterback.

1159
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: Great stuff as always, Hey, good luck to your buck

1160
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: guys this weekend.

1161
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 5: I loaded up.

1162
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: I could use a new car, so let's go, buck guys.

1163
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: You have money on them, Yeah, a couple of bucks.

1164
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 5: I like it. I like it for me too. It's

1165
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: been a while.

1166
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll do all right, Albert, Thank you, all right?

1167
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: Great stuff from Albert Brewer right. Coming up next, Rachel

1168
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: tells us who fans think is the most annoying player

1169
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: in the NFL. I'm gonna guess it's a Cowboy. But

1170
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: that's just a guess. That's next. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 3: live editions on The Herd weekdays at noon. Easter not

1172
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: a em Pacific. Good morning, Los Angeles. It's me Jason

1173
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: McIntyre here on the Herd. Happy afternoon to the East

1174
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: Coast folks. It's Friday. It is a beautiful day of

1175
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: culmination to a spectacular week. Listen, Rachel Nichols and I

1176
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: have had a banger.

1177
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Speaker 5: Of a week hosting this show.

1178
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, we had the Taylor Swift.

1179
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 7: No days are out of a home, the engagement, no

1180
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 7: days off, you know every day.

1181
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: I'm looking at my notes here.

1182
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: I angered the Chicago Bears fan base with this Caleb

1183
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: william stuff.

1184
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: I'm just hoping, Rachel, we can close with and it's

1185
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: some good news on a Friday, and good news that

1186
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: keep living Green Bank.

1187
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: We were gifted basically, I mean, the gift that keeps

1188
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 3: on giving like this is amazing. Michael Parsons traded by

1189
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: the Cowboys would have happened like two hours after our show. Yeah,

1190
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 3: and I walked into the morning meeting and I said,

1191
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: are we going to just do three hours on Michael Parsons?

1192
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 5: We could?

1193
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: Coward texted me that should be the entire show. I

1194
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: was like, yes, sir, not to yes, sir, Coward will

1195
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 3: be back next week. But let's start there. Let's start

1196
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: with the Green Bay Packers basically putting on ski masks,

1197
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: going into Dallas and stealing Michael Parsons from the Cowboys

1198
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: for peanuts. I cannot believe that this trade happened. I

1199
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Speaker 3: think obviously Green Bay won the trade. There's many angles

1200
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: to break down here. I'm gonna go with the Packers

1201
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 3: angle first because I do think and I haven't seen

1202
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 3: a lot.

1203
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 4: Of other takes on this.

1204
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: I think the Packers are right there as one of

1205
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: the best teams, not only in the NFC but in

1206
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 3: the league. This puts them in the serious super Bowl consideration.

1207
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: I had them in my Tier two for Super Bowl

1208
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: contenders earlier this week.

1209
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: They clearly vault to one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think people realize just how good

1211
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Speaker 3: Micah Parsons is. Okay, this move going from Dallas to

1212
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: Green Bay, I believe is bigger than the Matt Stafford

1213
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: trade from a few years ago. When the Rams got

1214
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: Matt Stafford, everybody was excited. Obviously it led to a

1215
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. But Michael Parsons is in his prime. He's

1216
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: only played four seasons in the league. Matt Stafford was

1217
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: thirty three, a little older. You know, the Christian McCaffrey

1218
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: trade was big. Khalil Mack trade was big. This is seismic.

1219
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean, folks, Michael Parsons again. I know he takes

1220
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: a lot of heat for inside the locker room stuff

1221
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 3: his podcast. We will address that because it bears some discussion.

1222
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: But let me just remind folks, Michaeh Parsons in year

1223
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 3: one was runner up Defensive Player of the Year. Okay,

1224
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 3: He's been an All Pro three times in four years.

1225
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: He has twelve or more sacks in every season he's

1226
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 3: played so far to start his career. It's not hyperbole

1227
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: to say Michaeh Parsons is already on track to be

1228
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 3: a first ballot Hall of Famer after four seasons. He's

1229
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 3: in the discussion with the likes of Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White,

1230
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett as one of the greatest pass rushers in

1231
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: NFL history after four years. Now, we don't know what's

1232
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: gonna happen, obviously, but Parsons is a terror coming off

1233
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: the edge. And if you're the Green Bay Packers and

1234
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: you look at your defensive roster and you're like, oh,

1235
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: we got Gary, we got some good linebackers.

