1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and I welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I never told your prodiction of I heart Radios has 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: to firs as we record this. It is prime over 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: eating time, cuffing season. Also that yes, also only for me. 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Maybe other people have better moderation than I don't know. 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know not in this booth it booth here 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: it is the holiday times when a lot of us 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: do perhaps over indulged, but you know you only do 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: it twice a year. And it's at the same time 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: there's so many pies. How can you say no to 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: love pie? I do love pies so much. Okay, They're 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: at the top of my dessert hierarchy. Um. And so 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: we we on this classic for for you asking the 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: the age old question, I guess not, because the question 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: is is food the new sex? And this was after 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: you might remember there were a bunch of studies that 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: came out where it seemed that respondents were more excited 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: about something like a pie then sex. Yeah, I'm not 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I think that'd be more excited about pie. 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, pie is damn good. Um. And it got 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: me to thinking about kind of another avenue of this conversation. 22 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: I guess of how we use words to describe food 23 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: that are often sexual nature or things like UM, guilty, sinful, indulgence, UM, decadence, 24 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: commercials using women like sex objects or eating food like 25 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: they're having an orgasm or something. UM. But just just 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: a kind of weird intersection of consumption. I guess of 27 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: consuming women consuming food sexualizing both it's weird it is, 28 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: and I things like UM, guilty, guilt foods. UM. That's 29 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: something that I've really struggled with because I have been 30 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: somebody who's pretty strict about what I eat often, and 31 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: you do have those guilty foods. But I'm trying really 32 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: hard to get away from that kind of thinking. UM. 33 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Moderation is always good, but I don't want to feel 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: guilty about enjoying a slice of pie or have a 35 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: pie or a whole pie. Now, maybe I will feel 36 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: guilty about that. Little baby steps that way, we can 37 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: split it, okay, perfect, Oh, I'd love to do that. 38 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: We just spent New Year's last year and together, Yes 39 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: we did. Yes, we did it because you needed mac 40 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: and cheese and I ordered it twice and ordered it 41 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: twice success. It was delightful, very decadent indeed. Um, but yeah, 42 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: we hope that for those of you listening and celebrating 43 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: the holidays, that you have a wonderful holiday and that 44 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: uh you enjoy this classic episode Welcome to Stuff Mom 45 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: Never told You from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, 46 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen. Kristen. 47 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: As we are all doing a little bit of holidays 48 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: shopping maybe for our hams and our turkeys, our hams 49 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: and yams, Our hams and yams and turkeys and nothing 50 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: rhymes with turkey except maybe to furky, it would be 51 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: interesting maybe on your grocery trip, listeners, to think about 52 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: your attitude towards that food that you will be making. Right, 53 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: even though we don't have a very like a holiday's 54 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: specific thing to talk about, holiday is the season of feasting. 55 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Like presents are cool, sure, but what I really enjoy 56 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: even more than that is putting a lot of food 57 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: in my face. That's right, Yeah, to the point where 58 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: like you have to unbutton the pants, maybe just put 59 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: on stretchy pants. Get it over with. Yeah. And in 60 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: addition to that, speaking of stretchy pants, the holidays are 61 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: also the most wonderful time of the year for lovers. Traditionally, 62 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: you know, you think about like New Year's kisses and 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: cuddling up, you know, with chestnuts, roasting on open fire, 64 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,119 Speaker 1: kissing under mistletoe. So why not combine all of these 65 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: things in a holiday conversation A feast for your ears 66 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: about food and how food is seeped into many different 67 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: parts of our culture. Yeah, but also how pervasive sex 68 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: is in the culture, and how maybe food and sex 69 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: have swapped places. Yeah, and how they are, like, if anything, 70 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: so intertwined. So to kick things off, I've got a 71 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: quote here from Dr Helen Fisher, who we've referenced many 72 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: times on the podcast. She's done a lot of neurological 73 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: research on attraction in romance, and she was also the 74 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: chief scientific advisor to match dot com. And she says, food, sex, 75 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: and courtship go hand in hand in nature. Food also 76 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: informs what and how a partner eats, like with their 77 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: hands and if they share such crucial things about their habits, 78 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: health and empathy. They're also built to want an adventurous