WEBVTT - Ep. 33: Bear Grease [Render] - Juju's Christmas Party

0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200
<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.040
<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I have a I do have a big I do

0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.440
<v Speaker 1>have a big mustache, it's a fact. And I have

0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:56.560
<v Speaker 1>a pretty big beard. But Dan's beard has has like mass, course,

0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.040
<v Speaker 1>like it's a mask, like it's dense. It's horse is

0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it not? Yeah, it's It's a good beard. It I've

0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.600
<v Speaker 1>always said that. That's the main reason I like Dan.

0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have I had no Did you know Dan

0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.720
<v Speaker 1>looks good in a beard. I'll be honest with you.

0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Josh. I'm not gonna tell all your people

0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.200
<v Speaker 1>what I think about your beard. But Gary, the world

0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.520
<v Speaker 1>saw that picture of me and Clay at the cost

0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Tot River and Clay and Nucombe without a beard is

0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.319
<v Speaker 1>a handsome man. Clay Nuncombe with a beard is a

0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:35.080
<v Speaker 1>handsome man. Josh Spillmaker without a beard is a It

0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.840
<v Speaker 1>hurts the eyes to look at how you were a

0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.640
<v Speaker 1>handsome man. You saw it? Did you see what I

0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.480
<v Speaker 1>wrote on on Instagram? The reason I didn't have a

0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.119
<v Speaker 1>beard was probably because you told me it held too

0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.440
<v Speaker 1>much scent and I would never kill a deer. While

0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.920
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, Dad, listen. Gary Nucombe was a banker.

0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.000
<v Speaker 1>He had to look professional when he went into the

0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.040
<v Speaker 1>bank every day to be se sporting a little to

0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:05.240
<v Speaker 1>go to so his the way he lived in sense

0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.280
<v Speaker 1>free in a in a positive way. I mean, I

0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>think this is a good thing. And so I've always

0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.800
<v Speaker 1>had a beard, Clay. When I met you, your hair

0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.760
<v Speaker 1>was like wild and you had a beard. How did

0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:24.320
<v Speaker 1>that upstanding career imprint on you? Why don't you do?

0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.840
<v Speaker 1>You want to give your it is he just wanted

0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to go opposite of anything. And I mean, and that's

0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know one other thing. Look where you ended up.

0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're one probably inch from Folsom not in Mexico,

0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:52.359
<v Speaker 1>but prison all he's lacking as a neck tattoo. It's

0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.720
<v Speaker 1>just a little deeper than the color shows. Welcome to

0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the bear, Gary, surrender man. Yeah, this is this has

0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.040
<v Speaker 1>started off great. Hey, this is we have a we

0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.000
<v Speaker 1>have a secret guest. We will reveal this guest later,

0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.480
<v Speaker 1>but this guest has committed not to make a peep.

0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.560
<v Speaker 1>The energy, the energy of the bear Grease render Christmas

0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.600
<v Speaker 1>party which you are all a part of. Congratulations, this

0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.320
<v Speaker 1>is a Christmas party. And why don't you describe the

0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.520
<v Speaker 1>core that you see around? Well, it's lovely, it's seasonal.

0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.520
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of antlers and old books. It actually

0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.360
<v Speaker 1>looks like it always does, except for the Christmas cookies.

0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was about to say. There is, and

0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I've already had at least one, but I've been told

0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't eat anymore because it makes a lot of

0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.440
<v Speaker 1>noise through the mic. It's a little testy about for

0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas party. There's I will say, there's tension in

0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the room at Christmas. I'm not feeling of expectations. I

0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:55.360
<v Speaker 1>think under a Christmas party with a lot of times

0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.600
<v Speaker 1>about why you can and can't be, you will have

0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:05.240
<v Speaker 1>fun on my terms. Uh, that is exactly right, That's

0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.840
<v Speaker 1>exactly right. Hey, We're we are going no foreshadowing here, folks.

0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.480
<v Speaker 1>We're we're going to have an actual Christmas party. We

0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.520
<v Speaker 1>have gifts, We're gonna have it. We're gonna have a

0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:21.880
<v Speaker 1>gift exchange. There's gonna be singing, there's going to be refreshments.

0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.400
<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be incredible. There's the saddest part of

0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:30.000
<v Speaker 1>this is that Brent Reeves couldn't be here, So Bret,

0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.359
<v Speaker 1>we have an empty chair for We'll have a special

0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.440
<v Speaker 1>holiday greeting for us. Although will be on this episode

0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of Wonderful, So I will introduce my guests though. To

0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.520
<v Speaker 1>my left, Dr Dan Route, Hey, great to see you, Dan,

0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Great to be here. Yes, to your left, my lovely wife,

0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Missy Nukelem always good to be here. Yes, great to

0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.960
<v Speaker 1>see you. Good to see you. Marry Christmas, Merry Christmas.

0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:59.080
<v Speaker 1>To to your left, Josh the Lambridge spilmmaker, Which I'm

0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.680
<v Speaker 1>thrilled that the land Bridge came up once again and

0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.479
<v Speaker 1>this episode it did. I feel like every time the

0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.560
<v Speaker 1>word land Bridge is mentioned, there should be like a

0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:13.120
<v Speaker 1>little jingle or something like, hey, I got your new

0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.640
<v Speaker 1>tattoo though that you need on your neck. Now that

0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Gary thinks we should be in prison, they walked their

0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:24.000
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote, I like that it's tagline. They walked there.

0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean he said it like a real matter of fact.

0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.640
<v Speaker 1>He said they walked there, like it was like he

0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.240
<v Speaker 1>he started it and stopped it in such a way

0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.320
<v Speaker 1>with the enunciation of his voice, like there was no arguing.

0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I noticed you wanted there was a small part of

0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you that wanted to kind of bring up a different view,

0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you quickly were like, Okay, let's move on. Yeah,

0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.159
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I mean, I'm pro lanb. Bridge, but

0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm also pro you know Taylor Keenes saying the Cherokees

0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.240
<v Speaker 1>came from the South via water route. This is a lot.

0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.719
<v Speaker 1>This is deep waters pun intended. But your tattoo should

0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.800
<v Speaker 1>say they walked here. I like it, Like and the

0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and the Vikings made it to Heathenar, Oklahoma. We know

0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that for sure. The ruinstone look it up. Okay. To

0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.839
<v Speaker 1>Josh's left is our secret special, very dear special guest.

0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.680
<v Speaker 1>But her left is Gary new come back from wherever

0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.040
<v Speaker 1>he's been, back from the grave. Good to be here.

0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Where have you been? Gary? Well, I can't tell you.

0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.360
<v Speaker 1>It's secret, secret secret. I'll tell you what. I will

0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.240
<v Speaker 1>give you a little hint though. I've been doing some

0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:41.559
<v Speaker 1>research thinking about writing a book on the Black Panther. Y. Hey,

0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I can go ahead and foreshadow this meat eater.

0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.680
<v Speaker 1>We are coming out with a hat that is going

0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.360
<v Speaker 1>to be the design of the Bargaras hat. It's gonna

0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.640
<v Speaker 1>have those same colors. It's gonna be a patch hat

0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.400
<v Speaker 1>with the same colors, and it's got the silhouette of

0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.479
<v Speaker 1>a black panther and it says believe Yes. That will

0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.640
<v Speaker 1>be for sale on the meat Eator dot com. Very,

0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say soon and soon when we're talking

0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:14.120
<v Speaker 1>about geologic time might be like, you know, like February

0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.960
<v Speaker 1>soon might be like when this thing comes out with me. Well,

0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.560
<v Speaker 1>everything except for when we're talking to geologic time. Well, okay,

0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.840
<v Speaker 1>when I say soon, there are many qualifications to that

0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.480
<v Speaker 1>term soon to Some people might be like tomorrow, got

0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it soon, But I don't know exactly when soon is.

