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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A little twelve year old girl lured by two illegal

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Speaker 2: immigrants Venezuelan migrants under a bridge, brutally.

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Speaker 1: Assaulted for two hours and killed.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, does it never end for this

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Speaker 2: child's family? Not only have they been the victims of

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Speaker 2: the two alleged perps, but now the judge is piling on. Really,

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Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 1: In the last days, we learn that.

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Speaker 2: A Texas judge has attempted to stop little twelve year

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Speaker 2: old Joscelyn Nungre's family from speaking out about their little

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Speaker 2: girl's horrific death. A Texas judge blocking their attempt to

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Speaker 2: keep Joscelyn's story in the spotlight until they get justice.

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Speaker 2: This after lawyers for the two Venezuelan migrants accused of

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Speaker 2: murdering Joscelyn pushing for a gag order on officials that

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Speaker 2: would be law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, as well as Joscen's family.

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Speaker 2: These two guys, Franklin Jose Pina Ramos twenty six and

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Speaker 2: Johann Jose Rangel and Martinez twenty one, both entered our

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Speaker 2: country illegally at the southern border. They are both charged

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Speaker 2: with capital murder after they allegedly lured this beautiful twelve

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Speaker 2: year old little girl under a bridge, sex assaulting her

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Speaker 2: for hours before strangling her dead and dumping her little

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Speaker 2: body stripped into a Houston by you and now they

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Speaker 2: want Jocelyn's family to pipe down?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I would be lying on the.

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Speaker 2: Front of the courthouse steps screaming my head off and

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Speaker 2: why this is why the family a little Joscelyn, just

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Speaker 2: twelve years old, are sitting there hearing the facts laid

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Speaker 2: out in court that this little Texas girl there, Joscelyn,

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Speaker 2: is lured under a bridge, stripped bound with her hands

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Speaker 2: behind her back, sex assaulted and strangled. This as the

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Speaker 2: prosecutor says, I don't know if we can seek the

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Speaker 2: death penalty. You can the pain, that anger, the hurt

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Speaker 2: that this family is feeling as we learn the defendants

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Speaker 2: may not even be exposed.

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Speaker 1: To the death.

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Speaker 2: There's not a chance of the death penalty. What is

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Speaker 2: the family supposed to think? They erupt in open court

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Speaker 2: as they find out the horrific details surrounding the death

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Speaker 2: of their girl.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this victim was found you know, bound and without

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Speaker 3: clothing from the waist down in the water, and we

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Speaker 3: just think that there's a good possibility. We hope that

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Speaker 3: there's evidence that remains to be tested.

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Speaker 4: I'm still fighting for her, and I just remember that

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Speaker 4: she was a very special little girl that deserves her justice.

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Speaker 4: And I know she's going to make a difference in

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Speaker 4: this world for all children. And now it's my job

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Speaker 4: to make sure it continues to happen.

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Speaker 2: Why is it on the mom Why is it her

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Speaker 2: job to make sure that there is justice?

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Speaker 1: And I got to go to this panel with me,

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Speaker 1: an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first to Corey Peel, investigative reporter kp RC two

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Speaker 2: in Houston. Corey, did I just hear the prosecutor, whom

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Speaker 2: I've always respected up until a few moments ago, state

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Speaker 2: she was found pause unclothed, pause, unclothed, talk about putting

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Speaker 2: perfume on the pig, airbrushing, whitewashing, unclothed. I could be

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Speaker 1: This girl had her twelve.

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Speaker 2: Twelve, had her hands bound behind her.

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Speaker 1: She was forced under a bridge.

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Speaker 2: By two guys she doesn't know, adults, and she was stripped.

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Speaker 2: She was stripped from the waist down. Her pants were off.

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Speaker 2: I mean to hear aug say it unclothed.

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, these details were absolutely heartbreaking hearing in court. And

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Speaker 5: you know, at this point they were still kind of

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Speaker 5: skirting around the information on if she was sexually assault

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Speaker 5: or not to prove that she was in fact sexually assaulted.

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Speaker 5: But those details absolutely heartbreaking to hear in court, especially

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Speaker 5: for Johnson's family, and as you can imagine, emotions were high.