1236
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 4: We've got a good team, which you didn't have with.

1237
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 5: That blue chip superstar.

1238
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: Where you go in the divisional round of the playoffs

1239
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: and the opponent looks at how we gonna how we're

1240
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: gonna block Michael Parsons. What are we gonna have to

1241
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: adjust stuff? You have to scheme specifically for Parsons. Now,

1242
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 3: teams have done that in the playoffs with some success.

1243
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: But you look at Gary coming off the other edge,

1244
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: and this Green Bay defense suddenly is a wrecking crew.

1245
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: And I would like to point out that their odds

1246
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 3: after the draft to win the Super Bowl were plus

1247
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 3: twenty two hundred. Okay, that was after the draft, and

1248
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why the draft is important. This morning

1249
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: they went to plus twelve hundred. So right now the

1250
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: Packers are right there cream of the crop. They're in

1251
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs, Niners. They're right there at the top.

1252
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: And the draft is important because I missed this, and

1253
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: I was kicking myself this morning for missing this.

1254
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 4: I think everybody did.

1255
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: But at the draft, the Green Bay Packers in the

1256
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 3: first round. We know what they don't do in the

1257
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: first round, right, They don't take wide receivers.

1258
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers bemoaned that fact.

1259
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: He openly was like, we don't draft receivers in the

1260
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: first rome.

1261
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 5: We need one.

1262
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: I need some help.

1263
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: Packers have a really good wide receiver room. It's deep,

1264
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: it's young, it's talented. They got a lot of guys,

1265
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 3: and they drafted a wide receiver in the first round.

1266
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, Matthew Golden. It's not like he's

1267
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith or something. Golden really nice player. He's like

1268
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 3: five to eleven buck ninety. I know it's a burner,

1269
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 3: but it was a mild surprise. They broke character at

1270
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: the draft getting Matthew Golden, and I.

1271
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 4: Should have noticed at the time.

1272
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: But smart businesses some times adapt and change and say

1273
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: we've done things one way, we're going to make an adjustment,

1274
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 3: and we're going for Golden. Now, their wide receiver room

1275
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't have that high end Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson.

1276
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 3: But in terms of depth and talent, it's top four

1277
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 3: in the league. Golden is gonna.

1278
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: Be that guy. Get him on your fantasy team.

1279
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: Now you add Michael Parsons a massive trade. What did

1280
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: we hear from NFL pundits all week? Guys, Packers, They're

1281
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: not gonna get Michael Parsons. They don't do that. They

1282
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: don't make these huge, splashy trades. Haven't done that forever.

1283
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,479
Speaker 3: Once again, the Packers break character, go out and get

1284
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: a superstar, a blue chip.

1285
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: How do we stop that guy coming.

1286
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 5: Off the edge.

1287
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: And I believe the green Bay Packers probably will be

1288
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: in the NFC Championship Game. I I'll say likely against

1289
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: the San Francisco forty nine Ers. And then we get

1290
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: the Trent Williams matchup against Michael Parsons, and, boy, green

1291
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: Bay fans, you've got to be absolutely geeked. I got

1292
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: a buddy who is a Milwaukee Brewer fan, and he's

1293
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: a green Bay Packers fan, and he's doing cartwheels. He's

1294
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 3: like Brewers baseball, Packers football.

1295
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 4: It's a great day in Green Bay.

1296
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: And by the way, for those who are saying, well,

1297
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: Packer's overpaid, and we'll address it. Jordan loves contract. They

1298
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: got him early. Guys, he is only the thirteenth biggest

1299
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: cap hit at quarterback in the league.

1300
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: You want to take a guess who's first this season,

1301
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott biggest cap hit in the league.

1302
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 3: And let's move to Dallas now and address that side

1303
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 3: of the trade.

1304
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 5: I want to start.

1305
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: Positive because I want to ear Muffett Cowboys fans. This

1306
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: is going to be a little negative. So there's this

1307
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: fun exercise that I've been told to do. You know,

1308
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: you turn thirty years old and you're supposed to look

1309
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 3: back at your younger self and like write a little

1310
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: letter and say, man, don't you wish.

1311
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: You knew this at twenty?

