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Speaker 1: so we're going all night.
Speaker 2: Baby. My name is Jordan run Talk and I'm Alex Heigel.
Speaker 1: I'll play the wrap up music today, folks, We're going
Speaker 1: to the Oscars. Pause the episode, pick an outfit, get
Speaker 1: your glam squad together, maybe runt to stretch limo, and
Speaker 1: drive around and listen as we give you all the
Speaker 1: details and wild.
Speaker 2: Stories about Hollywood's biggest night.
Speaker 1: We are taping this on the Monday after the ninety
Speaker 1: seventh Annual Academy Award. So the mood is right, the
Speaker 1: spirit's up, We're here tonight, and damn it, that's enough. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. I just like a wonderful Christmas time into
Speaker 1: an episode also doesn't really like ooh higo, how do
Speaker 1: you feel? We were texting a little during the award
Speaker 1: show last night.
Speaker 2: What do you think? You know? I was really off
Speaker 2: my game this season. I actually did not see too much,
Speaker 2: yeah saying I really liked I really like the substance.
Speaker 2: Oh you wouldn't love body horror? Yeah? Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that was about it. Oh, I mean I think Dune too,
Speaker 2: if we're still talking about that, and obviously not Sato,
Speaker 2: but no, a lot of the big best Actor and
Speaker 2: best I'm happy Timothy Shall and I didn't win.
Speaker 1: I know, I kind of well, no, actually that was
Speaker 1: the one thing I felt he deserved. That whole movie
Speaker 1: I didn't think was that good. But his performance, though,
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. But it was like a bad
Speaker 1: movie or like not a very interesting movie.
Speaker 2: He didn't get that. What No, why is that everything
Speaker 2: else been handed on to him? He didn't get an oscar.
Speaker 2: He's not a good actor. I'm sorry, whoa, whoa, Oh,
Speaker 2: don't act like this is some bomb like like like mine,
Speaker 2: like extreamely hot take. He's got great bone structure and
Speaker 2: good hair, and he's anemic in that way that people
Speaker 2: find attractive. He's not a good actor. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 2: don't care. Really, Yeah, we show his range in Dune
Speaker 2: from like petulant sallow aristocrat to like least compelling savory
Speaker 2: of the universe. Ever, like, I don't what where's your
Speaker 2: Timothy shallow may evidence, Like where's this great role that
Speaker 2: he supposedly got in.
Speaker 1: Him call me by your name?
Speaker 2: Who's a kid? When he did that, wasn't he? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'll give you Wonka. I'll give you Wonka
Speaker 2: Gough And he was good as Dylan.
Speaker 1: He taught himself guitar and these complicated parts he's saying
Speaker 1: live during the filming.
Speaker 2: Did you just say those complicated parts? Oh god? Oh no.
Speaker 2: First of all, you know that, like all the cool
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan guitar parts were played by other people in
Speaker 2: that early stuff, Right, yeah, okay, cool? He sund like Bob,
Speaker 2: So does everybody. Thousands of people have a Bob Dylan impression.
Speaker 2: That's true, That is very true. Yeah, we were gonna
Speaker 2: give a We're gonna give the logan director James Mangold
Speaker 2: a best director for a behind the music episode like
Speaker 2: a LARPing. I mean, the Cohen brother has already made
Speaker 2: the best Greenwich Village movie of all time. That is true.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about in front of the Pod door today
Speaker 1: or no, no different, friend of the Pod, Friend of
Speaker 1: the Pod Monica. Anyway, Well, Mikey Madison, I call me,
Speaker 1: by the way. I'm excited to see Anaura. Everyone I've
Speaker 1: talked to is either said it's great or they said
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, but you will like it, which
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I'll take that of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited. Although I heard a lot of people
Speaker 1: complaining that it was basically like Hustlers but no people
Speaker 1: of color. And while Hustlers was thrown into the trash
Speaker 1: heap of Hollywood cinema, Honora was feted big time.
Speaker 2: No Husters was thrown into that because Jennifer Lopez was
Speaker 2: going to like force her way into an Oscar. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It was just not a particularly compelling movie
Speaker 2: season to me. I know, like everyone get mad at
Speaker 2: me about that. But I didn't see the Karen Coulkin
Speaker 2: one that he was nominated for. I did see Wicked.
Speaker 2: Oh you loved Wicked, and I love how much you
Speaker 2: love Wicked songs for Bangers, and it is good that
Speaker 2: it won for production design because the production design actually
Speaker 2: in that was quite crazy and they planted like fifty
Speaker 2: thousand poppies at one point to shoot the poppy field scene.
Speaker 2: I didn't see Nickel Boys Gladiator two one for Best Elephant. Well,
Speaker 2: no it didn't. It was nominated for costume design for
Speaker 2: Best Elephant. Yeah, lost to Yeah. I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I take umbrage with your description of Oscars as movie magic.
Speaker 2: Though this is movie peckage and tree. This is a
Speaker 2: different this is movie philating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. I understand that take.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I do. But in the same way that you know,
Speaker 1: certain people really get comfort and joy and even a
Speaker 1: certain amount of excitement in say, the ritual of Catholicism
Speaker 1: of oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fun pageantry. I mean, like, I'll watch
Speaker 2: it if it's on.
Speaker 1: I just I'm also the guy who defended to the
Speaker 1: death the Macy's Thanksgiving the parade in our episode on it,
Speaker 1: So I I clearly love my.
Speaker 2: Tradition forgot him. It's a very predictable take that I'm having.
Speaker 2: Obviously everyone will. Of course you did. There's an a
Speaker 2: song about you, like, of course you's what you think.
Speaker 2: But uh, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I made it for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for you. Movies, Music, TV and Clare Money France
Speaker 2: maing the show so fun. A crumby co host is
Speaker 2: seconds and yeah, I don't know, and I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I like I watched that. I like the like the
Speaker 2: fashions kind of fun sometimes and but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you get those rare things like Sean Baker's
Speaker 2: and I have no quarrel with that man. But it
Speaker 2: is not to be denied that he was like a
Speaker 2: legitimately independent filmmaker. You know, he shot Tangerine I think
Speaker 2: entirely on an iPhone. I like five yep. Yeah, he's so,
Speaker 2: you know, good for him.
Speaker 1: I like that, and made it for six million with
Speaker 1: a cast and crew I think it was cast and
Speaker 1: crew of like forty.
Speaker 2: I want to say.
Speaker 1: It's something insane. And Mikey Madison's like my first celebrity
Speaker 1: crush in many, many years.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for you. I know, I'm really happy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're really happy. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think it's I like doing the post mortem on
Speaker 2: kind of the acceptance speechies in particular, because it's really
Speaker 2: funny to see people like I don't think I realized
Speaker 2: Adrian Bradie was so stupid.
Speaker 1: You mean you didn't see the SNL thing where he
Speaker 1: just randomly wears a rosta wig, And yeah, well.
Speaker 2: So I was actually thinking about this. Was that what
Speaker 2: got him like band canceled in Hollywood? Because like, because
Speaker 2: if you look at his filmography, it is insane. He
Speaker 2: won an Oscar. He was then in like some weird
Speaker 2: genre stuff like Splice and Predators, and then he's been
Speaker 2: in like every Wes Anderson movie and then so much
Speaker 2: direct to video, nither video, direct to streaming garbage, And
Speaker 2: I was just like, man, was he actively like blackballed
Speaker 2: for like kissing Halle Berry and doing that like Jamaican
Speaker 2: petwa thing? Or is it just is he not good?
Speaker 2: And then I watched him speak and I was like,
Speaker 2: you're maybe kind of like there's not that much going
Speaker 2: on up top. You got like social eyes and you
Speaker 2: got an interesting face, so or is it dick or
Speaker 2: both two things can be true. I was at the
Speaker 2: same time as my therapist always says, yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 2: have we have we uh, you know, enacted our roles
Speaker 2: where you're the g whiz guy and the I'm the
Speaker 2: st on this guy. You know, the Oscars gift bags
Speaker 2: or how much are they worth? Like forty grand each
Speaker 2: over one hundred grand overall, one hundred grand we get
Speaker 2: to that King Christ. Yeah, every time I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: Like it's been a rough like five or ten years
Speaker 2: for like the country. Every time I see a room
Speaker 2: full of people that's rich, I'm like, I should be
Speaker 2: wearing a bomb, you know, Like I don't. I'm sorry, Like,
Speaker 2: and all this filating over, like, oh what could art?
Speaker 2: Art can change the world? Movies can change the world,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, they actually can't, Like it's all
Speaker 2: the worst people in the world are going to keep
Speaker 2: doing their things and and apparently without consequence, no matter
Speaker 2: how many movies you make about them or protest songs.
Speaker 2: So no art failed, Like great, sorry is this new
Speaker 2: to anyone? Like I'm twenty twenty five, Like look the
Speaker 2: look at the failed American experiment? Tell me, like movies
Speaker 2: are revel to change lives or whatever lofty sentiment these
Speaker 2: people put out, like cool, they're movies. Good, good for
Speaker 2: making them. I see a lot of movies. I like
Speaker 2: going to the movies, but like, as far as buy
Speaker 2: a hook line and sinker for this, I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: how dare you?
Speaker 1: I didn't think we get here quite so fast. I
Speaker 1: knew we would get here eventually, not in the first
Speaker 1: five to ten minutes. I mean, folks, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to remind everyone who's listening right now that we
Speaker 1: are both recovering slash retired entertainment journalists. So for a
Speaker 1: solid decade, Awards season in general was the busiest time
Speaker 1: of the year, and the Oscars specifically was an extremely long,
Speaker 1: grueling couple of days.
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of ptsdy at play. Here
Speaker 2: was at like six pm to whenever it raps. I
Speaker 2: get home at like three or four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you, even though you were told not
Speaker 1: to get up the next morning, you were sort of
Speaker 1: unofficially expected to get up like a second click hot take, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so yeah. For a long time, there was not a
Speaker 1: lot that was fun about the Oscars for us. So
Speaker 1: while friends had viewing parties, we were loaded into the
Speaker 1: war room or a corporate conference room, packed with some
Speaker 1: of the most stressed out people you could ever imagine,
Speaker 1: some of whom wearing suspenders, and we'd be writing as
Speaker 1: fast as we could until two or three in the morning,
Speaker 1: desperately trying to find new ways to describe a ball gown.
Speaker 1: It took a few years, but I think the PTSD
Speaker 1: is worn off, and I'm at least finally.
Speaker 2: Able to watch the Oscars for pleasure again, which is
Speaker 2: good because they actually mean an awful lot to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this about me, Heigel.
Speaker 1: This is a very very very special episode for me
Speaker 1: because in your retrospect, the Oscars are kind of my
Speaker 1: pop culture origin story, though it didn't really occur to
Speaker 1: me as such at the time. My mother was obsessed
Speaker 1: with all things Hollywood.
Speaker 2: She should have led with this. Now, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: feel mad. Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: She loved movies and we always had like a steady
Speaker 1: stream of entertainment weekly and People magazines coming to our house,
Speaker 1: and the Oscars were basically a holiday in our household.
Speaker 2: She'd watched them as a little girl.
Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, she let me stay
Speaker 1: up way past my bedtime and watched them with her.
Speaker 1: And it was always her dream to go to the Oscars,
Speaker 1: but she never got to make it.
Speaker 2: So when I got a.
Speaker 1: Little older and went to film school to study screenwriting,
Speaker 1: which I came to completely on my own, I just
Speaker 1: loved writing and I like you loved the movies.
Speaker 2: You know, the dream that everybody at school with me
Speaker 2: had to go to the.
Speaker 1: Oscars was a little extra potent for me because it
Speaker 1: had this emotional resonance. Now, I have not gotten nominated
Speaker 1: for a screenplay Oscar, not yet, not yet. But I
Speaker 1: was sent to cover the eighty fifth Annual Academy Awards
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen when I was working for VH one,
Speaker 1: and I got the assignment like two weeks before the show.
Speaker 1: And to call it a dream come true was the
Speaker 1: understatement of the century. When I set foot on the
Speaker 1: red carpet, I think I got a little taste of
Speaker 1: what Neil Armstrong felt. It was just it was just
Speaker 1: so crazy, coming from this little New England town suddenly
Speaker 1: being there on the red carpet.
Speaker 2: It was really really special.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, meeting George Clooney and Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Hathaway and all that stuff was cool.
Speaker 2: Anne Harvey Weinstein that was less cool.
Speaker 1: But the best part for me was just being there
Speaker 1: because I felt like I got in there for both
Speaker 1: of us, my mom and me, and that was.
Speaker 2: Just really special.
Speaker 1: So this is one of those rare moments when my
Speaker 1: personal and professional highlights kind of merge.
Speaker 2: So I can't believe you've set me up for that. Well,
Speaker 2: encourage all of my worst tendencies, and then you like
Speaker 2: break the sincerity sound barrier that was so sweet.
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean it'll make you feel a little
Speaker 1: better because I we're about to tell so many horrible
Speaker 1: stories that would have probably made my mom hate the movies.
Speaker 2: So it's not quite a sentimental that's my setup. What
Speaker 2: have you believe?
Speaker 1: But God, I know I say this at the beginning
Speaker 1: of like every episode lately, but this is quite possibly
Speaker 1: the longest episode to date. Ah, that's the history of
Speaker 1: the Oscars.
Speaker 2: All right, strap in bitches.
Speaker 1: That's right, no fact teasers for you. We're diving right in,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Here's everything you didn't know about the Oscars.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say. Starts playing the playoff music. I'm
Speaker 2: go to wrap it up.
Speaker 1: As we delve into the ultimate episode of Movie Magic,
Speaker 1: we unfortunately need to mention Louis B. Mayor, the original
Speaker 1: cigar chopping executive and the villain of our recent Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz two, for you may remember. For those who
Speaker 1: might have forgotten, Louis B. Mayor was the head of
Speaker 1: MGM Studios and the first man to earn over a
Speaker 1: million dollars a year in nineteen thirty's depression era money.
Speaker 1: Presumably looking for more things to control, Louis B. Mayor
Speaker 1: came up with the idea of the Academy of Motion
Speaker 1: Picture Arts and Sciences in nineteen twenty seven. Basically, there's
Speaker 1: a way to union bust. He was designed to mediate
Speaker 1: labor disputes within the industry without the use of actual unions.
Speaker 1: So that's something I will talk about on the Oscars
Speaker 1: red carpet. The first official organizational meeting of the Academy
Speaker 1: was held the Biltmore Hotel in May nineteen twenty seven,
Speaker 1: where Douglas Fairbanks Senior, a very famous silver screen erasilent Erastar,
Speaker 1: was elected its first president, and it took roughly a
Speaker 1: year for serious discussions to evolve about a proposed award
Speaker 1: of merit that would be dispensed once a year by
Speaker 1: the Academy. By the summer of nineteen twenty eight, they'd
Speaker 1: landed on twelve categories to honor outstanding achievements in cinema.
Speaker 1: These included familiar favorites like Best Actor and Actress, Best
Speaker 1: Original Writing and Best Adapted Writing, Best Art Direction, Best
Speaker 1: cinematography and Engineering effects.
Speaker 2: As well as some unusual stuff like best title Writing.
Speaker 2: Oh well, this would have been in the era when
Speaker 2: they had to do all that, right. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well this is interesting too.
Speaker 1: Best Direction was divided into comedy and drama categories.
Speaker 2: There were two Best Director categories. Well, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: maybe it's like Golden Globes do that too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what the Globes do. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I think when you take the long view of the Oscars,
Speaker 2: it does seem like the ponderous has often won out
Speaker 2: over the joyous. That is correct, That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: And this is interesting too.
Speaker 1: They had two different Best Picture categories. They had Most
Speaker 1: Unique and Artistic Picture, as well as Outstanding Picture, which
Speaker 1: I appreciate. It's like one for the big swings and
Speaker 1: one for the technically great crowd favorite. I think that's
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: Weren't they talking about doing that recently for like all
Speaker 2: the Marvel movies that are like technical abominations but used
Speaker 2: to make a lot of money and now they don't anymore.
Speaker 2: But like they were talking about like best best money Maker. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't it was like box office achievement or something.
Speaker 1: Gross. Oh, that's really the sky. Box office achievements made
Speaker 1: a ton of money, Like you don't know what the okay?
Speaker 1: That really that makes me mad.
Speaker 2: That's what the money is for. Do you know what
Speaker 2: The funniest thing about this is this is me being
Speaker 2: way too online? Is I think this goes back to Marty, Marty,
Speaker 2: my sweet sweet Marty yep calling the Disney Marvel's like
Speaker 2: amusement park rides or whatever, and all of these people,
Speaker 2: you know, flipped out. And one of the Russo brothers,
Speaker 2: who were like the House Marvel directors for a little
Speaker 2: while and are widely credited or blamed with establishing like
Speaker 2: the house style and look of those movies, boa in
Speaker 2: one of these clips like, uh, Marty's like his dog
Speaker 2: is named Oscar, so he's like, come on Oscar, like
Speaker 2: on his Instagram or something, and one of the Russo
Speaker 2: brothers filmed a similar clip where he was like that
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt my feelings, like all right, come on box
Speaker 2: office and everyone was like, oh, let's talk about this
Speaker 2: now in the discourse like uh, and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: God man, James Mangold Oscar nominee James Mangold made that
Speaker 2: Indie Bomb like two years ago. They're like the most
Speaker 2: expensive Indiana Jones movie. Oh that kind of indie, different indie. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: so like look at him, you know, it's just yeah,
Speaker 2: it's totally meritocracy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: Anara won all those awards because it almost seemed like
Speaker 1: a big middle finger from the Academy to.
Speaker 2: Like huge studio, massive budget films like that. Was interesting
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, I mean there's this idea that for
Speaker 2: a while it was like genuine people in the trades
Speaker 2: and everything, but the probably those people don't die, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and unlike being an actor, you're not like forced off screen,
Speaker 2: so they just like hung out there giving oscars like
Speaker 2: Green Book. That's the Academy member right now. What was
Speaker 2: the average? I mean, they did this a little while ago.
Speaker 2: This was twenty twenty two. Eighty one percent of them
Speaker 2: were white. Well, in twenty twelve it reached a particular nadier.
Speaker 2: There were fifty one hundred members of the Academy. Ninety
Speaker 2: four of them were Caucasian, seventy seven percent were male,
Speaker 2: and fifty four percent were over the age of sixty.
Speaker 2: A full third of them are former nominees and a
Speaker 2: fifth of them were winners. So in twenty sixteen, like
Speaker 2: the Oscar so White thing took off and they were like, okay, guys,
Speaker 2: like what message received? But like that was you know,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve was not that long ago. Yeah, no, decades.
Speaker 2: It was just run by a bunch of old crackers. Uh,
Speaker 2: can I not say that. I don't know anyway, intent
Speaker 2: is crucial, I intend to hurt. Yes, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just it's that's that's crazy, Like I mean, of
Speaker 2: course they're actors. They're they're they're actors. But like just
Speaker 2: the idea that if you're a nominee and you're voting,
Speaker 2: you have some kind of score to settle.
Speaker 1: Right oh yes, yes, oh yeah, anyway, I mean taking
Speaker 1: it all the way back to the beginning, it hasn't
Speaker 1: really evolved much. The first Academy Awards ceremony took like
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel on May sixteenth, nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Tickets for the private dinner cost five dollars.
Speaker 2: Adjusted for inflation, that's only like ninety three bucks. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's how crazy, Like ticketing his guy you could ninety
Speaker 2: three bucks will get you parking lot tickets to see
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: And the presentation ceremony, hosted by Douglas Fairbanks, who's the
Speaker 1: Academy president you'll remember.
Speaker 2: Lasted just fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: At the other end of the spectrum, the two thousand
Speaker 1: and two ceremony lasted four hours and twenty three minutes.
Speaker 1: They are about two hundred and seventy guests, and there
Speaker 1: was no suspense because the results had been announced in February,
Speaker 1: three months earlier and printed in the Academy's newsletter. The
Speaker 1: inaugural Best Actor was a german Man named Emil Jannings,
Speaker 1: who won for his performance in two movies which I
Speaker 1: don't fully understand, The Last Command and The Way of
Speaker 1: All Flesh. That's quite a title.
Speaker 2: His career, uh kind of declined after that.
Speaker 1: He was rejected from talkies due to his thick journ
Speaker 1: An accent, and it returned to his homeland where he
Speaker 1: fell in with Joseph Goebels and his propaganda machine and
Speaker 1: starred in multiple films promoting Nazism. Then, when the Allies
Speaker 1: stormed Berlin in nineteen forty five, Yachtings reportedly carried his
Speaker 1: Oscar statuette around with him in the street to win
Speaker 1: over the American GIS and to demonstrate his former allegiance
Speaker 1: to the US, which I find to be truly one
Speaker 1: of the most amazing instances of don't you know who
Speaker 1: I am ing in Hollywood history?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's up there. Yeah. Did it work? I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I'm unclear. Man, what a
Speaker 2: piece of Yeah in Shermans Yeah, movie Magic, Yeah, Operation
Speaker 2: paper Clip. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first ever Academy Award for Outstanding Picture, as it
Speaker 1: was known then, went to Wings, not the nineties TV show,
Speaker 1: but a nineteen twenty seven everyone Loves Wings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like my first grade teacher's favorite TV show.
Speaker 2: I remember everybody loved Wings.
Speaker 1: But no, this was a nineteen twenty seven silent movie
Speaker 1: that told the story of two pilots in love with
Speaker 1: the same woman. The film costs two million dollars to produce,
Speaker 1: which was put it kind of high on Melissa the
Speaker 1: most expensive movies at that point. Oh, the next line,
Speaker 1: making it the most expensive movie of its time. I
Speaker 1: wrote this up until the release of The Artist in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Wings was the only silent film to win
Speaker 1: Best Picture.
Speaker 2: God remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a weird little blip. Huh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all happened.
Speaker 2: Whatever happened to that guy? And they just take him
Speaker 2: out back and shoot him.
Speaker 1: He's French. He's probably fine. Yeah, she probably be fine
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 2: Remember the dog. Everyone loved the dog so much. That
Speaker 2: dog's I forgot about the dog. Yeah, for you, dog's dead.
Speaker 2: Let's confirm that.
Speaker 1: I go confirm, ihig, I put you on dog confirmation duty.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Was like, I have other things to read, but check it.
Speaker 1: What was the dog's name? That's a great part trivia question.
Speaker 1: What the hell is the dog's name Uggie in the
Speaker 1: movie or real life?
