WEBVTT - The Oscars: Everything You Didn't Know

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<v Speaker 1>Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to a very special episode of Too Much Information,

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<v Speaker 1>the show that brings you the secret histories and little

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<v Speaker 1>known details behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and

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<v Speaker 1>so much more. We are your little golden med of Minutia,

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<v Speaker 1>your tuxedo clad trivia champs of red carpet arcana. You're

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<v Speaker 1>maestros of movie magic. We don't have wrap it up music,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going all night.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby. My name is Jordan run Talk and I'm Alex Heigel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll play the wrap up music today, folks, We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Oscars. Pause the episode, pick an outfit, get

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<v Speaker 1>your glam squad together, maybe runt to stretch limo, and

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<v Speaker 1>drive around and listen as we give you all the

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<v Speaker 1>details and wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories about Hollywood's biggest night.

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<v Speaker 1>We are taping this on the Monday after the ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seventh Annual Academy Award. So the mood is right, the

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<v Speaker 1>spirit's up, We're here tonight, and damn it, that's enough. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. I just like a wonderful Christmas time into

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<v Speaker 1>an episode also doesn't really like ooh higo, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel? We were texting a little during the award

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<v Speaker 1>show last night.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? You know? I was really off

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<v Speaker 2>my game this season. I actually did not see too much,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah saying I really liked I really like the substance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you wouldn't love body horror? Yeah? Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was about it. Oh, I mean I think Dune too,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're still talking about that, and obviously not Sato,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, a lot of the big best Actor and

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<v Speaker 2>best I'm happy Timothy Shall and I didn't win.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I kind of well, no, actually that was

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing I felt he deserved. That whole movie

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think was that good. But his performance, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that was pretty good. But it was like a bad

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<v Speaker 1>movie or like not a very interesting movie.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't get that. What No, why is that everything

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<v Speaker 2>else been handed on to him? He didn't get an oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not a good actor. I'm sorry, whoa, whoa, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>don't act like this is some bomb like like like mine,

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<v Speaker 2>like extreamely hot take. He's got great bone structure and

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<v Speaker 2>good hair, and he's anemic in that way that people

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<v Speaker 2>find attractive. He's not a good actor. I'm sorry. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. Really, Yeah, we show his range in Dune

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<v Speaker 2>from like petulant sallow aristocrat to like least compelling savory

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe. Ever, like, I don't what where's your

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy shallow may evidence, Like where's this great role that

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<v Speaker 2>he supposedly got in.

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<v Speaker 1>Him call me by your name?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's a kid? When he did that, wasn't he? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I'll give you Wonka. I'll give you Wonka

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<v Speaker 2>Gough And he was good as Dylan.

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<v Speaker 1>He taught himself guitar and these complicated parts he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>live during the filming.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just say those complicated parts? Oh god? Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, you know that, like all the cool

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Dylan guitar parts were played by other people in

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<v Speaker 2>that early stuff, Right, yeah, okay, cool? He sund like Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>So does everybody. Thousands of people have a Bob Dylan impression.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, That is very true. Yeah, we were gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give a We're gonna give the logan director James Mangold

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<v Speaker 2>a best director for a behind the music episode like

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<v Speaker 2>a LARPing. I mean, the Cohen brother has already made

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<v Speaker 2>the best Greenwich Village movie of all time. That is true.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about in front of the Pod door today

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<v Speaker 1>or no, no different, friend of the Pod, Friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pod Monica. Anyway, Well, Mikey Madison, I call me,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. I'm excited to see Anaura. Everyone I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to is either said it's great or they said

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like it, but you will like it, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means. I'll take that of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm excited. Although I heard a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>complaining that it was basically like Hustlers but no people

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<v Speaker 1>of color. And while Hustlers was thrown into the trash

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<v Speaker 1>heap of Hollywood cinema, Honora was feted big time.

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<v Speaker 2>No Husters was thrown into that because Jennifer Lopez was

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<v Speaker 2>going to like force her way into an Oscar. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It was just not a particularly compelling movie

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<v Speaker 2>season to me. I know, like everyone get mad at

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<v Speaker 2>me about that. But I didn't see the Karen Coulkin

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<v Speaker 2>one that he was nominated for. I did see Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you loved Wicked, and I love how much you

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<v Speaker 2>love Wicked songs for Bangers, and it is good that

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<v Speaker 2>it won for production design because the production design actually

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<v Speaker 2>in that was quite crazy and they planted like fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand poppies at one point to shoot the poppy field scene.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see Nickel Boys Gladiator two one for Best Elephant. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>no it didn't. It was nominated for costume design for

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<v Speaker 2>Best Elephant. Yeah, lost to Yeah. I don't know, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I take umbrage with your description of Oscars as movie magic.

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<v Speaker 2>Though this is movie peckage and tree. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>different this is movie philating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand. I understand that take.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. But in the same way that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certain people really get comfort and joy and even a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of excitement in say, the ritual of Catholicism

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<v Speaker 1>of oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's fun pageantry. I mean, like, I'll watch

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<v Speaker 2>it if it's on.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm also the guy who defended to the

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<v Speaker 1>death the Macy's Thanksgiving the parade in our episode on it,

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<v Speaker 1>So I I clearly love my.

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<v Speaker 2>Tradition forgot him. It's a very predictable take that I'm having.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously everyone will. Of course you did. There's an a

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<v Speaker 2>song about you, like, of course you's what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, I made it for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for you. Movies, Music, TV and Clare Money France

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<v Speaker 2>maing the show so fun. A crumby co host is

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<v Speaker 2>seconds and yeah, I don't know, and I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like I watched that. I like the like the

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<v Speaker 2>fashions kind of fun sometimes and but yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you get those rare things like Sean Baker's

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<v Speaker 2>and I have no quarrel with that man. But it

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<v Speaker 2>is not to be denied that he was like a

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<v Speaker 2>legitimately independent filmmaker. You know, he shot Tangerine I think

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<v Speaker 2>entirely on an iPhone. I like five yep. Yeah, he's so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, good for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, and made it for six million with

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<v Speaker 1>a cast and crew I think it was cast and

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<v Speaker 1>crew of like forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something insane. And Mikey Madison's like my first celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>crush in many, many years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry for you. I know, I'm really happy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're really happy. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I like doing the post mortem on

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the acceptance speechies in particular, because it's really

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<v Speaker 2>funny to see people like I don't think I realized

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<v Speaker 2>Adrian Bradie was so stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean you didn't see the SNL thing where he

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<v Speaker 1>just randomly wears a rosta wig, And yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was actually thinking about this. Was that what

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<v Speaker 2>got him like band canceled in Hollywood? Because like, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at his filmography, it is insane. He

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<v Speaker 2>won an Oscar. He was then in like some weird

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<v Speaker 2>genre stuff like Splice and Predators, and then he's been

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<v Speaker 2>in like every Wes Anderson movie and then so much

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<v Speaker 2>direct to video, nither video, direct to streaming garbage, And

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, man, was he actively like blackballed

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<v Speaker 2>for like kissing Halle Berry and doing that like Jamaican

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<v Speaker 2>petwa thing? Or is it just is he not good?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I watched him speak and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're maybe kind of like there's not that much going

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<v Speaker 2>on up top. You got like social eyes and you

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<v Speaker 2>got an interesting face, so or is it dick or

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<v Speaker 2>both two things can be true. I was at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time as my therapist always says, yeah, yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>have we have we uh, you know, enacted our roles

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<v Speaker 2>where you're the g whiz guy and the I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>st on this guy. You know, the Oscars gift bags

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<v Speaker 2>or how much are they worth? Like forty grand each

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<v Speaker 2>over one hundred grand overall, one hundred grand we get

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<v Speaker 2>to that King Christ. Yeah, every time I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's been a rough like five or ten years

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<v Speaker 2>for like the country. Every time I see a room

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<v Speaker 2>full of people that's rich, I'm like, I should be

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a bomb, you know, Like I don't. I'm sorry, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>and all this filating over, like, oh what could art?

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<v Speaker 2>Art can change the world? Movies can change the world,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know, they actually can't, Like it's all

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<v Speaker 2>the worst people in the world are going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing their things and and apparently without consequence, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how many movies you make about them or protest songs.

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<v Speaker 2>So no art failed, Like great, sorry is this new

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone? Like I'm twenty twenty five, Like look the

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<v Speaker 2>look at the failed American experiment? Tell me, like movies

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<v Speaker 2>are revel to change lives or whatever lofty sentiment these

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<v Speaker 2>people put out, like cool, they're movies. Good, good for

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<v Speaker 2>making them. I see a lot of movies. I like

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<v Speaker 2>going to the movies, but like, as far as buy

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<v Speaker 2>a hook line and sinker for this, I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>how dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think we get here quite so fast. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew we would get here eventually, not in the first

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<v Speaker 1>five to ten minutes. I mean, folks, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to remind everyone who's listening right now that we

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<v Speaker 1>are both recovering slash retired entertainment journalists. So for a

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<v Speaker 1>solid decade, Awards season in general was the busiest time

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, and the Oscars specifically was an extremely long,

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<v Speaker 1>grueling couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a little bit of ptsdy at play. Here

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<v Speaker 2>was at like six pm to whenever it raps. I

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<v Speaker 2>get home at like three or four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you, even though you were told not

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<v Speaker 1>to get up the next morning, you were sort of

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<v Speaker 1>unofficially expected to get up like a second click hot take, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah. For a long time, there was not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that was fun about the Oscars for us. So

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<v Speaker 1>while friends had viewing parties, we were loaded into the

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<v Speaker 1>war room or a corporate conference room, packed with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most stressed out people you could ever imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>some of whom wearing suspenders, and we'd be writing as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as we could until two or three in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>desperately trying to find new ways to describe a ball gown.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a few years, but I think the PTSD

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<v Speaker 1>is worn off, and I'm at least finally.

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<v Speaker 2>Able to watch the Oscars for pleasure again, which is

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<v Speaker 2>good because they actually mean an awful lot to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this about me, Heigel.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very very very special episode for me

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<v Speaker 1>because in your retrospect, the Oscars are kind of my

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture origin story, though it didn't really occur to

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<v Speaker 1>me as such at the time. My mother was obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with all things Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>She should have led with this. Now, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel mad. Oh no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>She loved movies and we always had like a steady

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<v Speaker 1>stream of entertainment weekly and People magazines coming to our house,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Oscars were basically a holiday in our household.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd watched them as a little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I was a kid, she let me stay

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<v Speaker 1>up way past my bedtime and watched them with her.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was always her dream to go to the Oscars,

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<v Speaker 1>but she never got to make it.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little older and went to film school to study screenwriting,

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<v Speaker 1>which I came to completely on my own, I just

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<v Speaker 1>loved writing and I like you loved the movies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the dream that everybody at school with me

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<v Speaker 2>had to go to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars was a little extra potent for me because it

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<v Speaker 1>had this emotional resonance. Now, I have not gotten nominated

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<v Speaker 1>for a screenplay Oscar, not yet, not yet. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was sent to cover the eighty fifth Annual Academy Awards

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirteen when I was working for VH one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got the assignment like two weeks before the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And to call it a dream come true was the

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<v Speaker 1>understatement of the century. When I set foot on the

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<v Speaker 1>red carpet, I think I got a little taste of

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<v Speaker 1>what Neil Armstrong felt. It was just it was just

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy, coming from this little New England town suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>being there on the red carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really really special.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, meeting George Clooney and Jennifer Lawrence

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<v Speaker 1>and Hathaway and all that stuff was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Anne Harvey Weinstein that was less cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But the best part for me was just being there

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<v Speaker 1>because I felt like I got in there for both

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<v Speaker 1>of us, my mom and me, and that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just really special.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is one of those rare moments when my

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<v Speaker 1>personal and professional highlights kind of merge.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't believe you've set me up for that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>encourage all of my worst tendencies, and then you like

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<v Speaker 2>break the sincerity sound barrier that was so sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, I mean it'll make you feel a little

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<v Speaker 1>better because I we're about to tell so many horrible

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<v Speaker 1>stories that would have probably made my mom hate the movies.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not quite a sentimental that's my setup. What

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<v Speaker 2>have you believe?

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<v Speaker 1>But God, I know I say this at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of like every episode lately, but this is quite possibly

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<v Speaker 1>the longest episode to date. Ah, that's the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, strap in bitches.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, no fact teasers for you. We're diving right in,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen. Here's everything you didn't know about the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say. Starts playing the playoff music. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>go to wrap it up.

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<v Speaker 1>As we delve into the ultimate episode of Movie Magic,

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<v Speaker 1>we unfortunately need to mention Louis B. Mayor, the original

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<v Speaker 1>cigar chopping executive and the villain of our recent Wizard

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<v Speaker 1>of Oz two, for you may remember. For those who

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<v Speaker 1>might have forgotten, Louis B. Mayor was the head of

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<v Speaker 1>MGM Studios and the first man to earn over a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars a year in nineteen thirty's depression era money.

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<v Speaker 1>Presumably looking for more things to control, Louis B. Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>came up with the idea of the Academy of Motion

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<v Speaker 1>Picture Arts and Sciences in nineteen twenty seven. Basically, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a way to union bust. He was designed to mediate

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<v Speaker 1>labor disputes within the industry without the use of actual unions.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's something I will talk about on the Oscars

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<v Speaker 1>red carpet. The first official organizational meeting of the Academy

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<v Speaker 1>was held the Biltmore Hotel in May nineteen twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>where Douglas Fairbanks Senior, a very famous silver screen erasilent Erastar,

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<v Speaker 1>was elected its first president, and it took roughly a

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<v Speaker 1>year for serious discussions to evolve about a proposed award

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<v Speaker 1>of merit that would be dispensed once a year by

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<v Speaker 1>the Academy. By the summer of nineteen twenty eight, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>landed on twelve categories to honor outstanding achievements in cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>These included familiar favorites like Best Actor and Actress, Best

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<v Speaker 1>Original Writing and Best Adapted Writing, Best Art Direction, Best

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<v Speaker 1>cinematography and Engineering effects.

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<v Speaker 2>As well as some unusual stuff like best title Writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, this would have been in the era when

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<v Speaker 2>they had to do all that, right. Well yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well this is interesting too.

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<v Speaker 1>Best Direction was divided into comedy and drama categories.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two Best Director categories. Well, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's like Golden Globes do that too, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the Globes do. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you take the long view of the Oscars,

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<v Speaker 2>it does seem like the ponderous has often won out

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<v Speaker 2>over the joyous. That is correct, That is absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is interesting too.

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<v Speaker 1>They had two different Best Picture categories. They had Most

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<v Speaker 1>Unique and Artistic Picture, as well as Outstanding Picture, which

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate. It's like one for the big swings and

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<v Speaker 1>one for the technically great crowd favorite. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't they talking about doing that recently for like all

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<v Speaker 2>the Marvel movies that are like technical abominations but used

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<v Speaker 2>to make a lot of money and now they don't anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But like they were talking about like best best money Maker. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't it was like box office achievement or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Gross. Oh, that's really the sky. Box office achievements made

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of money, Like you don't know what the okay?

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<v Speaker 1>That really that makes me mad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the money is for. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 2>The funniest thing about this is this is me being

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<v Speaker 2>way too online? Is I think this goes back to Marty, Marty,

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<v Speaker 2>my sweet sweet Marty yep calling the Disney Marvel's like

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<v Speaker 2>amusement park rides or whatever, and all of these people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, flipped out. And one of the Russo brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>who were like the House Marvel directors for a little

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<v Speaker 2>while and are widely credited or blamed with establishing like

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<v Speaker 2>the house style and look of those movies, boa in

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<v Speaker 2>one of these clips like, uh, Marty's like his dog

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<v Speaker 2>is named Oscar, so he's like, come on Oscar, like

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<v Speaker 2>on his Instagram or something, and one of the Russo

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<v Speaker 2>brothers filmed a similar clip where he was like that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't hurt my feelings, like all right, come on box

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<v Speaker 2>office and everyone was like, oh, let's talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>now in the discourse like uh, and yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>God man, James Mangold Oscar nominee James Mangold made that

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<v Speaker 2>Indie Bomb like two years ago. They're like the most

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<v Speaker 2>expensive Indiana Jones movie. Oh that kind of indie, different indie. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so like look at him, you know, it's just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's totally meritocracy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, though, I thought it was interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>Anara won all those awards because it almost seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>a big middle finger from the Academy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Like huge studio, massive budget films like that. Was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Yeah, I mean there's this idea that for

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<v Speaker 2>a while it was like genuine people in the trades

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, but the probably those people don't die, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and unlike being an actor, you're not like forced off screen,

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<v Speaker 2>so they just like hung out there giving oscars like

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<v Speaker 2>Green Book. That's the Academy member right now. What was

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<v Speaker 2>the average? I mean, they did this a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 2>This was twenty twenty two. Eighty one percent of them

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<v Speaker 2>were white. Well, in twenty twelve it reached a particular nadier.

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<v Speaker 2>There were fifty one hundred members of the Academy. Ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four of them were Caucasian, seventy seven percent were male,

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty four percent were over the age of sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>A full third of them are former nominees and a

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<v Speaker 2>fifth of them were winners. So in twenty sixteen, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Oscar so White thing took off and they were like, okay, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>like what message received? But like that was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve was not that long ago. Yeah, no, decades.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just run by a bunch of old crackers. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>can I not say that. I don't know anyway, intent

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<v Speaker 2>is crucial, I intend to hurt. Yes, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's that's that's crazy, Like I mean, of

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<v Speaker 2>course they're actors. They're they're they're actors. But like just

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that if you're a nominee and you're voting,

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<v Speaker 2>you have some kind of score to settle.

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<v Speaker 1>Right oh yes, yes, oh yeah, anyway, I mean taking

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<v Speaker 1>it all the way back to the beginning, it hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really evolved much. The first Academy Awards ceremony took like

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<v Speaker 1>at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel on May sixteenth, nineteen twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Tickets for the private dinner cost five dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Adjusted for inflation, that's only like ninety three bucks. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how crazy, Like ticketing his guy you could ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three bucks will get you parking lot tickets to see

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift.

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<v Speaker 1>And the presentation ceremony, hosted by Douglas Fairbanks, who's the

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<v Speaker 1>Academy president you'll remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Lasted just fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>At the other end of the spectrum, the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two ceremony lasted four hours and twenty three minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>They are about two hundred and seventy guests, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was no suspense because the results had been announced in February,

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<v Speaker 1>three months earlier and printed in the Academy's newsletter. The

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<v Speaker 1>inaugural Best Actor was a german Man named Emil Jannings,

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<v Speaker 1>who won for his performance in two movies which I

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<v Speaker 1>don't fully understand, The Last Command and The Way of

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<v Speaker 1>All Flesh. That's quite a title.

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<v Speaker 2>His career, uh kind of declined after that.

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<v Speaker 1>He was rejected from talkies due to his thick journ

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<v Speaker 1>An accent, and it returned to his homeland where he

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<v Speaker 1>fell in with Joseph Goebels and his propaganda machine and

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<v Speaker 1>starred in multiple films promoting Nazism. Then, when the Allies

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<v Speaker 1>stormed Berlin in nineteen forty five, Yachtings reportedly carried his

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar statuette around with him in the street to win

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<v Speaker 1>over the American GIS and to demonstrate his former allegiance

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<v Speaker 1>to the US, which I find to be truly one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most amazing instances of don't you know who

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<v Speaker 1>I am ing in Hollywood history?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's up there. Yeah. Did it work? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know. I'm unclear. Man, what a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of Yeah in Shermans Yeah, movie Magic, Yeah, Operation

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<v Speaker 2>paper Clip. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The first ever Academy Award for Outstanding Picture, as it

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<v Speaker 1>was known then, went to Wings, not the nineties TV show,

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<v Speaker 1>but a nineteen twenty seven everyone Loves Wings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was like my first grade teacher's favorite TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember everybody loved Wings.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, this was a nineteen twenty seven silent movie

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<v Speaker 1>that told the story of two pilots in love with

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<v Speaker 1>the same woman. The film costs two million dollars to produce,

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<v Speaker 1>which was put it kind of high on Melissa the

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<v Speaker 1>most expensive movies at that point. Oh, the next line,

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<v Speaker 1>making it the most expensive movie of its time. I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this up until the release of The Artist in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve. Wings was the only silent film to win

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<v Speaker 1>Best Picture.

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<v Speaker 2>God remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was a weird little blip. Huh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever happened to that guy? And they just take him

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<v Speaker 2>out back and shoot him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's French. He's probably fine. Yeah, she probably be fine

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<v Speaker 1>over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the dog. Everyone loved the dog so much. That

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<v Speaker 2>dog's I forgot about the dog. Yeah, for you, dog's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's confirm that.

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<v Speaker 1>I go confirm, ihig, I put you on dog confirmation duty.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, I have other things to read, but check it.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the dog's name? That's a great part trivia question.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell is the dog's name Uggie in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie or real life?

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<v Speaker 2>Real life? Of course, the dog died. It died in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen of what vaxed? Oh wow, oh here this

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<v Speaker 2>will interest you.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially, there were only two performance categories, Best Actor and

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<v Speaker 1>Best Actress. Naturally, performers with smaller parts would lose out

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<v Speaker 1>to those with bigger parts in every sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't bring Milton Borough into this.

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<v Speaker 1>To combat this, the Academy introduced the Best Supporting Actor

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<v Speaker 1>and Actresses category. In nineteen thirty six, the seventh Annual

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<v Speaker 1>Academy awards. However, for a time, these winners kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got shafted. Instead of a full blown oscar, they received

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<v Speaker 1>a plaque mounted on a wooden alongside a small raised

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<v Speaker 1>oscar figurine, and supporting players didn't receive the same statuette

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<v Speaker 1>as their starring peers until nineteen forty three. While on

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<v Speaker 1>the topic of unfair oscar fights, the Academy opted to make.

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<v Speaker 2>A juvenile award in the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently after fifty something year old Lionel Barrymore went head

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<v Speaker 1>to head with nine year old Jackie Cooper, he literally

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<v Speaker 1>fell asleep during the ceremony because it was past this bedtime.

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<v Speaker 2>What made him exempt from the Judy Garland pep pill diet.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they have a ceremony. What a grateful little fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's like a ceremony. It's like kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood equivalent of a bar mitzvah. It's like, you are

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<v Speaker 1>now old enough to consume these decks. Adream you are

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<v Speaker 1>now a man at twelve I'll say twelve, maybe eleven?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One.

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<v Speaker 1>Like many men of his era, Lionel Barrymore didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of satisfaction in beating a child. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt like his oscar was somewhat cheap and by

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the lowly competition. So to avoid another awkward incident, the

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Academy instituted the Juvenile Award, which it presented during the

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.439
<v Speaker 1>seventh ceremony Yeah Oh Yeah, which it first presented in

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.959
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty four. The first recipient was six year old

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<v Speaker 1>Shirley Temple, quote in grateful recognition of her outstanding contribution

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<v Speaker 1>to screen entertainment during the year nineteen thirty four. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the Juvenile Statue didn't solve the bedtime problem, and upon

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>receiving the half sized Oscar trophy, a drowsy Temple thanked

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the presenter before asking Mommy, can I go home now?

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I assumed that was scripted and said in a cute way,

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 1>because if it was a genuine request for rest, she

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<v Speaker 1>would have gone hinged.

