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Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: I have a I do have a big I do

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Speaker 1: have a big mustache, it's a fact. And I have

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Speaker 1: a pretty big beard. But Dan's beard has has like mass, course,

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Speaker 1: like it's a mask, like it's dense. It's horse is

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Speaker 1: it not? Yeah, it's It's a good beard. It I've

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Speaker 1: always said that. That's the main reason I like Dan.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have I had no Did you know Dan

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Speaker 1: looks good in a beard. I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Josh. I'm not gonna tell all your people

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Speaker 1: what I think about your beard. But Gary, the world

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Speaker 1: saw that picture of me and Clay at the cost

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Speaker 1: Tot River and Clay and Nucombe without a beard is

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Speaker 1: a handsome man. Clay Nuncombe with a beard is a

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Speaker 1: handsome man. Josh Spillmaker without a beard is a It

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Speaker 1: hurts the eyes to look at how you were a

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Speaker 1: handsome man. You saw it? Did you see what I

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Speaker 1: beard was probably because you told me it held too

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Speaker 1: much scent and I would never kill a deer. While

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, Dad, listen. Gary Nucombe was a banker.

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Speaker 1: He had to look professional when he went into the

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Speaker 1: go to so his the way he lived in sense

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Speaker 1: free in a in a positive way. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: had a beard, Clay. When I met you, your hair

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Speaker 1: was like wild and you had a beard. How did

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Speaker 1: that upstanding career imprint on you? Why don't you do?

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Speaker 1: You want to give your it is he just wanted

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Speaker 1: to go opposite of anything. And I mean, and that's

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Speaker 1: and you know one other thing. Look where you ended up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're one probably inch from Folsom not in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: but prison all he's lacking as a neck tattoo. It's

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Speaker 1: just a little deeper than the color shows. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the bear, Gary, surrender man. Yeah, this is this has

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Speaker 1: started off great. Hey, this is we have a we

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Speaker 1: have a secret guest. We will reveal this guest later,

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Speaker 1: but this guest has committed not to make a peep.

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Speaker 1: The energy, the energy of the bear Grease render Christmas

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Speaker 1: party which you are all a part of. Congratulations, this

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Speaker 1: is a Christmas party. And why don't you describe the

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Speaker 1: core that you see around? Well, it's lovely, it's seasonal.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of antlers and old books. It actually

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Speaker 1: looks like it always does, except for the Christmas cookies.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say. There is, and

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Speaker 1: I've already had at least one, but I've been told

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Speaker 1: I can't eat anymore because it makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: noise through the mic. It's a little testy about for

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Speaker 1: a Christmas party. There's I will say, there's tension in

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Speaker 1: the room at Christmas. I'm not feeling of expectations. I

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Speaker 1: about why you can and can't be, you will have

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Speaker 1: fun on my terms. Uh, that is exactly right, That's

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Speaker 1: exactly right. Hey, We're we are going no foreshadowing here, folks.

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Speaker 1: We're we're going to have an actual Christmas party. We

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Speaker 1: have gifts, We're gonna have it. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: gift exchange. There's gonna be singing, there's going to be refreshments.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be incredible. There's the saddest part of

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Speaker 1: this is that Brent Reeves couldn't be here, So Bret,

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Speaker 1: we have an empty chair for We'll have a special

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Speaker 1: holiday greeting for us. Although will be on this episode

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Speaker 1: of Wonderful, So I will introduce my guests though. To

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Speaker 1: my left, Dr Dan Route, Hey, great to see you, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Great to be here. Yes, to your left, my lovely wife,

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Speaker 1: Missy Nukelem always good to be here. Yes, great to

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Speaker 1: see you. Good to see you. Marry Christmas, Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: To to your left, Josh the Lambridge spilmmaker, Which I'm

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Speaker 1: thrilled that the land Bridge came up once again and

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Speaker 1: Gary thinks we should be in prison, they walked their

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Speaker 1: quote unquote, I like that it's tagline. They walked there.

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Speaker 1: I mean he said it like a real matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: say they walked here. I like it, Like and the

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Speaker 1: and the Vikings made it to Heathenar, Oklahoma. We know

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Speaker 1: that for sure. The ruinstone look it up. Okay. To

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Speaker 1: But her left is Gary new come back from wherever

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Speaker 1: he's been, back from the grave. Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Where have you been? Gary? Well, I can't tell you.

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Speaker 1: It's secret, secret secret. I'll tell you what. I will

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Speaker 1: give you a little hint though. I've been doing some

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Speaker 1: research thinking about writing a book on the Black Panther. Y. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I think I can go ahead and foreshadow this meat eater.