0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's a believer hat. So well, it's good to

0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:41.559
<v Speaker 1>see you, so to Gary Newcoms. Right is our special guest,

0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:48.960
<v Speaker 1>my dear mother in her dream sweater. Welcome. Well, it's

0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.040
<v Speaker 1>good to be here. It's an honor to be here

0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:59.560
<v Speaker 1>with the witty bold people. Idiots. You realize that your

0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:04.200
<v Speaker 1>name comes up a lot. Oh listen, yeah, well just

0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in my life though, yeah, yeah, juju, Like I don't

0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.480
<v Speaker 1>even I quit qualifying who Juju is. When I talk

0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to people, just say Juju said, and they're like, oh, yeah,

0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that's Clay's mom. So great to have you. And the

0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.040
<v Speaker 1>reason Juju is here is because Juju is the is

0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:34.079
<v Speaker 1>the queen of holiday, festive, energy and life. Do you agree, Dad? Absolutely?

0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Like when you go to Juju's house day after Thanksgiving,

0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.760
<v Speaker 1>man the Santa Claus has come out of wherever they

0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.000
<v Speaker 1>live the rest of the year, and they're all over

0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:52.560
<v Speaker 1>the house, Angels, Nativity scenes, immaculate Christmas trees. We we

0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.880
<v Speaker 1>opened some gifts the other day at Juju's house with

0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.079
<v Speaker 1>it for our kids, and the wrapping paper on those

0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.920
<v Speaker 1>there was more intent put in that they're wrapping, inspirational

0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.280
<v Speaker 1>like rapping that. I was like, you put more thought

0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:10.760
<v Speaker 1>into this than I did the first year. And that

0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.840
<v Speaker 1>is a true statement because I didn't know what our

0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.160
<v Speaker 1>house is gonna look like until just to be clear,

0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I did, true story. So Juju, Wow, that's that's quite

0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.120
<v Speaker 1>a t And she did bring this festive tray of cookies,

0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:30.120
<v Speaker 1>delicious trees and stars. We could only eat one, but

0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:36.679
<v Speaker 1>they're really good because how many did you have? Did

0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you have the Christmas tree at the star the star

0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:44.720
<v Speaker 1>that means something juju? What is your what? What do

0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.760
<v Speaker 1>you think about? What do you think about the bargarase

0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.880
<v Speaker 1>like our format? Are you cool with the way we're

0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.960
<v Speaker 1>doing this? Oh? I enjoy it. I love listening to

0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the I love listening to the Beargrease. Then I will

0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.559
<v Speaker 1>love podcast, and then I love listening to what y'all

0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:03.520
<v Speaker 1>say about it, the narrative of it. It's interesting and Uh,

0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.880
<v Speaker 1>y'all are so funny. I have to laugh at who's

0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:14.520
<v Speaker 1>your favorite Burger's character. I'm gonna I'm gonna red on that.

0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say. How do you feel like Clay

0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.480
<v Speaker 1>has been? Tell them not to ask me hard questions?

0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.120
<v Speaker 1>And they're asking me hard just one. How do you

0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like Clay has been with all the commenters feel now?

0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I've had a little talk with him about that. I

0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.040
<v Speaker 1>tell him not to be so hard on a few

0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of them, to listen to them because they are really

0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.680
<v Speaker 1>saying what they think. Yeah, they are, they do say

0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.200
<v Speaker 1>what they do say. What do you feel like that?

0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.160
<v Speaker 1>They're always right? But you know you have to be

0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a little gracious with them. I think you could be

0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:51.080
<v Speaker 1>gracious with a lot of people in your life. Um,

0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.360
<v Speaker 1>so do you do you feel like the formats working though?

0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you think there's any kind of marketing Uh, marketing

0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.760
<v Speaker 1>problems with like having this documentary style podcasting and the

0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.040
<v Speaker 1>render people getting confused? Did you have any difficulty with so?

0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Several of my friends listen and they enjoy it. They

0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.400
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the talk among you guys, the kidding and the

0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.280
<v Speaker 1>laughing and uh. But they also enjoy when you all

0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.559
<v Speaker 1>are serious and you talk about the concept or the

0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.520
<v Speaker 1>subject you're talking about. Who do you think who do

0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.880
<v Speaker 1>you think the smartest person on the end? Oh, I'm

0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:34.000
<v Speaker 1>going to say, Mr new I have to live with it.

0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Everybody here is you know, guess what. She's a kindergarten teacher.

0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Of course she's going to say that. Welcome to my life.

0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:49.559
<v Speaker 1>You're all great. You do you notice that she's kind

0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.120
<v Speaker 1>of leading us like we were a kindergarten class. All

0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, I feel really special, and I know

0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone else does too. I feel like times right around

0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the corner, and I remember all the letters of the alphabet.

0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Everybody gets a ribbon. It's all coming back to Okay,

0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.560
<v Speaker 1>all right, here's what we're gonna do. We're now going

0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.160
<v Speaker 1>to have our Okay, it is now time for us

0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to have our Christmas gift exchange. Okay in white elephant fashion. Yeah, so, Josh,

0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.880
<v Speaker 1>why don't you describe? We have a few gifts here

0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.240
<v Speaker 1>for those of you that brought gifts. Whoever gets to

0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.480
<v Speaker 1>go first gets to pick a gift. They're gonna open

0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.160
<v Speaker 1>it and they're going to be excited about what it is.

0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.880
<v Speaker 1>The next person can either steal that gift or they

0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.760
<v Speaker 1>can pick a new one, and so down the line. However,

0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.480
<v Speaker 1>whoever the last person is, they can steal or they

0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.320
<v Speaker 1>can open, but then it goes back to the first person.

0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.640
<v Speaker 1>They can keep what they've got, or they can steal

0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the gifts that are already question Okay, do

0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.240
<v Speaker 1>you need to draw numbers? Who goes first? Juju? How

0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.880
<v Speaker 1>about you? Do you pick a number? Who goes first

0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.200
<v Speaker 1>will close their eyes? Just just just go for how

0:12:55.200 --> 0:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>many gifts have? Number one? She's gonna go first, Okay,

0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Gary's number two, Clay's number three, Daniels four, and I'm

0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna let Josh b last I actually in white elephant

0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.640
<v Speaker 1>let me say five. So should we announce what we've got?

0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:17.720
<v Speaker 1>And here we've got a gift hidden Underneath, we have

0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.800
<v Speaker 1>a gift that's long and skinny, wrapped in a bare hide.

0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.840
<v Speaker 1>We have a very large gift about a sixteen by

0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:32.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty by forty. I'm not really good, I know

0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.320
<v Speaker 1>that's a big range. We have a box about the

0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:41.280
<v Speaker 1>size of a cordial cherries chocolate covered cherries box festival analogy,

0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and then we have about shoe box. I'm just thinking

0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.839
<v Speaker 1>about things that I've bought in Okay, So your first, Missy,

0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.360
<v Speaker 1>what will you choose? Chocolate covered cherries? Okay? Wow? This

0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.120
<v Speaker 1>is Josh says, this is a good one. This is

0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.120
<v Speaker 1>from the land Bridge, this is from this is from

0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.600
<v Speaker 1>so I've got a very great rapping job. I have

0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to tribute that to sp She she loves wrapping gifts

0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and she's very crafty. Keep asking her to come and

0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.120
<v Speaker 1>help me do things. Okay. And inside the box is

0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:19.560
<v Speaker 1>a smaller present wrapped in bubble rap. Okay, Oh whoa

0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:27.440
<v Speaker 1>belt buckle with a like Josh's. Is that a black

0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I made that last night? Is that look at the

0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.160
<v Speaker 1>back of it and that commemorative commemorative and it says

0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.040
<v Speaker 1>bear grease two. So it's a It's a silver belt

0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 1>buckle with beadwork of a bear on it. Very classy.

0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:50.680
<v Speaker 1>That is great. Well, that's not yours can have. It

0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.040
<v Speaker 1>can only be stolen once. Okay, Gary, you're up next.

0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.040
<v Speaker 1>What are you going to choose? Let me look at that.

0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Don't look too close, scary. You are until four o'clock

0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, so much more talented than you look.

0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.720
<v Speaker 1>You know what one, I'm gonna take this guy right here. Okay,

0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Gary's taken. I feel like I need a vaccination to

0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.680
<v Speaker 1>even touch it. Yeah, Garry has has chosen so that

0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you can post it on Instagram. Hold that up, dad.

0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell if it's an old rifle or if

0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like the front quarter of a white tailed deer.

0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Did do I get to keep the bear hide? Um?