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<v Speaker 2>She would have gotten pinched so hard in her soft forearm.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>A total of twelve Juvenile Awards would be handed out

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 1>over the next three decades. Recipients included newly minted Enemy

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>of the Pod, Nicky Rooney, Judy Garland, and Bobby Driscoll,

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 1>The Doomed Child Star and Disney Kid who acted in

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Treasure Island, Song of the South, and served as the

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 1>model and voice actor for Peter Pan before falling on

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>extremely hard times. Do you know the Bobby Driskell story.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, actually, Okay, it's one of the more on

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the nose ones in Hollywood history because of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the model for Peter Pam.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he never grew up. Yeah in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean he died at thirty one, but like emotionally,

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>he never really found his way out of child stardom.

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of the archetypical doomed child star. As a

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>late teen, I think he pistol whips some guy for

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>making rude comments when he was washing his girlfriend's car. Oh,

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.959
<v Speaker 1>he almost went to jail, got out of it. Then

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>he became a heroin addict and went to prison. Upon

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>his release, he fell in with the Warhol crowd, which

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>is interesting, but struggled to find work, or at least

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>work that paid. He'd say, I have found that memories

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>are not very useful. I eat on a silver platter

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>and then dumped into the garbage.

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>His end is.

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the saddest stories we've ever discussed on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Per his Wikipedia page.

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<v Speaker 1>On March thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight, two boys playing in

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>a deserted East Village tenement on Tenth Street found Driskell's

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>body lying on a cot with two empty beer bottles

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>and religious pamphlets scattered on the ground. A post mortem

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>examination determined he died from heart failure caused by advanced

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>anthrosclerosis his drug use. He had no identification on him,

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and photos shown around the neighborhood yielded no positive id.

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>His unclaimed body was buried in an unmarked popper's grave

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>in New York City's Potter's Field on Heart Island. Late

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty nine, a full year and a half

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<v Speaker 1>after his death, Driscoll's mother sought the help of officials

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>at Disney Studios to contact him for a hoped for

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>reunion with his father, who was nearing death. This resulted

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>in a fingerprint match at New York City Police Department,

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>which located his burial on Heart Island. Although his name

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 1>appears on his father's gravestone at Eternal Hills Memorial Park

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 1>in Oceanside, California, Bobby Duscoll's remains still remain in his

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Pauper's Grave on Heart Island movie Magice. Yeah, that's that's rough.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>That's a rough one. One of the rougher ones in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Back to the Juvenile Oscar Bay, Hey, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to Pollyanna.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Now, great, okay, Pollyanna will get us out of us.

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<v Speaker 1>So Juvenile Oscar was last presented in nineteen sixty one

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 1>to Hailey Mills for Pollyanna. In a nice full circle moment.

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Hailey Mills was away at boarding school in England and

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 1>couldn't attend the ceremony, So the last Juvenile Oscar was

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>accepted by its first winner, Shirley Temple, who at that

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>point was grown up in I think working for the

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>un or something, which's like, no, she had like a

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>crazy life. She was like an ambassador.

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure yeah yeah, but just imagining her coming back,

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>they're like, do the voice, Yeah, the voice.

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like seeing Jerry Matthews who plays Beaver Cleaver now

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>it's like his face still looks like the.

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Beaver, even though he's like eighty. It's not it's scary.

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Bobby just came out ahead the youngest person to

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 1>win a competitive Oscar was Tatum O'Neill, who starred alongside

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:31.959
<v Speaker 1>her father Ryan O'Neill, noted Batterer in nineteen seventy three's

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Paper Moon. Tatum was just ten years old when she

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 1>accepted the Best Supporting Actress Oscar Claude in a tiny tuxedo.

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of overachievers, to date, there are only six people

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>in Oscar history who've won two Oscars by the age

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>of thirty. Betty Davis were Dangerous and Jezebel Luis Rainier

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>for The Great Zigfield and The Good Earth, Jody I

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Had No Idea, Jody Foster for The Accused and Silence

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Lambs, Hilary Swang for Boys Don't Cry a

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Million Dollar Baby, and Billie Eilish and Phineas O'Connell.

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<v Speaker 2>I still think. I don't think. I'm sorry. I know

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 2>best This is going to sound like a hot take,

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I think best Song is not the same thing. No, Yeah,

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>that's like a Grammy adjacent Yeah no, but.

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, what is she competing against Meryl Streep?

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Like, No, the best Song seems like a young person's game.

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, Yes, that was for the theme,

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the Bond theme No Time to Die and what was

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>I made for?

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>From Barbie? That's a beautiful song, Oh it is?

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, taking nothing away from their music.

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you're over the age of thirty and haven't

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>won an Oscar and that's you know, kind of a

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>thing you want to happen, all is not lost. Anthony

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Hopkins became the oldest performance Oscar winner in twenty twenty

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>one at the age of eighty three for his role

0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>in The Father.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what more Academy appropriate move could there be to

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>nominate an old guy who was asleep at the time

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>that he won, and then making him win over the

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>beloved younger black actor who died horribly after completing a

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>flurry of projects. He beat Cheswick those Man. Yeah, that

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>was the Chadwick here Man oh Man, because he'd done

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I think he was up for mal Rainey's but he's

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>also done to Five Bloods and something else and it

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>was just like again, just like banging out stuff. And

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 2>then because he had stomach cancer. Whoa.

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>The record for the oldest Oscar winner had previously been

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>held by Christopher Plummer. A Captain von Trapp, who became

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the oldest Oscar winner in twenty twelve at the age

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of eighty two for the ironically named Beginners. And I

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>only mentioned him because he still holds the record for

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the oldest performance nomination when he got the nod in

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen for All the Money in.

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 2>The World at the age of eighty eight.

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for him, Yeah, good for him, I say. I

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>like Christopher Plummer. Yeah, what's he done? I mean other

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.120
<v Speaker 2>than the movies. I mean, like he's got no controversies,

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 2>does he?

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. He used to call the sound of music

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the sound of mucus. He hated it. Yeah, well, I

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know, don't quit the hit well as the weirdness

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>of our best Supporting Actor in juvenile categories probably illustrates.

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>The Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts and sciences were still

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>finding their footing in the early days and generally making

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 2>up the rules as they went along. This included their

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>stands on eligibility. For example, when the jazz singer Blew

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's mind in nineteen twenty seven for being the first

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>mainstream talkie, the Academy judges decided it was ineligible for

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the first ever Outstanding Picture honors since the whole sound

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 2>gimmick gave it an unfair advantage over the competition.

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:46.959
<v Speaker 1>I get that.

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I respect that decision honestly, No, I don't know. I mean,

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>if all the other movies are silent, I fine. To

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 2>make it up to Warner Brothers, the studio that made

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 2>The Jazz Singer, The Academy gave them an Extra Special

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Award for trying the hardest Extra Special Award, the first

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Oscars for quote producing The Jazz Singer, the pioneer Outstanding

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Talking Picture, which has revolutionized the industry. It was a

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 2>forerunner of how scared the Academy would be of any

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of technology for decades. In nineteen eighty two, Tron

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 2>greenlit by my favorite head of Disney with a head

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>injury for college football guy Roger Avery. They disqualified it

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>for Best Visual Effects because they decided that the computer

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 2>was cheating. I mean, how do you feel about that? Well,

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>if they could only see Yeah, again, I guess I

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 2>get it. Like the idea of the apple, it's like there,

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I get that their basic thing is trying to do

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>keep apples from oranges in or or was as they

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>were adjusting all this ridiculous stuff like, yeah, I.

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Mean maybe it was the AI argument. Like back then

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>it was like, wait a minute, but people make things

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>with their hands, not with this like thing.

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess I could see that, but I don't know, man,

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>it just seems really stupid. But what was I expecting

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>considering how they did old Charlie talk about Charlie Chaplin.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I wonder about the first one to actually win. Here's

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a great question. Was what was it one of

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:19.959
<v Speaker 2>the would it have been one of the Star Wars?

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>What was the question? First Special Effects Oscar for CGI?

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>It would surprise no one that the most awards is

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 2>ILM with fifteen and for them. Okay, so I'm gonna

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and say the first one that really relied

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 2>heavily on computer stuff would have been the ABYSS in

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine because prior to that year, prior to had

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 2>been who framed Roger Rabbit And that was basically as

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>we've discussed, like compositing and a lot of other sophisticated

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff still but even just like rotoscoping and things. So

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the Abyss is probably the one that broke open the CGI. Yeah,

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>because then two years later it was Terminator two. Then

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>death becomes her then Jurassic Park, then Forrest Gump, so

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>those were all a lot of computer heavy ones. Anyway,

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny. All the podcasts I've been listening to

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:10.959
<v Speaker 2>have been doing all their oscar stuff, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>nothing more fun than hearing people run down oscar statistics.

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>We are, um, so yeah, man, this Charlie Chaplin story

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>is wild. It's Charlie Chaplain, dude. They were like, they

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't let him compete for which movie was this? Oh?

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it was for a movie called The Circus.

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. They wrote him a letter and gave him

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>a special gave him a special award.

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>They gave two special wards, one to the jazz singer,

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>one of Charlie Chaplin at the first Oscars.

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the judges have unanimously decided that your name should

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>be removed from the competitive classes and that a special

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>first Award be conferred upon you for writing, acting, and

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>directing the film The Circus. The collective accomplishments thus displayed

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>placed you in a class by yourself.

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:00.959
<v Speaker 1>That's a nice thing to say, but is it.

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Because they were worried that he would sweep a writing

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting? Huh? The bulk of Charlie's work that everyone's

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>familiar with and made him a star is in this

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 2>silent era, so you know, a well for him pre Oscar. Yeah.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Though he was awarded an honorary troph for the first ceremony,

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Chaplain only earned a single competitive Oscar in his lifetime,

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.879
<v Speaker 2>and it took us solid two decades to even see

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the light of day technically. In October nineteen fifty two,

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Chaplain sailed to his native London to promote Limelight, was

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>a film he'd again written, directed, scored, and starred in.

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>On his return to the United States, he denied a

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 2>re entry visa on orders of the Justice Department, which

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>was investigating his alleged communist times. The rumors would prove

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 2>to be totally unfounded shocker, but the US Attorney General

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>labeled him quote an unsavory character. Limelight was picketed by

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 2>veterans groups like the American Legion, and the film was

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 2>pulled from theaters soon after your premiere. Further openings across

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the country were canceled since the Academy required films to

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>have a public screening in Los Angeles in order to

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>be eligible for an Oscar. Limelight was excluded from competition,

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and Chaplain said this was hurt him so much that

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 2>he would never come to the United States again. For

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty years, Chaplain stag Truder's word living in Switzerland, and

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 2>then in nineteen seventy two the Academy was like, eh,

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll throw you one. Gave him a second honorary Oscar

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>for quote, the incalculable effect he has always had in

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>making motion pictures the art form of this century. I

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 2>mean they hadn't heard Steely Dan yet, so that's fine.

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Chaplin actually opted to return to Hollywood and received the

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>honored person and it was a triumphant homecoming. He received

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.879
<v Speaker 2>a twelve minute standing ovation for just getting on stage.

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 2>It's an Oscar's record. Yeah. Accepting his award, he said,

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>words seem so futile, so feeble. I can only say

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>thank you for the honor of inviting me here. Like

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the short ones man, they're just class here, you know.

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Joe Peshi, you know, kept it classy with his It

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>gets better though. Yes. Limelight was actually given it a

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 2>wide American release that December, and months later the film,

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>which was by then twenty years old, earned Chaplin his

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>only Oscar in the competitive category for Best Original Dramatic Score,

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and his co writers Raymond Rash and Larry Russell, had

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 2>died decades earlier and were given Foster and the Awards. Wow,

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Bobby mad that's movie magic, American xenophobia, gliding into the

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>nostalgia industrial complex and the motion pictured the industry desired

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 2>to filate itself. I mean, it's just all Rich Milange. So,

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 2>as we mentioned earlier, the winners at the first ever

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Oscars were known in advance. However, for the second ceremony

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty, the Academy decided to withhold the names

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of the winners until being announced on stage, in an

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>effort to create some drama and suspense. This being showbiz real,

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>these are all real Broadway Danny Rose kind of guy.

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just razzle, dazzle, fossy posse, Foster mondays. However,

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the Academy consented to handing out the list of winners

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>to the newspapers on the condition that they agreed to

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a strict embargo. Nothing would be published until eleven PM

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>on the night of the Oscars ceremony. This worked for

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 2>a decade, which is like remarkably the better Angels of

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>humanity winning out there. Then in nineteen forty, the La

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Times jumped the gun and printed the winners in the

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 2>evening edition of the paper, and therefore everyone going to

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the awards, including Clark Gable and Vivian Lay because this

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>was gone with the wind sweep year, knew that that

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>was going to happen before they arrived. God, what were

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 2>those vibes, Francis, Yeah, oh my god, because all the

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>races would have been already riled up for Haddie McDaniel. Yep,

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Yeah, bad, bad vibes. And it was

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>hell at the place where our k was.

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Assassinated a couple decades later. Terrible fives and pass through down?

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can we go there?

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Tore it down?

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Trust me, I'm very bummed about it. Yeah, I know.

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>So the next year the Academy instituted the top secret

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 2>system that involved sealed envelopes, and by this point the

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>oscars had already employed Price Waterhouse in their pre Cooper

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:27.240
<v Speaker 2>days when they were Price Waterhouse overdrive to help handle

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the vote, to help handle the vote counting so that

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>no one could accuse the Academy reading the outcome. And

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 2>this was largely due to an uproar over Betty Davis

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 2>not waiting for her performance in nineteen thirty fives of

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Human Bondage. Still they get a.

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Third party in there to be like, no, we're not

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>raking this because we don't hate Betty Davis.

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well Betty Davis had shooters out there. Yeah she did,

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 2>still does. Yeah.

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:56.919
<v Speaker 2>What if we did like the gayest most completely out

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of left field thing and just did whatever happened to

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Baby Jane for absolutely zero reason that came up in

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>something recently. I think it was a visit of oz One.

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It always comes up naturally, and so Price, Waterhouse, Cooper,

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 2>and Young were given the task of tallying the Academy

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 2>votes and keeping the outcome a secret until showtime. This

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>generally worked pretty well until twenty seventeen, when PDBC accountant

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Brian cullinan a good Irish boy, was too busy tweeting

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 2>a picture of Emma Stone, who won Best Actress that night,

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to focus on his lone job of handing the correct

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 2>envelope to Best Picture presenters Faye Dunaway and Warren Batty Man.

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 2>You had one job except yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Wolf.

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 2>This led to the infamous moment where La La Land

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 2>was announced his best picture rather than Moonlight. A source

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 2>told people that cullin in was asked not to tweet

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>during the oscarson and that tending to the envelopes quote

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>was to be his only focus. That tweet has since

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 2>been deleted and and Coulinon is no longer working at

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Price Waterhouse Coopers and Fire. How many more of those

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>are there? Yeah, the category at fire friend of Fire.

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>There was yet another cringe worthy Oscars mix up at

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the twenty seventeen ceremony that understandably got overshadowed by envelope gate.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>This one involved another sensitive aspect of the show, the

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 2>in memoriam segment. Shamefully, this year they gave they did

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>they should have done a whole thing for David.

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Lynch Man that that made me w yeah, yeah, it

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>probably would have been him if it wasn't for the

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>gene actmen.

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean yeah, you absolutely know that if

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>anything had been planned, they were like, hmmm acts, the

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>lynch pull out, the pull out, the gene. They had

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>a premontage for him like who is his friend? Morgan?

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.479
<v Speaker 1>I told you my dream piece that I've always wanted

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>to do, but I know if I did it, I

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:57.959
<v Speaker 1>would never work again. Is like a New Yorker thing

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:00.919
<v Speaker 1>and the title is this is what Happens when you die.

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like a five thousand word like deep

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>dive expose and like what it's like in newsrooms when

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>like a major celebrity dies, and just all the gross,

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>weird calls that have to be made and decisions and yeah,

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that stuff. I mean, I hate that stuff,

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>but I love that stuff.

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 2>That's why we're not doing it anymore. Ye, but talk

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 2>more about why. Oh for this one. The memorium segment

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 2>at twenty seventeen was so bad. Well, firstly, fans of

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 2>comedian Gary Shandling were miffed that the Academy left him

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 2>out completely. But then an Australian film producer named jan

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Chapman at a bizarre moment, as Sarah Burrella is saying

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 2>a somber rendition of Joni Mitchell's both Sides Now, Chapman

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>was horrified to see her own face flash across the

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 2>stream during the montage. The ceremonies organizer had mistakenly paired

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 2>her image with the name of costume designer Janet Patterson,

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>who had died the previous October. Chapman, who had actually

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>worked with Patterson on the Last Days of Shenu in

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.479
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. In nineteen ninety Three's the Piano, told

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Variety that she was devastated by the mistake in the telecast.

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I am alive and well and an active producer, she said.

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 1>My daily affirmation.

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be that offended. Jesus tell it back, lady producers.

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 2>The Moonlight La Llaland fiasco wasn't the only time a

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 2>percenter has read the wrong name at the Oscars. During

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the thirty sixth Annual Academy Awards in nineteen sixty four,

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Sammy Davis Junior was tasked with presenting the winner for

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Best Scoring of Music. Why was it called that?

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I forget they had a lot of weird music

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>technicality things for a while.

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>He was given an envelope with the winner listed as

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 2>John Addison for the film Tom Jones, which is different.

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm just hearing now from this Welsh singer Tom Jones.

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Different.

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, with Albert Finney. He's a real rascal, that's all

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 2>I remember. I'm to understand that this is not a

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 2>biographic biotic The Welsh shak the well sing singer Tom Jones,

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>the man not about the man who has Pantsy's thrown

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 2>at him repeatedly. Yes, No, he's got a big voice,

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>big big, and he dances. I love his dancing.

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 1>There's a really good version of burning down the House

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>with the woman from the Cardigans of Love Full Fame.

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh you've sent me that? Yeah, it's great. Did Tom

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Jones everyone in Oscar the good one? Not a good one?

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Or no, I mean Tom Jones. Did Tom Jones parentheses

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>the good one ever? Winning on? I don't think so,

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>but this one did.

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, here, get back to the story. We'll come back

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>to this. People realize fairly quickly that there was an issue,

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 2>considering the fact that Tom Jones again the movie wasn't

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 2>even nominated for the category. Davis explained the mix up

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 2>on stage and made a bit out of it, donning

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 2>reading glasses when he was handed the correct envelope. The

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>category with John Addison was up next, and after reading

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 2>through the nominees, Sammy Davis like a pro joked guess

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>who the winner is? That's pretty good. Yeah. Both of

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>those incidents, Moonlight and Tom Jones again. I cannot stress

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 2>this enough the movie and not the singer. We're due

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 2>to incorrect envelopes. But an error during the nineteen thirty

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:19.240
<v Speaker 2>four Oscars was even sillier, with even more horrifying consequences.

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh this is bad.

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Don't even don't even joke about this is this is

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>sad right here? That this what makes me sad? Well,

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>this is cringe. Yeah, okay, yeah is what this is?

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this is really bad. There were only three

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>nominees that year for Best Director. Two of them were

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>named Frank, Frank Lloyd and Frank Capra. And you see

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:43.439
<v Speaker 2>it was gone. Yeah. Oscars host Will Rogers of hanging

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.919
<v Speaker 2>around with a horse fame and quotes. Yeah, and being

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 2>way more important to like the generation that wrote all

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the pop culture books that I read growing up than

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>he ever was to me or anyone else that is correct.

0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Why did I have to know so much about Will

0:45:58.360 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Rogers growing up?

0:45:59.360 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Because he was?

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 2>But his words failed him This night she delivered that

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 2>like a papal edict. His words failed him.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>That night.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>He cast his pros before swine, so Will Rogers, famous

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:30.439
<v Speaker 2>horse officionado. Will Rogers announced the winner by saying, come

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>on up and get it. Frank and Frank Capra, that

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 2>huge softy known for directing some of the most saccharine

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>movies in the history of the medium, made it almost

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 2>all the way up to the stage before he realized

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 2>that the spotlight was on Frank Lloyd, who was approaching

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the podium from the other side of the room.

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's bad, but but Will Rogers. He tried to

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>save it, and I appreciate what he did here.

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he tried to call up the third nominee, George Kukor,

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 2>to join the two Francs on stage. In his autobiography,

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Capra elaborated on the incident with the sentiment that you

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>would expect it'd be creative. He was just like, I

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 2>promise to address it, and he was like, I'm over it.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I went to therapy. He called it the longest, saddest,

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 2>most shattering walk in my life, saying I wish I

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:32.359
<v Speaker 2>could have crawled under the rug like a miserable worm.

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Worms out here catching strays from Frank Capra, prick an

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 2>indispensable part of the ecosystem. What have you done? Certainly

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>win an Oscar in nineteen thirty four, I get I

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 2>know he won the next year. All right, I'm doing

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a bit Jesus Christ, won't you let me work? Run tug?

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I know how Anna Hawthaway felt m when I slumped

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 2>in my chair, I felt like one the worm, not

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Ann Hathaway or Bolsh singer Tom Jones.

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>All of my friends at the table were crying, he said,

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't Tom Jones. Yeah, and then his pants

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>fell down in a trombone music Frank Capra Uh Capper

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>got his revenge the next year when he picked up

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the best arrest oscar for it happened one night and

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 1>beat Will Rogers to death with it.

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Back to Will Rogers of the horse fame. Uh do

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you think he ever called the horse a racial slur

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:40.440
<v Speaker 2>for fun? Oh?

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Most definitely, yeah, like assuredly right, yeah, yeah.

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>The horse's name was Trigger.

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.320
<v Speaker 1>That was Roy Rogers. Different, different.

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 2>What it was in my head. Will Rogers also like tauruses,

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't they I'm thinking Roy Rogers, not Will Rogers. Will Rogers, Oh.

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, Will Rogers.

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 2>He was like a a folks see was he a

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 2>singing cowboy?

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he was singing, but he was

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>like a Midwestern like humorist. But he had like like

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 1>a western tinge to him. Okay, he was born a

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 1>citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I didn't know that. No. Oh, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>vaudeville guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him because he's like,

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, I never met a man I didn't like like,

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 1>he was always very like quotable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah man. Oh he began his

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 2>show business career as a trick roper. That's cool. In

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Check's notes, South Africa, that's maybe not cool. He went

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to South Africa via Argentina. Will Rogers fascinating life. Yeah,

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 2>hous just burned down the pulsates fire. He's long dead though,

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.239
<v Speaker 2>so it's okay, So all this time, he's not the

0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:00.919
<v Speaker 2>cowboy guy. He's a cowboy guv Is that the cowboy guy?

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely Roy Rogers, who I was thinking, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 2>do you know what his horse's name was? Getting back

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 2>to this whole event, Soap SuDS?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that sounds familiar.

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's a statue of Rogers riding his horse Soap SuDS,

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<v Speaker 2>on the campus of Texas Tech.

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 1>How about that? How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's make this episode you just get

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 2>even louder or longer. I should say, but back to

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 2>will not Roy or Tom Jones. Uh, guy did it

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<v Speaker 2>again in the same ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said, he's not a good These are some

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 1>rookie present to Garis.

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.879
<v Speaker 2>They should have gotten Roy Rogers. When he came down

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to award Best Actress trophy, he summoned two of the

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>three nominees, Diana Wynard and May robson to the stage.