Speaker 2: Real life? Of course, the dog died. It died in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen of what vaxed? Oh wow, oh here this
Speaker 2: will interest you.
Speaker 1: Initially, there were only two performance categories, Best Actor and
Speaker 1: Best Actress. Naturally, performers with smaller parts would lose out
Speaker 1: to those with bigger parts in every sense.
Speaker 2: Don't bring Milton Borough into this.
Speaker 1: To combat this, the Academy introduced the Best Supporting Actor
Speaker 1: and Actresses category. In nineteen thirty six, the seventh Annual
Speaker 1: Academy awards. However, for a time, these winners kind of
Speaker 1: got shafted. Instead of a full blown oscar, they received
Speaker 1: a plaque mounted on a wooden alongside a small raised
Speaker 1: oscar figurine, and supporting players didn't receive the same statuette
Speaker 1: as their starring peers until nineteen forty three. While on
Speaker 1: the topic of unfair oscar fights, the Academy opted to make.
Speaker 2: A juvenile award in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: Apparently after fifty something year old Lionel Barrymore went head
Speaker 1: to head with nine year old Jackie Cooper, he literally
Speaker 1: fell asleep during the ceremony because it was past this bedtime.
Speaker 2: What made him exempt from the Judy Garland pep pill diet.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Maybe they have a ceremony. What a grateful little fuck.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like a ceremony. It's like kind of the
Speaker 1: Hollywood equivalent of a bar mitzvah. It's like, you are
Speaker 1: now old enough to consume these decks. Adream you are
Speaker 1: now a man at twelve I'll say twelve, maybe eleven?
Speaker 2: Yeah. One.
Speaker 1: Like many men of his era, Lionel Barrymore didn't take
Speaker 1: a great deal of satisfaction in beating a child. In fact,
Speaker 1: he felt like his oscar was somewhat cheap and by
Speaker 1: the lowly competition. So to avoid another awkward incident, the
Speaker 1: Academy instituted the Juvenile Award, which it presented during the
Speaker 1: seventh ceremony Yeah Oh Yeah, which it first presented in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. The first recipient was six year old
Speaker 1: Shirley Temple, quote in grateful recognition of her outstanding contribution
Speaker 1: to screen entertainment during the year nineteen thirty four. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Juvenile Statue didn't solve the bedtime problem, and upon
Speaker 1: receiving the half sized Oscar trophy, a drowsy Temple thanked
Speaker 1: the presenter before asking Mommy, can I go home now?
Speaker 1: I assumed that was scripted and said in a cute way,
Speaker 1: because if it was a genuine request for rest, she
Speaker 1: would have gone hinged.
Speaker 2: She would have gotten pinched so hard in her soft forearm.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: A total of twelve Juvenile Awards would be handed out
Speaker 1: over the next three decades. Recipients included newly minted Enemy
Speaker 1: of the Pod, Nicky Rooney, Judy Garland, and Bobby Driscoll,
Speaker 1: The Doomed Child Star and Disney Kid who acted in
Speaker 1: Treasure Island, Song of the South, and served as the
Speaker 1: model and voice actor for Peter Pan before falling on
Speaker 1: extremely hard times. Do you know the Bobby Driskell story.
Speaker 1: I do, actually, Okay, it's one of the more on
Speaker 1: the nose ones in Hollywood history because of the fact
Speaker 1: that he was the model for Peter Pam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he never grew up. Yeah in a way.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he died at thirty one, but like emotionally,
Speaker 1: he never really found his way out of child stardom.
Speaker 1: He's kind of the archetypical doomed child star. As a
Speaker 1: late teen, I think he pistol whips some guy for
Speaker 1: making rude comments when he was washing his girlfriend's car. Oh,
Speaker 1: he almost went to jail, got out of it. Then
Speaker 1: he became a heroin addict and went to prison. Upon
Speaker 1: his release, he fell in with the Warhol crowd, which
Speaker 1: is interesting, but struggled to find work, or at least
Speaker 1: work that paid. He'd say, I have found that memories
Speaker 1: are not very useful. I eat on a silver platter
Speaker 1: and then dumped into the garbage.
Speaker 2: His end is.
Speaker 1: One of the saddest stories we've ever discussed on the show.
Speaker 2: Per his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: On March thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight, two boys playing in
Speaker 1: a deserted East Village tenement on Tenth Street found Driskell's
Speaker 1: body lying on a cot with two empty beer bottles
Speaker 1: and religious pamphlets scattered on the ground. A post mortem
Speaker 1: examination determined he died from heart failure caused by advanced
Speaker 1: anthrosclerosis his drug use. He had no identification on him,
Speaker 1: and photos shown around the neighborhood yielded no positive id.
Speaker 1: His unclaimed body was buried in an unmarked popper's grave
Speaker 1: in New York City's Potter's Field on Heart Island. Late
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, a full year and a half
Speaker 1: after his death, Driscoll's mother sought the help of officials
Speaker 1: at Disney Studios to contact him for a hoped for
Speaker 1: reunion with his father, who was nearing death. This resulted
Speaker 1: in a fingerprint match at New York City Police Department,
Speaker 1: which located his burial on Heart Island. Although his name
Speaker 1: appears on his father's gravestone at Eternal Hills Memorial Park
Speaker 1: in Oceanside, California, Bobby Duscoll's remains still remain in his
Speaker 1: Pauper's Grave on Heart Island movie Magice. Yeah, that's that's rough.
Speaker 1: That's a rough one. One of the rougher ones in
Speaker 1: this episode. Back to the Juvenile Oscar Bay, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to Pollyanna.
Speaker 2: Now, great, okay, Pollyanna will get us out of us.
Speaker 1: So Juvenile Oscar was last presented in nineteen sixty one
Speaker 1: to Hailey Mills for Pollyanna. In a nice full circle moment.
Speaker 1: Hailey Mills was away at boarding school in England and
Speaker 1: couldn't attend the ceremony, So the last Juvenile Oscar was
Speaker 1: accepted by its first winner, Shirley Temple, who at that
Speaker 1: point was grown up in I think working for the
Speaker 1: un or something, which's like, no, she had like a
Speaker 1: crazy life. She was like an ambassador.
Speaker 2: Oh sure yeah yeah, but just imagining her coming back,
Speaker 2: they're like, do the voice, Yeah, the voice.
Speaker 1: It's like seeing Jerry Matthews who plays Beaver Cleaver now
Speaker 1: it's like his face still looks like the.
Speaker 2: Beaver, even though he's like eighty. It's not it's scary.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 1: Maybe Bobby just came out ahead the youngest person to
Speaker 1: win a competitive Oscar was Tatum O'Neill, who starred alongside
Speaker 1: her father Ryan O'Neill, noted Batterer in nineteen seventy three's
Speaker 1: Paper Moon. Tatum was just ten years old when she
Speaker 1: accepted the Best Supporting Actress Oscar Claude in a tiny tuxedo.
Speaker 1: Speaking of overachievers, to date, there are only six people
Speaker 1: in Oscar history who've won two Oscars by the age
Speaker 1: of thirty. Betty Davis were Dangerous and Jezebel Luis Rainier
Speaker 1: for The Great Zigfield and The Good Earth, Jody I
Speaker 1: Had No Idea, Jody Foster for The Accused and Silence
Speaker 1: of the Lambs, Hilary Swang for Boys Don't Cry a
Speaker 1: Million Dollar Baby, and Billie Eilish and Phineas O'Connell.
Speaker 2: I still think. I don't think. I'm sorry. I know
Speaker 2: best This is going to sound like a hot take,
Speaker 2: but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think best Song is not the same thing. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like a Grammy adjacent Yeah no, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, what is she competing against Meryl Streep?
Speaker 1: Like, No, the best Song seems like a young person's game.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Yes, that was for the theme,
Speaker 1: the Bond theme No Time to Die and what was
Speaker 1: I made for?
Speaker 2: From Barbie? That's a beautiful song, Oh it is?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, taking nothing away from their music.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're over the age of thirty and haven't
Speaker 1: won an Oscar and that's you know, kind of a
Speaker 1: thing you want to happen, all is not lost. Anthony
Speaker 1: Hopkins became the oldest performance Oscar winner in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one at the age of eighty three for his role
Speaker 1: in The Father.
Speaker 2: Yes, what more Academy appropriate move could there be to
Speaker 2: nominate an old guy who was asleep at the time
Speaker 2: that he won, and then making him win over the
Speaker 2: beloved younger black actor who died horribly after completing a
Speaker 2: flurry of projects. He beat Cheswick those Man. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was the Chadwick here Man oh Man, because he'd done
Speaker 2: I think he was up for mal Rainey's but he's
Speaker 2: also done to Five Bloods and something else and it
Speaker 2: was just like again, just like banging out stuff. And
Speaker 2: then because he had stomach cancer. Whoa.
Speaker 1: The record for the oldest Oscar winner had previously been
Speaker 1: held by Christopher Plummer. A Captain von Trapp, who became
Speaker 1: the oldest Oscar winner in twenty twelve at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty two for the ironically named Beginners. And I
Speaker 1: only mentioned him because he still holds the record for
Speaker 1: the oldest performance nomination when he got the nod in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen for All the Money in.
Speaker 2: The World at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Impressive.
Speaker 2: Good for him, Yeah, good for him, I say. I
Speaker 2: like Christopher Plummer. Yeah, what's he done? I mean other
Speaker 2: than the movies. I mean, like he's got no controversies,
Speaker 2: does he?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He used to call the sound of music
Speaker 2: the sound of mucus. He hated it. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know, don't quit the hit well as the weirdness
Speaker 2: of our best Supporting Actor in juvenile categories probably illustrates.
Speaker 2: The Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts and sciences were still
Speaker 2: finding their footing in the early days and generally making
Speaker 2: up the rules as they went along. This included their
Speaker 2: stands on eligibility. For example, when the jazz singer Blew
Speaker 2: Everyone's mind in nineteen twenty seven for being the first
Speaker 2: mainstream talkie, the Academy judges decided it was ineligible for
Speaker 2: the first ever Outstanding Picture honors since the whole sound
Speaker 2: gimmick gave it an unfair advantage over the competition.
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 2: I respect that decision honestly, No, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: if all the other movies are silent, I fine. To
Speaker 2: make it up to Warner Brothers, the studio that made
Speaker 2: The Jazz Singer, The Academy gave them an Extra Special
Speaker 2: Award for trying the hardest Extra Special Award, the first
Speaker 2: Oscars for quote producing The Jazz Singer, the pioneer Outstanding
Speaker 2: Talking Picture, which has revolutionized the industry. It was a
Speaker 2: forerunner of how scared the Academy would be of any
Speaker 2: kind of technology for decades. In nineteen eighty two, Tron
Speaker 2: greenlit by my favorite head of Disney with a head
Speaker 2: injury for college football guy Roger Avery. They disqualified it
Speaker 2: for Best Visual Effects because they decided that the computer
Speaker 2: was cheating. I mean, how do you feel about that? Well,
Speaker 2: if they could only see Yeah, again, I guess I
Speaker 2: get it. Like the idea of the apple, it's like there,
Speaker 2: I get that their basic thing is trying to do
Speaker 2: keep apples from oranges in or or was as they
Speaker 2: were adjusting all this ridiculous stuff like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean maybe it was the AI argument. Like back then
Speaker 1: it was like, wait a minute, but people make things
Speaker 1: with their hands, not with this like thing.
Speaker 2: I guess I could see that, but I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: it just seems really stupid. But what was I expecting
Speaker 2: considering how they did old Charlie talk about Charlie Chaplin.
Speaker 2: I wonder about the first one to actually win. Here's
Speaker 2: that's a great question. Was what was it one of
Speaker 2: the would it have been one of the Star Wars?
Speaker 2: What was the question? First Special Effects Oscar for CGI?
Speaker 2: It would surprise no one that the most awards is
Speaker 2: ILM with fifteen and for them. Okay, so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and say the first one that really relied
Speaker 2: heavily on computer stuff would have been the ABYSS in
Speaker 2: eighty nine because prior to that year, prior to had
Speaker 2: been who framed Roger Rabbit And that was basically as
Speaker 2: we've discussed, like compositing and a lot of other sophisticated
Speaker 2: stuff still but even just like rotoscoping and things. So
Speaker 2: the Abyss is probably the one that broke open the CGI. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because then two years later it was Terminator two. Then
Speaker 2: death becomes her then Jurassic Park, then Forrest Gump, so
Speaker 2: those were all a lot of computer heavy ones. Anyway,
Speaker 2: It's so funny. All the podcasts I've been listening to
Speaker 2: have been doing all their oscar stuff, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: nothing more fun than hearing people run down oscar statistics.
Speaker 2: We are, um, so yeah, man, this Charlie Chaplin story
Speaker 2: is wild. It's Charlie Chaplain, dude. They were like, they
Speaker 2: didn't let him compete for which movie was this? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think it was for a movie called The Circus.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. They wrote him a letter and gave him
Speaker 2: a special gave him a special award.
Speaker 1: They gave two special wards, one to the jazz singer,
Speaker 1: one of Charlie Chaplin at the first Oscars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the judges have unanimously decided that your name should
Speaker 2: be removed from the competitive classes and that a special
Speaker 2: first Award be conferred upon you for writing, acting, and
Speaker 2: directing the film The Circus. The collective accomplishments thus displayed
Speaker 2: placed you in a class by yourself.
Speaker 1: That's a nice thing to say, but is it.
Speaker 2: Because they were worried that he would sweep a writing
Speaker 2: That's interesting? Huh? The bulk of Charlie's work that everyone's
Speaker 2: familiar with and made him a star is in this
Speaker 2: silent era, so you know, a well for him pre Oscar. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Though he was awarded an honorary troph for the first ceremony,
Speaker 2: Chaplain only earned a single competitive Oscar in his lifetime,
Speaker 2: and it took us solid two decades to even see
Speaker 2: the light of day technically. In October nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 2: Chaplain sailed to his native London to promote Limelight, was
Speaker 2: a film he'd again written, directed, scored, and starred in.
Speaker 2: On his return to the United States, he denied a
Speaker 2: re entry visa on orders of the Justice Department, which
Speaker 2: was investigating his alleged communist times. The rumors would prove
Speaker 2: to be totally unfounded shocker, but the US Attorney General
Speaker 2: labeled him quote an unsavory character. Limelight was picketed by
Speaker 2: veterans groups like the American Legion, and the film was
Speaker 2: pulled from theaters soon after your premiere. Further openings across
Speaker 2: the country were canceled since the Academy required films to
Speaker 2: have a public screening in Los Angeles in order to
Speaker 2: be eligible for an Oscar. Limelight was excluded from competition,
Speaker 2: and Chaplain said this was hurt him so much that
Speaker 2: he would never come to the United States again. For
Speaker 2: twenty years, Chaplain stag Truder's word living in Switzerland, and
Speaker 2: then in nineteen seventy two the Academy was like, eh,
Speaker 2: we'll throw you one. Gave him a second honorary Oscar
Speaker 2: for quote, the incalculable effect he has always had in
Speaker 2: making motion pictures the art form of this century. I
Speaker 2: mean they hadn't heard Steely Dan yet, so that's fine.
Speaker 2: Chaplin actually opted to return to Hollywood and received the
Speaker 2: honored person and it was a triumphant homecoming. He received
Speaker 2: a twelve minute standing ovation for just getting on stage.
Speaker 2: It's an Oscar's record. Yeah. Accepting his award, he said,
Speaker 2: words seem so futile, so feeble. I can only say
Speaker 2: thank you for the honor of inviting me here. Like
Speaker 2: the short ones man, they're just class here, you know.
Speaker 2: Joe Peshi, you know, kept it classy with his It
Speaker 2: gets better though. Yes. Limelight was actually given it a
Speaker 2: wide American release that December, and months later the film,
Speaker 2: which was by then twenty years old, earned Chaplin his
Speaker 2: only Oscar in the competitive category for Best Original Dramatic Score,
Speaker 2: and his co writers Raymond Rash and Larry Russell, had
Speaker 2: died decades earlier and were given Foster and the Awards. Wow,
Speaker 2: Bobby mad that's movie magic, American xenophobia, gliding into the
Speaker 2: nostalgia industrial complex and the motion pictured the industry desired
Speaker 2: to filate itself. I mean, it's just all Rich Milange. So,
Speaker 2: as we mentioned earlier, the winners at the first ever
Speaker 2: Oscars were known in advance. However, for the second ceremony
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty, the Academy decided to withhold the names
Speaker 2: of the winners until being announced on stage, in an
Speaker 2: effort to create some drama and suspense. This being showbiz real,
Speaker 2: these are all real Broadway Danny Rose kind of guy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just razzle, dazzle, fossy posse, Foster mondays. However,
Speaker 2: the Academy consented to handing out the list of winners
Speaker 2: to the newspapers on the condition that they agreed to
Speaker 2: a strict embargo. Nothing would be published until eleven PM
Speaker 2: on the night of the Oscars ceremony. This worked for
Speaker 2: a decade, which is like remarkably the better Angels of
Speaker 2: humanity winning out there. Then in nineteen forty, the La
Speaker 2: Times jumped the gun and printed the winners in the
Speaker 2: evening edition of the paper, and therefore everyone going to
Speaker 2: the awards, including Clark Gable and Vivian Lay because this
Speaker 2: was gone with the wind sweep year, knew that that
Speaker 2: was going to happen before they arrived. God, what were
Speaker 2: those vibes, Francis, Yeah, oh my god, because all the
Speaker 2: races would have been already riled up for Haddie McDaniel. Yep,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, bad, bad vibes. And it was
Speaker 2: hell at the place where our k was.
Speaker 1: Assassinated a couple decades later. Terrible fives and pass through down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we go there?
Speaker 1: Tore it down?
Speaker 2: Trust me, I'm very bummed about it. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: So the next year the Academy instituted the top secret
Speaker 2: system that involved sealed envelopes, and by this point the
Speaker 2: oscars had already employed Price Waterhouse in their pre Cooper
Speaker 2: days when they were Price Waterhouse overdrive to help handle
Speaker 2: the vote, to help handle the vote counting so that
Speaker 2: no one could accuse the Academy reading the outcome. And
Speaker 2: this was largely due to an uproar over Betty Davis
Speaker 2: not waiting for her performance in nineteen thirty fives of
Speaker 2: Human Bondage. Still they get a.
Speaker 1: Third party in there to be like, no, we're not
Speaker 1: raking this because we don't hate Betty Davis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Betty Davis had shooters out there. Yeah she did,
Speaker 2: still does. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: What if we did like the gayest most completely out
Speaker 2: of left field thing and just did whatever happened to
Speaker 2: Baby Jane for absolutely zero reason that came up in
Speaker 2: something recently. I think it was a visit of oz One.
Speaker 2: It always comes up naturally, and so Price, Waterhouse, Cooper,
Speaker 2: and Young were given the task of tallying the Academy
Speaker 2: votes and keeping the outcome a secret until showtime. This
Speaker 2: generally worked pretty well until twenty seventeen, when PDBC accountant
Speaker 2: Brian cullinan a good Irish boy, was too busy tweeting
Speaker 2: a picture of Emma Stone, who won Best Actress that night,
Speaker 2: to focus on his lone job of handing the correct
Speaker 2: envelope to Best Picture presenters Faye Dunaway and Warren Batty Man.
Speaker 2: You had one job except yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Wolf.
Speaker 2: This led to the infamous moment where La La Land
Speaker 2: was announced his best picture rather than Moonlight. A source
Speaker 2: told people that cullin in was asked not to tweet
Speaker 2: during the oscarson and that tending to the envelopes quote
Speaker 2: was to be his only focus. That tweet has since
Speaker 2: been deleted and and Coulinon is no longer working at
Speaker 2: Price Waterhouse Coopers and Fire. How many more of those
Speaker 2: are there? Yeah, the category at fire friend of Fire.
Speaker 2: There was yet another cringe worthy Oscars mix up at
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen ceremony that understandably got overshadowed by envelope gate.
Speaker 2: This one involved another sensitive aspect of the show, the
Speaker 2: in memoriam segment. Shamefully, this year they gave they did
Speaker 2: they should have done a whole thing for David.
Speaker 1: Lynch Man that that made me w yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: probably would have been him if it wasn't for the
Speaker 1: gene actmen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, you absolutely know that if
Speaker 2: anything had been planned, they were like, hmmm acts, the
Speaker 2: lynch pull out, the pull out, the gene. They had
Speaker 2: a premontage for him like who is his friend? Morgan?
Speaker 1: I told you my dream piece that I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to do, but I know if I did it, I
Speaker 1: would never work again. Is like a New Yorker thing
Speaker 1: and the title is this is what Happens when you die.
Speaker 1: And it's just like a five thousand word like deep
Speaker 1: dive expose and like what it's like in newsrooms when
Speaker 1: like a major celebrity dies, and just all the gross,
Speaker 1: weird calls that have to be made and decisions and yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. I mean, I hate that stuff,
Speaker 1: but I love that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's why we're not doing it anymore. Ye, but talk
Speaker 2: more about why. Oh for this one. The memorium segment
Speaker 2: at twenty seventeen was so bad. Well, firstly, fans of
Speaker 2: comedian Gary Shandling were miffed that the Academy left him
Speaker 2: out completely. But then an Australian film producer named jan
Speaker 2: Chapman at a bizarre moment, as Sarah Burrella is saying
Speaker 2: a somber rendition of Joni Mitchell's both Sides Now, Chapman
Speaker 2: was horrified to see her own face flash across the
Speaker 2: stream during the montage. The ceremonies organizer had mistakenly paired
Speaker 2: her image with the name of costume designer Janet Patterson,
Speaker 2: who had died the previous October. Chapman, who had actually
Speaker 2: worked with Patterson on the Last Days of Shenu in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two. In nineteen ninety Three's the Piano, told
Speaker 2: Variety that she was devastated by the mistake in the telecast.
Speaker 2: I am alive and well and an active producer, she said.
Speaker 1: My daily affirmation.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be that offended. Jesus tell it back, lady producers.
Speaker 2: The Moonlight La Llaland fiasco wasn't the only time a
Speaker 2: percenter has read the wrong name at the Oscars. During
Speaker 2: the thirty sixth Annual Academy Awards in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 2: Sammy Davis Junior was tasked with presenting the winner for
Speaker 2: Best Scoring of Music. Why was it called that?
Speaker 1: No, I forget they had a lot of weird music
Speaker 1: technicality things for a while.
