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Speaker 1: TJ Slayton. Then it's my final interview from the NFL

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Speaker 1: So far, in free agency, the Bengals have re signed

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Speaker 1: several of their own key players, including Mike Kasiki, B J. Hill, and,

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Speaker 1: according to published reports, Joseph Oside. They've brought back a

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Speaker 1: running back sama J. P Rin, and added a couple

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Speaker 1: of players from other teams. Linebacker Orrin Berks, who played

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Speaker 1: pen to paper early next week, and defensive tackle TJ. Slayton,

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Speaker 1: who started every game for Green Bay over the last

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Speaker 1: reportedly a two year, fourteen million dollar deal. Two years ago,

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus ranked the three hundred and thirty pounds

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Speaker 1: behind the New York Giants Dexter Lawrence. When the Bengals

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Speaker 1: hired new defensive coordinator Al gold and I asked him

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Speaker 1: about trying to acquire somebody like Slayton. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like it's important to add size inside, particularly playing six

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Speaker 2: North, no doubt, especially with the running attacks that we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the schedule yet. Overall, that's something

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Speaker 2: we'll do in the off season. But obviously if you

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Speaker 2: can stop the run, and more importantly than that is

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Speaker 2: you can't always play an out number box in this

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where the scheme is important. That's

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Speaker 1: Slayton certainly has size and strength, but he's also an

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Speaker 1: athletic freak, and that's where I started our conversation. TJ.

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Speaker 1: You are six four three point thirty, but I looked

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Speaker 3: So usually in the offseason I play basketball.

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Speaker 1: So what are the some of the freaky athletic things

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Speaker 3: On, no way, I've did a I've done a couple

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Speaker 1: All right, I'd like to see it. That's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: So I think people listening to this know that you

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Speaker 1: He's a young guy. He almost looks like he could

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Speaker 1: still play. He played your position, he played tackle. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh does that help you connect with him? Uh?

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Speaker 1: So your eyes kind of light up as you describe that.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting the TJ. Slayton. The Bengals have struggled at

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Speaker 1: ESPN graded you as the number one defensive tackle in

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Speaker 3: It's all in the technique. Come out your hips, use

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Speaker 1: How much of it is want to.

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Speaker 3: Every play, every player that you see, you want to make.

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Speaker 3: You want to make it. You want you want to

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Speaker 3: play to be yours. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: Here. Defense takes all eleven. But how much of a

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Speaker 3: Line, Because it's like it's it's like it gets repetitive,

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Speaker 3: It's gonna it's kind of demoralizing for offense that they

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Speaker 1: We're chatting with TJ. Slayton, one of your most impressive

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Speaker 1: traits in your four NFL seasons is that you've never

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Speaker 1: went to the playoffs three times in your four years.

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Speaker 1: You had to play through a lot. I mean, nobody

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Speaker 1: stays completely healthy through seventeen eighteen nineteen games, whatever it

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Speaker 3: I've had my knicks, uh, thumbs, fingers, turf toe, ankle

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Speaker 3: I fight through a lot of stuff and that that's

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Speaker 3: But it's just like I think, I honestly believe, like

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like, that's how

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Speaker 1: That means a lot to the people in the room.

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Speaker 1: How much respect do you think you've gained for your

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they can look back on it and

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Speaker 3: He always gonna play through whatever he got going on,

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Speaker 3: or at least he's gonna try. I think one thing

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Speaker 1: You were a high school All American as an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I know you played both, but you're graded as the

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Speaker 3: Uh? I just switched, just switched over. I asks the coaches, like,

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Speaker 3: I like defense?

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Speaker 3: I like defense better. Offense was fun in high school,

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Speaker 3: So once I got to college, that kind of defense

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Speaker 1: Jerry Montgomery is not your only connection at Cincinnati. Your

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Speaker 1: Your rookie year, the Bengals went to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. With Slayton in the middle of their defense,

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Speaker 1: Up next Charles Davis, who calls NFL games for CBS

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Speaker 1: and covers the draft for the NFL Network. I caught

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Speaker 1: up with him recently at the NFL Scouting Combine, a

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Speaker 4: I agree with Duke that they are championship caliber team.

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Speaker 5: I think what we've got to look at, though, is

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Speaker 5: an easy reason why Joe.

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Speaker 4: And if so, they're right back in the mixing, back

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Speaker 5: I think that he is saying that to make sure

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Speaker 4: I buy it?

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Speaker 5: And the reason I buy it is that quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 5: He's got to have that help and you have to

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Speaker 5: have your core. And Dan, we've seen wherever the best

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty good core right there. Best pass you know, number.

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Speaker 4: You better take care of everyone.

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Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, T Higgins, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Have you been at all surprised by how public Joe

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is not going to talk a heck of

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Speaker 5: We believe that we are, and we hope that Joe

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Speaker 4: These guys are produced for me. I want them taking care.

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Speaker 1: Of Charles Davis is our guest. I've heard from several

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Speaker 5: And you know my colleague Daniel Jeremiah, who is the

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Speaker 5: I think that he is right about that. They're defensive

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Speaker 4: Up all day long. All right, Can you move inside?

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Speaker 1: I don't think i've seen Charles Davis's mock draft one

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Speaker 1: point oh yet. It's not out there yet. Any thought though,

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Speaker 4: Boy, I hadn't even thought about that part of it yet.

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Speaker 5: I have to wait and see, Dan, We'll see where

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna end up doing three, all right.

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Speaker 4: But I know this, We're not.