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Both women assumed that there had been a tie and

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 2>were very excited. Ben Rodgers thanked them for their great

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 2>performances before announcing the real winner was Catherine Hepburn then seated,

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that feels like I'm so I'm that's that's mean girl being.

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<v Speaker 1>On stage when you learn you have lost it's incredible.

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>He's like the doctor from Arrested Development.

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:16.879
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, yeah, we couldn't save him. No, And

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>this was not even the most mortifying gaff in Oscar's history.

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Back in the thirties, an impostor actually went up on

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 2>stage and just simply walked off with an Oscar. That's great,

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and you gotta admire the direct approach. It went down

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty eight when a woman named Alice Brady

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 2>was nominated for Best supporting actress for her role in

0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the film in Old Chicago. When the big night arrived,

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 2>she was too ill to attend. When her name was called.

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 2>After she won, an unknown man went up on the

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 2>stage and collected it. Oscar officials assumed he was accepting

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.439
<v Speaker 2>on Brady's behalf, but he was not. The man made

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 2>off with the plaque is supporting actors weren't given a statue,

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>as they should never be. The man made off of

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 2>the plat and it's gone forever. He ate it. We

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 2>had it melted down to this day. No one knows

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 2>who the man was or the big whereabouts of the

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 2>black But you you've said, you've found some people who

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:10.839
<v Speaker 2>think it's a myth.

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but or at least not misunderstanding. But I choose

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 1>to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, print the legend as you said, Yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of Oscars theft, we have to talk about

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the great Oscars heist of y two k in the.

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Year two thousand.

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>In the year two thousand, a crate containing fifty five

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Oscar statuettes was stolen from a loading dock in bell California,

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.840
<v Speaker 1>four days before the ceremony. Four days were the Oscars.

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 1>The statuettes go missing. Reportedly, the factory responsible for producing

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the oscars worked around the clock to craft another batch

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>in time. Eventually, fifty two of the missing oscars were

0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:52.360
<v Speaker 1>recovered a couple days later near a dumpster behind a

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>grocery store in LA's Korea Town. A man named Willie

0:52:56.719 --> 0:53:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Foolgear was back there rummaging, reportedly some boxes to use

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 1>in an upcoming move, when he then stumbled on the

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 1>glittering statuettes. Thank god he was looking for boxes and

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>not rummaging around a dumpster behind a supermarket for the

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>more obvious reason, because finding a crate of oscars that

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 1>would have just been way too on the nose for

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like commentary on Hollywood Today, it would be, Yeah, so

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you said that guy kept three for like him, his

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 1>wife and his kid something like that.

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they lost fifty five, only fifty two were recovered.

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I would I would assume I don't know where the

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:36.040
<v Speaker 2>other three went.

0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I that's my guess.

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Full Gear told reporters, I've got more oscars than any

0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 1>of the movie stars. He was awarded fifty thousand dollars

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 1>good for him, and also two tickets to the ceremony.

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Investigators believed that the culprits took the oscars by mistake,

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:57.040
<v Speaker 1>unaware of the crate's contents. But as we mentioned, several

0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 1>of these oscars have never been recovered to this day,

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 1>so clearly somebody kept a souvenir ever since the incident.

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.280
<v Speaker 1>The Academy Mandate said Oscar shipments are sent by plane

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 1>at not a loading dock, and accompanied by armed guards. Well,

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 1>since the initial awards banquet in May nineteen twenty nine

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 1>at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, more than thirty one hundred

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 1>statuettes have been presented.

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Is there a do you think that the security I'm

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.280
<v Speaker 2>guessing the security services like these might be armored truck guys.

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 2>But do you think if you're like the Oscar security guy,

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>like everyone else makes fun of you, like are you

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.359
<v Speaker 2>higher or lower than like a CBS security guy.

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, though, because there's a way it's almost

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 1>like the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier,

0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:42.799
<v Speaker 1>where it's like a ceremonial thing where you get it

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 1>after you get a cush job, after having like seen

0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 1>some stuff.

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's kind of that's my say. It's kind of

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:53.080
<v Speaker 2>a kind of kind of golden sunset. That's my that's

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 2>my theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but Zulander voice, Where did the Oscar statue come from?

0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.040
<v Speaker 1>In addition to Uncle Louis b the B stands for

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<v Speaker 1>Bastard Mayor. Another of the Academy's thirty six founders was

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<v Speaker 1>MGM's supervising art director, Cedric Gibbons, called this is true

0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Gibbee to his friends. He's worked at MGM since its

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<v Speaker 1>founding in nineteen twenty four and remained there until nineteen

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.640
<v Speaker 1>fifty six, becoming something of a legend in the process.

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 1>During his tenure, he designed or at least oversaw countless

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 1>MGM sets, from the Lobby of nineteen thirty two's Grand

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Hotel to the Emerald City of nineteen thirty nine is

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the Wizard of Oz to the fantastical settings of Buzzby

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Berkeley's Kaleidoscope in nineteen thirties musicals. As former Academy executive

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>director Bruce Davis notes in his excellent twenty twenty two

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 1>history The Academy and the Award, it was Cedric Gibbons

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.760
<v Speaker 1>who was tasked with creating an insignia for the Academy

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>just two weeks after its founding, he eventually crafted the

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:53.239
<v Speaker 1>design we know and love and.

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Lust over sort of well you know what I mean,

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Like he cove it. Cove it was the word I

0:55:57.880 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 2>should use, that covet.

0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a night with the Crusader's sword standing on a

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:07.760
<v Speaker 1>reel of film, and the reel, you'll notice, contains five spokes,

0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 1>signifying the five original branches of the Academy actors, directors, producers,

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:14.840
<v Speaker 1>technicians and writers.

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Gibbons then hired for.

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Just five hundred dollars a twenty six year old Los

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Angeles sculptor named George Stanley to realize his design in

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>three D. The statue was completed in nineteen twenty eight,

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and these copies were cast in bronze plated in gold,

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and a dozen were presented at the first Academy Awards

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 1>ceremony in May nineteen twenty nine. Sadly, Gibbons couldn't make

0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.720
<v Speaker 1>it to the actual ceremony, however, And this is really

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting here, this, I genuinely think will interest you. A

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:47.319
<v Speaker 1>fascinating twenty twenty four piece in The Hollywood Reporter by

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Scott Feinberg makes the connection between the Oscar design and

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<v Speaker 1>its resemblance to various statues.

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Of the Egyptian god top Ptah.

0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I imagine the p is silent.

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:02.359
<v Speaker 2>It's the title of a house, culture and album. How

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 2>does she say the I don't know how she said had.

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.240
<v Speaker 2>As Sweinberg notes in his piece, Ta is the god

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 2>of arts, crafts, and trade and has been depicted often

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:18.600
<v Speaker 2>in gold for thousands of years, is a sleek figure

0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:22.800
<v Speaker 2>standing erect with a staff in front right hand over left.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is.

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 1>All rampant speculation, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>The nineteen twenties were a time when egypt fever was

0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>gripping the nation because the discovery of King touch Tomb

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen twenty two, one of the few intact pharaoh's

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:41.760
<v Speaker 2>tombs that hadn't been raided by grave robbers. It was Mummuary,

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Mummuary all year. It was a decade. Yeah, hell yeah.

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.600
<v Speaker 1>The media attention sparked by the discovery led to worldwide

0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>interest in Egyptology, which influenced all areas of art, fashion,

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and design. In fact, the style that we now call

0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Art Deco, which is probably the most dominant design trend

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of the twenties and thirties, with notable examples being Rockefeller

0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Center and Radio City Music Hall and the Chrysler building

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>in the Empire State Building was derived from Egyptian art.

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 1>The Art Deco tag actually didn't come until decades later.

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Back in the twenties and thirties. It was called the

0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Nile style because people recognize that it was derived from

0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian art.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's better. I guess it's sillier, but I

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:24.840
<v Speaker 2>guess that's better.

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it acknowledges where it came from, and the Hollywood

0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Reporter piece Scott Feinberg theorizes, although he admits that the

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Academy has never commented on this, that perhaps the design

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 1>for the Oscar was inspired by Egyptian antiquity. But it

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>gets potentially crazier. It's more than just the design. It

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.720
<v Speaker 1>could even potentially be the Academy awards more famous nickname.

0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Quoting from Feinberg's piece, But what does any of this

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.480
<v Speaker 1>have to do with the name Oscar. Over the centuries,

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.640
<v Speaker 1>depictions of tah were merged with depictions of two other

0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 1>ancient deities, Osirius, a god of resurrection, and Socar, the

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 1>god of the afterlife, resulting in a feuterary god known

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:07.440
<v Speaker 1>as Ta Socar Osiris Socar alone reads awfully similar to Oscar,

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>as does a merger of the names Osiris and Socar. Again,

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>this is purely speculation, but Gibbons or anyone else who

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>recognized the resemblance between Tad and the Academy Award statuette

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.560
<v Speaker 1>might thereby have arrived.

0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:21.160
<v Speaker 2>At such a nickname.

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 1>So that's an interesting theory about how they Oscar got

0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 1>its name, and honestly, it's better than the actual.

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Stories that have made the rounds for decades.

0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.840
<v Speaker 1>The most prevalent theory is that Academy librarian and eventual

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:37.000
<v Speaker 1>executive director Margaret Herrick remarked that the statuette resembled her

0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 1>uncle Oscar. I personally think that is an insane thing

0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to say, because the statuette has no discernible features whatsoever

0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:48.000
<v Speaker 1>other than that he is naked and vaguely buff, which

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>honestly raises all sorts of troubling questions about Margaret Herrick's

0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>relationship with her uncle ah plus or bloss. The other,

0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:02.560
<v Speaker 1>even less believable story is also vaguely sexual. Betty Davis

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<v Speaker 1>claims she named the Academy Award the Oscar in nineteen

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:09.120
<v Speaker 1>thirty six because the statuette's rear end reminded her of

1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:11.120
<v Speaker 1>her then husband Oscar Nelson.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, what a pip she was.

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<v Speaker 1>In reality, the term oscars had been in use for

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<v Speaker 1>years before Davis's claim, and she walked it back. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing that it was a humble brag about her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hollywood journalist Sidney Skolski has made the most verifiable

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<v Speaker 1>claim for coining the term, since he's believed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the first person to use the term Oscar in the press.

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<v Speaker 1>He started calling the Academy Award an oscar in his

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<v Speaker 1>column cover in Katherine Hepburn's first Best Actress win in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty four. He said he was tired of writing

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase gold Statuette and thought he would refer to

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<v Speaker 1>an old vaudeville joke that made use of the name Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>He elaborated on this in his nineteen seventy five memoir

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get Me Wrong, I Love Hollywood. It was my

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<v Speaker 1>first Academy Awards night when I gave the Golden Statuett

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<v Speaker 1>a name. I wasn't trying to make it legiti. The

1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:04.360
<v Speaker 1>snobbery of that particular Academy Awards annoyed me. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make the gold statuette human. It was twelve thirty

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<v Speaker 1>when I finally arrived at the Western Union office on

1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.920
<v Speaker 1>will Cox to write and file my story. I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to Academy Industry and acceptance talks in seven point thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how people can rub you the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd show them acting so high and mighty about their prize.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd give it a name, a name that would erase

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<v Speaker 2>their phony dignity.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed the magic name fast fast. I remember the

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<v Speaker 1>vaudeville shows. I'd seen the comedians having fun with The

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<v Speaker 1>orchestra leader in the pit would say, will you have

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<v Speaker 1>a cigar?

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar?

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<v Speaker 1>The orchestra leader would reach for it, and the comedians

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<v Speaker 1>would back away, making a comical remark. The audience laughed

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<v Speaker 1>at Oscar. I started hitting the keys. In a few years,

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar was the accepted name. It proved to be the

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<v Speaker 1>magic name. The writing of that was weird, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably have to edit that. The Academy Awards officially adopted

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<v Speaker 1>the nickname Oscar in nineteen thirty nine, and a piece

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<v Speaker 1>in Time magazine that same year credit skull is the originator,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is a strong piece of circumstantial evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there was also a story that Walt Disney

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<v Speaker 1>referred to his little oscar during his acceptance speech in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty four, which was supposedly before Skolsky coined the term.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know all in all, no one really knows

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<v Speaker 1>where the term oscar came from.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm chalking it up to movie magic. That's disappointing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I'd hope that there would be a point

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<v Speaker 2>to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I realized that it was like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those jokes doesn't have a punchline. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of theories. I like the Egyptian theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's that's at least nerdy. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I just heard that guy was just

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<v Speaker 2>a big into egypt Mania that had been gripping egypt fever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that sounds more racist, Yeah does Yeah, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>that's what killed one of the guys who financed the

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<v Speaker 1>King Tut's Tomb expedition, Lord Carnarvin. Yeah he was there,

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<v Speaker 1>he flew out there to Egypt, and then he is

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<v Speaker 1>it guay was different.

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<v Speaker 2>No, got you got like a mosquito bite or something

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<v Speaker 2>and then like cut it shaving and it got infected

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it was like some weird death, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was what led to the theory that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>curse on King Tut's doom to any who disturbed it. Cool,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, as you meditate on that, it'll be right

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<v Speaker 2>back with more. Too much information after these messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, from ancient Egyptian curses to measurements, that's the tm

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<v Speaker 1>I promise. The Oscar statuette is thirteen point five inches

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<v Speaker 1>tall with a five and a quarter inch base. It

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<v Speaker 1>weighs off eight point eight point five pounds, or about

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<v Speaker 1>the same as a gallon of milk. Each award statue

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<v Speaker 1>costs approximately five hundred dollars to produce manufacture from a

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<v Speaker 1>Britannia metal plated in copper nickel, silver and twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>carret gold. The manufacturing process starts a year in advance

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure nothing goes wrong, and from start to finish

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<v Speaker 1>it takes roughly ten days to make one statuette. Several

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers have had the honor of making the Oscars over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, but these days they're made about an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and a half outside of New York City at Pollock Talics,

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<v Speaker 1>a fine arts foundry. Then it's sent off to a

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<v Speaker 1>partner in Brooklyn, not far from where I live up

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<v Speaker 1>in green Point called Epner technology that handles the gold plating. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>the oscars were made out of plaster for three years

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<v Speaker 1>during World War Two. During WW two the big one

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<v Speaker 1>due to metal shortges.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they make they didn't make it up? Did they

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<v Speaker 2>send them real ones? Then? Well yeah, so okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So for three different Oscar ceremonies between nineteen forty three

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty five, award winners were handed painted plaster and

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<v Speaker 1>then when the war was over all the recipients of

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<v Speaker 1>plaster awards are invited to exchange them for real ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And these plaster ones have gone up for auction occasionally,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's pictures of like a sticker on the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the base that says temporary trophy, Please handle carefully.

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<v Speaker 2>This plaster replica of the awards.

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<v Speaker 1>Trophy will be replaced by the golden bronze trophies as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as medals are available. You will receive an official

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<v Speaker 1>letter from the Academy immediately after March fifteenth, which will

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<v Speaker 1>constitute an order for your metal trophy. The Academy regrets

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<v Speaker 1>the wartime restrictions made that make the substitution necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I would kind of want to keep both. I would

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<v Speaker 1>want like my real one, but then I would want

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<v Speaker 1>the weird plaster one.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that convincing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, hang on one went up at auction a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago. I mean I almost can't tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a little less shiny. Oh it's not terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was expecting some kind of like click paper mache,

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of horrible, you know, vaguely sinister child's art project.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would like to keep it.

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<v Speaker 2>As like a memory of that weird time. I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to keep it, said Betty Davis. Well, how about that?

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of last minute changes to their oscars, it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth noting that as people have watched the ceremony and

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<v Speaker 1>probably observed, but the statuettes are handed out without their

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<v Speaker 1>engraved name plaque on the oscar's base. Obviously, that would

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<v Speaker 1>make it hard to keep the results a secret. In

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<v Speaker 1>recent years, the stars have made a big show of

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<v Speaker 1>going to the so called Oscar's bar at the Governor's

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<v Speaker 1>Ball upstairs from the theater where the ceremony is taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>The oscar crew wouldn't have time doing drave each oscar

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot so they have all potential winners' names

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<v Speaker 1>engraved and waiting.

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<v Speaker 2>I want loser name plaques. That would be a cool

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<v Speaker 2>thing to collect. Do you think they're out there? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen them, but that'd be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I love like alternate universe history stuff like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket to the event that JFK was traveling to

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<v Speaker 1>when he was assassinated and then never made it to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I love stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a poster for the Titanic's return voyage to England

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<v Speaker 1>that it never made. I just things like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>just find really like eerie and poignant. Yeah. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see that the basis of each statuette are pre drilled

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<v Speaker 1>with holes, so it's simply a matter of screwing on

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<v Speaker 1>the plaque and sending the stars on their way. But

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<v Speaker 1>The Guardian did a really cute article on this in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen called Secrets of an Oscar Engraver. In the piece,

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Alex Yurst is quoted as.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, we make a bit of a show of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The statues are pre drilled ready for the plaques to

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<v Speaker 1>be fitted, so all we do is show the winner

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<v Speaker 1>of the plaque, check the details. All right, attach it,

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<v Speaker 1>give it a polish, and hand it back.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing takes about five minutes, although they cost

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<v Speaker 2>between four and five hundred dollars to make, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>options like what can you add a mustache on rate

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<v Speaker 2>of gold?

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<v Speaker 1>Gold prices?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Okay, short, it's market price. All right? Sorry I

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<v Speaker 2>made fun of you. Sorry, ty, I tried a bit. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you get some braro on it if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Although they cost approximately four to five hundred dollars to make,

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<v Speaker 2>the gold plated statuette is technically only worth one dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>Since venteen fifty one, Oscar winners have been required to

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<v Speaker 2>sign an agreement stating that they cannot sell the award

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<v Speaker 2>without first offering to sell it back to the academy

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<v Speaker 2>for one dollar. Those who refuse are not allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>keep their trophy. This rule also extends to the winners'

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<v Speaker 2>families and estate once they die. For the academy, the

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<v Speaker 2>rule preventing winners from profiting off the sale of their

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<v Speaker 2>award is intended to quote preserve the integrity of the

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar symbol. According to The New York Times, this rule

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<v Speaker 2>was adopted after the errors of Sid Grammont, owner of

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<v Speaker 2>the famous Chinese theater on Hollywood Boulevard placed advertisements offering

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<v Speaker 2>to sell an honorary oscar that Gramman had been awarded.

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<v Speaker 2>We're selling Granddad's oscar. Any takers, god Man, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty great. The Horrified Motion Picture Academy brought it back

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<v Speaker 2>and implemented the no sales stipulation a short time later.

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<v Speaker 2>The oscar itself contains a minder of this contractual fine

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<v Speaker 2>print with a small band around the base that's engraved

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<v Speaker 2>with the phrase the statuette may not be sold or

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<v Speaker 2>transferred other than bequest without first being offered to the Academy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nuts that there's like an engraved gold band around

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<v Speaker 2>the base that has that fine break. It kind of

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<v Speaker 2>cheapens it. I don't think they can tell me to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. That strikes me as unconstitutional. Eh, their house,

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<v Speaker 2>their rules, it's not it is the Academy awards. But

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<v Speaker 2>like if you just didn't ever think you were going

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<v Speaker 2>to win another award, what would they do like sue you? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you mean, Like you sign it and

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<v Speaker 2>then do whatever you want with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they gonna do to me? Send Like Steven Spielberg

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<v Speaker 2>around to film a coming of age boyhood wonder uh

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<v Speaker 2>movie about the fu sims of children and dinosaurs, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet somehow the brutal reality of becoming an adult. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what he's gonna do? He said, Oh, Marty over

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<v Speaker 2>to be Catholic. Marty would mess you Upah, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>sweet guy. He would guilt, he Marty. I Marty probably

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<v Speaker 2>uses guilt like a cham he's Italian Catholic. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>would just make me feel really bad. This permission doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>apply to oscars given out prior to nineteen fifty one because.

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<v Speaker 1>The rule was made in nineteen fifty one, so they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't told his grandfather. Yeah, everyone else was grandfathered in.

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<v Speaker 1>Do whatever they wanted with their oscars, as we will,

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<v Speaker 1>as we will. Just well, no, there's a really sad

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<v Speaker 1>story coming up. What if someone won a bunch and

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<v Speaker 1>sold them for a lot of money? Would that be

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<v Speaker 1>a happy story? Generally, you don't want to part with

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<v Speaker 1>your oscar unless you're in a really bad spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess you're right. Has it been murdered with

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<v Speaker 2>an oscar?

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<v Speaker 1>I think frank Kaepra killed Bill Rogers. I told you

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<v Speaker 1>he bludged him to death. The next year when he

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<v Speaker 1>I told you I'd be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberg paid upwards of half a million dollars each

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<v Speaker 2>for two wards formerly belonging to silver screen icons Clark

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<v Speaker 2>Gable and Betty Davis. The director, who has three oscars

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<v Speaker 2>of his own, donated his purchase as to the Academy.

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<v Speaker 2>The Oscar statuette is the most personal recognition of good

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<v Speaker 2>work our industry can ever bestow, He's told Variety, and

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<v Speaker 2>it strikes me as a sad sign of our times.

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<v Speaker 2>This icon could be confused with commercial treasure. Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>meanwhile treated it as just that. Yes, shelling out one

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<v Speaker 2>point five four million dollars in nineteen ninety nine to

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<v Speaker 2>by producer David o' Salesnik's Oscar for nineteen thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>is gone with the wind. What do we make of that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the whole race element in there gets really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting. Okay, okay, okay. Following his death a

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<v Speaker 2>decade later, at the age of fifty, the statue has

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<v Speaker 2>reportedly gone missing. The estate does not know where the

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<v Speaker 2>Gone with the Wind statuette is. Jackson attorney Howard Weitzman

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<v Speaker 2>told The Hollywood Reporter in twenty sixteen. We would like

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<v Speaker 2>to have that Oscar because it belongs to Michael's children,

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<v Speaker 2>not David O's Sells Nicks. I'm hopeful it would turn

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<v Speaker 2>up at some point. That's funny. Where is it one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Jackson five? Has it?

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<v Speaker 1>Bubbles made off with it? Bubbles like, has it up? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Bubbles has done horrible things to Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, most Oscar winners would prefer not to part with

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<v Speaker 2>their prize possession, and those pre nineteen fifty one performers

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<v Speaker 2>who have sold them usually do so to dire circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Case in point, Harold Russell, a World War II veteran

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<v Speaker 2>who lost both his hands before being cast in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty six film The Best Years of Our Lives.

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<v Speaker 2>I got into an argument with a block of T

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<v Speaker 2>and T and lost. He would later quit. Get hooks

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<v Speaker 2>for Hands. That's kind of cool, kind of worth it,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, not not like really, I'm sure it's tragic,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it's kind of cool that hooks for hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Google him?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know that, Yeah, I know I know about

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<v Speaker 2>this guy. Though not a professional actor, he received the

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<v Speaker 2>role because it closely mirrored his own life story, and

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately it earned him an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as an honorary Award for quote bringing aid

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<v Speaker 2>and comfort to disabled veterans through the medium of motion pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>Russell sold the Best Supporting Actor trophy at auction in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two at the age of seventy eight, reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for his wife's mounting medical costs. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the Oscar, but I love my wife more, he told

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times. Although I've had the Oscar longer.