Speaker 2: He was given an envelope with the winner listed as
Speaker 2: John Addison for the film Tom Jones, which is different.
Speaker 2: I'm just hearing now from this Welsh singer Tom Jones.
Speaker 1: Different.
Speaker 2: Yes, with Albert Finney. He's a real rascal, that's all
Speaker 2: I remember. I'm to understand that this is not a
Speaker 2: biographic biotic The Welsh shak the well sing singer Tom Jones,
Speaker 2: the man not about the man who has Pantsy's thrown
Speaker 2: at him repeatedly. Yes, No, he's got a big voice,
Speaker 2: big big, and he dances. I love his dancing.
Speaker 1: There's a really good version of burning down the House
Speaker 1: with the woman from the Cardigans of Love Full Fame.
Speaker 2: Oh you've sent me that? Yeah, it's great. Did Tom
Speaker 2: Jones everyone in Oscar the good one? Not a good one?
Speaker 2: Or no, I mean Tom Jones. Did Tom Jones parentheses
Speaker 2: the good one ever? Winning on? I don't think so,
Speaker 2: but this one did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, here, get back to the story. We'll come back
Speaker 2: to this. People realize fairly quickly that there was an issue,
Speaker 2: considering the fact that Tom Jones again the movie wasn't
Speaker 2: even nominated for the category. Davis explained the mix up
Speaker 2: on stage and made a bit out of it, donning
Speaker 2: reading glasses when he was handed the correct envelope. The
Speaker 2: category with John Addison was up next, and after reading
Speaker 2: through the nominees, Sammy Davis like a pro joked guess
Speaker 2: who the winner is? That's pretty good. Yeah. Both of
Speaker 2: those incidents, Moonlight and Tom Jones again. I cannot stress
Speaker 2: this enough the movie and not the singer. We're due
Speaker 2: to incorrect envelopes. But an error during the nineteen thirty
Speaker 2: four Oscars was even sillier, with even more horrifying consequences.
Speaker 2: Oh this is bad.
Speaker 1: Don't even don't even joke about this is this is
Speaker 1: sad right here? That this what makes me sad? Well,
Speaker 1: this is cringe. Yeah, okay, yeah is what this is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is really bad. There were only three
Speaker 2: nominees that year for Best Director. Two of them were
Speaker 2: named Frank, Frank Lloyd and Frank Capra. And you see
Speaker 2: it was gone. Yeah. Oscars host Will Rogers of hanging
Speaker 2: around with a horse fame and quotes. Yeah, and being
Speaker 2: way more important to like the generation that wrote all
Speaker 2: the pop culture books that I read growing up than
Speaker 2: he ever was to me or anyone else that is correct.
Speaker 2: Why did I have to know so much about Will
Speaker 2: Rogers growing up?
Speaker 1: Because he was?
Speaker 2: But his words failed him This night she delivered that
Speaker 2: like a papal edict. His words failed him.
Speaker 1: That night.
Speaker 2: He cast his pros before swine, so Will Rogers, famous
Speaker 2: horse officionado. Will Rogers announced the winner by saying, come
Speaker 2: on up and get it. Frank and Frank Capra, that
Speaker 2: huge softy known for directing some of the most saccharine
Speaker 2: movies in the history of the medium, made it almost
Speaker 2: all the way up to the stage before he realized
Speaker 2: that the spotlight was on Frank Lloyd, who was approaching
Speaker 2: the podium from the other side of the room.
Speaker 1: Oh that's bad, but but Will Rogers. He tried to
Speaker 1: save it, and I appreciate what he did here.
Speaker 2: Yes, he tried to call up the third nominee, George Kukor,
Speaker 2: to join the two Francs on stage. In his autobiography,
Speaker 2: Capra elaborated on the incident with the sentiment that you
Speaker 2: would expect it'd be creative. He was just like, I
Speaker 2: promise to address it, and he was like, I'm over it.
Speaker 2: I went to therapy. He called it the longest, saddest,
Speaker 2: most shattering walk in my life, saying I wish I
Speaker 2: could have crawled under the rug like a miserable worm.
Speaker 2: Worms out here catching strays from Frank Capra, prick an
Speaker 2: indispensable part of the ecosystem. What have you done? Certainly
Speaker 2: win an Oscar in nineteen thirty four, I get I
Speaker 2: know he won the next year. All right, I'm doing
Speaker 2: a bit Jesus Christ, won't you let me work? Run tug?
Speaker 2: I know how Anna Hawthaway felt m when I slumped
Speaker 2: in my chair, I felt like one the worm, not
Speaker 2: Ann Hathaway or Bolsh singer Tom Jones.
Speaker 1: All of my friends at the table were crying, he said,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't Tom Jones. Yeah, and then his pants
Speaker 1: fell down in a trombone music Frank Capra Uh Capper
Speaker 1: got his revenge the next year when he picked up
Speaker 1: the best arrest oscar for it happened one night and
Speaker 1: beat Will Rogers to death with it.
Speaker 2: Back to Will Rogers of the horse fame. Uh do
Speaker 2: you think he ever called the horse a racial slur
Speaker 2: for fun? Oh?
Speaker 1: Most definitely, yeah, like assuredly right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The horse's name was Trigger.
Speaker 1: That was Roy Rogers. Different, different.
Speaker 2: What it was in my head. Will Rogers also like tauruses,
Speaker 2: didn't they I'm thinking Roy Rogers, not Will Rogers. Will Rogers, Oh.
Speaker 1: You know, Will Rogers.
Speaker 2: He was like a a folks see was he a
Speaker 2: singing cowboy?
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was singing, but he was
Speaker 1: like a Midwestern like humorist. But he had like like
Speaker 1: a western tinge to him. Okay, he was born a
Speaker 1: citizen of the Cherokee Nation.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know that. No. Oh, he was a
Speaker 2: vaudeville guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him because he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I never met a man I didn't like like,
Speaker 1: he was always very like quotable.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah man. Oh he began his
Speaker 2: show business career as a trick roper. That's cool. In
Speaker 2: Check's notes, South Africa, that's maybe not cool. He went
Speaker 2: to South Africa via Argentina. Will Rogers fascinating life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hous just burned down the pulsates fire. He's long dead though,
Speaker 2: so it's okay, So all this time, he's not the
Speaker 2: cowboy guy. He's a cowboy guv Is that the cowboy guy?
Speaker 2: It was definitely Roy Rogers, who I was thinking, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: do you know what his horse's name was? Getting back
Speaker 2: to this whole event, Soap SuDS?
Speaker 1: Like that sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a statue of Rogers riding his horse Soap SuDS,
Speaker 2: on the campus of Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: How about that? How about that?
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's make this episode you just get
Speaker 2: even louder or longer. I should say, but back to
Speaker 2: will not Roy or Tom Jones. Uh, guy did it
Speaker 2: again in the same ceremony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, he's not a good These are some
Speaker 1: rookie present to Garis.
Speaker 2: They should have gotten Roy Rogers. When he came down
Speaker 2: to award Best Actress trophy, he summoned two of the
Speaker 2: three nominees, Diana Wynard and May robson to the stage.
Speaker 2: Both women assumed that there had been a tie and
Speaker 2: were very excited. Ben Rodgers thanked them for their great
Speaker 2: performances before announcing the real winner was Catherine Hepburn then seated,
Speaker 2: that feels like I'm so I'm that's that's mean girl being.
Speaker 1: On stage when you learn you have lost it's incredible.
Speaker 1: He's like the doctor from Arrested Development.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, yeah, we couldn't save him. No, And
Speaker 2: this was not even the most mortifying gaff in Oscar's history.
Speaker 2: Back in the thirties, an impostor actually went up on
Speaker 2: stage and just simply walked off with an Oscar. That's great,
Speaker 2: and you gotta admire the direct approach. It went down
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty eight when a woman named Alice Brady
Speaker 2: was nominated for Best supporting actress for her role in
Speaker 2: the film in Old Chicago. When the big night arrived,
Speaker 2: she was too ill to attend. When her name was called.
Speaker 2: After she won, an unknown man went up on the
Speaker 2: stage and collected it. Oscar officials assumed he was accepting
Speaker 2: on Brady's behalf, but he was not. The man made
Speaker 2: off with the plaque is supporting actors weren't given a statue,
Speaker 2: as they should never be. The man made off of
Speaker 2: the plat and it's gone forever. He ate it. We
Speaker 2: had it melted down to this day. No one knows
Speaker 2: who the man was or the big whereabouts of the
Speaker 2: black But you you've said, you've found some people who
Speaker 2: think it's a myth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but or at least not misunderstanding. But I choose
Speaker 1: to believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, print the legend as you said, Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Oscars theft, we have to talk about
Speaker 1: the great Oscars heist of y two k in the.
Speaker 2: Year two thousand.
Speaker 1: In the year two thousand, a crate containing fifty five
Speaker 1: Oscar statuettes was stolen from a loading dock in bell California,
Speaker 1: four days before the ceremony. Four days were the Oscars.
Speaker 1: The statuettes go missing. Reportedly, the factory responsible for producing
Speaker 1: the oscars worked around the clock to craft another batch
Speaker 1: in time. Eventually, fifty two of the missing oscars were
Speaker 1: recovered a couple days later near a dumpster behind a
Speaker 1: grocery store in LA's Korea Town. A man named Willie
Speaker 1: Foolgear was back there rummaging, reportedly some boxes to use
Speaker 1: in an upcoming move, when he then stumbled on the
Speaker 1: glittering statuettes. Thank god he was looking for boxes and
Speaker 1: not rummaging around a dumpster behind a supermarket for the
Speaker 1: more obvious reason, because finding a crate of oscars that
Speaker 1: would have just been way too on the nose for
Speaker 1: like commentary on Hollywood Today, it would be, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you said that guy kept three for like him, his
Speaker 1: wife and his kid something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they lost fifty five, only fifty two were recovered.
Speaker 2: I would I would assume I don't know where the
Speaker 2: other three went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that's my guess.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Full Gear told reporters, I've got more oscars than any
Speaker 1: of the movie stars. He was awarded fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: good for him, and also two tickets to the ceremony.
Speaker 1: Investigators believed that the culprits took the oscars by mistake,
Speaker 1: unaware of the crate's contents. But as we mentioned, several
Speaker 1: of these oscars have never been recovered to this day,
Speaker 1: so clearly somebody kept a souvenir ever since the incident.
Speaker 1: The Academy Mandate said Oscar shipments are sent by plane
Speaker 1: at not a loading dock, and accompanied by armed guards. Well,
Speaker 1: since the initial awards banquet in May nineteen twenty nine
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, more than thirty one hundred
Speaker 1: statuettes have been presented.
Speaker 2: Is there a do you think that the security I'm
Speaker 2: guessing the security services like these might be armored truck guys.
Speaker 2: But do you think if you're like the Oscar security guy,
Speaker 2: like everyone else makes fun of you, like are you
Speaker 2: higher or lower than like a CBS security guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, because there's a way it's almost
Speaker 1: like the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier,
Speaker 1: where it's like a ceremonial thing where you get it
Speaker 1: after you get a cush job, after having like seen
Speaker 1: some stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of that's my say. It's kind of
Speaker 2: a kind of kind of golden sunset. That's my that's
Speaker 2: my theory.
Speaker 1: Okay, but Zulander voice, Where did the Oscar statue come from?
Speaker 1: In addition to Uncle Louis b the B stands for
Speaker 1: Bastard Mayor. Another of the Academy's thirty six founders was
Speaker 1: MGM's supervising art director, Cedric Gibbons, called this is true
Speaker 1: Gibbee to his friends. He's worked at MGM since its
Speaker 1: founding in nineteen twenty four and remained there until nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty six, becoming something of a legend in the process.
Speaker 1: During his tenure, he designed or at least oversaw countless
Speaker 1: MGM sets, from the Lobby of nineteen thirty two's Grand
Speaker 1: Hotel to the Emerald City of nineteen thirty nine is
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz to the fantastical settings of Buzzby
Speaker 1: Berkeley's Kaleidoscope in nineteen thirties musicals. As former Academy executive
Speaker 1: director Bruce Davis notes in his excellent twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: history The Academy and the Award, it was Cedric Gibbons
Speaker 1: who was tasked with creating an insignia for the Academy
Speaker 1: just two weeks after its founding, he eventually crafted the
Speaker 1: design we know and love and.
Speaker 2: Lust over sort of well you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like he cove it. Cove it was the word I
Speaker 2: should use, that covet.
Speaker 1: It's a night with the Crusader's sword standing on a
Speaker 1: reel of film, and the reel, you'll notice, contains five spokes,
Speaker 1: signifying the five original branches of the Academy actors, directors, producers,
Speaker 1: technicians and writers.
Speaker 2: Gibbons then hired for.
Speaker 1: Just five hundred dollars a twenty six year old Los
Speaker 1: Angeles sculptor named George Stanley to realize his design in
Speaker 1: three D. The statue was completed in nineteen twenty eight,
Speaker 1: and these copies were cast in bronze plated in gold,
Speaker 1: and a dozen were presented at the first Academy Awards
Speaker 1: ceremony in May nineteen twenty nine. Sadly, Gibbons couldn't make
Speaker 1: it to the actual ceremony, however, And this is really
Speaker 1: interesting here, this, I genuinely think will interest you. A
Speaker 1: fascinating twenty twenty four piece in The Hollywood Reporter by
Speaker 1: Scott Feinberg makes the connection between the Oscar design and
Speaker 1: its resemblance to various statues.
Speaker 2: Of the Egyptian god top Ptah.
Speaker 1: I imagine the p is silent.
Speaker 2: It's the title of a house, culture and album. How
Speaker 2: does she say the I don't know how she said had.
Speaker 2: As Sweinberg notes in his piece, Ta is the god
Speaker 2: of arts, crafts, and trade and has been depicted often
Speaker 2: in gold for thousands of years, is a sleek figure
Speaker 2: standing erect with a staff in front right hand over left.
Speaker 2: Now this is.
Speaker 1: All rampant speculation, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 2: The nineteen twenties were a time when egypt fever was
Speaker 2: gripping the nation because the discovery of King touch Tomb
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty two, one of the few intact pharaoh's
Speaker 2: tombs that hadn't been raided by grave robbers. It was Mummuary,
Speaker 2: Mummuary all year. It was a decade. Yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: The media attention sparked by the discovery led to worldwide
Speaker 1: interest in Egyptology, which influenced all areas of art, fashion,
Speaker 1: and design. In fact, the style that we now call
Speaker 1: Art Deco, which is probably the most dominant design trend
Speaker 1: of the twenties and thirties, with notable examples being Rockefeller
Speaker 1: Center and Radio City Music Hall and the Chrysler building
Speaker 1: in the Empire State Building was derived from Egyptian art.
Speaker 1: The Art Deco tag actually didn't come until decades later.
Speaker 1: Back in the twenties and thirties. It was called the
Speaker 1: Nile style because people recognize that it was derived from
Speaker 1: Egyptian art.
Speaker 2: I guess that's better. I guess it's sillier, but I
Speaker 2: guess that's better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it acknowledges where it came from, and the Hollywood
Speaker 1: Reporter piece Scott Feinberg theorizes, although he admits that the
Speaker 1: Academy has never commented on this, that perhaps the design
Speaker 1: for the Oscar was inspired by Egyptian antiquity. But it
Speaker 1: gets potentially crazier. It's more than just the design. It
Speaker 1: could even potentially be the Academy awards more famous nickname.
Speaker 1: Quoting from Feinberg's piece, But what does any of this
Speaker 1: have to do with the name Oscar. Over the centuries,
Speaker 1: depictions of tah were merged with depictions of two other
Speaker 1: ancient deities, Osirius, a god of resurrection, and Socar, the
Speaker 1: god of the afterlife, resulting in a feuterary god known
Speaker 1: as Ta Socar Osiris Socar alone reads awfully similar to Oscar,
Speaker 1: as does a merger of the names Osiris and Socar. Again,
Speaker 1: this is purely speculation, but Gibbons or anyone else who
Speaker 1: recognized the resemblance between Tad and the Academy Award statuette
Speaker 1: might thereby have arrived.
Speaker 2: At such a nickname.
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting theory about how they Oscar got
Speaker 1: its name, and honestly, it's better than the actual.
Speaker 2: Stories that have made the rounds for decades.
Speaker 1: The most prevalent theory is that Academy librarian and eventual
Speaker 1: executive director Margaret Herrick remarked that the statuette resembled her
Speaker 1: uncle Oscar. I personally think that is an insane thing
Speaker 1: to say, because the statuette has no discernible features whatsoever
Speaker 1: other than that he is naked and vaguely buff, which
Speaker 1: honestly raises all sorts of troubling questions about Margaret Herrick's
Speaker 1: relationship with her uncle ah plus or bloss. The other,
Speaker 1: even less believable story is also vaguely sexual. Betty Davis
Speaker 1: claims she named the Academy Award the Oscar in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty six because the statuette's rear end reminded her of
Speaker 1: her then husband Oscar Nelson.
Speaker 2: Ah, what a pip she was.
Speaker 1: In reality, the term oscars had been in use for
Speaker 1: years before Davis's claim, and she walked it back. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that it was a humble brag about her husband.
Speaker 1: The Hollywood journalist Sidney Skolski has made the most verifiable
Speaker 1: claim for coining the term, since he's believed to be
Speaker 1: the first person to use the term Oscar in the press.
Speaker 1: He started calling the Academy Award an oscar in his
Speaker 1: column cover in Katherine Hepburn's first Best Actress win in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. He said he was tired of writing
Speaker 1: the phrase gold Statuette and thought he would refer to
Speaker 1: an old vaudeville joke that made use of the name Oscar.
Speaker 1: He elaborated on this in his nineteen seventy five memoir
Speaker 1: Don't get Me Wrong, I Love Hollywood. It was my
Speaker 1: first Academy Awards night when I gave the Golden Statuett
Speaker 1: a name. I wasn't trying to make it legiti. The
Speaker 1: snobbery of that particular Academy Awards annoyed me. I wanted
Speaker 1: to make the gold statuette human. It was twelve thirty
Speaker 1: when I finally arrived at the Western Union office on
Speaker 1: will Cox to write and file my story. I listened
Speaker 1: to Academy Industry and acceptance talks in seven point thirty.
Speaker 1: You know how people can rub you the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I'd show them acting so high and mighty about their prize.
Speaker 2: I'd give it a name, a name that would erase
Speaker 2: their phony dignity.
Speaker 1: I needed the magic name fast fast. I remember the
Speaker 1: vaudeville shows. I'd seen the comedians having fun with The
Speaker 1: orchestra leader in the pit would say, will you have
Speaker 1: a cigar?
Speaker 2: Oscar?
Speaker 1: The orchestra leader would reach for it, and the comedians
Speaker 1: would back away, making a comical remark. The audience laughed
Speaker 1: at Oscar. I started hitting the keys. In a few years,
Speaker 1: Oscar was the accepted name. It proved to be the
Speaker 1: magic name. The writing of that was weird, and I'll
Speaker 1: probably have to edit that. The Academy Awards officially adopted
Speaker 1: the nickname Oscar in nineteen thirty nine, and a piece
Speaker 1: in Time magazine that same year credit skull is the originator,
Speaker 1: which I think is a strong piece of circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 1: But then there was also a story that Walt Disney
Speaker 1: referred to his little oscar during his acceptance speech in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four, which was supposedly before Skolsky coined the term.
Speaker 1: I don't know all in all, no one really knows
Speaker 1: where the term oscar came from.
Speaker 2: I'm chalking it up to movie magic. That's disappointing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. I'd hope that there would be a point
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 1: I know, I realized that it was like one of
Speaker 1: those jokes doesn't have a punchline. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of theories. I like the Egyptian theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's at least nerdy. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that. I just heard that guy was just
Speaker 2: a big into egypt Mania that had been gripping egypt fever.
Speaker 1: Yes, that sounds more racist, Yeah does Yeah, especially when
Speaker 1: that's what killed one of the guys who financed the
Speaker 1: King Tut's Tomb expedition, Lord Carnarvin. Yeah he was there,
Speaker 1: he flew out there to Egypt, and then he is
Speaker 1: it guay was different.
Speaker 2: No, got you got like a mosquito bite or something
Speaker 2: and then like cut it shaving and it got infected
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was like some weird death, and that
Speaker 2: was what led to the theory that there was a
Speaker 2: curse on King Tut's doom to any who disturbed it. Cool,
Speaker 2: all right, as you meditate on that, it'll be right
Speaker 2: back with more. Too much information after these messages.
Speaker 1: Well, from ancient Egyptian curses to measurements, that's the tm
Speaker 1: I promise. The Oscar statuette is thirteen point five inches
Speaker 1: tall with a five and a quarter inch base. It
Speaker 1: weighs off eight point eight point five pounds, or about
Speaker 1: the same as a gallon of milk. Each award statue
Speaker 1: costs approximately five hundred dollars to produce manufacture from a
Speaker 1: Britannia metal plated in copper nickel, silver and twenty four
Speaker 1: carret gold. The manufacturing process starts a year in advance
Speaker 1: to ensure nothing goes wrong, and from start to finish
Speaker 1: it takes roughly ten days to make one statuette. Several
Speaker 1: manufacturers have had the honor of making the Oscars over
Speaker 1: the years, but these days they're made about an hour
Speaker 1: and a half outside of New York City at Pollock Talics,
Speaker 1: a fine arts foundry. Then it's sent off to a
Speaker 1: partner in Brooklyn, not far from where I live up
Speaker 1: in green Point called Epner technology that handles the gold plating. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: the oscars were made out of plaster for three years
Speaker 1: during World War Two. During WW two the big one
Speaker 1: due to metal shortges.
Speaker 2: Did they make they didn't make it up? Did they
Speaker 2: send them real ones? Then? Well yeah, so okay.
Speaker 1: So for three different Oscar ceremonies between nineteen forty three
Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, award winners were handed painted plaster and
Speaker 1: then when the war was over all the recipients of
Speaker 1: plaster awards are invited to exchange them for real ones.
Speaker 1: And these plaster ones have gone up for auction occasionally,
Speaker 1: and there's pictures of like a sticker on the bottom
Speaker 1: of the base that says temporary trophy, Please handle carefully.
Speaker 2: This plaster replica of the awards.
