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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to a very special episode of Too Much Information,

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Speaker 1: the show that brings you the secret histories and little

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Speaker 1: known details behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and

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Speaker 1: so much more. We are your little golden med of Minutia,

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Speaker 1: your tuxedo clad trivia champs of red carpet arcana. You're

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Speaker 1: maestros of movie magic. We don't have wrap it up music,

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Speaker 1: so we're going all night.

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Speaker 2: Baby. My name is Jordan run Talk and I'm Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: I'll play the wrap up music today, folks, We're going

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Speaker 1: to the Oscars. Pause the episode, pick an outfit, get

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Speaker 1: your glam squad together, maybe runt to stretch limo, and

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Speaker 1: drive around and listen as we give you all the

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Speaker 1: details and wild.

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Speaker 2: Stories about Hollywood's biggest night.

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Speaker 1: We are taping this on the Monday after the ninety

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Speaker 1: seventh Annual Academy Award. So the mood is right, the

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Speaker 1: spirit's up, We're here tonight, and damn it, that's enough. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right. I just like a wonderful Christmas time into

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Speaker 1: an episode also doesn't really like ooh higo, how do

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Speaker 1: you feel? We were texting a little during the award

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Speaker 1: show last night.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? You know? I was really off

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Speaker 2: my game this season. I actually did not see too much,

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Speaker 2: yeah saying I really liked I really like the substance.

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Speaker 2: Oh you wouldn't love body horror? Yeah? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that was about it. Oh, I mean I think Dune too,

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Speaker 2: if we're still talking about that, and obviously not Sato,

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Speaker 2: but no, a lot of the big best Actor and

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Speaker 2: best I'm happy Timothy Shall and I didn't win.

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Speaker 1: I know, I kind of well, no, actually that was

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Speaker 1: the one thing I felt he deserved. That whole movie

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Speaker 1: I didn't think was that good. But his performance, though,

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Speaker 1: that was pretty good. But it was like a bad

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Speaker 1: movie or like not a very interesting movie.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get that. What No, why is that everything

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Speaker 2: else been handed on to him? He didn't get an oscar.

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Speaker 2: He's not a good actor. I'm sorry, whoa, whoa, Oh,

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Speaker 2: don't act like this is some bomb like like like mine,

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Speaker 2: like extreamely hot take. He's got great bone structure and

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Speaker 2: good hair, and he's anemic in that way that people

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Speaker 2: find attractive. He's not a good actor. I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 2: don't care. Really, Yeah, we show his range in Dune

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Speaker 2: from like petulant sallow aristocrat to like least compelling savory

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Speaker 2: of the universe. Ever, like, I don't what where's your

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Speaker 2: Timothy shallow may evidence, Like where's this great role that

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Speaker 2: he supposedly got in.

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Speaker 1: Him call me by your name?

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Speaker 2: Who's a kid? When he did that, wasn't he? Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I'll give you Wonka. I'll give you Wonka

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Speaker 2: Gough And he was good as Dylan.

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Speaker 1: He taught himself guitar and these complicated parts he's saying

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Speaker 2: Did you just say those complicated parts? Oh god? Oh no.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you know that, like all the cool

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Speaker 2: Bob Dylan guitar parts were played by other people in

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Speaker 2: that early stuff, Right, yeah, okay, cool? He sund like Bob,

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Speaker 2: So does everybody. Thousands of people have a Bob Dylan impression.

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Speaker 2: That's true, That is very true. Yeah, we were gonna

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Speaker 2: give a We're gonna give the logan director James Mangold

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Speaker 2: a best director for a behind the music episode like

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Speaker 2: a LARPing. I mean, the Cohen brother has already made

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Speaker 2: the best Greenwich Village movie of all time. That is true.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about in front of the Pod door today

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Speaker 1: or no, no different, friend of the Pod, Friend of

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Speaker 1: the Pod Monica. Anyway, Well, Mikey Madison, I call me,

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Speaker 1: by the way. I'm excited to see Anaura. Everyone I've

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Speaker 1: I didn't like it, but you will like it, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I'll take that of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited. Although I heard a lot of people

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Speaker 1: complaining that it was basically like Hustlers but no people

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Speaker 1: heap of Hollywood cinema, Honora was feted big time.

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Speaker 2: No Husters was thrown into that because Jennifer Lopez was

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Speaker 2: going to like force her way into an Oscar. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It was just not a particularly compelling movie

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Speaker 2: Oh you loved Wicked, and I love how much you

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Speaker 2: love Wicked songs for Bangers, and it is good that

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Speaker 2: it won for production design because the production design actually

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Speaker 2: I take umbrage with your description of Oscars as movie magic.

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Speaker 2: Though this is movie peckage and tree. This is a

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Speaker 2: different this is movie philating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. I understand that take.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I do. But in the same way that you know,

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Speaker 1: certain people really get comfort and joy and even a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fun pageantry. I mean, like, I'll watch

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Speaker 1: I just I'm also the guy who defended to the

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Speaker 1: So I I clearly love my.

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Speaker 2: Tradition forgot him. It's a very predictable take that I'm having.

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Speaker 2: Obviously everyone will. Of course you did. There's an a

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Speaker 2: song about you, like, of course you's what you think.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I made it for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for you. Movies, Music, TV and Clare Money France

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Speaker 2: maing the show so fun. A crumby co host is

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Speaker 2: legitimately independent filmmaker. You know, he shot Tangerine I think

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Speaker 1: I like that, and made it for six million with

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Speaker 2: I want to say.

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Speaker 1: It's something insane. And Mikey Madison's like my first celebrity

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for you. I know, I'm really happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you look at his filmography, it is insane. He

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Speaker 2: I was just like, man, was he actively like blackballed

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Speaker 2: for like kissing Halle Berry and doing that like Jamaican

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Speaker 2: And then I watched him speak and I was like,

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Speaker 2: have we have we uh, you know, enacted our roles

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, they actually can't, Like it's all

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Speaker 2: So no art failed, Like great, sorry is this new

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Speaker 1: I didn't think we get here quite so fast. I

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Speaker 1: are both recovering slash retired entertainment journalists. So for a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you, even though you were told not

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Speaker 1: It took a few years, but I think the PTSD

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Speaker 2: Able to watch the Oscars for pleasure again, which is

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Speaker 2: good because they actually mean an awful lot to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this about me, Heigel.

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Speaker 1: This is a very very very special episode for me

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Speaker 1: because in your retrospect, the Oscars are kind of my

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Speaker 1: pop culture origin story, though it didn't really occur to

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Speaker 1: me as such at the time. My mother was obsessed

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Speaker 1: She loved movies and we always had like a steady

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Speaker 2: She'd watched them as a little girl.

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Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, she let me stay

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Speaker 1: As we delve into the ultimate episode of Movie Magic,

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Speaker 1: So that's something I will talk about on the Oscars

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Speaker 1: They had two different Best Picture categories. They had Most

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Speaker 2: Weren't they talking about doing that recently for like all

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Speaker 2: But like they were talking about like best best money Maker. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: God man, James Mangold Oscar nominee James Mangold made that

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Speaker 2: Like huge studio, massive budget films like that. Was interesting

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Speaker 2: This was twenty twenty two. Eighty one percent of them

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Speaker 2: There were fifty one hundred members of the Academy. Ninety

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Speaker 2: It was just run by a bunch of old crackers. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Right oh yes, yes, oh yeah, anyway, I mean taking

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Speaker 1: And the presentation ceremony, hosted by Douglas Fairbanks, who's the

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Speaker 2: Remember the dog. Everyone loved the dog so much. That

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen of what vaxed? Oh wow, oh here this

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Speaker 1: Initially, there were only two performance categories, Best Actor and

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Speaker 1: To combat this, the Academy introduced the Best Supporting Actor

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Speaker 1: and Actresses category. In nineteen thirty six, the seventh Annual

435
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Speaker 1: Academy awards. However, for a time, these winners kind of

436
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: got shafted. Instead of a full blown oscar, they received

437
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Speaker 1: a plaque mounted on a wooden alongside a small raised

438
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: oscar figurine, and supporting players didn't receive the same statuette

439
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Speaker 1: as their starring peers until nineteen forty three. While on

440
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: the topic of unfair oscar fights, the Academy opted to make.

441
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Speaker 2: A juvenile award in the nineteen thirties.

442
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Speaker 1: Apparently after fifty something year old Lionel Barrymore went head

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Speaker 1: to head with nine year old Jackie Cooper, he literally

444
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: fell asleep during the ceremony because it was past this bedtime.

445
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Speaker 2: What made him exempt from the Judy Garland pep pill diet.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know.

447
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Speaker 2: Maybe they have a ceremony. What a grateful little fuck.

448
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's like a ceremony. It's like kind of the

449
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Speaker 1: Hollywood equivalent of a bar mitzvah. It's like, you are

450
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Speaker 1: now old enough to consume these decks. Adream you are

451
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Speaker 1: now a man at twelve I'll say twelve, maybe eleven?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One.

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Speaker 1: Like many men of his era, Lionel Barrymore didn't take

454
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Speaker 1: a great deal of satisfaction in beating a child. In fact,

455
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Speaker 1: he felt like his oscar was somewhat cheap and by

456
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Speaker 1: the lowly competition. So to avoid another awkward incident, the

457
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Speaker 1: Academy instituted the Juvenile Award, which it presented during the

458
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Speaker 1: seventh ceremony Yeah Oh Yeah, which it first presented in

459
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. The first recipient was six year old

460
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Speaker 1: Shirley Temple, quote in grateful recognition of her outstanding contribution

461
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Speaker 1: to screen entertainment during the year nineteen thirty four. Unfortunately,

462
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Speaker 1: the Juvenile Statue didn't solve the bedtime problem, and upon

463
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Speaker 1: receiving the half sized Oscar trophy, a drowsy Temple thanked

464
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Speaker 1: the presenter before asking Mommy, can I go home now?

465
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Speaker 1: I assumed that was scripted and said in a cute way,

466
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Speaker 1: because if it was a genuine request for rest, she

467
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: would have gone hinged.

468
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Speaker 2: She would have gotten pinched so hard in her soft forearm.

469
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Speaker 2: Oh man.

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Speaker 1: A total of twelve Juvenile Awards would be handed out

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Speaker 1: over the next three decades. Recipients included newly minted Enemy

472
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Speaker 1: of the Pod, Nicky Rooney, Judy Garland, and Bobby Driscoll,

473
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Speaker 1: The Doomed Child Star and Disney Kid who acted in

474
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Speaker 1: Treasure Island, Song of the South, and served as the

475
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Speaker 1: model and voice actor for Peter Pan before falling on

476
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Speaker 1: extremely hard times. Do you know the Bobby Driskell story.

477
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Speaker 1: I do, actually, Okay, it's one of the more on

478
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Speaker 1: the nose ones in Hollywood history because of the fact

479
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Speaker 1: that he was the model for Peter Pam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he never grew up. Yeah in a way.

481
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean he died at thirty one, but like emotionally,

482
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Speaker 1: he never really found his way out of child stardom.

483
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Speaker 1: He's kind of the archetypical doomed child star. As a

484
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: late teen, I think he pistol whips some guy for

485
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: making rude comments when he was washing his girlfriend's car. Oh,

486
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Speaker 1: he almost went to jail, got out of it. Then

487
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Speaker 1: he became a heroin addict and went to prison. Upon

488
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Speaker 1: his release, he fell in with the Warhol crowd, which

489
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Speaker 1: is interesting, but struggled to find work, or at least

490
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Speaker 1: work that paid. He'd say, I have found that memories

491
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Speaker 1: are not very useful. I eat on a silver platter

492
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Speaker 1: and then dumped into the garbage.

493
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Speaker 2: His end is.

494
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Speaker 1: One of the saddest stories we've ever discussed on the show.

495
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Speaker 2: Per his Wikipedia page.

496
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Speaker 1: On March thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight, two boys playing in

497
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Speaker 1: a deserted East Village tenement on Tenth Street found Driskell's

498
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: body lying on a cot with two empty beer bottles

499
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Speaker 1: and religious pamphlets scattered on the ground. A post mortem

500
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: examination determined he died from heart failure caused by advanced

501
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: anthrosclerosis his drug use. He had no identification on him,

502
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: and photos shown around the neighborhood yielded no positive id.

503
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: His unclaimed body was buried in an unmarked popper's grave

504
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: in New York City's Potter's Field on Heart Island. Late

505
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, a full year and a half

506
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Speaker 1: after his death, Driscoll's mother sought the help of officials

507
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: at Disney Studios to contact him for a hoped for

508
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: reunion with his father, who was nearing death. This resulted

509
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Speaker 1: in a fingerprint match at New York City Police Department,

510
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: which located his burial on Heart Island. Although his name

511
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: appears on his father's gravestone at Eternal Hills Memorial Park

512
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: in Oceanside, California, Bobby Duscoll's remains still remain in his

513
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Pauper's Grave on Heart Island movie Magice. Yeah, that's that's rough.

514
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: That's a rough one. One of the rougher ones in

515
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Speaker 1: this episode. Back to the Juvenile Oscar Bay, Hey, we're

516
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Speaker 1: going to Pollyanna.

517
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Speaker 2: Now, great, okay, Pollyanna will get us out of us.

518
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: So Juvenile Oscar was last presented in nineteen sixty one

519
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: to Hailey Mills for Pollyanna. In a nice full circle moment.

520
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: Hailey Mills was away at boarding school in England and

521
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: couldn't attend the ceremony, So the last Juvenile Oscar was

522
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: accepted by its first winner, Shirley Temple, who at that

523
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: point was grown up in I think working for the

524
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: un or something, which's like, no, she had like a

525
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: crazy life. She was like an ambassador.

526
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: Oh sure yeah yeah, but just imagining her coming back,

527
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: they're like, do the voice, Yeah, the voice.

528
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Speaker 1: It's like seeing Jerry Matthews who plays Beaver Cleaver now

529
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: it's like his face still looks like the.

530
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Speaker 2: Beaver, even though he's like eighty. It's not it's scary.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

532
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Maybe Bobby just came out ahead the youngest person to

533
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: win a competitive Oscar was Tatum O'Neill, who starred alongside

534
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: her father Ryan O'Neill, noted Batterer in nineteen seventy three's

535
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Paper Moon. Tatum was just ten years old when she

536
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: accepted the Best Supporting Actress Oscar Claude in a tiny tuxedo.

537
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of overachievers, to date, there are only six people

538
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: in Oscar history who've won two Oscars by the age

539
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: of thirty. Betty Davis were Dangerous and Jezebel Luis Rainier

540
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: for The Great Zigfield and The Good Earth, Jody I

541
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Had No Idea, Jody Foster for The Accused and Silence

542
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: of the Lambs, Hilary Swang for Boys Don't Cry a

543
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Million Dollar Baby, and Billie Eilish and Phineas O'Connell.

544
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Speaker 2: I still think. I don't think. I'm sorry. I know

545
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: best This is going to sound like a hot take,

546
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: but I don't know.

547
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: I think best Song is not the same thing. No, Yeah,

548
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: that's like a Grammy adjacent Yeah no, but.

549
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, what is she competing against Meryl Streep?

550
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: Like, No, the best Song seems like a young person's game.

551
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Yes, that was for the theme,

552
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: the Bond theme No Time to Die and what was

553
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I made for?

554
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: From Barbie? That's a beautiful song, Oh it is?

555
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, taking nothing away from their music.

556
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

557
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Well, if you're over the age of thirty and haven't

558
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: won an Oscar and that's you know, kind of a

559
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: thing you want to happen, all is not lost. Anthony

560
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: Hopkins became the oldest performance Oscar winner in twenty twenty

561
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Speaker 1: one at the age of eighty three for his role

562
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Speaker 1: in The Father.

563
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Speaker 2: Yes, what more Academy appropriate move could there be to

564
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: nominate an old guy who was asleep at the time

565
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: that he won, and then making him win over the

566
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Speaker 2: beloved younger black actor who died horribly after completing a

567
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: flurry of projects. He beat Cheswick those Man. Yeah, that

568
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: was the Chadwick here Man oh Man, because he'd done

569
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Speaker 2: I think he was up for mal Rainey's but he's

570
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: also done to Five Bloods and something else and it

571
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: was just like again, just like banging out stuff. And

572
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Speaker 2: then because he had stomach cancer. Whoa.

573
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Speaker 1: The record for the oldest Oscar winner had previously been

574
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Speaker 1: held by Christopher Plummer. A Captain von Trapp, who became

575
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Speaker 1: the oldest Oscar winner in twenty twelve at the age

576
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Speaker 1: of eighty two for the ironically named Beginners. And I

577
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Speaker 1: only mentioned him because he still holds the record for

578
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: the oldest performance nomination when he got the nod in

579
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen for All the Money in.

580
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Speaker 2: The World at the age of eighty eight.

581
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Speaker 1: Impressive.

582
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Speaker 2: Good for him, Yeah, good for him, I say. I

583
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: like Christopher Plummer. Yeah, what's he done? I mean other

584
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: than the movies. I mean, like he's got no controversies,

585
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 2: does he?

586
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

587
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He used to call the sound of music

588
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: the sound of mucus. He hated it. Yeah, well, I

589
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: don't know, don't quit the hit well as the weirdness

590
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: of our best Supporting Actor in juvenile categories probably illustrates.

591
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: The Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts and sciences were still

592
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: finding their footing in the early days and generally making

593
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: up the rules as they went along. This included their

594
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: stands on eligibility. For example, when the jazz singer Blew

595
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: Everyone's mind in nineteen twenty seven for being the first

596
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: mainstream talkie, the Academy judges decided it was ineligible for

597
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Speaker 2: the first ever Outstanding Picture honors since the whole sound

598
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: gimmick gave it an unfair advantage over the competition.

599
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Speaker 1: I get that.

600
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Speaker 2: I respect that decision honestly, No, I don't know. I mean,

601
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: if all the other movies are silent, I fine. To

602
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: make it up to Warner Brothers, the studio that made

603
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: The Jazz Singer, The Academy gave them an Extra Special

604
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: Award for trying the hardest Extra Special Award, the first

605
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Oscars for quote producing The Jazz Singer, the pioneer Outstanding

606
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: Talking Picture, which has revolutionized the industry. It was a

607
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: forerunner of how scared the Academy would be of any

608
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: kind of technology for decades. In nineteen eighty two, Tron

609
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: greenlit by my favorite head of Disney with a head

610
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: injury for college football guy Roger Avery. They disqualified it

611
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: for Best Visual Effects because they decided that the computer

612
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: was cheating. I mean, how do you feel about that? Well,

613
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: if they could only see Yeah, again, I guess I

614
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: get it. Like the idea of the apple, it's like there,

615
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: I get that their basic thing is trying to do

616
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: keep apples from oranges in or or was as they

617
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: were adjusting all this ridiculous stuff like, yeah, I.

618
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: Mean maybe it was the AI argument. Like back then

619
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Speaker 1: it was like, wait a minute, but people make things

620
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: with their hands, not with this like thing.

621
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Speaker 2: I guess I could see that, but I don't know, man,

622
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: it just seems really stupid. But what was I expecting

623
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Speaker 2: considering how they did old Charlie talk about Charlie Chaplin.

624
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: I wonder about the first one to actually win. Here's

625
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: that's a great question. Was what was it one of

626
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 2: the would it have been one of the Star Wars?

627
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: What was the question? First Special Effects Oscar for CGI?

628
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: It would surprise no one that the most awards is

629
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: ILM with fifteen and for them. Okay, so I'm gonna

630
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: go ahead and say the first one that really relied

631
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Speaker 2: heavily on computer stuff would have been the ABYSS in

632
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: eighty nine because prior to that year, prior to had

633
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: been who framed Roger Rabbit And that was basically as

634
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: we've discussed, like compositing and a lot of other sophisticated

635
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: stuff still but even just like rotoscoping and things. So

636
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: the Abyss is probably the one that broke open the CGI. Yeah,

637
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: because then two years later it was Terminator two. Then

638
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: death becomes her then Jurassic Park, then Forrest Gump, so

639
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: those were all a lot of computer heavy ones. Anyway,

640
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: It's so funny. All the podcasts I've been listening to

641
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 2: have been doing all their oscar stuff, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

642
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: nothing more fun than hearing people run down oscar statistics.

643
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: We are, um, so yeah, man, this Charlie Chaplin story

644
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: is wild. It's Charlie Chaplain, dude. They were like, they

645
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: didn't let him compete for which movie was this? Oh?

646
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: I think it was for a movie called The Circus.

647
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Speaker 2: Oh okay. They wrote him a letter and gave him

648
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: a special gave him a special award.

649
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: They gave two special wards, one to the jazz singer,

650
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: one of Charlie Chaplin at the first Oscars.