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<v Speaker 2>If I ever get lonely for it, I can watch

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<v Speaker 2>the picture. Award was sold for sixty five hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to an anonymous buyer. A few years after Russell's death

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and two, Academy executive director Bruce Davis

1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:36.800
<v Speaker 2>claimed that the real story was somewhat less tragic. A

1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:39.519
<v Speaker 2>couple of reporters pinned him down. Davis claimed in The

1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Times it came out that his wife wanted to take

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<v Speaker 2>a cruise. He had a new wife who knew he

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<v Speaker 2>had a spare Oscar. Universal Studio had Lou Washerman bought

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<v Speaker 2>it and donated it back to us. Greatest generation. That

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<v Speaker 2>was my on so old boss Lou Wasserman got ran

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<v Speaker 2>ya Russell. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Since two thousand and two, the Oscars have been held

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<v Speaker 1>at the Dolby Theater formerly the Kodak Theater, facility, built

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<v Speaker 1>with the express purpose of serving is a permanent home

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<v Speaker 1>for the Academy Awards ceremonies. Outside on Hollywood Boulevard is

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<v Speaker 1>where the legendary Oscar's Red Carpet is set up. The

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<v Speaker 1>carpet itself runs five hundred feet long and has rolled

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<v Speaker 1>out several days in advance and for days before.

1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.040
<v Speaker 2>It's protected by a layer of plastic.

1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I was lucky enough to walk it in twenty thirteen,

1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.439
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, and honestly, the biggest lesson I learned,

1:14:28.439 --> 1:14:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is a pro tip. Apparently a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stars put duct tape on the soles of their shoes

1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:36.960
<v Speaker 1>because the red carpet is very slippery, huh, and it

1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:39.840
<v Speaker 1>helps with grip. Yeah, someone on the red carpet taught

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<v Speaker 1>me that. Yeah, people do fall a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I mean that was the Oscars where Jennifer

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<v Speaker 2>Lawrence fell on the way up to receive for Oscar. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I met her earlier that night. She was America's streetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>She was, Yeah, I mean, is she still? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so no, it's okay, you can't. Yeah, nothing gold

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<v Speaker 1>can stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was LIKEX to Mario Lopez on the carpet because

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing like the questions beforehand, like the red

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<v Speaker 1>carpet questions, and like everybody has.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever do red carpet duty?

1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:10.120
<v Speaker 1>When you were at people or Entertainment Weekly.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the Comedy Central roast of Don Rickles.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, who did you meet? Triumphany and Soil

1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:27.960
<v Speaker 2>comic Dog, so Robert Smiegel, not Conan, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of different random stand ups who were all doing

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<v Speaker 2>who were all there, But they kept the real like

1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp was there, and like Robert de Niro was there,

1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Like they kept all the big people away from they

1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:40.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't do the red carpet because it was at the Apollo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they had kept everyone. It was like, you know, you

1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:46.400
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you. Johnny Depp was like not walking the sidewalk

1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:49.360
<v Speaker 2>outside the wall of the theater for a fucking step and repeat,

1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:53.400
<v Speaker 2>you know. So I did. Yeah, that was fine, It

1:15:53.520 --> 1:15:55.479
<v Speaker 2>was cool. I had a good time. Robert de Niro

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<v Speaker 2>is terrible, like not as a person, but as like

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<v Speaker 2>a yeah, heard that and Marty had a segment and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like watching men drown, just neither of them

1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:10.920
<v Speaker 2>able to have Even Marty with his sort of like

1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:16.280
<v Speaker 2>a vuncular charismo, was like not selling it. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>my red carpet story.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was one of my first red carpets

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a big one, man. Yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>was terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>I was alone too, Like I flew out by myself,

1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they gave you this like two by

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<v Speaker 1>three rectangle of the carpet, and I was next to

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<v Speaker 1>Mario Lopez who's with He took pity on me, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually like the one he taught me about

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<v Speaker 1>the shoe thing and and a few others. He was

1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:47.800
<v Speaker 1>very sweet because he could kind of tell I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was terrified. Yeah, I mean it's funny. It starts

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<v Speaker 1>so early. It starts at like two thirty in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>So who did you Who did you get to talk to?

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<v Speaker 1>You were people cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Clooney was dating Stacy Keebler at the time, Jennifer Lawrence,

1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Anne Hathaway, Jessica chess Stain asking them music related questions

1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:11.000
<v Speaker 2>or just about it, just about everything. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>what I when I.

1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Asked him, and uh, yeah, those are the big ones.

1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:20.880
<v Speaker 2>That's that stuck out. I think Ben Affleck too, Was

1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:23.320
<v Speaker 2>he drunk? No, that was Argo year. That was the

1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Argo year, so he was like he was he.

1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Was doing well, yeah, Seth MacFarland because he was hosting

1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that year. Yeah it was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, I'm glad you got to have that. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was weird because I was going through a breakup

1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:41.120
<v Speaker 2>at the time, like a week before I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the Oscars, which is not ideal, and I was like

1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:49.160
<v Speaker 2>talking with my producers at VH one, like should we

1:17:49.160 --> 1:17:51.200
<v Speaker 2>make a bit out of this, Like should we do

1:17:51.360 --> 1:17:54.559
<v Speaker 2>like like sat short on the Oscars red carpet and

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<v Speaker 2>ask like George Clooney and Ben Affleck and like Jennifer

1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence for like love advice and rebound advice, and like

1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:04.840
<v Speaker 2>we were all like kind of considering it, and then

1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:06.920
<v Speaker 2>at the end I was like, man, no, I don't

1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:11.320
<v Speaker 2>want to do that. Yeah, yeah, you you would have

1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:15.519
<v Speaker 2>to not blink doing that. Yeah. There would be a

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<v Speaker 2>point at which.

1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I was too raw too. It's very Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a weird. That was a part of it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like God, could you have wait until after I had

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<v Speaker 1>this craist moment of my professional life.

1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Please? No, no, they never can. Movie magic, movie magic.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yeah, the Cole Kidman was there, Keith Urban,

1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and I do remember it.

1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Seems like he smells nice Urban. Yeah, I don't remember that,

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<v Speaker 2>and like high end Musk.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that. I remember Mario Lopez did. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>told that he wears cretiventus for any any any fragheads

1:18:56.520 --> 1:19:02.240
<v Speaker 1>out there, Any fragrance heads, that's what they call themselves. Sure, no, I.

1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Told you that. That's my new that's one.

1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Of my new interests of the last I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I did know that. But that's a good that's a

1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:08.599
<v Speaker 2>good joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Cragheads. No, it's serious, that's what they call themselves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually speaking. We were talking about prebits earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>I I my my journey in de niche fragrances began

1:19:16.680 --> 1:19:19.439
<v Speaker 1>when I was writing a premature obituary for Quincy Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>And during my research, everyone was like, oh, yeah, musical genius,

1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:27.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh incredible, and he smells really good, and like everyone

1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:29.880
<v Speaker 1>kept talking about how good he smelled, and I'm like,

1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.840
<v Speaker 1>all right, Quincy Jones, and you've like done a lot,

1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:35.400
<v Speaker 1>but like the third thing that comes to people's minds

1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:37.599
<v Speaker 1>is how good you smell? Like you must you must

1:19:37.600 --> 1:19:40.200
<v Speaker 1>smell really damn good. And I looked it up and

1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:42.479
<v Speaker 1>it was this brand called Creed and they've been around

1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:44.639
<v Speaker 1>for like three hundred years, and it was this uh

1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:48.360
<v Speaker 1>he apparently wore green Irish tweed, which was also worn

1:19:48.439 --> 1:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>by Carrie Grant reminded him of his of his upbringing

1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:56.120
<v Speaker 1>in England. Robert Redford, I think wore it two and

1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Paul Newman. And then I started looking up like, oh,

1:19:59.479 --> 1:20:02.040
<v Speaker 1>what other like famous people from history?

1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Where what are the Beatles wear?

1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:08.040
<v Speaker 1>What Paul McCartney wears girlan vettever from nineteen sixty one,

1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:11.000
<v Speaker 1>by the way, and uh, And then it just became like, oh,

1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:13.200
<v Speaker 1>what what did like Napoleon wear? Because a lot of

1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.240
<v Speaker 1>these brands have been around for hundreds of years? What

1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:18.639
<v Speaker 1>did you know? What did Sean Connery wear? What did

1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:20.679
<v Speaker 1>what did the king wear? What did the queen wear?

1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:23.960
<v Speaker 1>And so I would get like either go to stores

1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.000
<v Speaker 1>at like department stores and get you know how they

1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:29.559
<v Speaker 1>sprayed stuff onto yeah, a little tester or sometimes send

1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:32.320
<v Speaker 1>away for a little like two or three D yeah,

1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:35.240
<v Speaker 1>and the cheap and it became like, uh, like like

1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:37.639
<v Speaker 1>scent time travel. It was really cool.

1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they say it's the strongest scent tied to memory. Yeah,

1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:42.200
<v Speaker 2>it really. It was cool.

1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:45.400
<v Speaker 1>So now I've started going up to the perfume floor

1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:48.439
<v Speaker 1>on Sex Fifth Avenue. It's this huge floor just all

1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>these different kiosks with different high end brands and go

1:20:52.080 --> 1:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>with friends and like, oh yeah, this is what they

1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:56.599
<v Speaker 1>wore in the silver screen era of Hollywood. They all

1:20:56.640 --> 1:21:00.360
<v Speaker 1>wore aqua Deparma colonia. Because the costume people still you.

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<v Speaker 2>Give guided tours of the Sax perfume department. I mean

1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I do it with friends. Yeah, no, every you should

1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:09.120
<v Speaker 2>charge for that. Are you kidding me? That's that's you

1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:11.719
<v Speaker 2>could be Like I could become a beloved tour guide.

1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:14.679
<v Speaker 2>It was really fun. It was really really fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Parma Colonia.

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<v Speaker 1>The the coustom people at the studios would spray the

1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:21.920
<v Speaker 1>tissue paper in the boxes when they would sending like

1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:25.840
<v Speaker 1>gowns and high and tuxedos to their stars, and so

1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:28.799
<v Speaker 1>that began the smell of like silver screen era Hollywood,

1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:31.519
<v Speaker 1>and like David Niven and Ava Gardner and all those

1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:33.799
<v Speaker 1>people carry Grant back in the thirties and forties.

1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:35.760
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't know. It was just cool, like

1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:37.400
<v Speaker 2>to activate that.

1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Also, you know, we're straight guys and like scent is

1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:45.280
<v Speaker 1>very utilitarian. It's like, oh, something's burning or something smells bad.

1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:47.759
<v Speaker 1>It's like the first time of my life it was like, oh,

1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:50.840
<v Speaker 1>this is like a pleasurable thing. It's like an that

1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:52.519
<v Speaker 1>there was a good color or something.

1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like opposed to like just going to target

1:21:55.600 --> 1:21:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and getting like punch. Yeah, oh exactly. Yeah, that was cool.

1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of new colors and unlocking different senses, let's talk

1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.799
<v Speaker 1>about the people who went onto the Oscars Red carpet.

1:22:07.200 --> 1:22:08.839
<v Speaker 1>While tripping on LSD, shall.

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<v Speaker 2>We well, first, I wanted to ask you, oh sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Elvis wore.

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<v Speaker 1>Elvis wore a lot of really cheapy There weren't a

1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of good options for guys in the fifties and

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<v Speaker 1>the early sixties.

1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:23.080
<v Speaker 2>For all of those ones you just named, well, okay, sure,

1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:24.360
<v Speaker 2>but okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In Tupelo and in Memphis in fifties and sixties, he

1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:33.160
<v Speaker 1>wore a lot of like old spice brute and a

1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:36.200
<v Speaker 1>brand called Canoe I think was another one. Oh yeah

1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you Canoe, Oh my god, Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's

1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that's bad cologne.

1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, it's like Grandpa cologne, Like it's like

1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.719
<v Speaker 2>not not good cologne. No, any others, No, I actually

1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I have a Google dog. Oh, I'm sure you do.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason your canoe smells like is like what

1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, it's in Hannibal.

1:22:55.160 --> 1:22:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. There's a line in Hannibal when Larie

1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:03.840
<v Speaker 2>is in the FBI, in the FBI in the van

1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:05.720
<v Speaker 2>the atf ban and they're going to do a raid

1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:08.040
<v Speaker 2>on a drug lord. And it's this line that's like

1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:11.120
<v Speaker 2>when so and so lifted his arms, he demonstrated why

1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.880
<v Speaker 2>something a splash of canoe is not the ship same

1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.840
<v Speaker 2>as shower a shower or something like that. And So

1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid when I'm boding canoe because I

1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:23.880
<v Speaker 2>was just like, oh, this is what like an FBI

1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:31.080
<v Speaker 2>agent would wear. He realized it's like solove, like aqua velva.

1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, exactly. Oh yeah, so that's been fun for me.

1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Any other uh, any other people you want to know

1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:38.519
<v Speaker 1>what they smell like?

1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I might be able. I might have that information, handy

1:23:41.120 --> 1:23:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Miles Davis, I don't know that, No, David Bowie, Oh

1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I know Creed Silver Mountain Water, different Creed, different Creed.

1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:55.719
<v Speaker 1>He also wore tom Ford Gray vettevir, which then Iman

1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:58.719
<v Speaker 1>continued to wear after his death to make him feel close.

1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's you made it sad. Now, I don't

1:24:01.840 --> 1:24:07.519
<v Speaker 2>know what else you got. Oh yeah, the South Park guys, right,

1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking of new senses and colors, And we're gonna

1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:15.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about some guys who went to the Oscars, will

1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:18.559
<v Speaker 1>tripping on acid when their song Blamed Canada from South

1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Park Bigger of Longer, Uncut unexpectedly.

1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Earned an Oscar nod.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand, the countercultural television icons had a once

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<v Speaker 1>in a lifetime opportunity to make their unique.

1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Mark on Hollywood's Glitzius Night.

1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>We talked about going in big duck outfits, Trey Parker

1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:38.080
<v Speaker 1>later said, and we thought, if we go in big

1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:40.880
<v Speaker 1>duck costumes, then they have a reason not let us in.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we're wearing what other people wear, then they

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<v Speaker 1>can't really say we can't come in. Technically. The nomination

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<v Speaker 1>for Best Song went to Trey Parker, who co wrote

1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Blame Canada with lyricist Mark Shaman. So when Trey Parker

1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>invited to South Park, partner Matt Stone to be his date.

1:24:57.200 --> 1:25:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Stone initially wanted to wear a dress in post as

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<v Speaker 1>a fictitious European model as Trey Parker's date. The idea

1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:08.559
<v Speaker 1>morphed a bit from there, and ultimately the pair opts

1:25:08.640 --> 1:25:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to both go and drag, with Trey Parker wearing a

1:25:11.479 --> 1:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>painstakingly recreated replica of the low cut Versace gown that

1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Lopez had worn into the two thousand Grammys a

1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:21.799
<v Speaker 1>few weeks earlier, and Matt Stone dawned a dress modeled

1:25:21.840 --> 1:25:25.080
<v Speaker 1>after the pink Ralph Lauren number that Gwyneth Paltrow had Warren.

1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>To collect her oscar for Shakespeare in Love the year before,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety nine.

1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>They would later say that they regretted not dusting their

1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:35.559
<v Speaker 1>noses with a bit of powdered sugar for an added effect.

1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:38.680
<v Speaker 2>See. I was just about to say, how funny that

1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>actually is, Like that they went to people and had

1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:43.599
<v Speaker 2>these meticulous recreator and then they always have to push

1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>it to the one thing that makes it stop. Well,

1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.360
<v Speaker 2>they didn't do that though. They didn't do it. I know,

1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I know, Matt Stone told The Hollywood Reporter in twenty sixteen.

1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Some people were stoked when we showed up at the

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars in those dresses, Michael Kaine being one. Gotta of

1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Michael Kaine, oh man, of course, well the British love dress.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't think of that.

1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You're so right, Yes, cornerstone of their tradition of comedy.

1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>But I remember Gloria Estefan was super pissed. Even sadly

1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>think I included this. He was saying like, yeah, A

1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were like, this is the biggest non

1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>of our lives. Few so they were stifon.

1:26:20.320 --> 1:26:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I don't know a what she was being

1:26:22.439 --> 1:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>there and b why she was pissed. That's too funny.

1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.640
<v Speaker 1>But Matt Stone and Trey Parker's attire was not the

1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>most far out thing about their appearance at the Oscars.

1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>The pair I had wanted to find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>quote go but not go to the ceremony.

1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>According to the.

1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Twenty eleven special Six Days to Air The Making of

1:26:40.960 --> 1:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>South Park, their solution was to take sugar cubes dast

1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>with LSD just before showtime. It's so crazy now to

1:26:48.280 --> 1:26:53.719
<v Speaker 1>think about. Trey Parker later admit red carpet reporters naturally

1:26:53.760 --> 1:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of questions, and Matt Stone and Trey

1:26:56.360 --> 1:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Parker answered each one by saying, it's a magical night tonight.

1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>That they responded to any question. How about Their attire

1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:06.519
<v Speaker 1>was just to look off into space, into the middle

1:27:06.560 --> 1:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>distance and say, it's a magical night tonight. That's a

1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:12.559
<v Speaker 1>good bit. That's a great bit. It's just such a

1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:13.559
<v Speaker 1>magical night tonight.

1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:16.479
<v Speaker 2>I mean, please watch an honor, just to be known

1:27:16.640 --> 1:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>an honor, just to please watch those clips of this

1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:22.120
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, and it is great. I just, man, I

1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:26.880
<v Speaker 2>don't remember this happening. No, I don't remember having that

1:27:26.960 --> 1:27:30.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of like Mary prankster attitude on acid, where like

1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I would volunteer to be in public.

1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>That's what they said. That's what I said. Like we

1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:37.679
<v Speaker 1>like had a really hard time getting out of the limo.

1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>They were like, yeah, like on acid, it's.

1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Like changing locations is really hard and to go from

1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:45.840
<v Speaker 2>would not be fun.

1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:48.479
<v Speaker 1>No, And they said, like get like going from the

1:27:48.520 --> 1:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>safety of the limo and the darkness of the limo

1:27:51.120 --> 1:27:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and the container the limo to like every camera in

1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the western world the sun and like thousands of people. Yeah,

1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>they said it was terrible, fine, Oh my god. And

1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>their come down was made even more harsh when they

1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:08.759
<v Speaker 1>lost the Oscar to Phil Collins and his Tarzan track

1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>You'll Be in My Heart. When a reporter asked them

1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>if it was still a magical night after this disappointment,

1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Trey Parker replied, it doesn't matter because losing just makes

1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>it horrible. It's terrible to lose to Phil Collins, especially. Yeah,

1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>it's very good to see them.

1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>On the Red carpet is very good. No, no, I

1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>mean I remember this getting covered a lot. Yeah, I know,

1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:34.519
<v Speaker 2>I did them, no quarrel. That's fine, that's a while,

1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and good that they did that.

1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't really feel like give any more airtime to

1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>b York's Swan outfit, which, honestly, I was just.

1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>About to say, but now you're gonna give b York

1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>this short in a post Lady Gaga world, siss of you?

1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you have anything to say about it? I know,

1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:55.479
<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. Okay, it wasn't that the year she was

1:28:55.479 --> 1:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>nominated for the large One Trier movie like That's crazier

1:28:58.320 --> 1:29:00.639
<v Speaker 2>wearing like a whimsical swan dress to movie that ends

1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:02.479
<v Speaker 2>with you the spoiler alert that ends with your character

1:29:02.520 --> 1:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>hanging themselves.

1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but I would like to shout out I

1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>have to say about it. I don't in a post

1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>lady world, I don't with.

1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Bjork. I had no quarrel with Bork.

1:29:14.760 --> 1:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I I okay. It's also quiet. Song is great.

1:29:18.520 --> 1:29:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you love that one.

1:29:19.560 --> 1:29:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I do because it's an old fifties song that she did,

1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:24.439
<v Speaker 1>and the video is great. Spike Jones video is wonderful.

1:29:24.439 --> 1:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>I know. I have no quarrel with Byork.

1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>She actually remember Tradesman, this bar out by where we

1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:30.879
<v Speaker 1>used to live in in Bushwick.

1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I used to DJ there.

1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just like non descriptive bar and a couple of

1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>blocks from my apartment. Bjorke just like went there one night.

1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:39.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just so weird. Yeah, it's all over like Brooklyn

1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Vegan the next day. Yeah yeah, So okay, enough about

1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>b York. But I would like to shout out the

1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>most expensive dress in Oscar's history, which is Jennifer Lawrence's

1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Pink Your Mature Gown, which was valued somehow. I don't

1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>really understand at four million dollars.

1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, money's not real. True. I guess the paintings, but

1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>you need to put numbers on anything. That's true. Paint

1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>things are being sold for one hundred million dollars. I

1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:10.639
<v Speaker 2>guess that's true. Yeah, I mean, come on, what's his name?

1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Kutz?

1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Does this like it's not true?

1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:13.799
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I saw him close. I witnessed her fall down in it,

1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>which I can imagine.

1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:20.840
<v Speaker 2>It was there like diamond zone into it or I

1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:22.639
<v Speaker 2>don't remember, I thought.

1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean to me, I remember being very impressed with

1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Jessica chess Stand because she looked like an old school

1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:30.519
<v Speaker 1>forties like Hollywood star.

1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember just thinking, look like somebody. I mean, maybe

1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>this is my design. That was like I went to

1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>prom alongside like she was America's sweetheart. I'm not quite

1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:44.800
<v Speaker 2>sure what you don't remember or understand about that. I

1:30:44.880 --> 1:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>know seems eminently obvious to me. Did you ever see

1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the picture of me and Cluining? No? Do you get

1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:50.519
<v Speaker 2>a selfie with him?

1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I got a selfie of me and he's like talking

1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>to the person next to me.

1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Because I was I couldn't do it.

1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be I first of all, I was afraid

1:30:58.040 --> 1:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna get fired if I, like asked for

1:30:59.880 --> 1:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>us selfie with him. But you know, I've never asked

1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:08.759
<v Speaker 1>for a selfie with a celebrity or with anyone, honestly,

1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>but certain celebrities know you want it, and they say,

1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:14.439
<v Speaker 1>do you want to get a selfie? And I do

1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>find that endearing, even though I know that's the best.

1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>That's Taylor Swift's whole thing. Oh yeah, well she was.

1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>She was like, do you want a selfie? And I

1:31:21.720 --> 1:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, I do, Yeah, I really do. And

1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>then she was like, no, no, we can do better

1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>than a selfie. Let's do a photo shoot here in

1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the breakroom of this office. Oh I remember that, yea, yeah, no,

1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that was fine. Yeah, that was strange. And now there's

1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of photos on the Internet of me fixing

1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a Xerox machine, and there were others too. I only

1:31:39.120 --> 1:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>got that one. But there's us. She's like, has like

1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:44.559
<v Speaker 1>a fire extinguisher. She's pointing at me, and then we're

1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:47.559
<v Speaker 1>at like a like a snack's machine, and one of

1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>them where she's like, one of us is standing probably me,

1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>probably me standing at a garbage can. Most likely me.

1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>If me or Taylor Swift is standing in a garbage can,

1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the person who's standing in the garbage can, it's probably me.

1:31:57.800 --> 1:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>So good that she was chill, because everything else about

1:32:00.880 --> 1:32:03.560
<v Speaker 2>her I would not say she was chill. I don't know.