eater, 79 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: a sign that this individual will be flexible, a vital 80 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: trait for loving and parenting. Would you agree that you know, 81 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: if you go on a on a meal date with 82 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: someone you're attracted to, that they're eating style what they 83 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: order influences your attraction. Maybe, I mean, I guess I 84 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: don't want to go on a first date with a 85 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: guy who orders a salad. Yeah, I understand that, But 86 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't really want to go on a first date 87 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: with a guy who orders a turkey leg and eats 88 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: it with his bare hands either. I don't know what 89 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: if he ate the turkey leg though, with a knife 90 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: and fork, that would be weird. Then that would be 91 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: just like George Costanza with the Snickers bar. I don't know. 92 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: There's really no good in between. There is no good 93 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: in between. So basically, never take Caroline on a meal day. 94 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: I bowling. Bowling is good. Um. But one of the 95 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: reasons why we're asking this question of is food the 96 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: new sex is because in January two thousand nine, a 97 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: gal named Mary eber Stott, who works at Stanford's Hoover Institution, 98 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: which is a little more conservative leaning. We should say, 99 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: because this will make more sense that we talked about 100 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: the essay. She she asked whether or not food and 101 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: sex have switched places in Western culture. Yeah, Basically, the 102 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: attitudes towards sex we're you know, at one time very 103 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: very conservative now that they're not now. But she she 104 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: basically uses housewife Betty from Night and Betty's present day 105 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: granddaughter Jennifer, a thirty year old to point out the 106 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: differences and attitudes back then and now as far as 107 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: food and sex go, and how Betty would have used 108 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: canned and jarred food, lots of dairy, red meat, refined sugar. 109 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: She didn't care what she ate as long as she 110 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: liked it, right, And then there's Jennifer who was all like, no, 111 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: but you should be a vegetarian. I don't eat red 112 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: meat because of the saturated fat, bi organic and so 113 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: she just paints. So that's the food attitude, right, like 114 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: different food attitudes from the fifties and now, and then 115 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: compares the attitudes towards sex, which she says are like 116 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: completely flip flopped right as you can imagine, Old Betty 117 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: in ninety eight has more conservative views on sex where 118 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: it is restricted and bet and Betty is really just 119 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, the signpost for culture culture at the time, uh, 120 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, where you know, sex should be restricted to 121 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: a very heteronormative framework of husband and wife, even though 122 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: of course premarital sex was happening, but nobody talked about it. Um. 123 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: Whereas Jennifer, with her you know, organic cabinets and pess caterianism, 124 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: is just having sex with whoever she wants. Yeah, she 125 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: would never judge anyone for their sexual activity. And while 126 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: even star makes uh, you know, it's an interesting theory 127 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: to think about, like and you could say maybe at 128 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: first blush, oh, well, sure that that switch. I'll buy 129 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: that switch. But at the same time, though, there's also 130 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot of moralizing that is going on in this 131 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: essay that some people were not too fond of, because 132 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: she's saying that she was comparing the junk sex quote 133 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: of today with the junk food of yester year. Um, 134 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: but I don't well know that that that that's really 135 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the case. I mean it not that it's a terrible point. 136 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean it is interesting to think about changing attitudes 137 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: one way or the other. I mean she she points 138 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: out that Betty thought that there was a clear black 139 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: and white right and wrong about sex and thought that 140 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: her attitudes should be universal, and that's opposite for this 141 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: imaginary Jennifer who thinks that her attitudes on food should 142 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: be universal, and that everybody should be eating clean, eating organic, 143 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: you know, local, all this stuff, and that, of course 144 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm right, and y'all are wrong for not believing that. Yeah. Um, 145 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: and I also find it interesting that that this argument 146 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: is framed only in terms of two women, because the 147 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: way that we judge women for sex and how they 148 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: eat and therefore their body shape is completely different and 149 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: far more judgmental than how that is applied to men. 150 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: But that's just a bit of an aside. Uh So, 151 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: there were some some people that we've mentioned who we're 152 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: not totally on board with this quote unsubstantiated generalization dressed 153 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: up as an easily digested social theory, so says David Bell, 154 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: who is a professor at Johns Hopkins University. Yeah, he says. Basically, 155 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: why her theory doesn't work, according to Bell, is that, yes, 156 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: Americans ate a lot of things back in the day 157 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: that we now consider unhealthy. But he points out a 158 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: glance through magazines at the time reveals an emphasis on 159 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: healthy diets and a strong differentiation between good and bad food. 160 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: So he says, what has changed is not the people 161 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: have suddenly become judgmental, but just the content of their 162 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: judgments has changed. Yeah, and when when it comes to 163 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: food as well, like things were certainly not as lais 164 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: ay fair in when Betty was living, even though Betty 165 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: might not have had as much access to like fresh, 166 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: organic produced and things as we might now um. And 167 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: it also ignores how obesity at that time was still 168 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: considered something of a moral weakness. And it's only been 169 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: in more recent history that science has uncovered things like 170 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: while with the podcast that we did not too long 171 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: ago on how hormones influence that there's a lot more 172 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: to it than just what you're putting in your body. 173 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: And also Hugo Schweizer, who's a gender studies professor uh 174 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: points out too that it was in the nineteen twenties 175 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: that we have the emergence of good versus bad eating habits. 176 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: And this is also again something that's more applied to women. Um. 177 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: And it reminded me of the nineteen sixty three book 178 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: by Muriel Spark, The Girls of Slender Means UM that 179 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: I read recently, and it's tracks these women in England 180 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: post World War two, and there's a character in there 181 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: who is obsessive about her food and like a lot 182 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: of it has to do with them, um, you know, 183 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: selectively eating things in order to stay slim. So we 184 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: were still you know, back in the day. It's not 185 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: it's nothing new for us to be choosy. I mean 186 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people also are arguing, not only Schweitzer 187 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: but also Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic are basically arguing 188 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: that maybe either stat is putting too much weight on 189 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: the morality aspect of both sex and food, and that 190 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: they don't exactly line up when you flip flop them. Yeah, 191 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: so perhaps this you know, kind of cultural argument that 192 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: food is the new sex. Uh, you know, in theory 193 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really hold up. I'm gonna go ahead and say 194 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: that I don't. I don't buy that so much just 195 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: because it's too sweeping of a statement to make. But 196 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: when I think about is food the new sex, I'm 197 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: more to think about it on the level of like, 198 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: would I rather have this brownie than have intercourse like 199 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: or be you know, intimate or close to another person? Right? 200 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: Like do we eat instead of nurturing instead of feeding 201 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: our relationships? Right? I don't know, it depends on the brownie. 202 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: I guess, well, it seems like that it is kind 203 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: of this meme that's taken off online because how many 204 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: headlines do you see where it's like women think about 205 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: chocolate more than sex, then think about well, sex more 206 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: than sex. So yeah, so speaking of who is thinking 207 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: about what when and more than whom women in particular, 208 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: surveys have found do you think about food more than sex? Maybe? Maybe? Maybe? 209 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: Because these are these studies are coming from diet companies, Yeah, 210 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: that are surveying women, dietli and female yeah dieters. So yeah, 211 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: this was written about in time. In December, a survey 212 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: survey by shape Smart, which is a group that creates 213 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: personal health plans for its customers, found that of women 214 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: think about food every thirty minutes, compared to ten percent 215 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: of women who think about sex over the same time span. Yeah. 216 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: But you know what I found more concerning, you know, 217 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: who cares whether or not like women think about I 218 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: think about food more than sex because you know what, 219 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm hungry, Like, yeah, like I can have a sandwich 220 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: in my cubicle. I can't have sex in my cubicle. Um, 221 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: but by more concerning is the statistic that like sixty 222 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: of women in relationships are not happy eating in front 223 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: of their partner, and half of them are shy undressing 224 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: in front of their partners. Should be thinking about those 225 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: things more of these shame factors, and these surveys are 226 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: not helping shame factors. But to talk about some more 227 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: of these questionable yeah, these questionable survey results. There was 228 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: one from match dot com and it found that if 229 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: forced to choose, of single women would rather give up 230 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: sex than their favorite food for a year, and six 231 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: of single men would do the same thing. Yeah, I 232 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: don't know. Um. There was another study by Atkins, another 233 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: diet company, that found that of UK women thought about 234 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: food more than sex, and just over thirty seven percent 235 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: thought about eating more than they thought about their significant others. 