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles are the reigning Super Bowl champions. They've

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Speaker 4: You work your way from there. But they've hit, you

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Speaker 5: It's not just drafting people and hoping. You're always hoping

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Speaker 5: when you draft, they've really hit. Like Jalen Carter was

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Speaker 5: not supposed to be available at the number nine pick.

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Speaker 5: He was the best player in the draft, and then

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Speaker 5: he got in trouble right before the draft. So now

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Speaker 5: he goes into play and when he got to a

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Speaker 5: certain range, Philadelphia said go and they jumped up and

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Speaker 5: got him. And I think they had to go what

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Speaker 5: two spots to get him because at ten he was

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Speaker 5: gonna be gone. Guess what they got it done. Jordan

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Speaker 5: Davis has elevated his play as a first round guy

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Speaker 5: inside and has increased stamina. You know, you flicking that

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Speaker 5: offensive line model. One thing I think Hawi Rosemand does

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Speaker 5: really well is that he drafts ahead of time. For drafting.

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Speaker 5: Cam Jurgens came in as their center of the future

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Speaker 5: for Jason Kelsey. You remember Dan, We thought maybe Jason

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Speaker 5: was going one more year, but.

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Speaker 4: He go another three.

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Speaker 5: So they put Cam Jurgens a guard and told that,

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Speaker 5: so he's gonna get experienced. He moved over seamlessly. This year,

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Speaker 5: they're still running that quarterback lead and he's the one

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Speaker 5: snapman and pulling.

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Speaker 4: If you didn't see a sixty te right, if you

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Speaker 4: didn't see his number, you'd swear Kelsey was back out

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Speaker 4: there doing it again.

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Speaker 5: That was how he roseman, seeing future, getting ahead of it,

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Speaker 5: and already backfilling off of it.

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Speaker 4: About Mackay Beckton, Remember the T shirt you wore. I

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Speaker 4: am a.

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Speaker 5: Left tackle, and okay, you may think your left tack,

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Speaker 5: but you're on your last stop here, dude, all right,

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Speaker 5: because you're gonna compete to be the swing tackle.

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Speaker 4: And then one day someone was.

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Speaker 5: Out and Jeff Stoutlin, the great Offensilza, take some reps

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Speaker 5: at guard. Oh and then he said, okay, guess what,

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Speaker 5: You're not competing for the starting guard job with Tyler

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Speaker 5: Steve wins the job.

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Speaker 4: You think you could get Mackai beck Dion to want

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Speaker 4: to be a tackle again. No, his whole career is transformed.

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Speaker 5: They do a great job drafting, they do a great

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Speaker 5: job developing, coaching, all those things that go along with it.

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Speaker 5: To me, the lesson is you have to have it all.

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Speaker 5: You can't just have the draft, you can't just have

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Speaker 5: the coaching, can't just have the talent.

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia maximizes it, every bit of it.

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Speaker 1: You have had the good fortune misfortune. I don't know

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Speaker 1: of calling the Bengals season opener in recent years, and

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Speaker 1: clearly this is something that's got to be fixed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well they got to find a way to fix it.

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Speaker 1: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and

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Speaker 1: hoping for a different result, So they've got to mix

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Speaker 1: it up. Any theories, I wish.

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Speaker 4: I had one, because I thought we had it last year.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 5: Truthfully, I thought the theory was very simple, that Joe

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Speaker 5: Burrow had been hurt right or coming off of injury

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Speaker 5: the year before, so his preseason wasn't full on.

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Speaker 4: Remember what was it happened Deck to me? One year?

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Speaker 5: Right, he's coming off in acl one year, all those things.

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Speaker 5: Last year we didn't have that. He was able to

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Speaker 5: practice full I thought, boy, they are primed now to

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Speaker 5: get out of the gate and go.

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Speaker 4: No one more surprised. Listen, I know Cincinnati fans were stunned.

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Speaker 5: No one was more surprised than us in the announcementoth

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Speaker 5: watching that New England opener, none of us like, in

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Speaker 5: no way anyone saw it. I think we go into

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Speaker 5: every game knowing anything can happen, but we're human. No

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Speaker 5: one that like, WHOA, what just happened here? So my

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Speaker 5: theory's out in the window. Now I've got nothing because

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Speaker 5: I thought the theory was just get Joe healthy and

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Speaker 5: have a good preseason. That wasn't it either.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see if they play guys in the preseason

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Speaker 1: what else they might try. I'm sure they're gonna try

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Speaker 1: something different. We'll see if it produces a better result.

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Speaker 1: In any case, you're crazy busy here in Indianapolis. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you getting us some of your time. Look

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Speaker 1: forward to a seeing you next year.

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Speaker 4: Hey, no busier than you are. Thanks a lot. It's

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Speaker 4: always great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Since that conversation, Charles has released his first mock draft.

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Speaker 1: He has quarterbacks Shador Sanders, cam Ward and Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: going one, two three, and has the Bengals selecting Texas

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Speaker 1: A and m Edge rusher Shamar Stewart seventeenth overall. Stuart

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Speaker 1: is six' five just under two hundred and seventy pounds

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Speaker 1: and ran the forty yard dash in four point five nine.

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Speaker 1: Seconds his vertical, leap again at nearly two hundred and seventy,

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Speaker 1: pounds was forty. Inches the knock On steward is that

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Speaker 1: his incredible athleticism didn't lead to great production At TEXAS

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Speaker 1: a AND. M he had four and a half sacks

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