1312
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: And then you do it at you know, at thirty,

1313
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, man, in my twenties, relationship stuff, maybe

1314
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: you're finding a potential mate, work, you're getting out of college,

1315
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: and some stuff you could look and you give it

1316
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: to your younger self and hand it down to your

1317
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: kids relatives. So when you do it at forty, it's

1318
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: mostly about you know, having kids, buying a house, that

1319
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: next step of life. But when you read about this,

1320
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: the one thing that it keeps coming back to is

1321
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: you need to act with less emotion in relationships and work.

1322
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 11: Just chill out, calm down now, if you couldn't tell

1323
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 11: I tend to get emotional sometimes specifically about sports, and

1324
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 11: I think Jerry Jones got really emotional here and made

1325
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 11: a horrific decision.

1326
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: Okay, if we're to believe Michael Parsons, who told Jane Slater,

1327
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: by the way, she's going to be coming up as

1328
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: a guest here in about thirty minutes. He told Jane

1329
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: Slater that after news broke this week that there were

1330
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: trade talks for Michael Parsons, Micah and his agent who

1331
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 3: his agent's really good, went to the Cowboys with quote empathy,

1332
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 3: and they wanted to get a deal done, and allegedly,

1333
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: according to Michael Parsons, Jerry Jones got very, very emotional

1334
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 3: and told Micah and his agent play on the fifth

1335
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: year or leave, folks. That is not how you run

1336
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: a football team. That is amateur hour. Amateurs act on emotion.

1337
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 5: Pros.

1338
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: They look at the numbers, and the numbers said, Jerry,

1339
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: you bungled this badly.

1340
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 5: And for those out there who.

1341
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 4: Were screaming, Jay Mac, wait a minute, they.

1342
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: Didn't overpay, and they got an extra first round pick, and.

1343
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: They got Kenny Clark.

1344
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 5: Kenny Clark cain't very good.

1345
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: But that's another story.

1346
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 5: Guys.

1347
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 3: The reason that this got this far was because Jerry

1348
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: didn't do this last year.

1349
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 5: If he had gone.

1350
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: Last year and said, you know what, we can't afford Ceedee, Lamb,

1351
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: Dak and Micah.

1352
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 4: You do this last year.

1353
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 3: You could have made the deal last year and got

1354
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 3: more for Michael Parsons.

1355
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 4: Why wait so long?

1356
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 3: I mean, at worst, if he had done this at

1357
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 3: the beginning of the offseason, Jerry gets a bidding war

1358
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: started several teams.

1359
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 5: Now there's a.

1360
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: Report that the Raiders had called, but they were late

1361
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: to the game.

1362
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: I understand he's a billionaire, and I understand he's had success,

1363
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, thirty years ago with Jimmy Johnson winning a

1364
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: bunch of Super Bowls. But did Jerry just totally misplay

1365
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 3: his hand here? Well, yeah, clearly he bungled this so badly.

1366
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: Folks paying Dak and Lamb and knowing that you can't

1367
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 3: pay Micah like you should have done this last year.

1368
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 4: Now, Jerry Jones took it.

1369
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: Went in front of media on Thursday after the trade,

1370
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 3: and guys, he claims he's been thinking about this trade

1371
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: for a long time.

1372
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 13: We did think it was in the best entriest of

1373
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 13: our organization, not only the future, but right now this

1374
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 13: season as well. We've gained a Pro Bowl player in

1375
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 13: an area that we had big concern in. Our concerns

1376
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 13: in on the inside of our defense. The facts are, specifically,

1377
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 13: we need to stop the run, and we haven't been

1378
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 13: able to stop the run at key times for several years.

1379
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 3: Boy, if I was allowed to use expletives on the show,

1380
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: I would have come out of that quote and said,

1381
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: what the are you talking about?

1382
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 4: We need to stop the run.

1383
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 3: We kind of alternative universes Jerry Jones, Livgan Folks, Okay, fine,

1384
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: you knew you needed to stop the run at the draft.

1385
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the Cowboys draft, shall we.