651
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the judges have unanimously decided that your name should

652
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: be removed from the competitive classes and that a special

653
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: first Award be conferred upon you for writing, acting, and

654
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: directing the film The Circus. The collective accomplishments thus displayed

655
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: placed you in a class by yourself.

656
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 1: That's a nice thing to say, but is it.

657
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: Because they were worried that he would sweep a writing

658
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting? Huh? The bulk of Charlie's work that everyone's

659
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: familiar with and made him a star is in this

660
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: silent era, so you know, a well for him pre Oscar. Yeah.

661
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: Though he was awarded an honorary troph for the first ceremony,

662
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: Chaplain only earned a single competitive Oscar in his lifetime,

663
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: and it took us solid two decades to even see

664
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: the light of day technically. In October nineteen fifty two,

665
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Chaplain sailed to his native London to promote Limelight, was

666
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: a film he'd again written, directed, scored, and starred in.

667
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: On his return to the United States, he denied a

668
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: re entry visa on orders of the Justice Department, which

669
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: was investigating his alleged communist times. The rumors would prove

670
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: to be totally unfounded shocker, but the US Attorney General

671
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: labeled him quote an unsavory character. Limelight was picketed by

672
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: veterans groups like the American Legion, and the film was

673
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: pulled from theaters soon after your premiere. Further openings across

674
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: the country were canceled since the Academy required films to

675
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: have a public screening in Los Angeles in order to

676
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: be eligible for an Oscar. Limelight was excluded from competition,

677
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: and Chaplain said this was hurt him so much that

678
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: he would never come to the United States again. For

679
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: twenty years, Chaplain stag Truder's word living in Switzerland, and

680
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: then in nineteen seventy two the Academy was like, eh,

681
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: we'll throw you one. Gave him a second honorary Oscar

682
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: for quote, the incalculable effect he has always had in

683
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: making motion pictures the art form of this century. I

684
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: mean they hadn't heard Steely Dan yet, so that's fine.

685
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: Chaplin actually opted to return to Hollywood and received the

686
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: honored person and it was a triumphant homecoming. He received

687
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: a twelve minute standing ovation for just getting on stage.

688
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: It's an Oscar's record. Yeah. Accepting his award, he said,

689
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: words seem so futile, so feeble. I can only say

690
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: thank you for the honor of inviting me here. Like

691
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: the short ones man, they're just class here, you know.

692
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: Joe Peshi, you know, kept it classy with his It

693
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: gets better though. Yes. Limelight was actually given it a

694
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: wide American release that December, and months later the film,

695
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: which was by then twenty years old, earned Chaplin his

696
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: only Oscar in the competitive category for Best Original Dramatic Score,

697
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: and his co writers Raymond Rash and Larry Russell, had

698
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: died decades earlier and were given Foster and the Awards. Wow,

699
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: Bobby mad that's movie magic, American xenophobia, gliding into the

700
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: nostalgia industrial complex and the motion pictured the industry desired

701
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: to filate itself. I mean, it's just all Rich Milange. So,

702
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: as we mentioned earlier, the winners at the first ever

703
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: Oscars were known in advance. However, for the second ceremony

704
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty, the Academy decided to withhold the names

705
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: of the winners until being announced on stage, in an

706
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: effort to create some drama and suspense. This being showbiz real,

707
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: these are all real Broadway Danny Rose kind of guy.

708
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's just razzle, dazzle, fossy posse, Foster mondays. However,

709
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: the Academy consented to handing out the list of winners

710
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: to the newspapers on the condition that they agreed to

711
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: a strict embargo. Nothing would be published until eleven PM

712
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: on the night of the Oscars ceremony. This worked for

713
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: a decade, which is like remarkably the better Angels of

714
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: humanity winning out there. Then in nineteen forty, the La

715
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: Times jumped the gun and printed the winners in the

716
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: evening edition of the paper, and therefore everyone going to

717
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: the awards, including Clark Gable and Vivian Lay because this

718
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: was gone with the wind sweep year, knew that that

719
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: was going to happen before they arrived. God, what were

720
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: those vibes, Francis, Yeah, oh my god, because all the

721
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: races would have been already riled up for Haddie McDaniel. Yep,

722
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, bad, bad vibes. And it was

723
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: hell at the place where our k was.

724
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: Assassinated a couple decades later. Terrible fives and pass through down?

725
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we go there?

726
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Tore it down?

727
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Trust me, I'm very bummed about it. Yeah, I know.

728
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: So the next year the Academy instituted the top secret

729
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: system that involved sealed envelopes, and by this point the

730
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: oscars had already employed Price Waterhouse in their pre Cooper

731
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: days when they were Price Waterhouse overdrive to help handle

732
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: the vote, to help handle the vote counting so that

733
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: no one could accuse the Academy reading the outcome. And

734
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: this was largely due to an uproar over Betty Davis

735
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: not waiting for her performance in nineteen thirty fives of

736
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: Human Bondage. Still they get a.

737
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: Third party in there to be like, no, we're not

738
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: raking this because we don't hate Betty Davis.

739
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Betty Davis had shooters out there. Yeah she did,

740
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: still does. Yeah.

741
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

742
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 2: What if we did like the gayest most completely out

743
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: of left field thing and just did whatever happened to

744
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: Baby Jane for absolutely zero reason that came up in

745
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: something recently. I think it was a visit of oz One.

746
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: It always comes up naturally, and so Price, Waterhouse, Cooper,

747
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: and Young were given the task of tallying the Academy

748
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: votes and keeping the outcome a secret until showtime. This

749
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: generally worked pretty well until twenty seventeen, when PDBC accountant

750
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: Brian cullinan a good Irish boy, was too busy tweeting

751
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: a picture of Emma Stone, who won Best Actress that night,

752
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: to focus on his lone job of handing the correct

753
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: envelope to Best Picture presenters Faye Dunaway and Warren Batty Man.

754
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: You had one job except yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

755
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: Wolf.

756
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: This led to the infamous moment where La La Land

757
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: was announced his best picture rather than Moonlight. A source

758
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: told people that cullin in was asked not to tweet

759
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: during the oscarson and that tending to the envelopes quote

760
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: was to be his only focus. That tweet has since

761
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: been deleted and and Coulinon is no longer working at

762
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: Price Waterhouse Coopers and Fire. How many more of those

763
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: are there? Yeah, the category at fire friend of Fire.

764
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: There was yet another cringe worthy Oscars mix up at

765
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen ceremony that understandably got overshadowed by envelope gate.

766
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: This one involved another sensitive aspect of the show, the

767
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: in memoriam segment. Shamefully, this year they gave they did

768
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: they should have done a whole thing for David.

769
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Lynch Man that that made me w yeah, yeah, it

770
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: probably would have been him if it wasn't for the

771
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: gene actmen.

772
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, you absolutely know that if

773
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: anything had been planned, they were like, hmmm acts, the

774
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: lynch pull out, the pull out, the gene. They had

775
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: a premontage for him like who is his friend? Morgan?

776
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: I told you my dream piece that I've always wanted

777
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: to do, but I know if I did it, I

778
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 1: would never work again. Is like a New Yorker thing

779
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: and the title is this is what Happens when you die.

780
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: And it's just like a five thousand word like deep

781
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: dive expose and like what it's like in newsrooms when

782
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: like a major celebrity dies, and just all the gross,

783
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: weird calls that have to be made and decisions and yeah,

784
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. I mean, I hate that stuff,

785
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: but I love that stuff.

786
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: That's why we're not doing it anymore. Ye, but talk

787
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: more about why. Oh for this one. The memorium segment

788
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: at twenty seventeen was so bad. Well, firstly, fans of

789
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: comedian Gary Shandling were miffed that the Academy left him

790
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: out completely. But then an Australian film producer named jan

791
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: Chapman at a bizarre moment, as Sarah Burrella is saying

792
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: a somber rendition of Joni Mitchell's both Sides Now, Chapman

793
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: was horrified to see her own face flash across the

794
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: stream during the montage. The ceremonies organizer had mistakenly paired

795
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: her image with the name of costume designer Janet Patterson,

796
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: who had died the previous October. Chapman, who had actually

797
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: worked with Patterson on the Last Days of Shenu in

798
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two. In nineteen ninety Three's the Piano, told

799
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: Variety that she was devastated by the mistake in the telecast.

800
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: I am alive and well and an active producer, she said.

801
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: My daily affirmation.

802
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be that offended. Jesus tell it back, lady producers.

803
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: The Moonlight La Llaland fiasco wasn't the only time a

804
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: percenter has read the wrong name at the Oscars. During

805
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: the thirty sixth Annual Academy Awards in nineteen sixty four,

806
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: Sammy Davis Junior was tasked with presenting the winner for

807
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: Best Scoring of Music. Why was it called that?

808
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: No, I forget they had a lot of weird music

809
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: technicality things for a while.

810
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: He was given an envelope with the winner listed as

811
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: John Addison for the film Tom Jones, which is different.

812
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm just hearing now from this Welsh singer Tom Jones.

813
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: Different.

814
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Yes, with Albert Finney. He's a real rascal, that's all

815
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: I remember. I'm to understand that this is not a

816
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: biographic biotic The Welsh shak the well sing singer Tom Jones,

817
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: the man not about the man who has Pantsy's thrown

818
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: at him repeatedly. Yes, No, he's got a big voice,

819
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: big big, and he dances. I love his dancing.

820
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: There's a really good version of burning down the House

821
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: with the woman from the Cardigans of Love Full Fame.

822
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: Oh you've sent me that? Yeah, it's great. Did Tom

823
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Jones everyone in Oscar the good one? Not a good one?

824
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Or no, I mean Tom Jones. Did Tom Jones parentheses

825
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: the good one ever? Winning on? I don't think so,

826
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: but this one did.

827
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

828
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: Well, here, get back to the story. We'll come back

829
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: to this. People realize fairly quickly that there was an issue,

830
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: considering the fact that Tom Jones again the movie wasn't

831
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: even nominated for the category. Davis explained the mix up

832
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: on stage and made a bit out of it, donning

833
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: reading glasses when he was handed the correct envelope. The

834
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: category with John Addison was up next, and after reading

835
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: through the nominees, Sammy Davis like a pro joked guess

836
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: who the winner is? That's pretty good. Yeah. Both of

837
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: those incidents, Moonlight and Tom Jones again. I cannot stress

838
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: this enough the movie and not the singer. We're due

839
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: to incorrect envelopes. But an error during the nineteen thirty

840
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 2: four Oscars was even sillier, with even more horrifying consequences.

841
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: Oh this is bad.

842
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Don't even don't even joke about this is this is

843
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: sad right here? That this what makes me sad? Well,

844
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: this is cringe. Yeah, okay, yeah is what this is?

845
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is really bad. There were only three

846
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: nominees that year for Best Director. Two of them were

847
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: named Frank, Frank Lloyd and Frank Capra. And you see

848
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: it was gone. Yeah. Oscars host Will Rogers of hanging

849
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 2: around with a horse fame and quotes. Yeah, and being

850
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: way more important to like the generation that wrote all

851
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: the pop culture books that I read growing up than

852
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: he ever was to me or anyone else that is correct.

853
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: Why did I have to know so much about Will

854
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: Rogers growing up?

855
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: Because he was?

856
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: But his words failed him This night she delivered that

857
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: like a papal edict. His words failed him.

858
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: That night.

859
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: He cast his pros before swine, so Will Rogers, famous

860
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: horse officionado. Will Rogers announced the winner by saying, come

861
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: on up and get it. Frank and Frank Capra, that

862
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: huge softy known for directing some of the most saccharine

863
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: movies in the history of the medium, made it almost

864
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: all the way up to the stage before he realized

865
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: that the spotlight was on Frank Lloyd, who was approaching

866
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: the podium from the other side of the room.

867
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: Oh that's bad, but but Will Rogers. He tried to

868
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: save it, and I appreciate what he did here.

869
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: Yes, he tried to call up the third nominee, George Kukor,

870
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: to join the two Francs on stage. In his autobiography,

871
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: Capra elaborated on the incident with the sentiment that you

872
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: would expect it'd be creative. He was just like, I

873
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: promise to address it, and he was like, I'm over it.

874
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: I went to therapy. He called it the longest, saddest,

875
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: most shattering walk in my life, saying I wish I

876
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: could have crawled under the rug like a miserable worm.

877
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: Worms out here catching strays from Frank Capra, prick an

878
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: indispensable part of the ecosystem. What have you done? Certainly

879
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: win an Oscar in nineteen thirty four, I get I

880
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: know he won the next year. All right, I'm doing

881
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: a bit Jesus Christ, won't you let me work? Run tug?

882
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: I know how Anna Hawthaway felt m when I slumped

883
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: in my chair, I felt like one the worm, not

884
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: Ann Hathaway or Bolsh singer Tom Jones.

885
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: All of my friends at the table were crying, he said,

886
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: because I wasn't Tom Jones. Yeah, and then his pants

887
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: fell down in a trombone music Frank Capra Uh Capper

888
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: got his revenge the next year when he picked up

889
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: the best arrest oscar for it happened one night and

890
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: beat Will Rogers to death with it.

891
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: Back to Will Rogers of the horse fame. Uh do

892
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: you think he ever called the horse a racial slur

893
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: for fun? Oh?

894
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Most definitely, yeah, like assuredly right, yeah, yeah.

895
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: The horse's name was Trigger.

896
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: That was Roy Rogers. Different, different.

897
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 2: What it was in my head. Will Rogers also like tauruses,

898
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: didn't they I'm thinking Roy Rogers, not Will Rogers. Will Rogers, Oh.

899
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, Will Rogers.

900
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: He was like a a folks see was he a

901
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: singing cowboy?

902
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was singing, but he was

903
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: like a Midwestern like humorist. But he had like like

904
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: a western tinge to him. Okay, he was born a

905
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

906
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know that. No. Oh, he was a

907
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: vaudeville guy.

908
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him because he's like,

909
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, I never met a man I didn't like like,

910
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: he was always very like quotable.

911
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah man. Oh he began his

912
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: show business career as a trick roper. That's cool. In

913
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: Check's notes, South Africa, that's maybe not cool. He went

914
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: to South Africa via Argentina. Will Rogers fascinating life. Yeah,

915
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: hous just burned down the pulsates fire. He's long dead though,

916
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: so it's okay, So all this time, he's not the

917
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: cowboy guy. He's a cowboy guv Is that the cowboy guy?

918
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: It was definitely Roy Rogers, who I was thinking, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

919
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: do you know what his horse's name was? Getting back

920
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: to this whole event, Soap SuDS?

921
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Like that sounds familiar.

922
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a statue of Rogers riding his horse Soap SuDS,

923
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 2: on the campus of Texas Tech.

924
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: How about that? How about that?

925
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's make this episode you just get

926
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: even louder or longer. I should say, but back to

927
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: will not Roy or Tom Jones. Uh, guy did it

928
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: again in the same ceremony.

929
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, he's not a good These are some

930
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: rookie present to Garis.

931
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: They should have gotten Roy Rogers. When he came down

932
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: to award Best Actress trophy, he summoned two of the

933
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: three nominees, Diana Wynard and May robson to the stage.

934
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: Both women assumed that there had been a tie and

935
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: were very excited. Ben Rodgers thanked them for their great

936
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: performances before announcing the real winner was Catherine Hepburn then seated,

937
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: that feels like I'm so I'm that's that's mean girl being.

938
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: On stage when you learn you have lost it's incredible.

939
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: He's like the doctor from Arrested Development.

940
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, yeah, we couldn't save him. No, And

941
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: this was not even the most mortifying gaff in Oscar's history.

942
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: Back in the thirties, an impostor actually went up on

943
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: stage and just simply walked off with an Oscar. That's great,

944
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: and you gotta admire the direct approach. It went down

945
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty eight when a woman named Alice Brady

946
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: was nominated for Best supporting actress for her role in

947
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: the film in Old Chicago. When the big night arrived,

948
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: she was too ill to attend. When her name was called.

949
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: After she won, an unknown man went up on the

950
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: stage and collected it. Oscar officials assumed he was accepting

951
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: on Brady's behalf, but he was not. The man made

952
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: off with the plaque is supporting actors weren't given a statue,

953
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: as they should never be. The man made off of

954
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: the plat and it's gone forever. He ate it. We

955
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: had it melted down to this day. No one knows

956
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: who the man was or the big whereabouts of the

957
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: black But you you've said, you've found some people who

958
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 2: think it's a myth.

959
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but or at least not misunderstanding. But I choose

960
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: to believe.

961
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, print the legend as you said, Yes, yes.

962
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: And speaking of Oscars theft, we have to talk about

963
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: the great Oscars heist of y two k in the.

964
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: Year two thousand.

965
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: In the year two thousand, a crate containing fifty five

966
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Oscar statuettes was stolen from a loading dock in bell California,

967
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: four days before the ceremony. Four days were the Oscars.

968
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: The statuettes go missing. Reportedly, the factory responsible for producing

969
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: the oscars worked around the clock to craft another batch

970
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: in time. Eventually, fifty two of the missing oscars were

971
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: recovered a couple days later near a dumpster behind a

972
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: grocery store in LA's Korea Town. A man named Willie

973
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: Foolgear was back there rummaging, reportedly some boxes to use

974
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: in an upcoming move, when he then stumbled on the

975
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: glittering statuettes. Thank god he was looking for boxes and

976
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: not rummaging around a dumpster behind a supermarket for the

977
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: more obvious reason, because finding a crate of oscars that

978
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: would have just been way too on the nose for

979
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: like commentary on Hollywood Today, it would be, Yeah, so

980
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: you said that guy kept three for like him, his

981
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: wife and his kid something like that.

982
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they lost fifty five, only fifty two were recovered.

983
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: I would I would assume I don't know where the

984
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: other three went.

985
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that's my guess.

986
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

987
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Full Gear told reporters, I've got more oscars than any

988
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: of the movie stars. He was awarded fifty thousand dollars

989
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: good for him, and also two tickets to the ceremony.

990
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Investigators believed that the culprits took the oscars by mistake,

991
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: unaware of the crate's contents. But as we mentioned, several

992
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: of these oscars have never been recovered to this day,

993
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: so clearly somebody kept a souvenir ever since the incident.

994
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: The Academy Mandate said Oscar shipments are sent by plane

995
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: at not a loading dock, and accompanied by armed guards. Well,

996
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: since the initial awards banquet in May nineteen twenty nine

997
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, more than thirty one hundred

998
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: statuettes have been presented.

999
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: Is there a do you think that the security I'm

1000
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 2: guessing the security services like these might be armored truck guys.

1001
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: But do you think if you're like the Oscar security guy,

1002
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: like everyone else makes fun of you, like are you

1003
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: higher or lower than like a CBS security guy.

1004
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, because there's a way it's almost

1005
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: like the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier,

1006
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: where it's like a ceremonial thing where you get it

1007
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: after you get a cush job, after having like seen

1008
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: some stuff.

1009
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of that's my say. It's kind of

1010
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: a kind of kind of golden sunset. That's my that's

1011
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: my theory.

1012
00:54:54,200 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Okay, but Zulander voice, Where did the Oscar statue come from?

1013
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: In addition to Uncle Louis b the B stands for

1014
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: Bastard Mayor. Another of the Academy's thirty six founders was

1015
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: MGM's supervising art director, Cedric Gibbons, called this is true

1016
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: Gibbee to his friends. He's worked at MGM since its

1017
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: founding in nineteen twenty four and remained there until nineteen

1018
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: fifty six, becoming something of a legend in the process.

1019
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: During his tenure, he designed or at least oversaw countless

1020
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: MGM sets, from the Lobby of nineteen thirty two's Grand

1021
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: Hotel to the Emerald City of nineteen thirty nine is

1022
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz to the fantastical settings of Buzzby

1023
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: Berkeley's Kaleidoscope in nineteen thirties musicals. As former Academy executive

1024
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: director Bruce Davis notes in his excellent twenty twenty two

1025
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: history The Academy and the Award, it was Cedric Gibbons

1026
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: who was tasked with creating an insignia for the Academy

1027
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: just two weeks after its founding, he eventually crafted the

1028
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: design we know and love and.

1029
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: Lust over sort of well you know what I mean,

1030
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: Like he cove it. Cove it was the word I

1031
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: should use, that covet.

1032
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: It's a night with the Crusader's sword standing on a

1033
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: reel of film, and the reel, you'll notice, contains five spokes,

1034
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: signifying the five original branches of the Academy actors, directors, producers,

1035
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: technicians and writers.

1036
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: Gibbons then hired for.