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Speaker 5: We heard a family member scream out at one of

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Speaker 5: the aspects, calling him a murderer and killer as they

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Speaker 5: were just in disbelief over this tragic and horrific crime

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Corey Peel and mescedit report kp RC two

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Andy.

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Speaker 2: Kahn, a longtime friend and colleague, director of Victim Services

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Speaker 2: Crime Stoppers Ann Houston.

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Speaker 1: What in the world is going on?

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm pretty sure if you commit an intentional murder,

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Speaker 2: which strangulation death is? This is a manual strangulation my hands.

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Speaker 2: While and then they name a host of fellies, including kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: Kidnapping. Kidnapping does not mean.

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Speaker 2: I bundle you in a trunk and I drive you

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Speaker 2: one hundred miles and hold you hostage. Kidnapping can mean

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Speaker 2: taking you one foot or one inch is called under

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Speaker 2: the law asportation. If that child is moved even one

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Speaker 2: inch under the law against her will, that is a

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Speaker 2: kidnap and therefore qualifies for a death penalty. Andy Kahn,

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Speaker 2: what is going on in your hometown.

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Speaker 6: You have a lot of convoluted laws that were passed

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Speaker 6: years ago involving capital murder of anyone who murders a child.

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Speaker 6: And in twenty nineteen they passed a law. Our legislators

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Speaker 6: passed the law removing the death penalty provision from anyone

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Speaker 6: who murdered a child from the ages of eleven to

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Speaker 6: fifteen unless it was done in conjunction of another offense.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's any ifens or bus about it.

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Speaker 6: She was taken against her will. It's actually assaulted. But

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Speaker 6: let's keep in mind, this is early. I would it's

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Speaker 2: Andy, I know that your politicians and the Texas legislature

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Speaker 2: had gutted the rules for aggravating circumstances for the death

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Speaker 2: penalty and many other jurisdictions when a child under fourteen

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Speaker 2: fourteen and under is murdered, that automatically qualifies for a

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Speaker 2: jury to look at the death penalty. Whether they give

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Speaker 2: it or not, that's on the jury. But forget about

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Speaker 2: the age requirement. Your legislature, Your Texas legislature changed the

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Speaker 2: rule when now the child has to be under ten

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Speaker 2: for it to automatically apply. That doesn't fit in this

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Speaker 2: scenario because Jocelyn is twelve. However, listen to me, there

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Speaker 2: is another condition under your law that your legislature has.

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Speaker 1: Managed not to gut yet.

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Speaker 2: That says if the death occurs the murder occurs during

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Speaker 2: a kidnap, that qualifies for the death penalty.

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Speaker 1: So what's the problem. I don't get it.

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Speaker 6: I don't get it either. My best guess is this

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Speaker 6: is a slow moving scenario. They want to get first

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Speaker 6: things done first, and then eventually they'll look at adding

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Speaker 6: the death penalty. You know, there's a reason we have

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Speaker 6: the death penalty in the state of Texas. We're known

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Speaker 6: as the death penalty capital of the world. And if

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Speaker 6: these two defendants don't fit the criteria for the death penalty,

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Speaker 6: you might as well just gut it all the way around.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we are hearing that the death penalty is being sought,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not advocating pro or con right now. I

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Speaker 2: am saying that if this case does not qualify for

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Speaker 2: the death penalty to be at least presented to a jury,

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Speaker 2: who will they make the decision? Not the prosecutor. But

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Speaker 2: it's not going to even be given as an alternative

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Speaker 2: to this jury because neither defendant has confessed to.

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Speaker 1: Raping the girl. What what I've got to wait for

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Speaker 1: them to confess.

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Speaker 2: If I had to wait for every defendant, every killer,

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Speaker 2: every rapist, every child molester to confess before they get sentenced,

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Speaker 2: that's never going to happen. The Fulton County jail would

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Speaker 2: still be full of the thousands of people I prosecuted because.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is going to confess. But this is what they did. Say.

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Speaker 1: You tell me what you think happened. Listen.