236 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a lot of not thinking about 237 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: your significant other. I guess, well, what about if you're 238 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: does it count if you're thinking about eating with your 239 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: significant other, like what you're gonna make for the dinner 240 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: that you will eat together? Maybe I don't. Apparently, like 241 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: I am totally going to bat for thinking about food 242 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: all of the time. Well, there was another stat from 243 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: that study that kind of made me raise an eyebrow. 244 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: They found that ten of the women surveyed would feel 245 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: worse cheating on a diet than cheating on a partner. 246 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's a minority. But still yeah, 247 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: and again, like we're talking, we should be more concerned 248 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: about all the body shaming that's going on rather than 249 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: like what may or may not be happening in the 250 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: bedroom in my opinion, um, But thankfully there was a study. 251 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: I think we've cited it before. I know that I've 252 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: blogged about it. UM a while ago. Just came out 253 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: of Ohio State and totally a debunked the myth that 254 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: men think about sex every seven seconds or whatever it is. UM. 255 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: I also found that because it took a we finally 256 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: have a sample pool of men and women to look at. 257 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: And men do think about sex more than women, but 258 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: they also think about food more than women as well. 259 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: They think about sex nineteen times a day on average, 260 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: and these are college undergraduate dudes. I'd be curious to 261 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: see how it changes over age. An average of seventeen 262 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: times a day for sex and eighteen times a day 263 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: for food, So it's pretty equal. But for women, we 264 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: still got you know, doing it on the brain. On average, 265 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: we think about sex ten times a day and think 266 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: about food fifteen times a day. Yeah, so men are 267 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: thinking about sex and food more than we are. But 268 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: we're still thinking about sex and food quite a bit. 269 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: But what what do you think is in that gap though, 270 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: where where it's like in the gas between like the 271 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: food sex thoughts. My room, my roommate would say that 272 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: women are thinking about shopping. I know, he's such a dude. Yeah, 273 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it that. I'm probably thinking about um nope, 274 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: still food, still food. Yeah. No, I start planning, like 275 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: what am I going to do for lunch around ten thirty, 276 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: because usually ten thirties about snack time. I've had breakfasted 277 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: around eight ten thirty, I'm starting to need a granola bar. 278 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: By noon, I'm like, yeah, it's time to get a sandwich. 279 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: Let's change to tell this podcast to Christine Caroline's Food Dirty. 280 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: But no, on that note, though, and after this week 281 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: and move on. It is true that at nine this 282 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: morning I did I looked up at the clock and 283 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: realized that I was planning tomorrow night's meal in the 284 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: morning today. I don't know what that's now. If you 285 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: run out of tasks, maybe it's time to start that 286 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: shopping list. Talked about making the grocery storms. Um, So 287 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: what happens though in relationships, like when maybe food does 288 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: start to overshadow the bedroom. Yeah, well, you brought up 289 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: that whole thing about is a brownie more important than 290 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: intimacy with your partner? John DeVore over at The Frisky 291 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: wrote a column about this that he was really worried 292 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: that people were making food more important in their relationships 293 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: dan sex, and he says that when that happens, the 294 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: relationship is over. There's no more excitement. You clearly are 295 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: not thinking about each other and getting each other to 296 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: the bedroom. You're just thinking about, like about takeout menu? 297 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: Should we peruse this evening? Oh but it's greating takeout 298 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: with someone else? I know. I yeah, but I don't. 299 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't find a problem thinking about eating with a partner. 