1037
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: Just five hundred dollars a twenty six year old Los

1038
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Angeles sculptor named George Stanley to realize his design in

1039
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: three D. The statue was completed in nineteen twenty eight,

1040
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: and these copies were cast in bronze plated in gold,

1041
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: and a dozen were presented at the first Academy Awards

1042
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: ceremony in May nineteen twenty nine. Sadly, Gibbons couldn't make

1043
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: it to the actual ceremony, however, And this is really

1044
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: interesting here, this, I genuinely think will interest you. A

1045
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: fascinating twenty twenty four piece in The Hollywood Reporter by

1046
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: Scott Feinberg makes the connection between the Oscar design and

1047
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: its resemblance to various statues.

1048
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: Of the Egyptian god top Ptah.

1049
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: I imagine the p is silent.

1050
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 2: It's the title of a house, culture and album. How

1051
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: does she say the I don't know how she said had.

1052
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 2: As Sweinberg notes in his piece, Ta is the god

1053
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: of arts, crafts, and trade and has been depicted often

1054
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: in gold for thousands of years, is a sleek figure

1055
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: standing erect with a staff in front right hand over left.

1056
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: Now this is.

1057
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: All rampant speculation, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.

1058
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: The nineteen twenties were a time when egypt fever was

1059
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: gripping the nation because the discovery of King touch Tomb

1060
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty two, one of the few intact pharaoh's

1061
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: tombs that hadn't been raided by grave robbers. It was Mummuary,

1062
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: Mummuary all year. It was a decade. Yeah, hell yeah.

1063
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: The media attention sparked by the discovery led to worldwide

1064
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: interest in Egyptology, which influenced all areas of art, fashion,

1065
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: and design. In fact, the style that we now call

1066
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: Art Deco, which is probably the most dominant design trend

1067
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: of the twenties and thirties, with notable examples being Rockefeller

1068
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: Center and Radio City Music Hall and the Chrysler building

1069
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: in the Empire State Building was derived from Egyptian art.

1070
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: The Art Deco tag actually didn't come until decades later.

1071
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Back in the twenties and thirties. It was called the

1072
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Nile style because people recognize that it was derived from

1073
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: Egyptian art.

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00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: I guess that's better. I guess it's sillier, but I

1075
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: guess that's better.

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00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it acknowledges where it came from, and the Hollywood

1077
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: Reporter piece Scott Feinberg theorizes, although he admits that the

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00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Academy has never commented on this, that perhaps the design

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00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: for the Oscar was inspired by Egyptian antiquity. But it

1080
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: gets potentially crazier. It's more than just the design. It

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00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: could even potentially be the Academy awards more famous nickname.

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00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: Quoting from Feinberg's piece, But what does any of this

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00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: have to do with the name Oscar. Over the centuries,

1084
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: depictions of tah were merged with depictions of two other

1085
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: ancient deities, Osirius, a god of resurrection, and Socar, the

1086
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: god of the afterlife, resulting in a feuterary god known

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: as Ta Socar Osiris Socar alone reads awfully similar to Oscar,

1088
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: as does a merger of the names Osiris and Socar. Again,

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00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: this is purely speculation, but Gibbons or anyone else who

1090
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: recognized the resemblance between Tad and the Academy Award statuette

1091
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: might thereby have arrived.

1092
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: At such a nickname.

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00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting theory about how they Oscar got

1094
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: its name, and honestly, it's better than the actual.

1095
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: Stories that have made the rounds for decades.

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00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: The most prevalent theory is that Academy librarian and eventual

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00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: executive director Margaret Herrick remarked that the statuette resembled her

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: uncle Oscar. I personally think that is an insane thing

1099
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: to say, because the statuette has no discernible features whatsoever

1100
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: other than that he is naked and vaguely buff, which

1101
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: honestly raises all sorts of troubling questions about Margaret Herrick's

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00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: relationship with her uncle ah plus or bloss. The other,

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: even less believable story is also vaguely sexual. Betty Davis

1104
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: claims she named the Academy Award the Oscar in nineteen

1105
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: thirty six because the statuette's rear end reminded her of

1106
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: her then husband Oscar Nelson.

1107
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: Ah, what a pip she was.

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01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: In reality, the term oscars had been in use for

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: years before Davis's claim, and she walked it back. I'm

1110
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: guessing that it was a humble brag about her husband.

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: The Hollywood journalist Sidney Skolski has made the most verifiable

1112
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: claim for coining the term, since he's believed to be

1113
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: the first person to use the term Oscar in the press.

1114
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: He started calling the Academy Award an oscar in his

1115
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: column cover in Katherine Hepburn's first Best Actress win in

1116
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. He said he was tired of writing

1117
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: the phrase gold Statuette and thought he would refer to

1118
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: an old vaudeville joke that made use of the name Oscar.

1119
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: He elaborated on this in his nineteen seventy five memoir

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01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: Don't get Me Wrong, I Love Hollywood. It was my

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: first Academy Awards night when I gave the Golden Statuett

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: a name. I wasn't trying to make it legiti. The

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: snobbery of that particular Academy Awards annoyed me. I wanted

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01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: to make the gold statuette human. It was twelve thirty

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01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: when I finally arrived at the Western Union office on

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01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: will Cox to write and file my story. I listened

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: to Academy Industry and acceptance talks in seven point thirty.

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: You know how people can rub you the wrong way.

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01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: I'd show them acting so high and mighty about their prize.

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: I'd give it a name, a name that would erase

1131
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: their phony dignity.

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01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: I needed the magic name fast fast. I remember the

1133
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: vaudeville shows. I'd seen the comedians having fun with The

1134
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: orchestra leader in the pit would say, will you have

1135
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: a cigar?

1136
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: Oscar?

1137
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: The orchestra leader would reach for it, and the comedians

1138
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: would back away, making a comical remark. The audience laughed

1139
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: at Oscar. I started hitting the keys. In a few years,

1140
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: Oscar was the accepted name. It proved to be the

1141
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: magic name. The writing of that was weird, and I'll

1142
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: probably have to edit that. The Academy Awards officially adopted

1143
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: the nickname Oscar in nineteen thirty nine, and a piece

1144
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: in Time magazine that same year credit skull is the originator,

1145
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: which I think is a strong piece of circumstantial evidence.

1146
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: But then there was also a story that Walt Disney

1147
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: referred to his little oscar during his acceptance speech in

1148
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four, which was supposedly before Skolsky coined the term.

1149
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't know all in all, no one really knows

1150
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: where the term oscar came from.

1151
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm chalking it up to movie magic. That's disappointing. Yeah,

1152
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: I know. I'd hope that there would be a point

1153
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: to this.

1154
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: I know, I realized that it was like one of

1155
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: those jokes doesn't have a punchline. Yeah, there's a lot

1156
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: of theories. I like the Egyptian theory.

1157
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's at least nerdy. It's like, yeah,

1158
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: I love that. I just heard that guy was just

1159
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: a big into egypt Mania that had been gripping egypt fever.

1160
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: Yes, that sounds more racist, Yeah does Yeah, especially when

1161
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: that's what killed one of the guys who financed the

1162
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: King Tut's Tomb expedition, Lord Carnarvin. Yeah he was there,

1163
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: he flew out there to Egypt, and then he is

1164
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: it guay was different.

1165
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: No, got you got like a mosquito bite or something

1166
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: and then like cut it shaving and it got infected

1167
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was like some weird death, and that

1168
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: was what led to the theory that there was a

1169
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: curse on King Tut's doom to any who disturbed it. Cool,

1170
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: all right, as you meditate on that, it'll be right

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01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: back with more. Too much information after these messages.

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: Well, from ancient Egyptian curses to measurements, that's the tm

1173
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: I promise. The Oscar statuette is thirteen point five inches

1174
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: tall with a five and a quarter inch base. It

1175
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: weighs off eight point eight point five pounds, or about

1176
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: the same as a gallon of milk. Each award statue

1177
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: costs approximately five hundred dollars to produce manufacture from a

1178
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: Britannia metal plated in copper nickel, silver and twenty four

1179
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: carret gold. The manufacturing process starts a year in advance

1180
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: to ensure nothing goes wrong, and from start to finish

1181
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: it takes roughly ten days to make one statuette. Several

1182
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: manufacturers have had the honor of making the Oscars over

1183
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: the years, but these days they're made about an hour

1184
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: and a half outside of New York City at Pollock Talics,

1185
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: a fine arts foundry. Then it's sent off to a

1186
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: partner in Brooklyn, not far from where I live up

1187
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: in green Point called Epner technology that handles the gold plating. Interestingly,

1188
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: the oscars were made out of plaster for three years

1189
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: during World War Two. During WW two the big one

1190
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: due to metal shortges.

1191
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: Did they make they didn't make it up? Did they

1192
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: send them real ones? Then? Well yeah, so okay.

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01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: So for three different Oscar ceremonies between nineteen forty three

1194
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, award winners were handed painted plaster and

1195
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: then when the war was over all the recipients of

1196
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: plaster awards are invited to exchange them for real ones.

1197
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: And these plaster ones have gone up for auction occasionally,

1198
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: and there's pictures of like a sticker on the bottom

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01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: of the base that says temporary trophy, Please handle carefully.

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01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: This plaster replica of the awards.

1201
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: Trophy will be replaced by the golden bronze trophies as

1202
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: soon as medals are available. You will receive an official

1203
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: letter from the Academy immediately after March fifteenth, which will

1204
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: constitute an order for your metal trophy. The Academy regrets

1205
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: the wartime restrictions made that make the substitution necessary.

1206
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1207
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 1: I would kind of want to keep both. I would

1208
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: want like my real one, but then I would want

1209
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: the weird plaster one.

1210
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: It was that convincing.

1211
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hang on one went up at auction a

1212
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: few years ago. I mean I almost can't tell the difference.

1213
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: It's like a little less shiny. Oh it's not terrible.

1214
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was expecting some kind of like click paper mache,

1215
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 4: some kind of horrible, you know, vaguely sinister child's art project.

1216
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to keep it.

1217
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: As like a memory of that weird time. I would

1218
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: like to keep it, said Betty Davis. Well, how about that?

1219
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: And speaking of last minute changes to their oscars, it's

1220
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: worth noting that as people have watched the ceremony and

1221
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: probably observed, but the statuettes are handed out without their

1222
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: engraved name plaque on the oscar's base. Obviously, that would

1223
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: make it hard to keep the results a secret. In

1224
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: recent years, the stars have made a big show of

1225
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: going to the so called Oscar's bar at the Governor's

1226
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: Ball upstairs from the theater where the ceremony is taking place.

1227
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: The oscar crew wouldn't have time doing drave each oscar

1228
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: on the spot so they have all potential winners' names

1229
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: engraved and waiting.

1230
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: I want loser name plaques. That would be a cool

1231
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: thing to collect. Do you think they're out there? Oh,

1232
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: I've never seen them, but that'd be cool.

1233
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: I love like alternate universe history stuff like I have

1234
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: a ticket to the event that JFK was traveling to

1235
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: when he was assassinated and then never made it to him.

1236
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: Like, I love stuff like that.

1237
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: There's a poster for the Titanic's return voyage to England

1238
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: that it never made. I just things like that. I

1239
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: just find really like eerie and poignant. Yeah. I can

1240
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: see that the basis of each statuette are pre drilled

1241
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: with holes, so it's simply a matter of screwing on

1242
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: the plaque and sending the stars on their way. But

1243
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: The Guardian did a really cute article on this in

1244
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen called Secrets of an Oscar Engraver. In the piece,

1245
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: a man named Alex Yurst is quoted as.

1246
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: Saying, we make a bit of a show of it.

1247
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: The statues are pre drilled ready for the plaques to

1248
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: be fitted, so all we do is show the winner

1249
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: of the plaque, check the details. All right, attach it,

1250
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: give it a polish, and hand it back.

1251
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: The whole thing takes about five minutes, although they cost

1252
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: between four and five hundred dollars to make, depending on

1253
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: options like what can you add a mustache on rate

1254
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: of gold?

1255
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: Gold prices?

1256
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, short, it's market price. All right? Sorry I

1257
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: made fun of you. Sorry, ty, I tried a bit. Sorry.

1258
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get some braro on it if you want.

1259
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: Although they cost approximately four to five hundred dollars to make,

1260
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: the gold plated statuette is technically only worth one dollar.

1261
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: Since venteen fifty one, Oscar winners have been required to

1262
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: sign an agreement stating that they cannot sell the award

1263
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: without first offering to sell it back to the academy

1264
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: for one dollar. Those who refuse are not allowed to

1265
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: keep their trophy. This rule also extends to the winners'

1266
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: families and estate once they die. For the academy, the

1267
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: rule preventing winners from profiting off the sale of their

1268
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: award is intended to quote preserve the integrity of the

1269
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: Oscar symbol. According to The New York Times, this rule

1270
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: was adopted after the errors of Sid Grammont, owner of

1271
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: the famous Chinese theater on Hollywood Boulevard placed advertisements offering

1272
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: to sell an honorary oscar that Gramman had been awarded.

1273
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: We're selling Granddad's oscar. Any takers, god Man, Yeah, that's

1274
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: pretty great. The Horrified Motion Picture Academy brought it back

1275
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: and implemented the no sales stipulation a short time later.

1276
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: The oscar itself contains a minder of this contractual fine

1277
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 2: print with a small band around the base that's engraved

1278
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: with the phrase the statuette may not be sold or

1279
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: transferred other than bequest without first being offered to the Academy.

1280
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 2: That's nuts that there's like an engraved gold band around

1281
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: the base that has that fine break. It kind of

1282
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: cheapens it. I don't think they can tell me to

1283
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: do that. That strikes me as unconstitutional. Eh, their house,

1284
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: their rules, it's not it is the Academy awards. But

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: like if you just didn't ever think you were going

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: to win another award, what would they do like sue you? Oh,

1287
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: I see what you mean, Like you sign it and

1288
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: then do whatever you want with it.

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: Are they gonna do to me? Send Like Steven Spielberg

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: around to film a coming of age boyhood wonder uh

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: movie about the fu sims of children and dinosaurs, and

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01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: yet somehow the brutal reality of becoming an adult. Is

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: that what he's gonna do? He said, Oh, Marty over

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: to be Catholic. Marty would mess you Upah, he's a

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: sweet guy. He would guilt, he Marty. I Marty probably

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: uses guilt like a cham he's Italian Catholic. Yeah, he

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 2: would just make me feel really bad. This permission doesn't

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01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: apply to oscars given out prior to nineteen fifty one because.

1300
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: The rule was made in nineteen fifty one, so they

1301
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: couldn't told his grandfather. Yeah, everyone else was grandfathered in.

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: Do whatever they wanted with their oscars, as we will,

1303
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: as we will. Just well, no, there's a really sad

1304
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: story coming up. What if someone won a bunch and

1305
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: sold them for a lot of money? Would that be

1306
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: a happy story? Generally, you don't want to part with

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01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: your oscar unless you're in a really bad spot.

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you're right. Has it been murdered with

1309
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: an oscar?

1310
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: I think frank Kaepra killed Bill Rogers. I told you

1311
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: he bludged him to death. The next year when he

1312
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: I told you I'd be back.

1313
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg paid upwards of half a million dollars each

1314
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: for two wards formerly belonging to silver screen icons Clark

1315
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: Gable and Betty Davis. The director, who has three oscars

1316
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 2: of his own, donated his purchase as to the Academy.

1317
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 2: The Oscar statuette is the most personal recognition of good

1318
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: work our industry can ever bestow, He's told Variety, and

1319
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: it strikes me as a sad sign of our times.

1320
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 2: This icon could be confused with commercial treasure. Michael Jackson

1321
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: meanwhile treated it as just that. Yes, shelling out one

1322
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: point five four million dollars in nineteen ninety nine to

1323
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: by producer David o' Salesnik's Oscar for nineteen thirty nine

1324
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: is gone with the wind. What do we make of that?

1325
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole race element in there gets really interesting.

1326
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. Okay, okay, okay. Following his death a

1327
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: decade later, at the age of fifty, the statue has

1328
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: reportedly gone missing. The estate does not know where the

1329
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: Gone with the Wind statuette is. Jackson attorney Howard Weitzman

1330
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: told The Hollywood Reporter in twenty sixteen. We would like

1331
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: to have that Oscar because it belongs to Michael's children,

1332
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: not David O's Sells Nicks. I'm hopeful it would turn

1333
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: up at some point. That's funny. Where is it one

1334
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 2: of the Jackson five? Has it?

1335
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: Bubbles made off with it? Bubbles like, has it up? Yeah,

1336
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: Bubbles has done horrible things to Oscar.

1337
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: Obviously, most Oscar winners would prefer not to part with

1338
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: their prize possession, and those pre nineteen fifty one performers

1339
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: who have sold them usually do so to dire circumstances.

1340
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: Case in point, Harold Russell, a World War II veteran

1341
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: who lost both his hands before being cast in the

1342
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six film The Best Years of Our Lives.

1343
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: I got into an argument with a block of T

1344
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 2: and T and lost. He would later quit. Get hooks

1345
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: for Hands. That's kind of cool, kind of worth it,

1346
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: I mean, not not like really, I'm sure it's tragic,

1347
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: but like it's kind of cool that hooks for hands.

1348
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: Google him?

1349
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that, Yeah, I know I know about

1350
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: this guy. Though not a professional actor, he received the

1351
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: role because it closely mirrored his own life story, and

1352
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: ultimately it earned him an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor,

1353
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: as well as an honorary Award for quote bringing aid

1354
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: and comfort to disabled veterans through the medium of motion pictures.

1355
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: Russell sold the Best Supporting Actor trophy at auction in

1356
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two at the age of seventy eight, reportedly

1357
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: to pay for his wife's mounting medical costs. I love

1358
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: the Oscar, but I love my wife more, he told

1359
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: The New York Times. Although I've had the Oscar longer.

1360
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: If I ever get lonely for it, I can watch

1361
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: the picture. Award was sold for sixty five hundred dollars

1362
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: to an anonymous buyer. A few years after Russell's death

1363
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, Academy executive director Bruce Davis

1364
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 2: claimed that the real story was somewhat less tragic. A

1365
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: couple of reporters pinned him down. Davis claimed in The

1366
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: Times it came out that his wife wanted to take

1367
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: a cruise. He had a new wife who knew he

1368
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: had a spare Oscar. Universal Studio had Lou Washerman bought

1369
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: it and donated it back to us. Greatest generation. That

1370
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: was my on so old boss Lou Wasserman got ran

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: ya Russell. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Since two thousand and two, the Oscars have been held

1373
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: at the Dolby Theater formerly the Kodak Theater, facility, built

1374
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: with the express purpose of serving is a permanent home

1375
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: for the Academy Awards ceremonies. Outside on Hollywood Boulevard is

1376
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: where the legendary Oscar's Red Carpet is set up. The

1377
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: carpet itself runs five hundred feet long and has rolled

1378
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: out several days in advance and for days before.

1379
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: It's protected by a layer of plastic.

1380
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to walk it in twenty thirteen,

1381
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, and honestly, the biggest lesson I learned,

1382
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: and this is a pro tip. Apparently a lot of

1383
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: stars put duct tape on the soles of their shoes

1384
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: because the red carpet is very slippery, huh, and it

1385
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: helps with grip. Yeah, someone on the red carpet taught

1386
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: me that. Yeah, people do fall a lot.

1387
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean that was the Oscars where Jennifer

1388
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,440
Speaker 2: Lawrence fell on the way up to receive for Oscar. Oh.

1389
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 2: I met her earlier that night. She was America's streetheart.

1390
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, I mean, is she still? I don't

1391
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: think so no, it's okay, you can't. Yeah, nothing gold

1392
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: can stay.

1393
01:14:59,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: I was LIKEX to Mario Lopez on the carpet because

1395
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: I was doing like the questions beforehand, like the red

1396
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: carpet questions, and like everybody has.

1397
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: Did you ever do red carpet duty?

1398
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: When you were at people or Entertainment Weekly.

1399
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: I went to the Comedy Central roast of Don Rickles.

1400
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one.

1401
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: Oh my god, who did you meet? Triumphany and Soil

1402
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: comic Dog, so Robert Smiegel, not Conan, and then a

1403
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: bunch of different random stand ups who were all doing

1404
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: who were all there, But they kept the real like

1405
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp was there, and like Robert de Niro was there,

1406
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: Like they kept all the big people away from they

1407
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 2: didn't do the red carpet because it was at the Apollo. Yeah,

1408
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: they had kept everyone. It was like, you know, you

1409
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't you. Johnny Depp was like not walking the sidewalk

1410
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 2: outside the wall of the theater for a fucking step and repeat,

1411
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: you know. So I did. Yeah, that was fine, It

1412
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 2: was cool. I had a good time. Robert de Niro

1413
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: is terrible, like not as a person, but as like

1414
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: a yeah, heard that and Marty had a segment and

1415
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: it was like watching men drown, just neither of them

1416
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: able to have Even Marty with his sort of like

1417
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: a vuncular charismo, was like not selling it. So that's

1418
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: my red carpet story.