0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.720
<v Speaker 1>If you want it? Yes, No, I'm not sure I

0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.400
<v Speaker 1>want it, but I'm and I'm excited about seeing that.

0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Like everybody's sitting here with their mouths up and just

0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give it a muzzleloader. Hopefully it's not my muzzleloader.

0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Would when you hit on it, holy, that is my muzzleloader.

0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:55.400
<v Speaker 1>But my mum, are you sure? How do you know

0:15:55.480 --> 0:16:04.400
<v Speaker 1>that's yours? Most definitely look familiar? Okay, Um, that is

0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Josh's muzzloader chosen to give it away in this gift exchange. Um,

0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess I have the opportunity to steal less about Okay, okay,

0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.800
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a decoy. This is a decoy gift.

0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.280
<v Speaker 1>The funny part of this is that that is Josh's

0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.680
<v Speaker 1>musloder that he lent me that I haven't give it back. Okay,

0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.720
<v Speaker 1>bullet in it. No, I I took the breach out

0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of it, so just for safety, so we didn't shoot anybody.

0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Hold on, we got we gotta work through this because

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.160
<v Speaker 1>this is this is you. We've actually got to work

0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.520
<v Speaker 1>through this because I don't have the right to give

0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.000
<v Speaker 1>away Josh's musloder. That's what was funny. Okay, that was funny.

0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:51.640
<v Speaker 1>This is this is this is this is a first

0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Light dirt bag. Duff read read the tag this so

0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 1>first Light has a serious that this came from Salvage.

0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Salvage it was, it's been it was built ten or

0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.240
<v Speaker 1>twelve years ago, it's been used, it's been to a

0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.679
<v Speaker 1>last twice. It's got COVID inside. Boy. Now, really, this

0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.120
<v Speaker 1>is a this is a nice piece First Light. I mean,

0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.480
<v Speaker 1>this is this is I'm a bag there's certain things

0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:27.359
<v Speaker 1>I like, and I got one of them. Okay, A

0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit like this is the Michael Scott white elephant,

0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.720
<v Speaker 1>where it kind of is like the was not even

0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 1>a white elephant. I mean, I will boys, I look

0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.199
<v Speaker 1>like an old guy, but I'll whip your fan if

0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I take this thing. Believer, believer, I got. There's two

0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:53.920
<v Speaker 1>of us now, okay, Josh, who's next? There is one

0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.760
<v Speaker 1>underneath the Yeah, there's I'm just taking this. I'm taking

0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:05.040
<v Speaker 1>this one. So I've got at this is intricate. If

0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.760
<v Speaker 1>if archaeologists dug this out of the ground one day,

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.359
<v Speaker 1>they would go, why did they spend that much time

0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:15.560
<v Speaker 1>wrapping it? Why would they do that? What couldn't they

0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.840
<v Speaker 1>have used their resources in other ways? They would have

0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:25.360
<v Speaker 1>said that, okay, a target box target gets from target

0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a nice look at this big buck hitch cover that's

0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:44.640
<v Speaker 1>truck and some Christmas socks nice and uh a little

0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.960
<v Speaker 1>um a little like sign that says genius at work.

0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.360
<v Speaker 1>We need two of those, very good. Thank you. This

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 1>So this is terrible on two fronts. Leave my bag, Alonge,

0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:02.480
<v Speaker 1>because number one, my gift is way below the level

0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.760
<v Speaker 1>of all these gifts. Wait, is your my gift is

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:11.200
<v Speaker 1>under unwrapped under the bare hide. Okay. Number two, why

0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:15.639
<v Speaker 1>this is terrible is you're gonna steal. I'm gonna steal

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Misty Dann't wear that, sucker. I will wear it right now. Well, wow,

0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.679
<v Speaker 1>this is getting changing. So I had the option of

0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.399
<v Speaker 1>the gift I brought or Dann change their belt buckle

0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.320
<v Speaker 1>that quick. That's I know. I man. It was like

0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.639
<v Speaker 1>he keeps a sparre in his pocket and he was

0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.879
<v Speaker 1>just waiting to do that. It looks good though. I

0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.320
<v Speaker 1>love this. Thanks, you're welcome. I mean, I'm gonna okay,

0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it's took it from me. Please do not choose myne

0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It's awesome. This is your other. Why is you're taking

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>your own? Okay, under the bear skin cancers mystery flavors.

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Let me just tell you, well, I cain't downplay this,

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.239
<v Speaker 1>but let me just introduce this gift a little bit.

0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 1>These are experimental mountain dew flavors that we acquired, and

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.639
<v Speaker 1>it is my joy to turn them over to you.

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.840
<v Speaker 1>You can either drink them or use them to kill plants.

0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Experimental mountain dew flavors. Does that mean you'll have tasted

0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.239
<v Speaker 1>these and have so these are used these. I think

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:45.160
<v Speaker 1>if you save this like a Star Wars figuring, both

0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:50.679
<v Speaker 1>of these twelve packs have been unspoilt. I've got twenty

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:55.160
<v Speaker 1>four Mystery Flavor Mountain d that's right. Okay, So who

0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:59.639
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a gift, Josh Spellmaker, so I can steal

0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>you can steal or Newcomb or Misty Newcomb's gift here.

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.080
<v Speaker 1>It's it's ladies and gentlemen, I will tell you it's

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.560
<v Speaker 1>it's the size of a large picture frame, has kind

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.119
<v Speaker 1>of a picture frame. He feel about it, very nicely wrapped.

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a black panther. I think, I

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.080
<v Speaker 1>think I'm gonna keep this one because I need I'm

0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:32.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty certain it's artwork and I need smartwork from my shop. Yes,

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you do this. The look Clay Newcomb has given me

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.480
<v Speaker 1>right now is that like, do you know what this is?

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what it is? You're the worst? I can't,

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't say it. I like Gary Newcomb keep his bag.

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Although I'm gonna say I'm gonna take whatever's in this

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and my muzzleloader. Yeah, that's partly the reason I gave

0:21:58.119 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it away, because I was looking for a reason to

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.840
<v Speaker 1>give it back to you. This is what I always

0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 1>dreamed of, a picture of a giant picture of giant

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>portrait of a big Cheshire cat grin. And that is

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a museum quality frame from someone you know, very dear, Yes,

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and I'm serious, that is a probably a three frame

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.639
<v Speaker 1>job on that. It's an excellent frame. In What I

0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.040
<v Speaker 1>like about it, Josh, is that it was given to us.

0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a wonderful picture by a very skilled photographer in

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.479
<v Speaker 1>big at least at least it's bigger than Josh's Torso

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 1>like when I just took a picture of a giant

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 1>picture of my face, and so it was a high

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.639
<v Speaker 1>quality was given to us. All sign it for you

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 1>right now. It just always felt a little big in

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:57.440
<v Speaker 1>our house, almost idolatrous, you know, like the one thing

0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 1>that Okay, for the record, we did not ask for this,

0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 1>nor did the artist of this portrait to sees it

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.119
<v Speaker 1>hanging in my shot nervous. A little bit about that,

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.919
<v Speaker 1>A little bit about that. So the second thing, hey,

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.439
<v Speaker 1>the one thing that we have learned is that wherever

0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.399
<v Speaker 1>you put it in a room, those eyes, buddy, they

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:20.719
<v Speaker 1>follow you, like that like that statue of Jesus that follows.

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>We would take place watching like whenever the kids would

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>get in trouble when they were a little and Clay

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:26.639
<v Speaker 1>would be on the road, I would just point to

0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 1>the wall. Can you turn it away from me? What

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:36.439
<v Speaker 1>you're wearing the Arkansas baron. But know that the reason

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:38.919
<v Speaker 1>that little grin is they're so big is I had

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>just killed a beautiful white tailed buck that had a

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 1>four inch drop time on Christmas Eve. Really yeah, which

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>it is a Christmas photo? That photo of Christmas Eve. Well,

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what that's good for, Like those little

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>little darts as a little so two thoughts. A lot

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of dictators make everybody put their picture on the wall

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and there wherever. That or the fact that that misty

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>you really need to keep that. That's the kind of

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 1>thing if you don't want to put it out like

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>your egotistical you put it in the attic and think

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>what the little grand babies. I mean, they'd go, well,

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>see that's been our attic for about a decade. It

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>needs to be in the act three or four decades old.