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Speaker 1: We are coming out with a hat that is going

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Speaker 1: to be the design of the Bargaras hat. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: have those same colors. It's gonna be a patch hat

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Speaker 1: a black panther and it says believe Yes. That will

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Speaker 1: be for sale on the meat Eator dot com. Very,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say soon and soon when we're talking

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Speaker 1: soon might be like when this thing comes out with me. Well,

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Speaker 1: everything except for when we're talking to geologic time. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: when I say soon, there are many qualifications to that

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Speaker 1: So there's a believer hat. So well, it's good to

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Speaker 1: see you, so to Gary Newcoms. Right is our special guest,

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Speaker 1: my dear mother in her dream sweater. Welcome. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: good to be here. It's an honor to be here

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Speaker 1: with the witty bold people. Idiots. You realize that your

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Speaker 1: in my life though, yeah, yeah, juju, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: the queen of holiday, festive, energy and life. Do you agree, Dad? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Like when you go to Juju's house day after Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: the house, Angels, Nativity scenes, immaculate Christmas trees. We we

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Speaker 1: a t And she did bring this festive tray of cookies,

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Speaker 1: that means something juju? What is your what? What do

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Speaker 1: to have our Christmas gift exchange. Okay in white elephant fashion. Yeah, so, Josh,

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Speaker 1: you all to be mad at her about this. But

422
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: after the first like non what do we call us

423
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: regular render? Non regular crew? We need an acronym. Yeah

424
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: in our um she called us and said, hey, that

425
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: was really great. The ones that you thought weren't great.

426
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: She said, that was really great. Sometimes I feel very

427
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by the regular crew, and she said it actually

428
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: gives me. She described it as I'll just say, anxiety

429
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: inducing to listen to us. Well, I mean, I could

430
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: see if she's having trouble sleeping, enjoying listening to the

431
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: first non regular said that it was great. Then we

432
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: do this one and she's like, she came home for

433
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: the holidays and she said, Dad, that last Render crew

434
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: you had, She said, it's always my favorite whenever it's

435
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: a different crew said that. She said that. I mean,

436
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: you don't what she said to me. I think, you know,

437
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I just think that the insecurities of this render crewe.

438
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: It is just glowy. Uh. It's like job security. You know,

439
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: you can't brag on the guy next to you. You

440
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: got a bad mouthing. I thought you thought zero second

441
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: irregular crew was probably the best. The first irregular crew

442
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: was probably second best. In this bunch right here, myself included,

443
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: we're probably third. To be honest, I enjoyed. I enjoyed

444
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: marking that bunch, maybe because I just had met him.

445
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say if you had

446
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: known those guys because they were the nicest guys. Mark

447
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: and Andreas and Tyler and Joe. I mean way, you

448
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: know us too. Guys are nice too. But truly I

449
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: like both groups. I think a little variety is pretty cool. Still,

450
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: maybe we could arrange a fistfights between the two crews

451
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: between us and Willow. Just sitting in as a guest

452
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: on the on the Render when you're not used to

453
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: doing it, I can say that right now. It's it's

454
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: hard to think of something really cool to say every time.

455
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: And you guys never had any trouble things. You guys

456
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: have mastered it. You too, You TOOI company. So it's

457
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: fun listening. Well, there's just a little bit of a

458
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: little bit of housekeeping to do here. Um, now that

459
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: it is Christmas time. It's now that it is Christmas,

460
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: I would like to make a formal apology to all

461
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: the Render listeners who put up their Christmas lights before Thanksgiving.

462
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: You want to apologize to them, I do, because now

463
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: that it's Christmas and we're all pumped for Christmas, I'm like,

464
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: maybe they were instrumental in helping you get pumped. Maybe

465
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: they were Maybe maybe they were right The whole time.

466
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: Clay flip flops again, and my friend Ryan Pettigrew called

467
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: me out on it and he said, Clay, I put

468
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: up Christmas lights on November the first, and he said,

469
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: because my wife wants me to do it, and we

470
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: love Christmas. And he's real big dude, and like I

471
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to fight him. We had some petty criminals

472
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: come through our neighborhood night before last and steal Christmas

473
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: decorations out of people's front yard. Really, I wish they

474
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: would still Halloween a creations. They leave those, Okay, So

475
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: to get after the heart of the podcast here, guys,

476
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: were three three podcasts into a four part series. The

477
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: fourth part is gonna be one of my favorites. I'm

478
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: working on it as we speak. What did y'all think

479
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: of this third one? So the to clarify sometimes it

480
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: probably jumbles into one big section. The first podcast, the

481
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: first in our series, was on George mcjunkin. Okay, And

482
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: and for those maybe who haven't heard it might want

483
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: to go back. George mcjunkin was the freed slave who

484
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen o eight found the Falsome site reported it

485
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: the people. It wasn't until after he was dead that

486
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: they recognized what it was that he had found. And

487
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: so the whole first podcast we dove into George mcjunkan's

488
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: life and him being a cowboy, and it was all

489
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: about him and very little about the Fulsome site. But

490
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: that's part of the Falsome story. Part number two was

491
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: diving into Falsome and I introduced well the authority on

492
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: the folsome site in the nation, Dr David Meltzer from

493
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: s m U. Incredible guy. And the reason he is

494
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the authority on Falsome is he literally wrote a textbook

495
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: on Falsome. It's right up there. So that book, I mean,

496
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: it is it isn't It is like an academic textbook.

497
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: It's not a book that you would give away and

498
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you'll enjoy reading this. I mean it's like, yeah,

499
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: you would. You would given to him and would be like,

500
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna really struggle with this. Why did you look

501
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: at me when you said that? I loved it? But

502
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it wasn't like written like some entertaining,

503
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: purposefully entertaining nonfiction book. And so we talked about the

504
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: archaeology and I needed to sort out just a general

505
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: understanding of archaeology. So we talked about the processes of

506
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: verification of the site, and we learned about the drama

507
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: of the Fulsome site, and that there were other sites

508
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: that were probably as legit as Fulsome that had human

509
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: points with old Ice age mammals, but they didn't count

510
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: because of the way they were excavated and understood and

511
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: in and found different way. So that was really interesting.