1419
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this was one of my first red carpets

1420
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: and it was the Oscars.

1421
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one, man. Yeah, I mean I

1422
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: was terrified.

1423
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: I was alone too, Like I flew out by myself,

1424
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: and you know, they gave you this like two by

1425
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: three rectangle of the carpet, and I was next to

1426
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: Mario Lopez who's with He took pity on me, and

1427
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: he was actually like the one he taught me about

1428
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: the shoe thing and and a few others. He was

1429
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: very sweet because he could kind of tell I was

1430
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: I was terrified. Yeah, I mean it's funny. It starts

1431
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: so early. It starts at like two thirty in the afternoon.

1432
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: So who did you Who did you get to talk to?

1433
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: You were people cool?

1434
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: Clooney was dating Stacy Keebler at the time, Jennifer Lawrence,

1435
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway, Jessica chess Stain asking them music related questions

1436
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: or just about it, just about everything. I don't remember

1437
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 2: what I when I.

1438
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: Asked him, and uh, yeah, those are the big ones.

1439
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: That's that stuck out. I think Ben Affleck too, Was

1440
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: he drunk? No, that was Argo year. That was the

1441
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: Argo year, so he was like he was he.

1442
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 1: Was doing well, yeah, Seth MacFarland because he was hosting

1443
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: that year. Yeah it was cool.

1444
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm glad you got to have that. Yeah. Well,

1445
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: it was weird because I was going through a breakup

1446
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: at the time, like a week before I went to

1447
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 2: the Oscars, which is not ideal, and I was like

1448
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: talking with my producers at VH one, like should we

1449
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: make a bit out of this, Like should we do

1450
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: like like sat short on the Oscars red carpet and

1451
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: ask like George Clooney and Ben Affleck and like Jennifer

1452
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 2: Lawrence for like love advice and rebound advice, and like

1453
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: we were all like kind of considering it, and then

1454
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: at the end I was like, man, no, I don't

1455
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: want to do that. Yeah, yeah, you you would have

1456
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 2: to not blink doing that. Yeah. There would be a

1457
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,440
Speaker 2: point at which.

1458
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: I was too raw too. It's very Yeah, that was

1459
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: a weird. That was a part of it was just

1460
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 1: like God, could you have wait until after I had

1461
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: this craist moment of my professional life.

1462
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 2: Please? No, no, they never can. Movie magic, movie magic.

1463
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, the Cole Kidman was there, Keith Urban,

1464
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: and I do remember it.

1465
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: Seems like he smells nice Urban. Yeah, I don't remember that,

1466
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: and like high end Musk.

1467
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I remember Mario Lopez did. I'm

1468
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,480
Speaker 1: told that he wears cretiventus for any any any fragheads

1469
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: out there, Any fragrance heads, that's what they call themselves. Sure, no, I.

1470
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 2: Told you that. That's my new that's one.

1471
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: Of my new interests of the last I know.

1472
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: I did know that. But that's a good that's a

1473
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: good joke.

1474
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: Cragheads. No, it's serious, that's what they call themselves. Yeah,

1475
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: I was actually speaking. We were talking about prebits earlier.

1476
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: I I my my journey in de niche fragrances began

1477
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: when I was writing a premature obituary for Quincy Jones.

1478
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 1: And during my research, everyone was like, oh, yeah, musical genius,

1479
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,879
Speaker 1: Oh incredible, and he smells really good, and like everyone

1480
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: kept talking about how good he smelled, and I'm like,

1481
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: all right, Quincy Jones, and you've like done a lot,

1482
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: but like the third thing that comes to people's minds

1483
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: is how good you smell? Like you must you must

1484
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: smell really damn good. And I looked it up and

1485
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: it was this brand called Creed and they've been around

1486
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: for like three hundred years, and it was this uh

1487
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: he apparently wore green Irish tweed, which was also worn

1488
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: by Carrie Grant reminded him of his of his upbringing

1489
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: in England. Robert Redford, I think wore it two and

1490
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: Paul Newman. And then I started looking up like, oh,

1491
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: what other like famous people from history?

1492
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 2: Where what are the Beatles wear?

1493
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: What Paul McCartney wears girlan vettever from nineteen sixty one,

1494
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: by the way, and uh, And then it just became like, oh,

1495
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: what what did like Napoleon wear? Because a lot of

1496
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: these brands have been around for hundreds of years? What

1497
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: did you know? What did Sean Connery wear? What did

1498
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 1: what did the king wear? What did the queen wear?

1499
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: And so I would get like either go to stores

1500
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: at like department stores and get you know how they

1501
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: sprayed stuff onto yeah, a little tester or sometimes send

1502
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: away for a little like two or three D yeah,

1503
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: and the cheap and it became like, uh, like like

1504
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: scent time travel. It was really cool.

1505
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah they say it's the strongest scent tied to memory. Yeah,

1506
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: it really. It was cool.

1507
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: So now I've started going up to the perfume floor

1508
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: on Sex Fifth Avenue. It's this huge floor just all

1509
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: these different kiosks with different high end brands and go

1510
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: with friends and like, oh yeah, this is what they

1511
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: wore in the silver screen era of Hollywood. They all

1512
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: wore aqua Deparma colonia. Because the costume people still you.

1513
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: Give guided tours of the Sax perfume department. I mean

1514
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: I do it with friends. Yeah, no, every you should

1515
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: charge for that. Are you kidding me? That's that's you

1516
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 2: could be Like I could become a beloved tour guide.

1517
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 2: It was really fun. It was really really fun. Yeah,

1518
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 2: with the Parma Colonia.

1519
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: The the coustom people at the studios would spray the

1520
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: tissue paper in the boxes when they would sending like

1521
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: gowns and high and tuxedos to their stars, and so

1522
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 1: that began the smell of like silver screen era Hollywood,

1523
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: and like David Niven and Ava Gardner and all those

1524
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 1: people carry Grant back in the thirties and forties.

1525
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. It was just cool, like

1526
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 2: to activate that.

1527
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: Also, you know, we're straight guys and like scent is

1528
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: very utilitarian. It's like, oh, something's burning or something smells bad.

1529
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: It's like the first time of my life it was like, oh,

1530
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: this is like a pleasurable thing. It's like an that

1531
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: there was a good color or something.

1532
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like opposed to like just going to target

1533
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: and getting like punch. Yeah, oh exactly. Yeah, that was cool.

1534
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of new colors and unlocking different senses, let's talk

1535
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 1: about the people who went onto the Oscars Red carpet.

1536
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:08,839
Speaker 1: While tripping on LSD, shall.

1537
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: We well, first, I wanted to ask you, oh sure,

1538
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 2: Elvis wore.

1539
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: Elvis wore a lot of really cheapy There weren't a

1540
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: lot of good options for guys in the fifties and

1541
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: the early sixties.

1542
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: For all of those ones you just named, well, okay, sure,

1543
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 2: but okay.

1544
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: In Tupelo and in Memphis in fifties and sixties, he

1545
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: wore a lot of like old spice brute and a

1546
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: brand called Canoe I think was another one. Oh yeah

1547
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: you Canoe, Oh my god, Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's

1548
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:41,480
Speaker 1: that's bad cologne.

1549
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's like Grandpa cologne, Like it's like

1550
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 2: not not good cologne. No, any others, No, I actually

1551
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: I have a Google dog. Oh, I'm sure you do.

1552
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: The only reason your canoe smells like is like what

1553
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: I want to say, it's in Hannibal.

1554
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: I think you're right.

1555
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There's a line in Hannibal when Larie

1556
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: is in the FBI, in the FBI in the van

1557
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: the atf ban and they're going to do a raid

1558
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 2: on a drug lord. And it's this line that's like

1559
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: when so and so lifted his arms, he demonstrated why

1560
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 2: something a splash of canoe is not the ship same

1561
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: as shower a shower or something like that. And So

1562
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: I was a kid when I'm boding canoe because I

1563
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, this is what like an FBI

1564
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: agent would wear. He realized it's like solove, like aqua velva.

1565
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, exactly. Oh yeah, so that's been fun for me.

1566
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: Any other uh, any other people you want to know

1567
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: what they smell like?

1568
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: I might be able. I might have that information, handy

1569
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 2: Miles Davis, I don't know that, No, David Bowie, Oh

1570
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: I know Creed Silver Mountain Water, different Creed, different Creed.

1571
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: He also wore tom Ford Gray vettevir, which then Iman

1572
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 1: continued to wear after his death to make him feel close.

1573
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's you made it sad. Now, I don't

1574
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 2: know what else you got. Oh yeah, the South Park guys, right,

1575
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1576
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: So speaking of new senses and colors, And we're gonna

1577
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: talk about some guys who went to the Oscars, will

1578
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: tripping on acid when their song Blamed Canada from South

1579
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 1: Park Bigger of Longer, Uncut unexpectedly.

1580
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: Earned an Oscar nod.

1581
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: In two thousand, the countercultural television icons had a once

1582
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity to make their unique.

1583
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 2: Mark on Hollywood's Glitzius Night.

1584
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: We talked about going in big duck outfits, Trey Parker

1585
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: later said, and we thought, if we go in big

1586
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: duck costumes, then they have a reason not let us in.

1587
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: But if we're wearing what other people wear, then they

1588
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 1: can't really say we can't come in. Technically. The nomination

1589
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: for Best Song went to Trey Parker, who co wrote

1590
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: Blame Canada with lyricist Mark Shaman. So when Trey Parker

1591
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: invited to South Park, partner Matt Stone to be his date.

1592
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: Stone initially wanted to wear a dress in post as

1593
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: a fictitious European model as Trey Parker's date. The idea

1594
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: morphed a bit from there, and ultimately the pair opts

1595
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: to both go and drag, with Trey Parker wearing a

1596
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: painstakingly recreated replica of the low cut Versace gown that

1597
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez had worn into the two thousand Grammys a

1598
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 1: few weeks earlier, and Matt Stone dawned a dress modeled

1599
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: after the pink Ralph Lauren number that Gwyneth Paltrow had Warren.

1600
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: To collect her oscar for Shakespeare in Love the year before,

1601
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine.

1602
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: They would later say that they regretted not dusting their

1603
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: noses with a bit of powdered sugar for an added effect.

1604
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: See. I was just about to say, how funny that

1605
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: actually is, Like that they went to people and had

1606
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 2: these meticulous recreator and then they always have to push

1607
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: it to the one thing that makes it stop. Well,

1608
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: they didn't do that though. They didn't do it. I know,

1609
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: I know, Matt Stone told The Hollywood Reporter in twenty sixteen.

1610
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Some people were stoked when we showed up at the

1611
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Oscars in those dresses, Michael Kaine being one. Gotta of

1612
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine, oh man, of course, well the British love dress.

1613
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't think of that.

1614
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: You're so right, Yes, cornerstone of their tradition of comedy.

1615
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: But I remember Gloria Estefan was super pissed. Even sadly

1616
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: think I included this. He was saying like, yeah, A

1617
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, this is the biggest non

1618
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: of our lives. Few so they were stifon.

1619
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't know a what she was being

1620
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: there and b why she was pissed. That's too funny.

1621
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: But Matt Stone and Trey Parker's attire was not the

1622
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: most far out thing about their appearance at the Oscars.

1623
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: The pair I had wanted to find a way to

1624
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: quote go but not go to the ceremony.

1625
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: According to the.

1626
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven special Six Days to Air The Making of

1627
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: South Park, their solution was to take sugar cubes dast

1628
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: with LSD just before showtime. It's so crazy now to

1629
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 1: think about. Trey Parker later admit red carpet reporters naturally

1630
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: had a lot of questions, and Matt Stone and Trey

1631
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: Parker answered each one by saying, it's a magical night tonight.

1632
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: That they responded to any question. How about Their attire

1633
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: was just to look off into space, into the middle

1634
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: distance and say, it's a magical night tonight. That's a

1635
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: good bit. That's a great bit. It's just such a

1636
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: magical night tonight.

1637
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 2: I mean, please watch an honor, just to be known

1638
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 2: an honor, just to please watch those clips of this

1639
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 2: on YouTube, and it is great. I just, man, I

1640
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 2: don't remember this happening. No, I don't remember having that

1641
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: kind of like Mary prankster attitude on acid, where like

1642
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 2: I would volunteer to be in public.

1643
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: That's what they said. That's what I said. Like we

1644
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: like had a really hard time getting out of the limo.

1645
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, like on acid, it's.

1646
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 2: Like changing locations is really hard and to go from

1647
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 2: would not be fun.

1648
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: No, And they said, like get like going from the

1649
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: safety of the limo and the darkness of the limo

1650
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: and the container the limo to like every camera in

1651
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: the western world the sun and like thousands of people. Yeah,

1652
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: they said it was terrible, fine, Oh my god. And

1653
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 1: their come down was made even more harsh when they

1654
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 1: lost the Oscar to Phil Collins and his Tarzan track

1655
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: You'll Be in My Heart. When a reporter asked them

1656
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: if it was still a magical night after this disappointment,

1657
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: Trey Parker replied, it doesn't matter because losing just makes

1658
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: it horrible. It's terrible to lose to Phil Collins, especially. Yeah,

1659
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: it's very good to see them.

1660
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: On the Red carpet is very good. No, no, I

1661
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: mean I remember this getting covered a lot. Yeah, I know,

1662
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: I did them, no quarrel. That's fine, that's a while,

1663
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 2: and good that they did that.

1664
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like give any more airtime to

1665
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: b York's Swan outfit, which, honestly, I was just.

1666
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: About to say, but now you're gonna give b York

1667
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: this short in a post Lady Gaga world, siss of you?

1668
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 2: Do you have anything to say about it? I know,

1669
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: absolutely not. Okay, it wasn't that the year she was

1670
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 2: nominated for the large One Trier movie like That's crazier

1671
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 2: wearing like a whimsical swan dress to movie that ends

1672
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: with you the spoiler alert that ends with your character

1673
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 2: hanging themselves.

1674
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I would like to shout out I

1675
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: have to say about it. I don't in a post

1676
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: lady world, I don't with.

1677
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 2: Bjork. I had no quarrel with Bork.

1678
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I I okay. It's also quiet. Song is great.

1679
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you love that one.

1680
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: I do because it's an old fifties song that she did,

1681
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: and the video is great. Spike Jones video is wonderful.

1682
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 2: I know. I have no quarrel with Byork.

1683
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: She actually remember Tradesman, this bar out by where we

1684
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:30,879
Speaker 1: used to live in in Bushwick.

1685
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: I used to DJ there.

1686
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: It's just like non descriptive bar and a couple of

1687
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: blocks from my apartment. Bjorke just like went there one night.

1688
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,799
Speaker 1: It's just so weird. Yeah, it's all over like Brooklyn

1689
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Vegan the next day. Yeah yeah, So okay, enough about

1690
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: b York. But I would like to shout out the

1691
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: most expensive dress in Oscar's history, which is Jennifer Lawrence's

1692
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: Pink Your Mature Gown, which was valued somehow. I don't

1693
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: really understand at four million dollars.

1694
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, money's not real. True. I guess the paintings, but

1695
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 2: you need to put numbers on anything. That's true. Paint

1696
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: things are being sold for one hundred million dollars. I

1697
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: guess that's true. Yeah, I mean, come on, what's his name?

1698
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Jeff Kutz?

1699
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Does this like it's not true?

1700
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 2: That's true.

1701
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: I saw him close. I witnessed her fall down in it,

1702
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: which I can imagine.

1703
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 2: It was there like diamond zone into it or I

1704
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 2: don't remember, I thought.

1705
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I remember being very impressed with

1706
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Jessica chess Stand because she looked like an old school

1707
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: forties like Hollywood star.

1708
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: I remember just thinking, look like somebody. I mean, maybe

1709
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: this is my design. That was like I went to

1710
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 2: prom alongside like she was America's sweetheart. I'm not quite

1711
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 2: sure what you don't remember or understand about that. I

1712
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: know seems eminently obvious to me. Did you ever see

1713
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 2: the picture of me and Cluining? No? Do you get

1714
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 2: a selfie with him?

1715
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: I got a selfie of me and he's like talking

1716
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: to the person next to me.

1717
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: Because I was I couldn't do it.

1718
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't be I first of all, I was afraid

1719
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna get fired if I, like asked for

1720
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: us selfie with him. But you know, I've never asked

1721
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 1: for a selfie with a celebrity or with anyone, honestly,

1722
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: but certain celebrities know you want it, and they say,

1723
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: do you want to get a selfie? And I do

1724
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: find that endearing, even though I know that's the best.

1725
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: That's Taylor Swift's whole thing. Oh yeah, well she was.

1726
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: She was like, do you want a selfie? And I

1727
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I do, Yeah, I really do. And

1728
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: then she was like, no, no, we can do better

1729
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: than a selfie. Let's do a photo shoot here in

1730
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: the breakroom of this office. Oh I remember that, yea, yeah, no,

1731
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: that was fine. Yeah, that was strange. And now there's

1732
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of photos on the Internet of me fixing

1733
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: a Xerox machine, and there were others too. I only

1734
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: got that one. But there's us. She's like, has like

1735
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: a fire extinguisher. She's pointing at me, and then we're

1736
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: at like a like a snack's machine, and one of

1737
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: them where she's like, one of us is standing probably me,

1738
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: probably me standing at a garbage can. Most likely me.

1739
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: If me or Taylor Swift is standing in a garbage can,

1740
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: the person who's standing in the garbage can, it's probably me.

1741
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 2: So good that she was chill, because everything else about

1742
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 2: her I would not say she was chill. I don't know.

1743
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could put that in there.

1744
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, or at least had ideas like,

1745
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:09,879
Speaker 2: oh yeah.

1746
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Oh she was playful. Did you see the thing about Taylor?

1747
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Asked Lauren Michaels for something. Michaels responded by saying, I

1748
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: don't negotiate with terrorists.

1749
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 2: But for someone who hasn't been funny in a long time.

1750
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny.

1751
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 2: Everybody gets won.

1752
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that we can keep.

1753
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 1: Speaking of stuff that might not get broadcasts. Now, let's

1754
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,440
Speaker 1: get into the broadcast history of the Oscars.

1755
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 2: THEE came to hear Yes.

1756
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: The second Oscar ceremony in nineteen thirty was the first

1757
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: one to be broadcast by radio, and the first televised

1758
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,799
Speaker 1: Oscars didn't occur until twenty three years later in nineteen

1759
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: fifty three. The first Oscars to be broadcast in color

1760
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: took place in April nineteen sixty six, and to heighten

1761
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: the impact, art directors went ham on the sound, which

1762
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: included forty two fountain spraying water, which I feel compelled

1763
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: to mention isn't necessarily enhanced by color. I didn't actually

1764
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: watch this maybe they projected lights onto it. The show

1765
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: must go on, as we all know, as they show

1766
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: business mantra. But there have been three occasions when the

1767
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Oscar ceremony was delayed due to unforeseen circumstances.

1768
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven.

1769
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: No, well that because that was in the fall and Oscar.

1770
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Yes, the joke, Thank you, Ted, that was the joke.

1771
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: The tenth Academy Awards was postponed a week as a

1772
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: result of the Los Angeles flood of nineteen thirty eight,

1773
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: which killed over one hundred people and destroyed roads, bridges,

1774
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: and acres.

1775
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: Of farmland throughout the county.

1776
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: The five day flood cost upwards of seventy eight million

1777
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: dollars worth of damage or one point sixty nine billion

1778
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty three dollars, making one of the costliest

1779
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: disasters in the city's history. I bet you that stat

1780
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 1: was written prior to January. The oscars were delayed again

1781
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight. A turbulent time.

1782
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 2: Oh run dun dum dum dum dum d d s

1783
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 2: d shun dump dum.

1784
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Chopper.

1785
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, do the chopping. Yeah, mao did he? Mau What

1786
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 2: is that third time you've done it? No? It's, Uh.

1787
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 2: The only way I know it is from uh.

1788
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: It's a deer hunter when when they're at the the thing,

1789
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: he says, I.

1790
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: Think so, I think so.

1791
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 3: But it's it's also something about an episode of The

1792
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 3: Simpsons where Homer's like or no, it's it's bart like

1793
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 3: beating principal Skinner in a in a steel cage, which

1794
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 3: were in like a bamboo cage.

1795
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Which is, yeah, that's where I saw Mau. Did he Mau?

1796
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 2: You need to find that later?

1797
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Funds that in Well, A lot of jokes for a

1798
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: really not funny event, the Oscars, I can modulate tone.