Speaker 1: Trophy will be replaced by the golden bronze trophies as
Speaker 1: soon as medals are available. You will receive an official
Speaker 1: letter from the Academy immediately after March fifteenth, which will
Speaker 1: constitute an order for your metal trophy. The Academy regrets
Speaker 1: the wartime restrictions made that make the substitution necessary.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would kind of want to keep both. I would
Speaker 1: want like my real one, but then I would want
Speaker 1: the weird plaster one.
Speaker 2: It was that convincing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hang on one went up at auction a
Speaker 1: few years ago. I mean I almost can't tell the difference.
Speaker 1: It's like a little less shiny. Oh it's not terrible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was expecting some kind of like click paper mache,
Speaker 4: some kind of horrible, you know, vaguely sinister child's art project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to keep it.
Speaker 2: As like a memory of that weird time. I would
Speaker 2: like to keep it, said Betty Davis. Well, how about that?
Speaker 1: And speaking of last minute changes to their oscars, it's
Speaker 1: worth noting that as people have watched the ceremony and
Speaker 1: probably observed, but the statuettes are handed out without their
Speaker 1: engraved name plaque on the oscar's base. Obviously, that would
Speaker 1: make it hard to keep the results a secret. In
Speaker 1: recent years, the stars have made a big show of
Speaker 1: going to the so called Oscar's bar at the Governor's
Speaker 1: Ball upstairs from the theater where the ceremony is taking place.
Speaker 1: The oscar crew wouldn't have time doing drave each oscar
Speaker 1: on the spot so they have all potential winners' names
Speaker 1: engraved and waiting.
Speaker 2: I want loser name plaques. That would be a cool
Speaker 2: thing to collect. Do you think they're out there? Oh,
Speaker 2: I've never seen them, but that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: I love like alternate universe history stuff like I have
Speaker 1: a ticket to the event that JFK was traveling to
Speaker 1: when he was assassinated and then never made it to him.
Speaker 2: Like, I love stuff like that.
Speaker 1: There's a poster for the Titanic's return voyage to England
Speaker 1: that it never made. I just things like that. I
Speaker 1: just find really like eerie and poignant. Yeah. I can
Speaker 1: see that the basis of each statuette are pre drilled
Speaker 1: with holes, so it's simply a matter of screwing on
Speaker 1: the plaque and sending the stars on their way. But
Speaker 1: The Guardian did a really cute article on this in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen called Secrets of an Oscar Engraver. In the piece,
Speaker 1: a man named Alex Yurst is quoted as.
Speaker 2: Saying, we make a bit of a show of it.
Speaker 1: The statues are pre drilled ready for the plaques to
Speaker 1: be fitted, so all we do is show the winner
Speaker 1: of the plaque, check the details. All right, attach it,
Speaker 1: give it a polish, and hand it back.
Speaker 2: The whole thing takes about five minutes, although they cost
Speaker 2: between four and five hundred dollars to make, depending on
Speaker 2: options like what can you add a mustache on rate
Speaker 2: of gold?
Speaker 1: Gold prices?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, short, it's market price. All right? Sorry I
Speaker 2: made fun of you. Sorry, ty, I tried a bit. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get some braro on it if you want.
Speaker 2: Although they cost approximately four to five hundred dollars to make,
Speaker 2: the gold plated statuette is technically only worth one dollar.
Speaker 2: Since venteen fifty one, Oscar winners have been required to
Speaker 2: sign an agreement stating that they cannot sell the award
Speaker 2: without first offering to sell it back to the academy
Speaker 2: for one dollar. Those who refuse are not allowed to
Speaker 2: keep their trophy. This rule also extends to the winners'
Speaker 2: families and estate once they die. For the academy, the
Speaker 2: rule preventing winners from profiting off the sale of their
Speaker 2: award is intended to quote preserve the integrity of the
Speaker 2: Oscar symbol. According to The New York Times, this rule
Speaker 2: was adopted after the errors of Sid Grammont, owner of
Speaker 2: the famous Chinese theater on Hollywood Boulevard placed advertisements offering
Speaker 2: to sell an honorary oscar that Gramman had been awarded.
Speaker 2: We're selling Granddad's oscar. Any takers, god Man, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: pretty great. The Horrified Motion Picture Academy brought it back
Speaker 2: and implemented the no sales stipulation a short time later.
Speaker 2: The oscar itself contains a minder of this contractual fine
Speaker 2: print with a small band around the base that's engraved
Speaker 2: with the phrase the statuette may not be sold or
Speaker 2: transferred other than bequest without first being offered to the Academy.
Speaker 2: That's nuts that there's like an engraved gold band around
Speaker 2: the base that has that fine break. It kind of
Speaker 2: cheapens it. I don't think they can tell me to
Speaker 2: do that. That strikes me as unconstitutional. Eh, their house,
Speaker 2: their rules, it's not it is the Academy awards. But
Speaker 2: like if you just didn't ever think you were going
Speaker 2: to win another award, what would they do like sue you? Oh,
Speaker 2: I see what you mean, Like you sign it and
Speaker 2: then do whatever you want with it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Are they gonna do to me? Send Like Steven Spielberg
Speaker 2: around to film a coming of age boyhood wonder uh
Speaker 2: movie about the fu sims of children and dinosaurs, and
Speaker 2: yet somehow the brutal reality of becoming an adult. Is
Speaker 2: that what he's gonna do? He said, Oh, Marty over
Speaker 2: to be Catholic. Marty would mess you Upah, he's a
Speaker 2: sweet guy. He would guilt, he Marty. I Marty probably
Speaker 2: uses guilt like a cham he's Italian Catholic. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: would just make me feel really bad. This permission doesn't
Speaker 2: apply to oscars given out prior to nineteen fifty one because.
Speaker 1: The rule was made in nineteen fifty one, so they
Speaker 1: couldn't told his grandfather. Yeah, everyone else was grandfathered in.
Speaker 1: Do whatever they wanted with their oscars, as we will,
Speaker 1: as we will. Just well, no, there's a really sad
Speaker 1: story coming up. What if someone won a bunch and
Speaker 1: sold them for a lot of money? Would that be
Speaker 1: a happy story? Generally, you don't want to part with
Speaker 1: your oscar unless you're in a really bad spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you're right. Has it been murdered with
Speaker 2: an oscar?
Speaker 1: I think frank Kaepra killed Bill Rogers. I told you
Speaker 1: he bludged him to death. The next year when he
Speaker 1: I told you I'd be back.
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg paid upwards of half a million dollars each
Speaker 2: for two wards formerly belonging to silver screen icons Clark
Speaker 2: Gable and Betty Davis. The director, who has three oscars
Speaker 2: of his own, donated his purchase as to the Academy.
Speaker 2: The Oscar statuette is the most personal recognition of good
Speaker 2: work our industry can ever bestow, He's told Variety, and
Speaker 2: it strikes me as a sad sign of our times.
Speaker 2: This icon could be confused with commercial treasure. Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: meanwhile treated it as just that. Yes, shelling out one
Speaker 2: point five four million dollars in nineteen ninety nine to
Speaker 2: by producer David o' Salesnik's Oscar for nineteen thirty nine
Speaker 2: is gone with the wind. What do we make of that?
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole race element in there gets really interesting.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. Okay, okay, okay. Following his death a
Speaker 2: decade later, at the age of fifty, the statue has
Speaker 2: reportedly gone missing. The estate does not know where the
Speaker 2: Gone with the Wind statuette is. Jackson attorney Howard Weitzman
Speaker 2: told The Hollywood Reporter in twenty sixteen. We would like
Speaker 2: to have that Oscar because it belongs to Michael's children,
Speaker 2: not David O's Sells Nicks. I'm hopeful it would turn
Speaker 2: up at some point. That's funny. Where is it one
Speaker 2: of the Jackson five? Has it?
Speaker 1: Bubbles made off with it? Bubbles like, has it up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bubbles has done horrible things to Oscar.
Speaker 2: Obviously, most Oscar winners would prefer not to part with
Speaker 2: their prize possession, and those pre nineteen fifty one performers
Speaker 2: who have sold them usually do so to dire circumstances.
Speaker 2: Case in point, Harold Russell, a World War II veteran
Speaker 2: who lost both his hands before being cast in the
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six film The Best Years of Our Lives.
Speaker 2: I got into an argument with a block of T
Speaker 2: and T and lost. He would later quit. Get hooks
Speaker 2: for Hands. That's kind of cool, kind of worth it,
Speaker 2: I mean, not not like really, I'm sure it's tragic,
Speaker 2: but like it's kind of cool that hooks for hands.
Speaker 1: Google him?
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that, Yeah, I know I know about
Speaker 2: this guy. Though not a professional actor, he received the
Speaker 2: role because it closely mirrored his own life story, and
Speaker 2: ultimately it earned him an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor,
Speaker 2: as well as an honorary Award for quote bringing aid
Speaker 2: and comfort to disabled veterans through the medium of motion pictures.
Speaker 2: Russell sold the Best Supporting Actor trophy at auction in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two at the age of seventy eight, reportedly
Speaker 2: to pay for his wife's mounting medical costs. I love
Speaker 2: the Oscar, but I love my wife more, he told
Speaker 2: The New York Times. Although I've had the Oscar longer.
Speaker 2: If I ever get lonely for it, I can watch
Speaker 2: the picture. Award was sold for sixty five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: to an anonymous buyer. A few years after Russell's death
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, Academy executive director Bruce Davis
Speaker 2: claimed that the real story was somewhat less tragic. A
Speaker 2: couple of reporters pinned him down. Davis claimed in The
Speaker 2: Times it came out that his wife wanted to take
Speaker 2: a cruise. He had a new wife who knew he
Speaker 2: had a spare Oscar. Universal Studio had Lou Washerman bought
Speaker 2: it and donated it back to us. Greatest generation. That
Speaker 2: was my on so old boss Lou Wasserman got ran
Speaker 2: ya Russell. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Since two thousand and two, the Oscars have been held
Speaker 1: at the Dolby Theater formerly the Kodak Theater, facility, built
Speaker 1: with the express purpose of serving is a permanent home
Speaker 1: for the Academy Awards ceremonies. Outside on Hollywood Boulevard is
Speaker 1: where the legendary Oscar's Red Carpet is set up. The
Speaker 1: carpet itself runs five hundred feet long and has rolled
Speaker 1: out several days in advance and for days before.
Speaker 2: It's protected by a layer of plastic.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to walk it in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, and honestly, the biggest lesson I learned,
Speaker 1: and this is a pro tip. Apparently a lot of
Speaker 1: stars put duct tape on the soles of their shoes
Speaker 1: because the red carpet is very slippery, huh, and it
Speaker 1: helps with grip. Yeah, someone on the red carpet taught
Speaker 1: me that. Yeah, people do fall a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean that was the Oscars where Jennifer
Speaker 2: Lawrence fell on the way up to receive for Oscar. Oh.
Speaker 2: I met her earlier that night. She was America's streetheart.
Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, I mean, is she still? I don't
Speaker 1: think so no, it's okay, you can't. Yeah, nothing gold
Speaker 1: can stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was LIKEX to Mario Lopez on the carpet because
Speaker 1: I was doing like the questions beforehand, like the red
Speaker 1: carpet questions, and like everybody has.
Speaker 2: Did you ever do red carpet duty?
Speaker 1: When you were at people or Entertainment Weekly.
Speaker 2: I went to the Comedy Central roast of Don Rickles.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, who did you meet? Triumphany and Soil
Speaker 2: comic Dog, so Robert Smiegel, not Conan, and then a
Speaker 2: bunch of different random stand ups who were all doing
Speaker 2: who were all there, But they kept the real like
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp was there, and like Robert de Niro was there,
Speaker 2: Like they kept all the big people away from they
Speaker 2: didn't do the red carpet because it was at the Apollo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they had kept everyone. It was like, you know, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't you. Johnny Depp was like not walking the sidewalk
Speaker 2: outside the wall of the theater for a fucking step and repeat,
Speaker 2: you know. So I did. Yeah, that was fine, It
Speaker 2: was cool. I had a good time. Robert de Niro
Speaker 2: is terrible, like not as a person, but as like
Speaker 2: a yeah, heard that and Marty had a segment and
Speaker 2: it was like watching men drown, just neither of them
Speaker 2: able to have Even Marty with his sort of like
Speaker 2: a vuncular charismo, was like not selling it. So that's
Speaker 2: my red carpet story.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was one of my first red carpets
Speaker 1: and it was the Oscars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one, man. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: was terrified.
Speaker 1: I was alone too, Like I flew out by myself,
Speaker 1: and you know, they gave you this like two by
Speaker 1: three rectangle of the carpet, and I was next to
Speaker 1: Mario Lopez who's with He took pity on me, and
Speaker 1: he was actually like the one he taught me about
Speaker 1: the shoe thing and and a few others. He was
Speaker 1: very sweet because he could kind of tell I was
Speaker 1: I was terrified. Yeah, I mean it's funny. It starts
Speaker 1: so early. It starts at like two thirty in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: So who did you Who did you get to talk to?
Speaker 1: You were people cool?
Speaker 2: Clooney was dating Stacy Keebler at the time, Jennifer Lawrence,
Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway, Jessica chess Stain asking them music related questions
Speaker 2: or just about it, just about everything. I don't remember
Speaker 2: what I when I.
Speaker 1: Asked him, and uh, yeah, those are the big ones.
Speaker 2: That's that stuck out. I think Ben Affleck too, Was
Speaker 2: he drunk? No, that was Argo year. That was the
Speaker 2: Argo year, so he was like he was he.
Speaker 1: Was doing well, yeah, Seth MacFarland because he was hosting
Speaker 1: that year. Yeah it was cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm glad you got to have that. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: it was weird because I was going through a breakup
Speaker 2: at the time, like a week before I went to
Speaker 2: the Oscars, which is not ideal, and I was like
Speaker 2: talking with my producers at VH one, like should we
Speaker 2: make a bit out of this, Like should we do
Speaker 2: like like sat short on the Oscars red carpet and
Speaker 2: ask like George Clooney and Ben Affleck and like Jennifer
Speaker 2: Lawrence for like love advice and rebound advice, and like
Speaker 2: we were all like kind of considering it, and then
Speaker 2: at the end I was like, man, no, I don't
Speaker 2: want to do that. Yeah, yeah, you you would have
Speaker 2: to not blink doing that. Yeah. There would be a
Speaker 2: point at which.
Speaker 1: I was too raw too. It's very Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a weird. That was a part of it was just
Speaker 1: like God, could you have wait until after I had
Speaker 1: this craist moment of my professional life.
Speaker 2: Please? No, no, they never can. Movie magic, movie magic.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, the Cole Kidman was there, Keith Urban,
Speaker 1: and I do remember it.
Speaker 2: Seems like he smells nice Urban. Yeah, I don't remember that,
Speaker 2: and like high end Musk.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I remember Mario Lopez did. I'm
Speaker 1: told that he wears cretiventus for any any any fragheads
Speaker 1: out there, Any fragrance heads, that's what they call themselves. Sure, no, I.
Speaker 2: Told you that. That's my new that's one.
Speaker 1: Of my new interests of the last I know.
Speaker 2: I did know that. But that's a good that's a
Speaker 2: good joke.
Speaker 1: Cragheads. No, it's serious, that's what they call themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was actually speaking. We were talking about prebits earlier.
Speaker 1: I I my my journey in de niche fragrances began
Speaker 1: when I was writing a premature obituary for Quincy Jones.
Speaker 1: And during my research, everyone was like, oh, yeah, musical genius,
Speaker 1: Oh incredible, and he smells really good, and like everyone
Speaker 1: kept talking about how good he smelled, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, Quincy Jones, and you've like done a lot,
Speaker 1: but like the third thing that comes to people's minds
Speaker 1: is how good you smell? Like you must you must
Speaker 1: smell really damn good. And I looked it up and
Speaker 1: it was this brand called Creed and they've been around
Speaker 1: for like three hundred years, and it was this uh
Speaker 1: he apparently wore green Irish tweed, which was also worn
Speaker 1: by Carrie Grant reminded him of his of his upbringing
Speaker 1: in England. Robert Redford, I think wore it two and
Speaker 1: Paul Newman. And then I started looking up like, oh,
Speaker 1: what other like famous people from history?
Speaker 2: Where what are the Beatles wear?
Speaker 1: What Paul McCartney wears girlan vettever from nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: by the way, and uh, And then it just became like, oh,
Speaker 1: what what did like Napoleon wear? Because a lot of
Speaker 1: these brands have been around for hundreds of years? What
Speaker 1: did you know? What did Sean Connery wear? What did
Speaker 1: what did the king wear? What did the queen wear?
Speaker 1: And so I would get like either go to stores
Speaker 1: at like department stores and get you know how they
Speaker 1: sprayed stuff onto yeah, a little tester or sometimes send
Speaker 1: away for a little like two or three D yeah,
Speaker 1: and the cheap and it became like, uh, like like
Speaker 1: scent time travel. It was really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah they say it's the strongest scent tied to memory. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really. It was cool.
Speaker 1: So now I've started going up to the perfume floor
Speaker 1: on Sex Fifth Avenue. It's this huge floor just all
Speaker 1: these different kiosks with different high end brands and go
Speaker 1: with friends and like, oh yeah, this is what they
Speaker 1: wore in the silver screen era of Hollywood. They all
Speaker 1: wore aqua Deparma colonia. Because the costume people still you.
Speaker 2: Give guided tours of the Sax perfume department. I mean
Speaker 2: I do it with friends. Yeah, no, every you should
Speaker 2: charge for that. Are you kidding me? That's that's you
Speaker 2: could be Like I could become a beloved tour guide.
Speaker 2: It was really fun. It was really really fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with the Parma Colonia.
Speaker 1: The the coustom people at the studios would spray the
Speaker 1: tissue paper in the boxes when they would sending like
Speaker 1: gowns and high and tuxedos to their stars, and so
Speaker 1: that began the smell of like silver screen era Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and like David Niven and Ava Gardner and all those
Speaker 1: people carry Grant back in the thirties and forties.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. It was just cool, like
Speaker 2: to activate that.
Speaker 1: Also, you know, we're straight guys and like scent is
Speaker 1: very utilitarian. It's like, oh, something's burning or something smells bad.
Speaker 1: It's like the first time of my life it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a pleasurable thing. It's like an that
Speaker 1: there was a good color or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like opposed to like just going to target
Speaker 2: and getting like punch. Yeah, oh exactly. Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 1: Speaking of new colors and unlocking different senses, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the people who went onto the Oscars Red carpet.
Speaker 1: While tripping on LSD, shall.
Speaker 2: We well, first, I wanted to ask you, oh sure,
Speaker 2: Elvis wore.
Speaker 1: Elvis wore a lot of really cheapy There weren't a
Speaker 1: lot of good options for guys in the fifties and
Speaker 1: the early sixties.
Speaker 2: For all of those ones you just named, well, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: but okay.
Speaker 1: In Tupelo and in Memphis in fifties and sixties, he
Speaker 1: wore a lot of like old spice brute and a
Speaker 1: brand called Canoe I think was another one. Oh yeah
Speaker 1: you Canoe, Oh my god, Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's bad cologne.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's like Grandpa cologne, Like it's like
Speaker 2: not not good cologne. No, any others, No, I actually
Speaker 2: I have a Google dog. Oh, I'm sure you do.
Speaker 2: The only reason your canoe smells like is like what
Speaker 2: I want to say, it's in Hannibal.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There's a line in Hannibal when Larie
Speaker 2: is in the FBI, in the FBI in the van
Speaker 2: the atf ban and they're going to do a raid
Speaker 2: on a drug lord. And it's this line that's like
Speaker 2: when so and so lifted his arms, he demonstrated why
Speaker 2: something a splash of canoe is not the ship same
Speaker 2: as shower a shower or something like that. And So
Speaker 2: I was a kid when I'm boding canoe because I
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, this is what like an FBI
Speaker 2: agent would wear. He realized it's like solove, like aqua velva.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, exactly. Oh yeah, so that's been fun for me.
Speaker 1: Any other uh, any other people you want to know
Speaker 1: what they smell like?
Speaker 2: I might be able. I might have that information, handy
Speaker 2: Miles Davis, I don't know that, No, David Bowie, Oh
Speaker 2: I know Creed Silver Mountain Water, different Creed, different Creed.
Speaker 1: He also wore tom Ford Gray vettevir, which then Iman
Speaker 1: continued to wear after his death to make him feel close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's you made it sad. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know what else you got. Oh yeah, the South Park guys, right,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So speaking of new senses and colors, And we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about some guys who went to the Oscars, will
Speaker 1: tripping on acid when their song Blamed Canada from South
Speaker 1: Park Bigger of Longer, Uncut unexpectedly.
Speaker 2: Earned an Oscar nod.
Speaker 1: In two thousand, the countercultural television icons had a once
Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity to make their unique.
Speaker 2: Mark on Hollywood's Glitzius Night.
Speaker 1: We talked about going in big duck outfits, Trey Parker
Speaker 1: later said, and we thought, if we go in big
Speaker 1: duck costumes, then they have a reason not let us in.
Speaker 1: But if we're wearing what other people wear, then they
Speaker 1: can't really say we can't come in. Technically. The nomination
Speaker 1: for Best Song went to Trey Parker, who co wrote
Speaker 1: Blame Canada with lyricist Mark Shaman. So when Trey Parker
Speaker 1: invited to South Park, partner Matt Stone to be his date.
Speaker 1: Stone initially wanted to wear a dress in post as
Speaker 1: a fictitious European model as Trey Parker's date. The idea
Speaker 1: morphed a bit from there, and ultimately the pair opts
Speaker 1: to both go and drag, with Trey Parker wearing a
Speaker 1: painstakingly recreated replica of the low cut Versace gown that
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez had worn into the two thousand Grammys a
Speaker 1: few weeks earlier, and Matt Stone dawned a dress modeled
Speaker 1: after the pink Ralph Lauren number that Gwyneth Paltrow had Warren.
Speaker 2: To collect her oscar for Shakespeare in Love the year before,
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: They would later say that they regretted not dusting their
Speaker 1: noses with a bit of powdered sugar for an added effect.
Speaker 2: See. I was just about to say, how funny that
Speaker 2: actually is, Like that they went to people and had
Speaker 2: these meticulous recreator and then they always have to push
Speaker 2: it to the one thing that makes it stop. Well,
Speaker 2: they didn't do that though. They didn't do it. I know,
Speaker 2: I know, Matt Stone told The Hollywood Reporter in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Some people were stoked when we showed up at the
Speaker 1: Oscars in those dresses, Michael Kaine being one. Gotta of
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine, oh man, of course, well the British love dress.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't think of that.