512
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: The third well, and then we just established what happened

513
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: to the Fulsome site, which was thirty two bites and

514
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Antick was killed by human hunters and the only reason

515
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: we know that we would have thought they got struck

516
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: by lightning. And I'm gonna come back to that, Josh,

517
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: had it not been for the twenty ish stone points

518
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: that were found amongst the bones, and that there were

519
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: fractures in bones that were clearly impact fractures from stone points.

520
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: So while these animals were alive, humans were chunking spears

521
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: allowed darts. We don't know. You will learn whether it

522
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: was spears or allowed of darts in part four. And

523
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: there is question. Okay, I have figured they were and

524
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: gen Le, when you talk to people, they almost everyone

525
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: just for sure says, yeah, they were add but when

526
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: we talked to the expert on Adeladdles, there is question

527
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: because you cannot necessarily determine an ad ladle point based

528
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: upon its size as compared to some of the bigger

529
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: arrow points. And my future guests who you don't know

530
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: who it is yet he he talks about I mean,

531
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: he just dives into it big time, probably Addles, but

532
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: it's not definitive. So we talked about that, and then

533
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: in part three is when we talked about gourmet butchering,

534
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: and then we talked about the cultural impact of dating

535
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: human arrival in North America back you know, seven eight

536
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: thousand years further than we thought. But what y'all think,

537
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: what y'all think about the gourmet butchering stuff? You know

538
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: that that was very interesting to hear because one of

539
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: my biggest questions about the whole thing is, you know,

540
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: if we're talking about a small group of people, you know,

541
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: maybe fifty people, why did they want to kill thirty

542
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: two bison? I mean that's just a huge pile of work,

543
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about you know, thirty to forty thousand

544
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: pounds of meat. Why did they need to kill all that? What?

545
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: What drove them to kill that many. Why didn't they

546
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: kill five? And you know, say, hey, we gotta work

547
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: cut up, cut out for us? They were Americans, Why

548
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: killed five if you can kill thirty? But but you

549
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: know the fact of them thinking, well, I'm just gonna

550
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: take you know, there was no sense of of ethic

551
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: hunting ethic back then, So the idea of the gourmet butchering.

552
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: You know, they might have just seen, hey we'll get

553
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: thirty two tongues out of this. You know, there was

554
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: no thought process inside of that. So I I felt

555
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: like that kind of helped me understand the thought process

556
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: behind it of of these ancient people's doing. You know,

557
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: the question too would be why wouldn't they kill I mean,

558
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: you're you're your people that are living. It's almost hand

559
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the mouth. I mean, there is no you're not storing

560
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: up at five oh one K for ten years down

561
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: the roads. You are literally killing stuff that can not

562
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: A five o one ks hopefully does a lot of

563
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: the finances. Yeah, I feel is a nonprofit retirement account. Okay, okay,

564
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: so the four oh one K, they don't have four

565
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: oh one case, they have one case. They don't have

566
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: any case. And the only security for the future that

567
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: they have is what they've killed today and whatever the

568
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: preservation techniques would have been, which could have been the

569
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: ice and snow and them storing the meat in the

570
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: snow through the winter, or they made pemmican. There was

571
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: a whole section about or melts. Are that talking to

572
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: me about pemmican? Which I just we just couldn't then. Well,

573
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean they would have used the meat to make pemmican.

574
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they did they make it back then, they

575
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: believed they did. Where they would have have been a

576
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: mixture of meat and berries and other stuff fried out

577
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: and flattened, and they could have it could have lasted,

578
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, months. Could they not also smoked the meat?

579
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm presuming you know, I think they're hunter together like

580
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: banned societies today that will kill a giraffe and you know,

581
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: you've got fifteen pounds of meat and there's twenty five

582
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: of them, and they'll smoke the meat to preserve it,

583
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: to preserve it. You know, it's not rock solid preservation,

584
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: but it's better than just letting it go bad and

585
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: wasting it. Yeah, for sure. So the question would just

586
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: be why wouldn't they kill as many as they possibly could?

587
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: Because they would not have. I mean, it wouldn't have

588
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: been even in the thought process for them to think,

589
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna let a couple of these

590
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: guys go. We presume there was not that thought process. Well,

591
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: if they're like, what do Steve Ronnella mentioned that they

592
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: took the hides, and you know, could it be possible

593
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: they didn't take all the meat, but they took the

594
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: what meat they needed. Well, used the hides to build

595
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: shelters and tps or whatever you in their huts were calmed.

596
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Was that brought out? Was that well, that's a good

597
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: That is a great answer to a potential potential answer

598
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: to the question of why they killed that many. If

599
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: they weren't going to use all the meat, presumably they

600
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: used all the hides because there were no tailbones, zero tailbones,

601
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: and the tailbones were left in the hides when they

602
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: carried him off. I think, jujus beat all your experts.