1386
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: They got an offensive lineman, an edge rusher, a quarterback,

1387
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: a running back, a linebacker, an offensive lineman. Oh there,

1388
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: I pick two hundred and seventeen. Mister, we've got to

1389
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: stop the run. You waited two hundred and seventeen picks

1390
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: to get a defensive tackle? What like Jerry's saying stuff

1391
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: that doesn't even make sense, guys, I got a buddy

1392
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: who's a Cowboys fan. His daughter plays on my daughter's

1393
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 3: volleyball team. You know, we've known each other with coach

1394
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: soccer together. He texted me, I'm literally crying right now.

1395
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: After the trade, he was like, what are we doing?

1396
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 3: And you know this isn't just Jerry screwing up the

1397
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 3: Mica deal and then trying to lie to everyone's face,

1398
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: Like what do they call that? I think it's called

1399
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: gas lighting. Hey, we knew we needed to stop the run,

1400
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: so you know we added Kenny Clark, Like, bro, well,

1401
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: come on, nobody's believing that. And oh, by the way, Jerry,

1402
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: how's the recent track record of trades? Remember what they

1403
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: got Mingo, the wide receiver from the Carolina Panthers. Yeah,

1404
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 3: he's on ir to start the season, and even when

1405
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 3: he returns, he's looking at being the projected fourth or.

1406
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 4: Fifth wide receiver on the roster.

1407
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 5: They gave up a.

1408
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: Fourth round pick for Mingo, and uh, do you remember

1409
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 3: Trey Lance? They thought Jerry thought he had a great

1410
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 3: deal for Trey Lance. I mean, he gave up a

1411
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: fourth round pick for Trey Lance, not on the roster

1412
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 3: through a whopping Sorry, he played four games.

1413
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 5: Trey Lance played four.

1414
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: Games after Jerry Jones straighted for him. I mean, does

1415
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 3: this guy even nobody's doing. One of the producers here

1416
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: as I'm walking up to the set goes Shay, I

1417
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: had a good line when you left the morning meeting.

1418
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: If Jerry Jones wore his shirt inside out to the

1419
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 3: facility today, would anybody in Dallas have the cajones to

1420
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: tell him, hey, billionaire owner, boss, your shirt's inside out?

1421
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 3: Because it feels like nobody is telling Jerry what he

1422
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 3: needs to hear. And the Cowboys right now are a disaster.

1423
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 3: By the way, they're odds because I know you guys

1424
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: love odds to win the Super Bowl sixty to one,

1425
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 3: longest that they've been since twenty fourteen before the season.

1426
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 3: That's according to ESPN. So the Cowboys are launch shot.

1427
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: They're probably gonna win five games. I know there's some

1428
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: people out there who are like, hey, we got four

1429
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 3: first round picks now, Jay in the next two years.

1430
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 4: We'll address that later.

1431
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 3: Rachel and I have many layers to this story, so

1432
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 3: be patient. It's the super terrific happy three hours of

1433
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons and the Green Bay Package.

1434
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 5: Rachel I'm fired up. If you couldn't tell I'm a

1435
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 5: little emotional.

1436
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 7: This is It's an incredible story and not the way

1437
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 7: we thought this was gonna end even.

1438
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 14: I mean, we talked about this possibility of the package

1439
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 14: trade all through yesterday's show, and every single person we

1440
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 14: had on, including Greg Jennings, was like, Framebay doesn't do

1441
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 14: business this way.

1442
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 4: Unbelievable turn of events Coming up next Dallas.

1443
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 3: Forget about Micah for a moment. Earlier this year, you

1444
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: guys traded Luca. I mean, who's under fire more Nico

1445
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: or Jerry? Like it's getting ugly in Dallas. That's next year.

1446
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: On the heard, be sure to catch live editions of

1447
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern a em Pacific on

1448
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

1449
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Rich Ornberger, fourth round pick of the Patriots,

1450
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 3: went to Penn State. Obviously, we'll ask them about James

1451
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: Frank and let's bring him in. Radio guy in San Diego,

1452
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: Colt College football.

1453
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 4: Guts really doesn't ever stop working.

1454
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 5: Ritch.

1455
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 4: How you doing man, Good.

1456
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 8: Good morning to you. Jason.

1457
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 10: This yeah, this is true. I was up until about

1458
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 10: eleven thirty called football on the West coast and then

1459
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 10: woke up for a six o'clock radio show. So you're

1460
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 10: catching me right in the prime time of my day.

1461
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 8: Man.