300 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: But he's saying that a month in, if you get 301 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: more excited about perusing the takeout menus together than picking 302 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: new sexual positions, you guys are done zo. Yeah, I mean, 303 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: and that sounds like it's more a case of just 304 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: a barometer of your attraction to the other person. Well. 305 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: He also brings up the junk food versus junk sex argument, 306 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: saying like, well, sex is omnipresent, cheap, it's so disposable 307 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: that it's easy to forget. It's one of our primary 308 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: pursuits as humans. So maybe we should be eating at 309 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: like Jillian Star restaurants and then going home and having 310 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: very very interesting intimate sex with each other Jillian Star sex, 311 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: jillion Star sex commers rated this sex um and like, 312 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: it makes total sense to that food and sex are 313 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: so intertwined. We haven't even talked about like like food sex, 314 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, like that a horrible scene in the Varsity 315 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: Blues with the whipped cream or nine and a half weeks. Yeah, 316 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: I didn't even see that. I don't even I don't 317 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: even want to know. Um, But it makes sense so 318 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: that these things are so intertwined, and we do obsess 319 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: with both of them so much because it's one of 320 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: our three like primal needs as humans. We need sleep, 321 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: we need sex, and we need food in order to survive, 322 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: and that's it. And in our brains these two things 323 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: are very closely intertwined because of how eating and having sex, 324 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: especially good sex, uh, services our reward systems and makes 325 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: us feel all nice inside. Yeah, because all these drives 326 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: are coming from the same place, right, the hypothalamus. Yes, 327 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: well so Kristina, I, um, if you're if you're up 328 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: on your podcast, Ladies and gentlemen, we did a podcast 329 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: on hormones and obesity and the hormones that drive you 330 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: to eat, that make you hungry, make you like, Okay, 331 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: well I'm not hungry anymore. I'm not gonna eat myself 332 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: to death, which is a good thing to have. Um. 333 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: Those brain chemicals do inhibit and stimulate feeding. They also 334 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: seem to be involved in the modulation of mood and 335 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: perhaps reward, similar to like the good hormones that are 336 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: released when you're having sex with someone. Right. Um, And 337 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: sexual behavior also regulated by the brain, and there's a 338 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: lot going on with the hypothalamus as well. But we 339 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: also have the spinal cord and endocrine glands involved, and 340 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: it motivates like our sex drive motivates a wide range 341 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: of planned behaviors in the same way that our hunger 342 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: drive motivates these behaviors. It's like full body engagement when 343 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: we are hungry, when we want to eat, and when 344 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: we want to have sex. Right, Like, I don't know 345 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: if you've seen me hungry, I don't want to see you. 346 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: That is quite a drive when I am hungry and like, okay, 347 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: I can start to get hungry, like okay, thanks a 348 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: going fine, Sorry, If I can just get a granola 349 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: bar here in a second, I'll be okay. And then 350 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: I start to get angry and I just can't stop 351 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: until I'm like that's I'm like the Snickers bar commercial. 352 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Some people see the red Caroline se send which is 353 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: watch out. That's right. But there's also interesting sleep studies, 354 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: like all these studies that have shown all of the 355 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: horrific things that can happen to your brain and your 356 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: body and your whole system if you don't get enough sleep, 357 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: and that can really mess with a lot of things 358 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: in your body, temperature control, metabolic balance, immune function. And 359 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: again we've got hormones, because hormones essential to sexual development 360 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: and reproductive capability are released on a schedule that is 361 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: related to sleep. Yeah, it's all intertwined in the circle 362 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: of life. We uh, you know, in order to have 363 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: good sexual functioning, we need good physical health, which requires 364 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: the good food, which also necessitates good sleep, and you know, 365 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. So it's a good 366 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: thing that we are so obsessed in a way with 367 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: food and sex. But what happens though when some wires 368 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: do get crossed and things like eating to soothe emotions 369 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: rather than hunger or as replacements for uh sex or 370 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: other kinds of needs takes over. Yeah, that would be 371 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: emotional eating. And reading about emotional eating because I was like, 372 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm mentally stronger than this. I'm not an emotional eater. 