603
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: What do you think? I'm not sure, but I thought

604
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: about leaving all those folsome points. How hard it was

605
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: to make those folsome points, how long it took to

606
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: chisel out. But I guess it was deep in the

607
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: animal and they couldn't pull it back out. But I thought, wow,

608
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: if they could have taken those twenty points back with them,

609
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: class classic mother like I would have come back from

610
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: that hunt and you do would have been like Clay, baby,

611
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: where's your Folsom points? And it had been like I

612
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: broke up? But she would have been like Clay didn't.

613
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Daddy worked hard for those, whereas was Dr Meltzer able

614
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: to determine the points that we're at the Fulsome Museum

615
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: where those legit, No, we don't. None of those that

616
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: we saw at the Fulsom Museum were from the Fulsom site.

617
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: None of them. All the points from the Falessome site

618
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: are in big museums, and there's several that are unaccounted

619
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: for don't and they might be this one I was

620
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: looking for that show. You know what, if I had

621
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: thought about it, why ethan gift, I would have got

622
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: a fulsome replica. They are. They're one of the coolest

623
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: stone points I've ever seen. I want one now, Yeah,

624
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I know, they're They're awesome, the way they're so thin

625
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: and delicate and so they're beautiful. Yeah, they're awesome. You know.

626
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: It's one of the those things that if you didn't

627
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: know it was beautiful if no one, if you didn't

628
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: know the backstory, you'd look at the point and you

629
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: just go, oh, cool stone point. But when you know

630
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: the history, and after episode number four, every household in

631
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: America is gonna want a fulsome record point foreshadow in

632
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: this is not foreshadow and this is like a straight

633
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: up shadow. We make a fulesome point on episode like

634
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: clicking clack make it. I wonder if like the Fulesome

635
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: people's ran into the Clovis people's and they were like

636
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: judging their points, like we talk about that too. I'm

637
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: being dead serious because like those clos points, they're okay,

638
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: But have you seen these fulsome points technology differences? Hey,

639
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: I want to bring up a couple I had a

640
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: couple of comments. I had a buddy of mine, Scott Brown,

641
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. He wrote me and he

642
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: sent me a link to an article of something that

643
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: happened pretty recently where nineteen cows were killed by lightning.

644
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: There's a big, big pile of cows and all of

645
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: their tailbones were evaporated, right, and the lightning shaped these

646
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: stones into the stone points. Well, he wasn't trying to

647
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: say that that's what happened but he was. He was

648
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: just bringing up a good point, he said, He said,

649
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about a lightning strike? Four? Because

650
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: it is unusual how the bones were piled up, and

651
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: there's lots of reasons why that didn't happen. Number one,

652
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: the stone points, but they could have been struck by

653
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: lightning and then fulsome hunters came by and found him

654
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: and butchered him. But that would not explain Dr Meltzer

655
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: if he's listening to this right now, which I'm hoping

656
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: he's not. Uh, he would like want to like fight

657
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: me for saying that, because they did find impact fractures

658
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: in a few bones, not many. I mean, it's not

659
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: like every single bison they were able to see where

660
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: it was. That would be, that would be you would

661
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: expect not to find a bunt. That's right, That's right.

662
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my mind around and maybe

663
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: this you talked about this more in the next episode.

664
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: A spear with a stone head. I mean, I take

665
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: my bow with a seventy pound draw weight and I shoot,

666
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: and if I have a bad shot on a white tail,

667
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: it hits the shoulder, and I mean it might crack

668
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: a bone in there. For sure, but just my hand

669
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: with a wooden shaft on a spear and a stone,

670
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could throw it hard enough

671
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: to crack a rib. Yeah, that could have got literally

672
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: to jab well. So there's a lot of things going.

673
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: And what the fundamental thing is physics momentum the calculation

674
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: of momentum, which is a calculation of the velocity and

675
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: the mass of this thing. And when you start doubling, tripling,

676
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: quadrupling the mask compared to the modern eras which we're shooting,

677
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: which are in the four fifty s range, you start

678
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: like multiply that times ten in the momentum, which moment

679
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: them is. People that are familiar with ed Ashby's ideas

680
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: are not his ideas, just kind of he made this

681
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: famous and archery community. When you when you're talking about

682
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: how much an arrow a projectile point will penetrate into something,

683
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: the correct calculation to use as momentum because momentum measures

684
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: of vector, which if a vector has a direction. You

685
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: hear a lot of people talk about kinetic energy. That

686
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: that's what people in the nineties used to talk about.

687
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: We used to we used to do the kinetic energy.

688
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: We used to mass times of velocity square. Well, the

689
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: kinetic energy, but basically kinetic energy is not the right one.

690
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: Momentum is And to answer your question, really we're go

691
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: into great detail. Devin Pettigrew is the probably the nation's

692
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: expert on addle addles and he has actually done experiments

693
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: on bison carcasses with addleaddles, and I mean they just

694
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: like punch right through them. You know, they probably would

695
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: have found more impact fractures too. Weren't they taken weren't

696
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: they taking rib racks out of there? You know, because

697
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: if you're gonna shoot something or shooting that's a good point.

698
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: It probably hauled off. I'm surprised Juju didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah,

699
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: because if you if if the main target on a

700
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: bison is going to be as ribs, and then you

701
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: were taking rib racks, you're taking away the evidence of

702
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: probably where it went through. They were covering their tracks.