Speaker 1: You're so right, Yes, cornerstone of their tradition of comedy.
Speaker 1: But I remember Gloria Estefan was super pissed. Even sadly
Speaker 1: think I included this. He was saying like, yeah, A
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, this is the biggest non
Speaker 1: of our lives. Few so they were stifon.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't know a what she was being
Speaker 2: there and b why she was pissed. That's too funny.
Speaker 1: But Matt Stone and Trey Parker's attire was not the
Speaker 1: most far out thing about their appearance at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: The pair I had wanted to find a way to
Speaker 1: quote go but not go to the ceremony.
Speaker 2: According to the.
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven special Six Days to Air The Making of
Speaker 1: South Park, their solution was to take sugar cubes dast
Speaker 1: with LSD just before showtime. It's so crazy now to
Speaker 1: think about. Trey Parker later admit red carpet reporters naturally
Speaker 1: had a lot of questions, and Matt Stone and Trey
Speaker 1: Parker answered each one by saying, it's a magical night tonight.
Speaker 1: That they responded to any question. How about Their attire
Speaker 1: was just to look off into space, into the middle
Speaker 1: distance and say, it's a magical night tonight. That's a
Speaker 1: good bit. That's a great bit. It's just such a
Speaker 1: magical night tonight.
Speaker 2: I mean, please watch an honor, just to be known
Speaker 2: an honor, just to please watch those clips of this
Speaker 2: on YouTube, and it is great. I just, man, I
Speaker 2: don't remember this happening. No, I don't remember having that
Speaker 2: kind of like Mary prankster attitude on acid, where like
Speaker 2: I would volunteer to be in public.
Speaker 1: That's what they said. That's what I said. Like we
Speaker 1: like had a really hard time getting out of the limo.
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, like on acid, it's.
Speaker 2: Like changing locations is really hard and to go from
Speaker 2: would not be fun.
Speaker 1: No, And they said, like get like going from the
Speaker 1: safety of the limo and the darkness of the limo
Speaker 1: and the container the limo to like every camera in
Speaker 1: the western world the sun and like thousands of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said it was terrible, fine, Oh my god. And
Speaker 1: their come down was made even more harsh when they
Speaker 1: lost the Oscar to Phil Collins and his Tarzan track
Speaker 1: You'll Be in My Heart. When a reporter asked them
Speaker 1: if it was still a magical night after this disappointment,
Speaker 1: Trey Parker replied, it doesn't matter because losing just makes
Speaker 1: it horrible. It's terrible to lose to Phil Collins, especially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very good to see them.
Speaker 2: On the Red carpet is very good. No, no, I
Speaker 2: mean I remember this getting covered a lot. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: I did them, no quarrel. That's fine, that's a while,
Speaker 2: and good that they did that.
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like give any more airtime to
Speaker 1: b York's Swan outfit, which, honestly, I was just.
Speaker 2: About to say, but now you're gonna give b York
Speaker 2: this short in a post Lady Gaga world, siss of you?
Speaker 2: Do you have anything to say about it? I know,
Speaker 2: absolutely not. Okay, it wasn't that the year she was
Speaker 2: nominated for the large One Trier movie like That's crazier
Speaker 2: wearing like a whimsical swan dress to movie that ends
Speaker 2: with you the spoiler alert that ends with your character
Speaker 2: hanging themselves.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I would like to shout out I
Speaker 1: have to say about it. I don't in a post
Speaker 1: lady world, I don't with.
Speaker 2: Bjork. I had no quarrel with Bork.
Speaker 1: I I okay. It's also quiet. Song is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you love that one.
Speaker 1: I do because it's an old fifties song that she did,
Speaker 1: and the video is great. Spike Jones video is wonderful.
Speaker 2: I know. I have no quarrel with Byork.
Speaker 1: She actually remember Tradesman, this bar out by where we
Speaker 1: used to live in in Bushwick.
Speaker 2: I used to DJ there.
Speaker 1: It's just like non descriptive bar and a couple of
Speaker 1: blocks from my apartment. Bjorke just like went there one night.
Speaker 1: It's just so weird. Yeah, it's all over like Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Vegan the next day. Yeah yeah, So okay, enough about
Speaker 1: b York. But I would like to shout out the
Speaker 1: most expensive dress in Oscar's history, which is Jennifer Lawrence's
Speaker 1: Pink Your Mature Gown, which was valued somehow. I don't
Speaker 1: really understand at four million dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, money's not real. True. I guess the paintings, but
Speaker 2: you need to put numbers on anything. That's true. Paint
Speaker 2: things are being sold for one hundred million dollars. I
Speaker 2: guess that's true. Yeah, I mean, come on, what's his name?
Speaker 2: Jeff Kutz?
Speaker 1: Does this like it's not true?
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: I saw him close. I witnessed her fall down in it,
Speaker 1: which I can imagine.
Speaker 2: It was there like diamond zone into it or I
Speaker 2: don't remember, I thought.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I remember being very impressed with
Speaker 1: Jessica chess Stand because she looked like an old school
Speaker 1: forties like Hollywood star.
Speaker 2: I remember just thinking, look like somebody. I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: this is my design. That was like I went to
Speaker 2: prom alongside like she was America's sweetheart. I'm not quite
Speaker 2: sure what you don't remember or understand about that. I
Speaker 2: know seems eminently obvious to me. Did you ever see
Speaker 2: the picture of me and Cluining? No? Do you get
Speaker 2: a selfie with him?
Speaker 1: I got a selfie of me and he's like talking
Speaker 1: to the person next to me.
Speaker 2: Because I was I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be I first of all, I was afraid
Speaker 1: I was gonna get fired if I, like asked for
Speaker 1: us selfie with him. But you know, I've never asked
Speaker 1: for a selfie with a celebrity or with anyone, honestly,
Speaker 1: but certain celebrities know you want it, and they say,
Speaker 1: do you want to get a selfie? And I do
Speaker 1: find that endearing, even though I know that's the best.
Speaker 1: That's Taylor Swift's whole thing. Oh yeah, well she was.
Speaker 1: She was like, do you want a selfie? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I do, Yeah, I really do. And
Speaker 1: then she was like, no, no, we can do better
Speaker 1: than a selfie. Let's do a photo shoot here in
Speaker 1: the breakroom of this office. Oh I remember that, yea, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that was fine. Yeah, that was strange. And now there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of photos on the Internet of me fixing
Speaker 1: a Xerox machine, and there were others too. I only
Speaker 1: got that one. But there's us. She's like, has like
Speaker 1: a fire extinguisher. She's pointing at me, and then we're
Speaker 1: at like a like a snack's machine, and one of
Speaker 1: them where she's like, one of us is standing probably me,
Speaker 1: probably me standing at a garbage can. Most likely me.
Speaker 1: If me or Taylor Swift is standing in a garbage can,
Speaker 1: the person who's standing in the garbage can, it's probably me.
Speaker 2: So good that she was chill, because everything else about
Speaker 2: her I would not say she was chill. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could put that in there.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, or at least had ideas like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh she was playful. Did you see the thing about Taylor?
Speaker 1: Asked Lauren Michaels for something. Michaels responded by saying, I
Speaker 1: don't negotiate with terrorists.
Speaker 2: But for someone who hasn't been funny in a long time.
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Everybody gets won.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that we can keep.
Speaker 1: Speaking of stuff that might not get broadcasts. Now, let's
Speaker 1: get into the broadcast history of the Oscars.
Speaker 2: THEE came to hear Yes.
Speaker 1: The second Oscar ceremony in nineteen thirty was the first
Speaker 1: one to be broadcast by radio, and the first televised
Speaker 1: Oscars didn't occur until twenty three years later in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty three. The first Oscars to be broadcast in color
Speaker 1: took place in April nineteen sixty six, and to heighten
Speaker 1: the impact, art directors went ham on the sound, which
Speaker 1: included forty two fountain spraying water, which I feel compelled
Speaker 1: to mention isn't necessarily enhanced by color. I didn't actually
Speaker 1: watch this maybe they projected lights onto it. The show
Speaker 1: must go on, as we all know, as they show
Speaker 1: business mantra. But there have been three occasions when the
Speaker 1: Oscar ceremony was delayed due to unforeseen circumstances.
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: No, well that because that was in the fall and Oscar.
Speaker 2: Yes, the joke, Thank you, Ted, that was the joke.
Speaker 1: The tenth Academy Awards was postponed a week as a
Speaker 1: result of the Los Angeles flood of nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 1: which killed over one hundred people and destroyed roads, bridges,
Speaker 1: and acres.
Speaker 2: Of farmland throughout the county.
Speaker 1: The five day flood cost upwards of seventy eight million
Speaker 1: dollars worth of damage or one point sixty nine billion
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty three dollars, making one of the costliest
Speaker 1: disasters in the city's history. I bet you that stat
Speaker 1: was written prior to January. The oscars were delayed again
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight. A turbulent time.
Speaker 2: Oh run dun dum dum dum dum d d s
Speaker 2: d shun dump dum.
Speaker 1: Chopper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do the chopping. Yeah, mao did he? Mau What
Speaker 2: is that third time you've done it? No? It's, Uh.
Speaker 2: The only way I know it is from uh.
Speaker 1: It's a deer hunter when when they're at the the thing,
Speaker 1: he says, I.
Speaker 2: Think so, I think so.
Speaker 3: But it's it's also something about an episode of The
Speaker 3: Simpsons where Homer's like or no, it's it's bart like
Speaker 3: beating principal Skinner in a in a steel cage, which
Speaker 3: were in like a bamboo cage.
Speaker 2: Which is, yeah, that's where I saw Mau. Did he Mau?
Speaker 2: You need to find that later?
Speaker 1: Funds that in Well, A lot of jokes for a
Speaker 1: really not funny event, the Oscars, I can modulate tone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. True.
Speaker 1: The Oscars were delayed again in nineteen sixty eight. Following
Speaker 1: the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior. The Academy postponed
Speaker 1: the fortieth annual ceremony, initially scheduled for April eighth, for
Speaker 1: two days so stars like Harry Belafonte, Diane Carroll, Sammy
Speaker 1: Davis Junior, Louis Armstrong, and Marlon Brando could attend King's.
Speaker 2: Funeral in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: One of those things is not like the other man.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how racially horrible that atmosphere must have
Speaker 2: been to like go to that Oscar ceremony after it
Speaker 2: was postponed, with like a bunch of these people who
Speaker 2: were probably like openly celebrating his death. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, John Wayne was zac. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 2: We'll get to John Wayne's Oscar.
Speaker 1: A little bit. Gregory Peck, the Oscar winning actor who
Speaker 1: was then serving as the President of the Academy, opened
Speaker 1: the ceremony on April tenth with a speech acknowledging the tragedy.
Speaker 1: This has been a fateful week in the history of
Speaker 1: our nation, he says, we join with fellow members of
Speaker 1: our profession and men of goodwill everywhere, to pay our
Speaker 1: respects to the memory of doctor Martin Luther King Junior.
Speaker 1: He then observed that two of the five films nominated
Speaker 1: for Best Picture that year, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
Speaker 1: and In the Heat of the Night, both starring Sidney Poitier,
Speaker 1: dealt with the subject of quote understanding between the races.
Speaker 2: The third and most.
Speaker 1: Recent time that the Oscars were postponed was nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: just four hours before the ceremony was due to begin
Speaker 1: on March thirtieth, Four hours earlier in the day, twenty
Speaker 1: five year old John Hinckley Junior attempted to assassinate the
Speaker 1: newly inaugurated President Ronald Reagan outside a hotel in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. Reportedly in an attempt to gain the attention
Speaker 1: of Jodie Foster.
Speaker 2: We all know that story.
Speaker 1: Hinkley had developed a psychotic obsession with the actress after
Speaker 1: seeing her. Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver, in which Robert de
Speaker 1: Niro's character Travis Bickele plus to assassinate a presidential candidate.
Speaker 2: We all know the story.
Speaker 1: Reagan, who began his career as an actor and was
Speaker 1: a former Academy member, himself, had pre recorded a message
Speaker 1: for the Oscar ceremonies opening sequence. The Academy felt it
Speaker 1: wise to wait until the Commander in Chief was confirmed
Speaker 1: to be in stable condition before continuing the ceremony. Reagan
Speaker 1: himself specifically requested that the clip be aired and watched
Speaker 1: the ceremony from his hospital band with a big old
Speaker 1: jar of jelly beans.
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say about all of that. You
Speaker 2: have nothing to say about uh, nothing to say about
Speaker 2: John Hinckley, or nothing to say about Nancy m No.
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say about that. You know, people
Speaker 2: love John Hinckley because he went for the Right President
Speaker 2: show but he failed, And as Donald Trump says, I
Speaker 2: only like winners. Also, like everyone, you know, all these
Speaker 2: internet poisoned losers want to like talk about how hilarious
Speaker 2: it is that John Hickley Junior's still like out there
Speaker 2: been like making dumb country covers because he was the
Speaker 2: one who killed Reagan or tried to kill Reagan, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fine, but he was also like obsessed over a
Speaker 2: twelve year old. Yeah, we kind of skipped that part.
Speaker 2: We do skip that. The guy he shot did like
Speaker 2: live the rest of his life like afflicted by constant
Speaker 2: pain and then died. Oh Brady, So not that he
Speaker 2: was like you know, he was he was in the
Speaker 2: Reagan circle, so he was obviously a piece of shoot
Speaker 2: some way. But uh, you know, anyway, where are we
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Well, now we're going to move on to Oscar presenters.
Speaker 1: Bob Hope holds the record as the most consistent Oscar
Speaker 1: presenter with a truly terrifying nineteen ceremonies between nineteen forty
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight. Bob Hope scares me. There's like
Speaker 1: a real malevolence there.
Speaker 2: I feel like, well, I mean, is it kind of
Speaker 2: the forced cheer under the simmering like hatred eyed stare?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know. I mean, anyone
Speaker 1: who's that close to being Crosby, Well, yeah, you're right
Speaker 1: about that, and Burrell all in, Milton Burrell, Bing Crosby,
Speaker 1: Bob Hope, I just Jack, Benny, all those guys. I
Speaker 1: just feel I have nothing to base this on at all.
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're all bad guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that's pretty I think that's
Speaker 2: pretty safe to assume.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, I'm glad we did this. Yeah, good talk son.
Speaker 1: Woopy Goldberg became the first woman and the first African American.
Speaker 2: To serve as the solo hosts of the show in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: But hosts, you know, as we all know, it is
Speaker 1: a tough job. Sometimes they are called upon to go
Speaker 1: above and beyond the call of duty. Case in point,
Speaker 1: and the nineteen fifty nine Oscars wrapped a full twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Early producers through to co host Jerry Lewis to just
Speaker 1: stretch and fill time. Standing amid presenters and newly minted
Speaker 1: Oscar winners. Lewis announced that they be singing three hundred
Speaker 1: choruses of There's no business like Show Business before watching
Speaker 1: a three Stooges program to quote cheer up the losers.
Speaker 1: He then stole the conductor's baton and led the orchestra
Speaker 1: in song until NBC got tired of his shenanigans and.
Speaker 2: Cut to a sports review show for the rest of
Speaker 2: the time. Kind of great, although I hate trying to
Speaker 2: say what an irritating man?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, But arguably the best impromptu Oscars
Speaker 1: incident curtit nineteen seventy three, when Charlton Heston got a
Speaker 1: flat tire on the way to the ceremony where he
Speaker 1: was due to present, and instead producers grabbed Clint Eastwood out.
Speaker 2: Of the audience to sup in. They were kind of interchanged.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that there's something. Yeah, if you're
Speaker 2: going to pick any two white guys to just do that,
Speaker 2: you know, come on, guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of disastrous presenter moments, we have to talk
Speaker 1: about the opening segment of the nineteen eighty nine Oscars.
Speaker 1: This has gone down in Oscar's history is produced by
Speaker 1: Alan Carr, the ultra flamboyant Hollywood wheeler dealer who'd rocketed
Speaker 1: to the top of showbiz with the success of Greece
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, which he'd produced. He was known
Speaker 1: for his expensive and flashy parties and productions, and so
Speaker 1: he was hired to produce the sixty first Annual Academy.
Speaker 2: Awards in March of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Nine, basically to inject some life into it. The edict
Speaker 1: had been to shift the somewhat rigid ceremony to something
Speaker 1: a little more out there, and boy howdy, that's what
Speaker 1: they got. Beforehand, Carr insisted that the night would be
Speaker 1: quote the antithesis of tacky, and folks, you don't have
Speaker 1: to be a linguistics expert to know that when someone
Speaker 1: insists that something will be the antithesis of tacky, it's
Speaker 1: probably going to be pretty tacky.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was.
Speaker 1: Musical numbers that would attempted.
Speaker 2: The blend old and new and really, yeh, my god,
Speaker 2: of course he did. I mean, this is the bit
Speaker 2: that everyone talks about.
Speaker 1: There's an actress named Eileen Bowman who dressed up as
Speaker 1: snow white and sang a rendition of Proud Mary with
Speaker 1: Rob Lowe that lasted twelve minutes.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of airtime. Yeah, and then like the
Speaker 2: the like underage sex tape had come out right around
Speaker 2: that time, right, Oh, check that. I think it might
Speaker 2: have been mo it around it was right after.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The long, painful performance baffled the audience, and certain
Speaker 1: high profile Hollywood actors Gregory Peck, Paul Newman, and Julie
Speaker 1: Andrews all wrote a letter to the Academy condemning the
Speaker 1: program as quote an embarrassment and adding insult to injury,
Speaker 1: and Disney filed a lawsuit against the Academy for not
Speaker 1: officially licensing snow White. Although the eventually back down with
Speaker 1: a simple apology from the Academy, this number haunted Rob
Speaker 1: Low's career for years, and also Alan Carr, whose career
Speaker 1: never really recovered and he died in the late nineties
Speaker 1: of liver cancer. And now we got to talk about
Speaker 1: people who were banned.
Speaker 2: Did you do you get into Franco and Hathaway? No
Speaker 2: you got something to say about them? Oh? No, I
Speaker 2: people hated them.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was comment worthy because it's one
Speaker 2: of the big other train wreck ones in recent history
Speaker 2: people have talked about. I mean, it was train wreck,
Speaker 2: but it was just like they just weren't great at it.
Speaker 1: It was not like uniquely horrible, and that means it's
Speaker 1: like the David Letterman thing where he introduces Oprah Uma.
Speaker 1: He produces Oprah Winfrey to Uma Thermon. He makes a
Speaker 1: whole bit about like, oh, they have funny names, and
Speaker 1: people were like, he's the worst Oscar host of all time.
Speaker 2: It was just not a great fit, not a great joke.
Speaker 1: But it's not really we don't get into the slap
Speaker 1: on here, the Chris Rocks slap, are we not?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yes, so now we are getting into the section of
Speaker 1: people who have been banned or threatened with banishment from
Speaker 1: the oscars. Will Smith, for the slap, has been banned
Speaker 1: for ten years.
Speaker 2: Although he went back in the building to collect, right
Speaker 2: or did they like I don't actually remember how that
Speaker 2: played out.
Speaker 1: He slapped him and he sat back down and then
Speaker 1: went back up and accepted. Yeah. They it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: after the fact when they were like, oh, we probably
Speaker 1: should have taken a stronger stance on that.
Speaker 2: Your bands for ten years, Yeah, that was a weird year.
Speaker 2: I feel like that didn't count. How so I just
Speaker 2: feel like we just were like it just it was
Speaker 2: a covid Oscars. Yeah, I feel like we just kind
Speaker 2: of decided it was going to be We're just going
Speaker 2: to take a mulligan on that one.
Speaker 1: So he's banned for ten years. Will Smith, Bill Cosby
Speaker 1: and several other felons are banned for life. Understandably, but
Speaker 1: these are not the only folks to get banned from
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards Technically. In nineteen ninety three, the Oscars
Speaker 1: producers did not take kindly to presenters going off script.
Speaker 1: Then couple Susan Saranded and Tim Robbins took a moment
Speaker 1: presenting the award for Best Film Editing to address the
Speaker 1: AIDS crisis in Haiti. Ironically, attendees at the nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: three Oscars were wearing red ribbons for HIV AIDS awareness.
Speaker 1: Then later that night, Richard Gear, presenting Best Art Direction,
Speaker 1: took a stand against the Chinese invasion of Tibet.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot. Gear was all about Tibet.
Speaker 1: All about t Bet. The audience applauded, but Oscar's producer
Speaker 1: Gil Kates was livid. In an LA Times piece published
Speaker 1: soon after the telecast, Kates is quoted as saying does
Speaker 1: anyone care about Richard Gear's comments about China, It's arrogant.
Speaker 1: He went on to address the comments made by Sarandon
Speaker 1: and Robbins. For someone who I invite to present an
Speaker 1: award to use that time to postulate a personal political belief,
Speaker 1: I think it's not only outrageous, it's distasteful and dishonest.
Speaker 2: So shut up and act. In other words, yes, he concluded,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't invite them to my home, and I won't
Speaker 2: invite them to a future show. Ironically, all of these
Speaker 2: speeches are now available on the Oscars YouTube page to
Speaker 2: watch anytime you want. Please please restart our ratings have
Speaker 2: been refall in please watch anything about the Oscars for
Speaker 2: begging you.
Speaker 1: All three Tim Robbins, Susan Surround and Richard Gear were
Speaker 1: reportedly banned from the Oscars for life, but it didn't
Speaker 1: stick for any of the three. Susan Surroundon won Best
Speaker 1: Actress three years later for nineteen ninety five's Dead Man Walking,
Speaker 1: and Tim Robbins scored a Best Supporting Actor win for
Speaker 1: Mistic River in two thousand and four. Richard Gear has
Speaker 1: not won an OSCAR since, but he's yeah, He's attended
Speaker 1: ward shows multiple times since he was supposedly banned, starting
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: When I was there, maybe I saw him. She's so funny.
Speaker 2: He just kind of like snuck back on and everyone's like, Ah, Richard,
Speaker 2: you little scam. It's okay. He talked about this.
Speaker 1: He told the Huffington Posts that quote, it seems if
Speaker 1: you stay around long enough, they forget they banned you.
Speaker 1: But in a twenty seventeen Hollywood Reporter profile, Gear said
Speaker 1: that the Tibet Oscars incident did have long lasting effects
Speaker 1: on his career. He claimed that he'd been denied many
Speaker 1: film roles because his presence in a movie could tank
Speaker 1: its overseas box office because releases in China make a
Speaker 1: lot of money.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's I mean, that's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 2: Sad trombone for Richard Gear and the Gerbils, that no doubt.