373 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: And then, of course, as I'm reading over exactly what 374 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: emotional eating is, what constitutes it, I was like, oh God, 375 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: I am an emotional eater because it's not that I 376 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: eat if I'm sad or angry or happy necessarily, it's 377 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: really what I'm bored. Well, tell tell our listeners what 378 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: emotional eating is. Yeah, So basically, you're trying to soothe 379 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: something in yourself when you're eating emotionally, and some signs 380 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: of that are that emotional hunger comes on suddenly, so 381 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: you're like cupcakes, whereas physical hunger comes on gradually. With 382 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: emotional eating, you crave a specific food, likely a comfort food, 383 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: which people eat to basically obtain or maintain a good feeling. Yeah, 384 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: Whereas if that grolling kicks in and you're super hungry, 385 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: then you are open to a wide arrange of options right, like, yes, 386 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: I'll go with the chicken, that's fine, Whereas if you're 387 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: emotionally hungry, you're gonna be like, oh my god, I 388 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: have to have cake, and I have to have it now. Yeah. 389 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: And not only that, when you are eating for hunger, 390 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: once the body is full, it will release the lepton 391 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: that tamps down on that signal saying eat, Whereas if 392 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: you are emotional eating, the lepton isn't gonna come in, 393 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: and so you're much more likely to over eat all 394 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: the cupcakes, all of them. Well, is it also emotional eating? 395 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: I feel like every time I have a beer, I 396 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: really want some salty snacks. Is that just I don't 397 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: know if that's something different. I think maybe that's the 398 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: beer hormone released in your brain. It could be. Um. 399 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: One interesting study that we found this is in the 400 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: Journal of Clinical Investigation in August talks about emotional eating. 401 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: You know, do we do we maybe just like eat 402 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: that cupcake and just mentally kind of feel better or 403 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: is there something more to it? And this study found 404 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: that we do receive a soothing effect on a biological 405 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: level when we eat emotionally, when we eat that comfort 406 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: food and basically what happened. Researchers fed subjects through feeding tubes, 407 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: so you don't see the cupcake or whatever. You're just 408 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: getting either a solution of saturated fatty acids because comfort 409 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: foods are often fatty, or a saline solution through a tube. 410 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: Then the researchers exposed the subjects to sad stuff, pictures 411 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: of sad people, they listened to sad music, and they 412 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: found that the subjects who received the fat were less 413 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: depressed than the control group who received the sailing solution. 414 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: And for further proof, I'm like getting super excited, my 415 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: voice is going away out, they did an m r 416 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: I that showed that the solution, the fatty acid solution, 417 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: actually dampened activity in parts of the brain involved in sadness. 418 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: So basically, hormones are getting released similar to sexual activity. Yeah, 419 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: and that's controlling all of the facets and rituals of 420 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: eating a fatty comfort food. So in that way, yes, 421 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: we can. We can totally replace sex with food, which 422 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: probably will not have the healthiest results though, because maybe 423 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: it's that that's saturated fat. Apparently, why can also can 424 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: we do a podcast on why the unhealthiest foods are 425 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: the tastey use foods. I guess it goes back to 426 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: our evolutionary past when it's we're queued into fatty things 427 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: for energy storage to keep us going, but still in 428 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: the modern era. Really really chaps me. Yeah, because the 429 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: co author of the study does point out that evolution 430 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: has made every aspect of feeding as rewarding as possible. 431 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: Although now, of course that may not be a good 432 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: thing because if we get rewarded by cupcakes every five minutes, 433 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: we might not be very healthy anymore, right, because that 434 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: that kicked in when food was scarce, But now food 435 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: is everywhere. We are surrounded by foods, and usually foods 436 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: that are not good for us. Well maybe ever, stat 437 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: would argue that we're also surrounded by sex all the time. 438 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: That's not good for us, cheap extramarital sex all over 439 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: the place. What would Jennifer say. Jennifer would say she 440 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: would say, yes, that the sex is uh just cheapening 441 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: our our lives because we're just treating it like basically 442 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: like ho host we're just eating them, We're just eating 443 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: it and it's making us Or would that be well, no, 444 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: though you would say that the sex are the new twinkies. 