703
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: They knew we were gonna be sniffing them out ten

704
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: thou years later. Um, I'd like to read another in

705
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: because my mother's here and uh she is, and she

706
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: has asked me to be nice to people that write in.

707
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: I would like to talk about this guy. Um No,

708
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: it was actually really good. I love the last episodes

709
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: on Fulsome and George mcjunkin. Here's this question, how did

710
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: they know? It all happened in one day? Could this

711
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: not have been a great place to herd and reliably

712
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: make successful and repeatable kills? Given that it was said

713
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: they could go there their whole lives without coming into

714
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: contact with someone outside of relations, and that they were

715
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: probably in groups of around fifteen, doesn't it make sense

716
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: that killing thirty two is a little excessive? He says

717
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: with them, I would think any hudder would want to

718
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: care for their tools, and killing so many at one

719
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: time would seem This goes right back to what Juju said.

720
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: As a hunter, I would think I would want to

721
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: take care of my tools, and killing so many at

722
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: one time would seem to be not only waste of resource,

723
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: but potentially costing their time and hard work and making

724
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: these tools. So basically, he says, could that many bison?

725
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: Could it have been spread over multiple years in a

726
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: unique kill site. Yes, this is a honey hooleive killing

727
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: tree That makes a ton of sense. What do you

728
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: think that I think that the guy and I'll let

729
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: him take my place on the render? Wow? Yeah, Nick

730
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Brown that it must be from Canada. He said cheers

731
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: didn't didn't they say that they could like good bones

732
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: when they were laid down in sentiment the sections that

733
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: were white or how long they stayed white. It would

734
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: be interesting to hear Dr Meltzer tell us why that

735
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: that is wrong, because he probably would. But presumably if

736
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you, I don't think they could whittle

737
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: it down to if it was even just a couple

738
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: of years, like maybe it was a five year period.

739
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that they would be able to go

740
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: to that much detail it all. That's a great I mean,

741
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: because if you've got to if they're they find this

742
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: little box canyon and the you know, the first time

743
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: it happens, they get a few of these bison, there

744
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: are no dummies. They're just gonna keep going for days

745
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: and leave this thing behind. And it worked perfect. I mean,

746
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: you get a good spot when you're hunting, you never

747
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: forget that spot never, and you're gonna go back. Yeah,

748
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: well it I'm not I'm not saying i'd give this.

749
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: I give Nick credit for coming up with a good idea.

750
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: I really believe if Meltzer were here, he would be

751
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: able to say, Well, because, man, I'm telling you, the

752
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: amount of research that they did on this site and

753
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: the the technology that they that they used to understand

754
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: the stratification over those animals and the what was going

755
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: on with erosion is just mind blowing. And that's part

756
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: of the book that I couldn't even follow. It was

757
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: just so technical. What do you think did they have, uh,

758
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: any estimation of the number of people involved? Well, we

759
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: have no idea. Well, I talked about couldn't be. I mean,

760
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: thirty two could be a very small number if I've got,

761
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, a million people in my group, even though

762
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: I know there wouldn't be that, right, they said, I

763
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: mean that there was you know, you got a little

764
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: community of three people or something. I mean, well, okay,

765
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: So they they believe that these people were in much

766
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: smaller groups than that, just by the size of their

767
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: camps in different places. They think they stayed in groups

768
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: of about twenty five and at different times of the

769
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: year would come together. So but could it have been

770
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: a hundred people? Sure, yeah, it could have been. And

771
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: they don't know what time of year it was, either

772
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: the fall, okay, so it you know, I'm just thinking

773
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: if it was closer to winter than they could have

774
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: preserved him in the cold weather a lot better. Uh,

775
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: But they think it was the fall, and they well,

776
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: they know it was the fall based upon the teeth

777
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: of the baby calves. And but so let's just say

778
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: it would have been September. Meltzer said, you know, September October,

779
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: and it was colder back then. I mean, it was

780
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: in the end of the ice age. I'm just thinking,

781
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking in terms of white tail, you know. But

782
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: they bison don't just walk around in twos and threes.

783
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: There it's an entire herd and there's calves, and they

784
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: basically found a herd slaughter. Okay, here's another, there's another.

785
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: Probably it's probably not gonna be multiple years because they're

786
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: looking at their looking at the behavior of the animals

787
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: as well well, because it's a cow calf herd, a

788
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: cow cal So if it had been a mix of

789
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: bulls and cows and calves, that's a good that's good point.

790
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I still give Nick credit for having a good idea, Like, Nick,

791
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: did they have plans to excavate further? You said that

792
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: was a sixty bus sixty square. It appeared to me

793
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: to be very small the area they had actually excavated.

794
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: But when I brought that up to Dr. Meltzer, he

795
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: didn't think that. He just kind of acted like that.

796
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of silly for me to think that,

797
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: because probably it's a big site that they excavated. I mean, archaeologists,

798
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, they might look at a place like half

799
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: as big as this room, and they might spend two

800
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: years inside of it. So the fact that it was

801
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe seven sixty by sixty, which would be

802
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: like a ten yard bowshot by a ten yard bowshot.

803
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: He he thought that they found everything. He really did. Well.