Speaker 2: Never mind how many how many Gerbils have died in
Speaker 2: the name of Richard Gear, is that? What's your beef
Speaker 2: with the Gear?
Speaker 1: I hate Richard Gear, Okay, I hate rich.
Speaker 2: And Kevin Costs.
Speaker 1: I still like them, still like them. I hate the
Speaker 1: movies they're in, hate their face, I hate their acting. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: mister tea and the women get out of here, officer
Speaker 1: and a gentleman.
Speaker 2: No pretty woman.
Speaker 1: I've never seen pretty women because I can't get past
Speaker 1: Richard Gerett.
Speaker 2: You lied to our podcast guests.
Speaker 1: In which way?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, I do that a lot. I'm not as nice.
Speaker 1: I'm actually just as mean as you. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: People don't get listeners. Well, eventually, we were one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five episodes in, and people are gonna have
Speaker 1: to understand that I'm just as mean as you.
Speaker 2: That's why we're friends.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't actually work if I was as nice as
Speaker 1: people think I am. Are you or as mean as
Speaker 1: people think you are? You're actually nicer and I'm actually meaner,
Speaker 1: and we meet in the middle. That's how this works.
Speaker 2: I can't believe is all just flowed out of here
Speaker 2: because of Richard Gere. I hate Richarde, Yeah, man, clearly, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's all right. I don't give a shit. What do
Speaker 2: you think about Richard gear I don't think about Richard Gere, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: I don't think about him at all. I mean, I
Speaker 2: he's one step removed from Julia Roberts in that that
Speaker 2: nineties stretch where she was like the most beautiful woman
Speaker 2: in the world, so like, oh, he was a run
Speaker 2: of my bride too. Yeah, I'm not even talking about
Speaker 2: that one. I mean like I'm talking about Mystic River,
Speaker 2: Pretty Woman Era, Missing Pizza. It's is Pizza Mystic Julia
Speaker 2: Roberts in Mystic River. Boy, what a hotty? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't. I'm just he seems so indefensive, like,
Speaker 2: isn't he He's just like a little guy too, He's
Speaker 2: not like, yeah, squirrelly face. He got sidekicked in the
Speaker 2: balls by gas Junior and then like didn't win an
Speaker 2: Oscar for that lusta Junior did? Oh yeah, what was
Speaker 2: it for again? Well, speaking of what Richard Gear does
Speaker 2: when he's naked, let's talk about nudity at the oscars.
Speaker 2: I'm really I feel like a psychologist that just like
Speaker 2: unlocked some kind of hidden trauma or like a new
Speaker 2: insight into you. Like this tends the case into a
Speaker 2: whole new direction. Jordan hates, I really hate Richard Gear.
Speaker 1: I'm sir, We'll get I'm sure somebody's gonna tweet at
Speaker 1: me about now. I'm looking at at his filmography now
Speaker 1: to see if this is oh, he was Looking for Mister.
Speaker 2: Goodbar, which is a good movie. I don't think like yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I don't think about him enough. I'm so
Speaker 2: this is so wild to me that Looking for mis
Speaker 2: Goodbye is a great movie. Uh dance. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: like poised to be his comeback for a second, and
Speaker 2: then we as a society we're like, no, I think
Speaker 2: he's like accurately rated. Yeah, oh yeah, he was in
Speaker 2: the Todd Haynes. I'm not there a Bob Dylan movie
Speaker 2: as Billy the Kid are Abob Dylan. That's actually his section.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not good in it. He doesn't really
Speaker 2: bring anything to that, but like that is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite segments of that film because it's like clearly
Speaker 2: like the basement tapes John Wesley Harding, you know, Pat
Speaker 2: Garrett Billy the Kid version, and it is like this creepy,
Speaker 2: sort of demented like Halloween Town that they Jim James
Speaker 2: of My Morning Jacket and Collexico do a very moving
Speaker 2: version of a completely throwaway basement tape song called Go
Speaker 2: Nakapolco that has a masturbation joke in it. So there's that.
Speaker 1: He's seventy five dance and he looks like hell, Okay,
Speaker 1: he looks that he five.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm softening now that I see that he's
Speaker 2: like old as hell, now that I've seen that I've
Speaker 2: triumphed over him, that the time has.
Speaker 1: Ravaged Richard Gear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I want to see if anything else Wikipedia
Speaker 2: page with Gerbils they scrubbed that. How would Snopes?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's look, folks. Do you want to tell the
Speaker 1: kind folks what we're talking about here with Richard Gear
Speaker 1: and Gerbils?
Speaker 2: No? Uh so, yeah, okay, it's on. It's on. It
Speaker 2: is on Snopes. But the rumor was that Richard Gear
Speaker 2: was once escorted to the hospital where they found alive
Speaker 2: hamster in his nether regions, the larger of the two
Speaker 2: holes available to men.
Speaker 1: There's what my friend Chris Fleming, a comedian friend, we
Speaker 1: used to go when he was just starting when he
Speaker 1: was a teenager.
Speaker 2: We were all teenagers.
Speaker 1: We go to the Boston to these open mic nights
Speaker 1: and it was always the same EMC and we'd see
Speaker 1: the same MC do the same jokes fifty times.
Speaker 2: And he had this.
Speaker 1: Joke and I wish I could get it perfectly, but
Speaker 1: it was something like, yeah, I started taking and take
Speaker 1: a Viagra works okay first, like one or two pills,
Speaker 1: but after that it's really hard to get more than
Speaker 1: one or two pills up in that tiny hole, and
Speaker 1: every time we all just doubled over.
Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on from that.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing I do is when I tell a
Speaker 1: joke that either.
Speaker 2: You don't like or doesn't land, or you just know
Speaker 2: I'm not going to.
Speaker 1: Use, you don't acknowledge it, and you give me something
Speaker 1: really great to cut on, which is nice.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, this is actually interesting. I read about this.
Speaker 2: So Richard Gear and Sylvester still Or in a movie
Speaker 2: called Lords of Flatbush in nineteen seventy four, and they
Speaker 2: really did like each other. They really hate each other,
Speaker 2: and supposedly one day Gear spilled like chicken broth or
Speaker 2: something like chicken soup in Stalone's car and they started
Speaker 2: a fight and Gear was fired and recast. There's no
Speaker 2: evidence of this, but they did share an agent who
Speaker 2: was known to never allow them in a room together.
Speaker 2: And then in the nineties, apparently after Pretty Woman, an
Speaker 2: anonymous prankster flooded fax machines across Hollywood with a fake
Speaker 2: press release from the ASPCA warning about Richard Gear's past
Speaker 2: abuse of Gerbils. I didn't know that was where that
Speaker 2: came from, so well, thank you for that. You know,
Speaker 2: I choose to believe it, not the hamster part, but
Speaker 2: the Sylvester stillone part. Is a small man, after all,
Speaker 2: is incredibly thin skin a self heading small man. Well,
Speaker 2: he's just always been known to be like thin skinned
Speaker 2: and egotistical. Did you see his recent thing we're talking
Speaker 2: about how times got soft? No, he had like a
Speaker 2: like a partictably boomer moment where he was like he
Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, people just got soft, like
Speaker 2: they're not challenged as much these days, talking about like
Speaker 2: soft generations, like life is easy, like throwing participation trophy
Speaker 2: like that kind of boomer. Oh okay, says the guy
Speaker 2: with the fake boxing globes from his not being a
Speaker 2: boxer movies. Uh what were we doing well, speaking of
Speaker 2: things that Richard Gear does naked. Oh yeah, you had
Speaker 2: that great Yeah, you had that great segue.
Speaker 1: For legal reasons, we should say that he absolutely does
Speaker 1: not perform a scene X with Jurbils in the privacy
Speaker 1: of his own home or otherwise, yes, or anywhere else?
Speaker 2: Do you want to keep going with this because of
Speaker 2: how much you hate. You're more alive than I've seen
Speaker 2: you in weeks by your Richard gear, like you've been
Speaker 2: gifted by the muse. Well, most people have nightmares about
Speaker 2: being naked on stage in front of a massive group
Speaker 2: of people. Thirty three year old, Robert Opple or Ople
Speaker 2: Did you ever find that out? I don't.
Speaker 1: Ople feels right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Robert Opele, thirty three years old, streaked across the Hollywood's
Speaker 2: Biggest night stage with Oscar's co host David Niven in
Speaker 2: the middle of welcoming Elizabeth Taylor to the stage present
Speaker 2: the Best Picture Award, and a nude Opple ran behind him.
Speaker 2: I thought he looked like David Crosby. I know me too,
Speaker 2: flashing a smile and a peace sign at the camera,
Speaker 2: and then dashed off again. The streaking fad had swept
Speaker 2: the country that year. Ray Stevens had in fact just
Speaker 2: released the country novelty song The Streak, which hit numbers
Speaker 2: one soon after, and the crowd erupted into laughter and cheers.
Speaker 2: Even the band launched into it a suggestive stripper theme.
Speaker 2: David Niven, of course, a paragone of class and pre
Speaker 2: written jokes quipped, a, isn't a fascinating to think that
Speaker 2: the only laughed bands bound to get in his entire
Speaker 2: life by stripping off is by stripping off and showing
Speaker 2: his shortcoming. When he giggling, Liz Taylor did finally come out,
Speaker 2: she couldn't resist making a crack of her own.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty hard act to follow. That's arguably better
Speaker 1: than the Nivens.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, he gilded the lily too much. Yeah, made
Speaker 2: it too wordy. Afterwards, Oppa was given the chance to
Speaker 2: explain himself to the assembled media. People shouldn't be ashamed
Speaker 2: of being nude in public, he told reporters while standing
Speaker 2: in the winner's row in front of an oversized Oscar statue. Besides,
Speaker 2: it's a hell of a way to launch a career.
Speaker 2: He would later claim that he sneaked past security imposed
Speaker 2: as a journalist to access the backstage area of the
Speaker 2: Dorothy Chandeler pavilion, and it all seems so smooth that
Speaker 2: there were rumors that the stunt had been staged by
Speaker 2: the ceremonies producer Jack Haley Junior, son of Wizard of
Speaker 2: Oz's Tin Man. Why else would a man who just
Speaker 2: trespassed exposed himself on national television and apparently damaged an
Speaker 2: expensive stage curtain in the process, simply allowed to clothe
Speaker 2: himself again and address the press. Yes, it seems very
Speaker 2: offer like, come on. I don't know. This has never proven,
Speaker 2: but some people associated with the oscars did say that
Speaker 2: they saw Niven pre writing his ad lib during dress
Speaker 2: rehearsal before the ceremony, and incredibly for a spontaneous incident
Speaker 2: that was shot so that you never actually saw Opple's
Speaker 2: ople tough feet aftermath, Colon not Richard gears No became
Speaker 2: an Ople became a minor celebrity in the immediate aftermath
Speaker 2: of the incident, and the media clamored to learn more
Speaker 2: about him. Initially, he was a speech writer for Ronald
Speaker 2: Reagan's California gubernatorial campaign, and his politics took a further
Speaker 2: left turn. At the dawn of the seventies. He became
Speaker 2: a radical activist, appearing naked multiple Los Angeles City Council
Speaker 2: meetings to protest the city's ban on nudity at area beaches,
Speaker 2: and would get jailed for at least one of these.
Speaker 2: Ople was openly bisectional. Ople was openly bisexual and became
Speaker 2: active in the queer counterculture in the seventies, socializing with
Speaker 2: figures like John Waters and Divine, and even working as
Speaker 2: a part time photographer for gay liberation outlet The Advocate.
Speaker 2: Although he never explained his precise motives for his Oscar streak,
Speaker 2: he admitted that it was a great way to jumpstart
Speaker 2: his career, and that is exactly what happened. For a
Speaker 2: brief time, he was a guest on The Mike Douglas Show,
Speaker 2: where he announced his campaign for president with slogan's like
Speaker 2: nothing to hide and taking aim at Richard Nixon, who
Speaker 2: was then mired in the Watergate scandal. Not just another
Speaker 2: crooked dick. That's good, that's good. Yeah. Hollywood producer Alan Carr,
Speaker 2: the aforementioned man who was blackbald for the worst Oscars ever,
Speaker 2: and also you know producer of Greece. He hired Ople
Speaker 2: to streak their party for Russian dancer Rudolph nurriyev here analysis.
Speaker 2: I mean, this would have.
Speaker 1: Been the height of the Studio fifty four era, and
Speaker 1: I known Area was a mainstay there, so it kind
Speaker 1: of it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: Moved to San Francisco in nineteen seventy eight, where he
Speaker 2: opened Faye Way Studios, the first openly gay art gallery
Speaker 2: in the country. He became one of the first galleries
Speaker 2: to display work by photographers like Robert Maplethorpe and artist
Speaker 2: of Tom of Finland and Opo was hosting friends at
Speaker 2: Feiwa on July seventh, nineteen seventy nine, when two burglars
Speaker 2: stormed the studio seeking money and drugs. A scuffle ensued
Speaker 2: and Ople was shot in the head at close range.
Speaker 2: He was pronounced dead later that night at the age
Speaker 2: of thirty nine. The assailants, identified as Maurice Keenan and
Speaker 2: Robert Kelly, made off with five dollars and a camera.
Speaker 2: They were arrested on July tenth at San Francisco International
Speaker 2: while apparently trying to escape to Miami. Thirty years later,
Speaker 2: Ople's nephew, Robert Opple the Elder, had dropped one P
Speaker 2: from his name to protect his family, produced the documentary
Speaker 2: Uncle Bob, which explored the life and work of his
Speaker 2: infamous relative. It's actually the original plot of What About Bob?
Speaker 2: I gotta watch that movie? Is that? Hold up? I
Speaker 2: can't imagine it does? Oh it does, it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so, what's the word Frisian free zone
Speaker 1: of insanity.
Speaker 2: I mean, because I mean drive.
Speaker 1: I mean they are both clearly in real life insane people,
Speaker 1: and they both clearly hate each other in real life.
Speaker 1: So that keeps it crackling good. Yeah, And while we're
Speaker 1: talking about the Streaker, we have to talk about the
Speaker 1: other most infamous Oscar surprise guests other than Will Smith.
Speaker 1: One of the most iconic roles in cinema history also
Speaker 1: gave way to one of the most iconic moments in
Speaker 1: the history of the Oscars. When Marlon Brando went his
Speaker 1: second Oscar in nineteen seventy three for his performance as
Speaker 1: Don Vito Corleone and the Godfather. He wasn't there to
Speaker 1: receive it in his place. He'd sent Sasheen little Feather,
Speaker 1: an Apache Native American activist and the president of the
Speaker 1: National Native American Affirmative Image Committee, to reject the award
Speaker 1: on his behalf. When Brando's name was announced, Little Feather
Speaker 1: took the stage in a buckskin dress and moccasins. Although
Speaker 1: Brando had given her a fifteen page speech to read,
Speaker 1: she was forced to improvise due to the sixty second
Speaker 1: time limit that had been disclosed the minutes before the
Speaker 1: award presentation. I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, she told
Speaker 1: the stunned crowd, and he asked me to tell you
Speaker 1: that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award,
Speaker 1: and the reasons for this being are the treatment of
Speaker 1: American Indians today by the film industry and on television
Speaker 1: and movie reruns, and also with recent happenings.
Speaker 2: It wounded Knee.
Speaker 1: I beg at this time that I have not intruded
Speaker 1: upon this evening, and that we will in the future,
Speaker 1: our hearts and our understandings will meet with love and generosity.
Speaker 2: He wasn't wrong, no.
Speaker 1: But the moment drew a mixed response from the audience.
Speaker 1: Some cheered, other's booed, and many were simply baffled. It
Speaker 1: confused Roger Moore, who attempted to present the award, ended
Speaker 1: up simply taking it home with him, and it was
Speaker 1: later it was later collected by Academy officials who were
Speaker 1: disp edged to his house. So she Little Feather would
Speaker 1: later claim that and enraged John Wayne, another presenter that night,
Speaker 1: tried to rush the stage and had to be restrained
Speaker 1: by six men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sure believe that. Wow. Yeah, I absolutely believe that.
Speaker 1: Backstage she was reportedly mocked with faux Native American chants
Speaker 1: and tomahawk chop gestures.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and.
Speaker 1: Was actually even threatened with the rest. So the naked
Speaker 1: guy fine, but this woman who spoke very eloquently about
Speaker 1: the plight of the disenfranchised people whose country we stole
Speaker 1: threatened with the rest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the guy who was in prison for wounded kneed,
Speaker 2: Leonard Peltier, just got his sentence commuted finally.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: In ninety ninety, Little Feather spoke to People magazine about
Speaker 1: the fallout she faced in response to her OSCARS moment.
Speaker 1: She said, I went up there thinking I could make
Speaker 1: a difference. I was very naive. I told people about oppression.
Speaker 1: They said, you're ruining our evening. Little Feather died in
Speaker 1: October twenty twenty two at the age of seventy five,
Speaker 1: weeks after the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
Speaker 1: publicly apologized for her treatment at the ceremony nearly fifty
Speaker 1: years earlier. The abuse you endured because of the statement
Speaker 1: was unwarranted and unjustified, wrote then Academy president David Rubin.
Speaker 1: The emotional burden you have lived through, and the cost
Speaker 1: of your own career in our industry is irreparable. For
Speaker 1: too long, the courage you showed has been unacknowledged. For this,
Speaker 1: we offer both our deepest apologies and our sincere admiration,
Speaker 1: he said, lyingly. But there's also some story out there
Speaker 1: which you can google yourselves, that her family after she died, insisted.
Speaker 2: That she stop being referred to as Native American. We
Speaker 2: just wasn't Native American at all. Yeah, in many ways,
Speaker 2: she walked so that Buffy Saint Marie could run. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. John Wayne got so furious ever, people,
Speaker 2: It's like he felt protective over of America, of America's
Speaker 2: legacy of racial bad Yes. Yeah, there's so many stories
Speaker 2: about him flying off the handle for people being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but how do you feel about killing all those engines
Speaker 2: in your movies? And he's like, I was proud to
Speaker 2: do it. Yep. What a piece of shit he was? Yep. Okay,
Speaker 2: moving on.
Speaker 1: But Marlon Branda was not the first person to refuse
Speaker 1: an Academy award. Dudley Nicholas rejected his Best Adapted Screenplay
Speaker 1: award in nineteen thirty five for the informer due to
Speaker 1: an ongoing Screenwriter's Guild strike. Some things never change. In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, George C. Scott responded to his Best
Speaker 1: Actor nomination for Patent by informing the Academy outright that
Speaker 1: he would not be attending the ceremony, dismissing it as
Speaker 1: quote a two hour meat parade. Hell Yes, Hollywood inside
Speaker 1: assumed that the rebuff would tank his chances during Academy voting,
Speaker 1: but he ultimately won.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Presenter Goldie Hawn exclaimed, oh my god when she saw
Speaker 1: his name in the envelope, that's oh man. The award
Speaker 1: was accepted by the film's producer, But I don't think
Speaker 1: George Scott ever actually took it.
Speaker 2: Good for him. I thought you'd like that. He was
Speaker 2: probably hammered. And then I woke up and was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta stick with this. Now we're going to take
Speaker 2: a quick break, but we'll be right back with more.
Speaker 2: Too much information in just a moment.
Speaker 1: So now we got to talk about acceptance speeches after
Speaker 1: last night's show. This gets a little weird because, by
Speaker 1: my research, as cited in places like The Independent, the
Speaker 1: longest acceptance speech in Oscar's history was given by actress
Speaker 1: Greer Garson, who went on by again. My research shows
Speaker 1: me over seven minutes after being presented with the Best
Speaker 1: Actress statuette for performance in nineteen forty two's Missus Miniver.
Speaker 1: It's believed that this incident led to the Academy instituting
Speaker 1: time limits for speeches. However, I'm seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: headlines today that Adrian Brody's speech last night, that the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Oscars broke the record for the longest speech,
Speaker 1: and places like Huffington Post are citing geers speech from
Speaker 1: the forties as clocking in it five minutes and thirty
Speaker 1: seconds instead of seven which I've been seeing elsewhere, which
Speaker 1: is now beaten out by Adrian Brody's speech last night,
Speaker 1: which was five minutes in forty seconds.
Speaker 2: It was interminable. Yes, yes, I felt, I mean, I
Speaker 2: never had any special affinity with him, but I was
Speaker 2: just like, wow, you really not a lot going on
Speaker 2: under that hood. Huh No, Given the Greer's speech occurred
Speaker 2: before TV broadcasts, I'm having a hard time tracking it
Speaker 2: down and actually timing it. So, yeah, mileage may vary.
Speaker 1: But then for one of the shortest speeches, we go
Speaker 1: to noted short guy Joe Peshi friend of the show,
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Yes, friend of the pod. He
Speaker 1: said six words upon receiving a statuette for Best Supporting
Speaker 1: Actor in Goodfellas, it was my privilege. Thank you, classy.
Speaker 1: But the record for the shortest Oscar speech in a he's.
Speaker 2: Written songs with less fewer words than that. That's true.
Speaker 2: He is a talented singer songwriter.
Speaker 1: But the record for the shortest Oscar speech in a
Speaker 1: performance category is actually tied between William Holden, who was
Speaker 1: also probably drunk, and Alfred Hitchcock, who both simply said
Speaker 1: thank you and walked off. Although I think hitch got
Speaker 1: an Honorary Irving Thalberg Award in nineteen sixty eight, so
Speaker 1: he actually had time to prep a speech because he
Speaker 1: knew he was getting it, and he's still opted not to,
Speaker 1: probably because he was pissed because he'd gotten six nominations
Speaker 1: in the past for Best Director and never won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little like the Marty one, where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, for finally they give it to him and
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, yes, I'm begrudgingly happy.
Speaker 1: Oh you need to do this. Anecdote from one of
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's finest.
Speaker 2: Uh okay, it's.
Speaker 1: A tough old man from Pennsylvania. Come on, this, says
Speaker 1: alex Igo, written all over it. Others have been more
Speaker 1: creative with their moment in the spotlight over the years.