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>I killed water Witch in two thousand eleven. Well, that's

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a highlight of my life. Fantastic. I just want to

0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 1>give everybody a clause. Great job on the gifts, really

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>put your heart into it. And Josh, uh, sorry about

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>keeping your mind so long. I've also got all your

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>gear with it. Okay, great, I have to wait another

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>year to get that excellent wrap it up and drop

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 1>it off at your house. Okay. So now we'll get

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>into So this was like a holiday specialty section okay

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>at the Burgray Shrender. Now we're getting into the serious

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>part of the render. What did you guys think of

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the last render crew? You know, it was the guys

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>from on X was Jared Larson, Zack Sandal and then

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Rusty Johnson, Rustin Johnson, Hunter, Rude Justin Michow. I mean,

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>they did pretty good. I have to say that there

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of them, and it always kind of hurts.

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I have to say that also that you know, we're

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 1>such distinctive personalities. It kind of they kind of just

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>all ran together. There's a couple of distinctive personalities in there,

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>but they kind of all ran together. I think that really.

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>So Josh said, none of them has what I'm saying,

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>what the render crew that you have here. If it

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>ain't broke, don't fix it. Okay, that's one view point

0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I will say after the previous time that another crew

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>was brought in, I will admit, but they stepped it

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>up and I went into this one with pretty low expectations.

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I thought they were fantastic. I actually really had a

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>good job. I thought, we're going to listen to this.

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I did listen to Okay. I thought they did good.

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Did you think about Rusty Johnson getting anxiety sickness before

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>he hunts? I thought that was interesting that he would

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>he would gag And do you ever get excited about

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>anything that much? Well, I can't say that. I had,

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Like before you the day before Thanksgiving when Jujuice cooking,

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>she is like pomped. I mean just like I cannot wait.

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Is there is there a time that you are just

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>like absolutely stoked to be doing what you're doing. Oh? Yes, shopping,

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>seeing my grand babies. I get excited about that. Gets

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty pumped up about teaching kids to read too. Well, yeah,

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I do love that about I enjoyed those guys comments though.

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I remember them talking about one guy, one cameraman and

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the tree stam would talk your ear off and the

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>other cameraman wanted to talk but his hunter. I guess

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it was that. Yeah, he wouldn't talk, and he'd sit

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>there for hours not saying anything. It was a hunter.

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Hunter is like he has like long red hair and

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>he's just a funny guy. You're just around him and

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>you're like, he's really funny. And so Rusty is real serious?

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Is it Rusty Son that's a lawyer. Yeah, And so

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Rusty and Hunter went together and it was just real

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>funny because Rusty is this dead serious white to Hunter,

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and Hunters this like he's a good Hunter. I'm not

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>taking anything away from him. But he had I don't

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>know that he had been around somebody like Rusty, and

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>so it was real funny. But they came together in

0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>the end. Jujuka, that's what the Renders all about, unity,

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>unpolarizing the nation. I feel like I need I need

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>to unpolarized. I mean, you've polarized a bunch of our

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>friends now with your statements about their performance on a podcast.

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.479
<v Speaker 1>I will say that will newcom and I don't want

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you all to be mad at her about this. But

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.959
<v Speaker 1>after the first like non what do we call us

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>regular render? Non regular crew? We need an acronym. Yeah

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>in our um she called us and said, hey, that

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>was really great. The ones that you thought weren't great.

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 1>She said, that was really great. Sometimes I feel very

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed by the regular crew, and she said it actually

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>gives me. She described it as I'll just say, anxiety

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>inducing to listen to us. Well, I mean, I could

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>see if she's having trouble sleeping, enjoying listening to the

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>first non regular said that it was great. Then we

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>do this one and she's like, she came home for

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the holidays and she said, Dad, that last Render crew

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you had, She said, it's always my favorite whenever it's

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>a different crew said that. She said that. I mean,

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't what she said to me. I think, you know,

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I just think that the insecurities of this render crewe.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>It is just glowy. Uh. It's like job security. You know,

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you can't brag on the guy next to you. You

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>got a bad mouthing. I thought you thought zero second

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>irregular crew was probably the best. The first irregular crew

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>was probably second best. In this bunch right here, myself included,

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>we're probably third. To be honest, I enjoyed. I enjoyed

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>marking that bunch, maybe because I just had met him.

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say if you had

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>known those guys because they were the nicest guys. Mark

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and Andreas and Tyler and Joe. I mean way, you

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>know us too. Guys are nice too. But truly I

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>like both groups. I think a little variety is pretty cool. Still,

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe we could arrange a fistfights between the two crews

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>between us and Willow. Just sitting in as a guest

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>on the on the Render when you're not used to

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>doing it, I can say that right now. It's it's

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>hard to think of something really cool to say every time.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>And you guys never had any trouble things. You guys

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>have mastered it. You too, You TOOI company. So it's

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>fun listening. Well, there's just a little bit of a

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>little bit of housekeeping to do here. Um, now that

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it is Christmas time. It's now that it is Christmas,

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I would like to make a formal apology to all

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the Render listeners who put up their Christmas lights before Thanksgiving.

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>You want to apologize to them, I do, because now

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's Christmas and we're all pumped for Christmas, I'm like,

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe they were instrumental in helping you get pumped. Maybe

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>they were Maybe maybe they were right The whole time.

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Clay flip flops again, and my friend Ryan Pettigrew called

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>me out on it and he said, Clay, I put

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>up Christmas lights on November the first, and he said,

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>because my wife wants me to do it, and we

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>love Christmas. And he's real big dude, and like I

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want to fight him. We had some petty criminals

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>come through our neighborhood night before last and steal Christmas

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>decorations out of people's front yard. Really, I wish they

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>would still Halloween a creations. They leave those, Okay, So

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>to get after the heart of the podcast here, guys,

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>were three three podcasts into a four part series. The

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>fourth part is gonna be one of my favorites. I'm

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>working on it as we speak. What did y'all think

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>of this third one? So the to clarify sometimes it

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>probably jumbles into one big section. The first podcast, the

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>first in our series, was on George mcjunkin. Okay, And

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and for those maybe who haven't heard it might want

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>to go back. George mcjunkin was the freed slave who

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen o eight found the Falsome site reported it

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the people. It wasn't until after he was dead that

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>they recognized what it was that he had found. And

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>so the whole first podcast we dove into George mcjunkan's

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 1>life and him being a cowboy, and it was all

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>about him and very little about the Fulsome site. But

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that's part of the Falsome story. Part number two was

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>diving into Falsome and I introduced well the authority on

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the folsome site in the nation, Dr David Meltzer from

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>s m U. Incredible guy. And the reason he is

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the authority on Falsome is he literally wrote a textbook

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>on Falsome. It's right up there. So that book, I mean,

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>it is it isn't It is like an academic textbook.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not a book that you would give away and

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, you'll enjoy reading this. I mean it's like, yeah,

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you would. You would given to him and would be like,

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna really struggle with this. Why did you look

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>at me when you said that? I loved it? But

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it wasn't like written like some entertaining,

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>purposefully entertaining nonfiction book. And so we talked about the

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>archaeology and I needed to sort out just a general

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>understanding of archaeology. So we talked about the processes of

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>verification of the site, and we learned about the drama

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>of the Fulsome site, and that there were other sites

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that were probably as legit as Fulsome that had human

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>points with old Ice age mammals, but they didn't count

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>because of the way they were excavated and understood and

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>in and found different way. So that was really interesting.

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>The third well, and then we just established what happened

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to the Fulsome site, which was thirty two bites and

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Antick was killed by human hunters and the only reason

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>we know that we would have thought they got struck

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>by lightning. And I'm gonna come back to that, Josh,

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>had it not been for the twenty ish stone points

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that were found amongst the bones, and that there were

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:44.720
<v Speaker 1>fractures in bones that were clearly impact fractures from stone points.