804
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: They said they didn't find any evidence of their their

805
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: their living quarters or camping or anything that they got

806
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: to be something nearby. I've got it, yeah, I mean

807
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: four five Juju goes back to full sum. I'm seeing

808
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: like Indiana Jones music, Give her a whip, give her

809
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: a we go camping in the woods. I mean, these

810
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: guys are hunter gathers there on the move. There, twenty

811
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: some out of them, and they're carrying everything on their backs.

812
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, two years after camping in a spot on

813
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: a piece of land, you'd never know. I camp there

814
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: and I've got a tent in the stove and all

815
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of drive my truck in there. They're packing even

816
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: lighter than that. Yeah, you know, they're not, it's not there.

817
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: The campsites that they find, they're typically looking at fire,

818
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, charcoal residue, and then just bones and whatnot

819
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: of what they ate because they were eating meat, and

820
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: then stone points. I mean, like, that's about it. And

821
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: then if it's in some kind of if it's in

822
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: some situation where it can be preserved, whether it's a

823
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: really arid place that doesn't have a lot of moisture

824
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: that gets covered up quickly, or if it's in a

825
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: cave or you know. But yeah, I mean, just the

826
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: idea that we could go back and find where they

827
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: camped is to me kind of wild. I think that

828
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: you could. I was I can't remember who said it,

829
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: but I was pretty taken back by um the gentleman's

830
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: comment that even though you might not have art like

831
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: cave paintings from this period, that there art most likely

832
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: would have been in songs and stories and so like

833
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: immaterial mark immaterial art. So when culture shows up, which

834
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: is immediately when you have us as humans arrived, everything

835
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: you talked about with like being uniquely human. It really

836
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: added a whole another layer on top of the Fulsome site.

837
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: For me is clearly these people, however it went down,

838
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: they're working together, and they're working in mass and you

839
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: don't have people working together without culture and relationships and stories,

840
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: and that kind of blew my mind. It's like, wow,

841
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: that goes all, that goes all the way. But you know,

842
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: there were there were other parts of the world where

843
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: we do have evidence during that time of art and

844
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: music and stuff. Just for whatever reason, the Fulsome hunters

845
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: and the way they lived we don't have evidence of it,

846
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: which I was introduced to a new term by my

847
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: future guest Devin Pettigrew called preservation bias. Preservation bias, though,

848
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: is this idea that we are only looking at and

849
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: studying stuff that there is physical material evidence left by,

850
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: and so we we find stuff like stone points and think,

851
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: oh man, this whole culture was based around stone points.

852
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: But that's just the thing that lasted. So what what's

853
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: all the other stuff that didn't last? You know, I

854
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: loved it so much. When Steve talked about he brought

855
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: up the idea of what kind of a day was this?

856
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: And it's think about this ten thousand years later, we

857
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: are devoting this all this time of us talking about

858
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: one single day in the life. Theoretically we're devoting so

859
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: much now to this one single day. You would have

860
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: had to have thought that this was a pretty unique

861
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: day for them. But then, like Steve said, if you

862
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: were just a freezing American household, what are the chances

863
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: that you're gonna freeze it when something radically unusual is happening.

864
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: And so, you know, his point was this was probably

865
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: just a day in the park for these guys to go,

866
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: or maybe a day of the season. You know, we

867
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: talked about that potentially being a honey hole. Maybe that

868
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: was you know, September October there there. What do you think,

869
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think this was unusual or this

870
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: was just normal? This is just what falsome hunters did? Well,

871
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, no one knows. Uh. I

872
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: would think it would be fairly normal occasionally, if that

873
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: makes any sense. I mean, it's like you hunting, Dan,

874
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: I mean some some days you have or some maybe

875
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: every four or five years you might have ten or

876
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: fifteen deer come by, or you know, and most most

877
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: years and you're lucky to have one or two. But uh,

878
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think to survive, they had to have

879
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: days like that occasionally. It would be my thinking, but

880
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: that would be an unusual, unusual day. Think about the

881
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: preservation bias of that. Though. The chances of us finding

882
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: something really unusual would be wildly statistically improbable, would it not.

883
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: The fact that we found anything is statistically improbable. But

884
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: then whatever, you if you find something, there had to

885
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: be a whole lot of that happening in order for

886
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: you to find it. So yeah, I think it's gonna

887
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: be somewhat kind of like garious. Juji, if your life

888
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: was frozen in time on a Tuesday afternoon, what would

889
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: you be doing? Praying you out of prison? Any number

890
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: of things, Planning for Thanksgiving, dinning for Christmas next year,

891
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: taking notes, deciding not to take that one you ju

892
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: nwcom is a legend where she comes from in the

893
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: school systems. I think the best way to demonstrate this

894
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: is your trip to this bar. Oh wow, someone there.

895
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's too off the well. I mean,

896
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: you've opened up a whole kind of the one time,

897
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: the one time I went into this bar the one time.

898
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: So if we were just randomly find you if you

899
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: would have been thousand years later and clays remains are

900
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: at the line. Bar I bet that happened once in

901
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: his whole life. I have a thought there. I just

902
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: looked up Maslow's model before we started this, and they've

903
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: changed it. This is crazy. But when I was in

904
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: college in the seventies, early seventies, late sixties, Maslow's model. Yeah,

905
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean, and the very first one was security. I mean,

906
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: you don't worry about a full wheeler. You're not worrying

907
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: about shopping for Christmas. You're worried about where's my next

908
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: meal coming from? And so their whole life, I would

909
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: say they had didn't move up to that next section

910
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: of insurance or security or whatever it might be. I mean, yeah,

911
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: for a nine oh twelve our system or you know

912
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna make up next. Uh, but uh, totally

913
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: different in the way we are. You just think it's

914
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: so unusual that we have so much time to go

915
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: monkey around. I mean, you know, we work forty hour week.