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Speaker 7: Johann Jose Ronyell Martinez and Franklin Jose Pineramos are both

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Speaker 7: charged with capital and murder. Paya Ramos tells police he

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Speaker 7: tried to convince Ronio Martinez to stop the attack on Joscelyn,

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Speaker 7: but he refused, telling Paena Ramos he had to finish

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Speaker 7: what he started. Nungary's hands are tied behind her back,

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Speaker 7: her feet are bound. Rodyo Martinez climbs on top of Jocelyn,

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Speaker 7: the bayou, but claims he didn't kill her. Paina Ramos

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Speaker 7: claims he only kissed the twelve year old and denies

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Speaker 2: Dodger Bethany Marshall, you know I'm a teetotaler, but this

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Speaker 2: is driving me to the bottle. Dodtor Bethany Marshall with

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Speaker 2: me renow it Psycho Alas joining us out of Beverly

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Speaker 2: Hills at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com Doctor Bethany. I've had

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Speaker 2: so many defendants and code defendants who will tell you

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Speaker 2: the story about what happened their version, but they leave

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Speaker 2: out the critical moment. For instance, Dodger Bethany and I

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Speaker 2: were robbing a bank and I said, don't kill anybody.

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Speaker 2: Bethany and she went in and we both had guns

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Speaker 2: and I turned my head for just a moment and

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Speaker 2: I heard a gunshot, but I didn't see anything. And

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Speaker 2: when I turned back around two bank tellers were dead

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Speaker 2: and bleeding out in the floor. That one critical moment

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Speaker 2: somehow gets fuzzy, and here we see both defendants, one

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Speaker 2: claiming he quote only kissed twelve year old Jocelyn while

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Speaker 2: her hands were tied behind her back and her pants

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Speaker 2: and underwear were stripped off her body, just before one

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Speaker 2: of them crawled on top of the girl and strangled her, saying, quote,

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Speaker 2: he had to finish what he started, and all the

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Speaker 2: other one did.

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Speaker 1: Was kiss her.

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Speaker 2: Who and the h eight double L kisses a twelve

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Speaker 2: her pants and underwear stripped off, that's kissing her.

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Speaker 4: There's so many things wrong with this narrative, and also

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Speaker 4: so many tell tell signs that they are lying. First

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Speaker 4: of all, minimizing by saying I kissed her. Criminals always minimize,

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Speaker 4: and as you pointed out, being so vague about the details.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they throw in too many details, but most likely

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Speaker 4: in this case, they're leaving out a lot of horrific

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Speaker 4: details that are going to come out as this court

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Speaker 4: case continues. And also minimizing the fact that she is

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Speaker 4: a twelve year old little girl, and also the language

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Speaker 4: is so inaccurate, Nancy. Let's take out rape, assault, and

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Speaker 4: kidnap and let's put torture at the top of the list.

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Speaker 2: Also, as we go to air, we learn Jocelyn's mother

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Speaker 1: Poor woman.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's trying to make some positive impact as a

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Speaker 2: result of what happened to her daughter. Just my heart

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Speaker 2: breaks for this mom.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last days we learned to Texas judge is

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Speaker 2: lashing out not at the two men charged with assault, sex,

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Speaker 2: assaulting and murdering a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Hungary,

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Speaker 2: but at Jocelyn's family.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that, Bess Awkwards.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to another friend and longtime colleague, doctor

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Speaker 2: Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner.

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Speaker 1: That's not easy.

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Speaker 2: You fight your way to get in medical school, you

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Speaker 2: fight your way through medical school, you do a residency,

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Speaker 2: it's dog eat dog, everybody wants your spot, and he

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Speaker 2: somehow climbs his way to the top to become the

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Speaker 2: chief medical examiner in Terrt County.

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Speaker 1: That's for that's this neck of the woods.

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Speaker 2: Also lecturer at the Burnett School of medicine at TCU,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I've prosecuted literally thousands of cases, thousands

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Speaker 2: all felonies. When you are prosecuting and you didn't experience this,

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Speaker 2: you have.

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Speaker 1: To be a machine.

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Speaker 2: You cannot think about the details of the case, or

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Speaker 2: I would crack if I had to think about it.

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Speaker 2: But as I'm listening to doctor Bethany talk, I'm wondering if.

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Speaker 1: You go through this, as you.