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>So while these animals were alive, humans were chunking spears

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>allowed darts. We don't know. You will learn whether it

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 1>was spears or allowed of darts in part four. And

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>there is question. Okay, I have figured they were and

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>gen Le, when you talk to people, they almost everyone

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.839
<v Speaker 1>just for sure says, yeah, they were add but when

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>we talked to the expert on Adeladdles, there is question

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>because you cannot necessarily determine an ad ladle point based

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>upon its size as compared to some of the bigger

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>arrow points. And my future guests who you don't know

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>who it is yet he he talks about I mean,

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>he just dives into it big time, probably Addles, but

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not definitive. So we talked about that, and then

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>in part three is when we talked about gourmet butchering,

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and then we talked about the cultural impact of dating

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>human arrival in North America back you know, seven eight

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>thousand years further than we thought. But what y'all think,

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>what y'all think about the gourmet butchering stuff? You know

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that that was very interesting to hear because one of

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>my biggest questions about the whole thing is, you know,

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>if we're talking about a small group of people, you know,

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe fifty people, why did they want to kill thirty

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>two bison? I mean that's just a huge pile of work,

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking about you know, thirty to forty thousand

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>pounds of meat. Why did they need to kill all that? What?

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>What drove them to kill that many. Why didn't they

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 1>kill five? And you know, say, hey, we gotta work

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>cut up, cut out for us? They were Americans, Why

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>killed five if you can kill thirty? But but you

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>know the fact of them thinking, well, I'm just gonna

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>take you know, there was no sense of of ethic

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>hunting ethic back then, So the idea of the gourmet butchering.

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, they might have just seen, hey we'll get

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty two tongues out of this. You know, there was

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.919
<v Speaker 1>no thought process inside of that. So I I felt

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like that kind of helped me understand the thought process

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 1>behind it of of these ancient people's doing. You know,

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the question too would be why wouldn't they kill I mean,

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.399
<v Speaker 1>you're you're your people that are living. It's almost hand

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the mouth. I mean, there is no you're not storing

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>up at five oh one K for ten years down

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the roads. You are literally killing stuff that can not

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>A five o one ks hopefully does a lot of

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the finances. Yeah, I feel is a nonprofit retirement account. Okay, okay,

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 1>so the four oh one K, they don't have four

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 1>oh one case, they have one case. They don't have

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>any case. And the only security for the future that

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>they have is what they've killed today and whatever the

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>preservation techniques would have been, which could have been the

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 1>ice and snow and them storing the meat in the

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>snow through the winter, or they made pemmican. There was

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a whole section about or melts. Are that talking to

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 1>me about pemmican? Which I just we just couldn't then. Well,

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean they would have used the meat to make pemmican.

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they did they make it back then, they

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>believed they did. Where they would have have been a

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.919
<v Speaker 1>mixture of meat and berries and other stuff fried out

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and flattened, and they could have it could have lasted,

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, months. Could they not also smoked the meat?

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm presuming you know, I think they're hunter together like

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>banned societies today that will kill a giraffe and you know,

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you've got fifteen pounds of meat and there's twenty five

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>of them, and they'll smoke the meat to preserve it,

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to preserve it. You know, it's not rock solid preservation,

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's better than just letting it go bad and

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>wasting it. Yeah, for sure. So the question would just

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>be why wouldn't they kill as many as they possibly could?

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Because they would not have. I mean, it wouldn't have

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 1>been even in the thought process for them to think,

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we're gonna let a couple of these

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 1>guys go. We presume there was not that thought process. Well,

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>if they're like, what do Steve Ronnella mentioned that they

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>took the hides, and you know, could it be possible

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>they didn't take all the meat, but they took the

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>what meat they needed. Well, used the hides to build

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>shelters and tps or whatever you in their huts were calmed.

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Was that brought out? Was that well, that's a good

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>That is a great answer to a potential potential answer

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to the question of why they killed that many. If

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>they weren't going to use all the meat, presumably they

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>used all the hides because there were no tailbones, zero tailbones,

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 1>and the tailbones were left in the hides when they

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>carried him off. I think, jujus beat all your experts.

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.319
<v Speaker 1>What do you think? I'm not sure, but I thought

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>about leaving all those folsome points. How hard it was

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to make those folsome points, how long it took to

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>chisel out. But I guess it was deep in the

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>animal and they couldn't pull it back out. But I thought, wow,

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>if they could have taken those twenty points back with them,

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 1>class classic mother like I would have come back from

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>that hunt and you do would have been like Clay, baby,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>where's your Folsom points? And it had been like I

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>broke up? But she would have been like Clay didn't.

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Daddy worked hard for those, whereas was Dr Meltzer able

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to determine the points that we're at the Fulsome Museum

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>where those legit, No, we don't. None of those that

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 1>we saw at the Fulsom Museum were from the Fulsom site.

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 1>None of them. All the points from the Falessome site

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>are in big museums, and there's several that are unaccounted

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>for don't and they might be this one I was

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>looking for that show. You know what, if I had

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 1>thought about it, why ethan gift, I would have got

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a fulsome replica. They are. They're one of the coolest

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>stone points I've ever seen. I want one now, Yeah,

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>I know, they're They're awesome, the way they're so thin

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and delicate and so they're beautiful. Yeah, they're awesome. You know.

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the those things that if you didn't

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 1>know it was beautiful if no one, if you didn't

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>know the backstory, you'd look at the point and you

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>just go, oh, cool stone point. But when you know

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the history, and after episode number four, every household in

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>America is gonna want a fulsome record point foreshadow in

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>this is not foreshadow and this is like a straight

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 1>up shadow. We make a fulesome point on episode like

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>clicking clack make it. I wonder if like the Fulesome

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>people's ran into the Clovis people's and they were like

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>judging their points, like we talk about that too. I'm

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.760
<v Speaker 1>being dead serious because like those clos points, they're okay,

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>But have you seen these fulsome points technology differences? Hey,

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to bring up a couple I had a

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>couple of comments. I had a buddy of mine, Scott Brown,

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a good friend of mine. He wrote me and he

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>sent me a link to an article of something that

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:59.919
<v Speaker 1>happened pretty recently where nineteen cows were killed by lightning.

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 1>There's a big, big pile of cows and all of

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>their tailbones were evaporated, right, and the lightning shaped these

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>stones into the stone points. Well, he wasn't trying to

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>say that that's what happened but he was. He was

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>just bringing up a good point, he said, He said,

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.720
<v Speaker 1>have you ever thought about a lightning strike? Four? Because

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>it is unusual how the bones were piled up, and

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>there's lots of reasons why that didn't happen. Number one,

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the stone points, but they could have been struck by

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>lightning and then fulsome hunters came by and found him

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.320
<v Speaker 1>and butchered him. But that would not explain Dr Meltzer

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>if he's listening to this right now, which I'm hoping

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he's not. Uh, he would like want to like fight

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>me for saying that, because they did find impact fractures

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in a few bones, not many. I mean, it's not

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 1>like every single bison they were able to see where

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>it was. That would be, that would be you would

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>expect not to find a bunt. That's right, That's right.

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to get my mind around and maybe

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>this you talked about this more in the next episode.

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>A spear with a stone head. I mean, I take

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 1>my bow with a seventy pound draw weight and I shoot,

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and if I have a bad shot on a white tail,

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it hits the shoulder, and I mean it might crack

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a bone in there. For sure, but just my hand

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>with a wooden shaft on a spear and a stone,

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I could throw it hard enough

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>to crack a rib. Yeah, that could have got literally

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to jab well. So there's a lot of things going.

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>And what the fundamental thing is physics momentum the calculation

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>of momentum, which is a calculation of the velocity and

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the mass of this thing. And when you start doubling, tripling,

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>quadrupling the mask compared to the modern eras which we're shooting,

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 1>which are in the four fifty s range, you start

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like multiply that times ten in the momentum, which moment

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>them is. People that are familiar with ed Ashby's ideas

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 1>are not his ideas, just kind of he made this

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>famous and archery community. When you when you're talking about

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 1>how much an arrow a projectile point will penetrate into something,

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the correct calculation to use as momentum because momentum measures

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>of vector, which if a vector has a direction. You

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>hear a lot of people talk about kinetic energy. That

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that's what people in the nineties used to talk about.

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>We used to we used to do the kinetic energy.

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 1>We used to mass times of velocity square. Well, the

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>kinetic energy, but basically kinetic energy is not the right one.