1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I could put that in there.

1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I mean, or at least had ideas like,

1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:09.879
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah.

1:32:09.680 --> 1:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh she was playful. Did you see the thing about Taylor?

1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Asked Lauren Michaels for something. Michaels responded by saying, I

1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>don't negotiate with terrorists.

1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:22.559
<v Speaker 2>But for someone who hasn't been funny in a long time.

1:32:22.560 --> 1:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty funny.

1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Everybody gets won.

1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much of that we can keep.

1:32:29.080 --> 1:32:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of stuff that might not get broadcasts. Now, let's

1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>get into the broadcast history of the Oscars.

1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>THEE came to hear Yes.

1:32:40.320 --> 1:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>The second Oscar ceremony in nineteen thirty was the first

1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>one to be broadcast by radio, and the first televised

1:32:46.320 --> 1:32:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Oscars didn't occur until twenty three years later in nineteen

1:32:49.840 --> 1:32:53.439
<v Speaker 1>fifty three. The first Oscars to be broadcast in color

1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>took place in April nineteen sixty six, and to heighten

1:32:57.000 --> 1:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>the impact, art directors went ham on the sound, which

1:33:00.560 --> 1:33:05.599
<v Speaker 1>included forty two fountain spraying water, which I feel compelled

1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to mention isn't necessarily enhanced by color. I didn't actually

1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>watch this maybe they projected lights onto it. The show

1:33:14.160 --> 1:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>must go on, as we all know, as they show

1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>business mantra. But there have been three occasions when the

1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Oscar ceremony was delayed due to unforeseen circumstances.

1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Nine to eleven.

1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>No, well that because that was in the fall and Oscar.

1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the joke, Thank you, Ted, that was the joke.

1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>The tenth Academy Awards was postponed a week as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of the Los Angeles flood of nineteen thirty eight,

1:33:39.200 --> 1:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>which killed over one hundred people and destroyed roads, bridges,

1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and acres.

1:33:43.800 --> 1:33:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Of farmland throughout the county.

1:33:46.120 --> 1:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>The five day flood cost upwards of seventy eight million

1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:52.400
<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of damage or one point sixty nine billion

1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and twenty twenty three dollars, making one of the costliest

1:33:55.800 --> 1:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>disasters in the city's history. I bet you that stat

1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>was written prior to January. The oscars were delayed again

1:34:04.400 --> 1:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty eight. A turbulent time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh run dun dum dum dum dum d d s

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<v Speaker 2>d shun dump dum.

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<v Speaker 1>Chopper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do the chopping. Yeah, mao did he? Mau What

1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:35.240
<v Speaker 2>is that third time you've done it? No? It's, Uh.

1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:37.040
<v Speaker 2>The only way I know it is from uh.

1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:39.479
<v Speaker 1>It's a deer hunter when when they're at the the thing,

1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he says, I.

1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Think so, I think so.

1:34:41.320 --> 1:34:44.040
<v Speaker 3>But it's it's also something about an episode of The

1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Simpsons where Homer's like or no, it's it's bart like

1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:51.160
<v Speaker 3>beating principal Skinner in a in a steel cage, which

1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:52.719
<v Speaker 3>were in like a bamboo cage.

1:34:52.479 --> 1:34:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Which is, yeah, that's where I saw Mau. Did he Mau?

1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>You need to find that later?

1:35:02.920 --> 1:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Funds that in Well, A lot of jokes for a

1:35:07.080 --> 1:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>really not funny event, the Oscars, I can modulate tone.

1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. True.

1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>The Oscars were delayed again in nineteen sixty eight. Following

1:35:16.000 --> 1:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior. The Academy postponed

1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the fortieth annual ceremony, initially scheduled for April eighth, for

1:35:24.479 --> 1:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>two days so stars like Harry Belafonte, Diane Carroll, Sammy

1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Davis Junior, Louis Armstrong, and Marlon Brando could attend King's.

1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Funeral in Atlanta.

1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>One of those things is not like the other man.

1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine how racially horrible that atmosphere must have

1:35:42.680 --> 1:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>been to like go to that Oscar ceremony after it

1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>was postponed, with like a bunch of these people who

1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>were probably like openly celebrating his death. Yeah, I was

1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:56.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna say, John Wayne was zac. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get

1:35:56.640 --> 1:35:58.720
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to John Wayne's Oscar.

1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>A little bit. Gregory Peck, the Oscar winning actor who

1:36:04.080 --> 1:36:06.840
<v Speaker 1>was then serving as the President of the Academy, opened

1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the ceremony on April tenth with a speech acknowledging the tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a fateful week in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>our nation, he says, we join with fellow members of

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<v Speaker 1>our profession and men of goodwill everywhere, to pay our

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<v Speaker 1>respects to the memory of doctor Martin Luther King Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>He then observed that two of the five films nominated

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<v Speaker 1>for Best Picture that year, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and In the Heat of the Night, both starring Sidney Poitier,

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with the subject of quote understanding between the races.

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<v Speaker 2>The third and most.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent time that the Oscars were postponed was nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>just four hours before the ceremony was due to begin

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<v Speaker 1>on March thirtieth, Four hours earlier in the day, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five year old John Hinckley Junior attempted to assassinate the

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<v Speaker 1>newly inaugurated President Ronald Reagan outside a hotel in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. Reportedly in an attempt to gain the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of Jodie Foster.

1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>We all know that story.

1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Hinkley had developed a psychotic obsession with the actress after

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<v Speaker 1>seeing her. Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver, in which Robert de

1:37:09.439 --> 1:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Niro's character Travis Bickele plus to assassinate a presidential candidate.

1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:14.080
<v Speaker 2>We all know the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan, who began his career as an actor and was

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<v Speaker 1>a former Academy member, himself, had pre recorded a message

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<v Speaker 1>for the Oscar ceremonies opening sequence. The Academy felt it

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<v Speaker 1>wise to wait until the Commander in Chief was confirmed

1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to be in stable condition before continuing the ceremony. Reagan

1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:35.559
<v Speaker 1>himself specifically requested that the clip be aired and watched

1:37:35.600 --> 1:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the ceremony from his hospital band with a big old

1:37:39.120 --> 1:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>jar of jelly beans.

1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I have nothing to say about all of that. You

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to say about uh, nothing to say about

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<v Speaker 2>John Hinckley, or nothing to say about Nancy m No.

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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing to say about that. You know, people

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<v Speaker 2>love John Hinckley because he went for the Right President

1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:02.640
<v Speaker 2>show but he failed, And as Donald Trump says, I

1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>only like winners. Also, like everyone, you know, all these

1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:10.720
<v Speaker 2>internet poisoned losers want to like talk about how hilarious

1:38:10.720 --> 1:38:12.760
<v Speaker 2>it is that John Hickley Junior's still like out there

1:38:12.960 --> 1:38:15.680
<v Speaker 2>been like making dumb country covers because he was the

1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:18.800
<v Speaker 2>one who killed Reagan or tried to kill Reagan, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine, but he was also like obsessed over a

1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:24.559
<v Speaker 2>twelve year old. Yeah, we kind of skipped that part.

1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>We do skip that. The guy he shot did like

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<v Speaker 2>live the rest of his life like afflicted by constant

1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>pain and then died. Oh Brady, So not that he

1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:37.439
<v Speaker 2>was like you know, he was he was in the

1:38:37.479 --> 1:38:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Reagan circle, so he was obviously a piece of shoot

1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:45.320
<v Speaker 2>some way. But uh, you know, anyway, where are we

1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now we're going to move on to Oscar presenters.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope holds the record as the most consistent Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>presenter with a truly terrifying nineteen ceremonies between nineteen forty

1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:04.280
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight. Bob Hope scares me. There's like

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<v Speaker 1>a real malevolence there.

1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.479
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, well, I mean, is it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the forced cheer under the simmering like hatred eyed stare?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know. I mean, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's that close to being Crosby, Well, yeah, you're right

1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:23.559
<v Speaker 1>about that, and Burrell all in, Milton Burrell, Bing Crosby,

1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope, I just Jack, Benny, all those guys. I

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<v Speaker 1>just feel I have nothing to base this on at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like they're all bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think that's pretty I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty safe to assume.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, I'm glad we did this. Yeah, good talk son.

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<v Speaker 1>Woopy Goldberg became the first woman and the first African American.

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<v Speaker 2>To serve as the solo hosts of the show in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 1>But hosts, you know, as we all know, it is

1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a tough job. Sometimes they are called upon to go

1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>above and beyond the call of duty. Case in point,

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<v Speaker 1>and the nineteen fifty nine Oscars wrapped a full twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Early producers through to co host Jerry Lewis to just

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<v Speaker 1>stretch and fill time. Standing amid presenters and newly minted

1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Oscar winners. Lewis announced that they be singing three hundred

1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:13.280
<v Speaker 1>choruses of There's no business like Show Business before watching

1:40:13.280 --> 1:40:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a three Stooges program to quote cheer up the losers.

1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:19.599
<v Speaker 1>He then stole the conductor's baton and led the orchestra

1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:23.639
<v Speaker 1>in song until NBC got tired of his shenanigans and.

1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Cut to a sports review show for the rest of

1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:28.240
<v Speaker 2>the time. Kind of great, although I hate trying to

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<v Speaker 2>say what an irritating man?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yes, But arguably the best impromptu Oscars

1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:40.040
<v Speaker 1>incident curtit nineteen seventy three, when Charlton Heston got a

1:40:40.080 --> 1:40:42.280
<v Speaker 1>flat tire on the way to the ceremony where he

1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:46.559
<v Speaker 1>was due to present, and instead producers grabbed Clint Eastwood out.

1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Of the audience to sup in. They were kind of interchanged.

1:40:49.479 --> 1:40:51.479
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say that there's something. Yeah, if you're

1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:53.720
<v Speaker 2>going to pick any two white guys to just do that,

1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, come on, guys.

1:40:55.520 --> 1:41:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, speaking of disastrous presenter moments, we have to talk

1:41:00.560 --> 1:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>about the opening segment of the nineteen eighty nine Oscars.

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<v Speaker 1>This has gone down in Oscar's history is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Carr, the ultra flamboyant Hollywood wheeler dealer who'd rocketed

1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to the top of showbiz with the success of Greece

1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:17.720
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight, which he'd produced. He was known

1:41:17.760 --> 1:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>for his expensive and flashy parties and productions, and so

1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:24.120
<v Speaker 1>he was hired to produce the sixty first Annual Academy.

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<v Speaker 2>Awards in March of nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine, basically to inject some life into it. The edict

1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>had been to shift the somewhat rigid ceremony to something

1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:36.360
<v Speaker 1>a little more out there, and boy howdy, that's what

1:41:36.439 --> 1:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>they got. Beforehand, Carr insisted that the night would be

1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:45.040
<v Speaker 1>quote the antithesis of tacky, and folks, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a linguistics expert to know that when someone

1:41:47.200 --> 1:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>insists that something will be the antithesis of tacky, it's

1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>probably going to be pretty tacky.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was.

1:41:56.600 --> 1:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Musical numbers that would attempted.

1:41:58.479 --> 1:42:03.439
<v Speaker 2>The blend old and new and really, yeh, my god,

1:42:04.080 --> 1:42:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of course he did. I mean, this is the bit

1:42:07.040 --> 1:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that everyone talks about.

1:42:07.880 --> 1:42:10.479
<v Speaker 1>There's an actress named Eileen Bowman who dressed up as

1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.519
<v Speaker 1>snow white and sang a rendition of Proud Mary with

1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Rob Lowe that lasted twelve minutes.

1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:20.200
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of airtime. Yeah, and then like the

1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the like underage sex tape had come out right around

1:42:23.120 --> 1:42:26.599
<v Speaker 2>that time, right, Oh, check that. I think it might

1:42:26.640 --> 1:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>have been mo it around it was right after.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The long, painful performance baffled the audience, and certain

1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:39.759
<v Speaker 1>high profile Hollywood actors Gregory Peck, Paul Newman, and Julie

1:42:39.840 --> 1:42:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Andrews all wrote a letter to the Academy condemning the

1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:47.639
<v Speaker 1>program as quote an embarrassment and adding insult to injury,

1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and Disney filed a lawsuit against the Academy for not

1:42:51.360 --> 1:42:56.519
<v Speaker 1>officially licensing snow White. Although the eventually back down with

1:42:56.560 --> 1:43:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a simple apology from the Academy, this number haunted Rob

1:43:00.760 --> 1:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Low's career for years, and also Alan Carr, whose career

1:43:04.280 --> 1:43:07.160
<v Speaker 1>never really recovered and he died in the late nineties

1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:09.639
<v Speaker 1>of liver cancer. And now we got to talk about

1:43:09.680 --> 1:43:11.080
<v Speaker 1>people who were banned.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you do you get into Franco and Hathaway? No

1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:17.920
<v Speaker 2>you got something to say about them? Oh? No, I

1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>people hated them.

1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know.

1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was comment worthy because it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big other train wreck ones in recent history

1:43:23.760 --> 1:43:26.240
<v Speaker 2>people have talked about. I mean, it was train wreck,

1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:29.120
<v Speaker 2>but it was just like they just weren't great at it.

1:43:29.120 --> 1:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>It was not like uniquely horrible, and that means it's

1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>like the David Letterman thing where he introduces Oprah Uma.

1:43:36.479 --> 1:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>He produces Oprah Winfrey to Uma Thermon. He makes a

1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:41.280
<v Speaker 1>whole bit about like, oh, they have funny names, and

1:43:41.400 --> 1:43:43.720
<v Speaker 1>people were like, he's the worst Oscar host of all time.

1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:46.679
<v Speaker 2>It was just not a great fit, not a great joke.

1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's not really we don't get into the slap

1:43:49.960 --> 1:43:52.200
<v Speaker 1>on here, the Chris Rocks slap, are we not?

1:43:52.439 --> 1:43:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so now we are getting into the section of

1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>people who have been banned or threatened with banishment from

1:43:59.080 --> 1:44:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the oscars. Will Smith, for the slap, has been banned

1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>for ten years.

1:44:04.600 --> 1:44:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Although he went back in the building to collect, right

1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:09.880
<v Speaker 2>or did they like I don't actually remember how that

1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:10.439
<v Speaker 2>played out.

1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:13.240
<v Speaker 1>He slapped him and he sat back down and then

1:44:13.320 --> 1:44:15.840
<v Speaker 1>went back up and accepted. Yeah. They it was like, oh,

1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>after the fact when they were like, oh, we probably

1:44:18.120 --> 1:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>should have taken a stronger stance on that.

1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Your bands for ten years, Yeah, that was a weird year.

1:44:24.400 --> 1:44:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that didn't count. How so I just

1:44:26.880 --> 1:44:29.439
<v Speaker 2>feel like we just were like it just it was

1:44:29.439 --> 1:44:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a covid Oscars. Yeah, I feel like we just kind

1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:33.680
<v Speaker 2>of decided it was going to be We're just going

1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>to take a mulligan on that one.

1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>So he's banned for ten years. Will Smith, Bill Cosby

1:44:40.400 --> 1:44:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and several other felons are banned for life. Understandably, but

1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:48.000
<v Speaker 1>these are not the only folks to get banned from

1:44:48.000 --> 1:44:51.959
<v Speaker 1>the Academy Awards Technically. In nineteen ninety three, the Oscars

1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:55.559
<v Speaker 1>producers did not take kindly to presenters going off script.

1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Then couple Susan Saranded and Tim Robbins took a moment

1:44:58.760 --> 1:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>presenting the award for Best Film Editing to address the

1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>AIDS crisis in Haiti. Ironically, attendees at the nineteen ninety

1:45:06.360 --> 1:45:09.720
<v Speaker 1>three Oscars were wearing red ribbons for HIV AIDS awareness.

1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Then later that night, Richard Gear, presenting Best Art Direction,

1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:15.519
<v Speaker 1>took a stand against the Chinese invasion of Tibet.

1:45:16.000 --> 1:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I forgot. Gear was all about Tibet.

1:45:18.160 --> 1:45:21.439
<v Speaker 1>All about t Bet. The audience applauded, but Oscar's producer

1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Gil Kates was livid. In an LA Times piece published

1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>soon after the telecast, Kates is quoted as saying does

1:45:28.200 --> 1:45:31.519
<v Speaker 1>anyone care about Richard Gear's comments about China, It's arrogant.

1:45:32.000 --> 1:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>He went on to address the comments made by Sarandon

1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and Robbins. For someone who I invite to present an

1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:40.120
<v Speaker 1>award to use that time to postulate a personal political belief,

1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it's not only outrageous, it's distasteful and dishonest.

1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So shut up and act. In other words, yes, he concluded,

1:45:47.840 --> 1:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't invite them to my home, and I won't

1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:53.720
<v Speaker 2>invite them to a future show. Ironically, all of these

1:45:53.760 --> 1:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>speeches are now available on the Oscars YouTube page to

1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>watch anytime you want. Please please restart our ratings have

1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>been refall in please watch anything about the Oscars for

1:46:03.000 --> 1:46:03.559
<v Speaker 2>begging you.

1:46:05.439 --> 1:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>All three Tim Robbins, Susan Surround and Richard Gear were

1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>reportedly banned from the Oscars for life, but it didn't

1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:16.320
<v Speaker 1>stick for any of the three. Susan Surroundon won Best

1:46:16.320 --> 1:46:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Actress three years later for nineteen ninety five's Dead Man Walking,

1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and Tim Robbins scored a Best Supporting Actor win for

1:46:22.280 --> 1:46:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Mistic River in two thousand and four. Richard Gear has

1:46:25.760 --> 1:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>not won an OSCAR since, but he's yeah, He's attended

1:46:29.080 --> 1:46:32.360
<v Speaker 1>ward shows multiple times since he was supposedly banned, starting

1:46:32.400 --> 1:46:33.280
<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirteen.

1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:36.679
<v Speaker 2>When I was there, maybe I saw him. She's so funny.

1:46:36.720 --> 1:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>He just kind of like snuck back on and everyone's like, Ah, Richard,

1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you little scam. It's okay. He talked about this.

1:46:42.760 --> 1:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>He told the Huffington Posts that quote, it seems if

1:46:44.800 --> 1:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>you stay around long enough, they forget they banned you.

1:46:48.800 --> 1:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>But in a twenty seventeen Hollywood Reporter profile, Gear said

1:46:52.080 --> 1:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>that the Tibet Oscars incident did have long lasting effects

1:46:56.240 --> 1:46:58.599
<v Speaker 1>on his career. He claimed that he'd been denied many

1:46:58.640 --> 1:47:01.400
<v Speaker 1>film roles because his presence in a movie could tank

1:47:01.439 --> 1:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>its overseas box office because releases in China make a

1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:05.639
<v Speaker 1>lot of money.

1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's I mean, that's one hundred percent true.

1:47:08.640 --> 1:47:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Sad trombone for Richard Gear and the Gerbils, that no doubt.

1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Never mind how many how many Gerbils have died in

1:47:18.040 --> 1:47:22.679
<v Speaker 2>the name of Richard Gear, is that? What's your beef

1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>with the Gear?

1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I hate Richard Gear, Okay, I hate rich.

1:47:28.040 --> 1:47:28.719
<v Speaker 2>And Kevin Costs.

1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I still like them, still like them. I hate the

1:47:32.080 --> 1:47:36.240
<v Speaker 1>movies they're in, hate their face, I hate their acting. Okay, okay,

1:47:36.320 --> 1:47:41.559
<v Speaker 1>mister tea and the women get out of here, officer

1:47:41.640 --> 1:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and a gentleman.

1:47:42.240 --> 1:47:42.880
<v Speaker 2>No pretty woman.

1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen pretty women because I can't get past

1:47:44.960 --> 1:47:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Richard Gerett.

1:47:45.640 --> 1:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>You lied to our podcast guests.

1:47:48.600 --> 1:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>In which way?

1:47:49.320 --> 1:47:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do that a lot. I'm not as nice.

1:47:52.160 --> 1:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually just as mean as you. That's the thing.

1:47:54.400 --> 1:47:57.599
<v Speaker 1>People don't get listeners. Well, eventually, we were one hundred

1:47:57.600 --> 1:48:00.120
<v Speaker 1>and seventy five episodes in, and people are gonna have

1:48:00.160 --> 1:48:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to understand that I'm just as mean as you.

1:48:01.840 --> 1:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>That's why we're friends.

1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:05.120
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't actually work if I was as nice as

1:48:05.160 --> 1:48:06.720
<v Speaker 1>people think I am. Are you or as mean as

1:48:06.760 --> 1:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>people think you are? You're actually nicer and I'm actually meaner,

1:48:09.840 --> 1:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and we meet in the middle. That's how this works.

1:48:13.640 --> 1:48:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe is all just flowed out of here

1:48:16.280 --> 1:48:20.799
<v Speaker 2>because of Richard Gere. I hate Richarde, Yeah, man, clearly, Okay,

1:48:21.000 --> 1:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that's all right. I don't give a shit. What do

1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:28.719
<v Speaker 2>you think about Richard gear I don't think about Richard Gere, Yeah, exactly,

1:48:28.760 --> 1:48:30.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think about him at all. I mean, I

1:48:31.000 --> 1:48:33.599
<v Speaker 2>he's one step removed from Julia Roberts in that that

1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:36.160
<v Speaker 2>nineties stretch where she was like the most beautiful woman

1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:38.240
<v Speaker 2>in the world, so like, oh, he was a run

1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:41.559
<v Speaker 2>of my bride too. Yeah, I'm not even talking about

1:48:41.560 --> 1:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that one. I mean like I'm talking about Mystic River,

1:48:43.880 --> 1:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Pretty Woman Era, Missing Pizza. It's is Pizza Mystic Julia

1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Roberts in Mystic River. Boy, what a hotty? Yeah, I

1:48:53.800 --> 1:48:56.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't. I'm just he seems so indefensive, like,

1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:58.320
<v Speaker 2>isn't he He's just like a little guy too, He's

1:48:58.360 --> 1:49:04.599
<v Speaker 2>not like, yeah, squirrelly face. He got sidekicked in the

1:49:04.640 --> 1:49:08.559
<v Speaker 2>balls by gas Junior and then like didn't win an

1:49:08.560 --> 1:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Oscar for that lusta Junior did? Oh yeah, what was

1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:20.040
<v Speaker 2>it for again? Well, speaking of what Richard Gear does

1:49:20.080 --> 1:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>when he's naked, let's talk about nudity at the oscars.

1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm really I feel like a psychologist that just like

1:49:27.479 --> 1:49:30.679
<v Speaker 2>unlocked some kind of hidden trauma or like a new

1:49:30.760 --> 1:49:34.479
<v Speaker 2>insight into you. Like this tends the case into a

1:49:34.520 --> 1:49:41.800
<v Speaker 2>whole new direction. Jordan hates, I really hate Richard Gear.

1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm sir, We'll get I'm sure somebody's gonna tweet at

1:49:46.120 --> 1:49:49.439
<v Speaker 1>me about now. I'm looking at at his filmography now

1:49:49.439 --> 1:49:51.559
<v Speaker 1>to see if this is oh, he was Looking for Mister.