Speaker 1: When Louise Fletcher won the Best Supporting Actress statue for
Speaker 1: her role as Nurse Ratchet and One Flew Over the
Speaker 1: Cuckoo's Nest in nineteen seventy six, she gave part of
Speaker 1: her speech in sign language so she could address her
Speaker 1: deaf parents watching at home in Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 2: Fuck. That's touching, Yeah it is. It's like a huge
Speaker 2: disabilities visibility moment. I don't think I knew that. I
Speaker 2: want to say thank you for teaching me to have
Speaker 2: a dream. She signed, you are seeing my dream come true,
Speaker 2: and then she went and started an Exorcist two oh.
Speaker 2: But Jack Palance got a even more physical during his
Speaker 2: speech the blood movie. Tough Guy may have been seventy
Speaker 2: three years old when he won his Best Supporting Actor
Speaker 2: Oscar for his role as gruff cowboy Curly Washburn in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one City Slickers, But he's eager to demonstrate
Speaker 2: his physical fitness for the audience kind of like an
Speaker 2: RFK moment. Right, we're like a weird old guy doing
Speaker 2: push ups. Yeah? Probably was he pretty red? I imagine No,
Speaker 2: he actually looked kind of deathly pale all to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, well, either way, he was perhaps inspired
Speaker 2: by his City Slickers co star Billy Crystal, who was
Speaker 2: hosting that year, and immediately after arriving on stage, Palan's
Speaker 2: quoted one of the more colorful lines from the movie,
Speaker 2: saying that he could crap bigger than the diminutive Crystal.
Speaker 2: Then he launched into a story about how the insurance
Speaker 2: agents at the studio worried whether he was healthy enough
Speaker 2: to act in such a rigorous production at his age.
Speaker 2: Palence claimed that he hallayed their fears by performing a
Speaker 2: series of one armed push ups, which he then demonstrated
Speaker 2: on stage amid loud cheers from the crowd. Your thoughts,
Speaker 2: you seem distressed. You know it's a meat parade, Sure is,
Speaker 2: Geersey Scott's. Didn't Jack Palance do other weird shit like
Speaker 2: he like he like towed like boats with his teeth
Speaker 2: or something. He was like a real like Johnny b
Speaker 2: fitness or something. Right, I think it's Jack Laine. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is different, guy. I did the Rogers Will Rogers thing. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm sundowning. Uh okay, we can, we can finish tomorrow. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I mean in my life. Oh I'm it's where the
Speaker 2: sun is setting. Uh. The moment became a running gag
Speaker 2: throughout the remainder of the telecast, with Billy Crystal offering
Speaker 2: comedic updates that Palance was backstage on the StairMaster bungee,
Speaker 2: jumping off the Hollywood Sign or preparing for spaceflight, according
Speaker 2: to Crystal's memoir, But when the two co stars met
Speaker 2: up at the after party, the newfound Oscar winner placed
Speaker 2: the statuette on Crystal's shoulder before chuckling Billy Crystal, who
Speaker 2: thought it would be you. That's great. Uh. Crystal accepted
Speaker 2: the moment his expression of attitude from Palans for co
Speaker 2: writing the film City Slickers and fighting to cast him,
Speaker 2: thus helping him take home the Academy Award after two
Speaker 2: prior nominations forty years earlier. It was his really funny
Speaker 2: way of staying thank you to a little New York
Speaker 2: jewey guy who got on the Oscar, Christal recalled during
Speaker 2: an appearance on inside the actors' studio. The pair reteamed
Speaker 2: at the Academy Awards the following year for the broadcast
Speaker 2: introductory sketch, which featured Palins dragging a giant oscar on
Speaker 2: stage with Crystal again the host riding it. It was
Speaker 2: very cute. Not a great segue there, no that was
Speaker 2: not moving from vanity to another sin of the flesh.
Speaker 2: When Tom Hanks accepted his Oscar for playing no segue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Hanks, There's no segue for this part. When
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks accepted his Oscar for playing a gay lawyer
Speaker 1: dying of AIDS in nineteen ninety three's Philadelphia, he took
Speaker 1: a moment during his acceptance speech to thank his former
Speaker 1: high school drama teacher, Roleigh Farnsworth, referring to him as
Speaker 1: one of the finest gay Americans. The tribute had the
Speaker 1: unintended side effect of launching Farnsworth into the media spotlight,
Speaker 1: with headlines like outed at the Oscars. In truth, Hanks
Speaker 1: had called Farnsworth three days before the ceremony and asked
Speaker 1: for permission to disclose the sexuality in the speech. The
Speaker 1: pair hadn't spoken since Hanks had graduated from Skyline High
Speaker 1: School in Oakland, California, in nineteen seventy four. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll remember me, Farnsworth, who was then sixty nine,
Speaker 1: nice recalled Tom Hanks, saying, but I'm an old student
Speaker 1: of yours. I've got a ticket to the Academy Awards,
Speaker 1: and if I win, I would like to use your
Speaker 1: name in regard to the content of Philadelphia. Farnsworth, who'd
Speaker 1: been private about his sexuality during his thirty year teaching career,
Speaker 1: said he would be thrilled. I thought, I've been retired
Speaker 1: for twelve years. What harm could it do, he told
Speaker 1: People magazine at the time. While many were mistakenly aghast
Speaker 1: on Farnsworth's behalf, the man himself was deeply moved by
Speaker 1: Hanks's speech. I didn't know exactly what he was going
Speaker 1: to say, he admitted, but it was just overwhelming. The
Speaker 1: experience motivated Farnsworth to join an organization of gay teachers,
Speaker 1: and later that year he served as grand marshall in
Speaker 1: an Atlanta parade for children with HIV. But another outcome
Speaker 1: of Hanks's speech was that it inspired a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, this is so funny. I remember as
Speaker 2: a kid this movie coming out, and like reading an
Speaker 2: Entertainment Weekly blurb about it and being very like confused
Speaker 2: as a child to what the circumstances of this were.
Speaker 1: Yes, the confusion about whether or not Farnsworth had been
Speaker 1: outed by Tom Hanks during his acceptance speech gave screenwriter
Speaker 1: Paul Rudnick the idea for In and Out, a movie
Speaker 1: about a closeted high school teacher whose secret is invertently
Speaker 1: revealed during a former student's acceptance speech at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: As Turner Classic movie host Dave carg observed to The
Speaker 1: New York Times in twenty nineteen, it's safe to say
Speaker 1: it's the only Oscar speech in history to inspire another movie.
Speaker 2: That's a good movie. Yet yet that's true.
Speaker 1: Ah, some Oscar acceptance speech by the numbers.
Speaker 2: This is great. This is a late edition of this episode.
Speaker 1: There's an amazing blog called stephenfollows dot com which broke
Speaker 1: down Oscar speeches from nineteen thirty nine to twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: and his stats are pretty hilarious. According to his work,
Speaker 1: screenwriters have the best vocabulary, which makes sense since their
Speaker 1: speeches on average contained upwards of three hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five words, whereas sound mixers have the least, with approximately
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five words.
Speaker 2: On average.
Speaker 1: The average Oscar speech thanks around nine people. Actress's name
Speaker 1: checked the greatest number of people, with an average of
Speaker 1: thirteen point eight per speech, because women are just better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I was going to mean they talk so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. It'd be shopping.
Speaker 1: The record for the most thanked people during an Oscar's
Speaker 1: acceptance speech went down.
Speaker 2: What parents, No, who, manager?
Speaker 1: No, let me the account, Let me tell you the
Speaker 1: stat You're misunderstanding my stat will you?
Speaker 2: I will not you? Was Richard. Here's last mistake.
Speaker 1: You are grossly misunderstanding the stat I am trying to share.
Speaker 1: It's my biggest pet peeve is when people misunderstand the
Speaker 1: stat I am trying to share. The record for the
Speaker 1: most people thanked during a single acceptance speech went down
Speaker 1: on producers John Landau and James Cameron accepted the Oscar
Speaker 1: for Best Picture for Titanic in nineteen ninety eight. John
Speaker 1: Landau spoke first, thanking fifty four people by name in
Speaker 1: sixty six seconds.
Speaker 2: Which is impressive that it just as a sheer verbal mechanics.
Speaker 2: That's good for him. End of radio ad with the
Speaker 2: like this o you know, like.
Speaker 1: Side effects for medication ads skill level.
Speaker 2: That's Southern auctioneer level words. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: He was then followed by fellow producer James Cameron, who
Speaker 1: thanked nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was the King of the World moment, right, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but I mean in his defense he was he didn't
Speaker 2: note that John had thanked everybody, and he asked for
Speaker 2: a few seconds of silence and remembrance of the fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred men, women and children who died in connection with
Speaker 2: the Titanic, the ship, not the shoot. James Cameron only
Speaker 2: killed maybe fifteen people for legal reasons. Because I still
Speaker 2: want to write a book about the making of the
Speaker 2: Titanic movie. I told you about that, right.
Speaker 1: I pitched it to my book ye, to your agent,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I don't know if it has
Speaker 1: the same mass appeal as some of my other projects.
Speaker 1: Like I just I just did it. I just sold
Speaker 1: an oral history on the Big Bang theory. And I
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is Titanic. This is up
Speaker 1: there with like the Wizard of Oz and the God thought.
Speaker 2: It sounds really dumb. It's a dumb thing to say, Yes,
Speaker 2: yes it was.
Speaker 1: Uh here, this is an interesting fact, speaking of being
Speaker 1: ungrateful to people who support them, the instance of people
Speaker 1: thanking their partners has decreased by ten percent in the
Speaker 1: last decade, which I find interesting. I blame COVID honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to thank everyone on
Speaker 2: poly cool with these younger actors, you know.
Speaker 1: And let's get a bummer stat out of the way.
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein is the second most commonly thanked living person
Speaker 1: in Oscar's history.
Speaker 2: Boy, yeah, people, Hollywood was really propped up by him
Speaker 2: for a very long time.
Speaker 1: But Spielberg is the most thanked living person. A lot
Speaker 1: of that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about some winners. We
Speaker 1: love winners on this show, Heigel.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. We do love winners, and especially when
Speaker 2: they're sore winners. Yes. One of the bitchest acceptance speeches
Speaker 2: ever given was by a songwriter, composer Randy Newman. To
Speaker 2: no one's surprise, Who've been nominated fifteen times before he
Speaker 2: finally won for his original song If I Didn't Have
Speaker 2: You from two thousand and one. In his speech, he
Speaker 2: thanked the music branch of the cat to me for
Speaker 2: quote giving me so many chances to be humiliated. That's
Speaker 2: I mean, his family has the most oscars in history though. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's why he was so bitters because his like Thomas
Speaker 2: and his like uncle had both already scooped up multiple
Speaker 2: Oscars by this point. But they were like that, Randy, No,
Speaker 2: we all like him. Paul Newman wasn't even in the
Speaker 2: building when he won his first competitive Oscar for Best
Speaker 2: Actor in the Color of Money. He had previously said,
Speaker 2: I've been there six times and lost. Maybe if I
Speaker 2: stay away, I'll win. Love Paul, Yeah, my second favorite, Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's probably might have been a little toasted that night,
Speaker 2: just geting, getting drunk on bud, just being like, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Barton Scorsese had been nominated seven times when he finally
Speaker 2: won for the Depotted in two thousand and seven. The
Speaker 2: Academy must have let the word out early, because he
Speaker 2: was presented for the honor by his old seventies New
Speaker 2: Hollywood raging bulls. You know those guys, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas,
Speaker 2: and Francis Ford Coppola. They didn't invite John Carpenter. They
Speaker 2: never do.
Speaker 1: It's a very cute moment.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I assumed when I saw them all up there,
Speaker 1: and like everyone knew, Oh, it's got to be going
Speaker 1: to Marty, and I assumed like that was one moment
Speaker 1: when they kind of let the secret out just so
Speaker 1: they could get everybody there. But then last night they
Speaker 1: had Mick Jagger on hand and Elton John was nominated,
Speaker 1: and it almost seemed like, oh, they've got Mick Jagger
Speaker 1: to give it to Elton, and then it went to
Speaker 1: some I forget who it went to, and Mix seemed
Speaker 1: like visibly disappointed, and so I'm wondering maybe that was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: everyone just assumes it's going to go to Elton, let's
Speaker 1: get mixed. Maybe in this what if all three of
Speaker 1: those guys were up there and it went to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Giamo del Toro or.
Speaker 2: Something, then that would have been funny in the audience.
Speaker 1: Lowers's head, dude, Giermo.
Speaker 2: Do Toro fish movie. Oh.
Speaker 1: Another really cute on stage Oscar's moment is Muhammad Ali
Speaker 1: comes out to surprise Syvester Stallone when he was presenting
Speaker 1: an award during like the Rocky Year, and they engage
Speaker 1: in like a brief, good natured sparring match on stage,
Speaker 1: as Ali jokingly accusedes Stallone of like stealing his life
Speaker 1: story for the Rocky Script.
Speaker 2: It's so adorable.
Speaker 1: I mean, like a year or two earlier, Stallone had
Speaker 1: to like sell his dog to be able to eat
Speaker 1: and survive, and now he was at the Oscars with
Speaker 1: his hero like surprising him on stage.
Speaker 2: It's very sweet. Yeah, that is quite cute. It's also
Speaker 2: become a tradition over the years for winners to take
Speaker 2: a photo kissing their oscars. This trend began with a
Speaker 2: great Audrey Hepburn after she run won hers for Roman
Speaker 2: Holiday in nineteen fifty four. In no surprise to those
Speaker 2: of you with taste and wherewithal, the most nominated actor
Speaker 2: at the Oscars is Meryl Street is a total of
Speaker 2: twenty one between Deer Hunter and Night teen seventy nine
Speaker 2: and The Post in twenty eighteen. Catherine Hepburn still holds
Speaker 2: the record for the most wins at four, with Streep
Speaker 2: and Jack Nicholson tied for second with three. Apiece composer
Speaker 2: and Spielberg buddy John Williams is the only person in
Speaker 2: Oscar's history to be nominated in seven consecutive decades, starting
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight, for Best Scoring of Music for
Speaker 2: Valley of the Dolls. Yeah, baby, to his most recent
Speaker 2: nominations for Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. They all have to be good. It's
Speaker 2: bookended by. To date, he has racked up a total
Speaker 2: of fifty four nominations, he's won five and he's also
Speaker 2: the oldest person ever to be nominated at age ninety two.
Speaker 1: And he was nice to my mom back of the nineties.
Speaker 2: Most importantly, I mean's he is the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2: Like it's not even yeah, nobody's actually competing for that
Speaker 2: category with John Williams. I'm sorry everyone else.
Speaker 1: He's a family gout fit where it was like the
Speaker 1: Porn Awards and they had all these like best score
Speaker 1: for partial Yeah.
Speaker 2: John Williams with the London Symphonic Orchestra. So good. However,
Speaker 2: Walt Disney has the most Oscar wins ever. In all,
Speaker 2: he's won twenty two competitive Oscars and four honorary Oscars
Speaker 2: out of possible fifty nine nominations. He was nominated for
Speaker 2: an Oscar a year between nineteen forty two and nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty three.
Speaker 1: But he just like ran animation in Hollywood, so and
Speaker 1: they're all animation categories.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming so I don't know that. I don't count that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a bit like the Apples and Oranges thing like. Oh,
Speaker 2: I lost an award to the Seven Dwarves. The record
Speaker 2: for the shortest Oscar winning performance goes to Beatrice Strait,
Speaker 2: who played the heartbroken wife of a philandering TV station
Speaker 2: president in Sidney La Maze nineteen seventy six film Network.
Speaker 2: She appears in just one scene, which she delivers an
Speaker 2: impassioned monologue confronting her husband about his affair. Five minutes
Speaker 2: and two seconds of screen time well spent. The moment
Speaker 2: earned her an Academy Award, alongside co stars Paid Dunaway,
Speaker 2: who took him the Best Actress statuette and Peter Finch,
Speaker 2: who became the first actor honored with a posthumous OSCAR.
Speaker 2: James Deem was the first actor to earn posthumous nominations,
Speaker 2: with back to back nods in nineteen fifty five and
Speaker 2: fifty six for East of Eden and Giant, respectively. And
Speaker 2: who's the other posthumous one? It was Heath Ledger, right, Oh,
Speaker 2: he blecher you. Jean dou Jardins has the distinction of
Speaker 2: winning an Acting Oscar with the least amount of dialogue
Speaker 2: for the Artists in twenty eleven. The film is almost
Speaker 2: entirely silent save for twelve words, two of which are
Speaker 2: his with pleasure, with Pleasure avec Cezier. The Artist was
Speaker 2: also the first entirely black and white film to win
Speaker 2: Best Picture since The Apartment in nineteen sixty, over half
Speaker 2: a century earlier. Oh and Okay, Yeah, Let's go to Sweepers.
Speaker 2: As of the ninety sixth Academy Awards twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: forty one films have won at least two Acting Awards.
Speaker 2: Of these, three A street Car Named Desire nineteen fifty one,
Speaker 2: Network in nineteen seventy six and Everything Everywhere, All at
Speaker 2: Once in twenty twenty two have won three Acting awards.
Speaker 2: A street Car named Desire scored statuettes for Vivian Lay,
Speaker 2: Karl Malden, and Kim Hunter. However, Marlon Brando lost Best
Speaker 2: Actor to Humphrey Bogart in The African Queen. In Network,
Speaker 2: Peter Finch, Fade Dunaway, and Behri Strait all won, but
Speaker 2: Ned Batty lost Best Supporting Actor to Jason Robards for
Speaker 2: All the President's Men, Everything Everywhere, All at Once did
Speaker 2: not have a Best Actor nominee, but won Best Actress
Speaker 2: for Michelle Yeoh, Best Supporting Actor for Kei Hui Kwan,
Speaker 2: and Best Supporting Actress for Jamie Lee Curtis, which, if
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, was some kind of an abomination because
Speaker 2: there was another Best Supporting Actress win that people were like,
Speaker 2: why is she in this? For being the token white
Speaker 2: lady in this movie? There actually have been ties in
Speaker 2: Oscar history. Meanwhile, in nineteen thirty two, during the fifth
Speaker 2: Academy Awards, Frederick Marsh received one more vote for his
Speaker 2: performance in Doctor Jekyl and Mister Hyde than did Wallace
Speaker 2: Beery for the champ but under the Academy's rules at
Speaker 2: the time, a difference of less than three votes was
Speaker 2: considered a tie, not how ties work, and both actors
Speaker 2: were honored. March and Beery also shared the fact that
Speaker 2: they had each recently adopted children, which led Frederick Marsh
Speaker 2: to joke, under the circumstances, it seems a little odd
Speaker 2: that Wally and I were both given awards for the
Speaker 2: best Male Performance of the Year. That's funny. In later years,
Speaker 2: the rules were changed to recognize that only an exact
Speaker 2: tie in a major category because no shit. In nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty nine, during the first Academy Awards ceremony to be
Speaker 2: televised worldwide, Katherine Hepburn for The Line in Winter, the
Speaker 2: movie Not Her State of Being, and Barbara Streisend for
Speaker 2: Funny Girl, shared Best Actress honors when each received precisely
Speaker 2: three thousand and thirty votes. For Hepburn, this was her
Speaker 2: record setting eleventh nomination and third win. For Streisan it
Speaker 2: was her film debut. Catherine Hepburn hated her I have
Speaker 2: to assume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of guess that this is such an
Speaker 1: all about Eve moment.
Speaker 2: Or show Girls. We should do Showgirls. Sure, I've never
Speaker 2: seen it. Oh, it might How does it rank in
Speaker 2: the U in the Hustler's Magic, Mike Honaura, it might
Speaker 2: be a little too much for you for me? Yeah,
Speaker 2: how so? Because it's Joe Estra was writing, the guy
Speaker 2: who wrote Basic Instincts, So it's like his idea of
Speaker 2: how like beautiful women talk to each other and it's horrible.
Speaker 2: But it's also Paul Vyrhoven, who whoa I didn't know that,
Speaker 2: and comic Blachlin's in it. Oh my god, No, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating movie, but I don't think I can
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly recommend it. No, I can, Yeah, I can watch
Speaker 2: show Girls Joe for Showgirls. As we mentioned earlier, Peter
Speaker 2: Finch was the first performer to win a Costumius Oscar
Speaker 2: for Best Actor in nineteen sen teventy six Network. The
Speaker 2: award was accepted by his widow. The sixtieth Academy Awards
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight was the first time we had
Speaker 2: an Oscar nominee who was actively being sought by police.
Speaker 2: This was screenwriter Gustav Hasford, who wrote the book that
Speaker 2: Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket was based on the Short Timers.
Speaker 2: He was listed as a co writer on the script,
Speaker 2: although exactly how much he contributed has been debated, and
Speaker 2: at the time he was wanted in connection with grand
Speaker 2: theft charges involving a large collection of library books, which
Speaker 2: is just adorable. Well, well, the law library books. His
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page is quite something. In nineteen eighty five, Hassford
Speaker 2: had borrowed ninety eight books from the Sacramento, California Public
Speaker 2: Library but never returned them. An arrest warrant for misdemeanor
Speaker 2: grand theft was issued, but local authorities were unable to
Speaker 2: find him. In March of nineteen eighty eight, shortly before
Speaker 2: the Academy Awards ceremony, campus police from California Polytechnic State
Speaker 2: University in San Luis Obispo, California, found nearly ten thousand
Speaker 2: library book in Haspard's rented storage locker. At the time,
Speaker 2: he had eighty seven overdue books and five years of
Speaker 2: Civil War Times magazine checked out cow Pauly Slo Library.
Speaker 1: Good for him.
Speaker 2: The materials were initially valued at three grand and were
Speaker 2: later revalued at twenty grand. Haspard's book collection, to use
Speaker 2: that term generously, included books borrowed and never returned from
Speaker 2: dozens of libraries across the United States, from libraries in
Speaker 2: Australia and the United Kingdom, and legitate in My favorite
Speaker 2: note book was taken from the homes of acquaintances, not
Speaker 2: even friends. Acquaintances is a fiend for books. He is
Speaker 2: a kleptomaniac, but just for books. It'd be so fun.
Speaker 2: I mean it says Civil War books too. Oh man.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he transitioned it all to like Ken
Speaker 2: Burns DVD's played Friend five Well there wasn't much a
Speaker 2: later in life. Among this spectacular collection were nineteenth century
Speaker 2: books on Edgar Allan Poe and the American Civil War.