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Speaker 2: Perform autopsies on little girls, little children, to think about

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Speaker 8: So you can't get emotionally charged when doing your work,

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Speaker 2: Not only do we learn what happened under that bridge

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Cora Lee Peel, Investigative reporter or kp

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Speaker 2: they're both going to be charged with rape because while

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Speaker 2: They're both going to be charged with that and both

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Speaker 2: be death penalty qualified. Corley Peel again, investigative news reporter

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Speaker 2: Surveillance video goes on, you see her walking the little

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Speaker 1: So Coraly Peel, how did they get caught?

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Speaker 2: The incredible surveillance montage that reveals everything I just told you.

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Speaker 2: You see them taking her under a bridge and then

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those photos were essential in this case. As

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Speaker 5: soon as the men saw their photos being plastered across

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Speaker 5: But it's really interesting because Franklin Pinya, he actually called

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Corley Peel again. You got me drinking

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Speaker 2: from the fire hydrant. You know so many facts, and

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Speaker 5: So basically, long story short, he calls nine one one,

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Speaker 5: I talked to prosecutors at that press conference and I said,

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Speaker 4: That week while they were on the run.

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Speaker 5: But again they got scared after these photos were released

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Speaker 2: And now Coraline Peel from kp RC two is telling

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Speaker 1: They did, what about it?

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Speaker 9: Those were indicative of guilt, Nancy. These guys knew what

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Speaker 9: the advertisement, the warnings on TV, and they knew that

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Speaker 9: as soon as possible. They're criminals, are animals, That's what

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Speaker 2: And the mother of the twelve year old Houston girl

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Speaker 2: strangled and killed by two men before a US Senate

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Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee begging for stronger border legislation. Bad enough, what

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Speaker 1: That will never go away.

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Speaker 2: But for a judge to pile on, I'd like to

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Speaker 2: there will not be a grounds of appeal for too

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Speaker 2: much pr too much media surrounding the case. Well, I

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Speaker 2: But what about the facts leading up to the arrests?

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Speaker 2: What do we know about what happened that night? Bite Marks?

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about bite Marks. Joining me, Corley Peel, investigative reporter,

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Speaker 2: KPRC two Houston, Corley, I want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: injuries to not only the two defendants.

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Speaker 1: Do you know when we first started talking.

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Speaker 2: Almost got sick to my stomach as you were describing everything,

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Speaker 1: Mind go to where this was that night and.

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Speaker 2: What the little girl lived through, what Jocelyn lived through

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Speaker 5: Yeah, heartbreaking information that we received in court this week.

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Speaker 5: Apparently from what we heard from prosecutors that Jostin was

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Speaker 5: Learned that Martinez Renjell he was also found with bite

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Speaker 5: So very heart wrenching information to hear from prosecutors as

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Speaker 5: to hear because she's only twelve years old. No family

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Speaker 2: I don't want us to gloss over the truth. And

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Speaker 6: I'm murdering.

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Speaker 1: A twelve year old little Houston girl.

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Speaker 2: Andy Kahn. Listen up, you're next under a bridge. According

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Speaker 2: to prosecutors, they strip her naked, that's from the waist down,

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Raped?

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Speaker 2: That's what that means. And one of them has the

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Speaker 1: Just kissed her. You kiss a twelve year old little

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Speaker 2: Naked, sold her for two hours, allegedly binding her not

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Speaker 2: her feet were also bound, as doctor Bethany Marshall accurately

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Speaker 6: Nancy, this is a real life Texas chainsaw massacre? What

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Speaker 6: happened to Joscelyn? The only way I can describe what

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Speaker 6: you see what lions do to Gazelle's and that's what

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Speaker 6: It is an absolute bloodbath. What happened to her. I've

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine the pain that they're going through. Yet.

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Speaker 6: At the same time, we're also going to make Joscelyn

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Speaker 6: Nungary a catalyst for change. I know there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Death ubi Con too soon, too soon to talk about

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Speaker 2: and her rape and murder is going to be a

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Speaker 2: catalyst for change. You know, I don't normally say this

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Speaker 2: to you, Indicama.

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Speaker 1: Screw that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear how, somehow we're going to

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Speaker 1: B ask Con, what are you saying?