1:49:51.400 --> 1:49:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Goodbar, which is a good movie. I don't think like yeah,

1:49:55.120 --> 1:49:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't think about him enough. I'm so

1:49:57.800 --> 1:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>this is so wild to me that Looking for mis

1:50:00.040 --> 1:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Goodbye is a great movie. Uh dance. Yeah, that was

1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:07.559
<v Speaker 2>like poised to be his comeback for a second, and

1:50:07.600 --> 1:50:10.040
<v Speaker 2>then we as a society we're like, no, I think

1:50:10.040 --> 1:50:14.320
<v Speaker 2>he's like accurately rated. Yeah, oh yeah, he was in

1:50:14.360 --> 1:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the Todd Haynes. I'm not there a Bob Dylan movie

1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:20.080
<v Speaker 2>as Billy the Kid are Abob Dylan. That's actually his section.

1:50:20.280 --> 1:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's not good in it. He doesn't really

1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:25.040
<v Speaker 2>bring anything to that, but like that is one of

1:50:25.040 --> 1:50:28.040
<v Speaker 2>my favorite segments of that film because it's like clearly

1:50:28.120 --> 1:50:32.120
<v Speaker 2>like the basement tapes John Wesley Harding, you know, Pat

1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Garrett Billy the Kid version, and it is like this creepy,

1:50:35.840 --> 1:50:41.080
<v Speaker 2>sort of demented like Halloween Town that they Jim James

1:50:41.200 --> 1:50:43.639
<v Speaker 2>of My Morning Jacket and Collexico do a very moving

1:50:43.760 --> 1:50:49.360
<v Speaker 2>version of a completely throwaway basement tape song called Go

1:50:49.479 --> 1:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Nakapolco that has a masturbation joke in it. So there's that.

1:50:56.520 --> 1:50:59.519
<v Speaker 1>He's seventy five dance and he looks like hell, Okay,

1:50:59.560 --> 1:51:00.559
<v Speaker 1>he looks that he five.

1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:03.240
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm softening now that I see that he's

1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:06.160
<v Speaker 2>like old as hell, now that I've seen that I've

1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:09.320
<v Speaker 2>triumphed over him, that the time has.

1:51:09.280 --> 1:51:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Ravaged Richard Gear.

1:51:11.840 --> 1:51:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I want to see if anything else Wikipedia

1:51:17.120 --> 1:51:22.160
<v Speaker 2>page with Gerbils they scrubbed that. How would Snopes?

1:51:22.439 --> 1:51:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's look, folks. Do you want to tell the

1:51:25.439 --> 1:51:27.439
<v Speaker 1>kind folks what we're talking about here with Richard Gear

1:51:27.439 --> 1:51:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and Gerbils?

1:51:30.600 --> 1:51:36.240
<v Speaker 2>No? Uh so, yeah, okay, it's on. It's on. It

1:51:36.320 --> 1:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>is on Snopes. But the rumor was that Richard Gear

1:51:39.439 --> 1:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was once escorted to the hospital where they found alive

1:51:43.200 --> 1:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>hamster in his nether regions, the larger of the two

1:51:49.880 --> 1:51:52.280
<v Speaker 2>holes available to men.

1:51:53.600 --> 1:51:58.080
<v Speaker 1>There's what my friend Chris Fleming, a comedian friend, we

1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:00.479
<v Speaker 1>used to go when he was just starting when he

1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was a teenager.

1:52:01.160 --> 1:52:02.040
<v Speaker 2>We were all teenagers.

1:52:02.080 --> 1:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>We go to the Boston to these open mic nights

1:52:05.000 --> 1:52:07.679
<v Speaker 1>and it was always the same EMC and we'd see

1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:11.519
<v Speaker 1>the same MC do the same jokes fifty times.

1:52:11.920 --> 1:52:13.120
<v Speaker 2>And he had this.

1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Joke and I wish I could get it perfectly, but

1:52:15.479 --> 1:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it was something like, yeah, I started taking and take

1:52:17.360 --> 1:52:22.439
<v Speaker 1>a Viagra works okay first, like one or two pills,

1:52:22.479 --> 1:52:25.160
<v Speaker 1>but after that it's really hard to get more than

1:52:25.160 --> 1:52:29.240
<v Speaker 1>one or two pills up in that tiny hole, and

1:52:29.360 --> 1:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>every time we all just doubled over.

1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So moving on from that.

1:52:38.000 --> 1:52:40.120
<v Speaker 1>My favorite thing I do is when I tell a

1:52:40.200 --> 1:52:41.040
<v Speaker 1>joke that either.

1:52:40.840 --> 1:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>You don't like or doesn't land, or you just know

1:52:43.200 --> 1:52:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to.

1:52:43.800 --> 1:52:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Use, you don't acknowledge it, and you give me something

1:52:46.439 --> 1:52:49.439
<v Speaker 1>really great to cut on, which is nice.

1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, no, this is actually interesting. I read about this.

1:52:56.560 --> 1:53:00.800
<v Speaker 2>So Richard Gear and Sylvester still Or in a movie

1:53:00.800 --> 1:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>called Lords of Flatbush in nineteen seventy four, and they

1:53:03.560 --> 1:53:06.360
<v Speaker 2>really did like each other. They really hate each other,

1:53:07.320 --> 1:53:13.160
<v Speaker 2>and supposedly one day Gear spilled like chicken broth or

1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:15.880
<v Speaker 2>something like chicken soup in Stalone's car and they started

1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:19.439
<v Speaker 2>a fight and Gear was fired and recast. There's no

1:53:19.520 --> 1:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>evidence of this, but they did share an agent who

1:53:23.920 --> 1:53:26.400
<v Speaker 2>was known to never allow them in a room together.

1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:30.599
<v Speaker 2>And then in the nineties, apparently after Pretty Woman, an

1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:35.719
<v Speaker 2>anonymous prankster flooded fax machines across Hollywood with a fake

1:53:35.800 --> 1:53:39.759
<v Speaker 2>press release from the ASPCA warning about Richard Gear's past

1:53:39.840 --> 1:53:42.800
<v Speaker 2>abuse of Gerbils. I didn't know that was where that

1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:48.360
<v Speaker 2>came from, so well, thank you for that. You know,

1:53:48.400 --> 1:53:50.439
<v Speaker 2>I choose to believe it, not the hamster part, but

1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the Sylvester stillone part. Is a small man, after all,

1:53:57.880 --> 1:54:02.439
<v Speaker 2>is incredibly thin skin a self heading small man. Well,

1:54:02.479 --> 1:54:05.080
<v Speaker 2>he's just always been known to be like thin skinned

1:54:05.080 --> 1:54:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and egotistical. Did you see his recent thing we're talking

1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:11.719
<v Speaker 2>about how times got soft? No, he had like a

1:54:11.800 --> 1:54:14.280
<v Speaker 2>like a partictably boomer moment where he was like he

1:54:14.360 --> 1:54:16.439
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, you know, people just got soft, like

1:54:16.479 --> 1:54:19.280
<v Speaker 2>they're not challenged as much these days, talking about like

1:54:19.360 --> 1:54:23.879
<v Speaker 2>soft generations, like life is easy, like throwing participation trophy

1:54:23.920 --> 1:54:27.280
<v Speaker 2>like that kind of boomer. Oh okay, says the guy

1:54:27.320 --> 1:54:29.640
<v Speaker 2>with the fake boxing globes from his not being a

1:54:29.680 --> 1:54:33.640
<v Speaker 2>boxer movies. Uh what were we doing well, speaking of

1:54:33.680 --> 1:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>things that Richard Gear does naked. Oh yeah, you had

1:54:37.000 --> 1:54:38.879
<v Speaker 2>that great Yeah, you had that great segue.

1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:42.360
<v Speaker 1>For legal reasons, we should say that he absolutely does

1:54:42.440 --> 1:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>not perform a scene X with Jurbils in the privacy

1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>of his own home or otherwise, yes, or anywhere else?

1:54:51.120 --> 1:54:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to keep going with this because of

1:54:52.480 --> 1:54:55.720
<v Speaker 2>how much you hate. You're more alive than I've seen

1:54:55.760 --> 1:55:02.480
<v Speaker 2>you in weeks by your Richard gear, like you've been

1:55:02.520 --> 1:55:07.520
<v Speaker 2>gifted by the muse. Well, most people have nightmares about

1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>being naked on stage in front of a massive group

1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:12.560
<v Speaker 2>of people. Thirty three year old, Robert Opple or Ople

1:55:12.680 --> 1:55:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever find that out? I don't.

1:55:14.480 --> 1:55:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Ople feels right, yeah.

1:55:16.720 --> 1:55:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Robert Opele, thirty three years old, streaked across the Hollywood's

1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Biggest night stage with Oscar's co host David Niven in

1:55:24.160 --> 1:55:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the middle of welcoming Elizabeth Taylor to the stage present

1:55:27.240 --> 1:55:31.200
<v Speaker 2>the Best Picture Award, and a nude Opple ran behind him.

1:55:31.240 --> 1:55:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought he looked like David Crosby. I know me too,

1:55:34.400 --> 1:55:36.520
<v Speaker 2>flashing a smile and a peace sign at the camera,

1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and then dashed off again. The streaking fad had swept

1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:42.120
<v Speaker 2>the country that year. Ray Stevens had in fact just

1:55:42.160 --> 1:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>released the country novelty song The Streak, which hit numbers

1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:49.720
<v Speaker 2>one soon after, and the crowd erupted into laughter and cheers.

1:55:50.280 --> 1:55:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Even the band launched into it a suggestive stripper theme.

1:55:53.320 --> 1:55:55.800
<v Speaker 2>David Niven, of course, a paragone of class and pre

1:55:55.880 --> 1:55:59.320
<v Speaker 2>written jokes quipped, a, isn't a fascinating to think that

1:55:59.360 --> 1:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the only laughed bands bound to get in his entire

1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:03.760
<v Speaker 2>life by stripping off is by stripping off and showing

1:56:03.800 --> 1:56:07.120
<v Speaker 2>his shortcoming. When he giggling, Liz Taylor did finally come out,

1:56:07.160 --> 1:56:08.760
<v Speaker 2>she couldn't resist making a crack of her own.

1:56:09.160 --> 1:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty hard act to follow. That's arguably better

1:56:12.520 --> 1:56:13.360
<v Speaker 1>than the Nivens.

1:56:13.960 --> 1:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh, he gilded the lily too much. Yeah, made

1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:22.080
<v Speaker 2>it too wordy. Afterwards, Oppa was given the chance to

1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:25.560
<v Speaker 2>explain himself to the assembled media. People shouldn't be ashamed

1:56:25.600 --> 1:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>of being nude in public, he told reporters while standing

1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:32.120
<v Speaker 2>in the winner's row in front of an oversized Oscar statue. Besides,

1:56:32.200 --> 1:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a hell of a way to launch a career.

1:56:34.440 --> 1:56:36.839
<v Speaker 2>He would later claim that he sneaked past security imposed

1:56:36.840 --> 1:56:39.040
<v Speaker 2>as a journalist to access the backstage area of the

1:56:39.080 --> 1:56:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Dorothy Chandeler pavilion, and it all seems so smooth that

1:56:42.400 --> 1:56:44.560
<v Speaker 2>there were rumors that the stunt had been staged by

1:56:44.600 --> 1:56:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the ceremonies producer Jack Haley Junior, son of Wizard of

1:56:47.920 --> 1:56:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Oz's Tin Man. Why else would a man who just

1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>trespassed exposed himself on national television and apparently damaged an

1:56:54.360 --> 1:56:57.960
<v Speaker 2>expensive stage curtain in the process, simply allowed to clothe

1:56:58.000 --> 1:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>himself again and address the press. Yes, it seems very

1:57:02.520 --> 1:57:06.840
<v Speaker 2>offer like, come on. I don't know. This has never proven,

1:57:06.960 --> 1:57:09.640
<v Speaker 2>but some people associated with the oscars did say that

1:57:09.680 --> 1:57:13.080
<v Speaker 2>they saw Niven pre writing his ad lib during dress

1:57:13.080 --> 1:57:18.080
<v Speaker 2>rehearsal before the ceremony, and incredibly for a spontaneous incident

1:57:18.120 --> 1:57:21.240
<v Speaker 2>that was shot so that you never actually saw Opple's

1:57:21.400 --> 1:57:31.280
<v Speaker 2>ople tough feet aftermath, Colon not Richard gears No became

1:57:31.320 --> 1:57:35.280
<v Speaker 2>an Ople became a minor celebrity in the immediate aftermath

1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:37.240
<v Speaker 2>of the incident, and the media clamored to learn more

1:57:37.240 --> 1:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>about him. Initially, he was a speech writer for Ronald

1:57:39.880 --> 1:57:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Reagan's California gubernatorial campaign, and his politics took a further

1:57:44.040 --> 1:57:46.680
<v Speaker 2>left turn. At the dawn of the seventies. He became

1:57:46.680 --> 1:57:50.400
<v Speaker 2>a radical activist, appearing naked multiple Los Angeles City Council

1:57:50.480 --> 1:57:53.640
<v Speaker 2>meetings to protest the city's ban on nudity at area beaches,

1:57:54.240 --> 1:57:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and would get jailed for at least one of these.

1:57:56.920 --> 1:58:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Ople was openly bisectional. Ople was openly bisexual and became

1:58:01.720 --> 1:58:05.280
<v Speaker 2>active in the queer counterculture in the seventies, socializing with

1:58:05.320 --> 1:58:08.560
<v Speaker 2>figures like John Waters and Divine, and even working as

1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:12.040
<v Speaker 2>a part time photographer for gay liberation outlet The Advocate.

1:58:12.640 --> 1:58:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Although he never explained his precise motives for his Oscar streak,

1:58:15.800 --> 1:58:18.040
<v Speaker 2>he admitted that it was a great way to jumpstart

1:58:18.040 --> 1:58:20.760
<v Speaker 2>his career, and that is exactly what happened. For a

1:58:20.760 --> 1:58:23.040
<v Speaker 2>brief time, he was a guest on The Mike Douglas Show,

1:58:23.080 --> 1:58:25.840
<v Speaker 2>where he announced his campaign for president with slogan's like

1:58:25.920 --> 1:58:29.520
<v Speaker 2>nothing to hide and taking aim at Richard Nixon, who

1:58:29.560 --> 1:58:32.240
<v Speaker 2>was then mired in the Watergate scandal. Not just another

1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:36.839
<v Speaker 2>crooked dick. That's good, that's good. Yeah. Hollywood producer Alan Carr,

1:58:37.000 --> 1:58:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the aforementioned man who was blackbald for the worst Oscars ever,

1:58:43.000 --> 1:58:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and also you know producer of Greece. He hired Ople

1:58:46.320 --> 1:58:52.320
<v Speaker 2>to streak their party for Russian dancer Rudolph nurriyev here analysis.

1:58:52.560 --> 1:58:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this would have.

1:58:53.160 --> 1:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Been the height of the Studio fifty four era, and

1:58:54.960 --> 1:58:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I known Area was a mainstay there, so it kind

1:58:57.640 --> 1:58:59.320
<v Speaker 1>of it kind of makes sense.

1:59:00.120 --> 1:59:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Moved to San Francisco in nineteen seventy eight, where he

1:59:02.240 --> 1:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>opened Faye Way Studios, the first openly gay art gallery

1:59:05.960 --> 1:59:08.480
<v Speaker 2>in the country. He became one of the first galleries

1:59:08.520 --> 1:59:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to display work by photographers like Robert Maplethorpe and artist

1:59:12.440 --> 1:59:15.280
<v Speaker 2>of Tom of Finland and Opo was hosting friends at

1:59:15.280 --> 1:59:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Feiwa on July seventh, nineteen seventy nine, when two burglars

1:59:19.040 --> 1:59:22.800
<v Speaker 2>stormed the studio seeking money and drugs. A scuffle ensued

1:59:22.840 --> 1:59:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and Ople was shot in the head at close range.

1:59:25.120 --> 1:59:27.000
<v Speaker 2>He was pronounced dead later that night at the age

1:59:27.000 --> 1:59:31.080
<v Speaker 2>of thirty nine. The assailants, identified as Maurice Keenan and

1:59:31.160 --> 1:59:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Robert Kelly, made off with five dollars and a camera.

1:59:35.040 --> 1:59:37.960
<v Speaker 2>They were arrested on July tenth at San Francisco International

1:59:37.960 --> 1:59:41.760
<v Speaker 2>while apparently trying to escape to Miami. Thirty years later,

1:59:41.960 --> 1:59:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Ople's nephew, Robert Opple the Elder, had dropped one P

1:59:45.360 --> 1:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>from his name to protect his family, produced the documentary

1:59:48.480 --> 1:59:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Uncle Bob, which explored the life and work of his

1:59:51.280 --> 1:59:55.880
<v Speaker 2>infamous relative. It's actually the original plot of What About Bob?

1:59:57.920 --> 2:00:00.080
<v Speaker 2>I gotta watch that movie? Is that? Hold up? I

2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:01.920
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine it does? Oh it does, it does.

2:00:02.000 --> 2:00:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just so, what's the word Frisian free zone

2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of insanity.

2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because I mean drive.

2:00:10.920 --> 2:00:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean they are both clearly in real life insane people,

2:00:13.760 --> 2:00:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and they both clearly hate each other in real life.

2:00:17.120 --> 2:00:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So that keeps it crackling good. Yeah, And while we're

2:00:21.960 --> 2:00:24.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Streaker, we have to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>other most infamous Oscar surprise guests other than Will Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most iconic roles in cinema history also

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<v Speaker 1>gave way to one of the most iconic moments in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the Oscars. When Marlon Brando went his

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<v Speaker 1>second Oscar in nineteen seventy three for his performance as

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<v Speaker 1>Don Vito Corleone and the Godfather. He wasn't there to

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<v Speaker 1>receive it in his place. He'd sent Sasheen little Feather,

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<v Speaker 1>an Apache Native American activist and the president of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Native American Affirmative Image Committee, to reject the award

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<v Speaker 1>on his behalf. When Brando's name was announced, Little Feather

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<v Speaker 1>took the stage in a buckskin dress and moccasins. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Brando had given her a fifteen page speech to read,

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<v Speaker 1>she was forced to improvise due to the sixty second

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<v Speaker 1>time limit that had been disclosed the minutes before the

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<v Speaker 1>award presentation. I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, she told

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<v Speaker 1>the stunned crowd, and he asked me to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reasons for this being are the treatment of

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<v Speaker 1>American Indians today by the film industry and on television

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<v Speaker 1>and movie reruns, and also with recent happenings.

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<v Speaker 2>It wounded Knee.

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<v Speaker 1>I beg at this time that I have not intruded

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<v Speaker 1>upon this evening, and that we will in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>our hearts and our understandings will meet with love and generosity.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't wrong, no.

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<v Speaker 1>But the moment drew a mixed response from the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Some cheered, other's booed, and many were simply baffled. It

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<v Speaker 1>confused Roger Moore, who attempted to present the award, ended

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<v Speaker 1>up simply taking it home with him, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>later it was later collected by Academy officials who were

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<v Speaker 1>disp edged to his house. So she Little Feather would

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<v Speaker 1>later claim that and enraged John Wayne, another presenter that night,

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<v Speaker 1>tried to rush the stage and had to be restrained

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<v Speaker 1>by six men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I sure believe that. Wow. Yeah, I absolutely believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>Backstage she was reportedly mocked with faux Native American chants

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<v Speaker 1>and tomahawk chop gestures.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Was actually even threatened with the rest. So the naked

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<v Speaker 1>guy fine, but this woman who spoke very eloquently about

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<v Speaker 1>the plight of the disenfranchised people whose country we stole

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<v Speaker 1>threatened with the rest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the guy who was in prison for wounded kneed,

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard Peltier, just got his sentence commuted finally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In ninety ninety, Little Feather spoke to People magazine about

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<v Speaker 1>the fallout she faced in response to her OSCARS moment.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, I went up there thinking I could make

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<v Speaker 1>a difference. I was very naive. I told people about oppression.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, you're ruining our evening. Little Feather died in

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<v Speaker 1>October twenty twenty two at the age of seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>weeks after the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

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<v Speaker 1>publicly apologized for her treatment at the ceremony nearly fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier. The abuse you endured because of the statement

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<v Speaker 1>was unwarranted and unjustified, wrote then Academy president David Rubin.

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<v Speaker 1>The emotional burden you have lived through, and the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of your own career in our industry is irreparable. For

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<v Speaker 1>too long, the courage you showed has been unacknowledged. For this,

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<v Speaker 1>we offer both our deepest apologies and our sincere admiration,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, lyingly. But there's also some story out there

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<v Speaker 1>which you can google yourselves, that her family after she died, insisted.

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<v Speaker 2>That she stop being referred to as Native American. We

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<v Speaker 2>just wasn't Native American at all. Yeah, in many ways,

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<v Speaker 2>she walked so that Buffy Saint Marie could run. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. Yeah. John Wayne got so furious ever, people,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like he felt protective over of America, of America's

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<v Speaker 2>legacy of racial bad Yes. Yeah, there's so many stories

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<v Speaker 2>about him flying off the handle for people being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but how do you feel about killing all those engines

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<v Speaker 2>in your movies? And he's like, I was proud to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Yep. What a piece of shit he was? Yep. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>But Marlon Branda was not the first person to refuse

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<v Speaker 1>an Academy award. Dudley Nicholas rejected his Best Adapted Screenplay

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<v Speaker 1>award in nineteen thirty five for the informer due to

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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing Screenwriter's Guild strike. Some things never change. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, George C. Scott responded to his Best

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<v Speaker 1>Actor nomination for Patent by informing the Academy outright that

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<v Speaker 1>he would not be attending the ceremony, dismissing it as

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<v Speaker 1>quote a two hour meat parade. Hell Yes, Hollywood inside

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<v Speaker 1>assumed that the rebuff would tank his chances during Academy voting,

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<v Speaker 1>but he ultimately won.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Presenter Goldie Hawn exclaimed, oh my god when she saw

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<v Speaker 1>his name in the envelope, that's oh man. The award

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<v Speaker 1>was accepted by the film's producer, But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>George Scott ever actually took it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for him. I thought you'd like that. He was

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<v Speaker 2>probably hammered. And then I woke up and was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta stick with this. Now we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a quick break, but we'll be right back with more.

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<v Speaker 2>Too much information in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we got to talk about acceptance speeches after

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<v Speaker 1>last night's show. This gets a little weird because, by

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<v Speaker 1>my research, as cited in places like The Independent, the

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<v Speaker 1>longest acceptance speech in Oscar's history was given by actress

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<v Speaker 1>Greer Garson, who went on by again. My research shows

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<v Speaker 1>me over seven minutes after being presented with the Best

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<v Speaker 1>Actress statuette for performance in nineteen forty two's Missus Miniver.

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<v Speaker 1>It's believed that this incident led to the Academy instituting

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<v Speaker 1>time limits for speeches. However, I'm seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>headlines today that Adrian Brody's speech last night, that the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five Oscars broke the record for the longest speech,

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<v Speaker 1>and places like Huffington Post are citing geers speech from

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<v Speaker 1>the forties as clocking in it five minutes and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds instead of seven which I've been seeing elsewhere, which

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<v Speaker 1>is now beaten out by Adrian Brody's speech last night,

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<v Speaker 1>which was five minutes in forty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>It was interminable. Yes, yes, I felt, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>never had any special affinity with him, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, wow, you really not a lot going on

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<v Speaker 2>under that hood. Huh No, Given the Greer's speech occurred

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<v Speaker 2>before TV broadcasts, I'm having a hard time tracking it

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<v Speaker 2>down and actually timing it. So, yeah, mileage may vary.