Speaker 2: Hasford had obtained borrowing privileges at cal Poly Slo as
Speaker 2: a California resident, using the residential address of a motel
Speaker 2: near campus and a false social security number. In nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty eight, he was charged with two counts of grand
Speaker 2: theft and ten counts of possession of stolen property. On
Speaker 2: January fourth, nineteen eighty nine, Hasford was sentenced to six
Speaker 2: months imprisonment, of which he served three months, and promised
Speaker 2: to pay eleven hundred dollars in restitution from the royalties
Speaker 2: of his future works. He was also ordered to pay
Speaker 2: the shipping costs for the return of seven hundred and
Speaker 2: forty eight books to nine libraries throughout the United States.
Speaker 2: Hasford was impoverished and suffering from untreated diabetes, and pulled
Speaker 2: Leonard Cohen on everyone's ass. He moved to the Greek
Speaker 2: island of Aegina and died there of heart failure on
Speaker 2: January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety three, at the age of
Speaker 2: forty five. I'd say that counts as a win. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, ten thousand library books and stole it books
Speaker 2: stolen from acquaintances. Yes, and he just got off with
Speaker 2: a letter. He just went to Greece about it. What
Speaker 2: a sham.
Speaker 1: So those are the winners, but let's not forget the losers.
Speaker 1: We cannot forget the losers on this show. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you, Glenn Close and Peter O'Toole have the ignoble
Speaker 1: honor of earning the most Oscar nominations without a win.
Speaker 2: They've each racked up eight.
Speaker 1: Peter O'Toole was apparently annoyed when he learned he was
Speaker 1: getting an honorary Oscar In two thousand and three, Variety
Speaker 1: reported that he sent a letter to the Academy asking
Speaker 1: them to hold off with the honorary award quote until
Speaker 1: I am as he is, quote still in the game
Speaker 1: and might win the lovely bugger outright. Frank Pearson, the
Speaker 1: president of the Academy, responded with a note saying the
Speaker 1: award is for achievement and contribution to the art of
Speaker 1: the motion picture, not for retirement. It will be at
Speaker 1: the Academy fee to pick up when you're eighty or
Speaker 1: whenever you're ready. But as we mentioned at the top
Speaker 1: of the episode. Even losers have a reason to celebrate
Speaker 1: thanks to the infamous Oscars swag bags loaded with gifts
Speaker 1: worth upwards of one hundred grand. These include multiple luxury vacations,
Speaker 1: signature chocolates, a range of beauty products, jewelry and more.
Speaker 1: Some years have even gifted the nominees therapy sessions, cannabis
Speaker 1: infused chocolates, and cannabis.
Speaker 2: Seed facial moisturizer.
Speaker 1: But back to the winners. We should really only talk
Speaker 1: about winners on the show. Here are some fun facts
Speaker 1: about those who have taken home the Little gold Man,
Speaker 1: delivered in the form of a quiz higel. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you if.
Speaker 2: You know some of these.
Speaker 1: There are only two families with three generations of Oscar winners.
Speaker 1: Who are they? Barry Moore's no, that's a good that's
Speaker 1: a great guess.
Speaker 2: I know. Newman's no for me.
Speaker 1: You know what, these might be performers as opposed to writers. Actually,
Speaker 1: because you're right, the Newman's of the most Oscar nominated
Speaker 1: family eighty nine nominations in counting. Yeah, actually, no, those
Speaker 1: are only two generations now that I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: The Newmans are only two generations.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so, okay, we have two families who have
Speaker 1: three generations.
Speaker 2: Of Oscar winners. Let me tell you. Yeah, The Houston's
Speaker 2: Walter Houston one Best Supporting Actor in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 2: John Houston won Best Director and Best Screenplay in nineteen
Speaker 2: forty eight, and granddaughter Angelica Houston won Best Supporting Actress
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty five. And then, of course, the Coppola's
Speaker 2: Carmine Coppola one for Best Dramatic Score for The Godfather,
Speaker 2: Francis Ford Coppola one for Best Original Screenplay.
Speaker 1: Oh, he wrote the screenplay for pat But that's still
Speaker 1: only two generations though, And then Sophia, Yeah, Sophia Coppola,
Speaker 1: what's the third? Francis Coppola's dad wrote the theme to
Speaker 1: The Godfather.
Speaker 2: That was Nino Roda and it was also based off
Speaker 2: of Sicilian folk melodies Sicilians love to Steal.
Speaker 1: Carmen Coppola won both the Academy Award for Best Original
Speaker 1: Score and Golden Global Were for Best Original Score composed
Speaker 1: with Nina Roda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this is a good question.
Speaker 1: There's only one pair of brothers who've been nominated for
Speaker 1: acting Oscars.
Speaker 2: Who are they? And before you answer.
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck don't count because Ben's two
Speaker 1: Oscars weren't for acting, they were for Best Original Screenplay
Speaker 1: for good Will Hunting and Best Picture for Argo.
Speaker 2: One pair of brothers nominated for acting oscars, Bill Murray
Speaker 2: and Brian Doyle Murray.
Speaker 1: It is River Phoenix and Joaquin Phoenix, River for Running
Speaker 1: on Empty in nineteen eighty eight and Joakeen for Gladiator
Speaker 1: Walked the Line and the Master.
Speaker 2: I honestly didn't know that seems like a gimme. I
Speaker 2: just didn't know River Phoenix that ever been nominated. I
Speaker 2: thought he was just like he was widely agreed to,
Speaker 2: just be like a little boy king.
Speaker 1: There are only two married couples who've won acting oscars.
Speaker 2: Can you name either of them currently or at the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question. They were not married when
Speaker 1: they both won in some In one case, they were
Speaker 1: married when one of them won.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, can you give me some decades here, or.
Speaker 1: At least like forties and fifties, in fifties and eighties,
Speaker 1: fifties and eighties. This one will make sense when you
Speaker 1: hear it.
Speaker 2: Is it Hitchcock and his wife? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He never won a competitive Oscar, so we got Paul
Speaker 1: Newman and Joanne Woodward. Paul Newman won nineteen eighty six
Speaker 1: for the Color of Money.
Speaker 2: Joann Woodward won in.
Speaker 1: Fifty seven for the Three Faces of Eve. They were
Speaker 1: married in fifty eight, which was after Woodburg got or
Speaker 1: Oscar Lawrence a Living One for Hamlet in nineteen forty
Speaker 1: eight and Vivian Lee for Streetcar Named Desire in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty one.
Speaker 2: All right, good for them. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh, she also won for a Gun with a Wind too. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is another good one. Angelia and Joelie won the
Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actress Oscar for Girl Interrupted in two thousand.
Speaker 1: Her father John Voight won Best Actor for nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: eight Coming Home. Who is the only other father daughter
Speaker 1: Best Acting pair?
Speaker 2: They both won Best Actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it Paltrow?
Speaker 1: Oh no, but that's a good And it's not during either.
Speaker 2: That would have been my second guest. I don't know
Speaker 2: who is it? It is Barbarella herself? Oh sure? And
Speaker 2: old Henry Jane Fonda Yeah, for.
Speaker 1: Clute in nineteen seventy one and Coming Home in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight, and her father Henry Fonda one in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one for On Golden Pond.
Speaker 2: Okay, two more of these.
Speaker 1: Who's the only Academy Award winner whose parents both also
Speaker 1: received to Oscars. I can give you multiple choice if
Speaker 1: you want, please one Angelica Houston, two Liza Minelli, three
Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, or four Sophia Coppola both.
Speaker 2: Parents would have been was it is Liza? It is Liza,
Speaker 2: That is correct. I thought you glitched out on me.
Speaker 2: There No, okay? Wow?
Speaker 1: One for six that was good. And finally, this is
Speaker 1: a tough one. Joelnathan Cohen each won Oscars for the
Speaker 1: direction of No Country for Old Men. It was only
Speaker 1: the second time in Oscar's history that two individuals shared
Speaker 1: the directing honor. Who was the first? You will never
Speaker 1: get this? Well, I mean you might, but.
Speaker 2: Toby Hooper and Steven Spielberg for Poltergeist.
Speaker 1: It deserves it.
Speaker 2: But no, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1: Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins winning for nineteen sixty one's
Speaker 1: West Side Story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I would never have known that, and I
Speaker 2: don't care. All right, let's get into the racial stuff. Yes,
Speaker 2: we have now arrived at the Oscar so white section.
Speaker 2: It took more than a decade for an African American
Speaker 2: to win and even receive a nomination for an Academy
Speaker 2: Award for Acting. The honor went to Hettie McDaniel, who
Speaker 2: earned a Best Supporting Actress statuette. I think it was
Speaker 2: a plaque back then for her role as Mamy in
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine's Gone with the Winds. While the achievement
Speaker 2: was an important breakthrough for black performers, the moment was
Speaker 2: not completely victorious for McDaniel, the daughter of two former slaves.
Speaker 2: Segregation was still the law of the land throughout much
Speaker 2: of the United States, and producer David o' selznik had
Speaker 2: the pool strings to ensure that McDaniel would even be
Speaker 2: allowed to attend the ceremony at the Ambassador Hotel's Coconut
Speaker 2: Grove nightclub, which had a strict no blacks policy their words,
Speaker 2: Despite David oh Sales MC's endorsement, McDaniel was prohibited from
Speaker 2: sitting with her fellow cast mates. Instead, she was banished
Speaker 2: to a small table in the back of the room
Speaker 2: along with her escort and agent. This was still an
Speaker 2: upgrade from the film's Atlanta premiere, for which she was
Speaker 2: barred entirely an African American's Children choir was hired to
Speaker 2: pose as slaves at the event, and this choir included
Speaker 2: a young Martin Luther King Junior. McDaniel found herself typecast
Speaker 2: following her famous role and gone with the wind, and
Speaker 2: went on to play more than seventy domestic servant.
Speaker 1: Roles over the next decade. She would say, I'd rather
Speaker 1: play a maid than be a maid. Even so, the
Speaker 1: NAACP took a dim view of her credits and effectively
Speaker 1: just owned her for allegedly perpetuating negative stereotypes. The indignities
Speaker 1: continued even after McDaniel's death in nineteen fifty two. Her
Speaker 1: final wish was to be buried in Hollywood Cemetery, but
Speaker 1: this was denied due to her race and the oscar
Speaker 1: she bequeathed the Howard University was deemed worthless by appraisers.
Speaker 1: The plaque then went missing by the early seventies, and
Speaker 1: to this day.
Speaker 2: It's never been recovered. Jesus Christ, that is just a
Speaker 2: little on the nose. Yes, Holy, that got worse and worse. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this history of the States we are.
Speaker 1: It would be sixty two years before another black actress
Speaker 1: received an Academy Award great odds. This time it went
Speaker 1: to Halle Berry for her starring turn in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two's Monsters Ball. This moment is so much bigger
Speaker 1: than me, she said during her tearful acceptance speech. It's
Speaker 1: for every nameless, faceless woman of color that now has
Speaker 1: a chance because this door tonight has been opened. Barry remains,
Speaker 1: I believe, the only black actress to ever win in
Speaker 1: the Leading Role category.
Speaker 2: And she's still keeping it tight.
Speaker 1: The first African American to win an Oscar for Best
Speaker 1: Actor was Sidney Poitier, who won for Lilies of the
Speaker 1: Field in nineteen sixty three. Denzel Washington became the second
Speaker 1: African American actor to win the Oscar for Best Actor
Speaker 1: for Training Day in two thousand and.
Speaker 2: One flawless movie No Notes.
Speaker 1: And he's the first African American actor to have won
Speaker 1: Oscars for both Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor. He
Speaker 1: won for nineteen eighty nine's Glory and a black filmmaker
Speaker 1: has never won Best Director.
Speaker 2: There it is there, it is.
Speaker 1: In fact, it took seventy seven years for a non
Speaker 1: white filmmaker to win Best Director. That honor belongs to
Speaker 1: ang Lee who won in two thousand and six for
Speaker 1: Brooke Back Mountain. It took eighty one years for a
Speaker 1: woman the win Best Director. That was in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: when Catherine Bigelow triumphed over her ex husband James Cameron
Speaker 1: for The hurt Locker.
Speaker 2: Beautiful moment in Hollywood history. Also a great film. I
Speaker 2: mean yeah, I love her whole arc against James. It's
Speaker 2: son funny. Yes. Rita Moreno became the first Hispanic woman
Speaker 2: to win an Oscar for her role as Anita in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one's West Side Story. She would be the
Speaker 2: only Hispanic woman for nearly six decades, and then Arianna
Speaker 2: Bose won the award for the same role in Steven
Speaker 2: Spielberg's remake in twenty twenty one. In addition to being
Speaker 2: the second Latina to win an Acting Oscar, she's the
Speaker 2: first openly queer woman of color to win an Oscar.
Speaker 2: And Zoe Saldana became the first American of Dominican origin
Speaker 2: to win Academy Award on Sunday for Emilia Perez, a
Speaker 2: movie which was extensively cast and location scouted for in
Speaker 2: Mexico and then neither shot nor casted anything Mexican in it,
Speaker 2: and also whose star has just a rich, well documented
Speaker 2: history of saying real bad stuff about other races. So
Speaker 2: we did it, Joe. We kept Amelia Perez from cleaning up.
Speaker 1: All right, I have another question for you, Heigel. There
Speaker 1: have been two other instances of two different actors winning
Speaker 1: Oscars for the same character. Do you want to guess
Speaker 1: who they are?
Speaker 2: Oh? Would it be John Wayne and Jeff Daniels for
Speaker 2: True Grid? Not Jeff Daniels, Jeff Bridges. No, No, you're
Speaker 2: you're overthinking it. You know these? Wait? Two different asking?
Speaker 1: Oh, two different actors, one Oscars for playing the same character.
Speaker 2: This has happened twice. Harry Potter, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sorry, man, I'm burnt.
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando and Robert de Niro as don Vito Corleone
Speaker 1: for The Godfather Got Mother Part Too, and also Heath
Speaker 1: Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker in the Dark
Speaker 1: Night and Joker respectively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was embarrassing. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: I don't love the movies as much as I thought
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: But back to big winning movies. The most Oscars won
Speaker 1: by a single film is eleven. This has happened three
Speaker 1: times in Oscar's history. Ben Hurr was the first to
Speaker 1: attend em eleven Oscars in nineteen sixty, followed by Titanic
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, and finally Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: the Return of the King in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Out of the three, the Lord of the Rings was
Speaker 1: the only film to win every single Oscar. It was
Speaker 1: nominated for all eleven nominations. It took all of them.
Speaker 1: That is insane. I've still never seen it.
Speaker 2: Ah, come on, you should watch those just as an
Speaker 2: example of like truly the Nail and the Coffin for
Speaker 2: that kind of filmmaking. But things I don't like that
Speaker 2: filmmaking is the thing. Yeah, I mean there's that. I
Speaker 2: know Peter Jackson loves the Beatles, but no, it's just
Speaker 2: like there's never going to be anyone who gets to
Speaker 2: do that again. Yeah. Yeah, So it's just interesting from
Speaker 2: that perspective. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The most nominations received by a single film are fourteen,
Speaker 1: and only three movies have notched those numbers nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: All About Eve, which only won six awards. Nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven is Titanic, which, as we mentioned, won eleven awards
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteens La La Land, which only won six.
Speaker 1: Three films have won the Big five categories Best Picture,
Speaker 1: Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Screenplay in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty four Is It Happened One Night, nineteen seventy five's
Speaker 1: One Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest, and nineteen ninety one's
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. Hell, Yeah, and did you know, Heigel,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure this guy knows. This guy knows. An x
Speaker 1: rated film one Best Picture. Midnight Cowboy has gone down
Speaker 1: in cinema history. Is one of the most revered films
Speaker 1: of the sixties, thanks in large part due to Dustin
Speaker 1: Hoffman's unforgettable portrayal as Ratzo I'm walking here Rizzo, the
Speaker 1: wanna be pimp who befriends the naive stud known as
Speaker 1: Joe Buck played by John Voight, and for Fred Neil right,
Speaker 1: and for the Harry Nilsen doing the freend Neil song
Speaker 1: Everybody's Talking at Me? Yeah, Yeah, Well. Its reputation is
Speaker 1: a Best Picture winner is reasonably well known. Few realize
Speaker 1: that it's the first and to date only X rated
Speaker 1: movie in Oscar's history to earn that distinction. However, the
Speaker 1: EX certification meant something very different at the time than
Speaker 1: it does today. We've been that Cowboy was released in
Speaker 1: May nineteen sixty nine. The Motion Picture Association of America
Speaker 1: the MPAA was then only six months old. They distributed
Speaker 1: X ratings to films that contained content judged unsuitable for children,
Speaker 1: such as extreme violence, strongly implied sex, and graphic language.
Speaker 1: Many mainstream movies of the era, including a Clockwork Orange,
Speaker 1: Las Tango in Paris, and The Evil Dead, were marked
Speaker 1: by the X, which barred anyone from under the age
Speaker 1: of sixteen from entering. Ultimately, the rating was phased out
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety in favor of the NC seventeen rating.
Speaker 1: But interestingly, the studio that produced Midnight Cowboy labeled it
Speaker 1: with an X rating themselves without even submitting it to
Speaker 1: the MPAA. United Oris production had David Picker just assumed
Speaker 1: that the sexually explicit nature of the film, plus the druggy,
Speaker 1: psychedelic freak out scenes and homosexual themes made it an
Speaker 1: obvious contender for the strictest and he said, we didn't
Speaker 1: want to go through the exercise of submitting it since
Speaker 1: we weren't prepared to change the movie.
Speaker 2: He's talking to the Hollywood Reporter. Stranger Still, when.
Speaker 1: The MPAA did opt to review the movie in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one, they downgraded the rating to an R, well
Speaker 1: less extreme R.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the NPA for for the longest time,
Speaker 2: the ratings board were just awful. I mean, we've touched
Speaker 2: briefly on it wasn't the guy in charge of it
Speaker 2: for one year, like a for the Exorcist one, it
Speaker 2: was like a religious fundamentalist and held a particular grudge
Speaker 2: against the against that film. There's all it's it's utterly opaque,
Speaker 2: and every filmmaker who's done anything in marginally challenging subject
Speaker 2: materials talking about how artificial it all is. Where the
Speaker 2: they'll like pull three frames out of a scene like
Speaker 2: or a certain amount of Buddock thrusts in a sex scene,
Speaker 2: they'll resubmit it seven to ten times, and then the
Speaker 2: last two times they didn't change anything. But and they're
Speaker 2: like great, yeah, yeah, awful movies. Matt movie magic.
Speaker 1: And now before we sign off, there's a few other
Speaker 1: assorted Oscar winning movie factoids that I'd like to share
Speaker 1: with you. In the form of a multiple choice quiz.
Speaker 2: Says, get back to trivia, its to someone else.
Speaker 1: What was the first fully animated film to receive a
Speaker 1: Best Picture nomination? Was it one The Lion King, two,
Speaker 1: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, three, Beauty and the
Speaker 1: Beast or.
Speaker 2: Four Toy Story three. I want to say Beauty in
Speaker 2: the Beast Right, You're correct? Yeah, thank god we did.
Speaker 2: We did an episode on it to date.
Speaker 1: What is the only film to win both an Oscar
Speaker 1: for Best Actor and a Golden Raspberry for Worst Supporting Actress.
Speaker 2: Is it one? Wall Street?
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 2: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Three Forrest Gump or
Speaker 2: four Bohemian Rhapsody. Uh, Bohemian Rhapsody. No, Wall Street? Who's
Speaker 2: the Well? I guess that answers my question. Who's the
Speaker 2: female lead in Wall Street? I believe it was You
Speaker 2: didn't know it either. I think it was Daryl Hannah. Yes,
Speaker 2: Daryl Hannah. That's sad.
Speaker 1: I know which Best Picture winning film is the longest
Speaker 1: run time with three hours and fifty four minutes, Titanic,
Speaker 1: The Godfather, Gone with the Wind or Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2: Did Oppenheimer set the new record or is it still
Speaker 2: shorter than Titanic. I don't know, I got nothing. Gone
Speaker 2: with the Wind? Oh okay, never seen it? Sorry, I
Speaker 2: haven't either.
Speaker 1: The first color film to win Best Picture, but the
Speaker 1: longest movie to ever win an Oscar, although not Best Picture,
Speaker 1: was the nineteen sixty eight classic War in Peace, which
Speaker 1: ran over seven hours.
Speaker 2: Game is that Tartowski or one of those people other
Speaker 2: people have to pretend to care about or they think so?
Speaker 2: Two more, The two thousand and three film The Lord
Speaker 2: of the Rings The Return of the King is one
Speaker 2: of only two sequels to win Best Picture? What was
Speaker 2: the other? Godfather? Too correct? Please? And finally, what's the
Speaker 2: first foreign film to win Best Picture? Is it? One?
Speaker 1: Parasite?
Speaker 2: Two? Life Is Beautiful? Three Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon or
Speaker 2: four of the Umbrellas of Cherburg. I guess Trapching Tiger.
Speaker 2: I'll say I don't recall it winning Best Picture, but
Speaker 2: I wanted it to.
Speaker 1: It was Parasite in twenty twenty. I also took you
Speaker 1: so long?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you said that, I also kind of knew that,
Speaker 2: but hey, I didn't say it, and I'm suitably chastened.
Speaker 1: Director Bong Joon ho said, once you overcome the one
Speaker 1: inch tall barrier of subtitles. You will be introduced to
Speaker 1: so many more amazing films. Yeah, yeah, well, Heigel. In
Speaker 1: the end, there's only one more fact left to share.
Speaker 1: The only person actually named Oscar to win an Oscar Oh,
Speaker 1: thank God, was Oscar Hammerstein, the second who won for
Speaker 1: his song The Last Time I saw Paris in the nineteen.
Speaker 2: Forty one movie Lady Be Good. And now I hear
Speaker 2: the wrap it up music playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was almost as long as the actual ceremony.
Speaker 2: I just want to thank my parents and Jordan and
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Katzenberg, especially Michael Caine obviously. Yeah, John Carpenter for
Speaker 2: all you do. Kurt Russell, please die before you say
Speaker 2: anything really bad or right wing in public, because that
Speaker 2: will destroy me. God well, I like to think Jesus,
Speaker 2: of course, through him, all things are possible.
Speaker 5: Movie magic, movie magic, way, movie magic. It's just a
Speaker 5: magical night. All right, my ben, I'm My name is
Speaker 5: Alex Heigel.
Speaker 2: All right, My name is My game is mister movies,
Speaker 2: the guy who loves going to the movies. That's what
Speaker 2: I That's what I do do. I get water now, mommy,
Speaker 2: can I please go to pet And I'm Jordan runtagg
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