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Speaker 2: And I asked you what these injuries meant? And you

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Speaker 2: The question was what do these injuries on her back?

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Speaker 1: Mean? Do I have to spell it out for you.

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Speaker 6: It means that she was tortured, she was tortured, she

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Speaker 6: the death penalty is going to be sought in this case.

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Speaker 6: That is no if ans or buts from my perspective.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. You, as I have worked with so

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Speaker 2: many children and adults that were raped or sodomized as children,

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Speaker 2: and what the adults tell me is that the worst

441
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Speaker 2: thing about it was the feeling of helplessness, powerlessness.

442
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Speaker 1: How some of them.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I didn't know about this phenomenon until an adult

444
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: female victim of Chamala Station told me about it. That

445
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: she would actually disembody as she could look down at

446
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: her body as her father was raping her, and her

447
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: mother sided with the father and pretended she didn't know

448
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: anything about it went on for you.

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00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Okay, you have to go with me.

450
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Down this dark tunnel, because I'm going to tell you

451
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: what happened. This little girl, while bound with her hands

452
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: behind her.

453
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: And stripped, was forced down on the ground and was

454
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Speaker 1: raped for two hours.

455
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: Then one of the finets climbed on top of her

456
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: and manually strangled her. And then they throw her body

457
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: likely face down into a buy you that's what happened

458
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: to this girl. She should be practicing her chill o,

459
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: what instruments she was playing. She should be enjoying summer,

460
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: jumping in the apartment complex pool, playing with her friends,

461
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: going to get ice cream, talking to her little BF

462
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: boyfriend off the phone. But that's what happened to her.

463
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Speaker 2: That is what those injuries tell me. And there's no

464
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: way around it. I don't care how much everybody on

465
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Speaker 2: this panel wants to skirt away from it.

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Speaker 1: That is what happened.

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Speaker 2: She was raped in the dirt on the ground under

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Speaker 2: a bridge by two adult males while her hands were

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Speaker 2: tied behind her back.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: If I could add to that, there was a moment

472
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Speaker 4: before all this happened, when these guys asked her for

473
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Speaker 4: directions where she felt useful. She wanted to help them.

474
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: And then, for anyone who's listening, who's ever been in

475
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: an accident, and all of a sudden, you know, things

476
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 4: have turned. There was that dawning of realization when they

477
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: take her under the bridge that something really, really bad

478
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: is going to happen. They bind her hands and her legs,

479
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: and at that point she may not even know what

480
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: is about to befall her, but on some levels she

481
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: knows she's going to die. They take their pants off.

482
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Speaker 4: We're talking about them taking her pants off. Let's think

483
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: about two grown men taking their clothing off in front

484
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Speaker 4: of a little girl. We don't even know she's ever

485
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: seen the naked man before. And all those cuts along

486
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: her back. They threw her on the ground. This was

487
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Speaker 4: under a bridge I picture, you know, empty aluminum cans, glass,

488
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: you know, also debris we see under kid under bridges.

489
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: They threw her on that debris. And as they were

490
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: raping her and thrusting themselves into her again and again,

491
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: her back was scraping along the ground. They didn't rape

492
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: her once twice. These men raped her multiple times, each

493
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Speaker 4: one looking on as the other one did it. That

494
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Speaker 4: is animalistic behavior. And it's not just the rape, it's

495
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Speaker 4: the cruelty. It's the total lack of regard for what

496
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: was happening to her body and Nancy. These guys I

497
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: think were drunk and substance abusing. So this does not

498
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: exonerate them, but for a whole level worse where they

499
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: are just treating her like a sack of potatoes, and.

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Speaker 2: The control room is reminding me in my ear, these

501
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: two illegal immigrants charged with the murder of a twelve

502
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: year old little girl under the eyes of Lady Justice

503
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: are innocent until proven guilty. Mom Alexis Nungary has now

504
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: become a staunch advocate for stronger border security since the

505
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: murder of her little girl, repeatedly standing alongside politicians like

506
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Speaker 2: former President Donald Trump in their call for stronger measures.

507
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Speaker 2: Now again, let me be clear. I'm not a Republican

508
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not a Democrat. I'm just telling you that

509
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: the mom of Jocen Nungary is out there trying to

510
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: make a.