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Momentum is And to answer your question, really we're go

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>into great detail. Devin Pettigrew is the probably the nation's

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:53.359
<v Speaker 1>expert on addle addles and he has actually done experiments

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 1>on bison carcasses with addleaddles, and I mean they just

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>like punch right through them. You know, they probably would

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>have found more impact fractures too. Weren't they taken weren't

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>they taking rib racks out of there? You know, because

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna shoot something or shooting that's a good point.

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>It probably hauled off. I'm surprised Juju didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah,

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 1>because if you if if the main target on a

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 1>bison is going to be as ribs, and then you

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 1>were taking rib racks, you're taking away the evidence of

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>probably where it went through. They were covering their tracks.

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>They knew we were gonna be sniffing them out ten

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 1>thou years later. Um, I'd like to read another in

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 1>because my mother's here and uh she is, and she

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 1>has asked me to be nice to people that write in.

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I would like to talk about this guy. Um No,

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it was actually really good. I love the last episodes

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>on Fulsome and George mcjunkin. Here's this question, how did

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>they know? It all happened in one day? Could this

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>not have been a great place to herd and reliably

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 1>make successful and repeatable kills? Given that it was said

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 1>they could go there their whole lives without coming into

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>contact with someone outside of relations, and that they were

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>probably in groups of around fifteen, doesn't it make sense

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that killing thirty two is a little excessive? He says

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>with them, I would think any hudder would want to

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>care for their tools, and killing so many at one

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.439
<v Speaker 1>time would seem This goes right back to what Juju said.

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 1>As a hunter, I would think I would want to

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>take care of my tools, and killing so many at

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>one time would seem to be not only waste of resource,

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 1>but potentially costing their time and hard work and making

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:29.240
<v Speaker 1>these tools. So basically, he says, could that many bison?

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Could it have been spread over multiple years in a

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>unique kill site. Yes, this is a honey hooleive killing

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 1>tree That makes a ton of sense. What do you

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 1>think that I think that the guy and I'll let

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>him take my place on the render? Wow? Yeah, Nick

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Brown that it must be from Canada. He said cheers

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't didn't they say that they could like good bones

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>when they were laid down in sentiment the sections that

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 1>were white or how long they stayed white. It would

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>be interesting to hear Dr Meltzer tell us why that

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that is wrong, because he probably would. But presumably if

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you, I don't think they could whittle

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>it down to if it was even just a couple

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of years, like maybe it was a five year period.

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they would be able to go

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>to that much detail it all. That's a great I mean,

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>because if you've got to if they're they find this

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>little box canyon and the you know, the first time

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>it happens, they get a few of these bison, there

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 1>are no dummies. They're just gonna keep going for days

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 1>and leave this thing behind. And it worked perfect. I mean,

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you get a good spot when you're hunting, you never

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:46.879
<v Speaker 1>forget that spot never, and you're gonna go back. Yeah,

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:52.759
<v Speaker 1>well it I'm not I'm not saying i'd give this.

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I give Nick credit for coming up with a good idea.

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I really believe if Meltzer were here, he would be

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 1>able to say, Well, because, man, I'm telling you, the

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>amount of research that they did on this site and

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the the technology that they that they used to understand

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:14.839
<v Speaker 1>the stratification over those animals and the what was going

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>on with erosion is just mind blowing. And that's part

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of the book that I couldn't even follow. It was

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>just so technical. What do you think did they have, uh,

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 1>any estimation of the number of people involved? Well, we

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. Well, I talked about couldn't be. I mean,

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.359
<v Speaker 1>thirty two could be a very small number if I've got,

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, a million people in my group, even though

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I know there wouldn't be that, right, they said, I

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 1>mean that there was you know, you got a little

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>community of three people or something. I mean, well, okay,

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So they they believe that these people were in much

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 1>smaller groups than that, just by the size of their

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.720
<v Speaker 1>camps in different places. They think they stayed in groups

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>of about twenty five and at different times of the

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>year would come together. So but could it have been

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a hundred people? Sure, yeah, it could have been. And

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 1>they don't know what time of year it was, either

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.479
<v Speaker 1>the fall, okay, so it you know, I'm just thinking

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.320
<v Speaker 1>if it was closer to winter than they could have

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>preserved him in the cold weather a lot better. Uh,

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.799
<v Speaker 1>But they think it was the fall, and they well,

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 1>they know it was the fall based upon the teeth

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 1>of the baby calves. And but so let's just say

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it would have been September. Meltzer said, you know, September October,

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was colder back then. I mean, it was

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:33.840
<v Speaker 1>in the end of the ice age. I'm just thinking,

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking in terms of white tail, you know. But

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>they bison don't just walk around in twos and threes.

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>There it's an entire herd and there's calves, and they

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>basically found a herd slaughter. Okay, here's another, there's another.

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.919
<v Speaker 1>Probably it's probably not gonna be multiple years because they're

0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at their looking at the behavior of the animals

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>as well well, because it's a cow calf herd, a

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>cow cal So if it had been a mix of

0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>bulls and cows and calves, that's a good that's good point.

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I still give Nick credit for having a good idea, Like, Nick,

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>did they have plans to excavate further? You said that

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was a sixty bus sixty square. It appeared to me

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to be very small the area they had actually excavated.

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>But when I brought that up to Dr. Meltzer, he

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:22.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't think that. He just kind of acted like that.

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of silly for me to think that,

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 1>because probably it's a big site that they excavated. I mean, archaeologists,

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, they might look at a place like half

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.879
<v Speaker 1>as big as this room, and they might spend two

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>years inside of it. So the fact that it was

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe seven sixty by sixty, which would be

0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like a ten yard bowshot by a ten yard bowshot.

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:50.879
<v Speaker 1>He he thought that they found everything. He really did. Well.

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>They said they didn't find any evidence of their their

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.400
<v Speaker 1>their living quarters or camping or anything that they got

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>to be something nearby. I've got it, yeah, I mean

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>four five Juju goes back to full sum. I'm seeing

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 1>like Indiana Jones music, Give her a whip, give her

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a we go camping in the woods. I mean, these

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 1>guys are hunter gathers there on the move. There, twenty

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 1>some out of them, and they're carrying everything on their backs.

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, two years after camping in a spot on

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>a piece of land, you'd never know. I camp there

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and I've got a tent in the stove and all

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of drive my truck in there. They're packing even

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.879
<v Speaker 1>lighter than that. Yeah, you know, they're not, it's not there.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.720
<v Speaker 1>The campsites that they find, they're typically looking at fire,

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, charcoal residue, and then just bones and whatnot

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>of what they ate because they were eating meat, and

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>then stone points. I mean, like, that's about it. And

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>then if it's in some kind of if it's in

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>some situation where it can be preserved, whether it's a

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>really arid place that doesn't have a lot of moisture

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>that gets covered up quickly, or if it's in a

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 1>cave or you know. But yeah, I mean, just the

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>idea that we could go back and find where they

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 1>camped is to me kind of wild. I think that

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you could. I was I can't remember who said it,

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>but I was pretty taken back by um the gentleman's

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 1>comment that even though you might not have art like

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 1>cave paintings from this period, that there art most likely

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 1>would have been in songs and stories and so like

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.879
<v Speaker 1>immaterial mark immaterial art. So when culture shows up, which

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>is immediately when you have us as humans arrived, everything

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.959
<v Speaker 1>you talked about with like being uniquely human. It really

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>added a whole another layer on top of the Fulsome site.

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 1>For me is clearly these people, however it went down,

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.279
<v Speaker 1>they're working together, and they're working in mass and you

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>don't have people working together without culture and relationships and stories,

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of blew my mind. It's like, wow,

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that goes all, that goes all the way. But you know,

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.919
<v Speaker 1>there were there were other parts of the world where

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 1>we do have evidence during that time of art and

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:05.280
<v Speaker 1>music and stuff. Just for whatever reason, the Fulsome hunters

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and the way they lived we don't have evidence of it,

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>which I was introduced to a new term by my

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>future guest Devin Pettigrew called preservation bias. Preservation bias, though,

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 1>is this idea that we are only looking at and

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 1>studying stuff that there is physical material evidence left by,

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and so we we find stuff like stone points and think,

0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 1>oh man, this whole culture was based around stone points.