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<v Speaker 1>But then for one of the shortest speeches, we go

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<v Speaker 1>to noted short guy Joe Peshi friend of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the show, Yes, friend of the pod. He

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<v Speaker 1>said six words upon receiving a statuette for Best Supporting

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<v Speaker 1>Actor in Goodfellas, it was my privilege. Thank you, classy.

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<v Speaker 1>But the record for the shortest Oscar speech in a he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Written songs with less fewer words than that. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a talented singer songwriter.

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<v Speaker 1>But the record for the shortest Oscar speech in a

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<v Speaker 1>performance category is actually tied between William Holden, who was

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<v Speaker 1>also probably drunk, and Alfred Hitchcock, who both simply said

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<v Speaker 1>thank you and walked off. Although I think hitch got

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<v Speaker 1>an Honorary Irving Thalberg Award in nineteen sixty eight, so

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<v Speaker 1>he actually had time to prep a speech because he

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<v Speaker 1>knew he was getting it, and he's still opted not to,

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<v Speaker 1>probably because he was pissed because he'd gotten six nominations

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<v Speaker 1>in the past for Best Director and never won.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a little like the Marty one, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for finally they give it to him and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, okay, yes, I'm begrudgingly happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you need to do this. Anecdote from one of

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania's finest.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A tough old man from Pennsylvania. Come on, this, says

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<v Speaker 1>alex Igo, written all over it. Others have been more

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<v Speaker 1>creative with their moment in the spotlight over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>When Louise Fletcher won the Best Supporting Actress statue for

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<v Speaker 1>her role as Nurse Ratchet and One Flew Over the

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<v Speaker 1>Cuckoo's Nest in nineteen seventy six, she gave part of

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<v Speaker 1>her speech in sign language so she could address her

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<v Speaker 1>deaf parents watching at home in Birmingham, Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck. That's touching, Yeah it is. It's like a huge

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<v Speaker 2>disabilities visibility moment. I don't think I knew that. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say thank you for teaching me to have

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<v Speaker 2>a dream. She signed, you are seeing my dream come true,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she went and started an Exorcist two oh.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jack Palance got a even more physical during his

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<v Speaker 2>speech the blood movie. Tough Guy may have been seventy

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<v Speaker 2>three years old when he won his Best Supporting Actor

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar for his role as gruff cowboy Curly Washburn in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one City Slickers, But he's eager to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 2>his physical fitness for the audience kind of like an

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<v Speaker 2>RFK moment. Right, we're like a weird old guy doing

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<v Speaker 2>push ups. Yeah? Probably was he pretty red? I imagine No,

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<v Speaker 2>he actually looked kind of deathly pale all to be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you, well, either way, he was perhaps inspired

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<v Speaker 2>by his City Slickers co star Billy Crystal, who was

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<v Speaker 2>hosting that year, and immediately after arriving on stage, Palan's

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<v Speaker 2>quoted one of the more colorful lines from the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that he could crap bigger than the diminutive Crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he launched into a story about how the insurance

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<v Speaker 2>agents at the studio worried whether he was healthy enough

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<v Speaker 2>to act in such a rigorous production at his age.

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<v Speaker 2>Palence claimed that he hallayed their fears by performing a

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<v Speaker 2>series of one armed push ups, which he then demonstrated

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<v Speaker 2>on stage amid loud cheers from the crowd. Your thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>you seem distressed. You know it's a meat parade, Sure is,

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<v Speaker 2>Geersey Scott's. Didn't Jack Palance do other weird shit like

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<v Speaker 2>he like he like towed like boats with his teeth

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<v Speaker 2>or something. He was like a real like Johnny b

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<v Speaker 2>fitness or something. Right, I think it's Jack Laine. Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that is different, guy. I did the Rogers Will Rogers thing. Yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sundowning. Uh okay, we can, we can finish tomorrow. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in my life. Oh I'm it's where the

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<v Speaker 2>sun is setting. Uh. The moment became a running gag

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the remainder of the telecast, with Billy Crystal offering

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<v Speaker 2>comedic updates that Palance was backstage on the StairMaster bungee,

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<v Speaker 2>jumping off the Hollywood Sign or preparing for spaceflight, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Crystal's memoir, But when the two co stars met

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<v Speaker 2>up at the after party, the newfound Oscar winner placed

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<v Speaker 2>the statuette on Crystal's shoulder before chuckling Billy Crystal, who

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would be you. That's great. Uh. Crystal accepted

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<v Speaker 2>the moment his expression of attitude from Palans for co

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<v Speaker 2>writing the film City Slickers and fighting to cast him,

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<v Speaker 2>thus helping him take home the Academy Award after two

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<v Speaker 2>prior nominations forty years earlier. It was his really funny

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<v Speaker 2>way of staying thank you to a little New York

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<v Speaker 2>jewey guy who got on the Oscar, Christal recalled during

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<v Speaker 2>an appearance on inside the actors' studio. The pair reteamed

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<v Speaker 2>at the Academy Awards the following year for the broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>introductory sketch, which featured Palins dragging a giant oscar on

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<v Speaker 2>stage with Crystal again the host riding it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very cute. Not a great segue there, no that was

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<v Speaker 2>not moving from vanity to another sin of the flesh.

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<v Speaker 2>When Tom Hanks accepted his Oscar for playing no segue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tom Hanks, There's no segue for this part. When

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Hanks accepted his Oscar for playing a gay lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>dying of AIDS in nineteen ninety three's Philadelphia, he took

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<v Speaker 1>a moment during his acceptance speech to thank his former

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<v Speaker 1>high school drama teacher, Roleigh Farnsworth, referring to him as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the finest gay Americans. The tribute had the

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<v Speaker 1>unintended side effect of launching Farnsworth into the media spotlight,

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<v Speaker 1>with headlines like outed at the Oscars. In truth, Hanks

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<v Speaker 1>had called Farnsworth three days before the ceremony and asked

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<v Speaker 1>for permission to disclose the sexuality in the speech. The

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<v Speaker 1>pair hadn't spoken since Hanks had graduated from Skyline High

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<v Speaker 1>School in Oakland, California, in nineteen seventy four. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you'll remember me, Farnsworth, who was then sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>nice recalled Tom Hanks, saying, but I'm an old student

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<v Speaker 1>of yours. I've got a ticket to the Academy Awards,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I win, I would like to use your

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<v Speaker 1>name in regard to the content of Philadelphia. Farnsworth, who'd

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<v Speaker 1>been private about his sexuality during his thirty year teaching career,

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<v Speaker 1>said he would be thrilled. I thought, I've been retired

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<v Speaker 1>for twelve years. What harm could it do, he told

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<v Speaker 1>People magazine at the time. While many were mistakenly aghast

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<v Speaker 1>on Farnsworth's behalf, the man himself was deeply moved by

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<v Speaker 1>Hanks's speech. I didn't know exactly what he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, he admitted, but it was just overwhelming. The

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<v Speaker 1>experience motivated Farnsworth to join an organization of gay teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>and later that year he served as grand marshall in

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<v Speaker 1>an Atlanta parade for children with HIV. But another outcome

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<v Speaker 1>of Hanks's speech was that it inspired a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh man, this is so funny. I remember as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid this movie coming out, and like reading an

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<v Speaker 2>Entertainment Weekly blurb about it and being very like confused

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<v Speaker 2>as a child to what the circumstances of this were.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the confusion about whether or not Farnsworth had been

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<v Speaker 1>outed by Tom Hanks during his acceptance speech gave screenwriter

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Rudnick the idea for In and Out, a movie

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<v Speaker 1>about a closeted high school teacher whose secret is invertently

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<v Speaker 1>revealed during a former student's acceptance speech at the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 1>As Turner Classic movie host Dave carg observed to The

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times in twenty nineteen, it's safe to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only Oscar speech in history to inspire another movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good movie. Yet yet that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, some Oscar acceptance speech by the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>This is great. This is a late edition of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an amazing blog called stephenfollows dot com which broke

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<v Speaker 1>down Oscar speeches from nineteen thirty nine to twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and his stats are pretty hilarious. According to his work,

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<v Speaker 1>screenwriters have the best vocabulary, which makes sense since their

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<v Speaker 1>speeches on average contained upwards of three hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five words, whereas sound mixers have the least, with approximately

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy five words.

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<v Speaker 2>On average.

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<v Speaker 1>The average Oscar speech thanks around nine people. Actress's name

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<v Speaker 1>checked the greatest number of people, with an average of

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen point eight per speech, because women are just better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, I was going to mean they talk so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they are. It'd be shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>The record for the most thanked people during an Oscar's

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<v Speaker 1>acceptance speech went down.

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<v Speaker 2>What parents, No, who, manager?

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<v Speaker 1>No, let me the account, Let me tell you the

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<v Speaker 1>stat You're misunderstanding my stat will you?

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<v Speaker 2>I will not you? Was Richard. Here's last mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>You are grossly misunderstanding the stat I am trying to share.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my biggest pet peeve is when people misunderstand the

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<v Speaker 1>stat I am trying to share. The record for the

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<v Speaker 1>most people thanked during a single acceptance speech went down

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<v Speaker 1>on producers John Landau and James Cameron accepted the Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>for Best Picture for Titanic in nineteen ninety eight. John

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<v Speaker 1>Landau spoke first, thanking fifty four people by name in

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is impressive that it just as a sheer verbal mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good for him. End of radio ad with the

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<v Speaker 2>like this o you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Side effects for medication ads skill level.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Southern auctioneer level words. Yes. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was then followed by fellow producer James Cameron, who

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<v Speaker 1>thanked nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that was the King of the World moment, right, Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean in his defense he was he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>note that John had thanked everybody, and he asked for

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<v Speaker 2>a few seconds of silence and remembrance of the fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred men, women and children who died in connection with

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<v Speaker 2>the Titanic, the ship, not the shoot. James Cameron only

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<v Speaker 2>killed maybe fifteen people for legal reasons. Because I still

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<v Speaker 2>want to write a book about the making of the

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<v Speaker 2>Titanic movie. I told you about that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I pitched it to my book ye, to your agent,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, yeah, I don't know if it has

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<v Speaker 1>the same mass appeal as some of my other projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just I just did it. I just sold

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<v Speaker 1>an oral history on the Big Bang theory. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, this is this is Titanic. This is up

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<v Speaker 1>there with like the Wizard of Oz and the God thought.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds really dumb. It's a dumb thing to say, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>yes it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh here, this is an interesting fact, speaking of being

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<v Speaker 1>ungrateful to people who support them, the instance of people

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<v Speaker 1>thanking their partners has decreased by ten percent in the

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<v Speaker 1>last decade, which I find interesting. I blame COVID honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to thank everyone on

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<v Speaker 2>poly cool with these younger actors, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's get a bummer stat out of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Weinstein is the second most commonly thanked living person

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<v Speaker 1>in Oscar's history.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, yeah, people, Hollywood was really propped up by him

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<v Speaker 2>for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>But Spielberg is the most thanked living person. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about some winners. We

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<v Speaker 1>love winners on this show, Heigel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's true. We do love winners, and especially when

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<v Speaker 2>they're sore winners. Yes. One of the bitchest acceptance speeches

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<v Speaker 2>ever given was by a songwriter, composer Randy Newman. To

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<v Speaker 2>no one's surprise, Who've been nominated fifteen times before he

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<v Speaker 2>finally won for his original song If I Didn't Have

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<v Speaker 2>You from two thousand and one. In his speech, he

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<v Speaker 2>thanked the music branch of the cat to me for

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<v Speaker 2>quote giving me so many chances to be humiliated. That's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, his family has the most oscars in history though. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why he was so bitters because his like Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>and his like uncle had both already scooped up multiple

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<v Speaker 2>Oscars by this point. But they were like that, Randy, No,

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<v Speaker 2>we all like him. Paul Newman wasn't even in the

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<v Speaker 2>building when he won his first competitive Oscar for Best

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<v Speaker 2>Actor in the Color of Money. He had previously said,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there six times and lost. Maybe if I

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<v Speaker 2>stay away, I'll win. Love Paul, Yeah, my second favorite, Paul. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably might have been a little toasted that night,

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<v Speaker 2>just geting, getting drunk on bud, just being like, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Barton Scorsese had been nominated seven times when he finally

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<v Speaker 2>won for the Depotted in two thousand and seven. The

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<v Speaker 2>Academy must have let the word out early, because he

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<v Speaker 2>was presented for the honor by his old seventies New

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood raging bulls. You know those guys, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas,

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<v Speaker 2>and Francis Ford Coppola. They didn't invite John Carpenter. They

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<v Speaker 2>never do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very cute moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I assumed when I saw them all up there,

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<v Speaker 1>and like everyone knew, Oh, it's got to be going

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<v Speaker 1>to Marty, and I assumed like that was one moment

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<v Speaker 1>when they kind of let the secret out just so

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<v Speaker 1>they could get everybody there. But then last night they

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<v Speaker 1>had Mick Jagger on hand and Elton John was nominated,

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<v Speaker 1>and it almost seemed like, oh, they've got Mick Jagger

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<v Speaker 1>to give it to Elton, and then it went to

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<v Speaker 1>some I forget who it went to, and Mix seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like visibly disappointed, and so I'm wondering maybe that was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone just assumes it's going to go to Elton, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get mixed. Maybe in this what if all three of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys were up there and it went to like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Giamo del Toro or.

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<v Speaker 2>Something, then that would have been funny in the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Lowers's head, dude, Giermo.

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<v Speaker 2>Do Toro fish movie. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Another really cute on stage Oscar's moment is Muhammad Ali

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<v Speaker 1>comes out to surprise Syvester Stallone when he was presenting

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<v Speaker 1>an award during like the Rocky Year, and they engage

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<v Speaker 1>in like a brief, good natured sparring match on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>as Ali jokingly accusedes Stallone of like stealing his life

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<v Speaker 1>story for the Rocky Script.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like a year or two earlier, Stallone had

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<v Speaker 1>to like sell his dog to be able to eat

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<v Speaker 1>and survive, and now he was at the Oscars with

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<v Speaker 1>his hero like surprising him on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very sweet. Yeah, that is quite cute. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>become a tradition over the years for winners to take

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<v Speaker 2>a photo kissing their oscars. This trend began with a

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<v Speaker 2>great Audrey Hepburn after she run won hers for Roman

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<v Speaker 2>Holiday in nineteen fifty four. In no surprise to those

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<v Speaker 2>of you with taste and wherewithal, the most nominated actor

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<v Speaker 2>at the Oscars is Meryl Street is a total of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one between Deer Hunter and Night teen seventy nine

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<v Speaker 2>and The Post in twenty eighteen. Catherine Hepburn still holds

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<v Speaker 2>the record for the most wins at four, with Streep

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<v Speaker 2>and Jack Nicholson tied for second with three. Apiece composer

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<v Speaker 2>and Spielberg buddy John Williams is the only person in

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar's history to be nominated in seven consecutive decades, starting

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight, for Best Scoring of Music for

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<v Speaker 2>Valley of the Dolls. Yeah, baby, to his most recent

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<v Speaker 2>nominations for Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. They all have to be good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>bookended by. To date, he has racked up a total

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty four nominations, he's won five and he's also

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest person ever to be nominated at age ninety two.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was nice to my mom back of the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Most importantly, I mean's he is the greatest of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's not even yeah, nobody's actually competing for that

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<v Speaker 2>category with John Williams. I'm sorry everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a family gout fit where it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>Porn Awards and they had all these like best score

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<v Speaker 1>for partial Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>John Williams with the London Symphonic Orchestra. So good. However,

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<v Speaker 2>Walt Disney has the most Oscar wins ever. In all,

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<v Speaker 2>he's won twenty two competitive Oscars and four honorary Oscars

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<v Speaker 2>out of possible fifty nine nominations. He was nominated for

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<v Speaker 2>an Oscar a year between nineteen forty two and nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>But he just like ran animation in Hollywood, so and

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<v Speaker 1>they're all animation categories.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming so I don't know that. I don't count that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit like the Apples and Oranges thing like. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I lost an award to the Seven Dwarves. The record

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<v Speaker 2>for the shortest Oscar winning performance goes to Beatrice Strait,

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<v Speaker 2>who played the heartbroken wife of a philandering TV station

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<v Speaker 2>president in Sidney La Maze nineteen seventy six film Network.

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<v Speaker 2>She appears in just one scene, which she delivers an

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<v Speaker 2>impassioned monologue confronting her husband about his affair. Five minutes

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<v Speaker 2>and two seconds of screen time well spent. The moment

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<v Speaker 2>earned her an Academy Award, alongside co stars Paid Dunaway,

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<v Speaker 2>who took him the Best Actress statuette and Peter Finch,

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<v Speaker 2>who became the first actor honored with a posthumous OSCAR.

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<v Speaker 2>James Deem was the first actor to earn posthumous nominations,

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<v Speaker 2>with back to back nods in nineteen fifty five and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty six for East of Eden and Giant, respectively. And

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<v Speaker 2>who's the other posthumous one? It was Heath Ledger, right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he blecher you. Jean dou Jardins has the distinction of

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<v Speaker 2>winning an Acting Oscar with the least amount of dialogue

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<v Speaker 2>for the Artists in twenty eleven. The film is almost

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<v Speaker 2>entirely silent save for twelve words, two of which are

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<v Speaker 2>his with pleasure, with Pleasure avec Cezier. The Artist was

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<v Speaker 2>also the first entirely black and white film to win

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<v Speaker 2>Best Picture since The Apartment in nineteen sixty, over half

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<v Speaker 2>a century earlier. Oh and Okay, Yeah, Let's go to Sweepers.

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<v Speaker 2>As of the ninety sixth Academy Awards twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>forty one films have won at least two Acting Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Of these, three A street Car Named Desire nineteen fifty one,

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<v Speaker 2>Network in nineteen seventy six and Everything Everywhere, All at

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<v Speaker 2>Once in twenty twenty two have won three Acting awards.

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<v Speaker 2>A street Car named Desire scored statuettes for Vivian Lay,

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<v Speaker 2>Karl Malden, and Kim Hunter. However, Marlon Brando lost Best

2:24:23.640 --> 2:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Actor to Humphrey Bogart in The African Queen. In Network,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Finch, Fade Dunaway, and Behri Strait all won, but

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<v Speaker 2>Ned Batty lost Best Supporting Actor to Jason Robards for

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<v Speaker 2>All the President's Men, Everything Everywhere, All at Once did

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<v Speaker 2>not have a Best Actor nominee, but won Best Actress

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<v Speaker 2>for Michelle Yeoh, Best Supporting Actor for Kei Hui Kwan,

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<v Speaker 2>and Best Supporting Actress for Jamie Lee Curtis, which, if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, was some kind of an abomination because

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<v Speaker 2>there was another Best Supporting Actress win that people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>why is she in this? For being the token white

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<v Speaker 2>lady in this movie? There actually have been ties in

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar history. Meanwhile, in nineteen thirty two, during the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>Academy Awards, Frederick Marsh received one more vote for his

2:25:06.800 --> 2:25:09.600
<v Speaker 2>performance in Doctor Jekyl and Mister Hyde than did Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>Beery for the champ but under the Academy's rules at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, a difference of less than three votes was

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<v Speaker 2>considered a tie, not how ties work, and both actors

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<v Speaker 2>were honored. March and Beery also shared the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they had each recently adopted children, which led Frederick Marsh

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<v Speaker 2>to joke, under the circumstances, it seems a little odd

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<v Speaker 2>that Wally and I were both given awards for the

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<v Speaker 2>best Male Performance of the Year. That's funny. In later years,

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<v Speaker 2>the rules were changed to recognize that only an exact

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<v Speaker 2>tie in a major category because no shit. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine, during the first Academy Awards ceremony to be

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<v Speaker 2>televised worldwide, Katherine Hepburn for The Line in Winter, the

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<v Speaker 2>movie Not Her State of Being, and Barbara Streisend for

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<v Speaker 2>Funny Girl, shared Best Actress honors when each received precisely

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand and thirty votes. For Hepburn, this was her

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<v Speaker 2>record setting eleventh nomination and third win. For Streisan it

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<v Speaker 2>was her film debut. Catherine Hepburn hated her I have

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<v Speaker 2>to assume.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of guess that this is such an

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<v Speaker 1>all about Eve moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Or show Girls. We should do Showgirls. Sure, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen it. Oh, it might How does it rank in

2:26:20.600 --> 2:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the U in the Hustler's Magic, Mike Honaura, it might

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<v Speaker 2>be a little too much for you for me? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how so? Because it's Joe Estra was writing, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who wrote Basic Instincts, So it's like his idea of

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<v Speaker 2>how like beautiful women talk to each other and it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also Paul Vyrhoven, who whoa I didn't know that,

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<v Speaker 2>and comic Blachlin's in it. Oh my god, No, it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fascinating movie, but I don't think I can

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<v Speaker 2>wholeheartedly recommend it. No, I can, Yeah, I can watch

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<v Speaker 2>show Girls Joe for Showgirls. As we mentioned earlier, Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Finch was the first performer to win a Costumius Oscar

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<v Speaker 2>for Best Actor in nineteen sen teventy six Network. The

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<v Speaker 2>award was accepted by his widow. The sixtieth Academy Awards

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty eight was the first time we had

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<v Speaker 2>an Oscar nominee who was actively being sought by police.

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<v Speaker 2>This was screenwriter Gustav Hasford, who wrote the book that

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket was based on the Short Timers.

2:27:17.680 --> 2:27:19.360
<v Speaker 2>He was listed as a co writer on the script,

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<v Speaker 2>although exactly how much he contributed has been debated, and

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<v Speaker 2>at the time he was wanted in connection with grand

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<v Speaker 2>theft charges involving a large collection of library books, which

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<v Speaker 2>is just adorable. Well, well, the law library books. His

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<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia page is quite something. In nineteen eighty five, Hassford

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<v Speaker 2>had borrowed ninety eight books from the Sacramento, California Public

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<v Speaker 2>Library but never returned them. An arrest warrant for misdemeanor

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<v Speaker 2>grand theft was issued, but local authorities were unable to

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<v Speaker 2>find him. In March of nineteen eighty eight, shortly before

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<v Speaker 2>the Academy Awards ceremony, campus police from California Polytechnic State

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<v Speaker 2>University in San Luis Obispo, California, found nearly ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>library book in Haspard's rented storage locker. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>he had eighty seven overdue books and five years of

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<v Speaker 2>Civil War Times magazine checked out cow Pauly Slo Library.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for him.

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<v Speaker 2>The materials were initially valued at three grand and were

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<v Speaker 2>later revalued at twenty grand. Haspard's book collection, to use

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<v Speaker 2>that term generously, included books borrowed and never returned from

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<v Speaker 2>dozens of libraries across the United States, from libraries in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and the United Kingdom, and legitate in My favorite

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<v Speaker 2>note book was taken from the homes of acquaintances, not

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<v Speaker 2>even friends. Acquaintances is a fiend for books. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a kleptomaniac, but just for books. It'd be so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it says Civil War books too. Oh man.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he transitioned it all to like Ken

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<v Speaker 2>Burns DVD's played Friend five Well there wasn't much a

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<v Speaker 2>later in life. Among this spectacular collection were nineteenth century

2:29:24.959 --> 2:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>books on Edgar Allan Poe and the American Civil War.