916
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do with the rest of

917
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: that time? I mean we're out monkey and stuff up.

918
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: And we were human experience compared to the vast majority

919
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: of humans that have lived on planet Earth. I mean,

920
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 1: you remember those statistics about hundred and seventeen billion Homo

921
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: sapiens that have ever lived seven point eight billion on

922
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: the planet today. Of humans that have ever lived, there's

923
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: no demographic data on them because their lives are lost

924
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: before history was recorded. I remembered, sir, Hey, I remember

925
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: my dad. I mean, when when I was a kid,

926
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like we didn't have time for

927
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: all this recreation. I mean, you know, I mean, it

928
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, we're going out and eat two

929
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: or three times a week. You know, we weren't. I mean,

930
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was just remember I remember you. So

931
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: when we when I was a kid, I remember us

932
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: going to a piece of property or something, and you

933
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: were oftentimes looking for a piece of land or something,

934
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: and we talked about the view. You know, boy, this

935
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: this is a pretty view on this property, and that

936
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: view gave it value. And I remember you told me,

937
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: you said, man, back when we were kids, people didn't

938
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: think like that. People people bought a piece of property

939
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: because they could make a living or homestead on it,

940
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: or like they weren't they weren't thinking about this aesthetic

941
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: things that we now attribute value to. So when you

942
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: think about those people, what they did. They got up

943
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: in the morning and they had their coffee and they

944
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: weren't talking about some fishing trip like Josh would be doing.

945
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: They're trying to catch a fish. We got to feed

946
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: the fan. Yeah, yeah, now that's a very that That

947
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: point is what most impacts me about understanding who these

948
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: people were. It's just they lived radically different lives in us.

949
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: Yet we're just like us. Absolutely, they were just they

950
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: were just like us. If you would have took one

951
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: of their babies and put it into Juju Nucam's class

952
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: at her school, that kid could have grown up and

953
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: been the president of the United States. And you know,

954
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead, dad, Well you know, I just

955
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: say that we can adapt to anything. I mean, we

956
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: could actually go back to almost those times and get adapted.

957
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Get you know how we've handled COVID when when they

958
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: put through me into basic training. Man, I could have

959
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: spent the rest of my life in basic training. I

960
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: mean I just adjusted to it. So hard times we

961
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: adjust to it. You know. We we looked, we set

962
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: new goals and objectives and we enjoy accomplishing them. And uh,

963
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: I think these were happy people and they love life.

964
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, when you started describing the things, how would

965
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: you like to live in this extreme cold weather? How

966
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: would you like to wear animal stuff? I was going

967
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I like it. I like that. I like this, do

968
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: you heard me? And then when you got to the park,

969
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: and afterday, I go, I don't like this. I mean

970
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: I probably would have enjoyed where the thing is is.

971
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have known any different, That's right, That's right,

972
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: you would. You would not have had anything to compare

973
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: it to. They thought they were living high on the hog.

974
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: That's right. When I was in college, if I had

975
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: known that these girls were gonna have sell phones and

976
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff they have, I would have been unhappy.

977
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: But I wasn't unnappy because I had no idea I'd

978
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: ever have a cell phone or all the technology. But

979
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: are you going to leave your listeners wondering what Juju

980
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: was doing in a bar? Okay? Yeah? Yeah, so this

981
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: is what happened, is uh And again we're talking about

982
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: how famous and loved Juju is in the community down there.

983
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: And uh so one time me and me and Bear

984
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: were hunting and we lost our mule. Okay, we're out

985
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: in public land and the mule got away from us.

986
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: We were camping, mule got away from us, ran off.

987
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: We come back to camp, mule's gone, and where I

988
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: was hunting, the closest civilization was this establishment that was

989
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: a bar okay and um so it was. It was

990
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: a Saturday night and we hiked off in the dark.

991
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: Because I'm not gonna go into full detail, you could

992
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: watch me tell this story and its entirety on the

993
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: Barony Magazine YouTube channel. And so I was afraid that

994
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: we were camped way in the back country and it

995
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: was dark. We came back to the camp and the

996
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: mules gone. I figured, the mules run back to the truck,

997
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be just freaking havoc out, you know,

998
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: by itself. And I figured somebody was gonna drive by.

999
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: I see a mule with a broke lead rope, and

1000
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: I think I was dead or something. And so I

1001
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: envisioned like the sheriff's coming and looking for me and whatnot.

1002
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: So I said, bear, we gotta get that. We gotta

1003
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: go find this mule. Hauled my saddle out all the

1004
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 1: way out, like carrying the saddle on my shoulder along

1005
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: with our whole camp and uh, get back down to

1006
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: the truck and the mule's not there. Well, I drive

1007
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: to the closest place, which was this bar, and I

1008
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: got and I walked its Saturday night. I pull up

1009
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: and Bear was a young kid at the time. This

1010
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: was years ago. Bear was like ten years old, And

1011
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: I go, Bear, if I don't come out, you, if

1012
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm not back here in ten minutes, you're getting this

1013
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: truck and you drive until you find somebody. What did

1014
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: you think that that was actually a joke. I didn't

1015
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: say that. What I did tell him was was I

1016
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: just said, Bear, you hunker down in this car, this truck,

1017
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: and do not answer. I mean, if somebody walks over

1018
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: here to this truck, just high okay. It's a rough place.