1799
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. True.

1800
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: The Oscars were delayed again in nineteen sixty eight. Following

1801
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior. The Academy postponed

1802
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: the fortieth annual ceremony, initially scheduled for April eighth, for

1803
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: two days so stars like Harry Belafonte, Diane Carroll, Sammy

1804
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 1: Davis Junior, Louis Armstrong, and Marlon Brando could attend King's.

1805
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 2: Funeral in Atlanta.

1806
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 1: One of those things is not like the other man.

1807
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how racially horrible that atmosphere must have

1808
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: been to like go to that Oscar ceremony after it

1809
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 2: was postponed, with like a bunch of these people who

1810
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: were probably like openly celebrating his death. Yeah, I was

1811
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 2: gonna say, John Wayne was zac. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get

1812
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: We'll get to John Wayne's Oscar.

1813
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: A little bit. Gregory Peck, the Oscar winning actor who

1814
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: was then serving as the President of the Academy, opened

1815
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,480
Speaker 1: the ceremony on April tenth with a speech acknowledging the tragedy.

1816
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: This has been a fateful week in the history of

1817
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: our nation, he says, we join with fellow members of

1818
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: our profession and men of goodwill everywhere, to pay our

1819
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: respects to the memory of doctor Martin Luther King Junior.

1820
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: He then observed that two of the five films nominated

1821
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: for Best Picture that year, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner

1822
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 1: and In the Heat of the Night, both starring Sidney Poitier,

1823
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: dealt with the subject of quote understanding between the races.

1824
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 2: The third and most.

1825
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: Recent time that the Oscars were postponed was nineteen eighty one,

1826
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: just four hours before the ceremony was due to begin

1827
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: on March thirtieth, Four hours earlier in the day, twenty

1828
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: five year old John Hinckley Junior attempted to assassinate the

1829
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: newly inaugurated President Ronald Reagan outside a hotel in Washington,

1830
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: d C. Reportedly in an attempt to gain the attention

1831
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: of Jodie Foster.

1832
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 2: We all know that story.

1833
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Hinkley had developed a psychotic obsession with the actress after

1834
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: seeing her. Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver, in which Robert de

1835
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Niro's character Travis Bickele plus to assassinate a presidential candidate.

1836
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: We all know the story.

1837
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Reagan, who began his career as an actor and was

1838
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 1: a former Academy member, himself, had pre recorded a message

1839
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: for the Oscar ceremonies opening sequence. The Academy felt it

1840
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 1: wise to wait until the Commander in Chief was confirmed

1841
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: to be in stable condition before continuing the ceremony. Reagan

1842
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 1: himself specifically requested that the clip be aired and watched

1843
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: the ceremony from his hospital band with a big old

1844
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: jar of jelly beans.

1845
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say about all of that. You

1846
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,799
Speaker 2: have nothing to say about uh, nothing to say about

1847
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 2: John Hinckley, or nothing to say about Nancy m No.

1848
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say about that. You know, people

1849
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 2: love John Hinckley because he went for the Right President

1850
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 2: show but he failed, And as Donald Trump says, I

1851
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: only like winners. Also, like everyone, you know, all these

1852
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 2: internet poisoned losers want to like talk about how hilarious

1853
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 2: it is that John Hickley Junior's still like out there

1854
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 2: been like making dumb country covers because he was the

1855
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 2: one who killed Reagan or tried to kill Reagan, and like, yeah,

1856
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 2: that's fine, but he was also like obsessed over a

1857
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 2: twelve year old. Yeah, we kind of skipped that part.

1858
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 2: We do skip that. The guy he shot did like

1859
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:31,879
Speaker 2: live the rest of his life like afflicted by constant

1860
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: pain and then died. Oh Brady, So not that he

1861
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 2: was like you know, he was he was in the

1862
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 2: Reagan circle, so he was obviously a piece of shoot

1863
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 2: some way. But uh, you know, anyway, where are we

1864
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 2: talking about.

1865
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: Well, now we're going to move on to Oscar presenters.

1866
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Bob Hope holds the record as the most consistent Oscar

1867
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 1: presenter with a truly terrifying nineteen ceremonies between nineteen forty

1868
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight. Bob Hope scares me. There's like

1869
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: a real malevolence there.

1870
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 2: I feel like, well, I mean, is it kind of

1871
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 2: the forced cheer under the simmering like hatred eyed stare?

1872
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know. I mean, anyone

1873
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: who's that close to being Crosby, Well, yeah, you're right

1874
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 1: about that, and Burrell all in, Milton Burrell, Bing Crosby,

1875
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Bob Hope, I just Jack, Benny, all those guys. I

1876
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: just feel I have nothing to base this on at all.

1877
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're all bad guys.

1878
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that's pretty I think that's

1879
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 2: pretty safe to assume.

1880
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Okay, good, I'm glad we did this. Yeah, good talk son.

1881
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,480
Speaker 1: Woopy Goldberg became the first woman and the first African American.

1882
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 2: To serve as the solo hosts of the show in

1883
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four.

1884
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: But hosts, you know, as we all know, it is

1885
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: a tough job. Sometimes they are called upon to go

1886
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 1: above and beyond the call of duty. Case in point,

1887
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: and the nineteen fifty nine Oscars wrapped a full twenty minutes.

1888
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: Early producers through to co host Jerry Lewis to just

1889
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: stretch and fill time. Standing amid presenters and newly minted

1890
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 1: Oscar winners. Lewis announced that they be singing three hundred

1891
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 1: choruses of There's no business like Show Business before watching

1892
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: a three Stooges program to quote cheer up the losers.

1893
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: He then stole the conductor's baton and led the orchestra

1894
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 1: in song until NBC got tired of his shenanigans and.

1895
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 2: Cut to a sports review show for the rest of

1896
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 2: the time. Kind of great, although I hate trying to

1897
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 2: say what an irritating man?

1898
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:35,879
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, But arguably the best impromptu Oscars

1899
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 1: incident curtit nineteen seventy three, when Charlton Heston got a

1900
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: flat tire on the way to the ceremony where he

1901
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 1: was due to present, and instead producers grabbed Clint Eastwood out.

1902
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Of the audience to sup in. They were kind of interchanged.

1903
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that there's something. Yeah, if you're

1904
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 2: going to pick any two white guys to just do that,

1905
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 2: you know, come on, guys.

1906
01:40:55,520 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of disastrous presenter moments, we have to talk

1907
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 1: about the opening segment of the nineteen eighty nine Oscars.

1908
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: This has gone down in Oscar's history is produced by

1909
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: Alan Carr, the ultra flamboyant Hollywood wheeler dealer who'd rocketed

1910
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 1: to the top of showbiz with the success of Greece

1911
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, which he'd produced. He was known

1912
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: for his expensive and flashy parties and productions, and so

1913
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: he was hired to produce the sixty first Annual Academy.

1914
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 2: Awards in March of nineteen eighty.

1915
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Nine, basically to inject some life into it. The edict

1916
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: had been to shift the somewhat rigid ceremony to something

1917
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 1: a little more out there, and boy howdy, that's what

1918
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 1: they got. Beforehand, Carr insisted that the night would be

1919
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 1: quote the antithesis of tacky, and folks, you don't have

1920
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: to be a linguistics expert to know that when someone

1921
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:51,480
Speaker 1: insists that something will be the antithesis of tacky, it's

1922
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: probably going to be pretty tacky.

1923
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 2: The whole thing was.

1924
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: Musical numbers that would attempted.

1925
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: The blend old and new and really, yeh, my god,

1926
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: of course he did. I mean, this is the bit

1927
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 2: that everyone talks about.

1928
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 1: There's an actress named Eileen Bowman who dressed up as

1929
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: snow white and sang a rendition of Proud Mary with

1930
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: Rob Lowe that lasted twelve minutes.

1931
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 2: That's a lot of airtime. Yeah, and then like the

1932
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 2: the like underage sex tape had come out right around

1933
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 2: that time, right, Oh, check that. I think it might

1934
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 2: have been mo it around it was right after.

1935
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. The long, painful performance baffled the audience, and certain

1936
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:39,759
Speaker 1: high profile Hollywood actors Gregory Peck, Paul Newman, and Julie

1937
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 1: Andrews all wrote a letter to the Academy condemning the

1938
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 1: program as quote an embarrassment and adding insult to injury,

1939
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: and Disney filed a lawsuit against the Academy for not

1940
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 1: officially licensing snow White. Although the eventually back down with

1941
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 1: a simple apology from the Academy, this number haunted Rob

1942
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Low's career for years, and also Alan Carr, whose career

1943
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: never really recovered and he died in the late nineties

1944
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 1: of liver cancer. And now we got to talk about

1945
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: people who were banned.

1946
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 2: Did you do you get into Franco and Hathaway? No

1947
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 2: you got something to say about them? Oh? No, I

1948
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 2: people hated them.

1949
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

1950
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 2: I just thought it was comment worthy because it's one

1951
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 2: of the big other train wreck ones in recent history

1952
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 2: people have talked about. I mean, it was train wreck,

1953
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 2: but it was just like they just weren't great at it.

1954
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: It was not like uniquely horrible, and that means it's

1955
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: like the David Letterman thing where he introduces Oprah Uma.

1956
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 1: He produces Oprah Winfrey to Uma Thermon. He makes a

1957
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: whole bit about like, oh, they have funny names, and

1958
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: people were like, he's the worst Oscar host of all time.

1959
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,679
Speaker 2: It was just not a great fit, not a great joke.

1960
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: But it's not really we don't get into the slap

1961
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: on here, the Chris Rocks slap, are we not?

1962
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:52,759
Speaker 2: Okay?

1963
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Yes, so now we are getting into the section of

1964
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: people who have been banned or threatened with banishment from

1965
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: the oscars. Will Smith, for the slap, has been banned

1966
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: for ten years.

1967
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: Although he went back in the building to collect, right

1968
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 2: or did they like I don't actually remember how that

1969
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 2: played out.

1970
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 1: He slapped him and he sat back down and then

1971
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 1: went back up and accepted. Yeah. They it was like, oh,

1972
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: after the fact when they were like, oh, we probably

1973
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 1: should have taken a stronger stance on that.

1974
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 2: Your bands for ten years, Yeah, that was a weird year.

1975
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 2: I feel like that didn't count. How so I just

1976
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 2: feel like we just were like it just it was

1977
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 2: a covid Oscars. Yeah, I feel like we just kind

1978
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 2: of decided it was going to be We're just going

1979
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,480
Speaker 2: to take a mulligan on that one.

1980
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 1: So he's banned for ten years. Will Smith, Bill Cosby

1981
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: and several other felons are banned for life. Understandably, but

1982
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: these are not the only folks to get banned from

1983
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,959
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards Technically. In nineteen ninety three, the Oscars

1984
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 1: producers did not take kindly to presenters going off script.

1985
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Then couple Susan Saranded and Tim Robbins took a moment

1986
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 1: presenting the award for Best Film Editing to address the

1987
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: AIDS crisis in Haiti. Ironically, attendees at the nineteen ninety

1988
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: three Oscars were wearing red ribbons for HIV AIDS awareness.

1989
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: Then later that night, Richard Gear, presenting Best Art Direction,

1990
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 1: took a stand against the Chinese invasion of Tibet.

1991
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot. Gear was all about Tibet.

1992
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: All about t Bet. The audience applauded, but Oscar's producer

1993
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Gil Kates was livid. In an LA Times piece published

1994
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: soon after the telecast, Kates is quoted as saying does

1995
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: anyone care about Richard Gear's comments about China, It's arrogant.

1996
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: He went on to address the comments made by Sarandon

1997
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 1: and Robbins. For someone who I invite to present an

1998
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: award to use that time to postulate a personal political belief,

1999
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 1: I think it's not only outrageous, it's distasteful and dishonest.

2000
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 2: So shut up and act. In other words, yes, he concluded,

2001
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't invite them to my home, and I won't

2002
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 2: invite them to a future show. Ironically, all of these

2003
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 2: speeches are now available on the Oscars YouTube page to

2004
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 2: watch anytime you want. Please please restart our ratings have

2005
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 2: been refall in please watch anything about the Oscars for

2006
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 2: begging you.

2007
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: All three Tim Robbins, Susan Surround and Richard Gear were

2008
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: reportedly banned from the Oscars for life, but it didn't

2009
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: stick for any of the three. Susan Surroundon won Best

2010
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 1: Actress three years later for nineteen ninety five's Dead Man Walking,

2011
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: and Tim Robbins scored a Best Supporting Actor win for

2012
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 1: Mistic River in two thousand and four. Richard Gear has

2013
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: not won an OSCAR since, but he's yeah, He's attended

2014
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 1: ward shows multiple times since he was supposedly banned, starting

2015
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen.

2016
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 2: When I was there, maybe I saw him. She's so funny.

2017
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 2: He just kind of like snuck back on and everyone's like, Ah, Richard,

2018
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 2: you little scam. It's okay. He talked about this.

2019
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: He told the Huffington Posts that quote, it seems if

2020
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 1: you stay around long enough, they forget they banned you.

2021
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 1: But in a twenty seventeen Hollywood Reporter profile, Gear said

2022
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: that the Tibet Oscars incident did have long lasting effects

2023
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 1: on his career. He claimed that he'd been denied many

2024
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 1: film roles because his presence in a movie could tank

2025
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: its overseas box office because releases in China make a

2026
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:05,639
Speaker 1: lot of money.

2027
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's I mean, that's one hundred percent true.

2028
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 2: Sad trombone for Richard Gear and the Gerbils, that no doubt.

2029
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 2: Never mind how many how many Gerbils have died in

2030
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 2: the name of Richard Gear, is that? What's your beef

2031
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 2: with the Gear?

2032
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 1: I hate Richard Gear, Okay, I hate rich.

2033
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:28,719
Speaker 2: And Kevin Costs.

2034
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: I still like them, still like them. I hate the

2035
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: movies they're in, hate their face, I hate their acting. Okay, okay,

2036
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 1: mister tea and the women get out of here, officer

2037
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: and a gentleman.

2038
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 2: No pretty woman.

2039
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen pretty women because I can't get past

2040
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 1: Richard Gerett.

2041
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 2: You lied to our podcast guests.

2042
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: In which way?

2043
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2044
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I do that a lot. I'm not as nice.

2045
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm actually just as mean as you. That's the thing.

2046
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 1: People don't get listeners. Well, eventually, we were one hundred

2047
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: and seventy five episodes in, and people are gonna have

2048
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 1: to understand that I'm just as mean as you.

2049
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:02,719
Speaker 2: That's why we're friends.

2050
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 1: It wouldn't actually work if I was as nice as

2051
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:06,720
Speaker 1: people think I am. Are you or as mean as

2052
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:09,759
Speaker 1: people think you are? You're actually nicer and I'm actually meaner,

2053
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: and we meet in the middle. That's how this works.

2054
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 2: I can't believe is all just flowed out of here

2055
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,799
Speaker 2: because of Richard Gere. I hate Richarde, Yeah, man, clearly, Okay,

2056
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 2: that's all right. I don't give a shit. What do

2057
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:28,719
Speaker 2: you think about Richard gear I don't think about Richard Gere, Yeah, exactly,

2058
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:30,679
Speaker 2: I don't think about him at all. I mean, I

2059
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 2: he's one step removed from Julia Roberts in that that

2060
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 2: nineties stretch where she was like the most beautiful woman

2061
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 2: in the world, so like, oh, he was a run

2062
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 2: of my bride too. Yeah, I'm not even talking about

2063
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 2: that one. I mean like I'm talking about Mystic River,

2064
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 2: Pretty Woman Era, Missing Pizza. It's is Pizza Mystic Julia

2065
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 2: Roberts in Mystic River. Boy, what a hotty? Yeah, I

2066
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't. I'm just he seems so indefensive, like,

2067
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 2: isn't he He's just like a little guy too, He's

2068
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 2: not like, yeah, squirrelly face. He got sidekicked in the

2069
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 2: balls by gas Junior and then like didn't win an

2070
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 2: Oscar for that lusta Junior did? Oh yeah, what was

2071
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 2: it for again? Well, speaking of what Richard Gear does

2072
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 2: when he's naked, let's talk about nudity at the oscars.

2073
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm really I feel like a psychologist that just like

2074
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 2: unlocked some kind of hidden trauma or like a new

2075
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 2: insight into you. Like this tends the case into a

2076
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 2: whole new direction. Jordan hates, I really hate Richard Gear.

2077
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm sir, We'll get I'm sure somebody's gonna tweet at

2078
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 1: me about now. I'm looking at at his filmography now

2079
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 1: to see if this is oh, he was Looking for Mister.

2080
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 2: Goodbar, which is a good movie. I don't think like yeah,

2081
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 2: I just I don't think about him enough. I'm so

2082
01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 2: this is so wild to me that Looking for mis

2083
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 2: Goodbye is a great movie. Uh dance. Yeah, that was

2084
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 2: like poised to be his comeback for a second, and

2085
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 2: then we as a society we're like, no, I think

2086
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 2: he's like accurately rated. Yeah, oh yeah, he was in

2087
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 2: the Todd Haynes. I'm not there a Bob Dylan movie

2088
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 2: as Billy the Kid are Abob Dylan. That's actually his section.

2089
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not good in it. He doesn't really

2090
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 2: bring anything to that, but like that is one of

2091
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 2: my favorite segments of that film because it's like clearly

2092
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 2: like the basement tapes John Wesley Harding, you know, Pat

2093
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:34,839
Speaker 2: Garrett Billy the Kid version, and it is like this creepy,

2094
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 2: sort of demented like Halloween Town that they Jim James

2095
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 2: of My Morning Jacket and Collexico do a very moving

2096
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 2: version of a completely throwaway basement tape song called Go

2097
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 2: Nakapolco that has a masturbation joke in it. So there's that.

2098
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: He's seventy five dance and he looks like hell, Okay,

2099
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 1: he looks that he five.

2100
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 2: All right, I'm softening now that I see that he's

2101
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: like old as hell, now that I've seen that I've

2102
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 2: triumphed over him, that the time has.

2103
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 1: Ravaged Richard Gear.

2104
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I want to see if anything else Wikipedia

2105
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 2: page with Gerbils they scrubbed that. How would Snopes?

2106
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let's look, folks. Do you want to tell the

2107
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 1: kind folks what we're talking about here with Richard Gear

2108
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: and Gerbils?

2109
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 2: No? Uh so, yeah, okay, it's on. It's on. It

2110
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 2: is on Snopes. But the rumor was that Richard Gear

2111
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: was once escorted to the hospital where they found alive

2112
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 2: hamster in his nether regions, the larger of the two

2113
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 2: holes available to men.

2114
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 1: There's what my friend Chris Fleming, a comedian friend, we

2115
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 1: used to go when he was just starting when he

2116
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 1: was a teenager.

2117
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 2: We were all teenagers.

2118
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 1: We go to the Boston to these open mic nights

2119
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 1: and it was always the same EMC and we'd see

2120
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 1: the same MC do the same jokes fifty times.

2121
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 2: And he had this.

2122
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Joke and I wish I could get it perfectly, but

2123
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 1: it was something like, yeah, I started taking and take

2124
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: a Viagra works okay first, like one or two pills,

2125
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: but after that it's really hard to get more than

2126
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: one or two pills up in that tiny hole, and

2127
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 1: every time we all just doubled over.

2128
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on from that.

2129
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: My favorite thing I do is when I tell a

2130
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: joke that either.

2131
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Speaker 2: You don't like or doesn't land, or you just know

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01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm not going to.

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01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: Use, you don't acknowledge it, and you give me something

2134
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 1: really great to cut on, which is nice.

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01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, this is actually interesting. I read about this.

2136
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 2: So Richard Gear and Sylvester still Or in a movie

2137
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 2: called Lords of Flatbush in nineteen seventy four, and they

2138
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 2: really did like each other. They really hate each other,

2139
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 2: and supposedly one day Gear spilled like chicken broth or

2140
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 2: something like chicken soup in Stalone's car and they started

2141
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 2: a fight and Gear was fired and recast. There's no

2142
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 2: evidence of this, but they did share an agent who

2143
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 2: was known to never allow them in a room together.