1462
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that you never stopped working. Hey, we

1463
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: have it good. We're talking about sports. Let's start, obviously

1464
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: with the big news. Micah Parsons shipped from Dallas. Now listen,

1465
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: we had several guests on the show this week, rich

1466
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: and all of them said the same thing. Oh, Jerry

1467
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: o'cave at the last minute, Packers. They don't do these big,

1468
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 3: splashy moves. Everybody. I don't think anybody called this. Everyone

1469
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: was wrong.

1470
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,439
Speaker 4: How shocked were you that Micah got shipped to Green Bay?

1471
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 10: I was shocked like everybody else. I thought exactly what

1472
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 10: you said would come true, that eventually Jerry Jones would

1473
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 10: come to a census or cave, or Micah Parsons might

1474
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 10: come down from whatever number was unapproachable for the cowboy.

1475
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 10: I figured that this would this would go down where

1476
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 10: one day they would be, you know, twenty twenty five

1477
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 10: years from now, they would be putting Parsons in the

1478
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 10: ring of a hunter at at and T Stadium or

1479
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 10: whatever the sponsored name, right, will be on the top

1480
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 10: of the stadium at that point, and he would be

1481
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 10: telling stories about how I saw a stat today that

1482
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 10: in the common draft era, there's only been twenty nine

1483
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 10: first round draft picks that have gone to the Pro

1484
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 10: Bowl in their first four years in the NFL, and

1485
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 10: only one of them hasn't played for the same team

1486
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 10: in their fifth season, and that's Michael Parsons.

1487
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 4: Wow, oh my, that's crazy.

1488
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 3: Now, Lison, you've been around the league, you're with the Patriots,

1489
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: obviously you've seen a lot of things. Does this rank

1490
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: high up there in terms of just wackiness, because I'll

1491
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: be honest, I think this is bigger.

1492
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 5: Than this McCaffrey trade.

1493
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: I think it's bigger than Stafford, bigger than Khalil Mackett's,

1494
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: like Michael Parsons has been pretty damn dominant, and it's

1495
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: the Cowboys.

1496
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 10: It's not just franchise is shifting for the Packers and

1497
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 10: the Cowboys, frankly, but it's also league shifting. It does

1498
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 10: have the same feel to it as the Matthew Stafford

1499
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 10: trade and slightly potentially more impactful because this takes the

1500
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 10: Packers to a different level divisionally inside the NSC North

1501
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 10: and this obviously plummets the Cowboys already paltry chances and

1502
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 10: making themselves into a struggling team from last year into

1503
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 10: a playoff contender this year. This really was a poor

1504
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,520
Speaker 10: move by the Cowboys, and it was a head scratching

1505
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 10: move for Jerry Jones. He's a guy who typically likes

1506
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 10: to make a show of his franchise, but at the

1507
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 10: end of the day, he's a businessman and he knows

1508
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 10: what's good for business. And Micah Parsons would have been

1509
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 10: a good decision, a good business decision. And so I

1510
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 10: think something happened here that's not being one hundred percent

1511
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 10: accurately reported as it stands today. Something to me more

1512
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 10: personal occurred here, and whether that being Michael Parsons, and

1513
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 10: he was pretty honest about his feelings around these negotiations.

1514
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 10: Didn't appreciate the public nature of the negotiations and some

1515
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 10: of the things that Jerry was saying during those public negotiations,

1516
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 10: or perhaps Jerry Jones had, you know, something stuck in

1517
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 10: his crag here, but this felt like it went beyond

1518
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 10: business for some reason.

1519
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually after these big trades happen of stars, whether

1520
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 3: it's NBA or NFL, you start to hear, oh, well,

1521
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: this guy's reporting this now, and it was like, well,

1522
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 3: where was that when it was.

1523
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 4: Actually going down in the locker room.

1524
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm just curious. In your time in the league, obviously

1525
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: you saw guys maybe not locked in goofing off, but

1526
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,440
Speaker 3: it didn't make it into the media.

1527
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 5: Do you think that maybe.

1528
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: There were some people protecting Micah in that locker room,

1529
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 3: because you don't move off.

1530
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 4: A star like that if there aren't some lingering issues.