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>But that's just the thing that lasted. So what what's

0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.960
<v Speaker 1>all the other stuff that didn't last? You know, I

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>loved it so much. When Steve talked about he brought

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 1>up the idea of what kind of a day was this?

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's think about this ten thousand years later, we

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 1>are devoting this all this time of us talking about

0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>one single day in the life. Theoretically we're devoting so

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:03.800
<v Speaker 1>much now to this one single day. You would have

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.720
<v Speaker 1>had to have thought that this was a pretty unique

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 1>day for them. But then, like Steve said, if you

0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 1>were just a freezing American household, what are the chances

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna freeze it when something radically unusual is happening.

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, his point was this was probably

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.160
<v Speaker 1>just a day in the park for these guys to go,

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>or maybe a day of the season. You know, we

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 1>talked about that potentially being a honey hole. Maybe that

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.839
<v Speaker 1>was you know, September October there there. What do you think,

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you think this was unusual or this

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 1>was just normal? This is just what falsome hunters did? Well,

0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, no one knows. Uh. I

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>would think it would be fairly normal occasionally, if that

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>makes any sense. I mean, it's like you hunting, Dan,

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean some some days you have or some maybe

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 1>every four or five years you might have ten or

0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 1>fifteen deer come by, or you know, and most most

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 1>years and you're lucky to have one or two. But uh,

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think to survive, they had to have

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:10.920
<v Speaker 1>days like that occasionally. It would be my thinking, but

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that would be an unusual, unusual day. Think about the

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 1>preservation bias of that. Though. The chances of us finding

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:24.719
<v Speaker 1>something really unusual would be wildly statistically improbable, would it not.

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 1>The fact that we found anything is statistically improbable. But

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 1>then whatever, you if you find something, there had to

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 1>be a whole lot of that happening in order for

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you to find it. So yeah, I think it's gonna

0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 1>be somewhat kind of like garious. Juji, if your life

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:44.759
<v Speaker 1>was frozen in time on a Tuesday afternoon, what would

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:51.720
<v Speaker 1>you be doing? Praying you out of prison? Any number

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of things, Planning for Thanksgiving, dinning for Christmas next year,

0:55:56.080 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 1>taking notes, deciding not to take that one you ju

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:05.120
<v Speaker 1>nwcom is a legend where she comes from in the

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>school systems. I think the best way to demonstrate this

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 1>is your trip to this bar. Oh wow, someone there.

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:23.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's too off the well. I mean,

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you've opened up a whole kind of the one time,

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the one time I went into this bar the one time.

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 1>So if we were just randomly find you if you

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 1>would have been thousand years later and clays remains are

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 1>at the line. Bar I bet that happened once in

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 1>his whole life. I have a thought there. I just

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:53.960
<v Speaker 1>looked up Maslow's model before we started this, and they've

0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 1>changed it. This is crazy. But when I was in

0:56:56.960 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 1>college in the seventies, early seventies, late sixties, Maslow's model. Yeah,

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and the very first one was security. I mean,

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't worry about a full wheeler. You're not worrying

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:15.600
<v Speaker 1>about shopping for Christmas. You're worried about where's my next

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:19.479
<v Speaker 1>meal coming from? And so their whole life, I would

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.880
<v Speaker 1>say they had didn't move up to that next section

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:28.400
<v Speaker 1>of insurance or security or whatever it might be. I mean, yeah,

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.680
<v Speaker 1>for a nine oh twelve our system or you know

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever you're gonna make up next. Uh, but uh, totally

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:40.920
<v Speaker 1>different in the way we are. You just think it's

0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:44.080
<v Speaker 1>so unusual that we have so much time to go

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 1>monkey around. I mean, you know, we work forty hour week.

0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what do you do with the rest of

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that time? I mean we're out monkey and stuff up.

0:57:54.480 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 1>And we were human experience compared to the vast majority

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of humans that have lived on planet Earth. I mean,

0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:08.479
<v Speaker 1>you remember those statistics about hundred and seventeen billion Homo

0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:10.840
<v Speaker 1>sapiens that have ever lived seven point eight billion on

0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the planet today. Of humans that have ever lived, there's

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:18.360
<v Speaker 1>no demographic data on them because their lives are lost

0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 1>before history was recorded. I remembered, sir, Hey, I remember

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.160
<v Speaker 1>my dad. I mean, when when I was a kid,

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was like we didn't have time for

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 1>all this recreation. I mean, you know, I mean, it

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like, you know, we're going out and eat two

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 1>or three times a week. You know, we weren't. I mean,

0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was just remember I remember you. So

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>when we when I was a kid, I remember us

0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>going to a piece of property or something, and you

0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>were oftentimes looking for a piece of land or something,

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and we talked about the view. You know, boy, this

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a pretty view on this property, and that

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.680
<v Speaker 1>view gave it value. And I remember you told me,

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:56.840
<v Speaker 1>you said, man, back when we were kids, people didn't

0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 1>think like that. People people bought a piece of property

0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.240
<v Speaker 1>because they could make a living or homestead on it,

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>or like they weren't they weren't thinking about this aesthetic

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 1>things that we now attribute value to. So when you

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>think about those people, what they did. They got up

0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 1>in the morning and they had their coffee and they

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.919
<v Speaker 1>weren't talking about some fishing trip like Josh would be doing.

0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:25.320
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to catch a fish. We got to feed

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the fan. Yeah, yeah, now that's a very that That

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:32.240
<v Speaker 1>point is what most impacts me about understanding who these

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:36.040
<v Speaker 1>people were. It's just they lived radically different lives in us.

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Yet we're just like us. Absolutely, they were just they

0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>were just like us. If you would have took one

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of their babies and put it into Juju Nucam's class

0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 1>at her school, that kid could have grown up and

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:53.200
<v Speaker 1>been the president of the United States. And you know,

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, go ahead, dad, Well you know, I just

0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 1>say that we can adapt to anything. I mean, we

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 1>could actually go back to almost those times and get adapted.

1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Get you know how we've handled COVID when when they

1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>put through me into basic training. Man, I could have

1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.600
<v Speaker 1>spent the rest of my life in basic training. I

1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:18.160
<v Speaker 1>mean I just adjusted to it. So hard times we

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:20.800
<v Speaker 1>adjust to it. You know. We we looked, we set

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:25.000
<v Speaker 1>new goals and objectives and we enjoy accomplishing them. And uh,

1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I think these were happy people and they love life.

1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:32.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you started describing the things, how would

1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you like to live in this extreme cold weather? How

1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:36.840
<v Speaker 1>would you like to wear animal stuff? I was going

1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I like it. I like that. I like this, do

1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you heard me? And then when you got to the park,

1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and afterday, I go, I don't like this. I mean

1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I probably would have enjoyed where the thing is is.

1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't have known any different, That's right, That's right,

1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:52.160
<v Speaker 1>you would. You would not have had anything to compare

1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 1>it to. They thought they were living high on the hog.

1:00:55.920 --> 1:00:58.160
<v Speaker 1>That's right. When I was in college, if I had

1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:00.680
<v Speaker 1>known that these girls were gonna have sell phones and

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.200
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff they have, I would have been unhappy.

1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But I wasn't unnappy because I had no idea I'd

1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:11.680
<v Speaker 1>ever have a cell phone or all the technology. But

1:01:12.000 --> 1:01:14.840
<v Speaker 1>are you going to leave your listeners wondering what Juju

1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:21.480
<v Speaker 1>was doing in a bar? Okay? Yeah? Yeah, so this

1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:25.280
<v Speaker 1>is what happened, is uh And again we're talking about

1:01:25.360 --> 1:01:29.600
<v Speaker 1>how famous and loved Juju is in the community down there.

1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:33.040
<v Speaker 1>And uh so one time me and me and Bear

1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:36.840
<v Speaker 1>were hunting and we lost our mule. Okay, we're out

1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:40.200
<v Speaker 1>in public land and the mule got away from us.

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.560
<v Speaker 1>We were camping, mule got away from us, ran off.

1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:47.280
<v Speaker 1>We come back to camp, mule's gone, and where I

1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:53.640
<v Speaker 1>was hunting, the closest civilization was this establishment that was

1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.920
<v Speaker 1>a bar okay and um so it was. It was

1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:59.400
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday night and we hiked off in the dark.