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Speaker 1: Difference crime stories with Nancy Grace. The defense and.

512
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: Harris Carey prosecutors are wrestling over the scope of a

513
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: potential gag order in the case. The judge, Judge Josh Hill,

514
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: told them to abide by the state's rules of professional conduct.

515
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Speaker 2: What does that mean? Prosecutors also asking the judge to

516
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: grant them access to all of Wrangel. That would be

517
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: Johann Jose Martinez Wrangle's immigration and custom enforcement and border

518
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: protection records and a pair of court filings. The judge

519
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: granted the request. The Assistant District Attorney Michael Abner wrote,

520
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: quote In this case, a defendant lured a twelve year

521
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: old under a bridge where he and his co defendant

522
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: remained with her over two hours, took her pants off,

523
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: tied her up, and killed her, then threw her body

524
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: into the Bayou. Arraignment came just one day after Nungary's

525
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: mother testifies before the House Judiciary Committee in Washington, begging

526
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Speaker 2: for lawmakers to secure the border. As she reveals a

527
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: horrific timeline of events. This little girl did not bind

528
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: herself at the hands and feet, scratch her back up

529
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: on the ground, take off her own pants and underwear

530
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: and fling herself into the water. Okay, they did it,

531
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Speaker 2: and anything they say is a lie. Now we know

532
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: the family has been subjected to hearing the facts the

533
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: way we've been talking about them.

534
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: No mother wants to hear this.

535
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Speaker 2: I don't even want to hear it about another child,

536
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: much less this mom hearing it about her own child.

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00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 2: Why are people suggesting that the family of Joscelyn Missed

538
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: behaved in the courtroom.

539
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: They didn't misbehave.

540
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: The two defendants mis behaved, according to police, to any

541
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: con to write her victim services.

542
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: They're in Houston. Do you blame them.

543
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 6: No, absolutely not. I mean I've been in the courtrooms

544
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 6: where families have gotten up and have yelled. I've been

545
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: in a courtroom where a bailiff whispered to me and said,

546
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Speaker 6: I'll let the father of the young girl that was murdered.

547
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 6: If he goes over the rail, I'll give him a

548
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: few minutes before I pull him off. No, nobody blames

549
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 6: them for anything that happened. I don't blame them for

550
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 6: unleashing as well. I would probably do the same. This

551
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 6: is the worst possible scenario you can imagine. This family

552
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 6: is undergoing right now. Joscelyn is everybody's daughter. She is

553
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 6: everybody's sister. She is everybody's niece. This is not just

554
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 6: a Houston issue. It's not just a Texas issue. She

555
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 6: has become the national issue for what happens when you murder, rape,

556
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 6: and strangle and kid a twelve year old little girl.

557
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: You know Andy again, I consider your friend. We've worked

558
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: together for many, many years. But does your mouth ever

559
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: get tired of just saying the.

560
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: Same thing blah blah.

561
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: She's the poster girl for filling the blank. She's a

562
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: catalyst for change. She represents every girl. Really, that one

563
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: of these people keep coming into our country and committing murders,

564
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: and not just them, other purpose. You see it over

565
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: and over, repeat offenders praying on victims, younger, less cunning,

566
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Speaker 2: less powerful than they are, and they walk free, and

567
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: then they do it again. A catalyst for change. This

568
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: is one in a string of many. Do I have

569
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: to name them off? There's Lincoln Riley, There's Molly Tibbis,

570
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: there's Rachel.

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Speaker 1: Morn He goes on and on.

572
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, Man converse, same as the first.

573
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Speaker 6: That's why I'm here to do that, to make sure

574
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: that what happened with her, at least we can make

575
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 6: the attempt that it doesn't happen to somebody else. That's

576
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 6: the least we can do in her honor and in

577
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: her memory. And that's what we're going to do.

578
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: You know what, Andy con You're right. I'm sorry. You

579
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: just happen to be the target of my.

580
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: Anger and frustration about what happened to this girl. Doctor

581
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, how are we going to prove she was raped?

582
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: How does it happen? And that medical examiner darnwell being

583
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: dotting his eyes and crossing his tees as he or

584
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: she performs this rape kit.