2144
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 2: And then in the nineties, apparently after Pretty Woman, an

2145
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:35,719
Speaker 2: anonymous prankster flooded fax machines across Hollywood with a fake

2146
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:39,759
Speaker 2: press release from the ASPCA warning about Richard Gear's past

2147
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 2: abuse of Gerbils. I didn't know that was where that

2148
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 2: came from, so well, thank you for that. You know,

2149
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 2: I choose to believe it, not the hamster part, but

2150
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 2: the Sylvester stillone part. Is a small man, after all,

2151
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 2: is incredibly thin skin a self heading small man. Well,

2152
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 2: he's just always been known to be like thin skinned

2153
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 2: and egotistical. Did you see his recent thing we're talking

2154
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:11,719
Speaker 2: about how times got soft? No, he had like a

2155
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 2: like a partictably boomer moment where he was like he

2156
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, people just got soft, like

2157
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 2: they're not challenged as much these days, talking about like

2158
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:23,879
Speaker 2: soft generations, like life is easy, like throwing participation trophy

2159
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 2: like that kind of boomer. Oh okay, says the guy

2160
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 2: with the fake boxing globes from his not being a

2161
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 2: boxer movies. Uh what were we doing well, speaking of

2162
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 2: things that Richard Gear does naked. Oh yeah, you had

2163
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,879
Speaker 2: that great Yeah, you had that great segue.

2164
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 1: For legal reasons, we should say that he absolutely does

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01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 1: not perform a scene X with Jurbils in the privacy

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01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 1: of his own home or otherwise, yes, or anywhere else?

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01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 2: Do you want to keep going with this because of

2168
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 2: how much you hate. You're more alive than I've seen

2169
01:54:55,760 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 2: you in weeks by your Richard gear, like you've been

2170
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 2: gifted by the muse. Well, most people have nightmares about

2171
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 2: being naked on stage in front of a massive group

2172
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 2: of people. Thirty three year old, Robert Opple or Ople

2173
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 2: Did you ever find that out? I don't.

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01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 1: Ople feels right, yeah.

2175
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 2: Robert Opele, thirty three years old, streaked across the Hollywood's

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01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 2: Biggest night stage with Oscar's co host David Niven in

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01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 2: the middle of welcoming Elizabeth Taylor to the stage present

2178
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 2: the Best Picture Award, and a nude Opple ran behind him.

2179
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 2: I thought he looked like David Crosby. I know me too,

2180
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 2: flashing a smile and a peace sign at the camera,

2181
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 2: and then dashed off again. The streaking fad had swept

2182
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 2: the country that year. Ray Stevens had in fact just

2183
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 2: released the country novelty song The Streak, which hit numbers

2184
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 2: one soon after, and the crowd erupted into laughter and cheers.

2185
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 2: Even the band launched into it a suggestive stripper theme.

2186
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 2: David Niven, of course, a paragone of class and pre

2187
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 2: written jokes quipped, a, isn't a fascinating to think that

2188
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 2: the only laughed bands bound to get in his entire

2189
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 2: life by stripping off is by stripping off and showing

2190
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 2: his shortcoming. When he giggling, Liz Taylor did finally come out,

2191
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:08,760
Speaker 2: she couldn't resist making a crack of her own.

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01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 1: That's a pretty hard act to follow. That's arguably better

2193
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: than the Nivens.

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01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, he gilded the lily too much. Yeah, made

2195
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 2: it too wordy. Afterwards, Oppa was given the chance to

2196
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 2: explain himself to the assembled media. People shouldn't be ashamed

2197
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 2: of being nude in public, he told reporters while standing

2198
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 2: in the winner's row in front of an oversized Oscar statue. Besides,

2199
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 2: it's a hell of a way to launch a career.

2200
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:36,839
Speaker 2: He would later claim that he sneaked past security imposed

2201
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 2: as a journalist to access the backstage area of the

2202
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 2: Dorothy Chandeler pavilion, and it all seems so smooth that

2203
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 2: there were rumors that the stunt had been staged by

2204
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 2: the ceremonies producer Jack Haley Junior, son of Wizard of

2205
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 2: Oz's Tin Man. Why else would a man who just

2206
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 2: trespassed exposed himself on national television and apparently damaged an

2207
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 2: expensive stage curtain in the process, simply allowed to clothe

2208
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 2: himself again and address the press. Yes, it seems very

2209
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 2: offer like, come on. I don't know. This has never proven,

2210
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 2: but some people associated with the oscars did say that

2211
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 2: they saw Niven pre writing his ad lib during dress

2212
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 2: rehearsal before the ceremony, and incredibly for a spontaneous incident

2213
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 2: that was shot so that you never actually saw Opple's

2214
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 2: ople tough feet aftermath, Colon not Richard gears No became

2215
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 2: an Ople became a minor celebrity in the immediate aftermath

2216
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 2: of the incident, and the media clamored to learn more

2217
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 2: about him. Initially, he was a speech writer for Ronald

2218
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 2: Reagan's California gubernatorial campaign, and his politics took a further

2219
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 2: left turn. At the dawn of the seventies. He became

2220
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:50,400
Speaker 2: a radical activist, appearing naked multiple Los Angeles City Council

2221
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:53,640
Speaker 2: meetings to protest the city's ban on nudity at area beaches,

2222
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 2: and would get jailed for at least one of these.

2223
01:57:56,920 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 2: Ople was openly bisectional. Ople was openly bisexual and became

2224
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 2: active in the queer counterculture in the seventies, socializing with

2225
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 2: figures like John Waters and Divine, and even working as

2226
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 2: a part time photographer for gay liberation outlet The Advocate.

2227
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 2: Although he never explained his precise motives for his Oscar streak,

2228
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 2: he admitted that it was a great way to jumpstart

2229
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 2: his career, and that is exactly what happened. For a

2230
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 2: brief time, he was a guest on The Mike Douglas Show,

2231
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 2: where he announced his campaign for president with slogan's like

2232
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 2: nothing to hide and taking aim at Richard Nixon, who

2233
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 2: was then mired in the Watergate scandal. Not just another

2234
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:36,839
Speaker 2: crooked dick. That's good, that's good. Yeah. Hollywood producer Alan Carr,

2235
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:41,880
Speaker 2: the aforementioned man who was blackbald for the worst Oscars ever,

2236
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 2: and also you know producer of Greece. He hired Ople

2237
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 2: to streak their party for Russian dancer Rudolph nurriyev here analysis.

2238
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean, this would have.

2239
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 1: Been the height of the Studio fifty four era, and

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01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 1: I known Area was a mainstay there, so it kind

2241
01:58:57,640 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 1: of it kind of makes sense.

2242
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 2: Moved to San Francisco in nineteen seventy eight, where he

2243
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 2: opened Faye Way Studios, the first openly gay art gallery

2244
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 2: in the country. He became one of the first galleries

2245
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 2: to display work by photographers like Robert Maplethorpe and artist

2246
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 2: of Tom of Finland and Opo was hosting friends at

2247
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:18,960
Speaker 2: Feiwa on July seventh, nineteen seventy nine, when two burglars

2248
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 2: stormed the studio seeking money and drugs. A scuffle ensued

2249
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 2: and Ople was shot in the head at close range.

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01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 2: He was pronounced dead later that night at the age

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01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 2: of thirty nine. The assailants, identified as Maurice Keenan and

2252
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 2: Robert Kelly, made off with five dollars and a camera.

2253
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 2: They were arrested on July tenth at San Francisco International

2254
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 2: while apparently trying to escape to Miami. Thirty years later,

2255
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 2: Ople's nephew, Robert Opple the Elder, had dropped one P

2256
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 2: from his name to protect his family, produced the documentary

2257
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 2: Uncle Bob, which explored the life and work of his

2258
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:55,880
Speaker 2: infamous relative. It's actually the original plot of What About Bob?

2259
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,080
Speaker 2: I gotta watch that movie? Is that? Hold up? I

2260
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 2: can't imagine it does? Oh it does, it does.

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02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so, what's the word Frisian free zone

2262
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:09,440
Speaker 1: of insanity.

2263
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:10,760
Speaker 2: I mean, because I mean drive.

2264
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean they are both clearly in real life insane people,

2265
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 1: and they both clearly hate each other in real life.

2266
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:21,920
Speaker 1: So that keeps it crackling good. Yeah, And while we're

2267
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:24,040
Speaker 1: talking about the Streaker, we have to talk about the

2268
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 1: other most infamous Oscar surprise guests other than Will Smith.

2269
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 1: One of the most iconic roles in cinema history also

2270
02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 1: gave way to one of the most iconic moments in

2271
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 1: the history of the Oscars. When Marlon Brando went his

2272
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 1: second Oscar in nineteen seventy three for his performance as

2273
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 1: Don Vito Corleone and the Godfather. He wasn't there to

2274
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:46,400
Speaker 1: receive it in his place. He'd sent Sasheen little Feather,

2275
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 1: an Apache Native American activist and the president of the

2276
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,839
Speaker 1: National Native American Affirmative Image Committee, to reject the award

2277
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 1: on his behalf. When Brando's name was announced, Little Feather

2278
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 1: took the stage in a buckskin dress and moccasins. Although

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02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 1: Brando had given her a fifteen page speech to read,

2280
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 1: she was forced to improvise due to the sixty second

2281
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,880
Speaker 1: time limit that had been disclosed the minutes before the

2282
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,120
Speaker 1: award presentation. I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, she told

2283
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 1: the stunned crowd, and he asked me to tell you

2284
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 1: that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award,

2285
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 1: and the reasons for this being are the treatment of

2286
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 1: American Indians today by the film industry and on television

2287
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,600
Speaker 1: and movie reruns, and also with recent happenings.

2288
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:30,440
Speaker 2: It wounded Knee.

2289
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 1: I beg at this time that I have not intruded

2290
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:36,240
Speaker 1: upon this evening, and that we will in the future,

2291
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 1: our hearts and our understandings will meet with love and generosity.

2292
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 2: He wasn't wrong, no.

2293
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,480
Speaker 1: But the moment drew a mixed response from the audience.

2294
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 1: Some cheered, other's booed, and many were simply baffled. It

2295
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:53,920
Speaker 1: confused Roger Moore, who attempted to present the award, ended

2296
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,640
Speaker 1: up simply taking it home with him, and it was

2297
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 1: later it was later collected by Academy officials who were

2298
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:02,960
Speaker 1: disp edged to his house. So she Little Feather would

2299
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:06,800
Speaker 1: later claim that and enraged John Wayne, another presenter that night,

2300
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,200
Speaker 1: tried to rush the stage and had to be restrained

2301
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 1: by six men.

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02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sure believe that. Wow. Yeah, I absolutely believe that.

2303
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:20,560
Speaker 1: Backstage she was reportedly mocked with faux Native American chants

2304
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,040
Speaker 1: and tomahawk chop gestures.

2305
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and.

2306
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 1: Was actually even threatened with the rest. So the naked

2307
02:02:28,440 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: guy fine, but this woman who spoke very eloquently about

2308
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: the plight of the disenfranchised people whose country we stole

2309
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 1: threatened with the rest.

2310
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the guy who was in prison for wounded kneed,

2311
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 2: Leonard Peltier, just got his sentence commuted finally.

2312
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: Yes, that's correct.

2313
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:45,040
Speaker 2: Yes.

2314
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:48,000
Speaker 1: In ninety ninety, Little Feather spoke to People magazine about

2315
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 1: the fallout she faced in response to her OSCARS moment.

2316
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 1: She said, I went up there thinking I could make

2317
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:56,600
Speaker 1: a difference. I was very naive. I told people about oppression.

2318
02:02:57,320 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 1: They said, you're ruining our evening. Little Feather died in

2319
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 1: October twenty twenty two at the age of seventy five,

2320
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 1: weeks after the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

2321
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 1: publicly apologized for her treatment at the ceremony nearly fifty

2322
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:14,959
Speaker 1: years earlier. The abuse you endured because of the statement

2323
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:19,080
Speaker 1: was unwarranted and unjustified, wrote then Academy president David Rubin.

2324
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:21,680
Speaker 1: The emotional burden you have lived through, and the cost

2325
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:24,720
Speaker 1: of your own career in our industry is irreparable. For

2326
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:27,840
Speaker 1: too long, the courage you showed has been unacknowledged. For this,

2327
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 1: we offer both our deepest apologies and our sincere admiration,

2328
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:39,800
Speaker 1: he said, lyingly. But there's also some story out there

2329
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:46,120
Speaker 1: which you can google yourselves, that her family after she died, insisted.

2330
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 2: That she stop being referred to as Native American. We

2331
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 2: just wasn't Native American at all. Yeah, in many ways,

2332
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 2: she walked so that Buffy Saint Marie could run. Yeah,

2333
02:03:56,040 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. John Wayne got so furious ever, people,

2334
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 2: It's like he felt protective over of America, of America's

2335
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:10,480
Speaker 2: legacy of racial bad Yes. Yeah, there's so many stories

2336
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:13,480
Speaker 2: about him flying off the handle for people being like, yeah,

2337
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:15,440
Speaker 2: but how do you feel about killing all those engines

2338
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 2: in your movies? And he's like, I was proud to

2339
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 2: do it. Yep. What a piece of shit he was? Yep. Okay,

2340
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Speaker 2: moving on.

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Speaker 1: But Marlon Branda was not the first person to refuse

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Speaker 1: an Academy award. Dudley Nicholas rejected his Best Adapted Screenplay

2343
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: award in nineteen thirty five for the informer due to

2344
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:44,000
Speaker 1: an ongoing Screenwriter's Guild strike. Some things never change. In

2345
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:47,400
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, George C. Scott responded to his Best

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02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:51,480
Speaker 1: Actor nomination for Patent by informing the Academy outright that

2347
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 1: he would not be attending the ceremony, dismissing it as

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Speaker 1: quote a two hour meat parade. Hell Yes, Hollywood inside

2349
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 1: assumed that the rebuff would tank his chances during Academy voting,

2350
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Speaker 1: but he ultimately won.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:11,520
Speaker 1: Presenter Goldie Hawn exclaimed, oh my god when she saw

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Speaker 1: his name in the envelope, that's oh man. The award

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02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 1: was accepted by the film's producer, But I don't think

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02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:20,080
Speaker 1: George Scott ever actually took it.

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02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 2: Good for him. I thought you'd like that. He was

2357
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:24,520
Speaker 2: probably hammered. And then I woke up and was like,

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Speaker 2: I gotta stick with this. Now we're going to take

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02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 2: a quick break, but we'll be right back with more.

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02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:34,440
Speaker 2: Too much information in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: So now we got to talk about acceptance speeches after

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02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 1: last night's show. This gets a little weird because, by

2363
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 1: my research, as cited in places like The Independent, the

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02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:00,000
Speaker 1: longest acceptance speech in Oscar's history was given by actress

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02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 1: Greer Garson, who went on by again. My research shows

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02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:07,480
Speaker 1: me over seven minutes after being presented with the Best

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02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:12,080
Speaker 1: Actress statuette for performance in nineteen forty two's Missus Miniver.

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Speaker 1: It's believed that this incident led to the Academy instituting

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02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 1: time limits for speeches. However, I'm seeing a lot of

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02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:23,000
Speaker 1: headlines today that Adrian Brody's speech last night, that the

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02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Oscars broke the record for the longest speech,

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02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:29,640
Speaker 1: and places like Huffington Post are citing geers speech from

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02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:32,640
Speaker 1: the forties as clocking in it five minutes and thirty

2374
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:36,200
Speaker 1: seconds instead of seven which I've been seeing elsewhere, which

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02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:38,960
Speaker 1: is now beaten out by Adrian Brody's speech last night,

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02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:41,160
Speaker 1: which was five minutes in forty seconds.

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Speaker 2: It was interminable. Yes, yes, I felt, I mean, I

2378
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:48,840
Speaker 2: never had any special affinity with him, but I was

2379
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,360
Speaker 2: just like, wow, you really not a lot going on

2380
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 2: under that hood. Huh No, Given the Greer's speech occurred

2381
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 2: before TV broadcasts, I'm having a hard time tracking it

2382
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:00,960
Speaker 2: down and actually timing it. So, yeah, mileage may vary.

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02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,520
Speaker 1: But then for one of the shortest speeches, we go

2384
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 1: to noted short guy Joe Peshi friend of the show,

2385
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Yes, friend of the pod. He

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02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 1: said six words upon receiving a statuette for Best Supporting

2387
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 1: Actor in Goodfellas, it was my privilege. Thank you, classy.

2388
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:20,960
Speaker 1: But the record for the shortest Oscar speech in a he's.

2389
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:23,840
Speaker 2: Written songs with less fewer words than that. That's true.

2390
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 2: He is a talented singer songwriter.

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02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:28,520
Speaker 1: But the record for the shortest Oscar speech in a

2392
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: performance category is actually tied between William Holden, who was

2393
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 1: also probably drunk, and Alfred Hitchcock, who both simply said

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02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:41,360
Speaker 1: thank you and walked off. Although I think hitch got

2395
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:45,440
Speaker 1: an Honorary Irving Thalberg Award in nineteen sixty eight, so

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02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,240
Speaker 1: he actually had time to prep a speech because he

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02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 1: knew he was getting it, and he's still opted not to,

2398
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:53,760
Speaker 1: probably because he was pissed because he'd gotten six nominations

2399
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 1: in the past for Best Director and never won.

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02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little like the Marty one, where it's like,

2401
02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 2: you know, for finally they give it to him and

2402
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:06,680
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, yes, I'm begrudgingly happy.

2403
02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh you need to do this. Anecdote from one of

2404
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:11,879
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's finest.

2405
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:14,880
Speaker 2: Uh okay, it's.

2406
02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:17,120
Speaker 1: A tough old man from Pennsylvania. Come on, this, says

2407
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: alex Igo, written all over it. Others have been more

2408
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:22,760
Speaker 1: creative with their moment in the spotlight over the years.

2409
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:25,760
Speaker 1: When Louise Fletcher won the Best Supporting Actress statue for

2410
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 1: her role as Nurse Ratchet and One Flew Over the

2411
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:30,520
Speaker 1: Cuckoo's Nest in nineteen seventy six, she gave part of

2412
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,000
Speaker 1: her speech in sign language so she could address her

2413
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:35,800
Speaker 1: deaf parents watching at home in Birmingham, Alabama.

2414
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:40,480
Speaker 2: Fuck. That's touching, Yeah it is. It's like a huge

2415
02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:44,120
Speaker 2: disabilities visibility moment. I don't think I knew that. I

2416
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:45,760
Speaker 2: want to say thank you for teaching me to have

2417
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 2: a dream. She signed, you are seeing my dream come true,

2418
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:54,880
Speaker 2: and then she went and started an Exorcist two oh.

2419
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:59,040
Speaker 2: But Jack Palance got a even more physical during his

2420
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:02,160
Speaker 2: speech the blood movie. Tough Guy may have been seventy

2421
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:04,640
Speaker 2: three years old when he won his Best Supporting Actor

2422
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:08,000
Speaker 2: Oscar for his role as gruff cowboy Curly Washburn in

2423
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:11,520
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one City Slickers, But he's eager to demonstrate

2424
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:14,400
Speaker 2: his physical fitness for the audience kind of like an

2425
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 2: RFK moment. Right, we're like a weird old guy doing

2426
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:20,560
Speaker 2: push ups. Yeah? Probably was he pretty red? I imagine No,

2427
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,880
Speaker 2: he actually looked kind of deathly pale all to be

2428
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:25,520
Speaker 2: honest with you, well, either way, he was perhaps inspired

2429
02:09:25,560 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 2: by his City Slickers co star Billy Crystal, who was

2430
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 2: hosting that year, and immediately after arriving on stage, Palan's

2431
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:33,839
Speaker 2: quoted one of the more colorful lines from the movie,

2432
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:37,040
Speaker 2: saying that he could crap bigger than the diminutive Crystal.

2433
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:40,000
Speaker 2: Then he launched into a story about how the insurance

2434
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 2: agents at the studio worried whether he was healthy enough

2435
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,680
Speaker 2: to act in such a rigorous production at his age.