1531
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 10: I'm never gonna say never. But from a characters standpoint,

1532
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 10: I haven't heard anything negative about Micah Parsons. All you

1533
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 10: hear about, all you read about, all you see is

1534
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 10: his leadership. Now, obviously it's been reported that he was

1535
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 10: disgruntled with his pay, and there is a prideful nature

1536
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 10: amongst NFL players, especially the special players like Michaeh Parsons,

1537
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 10: where you're looking around the league and you directly tied

1538
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 10: the amount of respect that your franchise is giving you

1539
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 10: to the amount of money that they're paying you. And

1540
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 10: if you don't feel like you're being paid enough, you

1541
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 10: don't feel like you're being respected.

1542
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 8: Enough as a player or as a man.

1543
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 10: And I think that attitude started to grow within Micah Parsons,

1544
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 10: and maybe some of that sentiment was shared with teammates,

1545
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 10: but from a leadership or from a standpoint of taking

1546
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 10: the game seriously, I saw and heard none of that coming.

1547
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 8: Out of the Cowboys camp.

1548
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 10: I guess we'll see what reporting on veils itself here

1549
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 10: in the aftermath, as the dust settles in the dust clears.

1550
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 10: But as it stands right now, all I've heard is

1551
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 10: that he was a role model and a great example

1552
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 10: for young players on that team, and obviously a huge

1553
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 10: contributor on the field for the Cowboys. And this came

1554
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 10: out of the clear blue that he's been traded and

1555
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 10: he's no longer going to be in Dallas.

1556
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 4: All right, Rich, let me ask you this.

1557
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: You are being defensive of Michael Parson's, understandably so, but

1558
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 3: you did go to Penn State. Michael Parsons went to

1559
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: Penn State. Now, he also set out the COVID year.

1560
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 3: Remember that, Rich, he decided I'm not going to play

1561
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: at all. Were you surprised at that decision. I don't

1562
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: know if we spoke about that at the time, or

1563
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 3: maybe we hosted a radio show together, but I think

1564
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 3: we were surprised that Mark, Michael would sit out to season.

1565
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, some of.

1566
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 10: Those things, Man, when you rewind back to those times,

1567
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 10: some of those things do linger with people. And of

1568
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 10: course it depends on you know, maybe what side of

1569
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 10: the fence you're on at that time. But I think

1570
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 10: the further we get from there, I think many people

1571
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 10: have had the ability to compartmentalize, you know, their feelings

1572
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 10: or others' actions because it was a very unique time

1573
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 10: in all of our lives. I mean, that was almost

1574
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 10: an understanding between the union, the players, and the NFL

1575
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 10: owners that this is just going to be a very

1576
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 10: different season. It's going to be a very different feeling season,

1577
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 10: and there's going to be obviously accommodations made and many

1578
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 10: sacrifices made for those who.

1579
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 8: Are actually going to show up and play.

1580
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 10: And then likewise, there are going to be certain people

1581
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 10: who are just playing uncomfortable doing it. And I guess

1582
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 10: as a retrospective, anything's possible. So if you told me

1583
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 10: that Jerry Jones took umbradge with the fact that he

1584
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 10: didn't play, and then that got somehow reconstituted in his mind,

1585
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 10: I when he was reviewing Michael Parsons as a player

1586
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 10: in his organization during these negotiations.

1587
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 8: I suppose I would believe.

1588
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 10: You, but it would be hard to believe that Jerry

1589
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 10: Jones would let something that happened literally a handful of

1590
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 10: years ago affect his decision making today, especially when he's

1591
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 10: been such a standout player since.

1592
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,799
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to college football.

1593
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: So obviously you went to Penn State, played there before

1594
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: getting drafted, and a lot of people like the Niley

1595
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 3: Lions this year to win the national championship. I have

1596
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 3: a ticket on Penn State. I got to ask the

1597
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 3: James Franklin stat. You see it on the screen there,

1598
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 3: one in sixteen against top five opponents. Listen, I get it.

1599
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 3: If you want to write off, hey he's one in

1600
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 3: six you know he's two and seven, that's fine. We're

1601
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 3: talking about a seventeen game sample size of gagging in

1602
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 3: the biggest spots in the sport.

1603
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 4: Is this the year Franklin overcomes it?

1604
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 5: Or I don't know.

1605
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not that big of a deal to you.

1606
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 8: Rich Well, look, it certainly is a big deal.

1607
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 10: As an alumni, you want to see your team have success.