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<v Speaker 2>Hasford had obtained borrowing privileges at cal Poly Slo as

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<v Speaker 2>a California resident, using the residential address of a motel

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<v Speaker 2>near campus and a false social security number. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, he was charged with two counts of grand

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<v Speaker 2>theft and ten counts of possession of stolen property. On

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<v Speaker 2>January fourth, nineteen eighty nine, Hasford was sentenced to six

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<v Speaker 2>months imprisonment, of which he served three months, and promised

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<v Speaker 2>to pay eleven hundred dollars in restitution from the royalties

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<v Speaker 2>of his future works. He was also ordered to pay

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<v Speaker 2>the shipping costs for the return of seven hundred and

2:29:58.800 --> 2:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>forty eight books to nine libraries throughout the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Hasford was impoverished and suffering from untreated diabetes, and pulled

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard Cohen on everyone's ass. He moved to the Greek

2:30:09.640 --> 2:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>island of Aegina and died there of heart failure on

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety three, at the age of

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<v Speaker 2>forty five. I'd say that counts as a win. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, ten thousand library books and stole it books

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<v Speaker 2>stolen from acquaintances. Yes, and he just got off with

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<v Speaker 2>a letter. He just went to Greece about it. What

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<v Speaker 2>a sham.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are the winners, but let's not forget the losers.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot forget the losers on this show. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, Glenn Close and Peter O'Toole have the ignoble

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<v Speaker 1>honor of earning the most Oscar nominations without a win.

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<v Speaker 2>They've each racked up eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter O'Toole was apparently annoyed when he learned he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting an honorary Oscar In two thousand and three, Variety

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<v Speaker 1>reported that he sent a letter to the Academy asking

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<v Speaker 1>them to hold off with the honorary award quote until

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<v Speaker 1>I am as he is, quote still in the game

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<v Speaker 1>and might win the lovely bugger outright. Frank Pearson, the

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<v Speaker 1>president of the Academy, responded with a note saying the

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<v Speaker 1>award is for achievement and contribution to the art of

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<v Speaker 1>the motion picture, not for retirement. It will be at

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<v Speaker 1>the Academy fee to pick up when you're eighty or

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're ready. But as we mentioned at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode. Even losers have a reason to celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to the infamous Oscars swag bags loaded with gifts

2:31:30.680 --> 2:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>worth upwards of one hundred grand. These include multiple luxury vacations,

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<v Speaker 1>signature chocolates, a range of beauty products, jewelry and more.

2:31:40.879 --> 2:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Some years have even gifted the nominees therapy sessions, cannabis

2:31:44.920 --> 2:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>infused chocolates, and cannabis.

2:31:47.080 --> 2:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Seed facial moisturizer.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to the winners. We should really only talk

2:31:51.280 --> 2:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>about winners on the show. Here are some fun facts

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<v Speaker 1>about those who have taken home the Little gold Man,

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<v Speaker 1>delivered in the form of a quiz higel. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you if.

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<v Speaker 2>You know some of these.

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<v Speaker 1>There are only two families with three generations of Oscar winners.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are they? Barry Moore's no, that's a good that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Newman's no for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, these might be performers as opposed to writers. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're right, the Newman's of the most Oscar nominated

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<v Speaker 1>family eighty nine nominations in counting. Yeah, actually, no, those

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<v Speaker 1>are only two generations now that I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>The Newmans are only two generations.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so, okay, we have two families who have

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<v Speaker 1>three generations.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Oscar winners. Let me tell you. Yeah, The Houston's

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<v Speaker 2>Walter Houston one Best Supporting Actor in nineteen forty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>John Houston won Best Director and Best Screenplay in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight, and granddaughter Angelica Houston won Best Supporting Actress

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty five. And then, of course, the Coppola's

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<v Speaker 2>Carmine Coppola one for Best Dramatic Score for The Godfather,

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<v Speaker 2>Francis Ford Coppola one for Best Original Screenplay.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he wrote the screenplay for pat But that's still

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<v Speaker 1>only two generations though, And then Sophia, Yeah, Sophia Coppola,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the third? Francis Coppola's dad wrote the theme to

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<v Speaker 1>The Godfather.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Nino Roda and it was also based off

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<v Speaker 2>of Sicilian folk melodies Sicilians love to Steal.

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<v Speaker 1>Carmen Coppola won both the Academy Award for Best Original

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<v Speaker 1>Score and Golden Global Were for Best Original Score composed

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<v Speaker 1>with Nina Roda.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, this is a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one pair of brothers who've been nominated for

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<v Speaker 1>acting Oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are they? And before you answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck don't count because Ben's two

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars weren't for acting, they were for Best Original Screenplay

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<v Speaker 1>for good Will Hunting and Best Picture for Argo.

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<v Speaker 2>One pair of brothers nominated for acting oscars, Bill Murray

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<v Speaker 2>and Brian Doyle Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>It is River Phoenix and Joaquin Phoenix, River for Running

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<v Speaker 1>on Empty in nineteen eighty eight and Joakeen for Gladiator

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<v Speaker 1>Walked the Line and the Master.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly didn't know that seems like a gimme. I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't know River Phoenix that ever been nominated. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he was just like he was widely agreed to,

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<v Speaker 2>just be like a little boy king.

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<v Speaker 1>There are only two married couples who've won acting oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you name either of them currently or at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's a good question. They were not married when

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<v Speaker 1>they both won in some In one case, they were

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<v Speaker 1>married when one of them won.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, can you give me some decades here, or.

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<v Speaker 1>At least like forties and fifties, in fifties and eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>fifties and eighties. This one will make sense when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Hitchcock and his wife? Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>He never won a competitive Oscar, so we got Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Newman and Joanne Woodward. Paul Newman won nineteen eighty six

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<v Speaker 1>for the Color of Money.

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<v Speaker 2>Joann Woodward won in.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty seven for the Three Faces of Eve. They were

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<v Speaker 1>married in fifty eight, which was after Woodburg got or

2:34:58.160 --> 2:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Oscar Lawrence a Living One for Hamlet in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight and Vivian Lee for Streetcar Named Desire in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, good for them. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, she also won for a Gun with a Wind too. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is another good one. Angelia and Joelie won the

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<v Speaker 1>Best Supporting Actress Oscar for Girl Interrupted in two thousand.

2:35:17.840 --> 2:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Her father John Voight won Best Actor for nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight Coming Home. Who is the only other father daughter

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<v Speaker 1>Best Acting pair?

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<v Speaker 2>They both won Best Actor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Paltrow?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, but that's a good And it's not during either.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been my second guest. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who is it? It is Barbarella herself? Oh sure? And

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<v Speaker 2>old Henry Jane Fonda Yeah, for.

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<v Speaker 1>Clute in nineteen seventy one and Coming Home in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight, and her father Henry Fonda one in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one for On Golden Pond.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, two more of these.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the only Academy Award winner whose parents both also

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<v Speaker 1>received to Oscars. I can give you multiple choice if

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<v Speaker 1>you want, please one Angelica Houston, two Liza Minelli, three

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Fonda, or four Sophia Coppola both.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents would have been was it is Liza? It is Liza,

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct. I thought you glitched out on me.

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<v Speaker 2>There No, okay? Wow?

2:36:20.360 --> 2:36:24.720
<v Speaker 1>One for six that was good. And finally, this is

2:36:24.720 --> 2:36:28.320
<v Speaker 1>a tough one. Joelnathan Cohen each won Oscars for the

2:36:28.400 --> 2:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>direction of No Country for Old Men. It was only

2:36:30.920 --> 2:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the second time in Oscar's history that two individuals shared

2:36:34.000 --> 2:36:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the directing honor. Who was the first? You will never

2:36:36.800 --> 2:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>get this? Well, I mean you might, but.

2:36:41.080 --> 2:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Toby Hooper and Steven Spielberg for Poltergeist.

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<v Speaker 1>It deserves it.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I don't know, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins winning for nineteen sixty one's

2:36:52.440 --> 2:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>West Side Story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I would never have known that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. All right, let's get into the racial stuff. Yes,

2:37:03.160 --> 2:37:05.560
<v Speaker 2>we have now arrived at the Oscar so white section.

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<v Speaker 2>It took more than a decade for an African American

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<v Speaker 2>to win and even receive a nomination for an Academy

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<v Speaker 2>Award for Acting. The honor went to Hettie McDaniel, who

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<v Speaker 2>earned a Best Supporting Actress statuette. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>a plaque back then for her role as Mamy in

2:37:21.600 --> 2:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty nine's Gone with the Winds. While the achievement

2:37:25.240 --> 2:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>was an important breakthrough for black performers, the moment was

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<v Speaker 2>not completely victorious for McDaniel, the daughter of two former slaves.

2:37:33.320 --> 2:37:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Segregation was still the law of the land throughout much

2:37:35.640 --> 2:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>of the United States, and producer David o' selznik had

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<v Speaker 2>the pool strings to ensure that McDaniel would even be

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to attend the ceremony at the Ambassador Hotel's Coconut

2:37:45.080 --> 2:37:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Grove nightclub, which had a strict no blacks policy their words,

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<v Speaker 2>Despite David oh Sales MC's endorsement, McDaniel was prohibited from

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<v Speaker 2>sitting with her fellow cast mates. Instead, she was banished

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<v Speaker 2>to a small table in the back of the room

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<v Speaker 2>along with her escort and agent. This was still an

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<v Speaker 2>upgrade from the film's Atlanta premiere, for which she was

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<v Speaker 2>barred entirely an African American's Children choir was hired to

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<v Speaker 2>pose as slaves at the event, and this choir included

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<v Speaker 2>a young Martin Luther King Junior. McDaniel found herself typecast

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<v Speaker 2>following her famous role and gone with the wind, and

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<v Speaker 2>went on to play more than seventy domestic servant.

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<v Speaker 1>Roles over the next decade. She would say, I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>play a maid than be a maid. Even so, the

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<v Speaker 1>NAACP took a dim view of her credits and effectively

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<v Speaker 1>just owned her for allegedly perpetuating negative stereotypes. The indignities

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<v Speaker 1>continued even after McDaniel's death in nineteen fifty two. Her

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<v Speaker 1>final wish was to be buried in Hollywood Cemetery, but

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<v Speaker 1>this was denied due to her race and the oscar

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<v Speaker 1>she bequeathed the Howard University was deemed worthless by appraisers.

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<v Speaker 1>The plaque then went missing by the early seventies, and

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<v Speaker 1>to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never been recovered. Jesus Christ, that is just a

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<v Speaker 2>little on the nose. Yes, Holy, that got worse and worse. Yeah, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this history of the States we are.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be sixty two years before another black actress

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<v Speaker 1>received an Academy Award great odds. This time it went

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<v Speaker 1>to Halle Berry for her starring turn in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two's Monsters Ball. This moment is so much bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than me, she said during her tearful acceptance speech. It's

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<v Speaker 1>for every nameless, faceless woman of color that now has

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<v Speaker 1>a chance because this door tonight has been opened. Barry remains,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, the only black actress to ever win in

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<v Speaker 1>the Leading Role category.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's still keeping it tight.

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<v Speaker 1>The first African American to win an Oscar for Best

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<v Speaker 1>Actor was Sidney Poitier, who won for Lilies of the

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<v Speaker 1>Field in nineteen sixty three. Denzel Washington became the second

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<v Speaker 1>African American actor to win the Oscar for Best Actor

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<v Speaker 1>for Training Day in two thousand and.

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<v Speaker 2>One flawless movie No Notes.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's the first African American actor to have won

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars for both Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor. He

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<v Speaker 1>won for nineteen eighty nine's Glory and a black filmmaker

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<v Speaker 1>has never won Best Director.

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<v Speaker 2>There it is there, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it took seventy seven years for a non

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<v Speaker 1>white filmmaker to win Best Director. That honor belongs to

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<v Speaker 1>ang Lee who won in two thousand and six for

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<v Speaker 1>Brooke Back Mountain. It took eighty one years for a

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<v Speaker 1>woman the win Best Director. That was in twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 1>when Catherine Bigelow triumphed over her ex husband James Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>for The hurt Locker.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful moment in Hollywood history. Also a great film. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean yeah, I love her whole arc against James. It's

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<v Speaker 2>son funny. Yes. Rita Moreno became the first Hispanic woman

2:40:50.920 --> 2:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>to win an Oscar for her role as Anita in

2:40:52.920 --> 2:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty one's West Side Story. She would be the

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<v Speaker 2>only Hispanic woman for nearly six decades, and then Arianna

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<v Speaker 2>Bose won the award for the same role in Steven

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<v Speaker 2>Spielberg's remake in twenty twenty one. In addition to being

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<v Speaker 2>the second Latina to win an Acting Oscar, she's the

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<v Speaker 2>first openly queer woman of color to win an Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>And Zoe Saldana became the first American of Dominican origin

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<v Speaker 2>to win Academy Award on Sunday for Emilia Perez, a

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<v Speaker 2>movie which was extensively cast and location scouted for in

2:41:27.440 --> 2:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Mexico and then neither shot nor casted anything Mexican in it,

2:41:34.480 --> 2:41:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and also whose star has just a rich, well documented

2:41:39.879 --> 2:41:46.879
<v Speaker 2>history of saying real bad stuff about other races. So

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<v Speaker 2>we did it, Joe. We kept Amelia Perez from cleaning up.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I have another question for you, Heigel. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been two other instances of two different actors winning

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars for the same character. Do you want to guess

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<v Speaker 1>who they are?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Would it be John Wayne and Jeff Daniels for

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<v Speaker 2>True Grid? Not Jeff Daniels, Jeff Bridges. No, No, you're

2:42:13.400 --> 2:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>you're overthinking it. You know these? Wait? Two different asking?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, two different actors, one Oscars for playing the same character.

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<v Speaker 2>This has happened twice. Harry Potter, No, I don't know.

2:42:26.000 --> 2:42:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Sorry, man, I'm burnt.

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<v Speaker 1>Marlon Brando and Robert de Niro as don Vito Corleone

2:42:32.240 --> 2:42:35.760
<v Speaker 1>for The Godfather Got Mother Part Too, and also Heath

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<v Speaker 1>Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker in the Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Night and Joker respectively.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was embarrassing. I don't know. Maybe

2:42:43.480 --> 2:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't love the movies as much as I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to big winning movies. The most Oscars won

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<v Speaker 1>by a single film is eleven. This has happened three

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<v Speaker 1>times in Oscar's history. Ben Hurr was the first to

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<v Speaker 1>attend em eleven Oscars in nineteen sixty, followed by Titanic

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety eight, and finally Lord of the Rings

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<v Speaker 1>the Return of the King in two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of the three, the Lord of the Rings was

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<v Speaker 1>the only film to win every single Oscar. It was

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<v Speaker 1>nominated for all eleven nominations. It took all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is insane. I've still never seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, come on, you should watch those just as an

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<v Speaker 2>example of like truly the Nail and the Coffin for

2:43:25.680 --> 2:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>that kind of filmmaking. But things I don't like that

2:43:29.200 --> 2:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>filmmaking is the thing. Yeah, I mean there's that. I

2:43:32.480 --> 2:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>know Peter Jackson loves the Beatles, but no, it's just

2:43:35.040 --> 2:43:37.720
<v Speaker 2>like there's never going to be anyone who gets to

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<v Speaker 2>do that again. Yeah. Yeah, So it's just interesting from

2:43:41.320 --> 2:43:43.879
<v Speaker 2>that perspective. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The most nominations received by a single film are fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and only three movies have notched those numbers nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 1>All About Eve, which only won six awards. Nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven is Titanic, which, as we mentioned, won eleven awards

2:43:57.400 --> 2:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteens La La Land, which only won six.

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<v Speaker 1>Three films have won the Big five categories Best Picture,

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<v Speaker 1>Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Screenplay in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four Is It Happened One Night, nineteen seventy five's

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<v Speaker 1>One Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest, and nineteen ninety one's

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<v Speaker 1>Silence of the Lambs. Hell, Yeah, and did you know, Heigel,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure this guy knows. This guy knows. An x

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<v Speaker 1>rated film one Best Picture. Midnight Cowboy has gone down

2:44:28.240 --> 2:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>in cinema history. Is one of the most revered films

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<v Speaker 1>of the sixties, thanks in large part due to Dustin

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffman's unforgettable portrayal as Ratzo I'm walking here Rizzo, the

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<v Speaker 1>wanna be pimp who befriends the naive stud known as

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Buck played by John Voight, and for Fred Neil right,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the Harry Nilsen doing the freend Neil song

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's Talking at Me? Yeah, Yeah, Well. Its reputation is

2:44:49.959 --> 2:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a Best Picture winner is reasonably well known. Few realize

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<v Speaker 1>that it's the first and to date only X rated

2:44:56.360 --> 2:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>movie in Oscar's history to earn that distinction. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>EX certification meant something very different at the time than

2:45:03.400 --> 2:45:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it does today. We've been that Cowboy was released in

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<v Speaker 1>May nineteen sixty nine. The Motion Picture Association of America

2:45:10.200 --> 2:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the MPAA was then only six months old. They distributed

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<v Speaker 1>X ratings to films that contained content judged unsuitable for children,

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<v Speaker 1>such as extreme violence, strongly implied sex, and graphic language.

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<v Speaker 1>Many mainstream movies of the era, including a Clockwork Orange,

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<v Speaker 1>Las Tango in Paris, and The Evil Dead, were marked

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<v Speaker 1>by the X, which barred anyone from under the age

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<v Speaker 1>of sixteen from entering. Ultimately, the rating was phased out

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety in favor of the NC seventeen rating.

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<v Speaker 1>But interestingly, the studio that produced Midnight Cowboy labeled it

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<v Speaker 1>with an X rating themselves without even submitting it to

2:45:46.680 --> 2:45:51.359
<v Speaker 1>the MPAA. United Oris production had David Picker just assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that the sexually explicit nature of the film, plus the druggy,

2:45:54.720 --> 2:45:58.440
<v Speaker 1>psychedelic freak out scenes and homosexual themes made it an

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<v Speaker 1>obvious contender for the strictest and he said, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go through the exercise of submitting it since

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't prepared to change the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>He's talking to the Hollywood Reporter. Stranger Still, when.

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<v Speaker 1>The MPAA did opt to review the movie in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, they downgraded the rating to an R, well

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<v Speaker 1>less extreme R.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the NPA for for the longest time,

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<v Speaker 2>the ratings board were just awful. I mean, we've touched

2:46:22.240 --> 2:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>briefly on it wasn't the guy in charge of it

2:46:24.520 --> 2:46:27.520
<v Speaker 2>for one year, like a for the Exorcist one, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a religious fundamentalist and held a particular grudge

2:46:30.440 --> 2:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>against the against that film. There's all it's it's utterly opaque,

2:46:34.840 --> 2:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and every filmmaker who's done anything in marginally challenging subject

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<v Speaker 2>materials talking about how artificial it all is. Where the

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<v Speaker 2>they'll like pull three frames out of a scene like

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<v Speaker 2>or a certain amount of Buddock thrusts in a sex scene,

2:46:49.520 --> 2:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>they'll resubmit it seven to ten times, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>last two times they didn't change anything. But and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like great, yeah, yeah, awful movies. Matt movie magic.

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<v Speaker 1>And now before we sign off, there's a few other

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<v Speaker 1>assorted Oscar winning movie factoids that I'd like to share

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<v Speaker 1>with you. In the form of a multiple choice quiz.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, get back to trivia, its to someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the first fully animated film to receive a

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<v Speaker 1>Best Picture nomination? Was it one The Lion King, two,

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<v Speaker 1>Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, three, Beauty and the

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<v Speaker 1>Beast or.

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<v Speaker 2>Four Toy Story three. I want to say Beauty in

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<v Speaker 2>the Beast Right, You're correct? Yeah, thank god we did.

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<v Speaker 2>We did an episode on it to date.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the only film to win both an Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>for Best Actor and a Golden Raspberry for Worst Supporting Actress.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it one? Wall Street?

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<v Speaker 1>Two?

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<v Speaker 2>Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Three Forrest Gump or

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<v Speaker 2>four Bohemian Rhapsody. Uh, Bohemian Rhapsody. No, Wall Street? Who's

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<v Speaker 2>the Well? I guess that answers my question. Who's the

2:48:03.800 --> 2:48:08.200
<v Speaker 2>female lead in Wall Street? I believe it was You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know it either. I think it was Daryl Hannah. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Daryl Hannah. That's sad.

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<v Speaker 1>I know which Best Picture winning film is the longest

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<v Speaker 1>run time with three hours and fifty four minutes, Titanic,

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<v Speaker 1>The Godfather, Gone with the Wind or Oppenheimer.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Oppenheimer set the new record or is it still

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<v Speaker 2>shorter than Titanic. I don't know, I got nothing. Gone

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<v Speaker 2>with the Wind? Oh okay, never seen it? Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't either.

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<v Speaker 1>The first color film to win Best Picture, but the

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<v Speaker 1>longest movie to ever win an Oscar, although not Best Picture,

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<v Speaker 1>was the nineteen sixty eight classic War in Peace, which

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<v Speaker 1>ran over seven hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Game is that Tartowski or one of those people other

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<v Speaker 2>people have to pretend to care about or they think so?

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<v Speaker 2>Two more, The two thousand and three film The Lord

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<v Speaker 2>of the Rings The Return of the King is one

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<v Speaker 2>of only two sequels to win Best Picture? What was

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<v Speaker 2>the other? Godfather? Too correct? Please? And finally, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>first foreign film to win Best Picture? Is it? One?

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<v Speaker 1>Parasite?

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<v Speaker 2>Two? Life Is Beautiful? Three Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon or

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<v Speaker 2>four of the Umbrellas of Cherburg. I guess Trapching Tiger.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say I don't recall it winning Best Picture, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted it to.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Parasite in twenty twenty. I also took you

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<v Speaker 1>so long?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you said that, I also kind of knew that,

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<v Speaker 2>but hey, I didn't say it, and I'm suitably chastened.

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<v Speaker 1>Director Bong Joon ho said, once you overcome the one

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<v Speaker 1>inch tall barrier of subtitles. You will be introduced to

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<v Speaker 1>so many more amazing films. Yeah, yeah, well, Heigel. In

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<v Speaker 1>the end, there's only one more fact left to share.

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<v Speaker 1>The only person actually named Oscar to win an Oscar Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank God, was Oscar Hammerstein, the second who won for

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<v Speaker 1>his song The Last Time I saw Paris in the nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty one movie Lady Be Good. And now I hear

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<v Speaker 2>the wrap it up music playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was almost as long as the actual ceremony.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to thank my parents and Jordan and

2:50:25.760 --> 2:50:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Katzenberg, especially Michael Caine obviously. Yeah, John Carpenter for

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<v Speaker 2>all you do. Kurt Russell, please die before you say

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<v Speaker 2>anything really bad or right wing in public, because that

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<v Speaker 2>will destroy me. God well, I like to think Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, through him, all things are possible.

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<v Speaker 5>Movie magic, movie magic, way, movie magic. It's just a

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<v Speaker 5>magical night. All right, my ben, I'm My name is

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<v Speaker 5>Alex Heigel.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, My name is My game is mister movies,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who loves going to the movies. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I That's what I do do. I get water now, mommy,

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<v Speaker 2>can I please go to pet And I'm Jordan runtagg

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you at the movies. Go in, Go do

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<v Speaker 2>the movies. Too Much Information was a production of iHeart Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk.

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<v Speaker 1>The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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<v Speaker 2>The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan run

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<v Speaker 2>Talk and Alex Heigel.

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<v Speaker 1>With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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