2436
02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 2: Palence claimed that he hallayed their fears by performing a

2437
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 2: series of one armed push ups, which he then demonstrated

2438
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 2: on stage amid loud cheers from the crowd. Your thoughts,

2439
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 2: you seem distressed. You know it's a meat parade, Sure is,

2440
02:09:59,120 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 2: Geersey Scott's. Didn't Jack Palance do other weird shit like

2441
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:05,840
Speaker 2: he like he like towed like boats with his teeth

2442
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 2: or something. He was like a real like Johnny b

2443
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 2: fitness or something. Right, I think it's Jack Laine. Uh, yeah,

2444
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:17,560
Speaker 2: that is different, guy. I did the Rogers Will Rogers thing. Yeah, wow,

2445
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm sundowning. Uh okay, we can, we can finish tomorrow. No, no, no, no,

2446
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean in my life. Oh I'm it's where the

2447
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:33,120
Speaker 2: sun is setting. Uh. The moment became a running gag

2448
02:10:33,160 --> 02:10:35,920
Speaker 2: throughout the remainder of the telecast, with Billy Crystal offering

2449
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 2: comedic updates that Palance was backstage on the StairMaster bungee,

2450
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:43,400
Speaker 2: jumping off the Hollywood Sign or preparing for spaceflight, according

2451
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:46,160
Speaker 2: to Crystal's memoir, But when the two co stars met

2452
02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:49,800
Speaker 2: up at the after party, the newfound Oscar winner placed

2453
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:54,040
Speaker 2: the statuette on Crystal's shoulder before chuckling Billy Crystal, who

2454
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:58,840
Speaker 2: thought it would be you. That's great. Uh. Crystal accepted

2455
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,400
Speaker 2: the moment his expression of attitude from Palans for co

2456
02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:04,360
Speaker 2: writing the film City Slickers and fighting to cast him,

2457
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:07,160
Speaker 2: thus helping him take home the Academy Award after two

2458
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:11,280
Speaker 2: prior nominations forty years earlier. It was his really funny

2459
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:13,400
Speaker 2: way of staying thank you to a little New York

2460
02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:15,840
Speaker 2: jewey guy who got on the Oscar, Christal recalled during

2461
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 2: an appearance on inside the actors' studio. The pair reteamed

2462
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,320
Speaker 2: at the Academy Awards the following year for the broadcast

2463
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:25,280
Speaker 2: introductory sketch, which featured Palins dragging a giant oscar on

2464
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:28,480
Speaker 2: stage with Crystal again the host riding it. It was

2465
02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:33,320
Speaker 2: very cute. Not a great segue there, no that was

2466
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:36,680
Speaker 2: not moving from vanity to another sin of the flesh.

2467
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:40,840
Speaker 2: When Tom Hanks accepted his Oscar for playing no segue.

2468
02:11:40,720 --> 02:11:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Hanks, There's no segue for this part. When

2469
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:46,760
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks accepted his Oscar for playing a gay lawyer

2470
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:50,160
Speaker 1: dying of AIDS in nineteen ninety three's Philadelphia, he took

2471
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:52,640
Speaker 1: a moment during his acceptance speech to thank his former

2472
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 1: high school drama teacher, Roleigh Farnsworth, referring to him as

2473
02:11:56,720 --> 02:12:00,040
Speaker 1: one of the finest gay Americans. The tribute had the

2474
02:12:00,120 --> 02:12:03,440
Speaker 1: unintended side effect of launching Farnsworth into the media spotlight,

2475
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:08,400
Speaker 1: with headlines like outed at the Oscars. In truth, Hanks

2476
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:11,520
Speaker 1: had called Farnsworth three days before the ceremony and asked

2477
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:15,360
Speaker 1: for permission to disclose the sexuality in the speech. The

2478
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 1: pair hadn't spoken since Hanks had graduated from Skyline High

2479
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:22,360
Speaker 1: School in Oakland, California, in nineteen seventy four. I don't

2480
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:25,480
Speaker 1: know if you'll remember me, Farnsworth, who was then sixty nine,

2481
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:29,200
Speaker 1: nice recalled Tom Hanks, saying, but I'm an old student

2482
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:31,800
Speaker 1: of yours. I've got a ticket to the Academy Awards,

2483
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:33,520
Speaker 1: and if I win, I would like to use your

2484
02:12:33,600 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 1: name in regard to the content of Philadelphia. Farnsworth, who'd

2485
02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:40,880
Speaker 1: been private about his sexuality during his thirty year teaching career,

2486
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:44,360
Speaker 1: said he would be thrilled. I thought, I've been retired

2487
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:46,720
Speaker 1: for twelve years. What harm could it do, he told

2488
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:50,800
Speaker 1: People magazine at the time. While many were mistakenly aghast

2489
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:54,440
Speaker 1: on Farnsworth's behalf, the man himself was deeply moved by

2490
02:12:54,440 --> 02:12:57,360
Speaker 1: Hanks's speech. I didn't know exactly what he was going

2491
02:12:57,440 --> 02:13:00,440
Speaker 1: to say, he admitted, but it was just overwhelming. The

2492
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:04,440
Speaker 1: experience motivated Farnsworth to join an organization of gay teachers,

2493
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:07,480
Speaker 1: and later that year he served as grand marshall in

2494
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:12,240
Speaker 1: an Atlanta parade for children with HIV. But another outcome

2495
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:15,000
Speaker 1: of Hanks's speech was that it inspired a movie.

2496
02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, this is so funny. I remember as

2497
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:20,200
Speaker 2: a kid this movie coming out, and like reading an

2498
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:24,560
Speaker 2: Entertainment Weekly blurb about it and being very like confused

2499
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,960
Speaker 2: as a child to what the circumstances of this were.

2500
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:31,640
Speaker 1: Yes, the confusion about whether or not Farnsworth had been

2501
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:35,040
Speaker 1: outed by Tom Hanks during his acceptance speech gave screenwriter

2502
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:38,560
Speaker 1: Paul Rudnick the idea for In and Out, a movie

2503
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:41,800
Speaker 1: about a closeted high school teacher whose secret is invertently

2504
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 1: revealed during a former student's acceptance speech at the Oscars.

2505
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:49,080
Speaker 1: As Turner Classic movie host Dave carg observed to The

2506
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:52,160
Speaker 1: New York Times in twenty nineteen, it's safe to say

2507
02:13:52,200 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 1: it's the only Oscar speech in history to inspire another movie.

2508
02:13:56,560 --> 02:14:00,160
Speaker 2: That's a good movie. Yet yet that's true.

2509
02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 1: Ah, some Oscar acceptance speech by the numbers.

2510
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:06,320
Speaker 2: This is great. This is a late edition of this episode.

2511
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 1: There's an amazing blog called stephenfollows dot com which broke

2512
02:14:10,440 --> 02:14:14,040
Speaker 1: down Oscar speeches from nineteen thirty nine to twenty twenty three,

2513
02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:18,240
Speaker 1: and his stats are pretty hilarious. According to his work,

2514
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:21,800
Speaker 1: screenwriters have the best vocabulary, which makes sense since their

2515
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:24,920
Speaker 1: speeches on average contained upwards of three hundred and seventy

2516
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:29,440
Speaker 1: five words, whereas sound mixers have the least, with approximately

2517
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five words.

2518
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:32,560
Speaker 2: On average.

2519
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:37,200
Speaker 1: The average Oscar speech thanks around nine people. Actress's name

2520
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:39,280
Speaker 1: checked the greatest number of people, with an average of

2521
02:14:39,320 --> 02:14:43,080
Speaker 1: thirteen point eight per speech, because women are just better.

2522
02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I was going to mean they talk so much.

2523
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. It'd be shopping.

2524
02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:55,240
Speaker 1: The record for the most thanked people during an Oscar's

2525
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:56,440
Speaker 1: acceptance speech went down.

2526
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:01,280
Speaker 2: What parents, No, who, manager?

2527
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,560
Speaker 1: No, let me the account, Let me tell you the

2528
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:09,280
Speaker 1: stat You're misunderstanding my stat will you?

2529
02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:12,080
Speaker 2: I will not you? Was Richard. Here's last mistake.

2530
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 1: You are grossly misunderstanding the stat I am trying to share.

2531
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 1: It's my biggest pet peeve is when people misunderstand the

2532
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:23,440
Speaker 1: stat I am trying to share. The record for the

2533
02:15:23,480 --> 02:15:27,480
Speaker 1: most people thanked during a single acceptance speech went down

2534
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:31,400
Speaker 1: on producers John Landau and James Cameron accepted the Oscar

2535
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:35,120
Speaker 1: for Best Picture for Titanic in nineteen ninety eight. John

2536
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 1: Landau spoke first, thanking fifty four people by name in

2537
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:41,520
Speaker 1: sixty six seconds.

2538
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:44,800
Speaker 2: Which is impressive that it just as a sheer verbal mechanics.

2539
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 2: That's good for him. End of radio ad with the

2540
02:15:48,120 --> 02:15:50,000
Speaker 2: like this o you know, like.

2541
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:53,160
Speaker 1: Side effects for medication ads skill level.

2542
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:56,560
Speaker 2: That's Southern auctioneer level words. Yes. Yes.

2543
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:00,320
Speaker 1: He was then followed by fellow producer James Cameron, who

2544
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:01,960
Speaker 1: thanked nobody.

2545
02:16:02,240 --> 02:16:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was the King of the World moment, right, Yes, yes,

2546
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,800
Speaker 2: but I mean in his defense he was he didn't

2547
02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:12,600
Speaker 2: note that John had thanked everybody, and he asked for

2548
02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:15,640
Speaker 2: a few seconds of silence and remembrance of the fifteen

2549
02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:18,200
Speaker 2: hundred men, women and children who died in connection with

2550
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:22,280
Speaker 2: the Titanic, the ship, not the shoot. James Cameron only

2551
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:26,480
Speaker 2: killed maybe fifteen people for legal reasons. Because I still

2552
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:27,920
Speaker 2: want to write a book about the making of the

2553
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,200
Speaker 2: Titanic movie. I told you about that, right.

2554
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:33,119
Speaker 1: I pitched it to my book ye, to your agent,

2555
02:16:33,240 --> 02:16:35,280
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I don't know if it has

2556
02:16:35,320 --> 02:16:38,119
Speaker 1: the same mass appeal as some of my other projects.

2557
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,640
Speaker 1: Like I just I just did it. I just sold

2558
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:43,560
Speaker 1: an oral history on the Big Bang theory. And I

2559
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:46,400
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is Titanic. This is up

2560
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:48,240
Speaker 1: there with like the Wizard of Oz and the God thought.

2561
02:16:49,160 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 2: It sounds really dumb. It's a dumb thing to say, Yes,

2562
02:16:52,640 --> 02:16:53,200
Speaker 2: yes it was.

2563
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:56,640
Speaker 1: Uh here, this is an interesting fact, speaking of being

2564
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:00,520
Speaker 1: ungrateful to people who support them, the instance of people

2565
02:17:00,520 --> 02:17:03,520
Speaker 1: thanking their partners has decreased by ten percent in the

2566
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:07,040
Speaker 1: last decade, which I find interesting. I blame COVID honestly.

2567
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to thank everyone on

2568
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:12,160
Speaker 2: poly cool with these younger actors, you know.

2569
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:16,119
Speaker 1: And let's get a bummer stat out of the way.

2570
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:20,120
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein is the second most commonly thanked living person

2571
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:21,480
Speaker 1: in Oscar's history.

2572
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:26,240
Speaker 2: Boy, yeah, people, Hollywood was really propped up by him

2573
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:27,240
Speaker 2: for a very long time.

2574
02:17:27,720 --> 02:17:32,000
Speaker 1: But Spielberg is the most thanked living person. A lot

2575
02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:36,480
Speaker 1: of that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about some winners. We

2576
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 1: love winners on this show, Heigel.

2577
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:42,039
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. We do love winners, and especially when

2578
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 2: they're sore winners. Yes. One of the bitchest acceptance speeches

2579
02:17:45,720 --> 02:17:48,480
Speaker 2: ever given was by a songwriter, composer Randy Newman. To

2580
02:17:48,560 --> 02:17:52,720
Speaker 2: no one's surprise, Who've been nominated fifteen times before he

2581
02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:55,200
Speaker 2: finally won for his original song If I Didn't Have

2582
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:58,640
Speaker 2: You from two thousand and one. In his speech, he

2583
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:00,360
Speaker 2: thanked the music branch of the cat to me for

2584
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:05,360
Speaker 2: quote giving me so many chances to be humiliated. That's

2585
02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean, his family has the most oscars in history though. Yep,

2586
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:13,760
Speaker 2: that's why he was so bitters because his like Thomas

2587
02:18:13,800 --> 02:18:17,400
Speaker 2: and his like uncle had both already scooped up multiple

2588
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:21,320
Speaker 2: Oscars by this point. But they were like that, Randy, No,

2589
02:18:21,480 --> 02:18:26,600
Speaker 2: we all like him. Paul Newman wasn't even in the

2590
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:29,000
Speaker 2: building when he won his first competitive Oscar for Best

2591
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:31,360
Speaker 2: Actor in the Color of Money. He had previously said,

2592
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 2: I've been there six times and lost. Maybe if I

2593
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:39,480
Speaker 2: stay away, I'll win. Love Paul, Yeah, my second favorite, Paul. Yeah,

2594
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:42,320
Speaker 2: he's probably might have been a little toasted that night,

2595
02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:49,679
Speaker 2: just geting, getting drunk on bud, just being like, Yeah.

2596
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:52,480
Speaker 2: Barton Scorsese had been nominated seven times when he finally

2597
02:18:52,480 --> 02:18:54,800
Speaker 2: won for the Depotted in two thousand and seven. The

2598
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:57,200
Speaker 2: Academy must have let the word out early, because he

2599
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:59,959
Speaker 2: was presented for the honor by his old seventies New

2600
02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:05,760
Speaker 2: Hollywood raging bulls. You know those guys, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas,

2601
02:19:05,800 --> 02:19:09,240
Speaker 2: and Francis Ford Coppola. They didn't invite John Carpenter. They

2602
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:09,680
Speaker 2: never do.

2603
02:19:09,959 --> 02:19:11,560
Speaker 1: It's a very cute moment.

2604
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:12,120
Speaker 2: It is.

2605
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I assumed when I saw them all up there,

2606
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:16,240
Speaker 1: and like everyone knew, Oh, it's got to be going

2607
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:19,000
Speaker 1: to Marty, and I assumed like that was one moment

2608
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:20,800
Speaker 1: when they kind of let the secret out just so

2609
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:24,000
Speaker 1: they could get everybody there. But then last night they

2610
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:27,199
Speaker 1: had Mick Jagger on hand and Elton John was nominated,

2611
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,480
Speaker 1: and it almost seemed like, oh, they've got Mick Jagger

2612
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:32,240
Speaker 1: to give it to Elton, and then it went to

2613
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:35,240
Speaker 1: some I forget who it went to, and Mix seemed

2614
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:40,560
Speaker 1: like visibly disappointed, and so I'm wondering maybe that was like, Oh,

2615
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:43,600
Speaker 1: everyone just assumes it's going to go to Elton, let's

2616
02:19:43,640 --> 02:19:46,200
Speaker 1: get mixed. Maybe in this what if all three of

2617
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:47,840
Speaker 1: those guys were up there and it went to like,

2618
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, Giamo del Toro or.

2619
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:54,560
Speaker 2: Something, then that would have been funny in the audience.

2620
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:59,519
Speaker 1: Lowers's head, dude, Giermo.

2621
02:19:59,240 --> 02:20:02,800
Speaker 2: Do Toro fish movie. Oh.

2622
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:06,760
Speaker 1: Another really cute on stage Oscar's moment is Muhammad Ali

2623
02:20:06,959 --> 02:20:09,960
Speaker 1: comes out to surprise Syvester Stallone when he was presenting

2624
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:13,840
Speaker 1: an award during like the Rocky Year, and they engage

2625
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:17,560
Speaker 1: in like a brief, good natured sparring match on stage,

2626
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:21,440
Speaker 1: as Ali jokingly accusedes Stallone of like stealing his life

2627
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:22,800
Speaker 1: story for the Rocky Script.

2628
02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:24,320
Speaker 2: It's so adorable.

2629
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like a year or two earlier, Stallone had

2630
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:29,959
Speaker 1: to like sell his dog to be able to eat

2631
02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:33,280
Speaker 1: and survive, and now he was at the Oscars with

2632
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:35,760
Speaker 1: his hero like surprising him on stage.

2633
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:39,400
Speaker 2: It's very sweet. Yeah, that is quite cute. It's also

2634
02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:42,080
Speaker 2: become a tradition over the years for winners to take

2635
02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:44,840
Speaker 2: a photo kissing their oscars. This trend began with a

2636
02:20:44,879 --> 02:20:48,440
Speaker 2: great Audrey Hepburn after she run won hers for Roman

2637
02:20:48,480 --> 02:20:52,640
Speaker 2: Holiday in nineteen fifty four. In no surprise to those

2638
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:55,560
Speaker 2: of you with taste and wherewithal, the most nominated actor

2639
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:57,720
Speaker 2: at the Oscars is Meryl Street is a total of

2640
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:00,760
Speaker 2: twenty one between Deer Hunter and Night teen seventy nine

2641
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 2: and The Post in twenty eighteen. Catherine Hepburn still holds

2642
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:07,400
Speaker 2: the record for the most wins at four, with Streep

2643
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:11,080
Speaker 2: and Jack Nicholson tied for second with three. Apiece composer

2644
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,960
Speaker 2: and Spielberg buddy John Williams is the only person in

2645
02:21:13,959 --> 02:21:17,800
Speaker 2: Oscar's history to be nominated in seven consecutive decades, starting

2646
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:20,560
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight, for Best Scoring of Music for

2647
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:23,640
Speaker 2: Valley of the Dolls. Yeah, baby, to his most recent

2648
02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:26,600
Speaker 2: nominations for Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny and

2649
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:30,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. They all have to be good. It's

2650
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:33,160
Speaker 2: bookended by. To date, he has racked up a total

2651
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:38,000
Speaker 2: of fifty four nominations, he's won five and he's also

2652
02:21:38,200 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 2: the oldest person ever to be nominated at age ninety two.

2653
02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:44,040
Speaker 1: And he was nice to my mom back of the nineties.

2654
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:47,760
Speaker 2: Most importantly, I mean's he is the greatest of all time.

2655
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:51,320
Speaker 2: Like it's not even yeah, nobody's actually competing for that

2656
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:54,720
Speaker 2: category with John Williams. I'm sorry everyone else.

2657
02:21:55,640 --> 02:21:57,760
Speaker 1: He's a family gout fit where it was like the

2658
02:21:57,879 --> 02:22:01,120
Speaker 1: Porn Awards and they had all these like best score

2659
02:22:01,160 --> 02:22:02,400
Speaker 1: for partial Yeah.

2660
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:08,680
Speaker 2: John Williams with the London Symphonic Orchestra. So good. However,

2661
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:12,160
Speaker 2: Walt Disney has the most Oscar wins ever. In all,

2662
02:22:12,200 --> 02:22:15,640
Speaker 2: he's won twenty two competitive Oscars and four honorary Oscars

2663
02:22:15,640 --> 02:22:19,240
Speaker 2: out of possible fifty nine nominations. He was nominated for

2664
02:22:19,440 --> 02:22:23,240
Speaker 2: an Oscar a year between nineteen forty two and nineteen

2665
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:23,920
Speaker 2: sixty three.

2666
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:27,400
Speaker 1: But he just like ran animation in Hollywood, so and

2667
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:28,800
Speaker 1: they're all animation categories.

2668
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm assuming so I don't know that. I don't count that. Yeah,

2669
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:35,200
Speaker 2: it's a bit like the Apples and Oranges thing like. Oh,

2670
02:22:35,240 --> 02:22:42,840
Speaker 2: I lost an award to the Seven Dwarves. The record

2671
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:46,360
Speaker 2: for the shortest Oscar winning performance goes to Beatrice Strait,

2672
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:50,040
Speaker 2: who played the heartbroken wife of a philandering TV station

2673
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:53,560
Speaker 2: president in Sidney La Maze nineteen seventy six film Network.

2674
02:22:54,280 --> 02:22:57,240
Speaker 2: She appears in just one scene, which she delivers an

2675
02:22:57,280 --> 02:23:01,400
Speaker 2: impassioned monologue confronting her husband about his affair. Five minutes

2676
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:04,720
Speaker 2: and two seconds of screen time well spent. The moment

2677
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:07,880
Speaker 2: earned her an Academy Award, alongside co stars Paid Dunaway,

2678
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:10,400
Speaker 2: who took him the Best Actress statuette and Peter Finch,

2679
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:13,600
Speaker 2: who became the first actor honored with a posthumous OSCAR.

2680
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:17,480
Speaker 2: James Deem was the first actor to earn posthumous nominations,

2681
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:19,560
Speaker 2: with back to back nods in nineteen fifty five and

2682
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:23,280
Speaker 2: fifty six for East of Eden and Giant, respectively. And

2683
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 2: who's the other posthumous one? It was Heath Ledger, right, Oh,

2684
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:30,280
Speaker 2: he blecher you. Jean dou Jardins has the distinction of

2685
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:33,040
Speaker 2: winning an Acting Oscar with the least amount of dialogue

2686
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:36,959
Speaker 2: for the Artists in twenty eleven. The film is almost

2687
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:40,240
Speaker 2: entirely silent save for twelve words, two of which are

2688
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:46,879
Speaker 2: his with pleasure, with Pleasure avec Cezier. The Artist was

2689
02:23:46,879 --> 02:23:48,920
Speaker 2: also the first entirely black and white film to win

2690
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:52,280
Speaker 2: Best Picture since The Apartment in nineteen sixty, over half

2691
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:56,359
Speaker 2: a century earlier. Oh and Okay, Yeah, Let's go to Sweepers.