1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm not gonna go into full detail, you could

1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:03.840
<v Speaker 1>watch me tell this story and its entirety on the

1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Barony Magazine YouTube channel. And so I was afraid that

1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.440
<v Speaker 1>we were camped way in the back country and it

1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:12.040
<v Speaker 1>was dark. We came back to the camp and the

1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:15.080
<v Speaker 1>mules gone. I figured, the mules run back to the truck,

1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna be just freaking havoc out, you know,

1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:20.400
<v Speaker 1>by itself. And I figured somebody was gonna drive by.

1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I see a mule with a broke lead rope, and

1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I was dead or something. And so I

1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:28.080
<v Speaker 1>envisioned like the sheriff's coming and looking for me and whatnot.

1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:30.400
<v Speaker 1>So I said, bear, we gotta get that. We gotta

1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:36.280
<v Speaker 1>go find this mule. Hauled my saddle out all the

1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:38.479
<v Speaker 1>way out, like carrying the saddle on my shoulder along

1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:41.520
<v Speaker 1>with our whole camp and uh, get back down to

1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the truck and the mule's not there. Well, I drive

1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to the closest place, which was this bar, and I

1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:51.320
<v Speaker 1>got and I walked its Saturday night. I pull up

1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:53.240
<v Speaker 1>and Bear was a young kid at the time. This

1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.280
<v Speaker 1>was years ago. Bear was like ten years old, And

1:02:56.440 --> 1:03:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I go, Bear, if I don't come out, you, if

1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not back here in ten minutes, you're getting this

1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:06.400
<v Speaker 1>truck and you drive until you find somebody. What did

1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:08.720
<v Speaker 1>you think that that was actually a joke. I didn't

1:03:08.760 --> 1:03:11.720
<v Speaker 1>say that. What I did tell him was was I

1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:14.400
<v Speaker 1>just said, Bear, you hunker down in this car, this truck,

1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and do not answer. I mean, if somebody walks over

1:03:17.080 --> 1:03:19.840
<v Speaker 1>here to this truck, just high okay. It's a rough place.

1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:24.160
<v Speaker 1>And so I walk into this bar and I'm fully

1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:27.120
<v Speaker 1>decked out and camo and I walked through the door

1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and the place is just bouncing, you know, with country music,

1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and uh there's I don't know, ten or fifteen people there,

1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and there's just a classic bar, you know, and the

1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:39.240
<v Speaker 1>music is so loud you can't hear anything. And I

1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I walk up to the bar and the bartender pretty

1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:45.320
<v Speaker 1>quickly comes over to me and I just go. I

1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:47.880
<v Speaker 1>just remember I said this almost word for words. This

1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:51.000
<v Speaker 1>is like a bad joke. My name's Clay Nukem. And

1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I lost my mule and I'm yelling this, okay because

1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the music so loud. I lost my mule, and I

1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.880
<v Speaker 1>want to leave you my phone number in case somebody

1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:03.880
<v Speaker 1>sees it or you find it and you can call me.

1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:07.600
<v Speaker 1>And he goes, what he can't hear it? So I

1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:10.200
<v Speaker 1>yell at even louder, and by this time everybody in

1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the whole bar is looking at me, and they're all listening.

1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:16.600
<v Speaker 1>And I guess because I'm yelling so loud, they all

1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.240
<v Speaker 1>can hear me. Can the music down? Yeah? I mean

1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I should have said that. I should have said Alexis

1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:25.960
<v Speaker 1>turned the music down. Um. And so I just remember

1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:28.440
<v Speaker 1>yelling at this guy and he's just like looking at me,

1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:32.800
<v Speaker 1>just like and like, I got two people down from me, goes,

1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:35.880
<v Speaker 1>have you ever been in there before that? MW? And

1:04:36.000 --> 1:04:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I go, doll, the mule has never been back there,

1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:42.880
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, you'll never find that, MW. I remember that,

1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and then and then standing up, I just want to

1:04:49.560 --> 1:04:55.280
<v Speaker 1>make it clear, and I'm talking to this bartender, and

1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:58.240
<v Speaker 1>then to my left like seven or eight people down

1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:01.520
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the bar. This guy, this guy

1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:06.120
<v Speaker 1>stands up, and I'm telling you, he was wobbling just

1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and he said, what's your name? And

1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I looked at him and I realized he's talking to me,

1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and I said Clay Knuckle. And he said, is your

1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:24.240
<v Speaker 1>mother Judy Knuckle? And I go and like a thousand

1:05:24.320 --> 1:05:28.080
<v Speaker 1>things are going through my mind, mainly why does this

1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:34.280
<v Speaker 1>man know my mother's name. I didn't know what to say.

1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if we're about to get in a fight.

1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know you i'm your father. So I just

1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:50.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of bow up and I say, yes, she is.

1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:57.440
<v Speaker 1>And he got his his his his countenance turned from

1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like stern and inquisitive. He just kind of like melted

1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:06.720
<v Speaker 1>into a smile and he said, she's my teacher. He

1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:12.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't say he didn't say she was my teacher. He said,

1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:15.240
<v Speaker 1>she is my teacher. This is a grown man, like

1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:20.440
<v Speaker 1>older than me. And he loved Juju so much that

1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:27.880
<v Speaker 1>apparently he is like Juju Nukam was my teacher, And

1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:32.760
<v Speaker 1>did you do a lot of teaching on the bars, Judy?

1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:39.480
<v Speaker 1>And so I came home. I went back and I

1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:42.480
<v Speaker 1>said I walked in and I said, Juju, well, they

1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:45.240
<v Speaker 1>sure know your name down at the bar, and I

1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:49.160
<v Speaker 1>had a few questions for her. Did you find the mule? Yes,

1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the mule came back to our original campsite. No, it

1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:58.080
<v Speaker 1>was a mule. I don't have name. She was wild

1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:00.840
<v Speaker 1>as a wind, which nearly killed me multi time. Good

1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:05.400
<v Speaker 1>reason to get a Yeah. I warned the guy that

1:07:05.520 --> 1:07:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I gave her to or that I traded her too.

1:07:08.520 --> 1:07:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I told him, I said, she'll kick you and she'll

1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:13.320
<v Speaker 1>run off with you. I fear that he didn't tell

1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the God that I have not heard. You cannot find

1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:22.080
<v Speaker 1>that man to save your life. I was honest with him.

1:07:22.920 --> 1:07:28.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, Hey, merry Christmas. Than I enjoyed it. I

1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:33.960
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed cookies and thank you. All right we got before

1:07:34.000 --> 1:07:36.120
<v Speaker 1>we send you off on the render. Today we got

1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a little song for you, Josh Spellmaker. We wish you

1:07:42.120 --> 1:07:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Christmas. We

1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:50.960
<v Speaker 1>wish you a merry Christmas. And happy do We wish

1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Christmas.

1:07:54.960 --> 1:08:00.560
<v Speaker 1>We wish you a merry Christmas. Happy do you? Good time? Widings?

1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:06.080
<v Speaker 1>We bring to you and the kid tidings for Christmas

1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and a happy new Year. We wish you a merry Christmas.

1:08:11.120 --> 1:08:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Wish you a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Christmas.

1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Harry Christmas, our good buddy, Brent Reeves couldn't make it

1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to the Render Christmas party. Very sad, but here's a

1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:35.600
<v Speaker 1>message from Brent. Hey. This is Brent Reeves with a

1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:39.120
<v Speaker 1>bear Grease, Render Hate. I couldn't be at the party today.

1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I know it was a good time because there was

1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:44.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of good folks there. I got everybody the

1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:48.040
<v Speaker 1>presence that they wanted, except for you, Clay. I'm I'm sorry, buddy.

1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:52.320
<v Speaker 1>They just don't make a Steve Vanilla action figure. Best

1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I could come up with was an old naked g

1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I Joe we found in the attic that belonged to

1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:59.640
<v Speaker 1>my son. I made him a suit close out of

1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a out of a squirrel eyed that we were saving

1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the type flies with. That is just going to have

1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to do until we can come up with something different.

1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I do want to thank you guys for allowing me

1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:12.639
<v Speaker 1>to be a part of this and wish every one

1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of you and everyone listening a very very merry Christmas.

1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:21.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you think that was terrible,