1608
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 10: But in terms of James Franklin, and I know him personally,

1609
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 10: he's a great man. He's a really solid recruiter, and

1610
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 10: obviously he's been able to create a culture and really

1611
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 10: have a rebirth culturally there at Penn State after some

1612
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 10: of the things that that program went through, and it's

1613
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 10: been incredible the heights that he's brought the program too.

1614
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 10: Now you can say one thing and also live in

1615
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 10: the reality that we're living in where he is one

1616
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 10: in sixteen against top five opponents, and that does hurt

1617
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 10: some of the conversation about the greatness that he has

1618
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 10: exuded since taking this head coaching position at Penn State.

1619
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 10: It's a problem, and I'm sure it's one that keeps

1620
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 10: him up at night sometimes when and.

1621
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 8: He sees that stat he's having a similar reaction.

1622
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 10: I promise you to all the Penn State alumni who

1623
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 10: would be proud if it was the inverse, if you

1624
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 10: were sixteen and one against top five teams.

1625
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 8: Right, YEA doesn't mean he can't win a national title.

1626
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 10: Doesn't mean he can't win against top five talent this season.

1627
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 10: Of course it doesn't, because every single football season is

1628
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 10: a different year. But does it mean that he has

1629
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 10: to change the approach and continue to tweak this thing

1630
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 10: and not rely that his way last year is going

1631
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 10: to be the right way this year? Well, well, no,

1632
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 10: he has to continue to evolve and work at this

1633
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 10: thing and make sure that his teams are ready to

1634
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 10: play in the biggest moments of the biggest games, where

1635
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 10: so many times we've seen failures, and I think he's

1636
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 10: I think he's up for that challenge. Knowing his attitude

1637
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 10: and his effort on a daily basis, not only from

1638
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 10: getting to know him, but also through other former colleagues

1639
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 10: and players that I was teammates with who have been

1640
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 10: honor currently on his staff, I think he's the type

1641
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 10: of coach who won't rest until he fixes this problem,

1642
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 10: and that fix could be in for twenty twenty five.

1643
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: Last question, Rich, real quick, Ohio State. You know a

1644
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 3: team you're dimly familiar with Ben's, say big rival. They

1645
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: are hosting a gentleman named arch Manning making his official launch.

1646
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 3: I know he started a couple games, But your best guess,

1647
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 3: just to be clear, we're all guessing as to whether

1648
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: Arts is gonna be good, bad, or at whatever. Your

1649
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 3: best guess as to how Art performs at the Shoe

1650
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: on Saturday.

1651
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,520
Speaker 10: My best guess is he's going to be prepared obviously

1652
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 10: coming from the great football lineage that he does, you know,

1653
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 10: the family that he comes from. He has access to

1654
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 10: some of the greatest football minds, and he's a text

1655
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 10: messager or a phone call away. And then he's been

1656
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 10: raised in this, He's been given the best avenue for

1657
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 10: success possible. And then also I appreciate the way Texas

1658
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 10: handled him last year, you know, leaving him a year

1659
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 10: to be an understudy learning the speed of the college

1660
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 10: game more way from the daylight and the bright lights

1661
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 10: of that stadium down in Austin, as opposed to being

1662
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 10: thrust into it and showcasing him at times and still

1663
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 10: having some success. So my best guess is that Arch

1664
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 10: Manning is going to live up to the billing and

1665
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 10: I can't wait. I think he's an explosive athlete, which

1666
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 10: is rare to say about a Manning playing football.

1667
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 8: And I also think that he's got a live arm.

1668
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 8: He can touch anywhere on.

1669
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 10: The football field, and he can do it with the

1670
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 10: type of feathering and layering that you absolutely need to

1671
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 10: have with the sort of athletes you're going to see

1672
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 10: on the defensive side of the ball now in college football.

1673
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 4: So Texas money line or what.

1674
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 8: You know, I don't hate it.

1675
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 5: I don't hate it, all right, I don't hate it.

1676
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 8: I don't hate the money line. I'll tell you what.

1677
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 10: That's where the value is. If you believe in Arch Manning.

1678
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 10: That's the money line back okay.

1679
01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: Rich Ornberger, radio host, former NFL player, former Penn State star.

1680
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, Rich, have a great weekend, buddy, anytime.

1681
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 8: J Max, you too,