445 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: You know so anyway, But one thing, Not only are 446 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: we surrounded though by these readily accessible foods, we are 447 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: also now visually, even if we're not eating, we are 448 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: visually surrounded by images of food. We're talking about food 449 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: porn and in our next episode, Feast Part two, because 450 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: we've got to take a break. It's Christmas Eve and 451 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: we need to gorge ourselves to prepare for Feast. To 452 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: to talk about more specifically, like what happens with the 453 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: impact of all this food porn we're now surrounded with 454 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: and foodie culture, moving the conversation away from sex a 455 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: little bit into our culture at large and our general 456 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: obsessions with food, Like why do we even like we 457 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: watch food on television? Now? I can't, it's so hard 458 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: for me. But we'll get into that in the next one. 459 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: We'll get a yeah, tune in. We Caroline and I 460 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: are going to take a break and break all of 461 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the rules and eat everything that we can. Lots of ham, hm, 462 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: only we're gonna need a lot of water, Gonna make 463 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: a hand sandwich and mean, if it's in hand between 464 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: two pieces of ham, make some mustard, rabbit and bacon, 465 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: call it a day. Pig So we want to hear 466 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: from you though. Do you think that uh food is 467 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: the new sex? Has food ever replaced sex in a 468 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: relationship that you've had. Let us know all of your 469 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: thoughts and holiday wishes that we can make come true. 470 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: Ham Ham Mom stuff at Discovery dot Com. I hope 471 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: that we have not offended any vegetarians vegans out there. Yes, 472 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: there we go. Now before we get to our listener letters. 473 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: Got a quick word from our sponsor that brought us 474 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: this episode of stuff Mom Never told You, And now 475 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: back to our listener letters. And I said before our 476 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: our word from our sponsor that we uh, we had letters, 477 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: but we actually have a letter. Because this letter was 478 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: so comprehensive impact with information, wanted to to share it. 479 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: And it is in response to our episode that we 480 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: did a while ago on crazy Cat Ladies and whether 481 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: or not this parasite is making cat owners crisy. So yes, 482 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: this is a very extensive letter from Aaron covers a 483 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of ground about Gandhi, which is the parasite that 484 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, you can potentially pick up from your cat 485 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: and become insane relatively speaking. Okay, so she says that 486 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: we missed some key factors Christen, Oh, I know, she said. 487 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't think you ever mentioned how the cats pick 488 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: up toxo Cats become infected after consuming intermediate hosts like rodents, birds, 489 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: and other small animals harboring tissue cysts. Cats may also 490 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: become infected directly by ingestion of scorelated o osis. Possibly 491 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: that's how it's pronounced, but the prevalence of this o 492 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: sis shedding in cats is very low. Even though at 493 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: least fifteen of cats have been infected with toxoplasma at 494 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: some point, this means very few cats at any one 495 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: time are actually able to pass their infection onto people. 496 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: Infection is more common in pets that go outside, hunt 497 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: or are fed raw meat. You also didn't mention that 498 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: humans can get tea gandhi from meat. Animals, bread for 499 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: human consumption, and wild game may also become infected with 500 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: tissue cis after ingestion of those technical things with spoirrelated 501 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: stuff in the environment. Humans can become infected by any 502 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: of several roots bullet points, eating under cooked meats of 503 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: animals harboring tissue sits, consuming food or water contaminated with 504 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: cat feces, blood transfusion, or organ transplantation, trans plus sin 505 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: ely from mother to fetus, and she points out the 506 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: risk of contracting toxoplasma infection from cleaning the litter box 507 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: of a house cat is very small, especially if a 508 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: few simple precautions are observed. Clean your cats litter box 509 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: every day. Always wash your hands with soap and water 510 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: after cleaning the litter box. Keep your cat indoors. Keep 511 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: sandbox with covered so outdoor cats. Don't contaminate them with stool. 512 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: Cook all meat, especially pork, lamb, mutton, and wild game 513 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: to an inter internal temperature of a hundred and fifty 514 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: three degrees fahrenheit. Ensure children don't eat sand, which I 515 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: think is a general good policy anyway. She goes on 516 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: to say that a lot of the Gandhi research is 517 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: currently being criticized, so maybe we just shouldn't worry about 518 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: it as much, and she asks us please do not 519 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: encourage cat fear. So thank you Aaron for for laying 520 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: down some info. Yeah, we would never want to encourage 521 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: cat fear. If anyone heard my story about Sir Lancelot, 522 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: come on, cat that is not my own that I 523 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: have named. You probably know I am a Felino file. 524 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: I made that up. I'm not sure if filino file 525 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: is the correct way to say a cat lover, but 526 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: you get my point. Uh. And also another point is 527 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: this Happy holidays to all, and if you were listening 528 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: to this on your holiday break, congratulations and thank you 529 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 1: and may all of your holiday wishes come true and 530 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: feast away go for it. Uh. 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