585
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 8: So proving a sexual assault, you can look for damage

586
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 8: to the vagina, the anus. Usually it's tearing, contusions or bruises,

587
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 8: abrasions or scratches from the forceful penetration. And then you

588
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 8: can also do a sexual assault kit, also known as

589
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 8: a race kit, where you collect evidence pubic hairs from

590
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 8: the individual, also any hairs that are on the body.

591
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 8: You do DNA swabs of the body as well as

592
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 8: DNA swabs of the vagina, anis, and mouth, and then

593
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 8: those can be tested for DNA of the possible perpetrator.

594
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Speaker 8: It can take several weeks for all that to come back, though.

595
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: Doctor Kittle Crowns, you and I both know that it

596
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: doesn't take several weeks to get DNA.

597
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: Why are you saying that.

598
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 8: Well, it does take several weeks for the testing to

599
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 8: get done. You can't just expect it to happen overnight.

600
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: There's not an immediate DNA test because I've had them

601
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: done at the crime lab.

602
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 8: I mean rapid DNA tests are using.

603
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: There's a quick test result.

604
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 8: Well, you can get quick test results, correct, but you

605
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 8: can't necessarily pinpoint it to the specific individual without doing

606
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 8: all the specific testing.

607
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: Well, okay, then your text is crime lab must work

608
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: differently than the one that I use.

609
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: Because we can get quick results.

610
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: I know they're not as reliable as they wants to

611
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: take two weeks, but it's enough for death penalty, indictment,

612
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: and one more thing very quickly. Doctor Kendall crowns about

613
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: the bite marks in her condition. Tied up, hands and

614
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: feet on her back, she managed to bite a defendant.

615
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: Is there a chance we could get his DNA out

616
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: of her mouth?

617
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: Yes, that is a possibility.

618
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 8: If she bit hard enough and pulled skin cells off,

619
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Speaker 8: it's possible that they could get it from her mouth.

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00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: Mat to Cory p Old kp RC two, what is

621
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: happening right now?

622
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Speaker 5: Both men are in jail with the ten million dollar

623
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 5: bonds each, so we're still waiting to see if those

624
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: charges will be upgraded or if they will face the

625
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 5: death penalty.

626
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: Still a lot more to uncover in this case, for sure.

627
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: And you know what else breaks my heart? Andy con

628
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 2: that the mom God be with her. Keeps saying thank

629
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: you everybody for all your support. I'm so grateful. She

630
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: shouldn't even be in this position. And I heard Ogg

631
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: is a pretty good prosecutor state that the prosecutors and

632
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: law enforcement are under so much pressure because there is

633
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: just a wave, wave after wave after wave of criminals

634
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: from other countries coming into our country, and right there is.

635
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Speaker 1: One of the hubs where they come in.

636
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: So I've got to contend with not only our US,

637
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: our American citizens performing depraved acts on children.

638
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: Now I've got them coming over to do it.

639
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Speaker 6: I see last year, last August, I worked with a

640
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 6: family who was a eleven year old girl was raped

641
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: and murdered by an undocumented immigrant who is now facing

642
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 6: the death penalty. That was last August. So I sadly

643
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 6: I've worked with families that are facing this situation, and yeah,

644
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 6: it's a broken system all the hell.

645
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: In the last days, Mom testify at the House Judiciary Committee,

646
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: stating waking up to know your child was missing and

647
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: frantically searching the area where her phone was being pinged

648
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: just two minutes away from her home, driving up to

649
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: that exact location to see crime scene tape and officers

650
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: by a bridge. She went on to say that officers

651
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: at the scene could not provide answers, but forty five

652
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: minutes later she got a phone call from police asking

653
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Speaker 2: her to come downtown. Quote, I'm still hanging onto the

654
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: hope my twelve year old daughter is still somewhere out there.

655
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Speaker 2: They bring me to the floor labeled homicide division. What

656
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: this mother has gone through? A gag order of being

657
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: requested and Johnson's family tolding, and Johnson's family being told.

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Speaker 1: To pipe down? When will it end? We wait as

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Speaker 1: just as unfold. Good Bye friend,