1019
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: And so I walk into this bar and I'm fully

1020
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: decked out and camo and I walked through the door

1021
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: and the place is just bouncing, you know, with country music,

1022
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: and uh there's I don't know, ten or fifteen people there,

1023
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: and there's just a classic bar, you know, and the

1024
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: music is so loud you can't hear anything. And I

1025
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I walk up to the bar and the bartender pretty

1026
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: quickly comes over to me and I just go. I

1027
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: just remember I said this almost word for words. This

1028
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: is like a bad joke. My name's Clay Nukem. And

1029
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: I lost my mule and I'm yelling this, okay because

1030
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: the music so loud. I lost my mule, and I

1031
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: want to leave you my phone number in case somebody

1032
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: sees it or you find it and you can call me.

1033
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: And he goes, what he can't hear it? So I

1034
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: yell at even louder, and by this time everybody in

1035
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: the whole bar is looking at me, and they're all listening.

1036
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: And I guess because I'm yelling so loud, they all

1037
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: can hear me. Can the music down? Yeah? I mean

1038
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: I should have said that. I should have said Alexis

1039
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: turned the music down. Um. And so I just remember

1040
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: yelling at this guy and he's just like looking at me,

1041
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: just like and like, I got two people down from me, goes,

1042
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: have you ever been in there before that? MW? And

1043
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: I go, doll, the mule has never been back there,

1044
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: and he goes, you'll never find that, MW. I remember that,

1045
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: and then and then standing up, I just want to

1046
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: make it clear, and I'm talking to this bartender, and

1047
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: then to my left like seven or eight people down

1048
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the bar. This guy, this guy

1049
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: stands up, and I'm telling you, he was wobbling just

1050
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, and he said, what's your name? And

1051
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I realized he's talking to me,

1052
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: and I said Clay Knuckle. And he said, is your

1053
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: mother Judy Knuckle? And I go and like a thousand

1054
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: things are going through my mind, mainly why does this

1055
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: man know my mother's name. I didn't know what to say.

1056
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know if we're about to get in a fight.

1057
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know you i'm your father. So I just

1058
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of bow up and I say, yes, she is.

1059
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: And he got his his his his countenance turned from

1060
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: like stern and inquisitive. He just kind of like melted

1061
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: into a smile and he said, she's my teacher. He

1062
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: didn't say he didn't say she was my teacher. He said,

1063
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: she is my teacher. This is a grown man, like

1064
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: older than me. And he loved Juju so much that

1065
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: apparently he is like Juju Nukam was my teacher, And

1066
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: did you do a lot of teaching on the bars, Judy?

1067
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: And so I came home. I went back and I

1068
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: said I walked in and I said, Juju, well, they

1069
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: sure know your name down at the bar, and I

1070
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: had a few questions for her. Did you find the mule? Yes,

1071
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: the mule came back to our original campsite. No, it

1072
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: was a mule. I don't have name. She was wild

1073
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: as a wind, which nearly killed me multi time. Good

1074
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: reason to get a Yeah. I warned the guy that

1075
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: I gave her to or that I traded her too.

1076
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, she'll kick you and she'll

1077
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: run off with you. I fear that he didn't tell

1078
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: the God that I have not heard. You cannot find

1079
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: that man to save your life. I was honest with him.

1080
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, merry Christmas. Than I enjoyed it. I

1081
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed cookies and thank you. All right we got before

1082
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: we send you off on the render. Today we got

1083
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: a little song for you, Josh Spellmaker. We wish you

1084
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Christmas. We

1085
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: wish you a merry Christmas. And happy do We wish

1086
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: you a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Christmas.

1087
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: We wish you a merry Christmas. Happy do you? Good time? Widings?

1088
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: We bring to you and the kid tidings for Christmas

1089
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: and a happy new Year. We wish you a merry Christmas.

1090
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: Wish you a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Christmas.

1091
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: Harry Christmas, our good buddy, Brent Reeves couldn't make it

1092
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: to the Render Christmas party. Very sad, but here's a

1093
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: message from Brent. Hey. This is Brent Reeves with a

1094
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: bear Grease, Render Hate. I couldn't be at the party today.

1095
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: I know it was a good time because there was

1096
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: a lot of good folks there. I got everybody the

1097
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: presence that they wanted, except for you, Clay. I'm I'm sorry, buddy.

1098
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: They just don't make a Steve Vanilla action figure. Best

1099
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: I could come up with was an old naked g

1100
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: I Joe we found in the attic that belonged to

1101
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: my son. I made him a suit close out of

1102
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: a out of a squirrel eyed that we were saving

1103
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: the type flies with. That is just going to have

1104
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: to do until we can come up with something different.

1105
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: I do want to thank you guys for allowing me

1106
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: to be a part of this and wish every one

1107
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: of you and everyone listening a very very merry Christmas.

1108
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: What do you think that was terrible,