2692
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:00,880
Speaker 2: As of the ninety sixth Academy Awards twenty twenty four,

2693
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:04,000
Speaker 2: forty one films have won at least two Acting Awards.

2694
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:07,240
Speaker 2: Of these, three A street Car Named Desire nineteen fifty one,

2695
02:24:07,360 --> 02:24:10,640
Speaker 2: Network in nineteen seventy six and Everything Everywhere, All at

2696
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:14,440
Speaker 2: Once in twenty twenty two have won three Acting awards.

2697
02:24:14,920 --> 02:24:18,600
Speaker 2: A street Car named Desire scored statuettes for Vivian Lay,

2698
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:23,600
Speaker 2: Karl Malden, and Kim Hunter. However, Marlon Brando lost Best

2699
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:28,000
Speaker 2: Actor to Humphrey Bogart in The African Queen. In Network,

2700
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:31,160
Speaker 2: Peter Finch, Fade Dunaway, and Behri Strait all won, but

2701
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:34,280
Speaker 2: Ned Batty lost Best Supporting Actor to Jason Robards for

2702
02:24:34,320 --> 02:24:38,520
Speaker 2: All the President's Men, Everything Everywhere, All at Once did

2703
02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:41,240
Speaker 2: not have a Best Actor nominee, but won Best Actress

2704
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:44,760
Speaker 2: for Michelle Yeoh, Best Supporting Actor for Kei Hui Kwan,

2705
02:24:45,400 --> 02:24:48,240
Speaker 2: and Best Supporting Actress for Jamie Lee Curtis, which, if

2706
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:50,800
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, was some kind of an abomination because

2707
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:54,920
Speaker 2: there was another Best Supporting Actress win that people were like,

2708
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:57,880
Speaker 2: why is she in this? For being the token white

2709
02:24:57,959 --> 02:25:00,560
Speaker 2: lady in this movie? There actually have been ties in

2710
02:25:00,600 --> 02:25:03,520
Speaker 2: Oscar history. Meanwhile, in nineteen thirty two, during the fifth

2711
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:06,600
Speaker 2: Academy Awards, Frederick Marsh received one more vote for his

2712
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:09,600
Speaker 2: performance in Doctor Jekyl and Mister Hyde than did Wallace

2713
02:25:09,640 --> 02:25:13,000
Speaker 2: Beery for the champ but under the Academy's rules at

2714
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:15,240
Speaker 2: the time, a difference of less than three votes was

2715
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:18,400
Speaker 2: considered a tie, not how ties work, and both actors

2716
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:21,360
Speaker 2: were honored. March and Beery also shared the fact that

2717
02:25:21,400 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 2: they had each recently adopted children, which led Frederick Marsh

2718
02:25:24,320 --> 02:25:27,320
Speaker 2: to joke, under the circumstances, it seems a little odd

2719
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:29,080
Speaker 2: that Wally and I were both given awards for the

2720
02:25:29,080 --> 02:25:32,879
Speaker 2: best Male Performance of the Year. That's funny. In later years,

2721
02:25:32,959 --> 02:25:35,360
Speaker 2: the rules were changed to recognize that only an exact

2722
02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:39,119
Speaker 2: tie in a major category because no shit. In nineteen

2723
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:42,480
Speaker 2: sixty nine, during the first Academy Awards ceremony to be

2724
02:25:43,480 --> 02:25:47,400
Speaker 2: televised worldwide, Katherine Hepburn for The Line in Winter, the

2725
02:25:47,480 --> 02:25:50,600
Speaker 2: movie Not Her State of Being, and Barbara Streisend for

2726
02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:54,400
Speaker 2: Funny Girl, shared Best Actress honors when each received precisely

2727
02:25:54,480 --> 02:25:57,520
Speaker 2: three thousand and thirty votes. For Hepburn, this was her

2728
02:25:57,560 --> 02:26:02,039
Speaker 2: record setting eleventh nomination and third win. For Streisan it

2729
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:05,720
Speaker 2: was her film debut. Catherine Hepburn hated her I have

2730
02:26:05,800 --> 02:26:06,199
Speaker 2: to assume.

2731
02:26:06,440 --> 02:26:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of guess that this is such an

2732
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:09,920
Speaker 1: all about Eve moment.

2733
02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:18,160
Speaker 2: Or show Girls. We should do Showgirls. Sure, I've never

2734
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:20,560
Speaker 2: seen it. Oh, it might How does it rank in

2735
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:24,000
Speaker 2: the U in the Hustler's Magic, Mike Honaura, it might

2736
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:27,840
Speaker 2: be a little too much for you for me? Yeah,

2737
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:30,320
Speaker 2: how so? Because it's Joe Estra was writing, the guy

2738
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:32,440
Speaker 2: who wrote Basic Instincts, So it's like his idea of

2739
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:34,800
Speaker 2: how like beautiful women talk to each other and it's horrible.

2740
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:38,720
Speaker 2: But it's also Paul Vyrhoven, who whoa I didn't know that,

2741
02:26:39,320 --> 02:26:43,080
Speaker 2: and comic Blachlin's in it. Oh my god, No, it's fascinating.

2742
02:26:43,160 --> 02:26:45,480
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating movie, but I don't think I can

2743
02:26:45,480 --> 02:26:48,960
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly recommend it. No, I can, Yeah, I can watch

2744
02:26:48,959 --> 02:26:56,320
Speaker 2: show Girls Joe for Showgirls. As we mentioned earlier, Peter

2745
02:26:56,400 --> 02:26:58,880
Speaker 2: Finch was the first performer to win a Costumius Oscar

2746
02:26:58,959 --> 02:27:01,800
Speaker 2: for Best Actor in nineteen sen teventy six Network. The

2747
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:05,640
Speaker 2: award was accepted by his widow. The sixtieth Academy Awards

2748
02:27:05,640 --> 02:27:07,080
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight was the first time we had

2749
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:10,400
Speaker 2: an Oscar nominee who was actively being sought by police.

2750
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:13,520
Speaker 2: This was screenwriter Gustav Hasford, who wrote the book that

2751
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:16,960
Speaker 2: Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket was based on the Short Timers.

2752
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 2: He was listed as a co writer on the script,

2753
02:27:19,360 --> 02:27:23,000
Speaker 2: although exactly how much he contributed has been debated, and

2754
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:25,320
Speaker 2: at the time he was wanted in connection with grand

2755
02:27:25,320 --> 02:27:28,840
Speaker 2: theft charges involving a large collection of library books, which

2756
02:27:28,879 --> 02:27:34,680
Speaker 2: is just adorable. Well, well, the law library books. His

2757
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:39,039
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page is quite something. In nineteen eighty five, Hassford

2758
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:42,040
Speaker 2: had borrowed ninety eight books from the Sacramento, California Public

2759
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:45,279
Speaker 2: Library but never returned them. An arrest warrant for misdemeanor

2760
02:27:45,320 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 2: grand theft was issued, but local authorities were unable to

2761
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:50,840
Speaker 2: find him. In March of nineteen eighty eight, shortly before

2762
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:54,879
Speaker 2: the Academy Awards ceremony, campus police from California Polytechnic State

2763
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:59,400
Speaker 2: University in San Luis Obispo, California, found nearly ten thousand

2764
02:27:59,440 --> 02:28:06,760
Speaker 2: library book in Haspard's rented storage locker. At the time,

2765
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:10,200
Speaker 2: he had eighty seven overdue books and five years of

2766
02:28:10,320 --> 02:28:18,480
Speaker 2: Civil War Times magazine checked out cow Pauly Slo Library.

2767
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Good for him.

2768
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:29,800
Speaker 2: The materials were initially valued at three grand and were

2769
02:28:29,879 --> 02:28:34,039
Speaker 2: later revalued at twenty grand. Haspard's book collection, to use

2770
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:38,440
Speaker 2: that term generously, included books borrowed and never returned from

2771
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:42,400
Speaker 2: dozens of libraries across the United States, from libraries in

2772
02:28:42,440 --> 02:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Australia and the United Kingdom, and legitate in My favorite

2773
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:53,440
Speaker 2: note book was taken from the homes of acquaintances, not

2774
02:28:53,520 --> 02:29:03,200
Speaker 2: even friends. Acquaintances is a fiend for books. He is

2775
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:09,800
Speaker 2: a kleptomaniac, but just for books. It'd be so fun.

2776
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:12,720
Speaker 2: I mean it says Civil War books too. Oh man.

2777
02:29:12,920 --> 02:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I wonder if he transitioned it all to like Ken

2778
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:18,840
Speaker 2: Burns DVD's played Friend five Well there wasn't much a

2779
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:24,960
Speaker 2: later in life. Among this spectacular collection were nineteenth century

2780
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:27,440
Speaker 2: books on Edgar Allan Poe and the American Civil War.

2781
02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:31,600
Speaker 2: Hasford had obtained borrowing privileges at cal Poly Slo as

2782
02:29:31,640 --> 02:29:34,840
Speaker 2: a California resident, using the residential address of a motel

2783
02:29:34,879 --> 02:29:38,279
Speaker 2: near campus and a false social security number. In nineteen

2784
02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:40,280
Speaker 2: eighty eight, he was charged with two counts of grand

2785
02:29:40,320 --> 02:29:43,200
Speaker 2: theft and ten counts of possession of stolen property. On

2786
02:29:43,320 --> 02:29:46,400
Speaker 2: January fourth, nineteen eighty nine, Hasford was sentenced to six

2787
02:29:46,440 --> 02:29:50,320
Speaker 2: months imprisonment, of which he served three months, and promised

2788
02:29:50,360 --> 02:29:54,040
Speaker 2: to pay eleven hundred dollars in restitution from the royalties

2789
02:29:54,040 --> 02:29:56,600
Speaker 2: of his future works. He was also ordered to pay

2790
02:29:56,600 --> 02:29:58,720
Speaker 2: the shipping costs for the return of seven hundred and

2791
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:01,520
Speaker 2: forty eight books to nine libraries throughout the United States.

2792
02:30:02,400 --> 02:30:07,160
Speaker 2: Hasford was impoverished and suffering from untreated diabetes, and pulled

2793
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:09,600
Speaker 2: Leonard Cohen on everyone's ass. He moved to the Greek

2794
02:30:09,640 --> 02:30:12,400
Speaker 2: island of Aegina and died there of heart failure on

2795
02:30:12,680 --> 02:30:15,120
Speaker 2: January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety three, at the age of

2796
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:19,560
Speaker 2: forty five. I'd say that counts as a win. Oh

2797
02:30:19,640 --> 02:30:23,440
Speaker 2: my god, ten thousand library books and stole it books

2798
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:26,640
Speaker 2: stolen from acquaintances. Yes, and he just got off with

2799
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:29,720
Speaker 2: a letter. He just went to Greece about it. What

2800
02:30:29,879 --> 02:30:30,400
Speaker 2: a sham.

2801
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:34,800
Speaker 1: So those are the winners, but let's not forget the losers.

2802
02:30:34,879 --> 02:30:36,920
Speaker 1: We cannot forget the losers on this show. Let me

2803
02:30:36,959 --> 02:30:41,199
Speaker 1: tell you, Glenn Close and Peter O'Toole have the ignoble

2804
02:30:41,240 --> 02:30:44,720
Speaker 1: honor of earning the most Oscar nominations without a win.

2805
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:46,640
Speaker 2: They've each racked up eight.

2806
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Peter O'Toole was apparently annoyed when he learned he was

2807
02:30:50,360 --> 02:30:53,760
Speaker 1: getting an honorary Oscar In two thousand and three, Variety

2808
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:56,680
Speaker 1: reported that he sent a letter to the Academy asking

2809
02:30:56,720 --> 02:30:59,640
Speaker 1: them to hold off with the honorary award quote until

2810
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I am as he is, quote still in the game

2811
02:31:03,640 --> 02:31:08,360
Speaker 1: and might win the lovely bugger outright. Frank Pearson, the

2812
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:11,800
Speaker 1: president of the Academy, responded with a note saying the

2813
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:14,440
Speaker 1: award is for achievement and contribution to the art of

2814
02:31:14,480 --> 02:31:17,880
Speaker 1: the motion picture, not for retirement. It will be at

2815
02:31:17,879 --> 02:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the Academy fee to pick up when you're eighty or

2816
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:24,000
Speaker 1: whenever you're ready. But as we mentioned at the top

2817
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:26,560
Speaker 1: of the episode. Even losers have a reason to celebrate

2818
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:30,640
Speaker 1: thanks to the infamous Oscars swag bags loaded with gifts

2819
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:35,720
Speaker 1: worth upwards of one hundred grand. These include multiple luxury vacations,

2820
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:40,280
Speaker 1: signature chocolates, a range of beauty products, jewelry and more.

2821
02:31:40,879 --> 02:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Some years have even gifted the nominees therapy sessions, cannabis

2822
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:47,600
Speaker 1: infused chocolates, and cannabis.

2823
02:31:47,080 --> 02:31:48,920
Speaker 2: Seed facial moisturizer.

2824
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:51,280
Speaker 1: But back to the winners. We should really only talk

2825
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:53,920
Speaker 1: about winners on the show. Here are some fun facts

2826
02:31:53,959 --> 02:31:56,119
Speaker 1: about those who have taken home the Little gold Man,

2827
02:31:56,240 --> 02:31:58,920
Speaker 1: delivered in the form of a quiz higel. I want

2828
02:31:58,920 --> 02:31:59,600
Speaker 1: to ask you if.

2829
02:31:59,440 --> 02:32:00,199
Speaker 2: You know some of these.

2830
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:04,119
Speaker 1: There are only two families with three generations of Oscar winners.

2831
02:32:04,320 --> 02:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Who are they? Barry Moore's no, that's a good that's

2832
02:32:08,440 --> 02:32:09,120
Speaker 1: a great guess.

2833
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:12,320
Speaker 2: I know. Newman's no for me.

2834
02:32:12,760 --> 02:32:16,320
Speaker 1: You know what, these might be performers as opposed to writers. Actually,

2835
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:19,439
Speaker 1: because you're right, the Newman's of the most Oscar nominated

2836
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:23,800
Speaker 1: family eighty nine nominations in counting. Yeah, actually, no, those

2837
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:25,720
Speaker 1: are only two generations now that I'm looking at.

2838
02:32:25,800 --> 02:32:27,359
Speaker 2: The Newmans are only two generations.

2839
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:30,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, so, okay, we have two families who have

2840
02:32:30,840 --> 02:32:32,280
Speaker 1: three generations.

2841
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:35,040
Speaker 2: Of Oscar winners. Let me tell you. Yeah, The Houston's

2842
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:38,880
Speaker 2: Walter Houston one Best Supporting Actor in nineteen forty eight.

2843
02:32:38,959 --> 02:32:42,120
Speaker 2: John Houston won Best Director and Best Screenplay in nineteen

2844
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:46,640
Speaker 2: forty eight, and granddaughter Angelica Houston won Best Supporting Actress

2845
02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:49,760
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty five. And then, of course, the Coppola's

2846
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:54,279
Speaker 2: Carmine Coppola one for Best Dramatic Score for The Godfather,

2847
02:32:54,440 --> 02:32:57,360
Speaker 2: Francis Ford Coppola one for Best Original Screenplay.

2848
02:32:58,240 --> 02:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh, he wrote the screenplay for pat But that's still

2849
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:06,000
Speaker 1: only two generations though, And then Sophia, Yeah, Sophia Coppola,

2850
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:09,879
Speaker 1: what's the third? Francis Coppola's dad wrote the theme to

2851
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:10,600
Speaker 1: The Godfather.

2852
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:13,400
Speaker 2: That was Nino Roda and it was also based off

2853
02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:16,560
Speaker 2: of Sicilian folk melodies Sicilians love to Steal.

2854
02:33:17,800 --> 02:33:21,119
Speaker 1: Carmen Coppola won both the Academy Award for Best Original

2855
02:33:21,160 --> 02:33:24,720
Speaker 1: Score and Golden Global Were for Best Original Score composed

2856
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:25,520
Speaker 1: with Nina Roda.

2857
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this is a good question.

2858
02:33:27,640 --> 02:33:30,760
Speaker 1: There's only one pair of brothers who've been nominated for

2859
02:33:30,840 --> 02:33:31,720
Speaker 1: acting Oscars.

2860
02:33:32,200 --> 02:33:34,279
Speaker 2: Who are they? And before you answer.

2861
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:38,240
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck don't count because Ben's two

2862
02:33:38,240 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Oscars weren't for acting, they were for Best Original Screenplay

2863
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:44,120
Speaker 1: for good Will Hunting and Best Picture for Argo.

2864
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:49,640
Speaker 2: One pair of brothers nominated for acting oscars, Bill Murray

2865
02:33:49,640 --> 02:33:50,720
Speaker 2: and Brian Doyle Murray.

2866
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:56,160
Speaker 1: It is River Phoenix and Joaquin Phoenix, River for Running

2867
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:59,400
Speaker 1: on Empty in nineteen eighty eight and Joakeen for Gladiator

2868
02:33:59,440 --> 02:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Walked the Line and the Master.

2869
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:04,000
Speaker 2: I honestly didn't know that seems like a gimme. I

2870
02:34:04,120 --> 02:34:06,680
Speaker 2: just didn't know River Phoenix that ever been nominated. I

2871
02:34:06,680 --> 02:34:08,960
Speaker 2: thought he was just like he was widely agreed to,

2872
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:10,959
Speaker 2: just be like a little boy king.

2873
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:15,760
Speaker 1: There are only two married couples who've won acting oscars.

2874
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:19,600
Speaker 2: Can you name either of them currently or at the time.

2875
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:24,480
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question. They were not married when

2876
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:28,400
Speaker 1: they both won in some In one case, they were

2877
02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:29,760
Speaker 1: married when one of them won.

2878
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:33,200
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, can you give me some decades here, or.

2879
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:37,039
Speaker 1: At least like forties and fifties, in fifties and eighties,

2880
02:34:37,360 --> 02:34:40,039
Speaker 1: fifties and eighties. This one will make sense when you

2881
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:40,760
Speaker 1: hear it.

2882
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:43,320
Speaker 2: Is it Hitchcock and his wife? Mm hmm.

2883
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:46,600
Speaker 1: He never won a competitive Oscar, so we got Paul

2884
02:34:46,680 --> 02:34:49,920
Speaker 1: Newman and Joanne Woodward. Paul Newman won nineteen eighty six

2885
02:34:49,959 --> 02:34:50,760
Speaker 1: for the Color of Money.

2886
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Joann Woodward won in.

2887
02:34:52,360 --> 02:34:55,360
Speaker 1: Fifty seven for the Three Faces of Eve. They were

2888
02:34:55,400 --> 02:34:58,080
Speaker 1: married in fifty eight, which was after Woodburg got or

2889
02:34:58,160 --> 02:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Oscar Lawrence a Living One for Hamlet in nineteen forty

2890
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:05,640
Speaker 1: eight and Vivian Lee for Streetcar Named Desire in nineteen

2891
02:35:05,720 --> 02:35:06,360
Speaker 1: fifty one.

2892
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:08,879
Speaker 2: All right, good for them. Yeah?

2893
02:35:09,160 --> 02:35:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh, she also won for a Gun with a Wind too. Oh,

2894
02:35:11,720 --> 02:35:14,240
Speaker 1: this is another good one. Angelia and Joelie won the

2895
02:35:14,280 --> 02:35:17,400
Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actress Oscar for Girl Interrupted in two thousand.

2896
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Her father John Voight won Best Actor for nineteen seventy

2897
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:24,920
Speaker 1: eight Coming Home. Who is the only other father daughter

2898
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:25,959
Speaker 1: Best Acting pair?

2899
02:35:26,200 --> 02:35:27,480
Speaker 2: They both won Best Actor.

2900
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2901
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:29,840
Speaker 2: Is it Paltrow?

2902
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, but that's a good And it's not during either.

2903
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:35,400
Speaker 2: That would have been my second guest. I don't know

2904
02:35:35,440 --> 02:35:40,200
Speaker 2: who is it? It is Barbarella herself? Oh sure? And

2905
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:44,039
Speaker 2: old Henry Jane Fonda Yeah, for.

2906
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:47,119
Speaker 1: Clute in nineteen seventy one and Coming Home in nineteen

2907
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:51,200
Speaker 1: seventy eight, and her father Henry Fonda one in nineteen

2908
02:35:51,240 --> 02:35:53,080
Speaker 1: eighty one for On Golden Pond.

2909
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:55,039
Speaker 2: Okay, two more of these.

2910
02:35:55,440 --> 02:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Who's the only Academy Award winner whose parents both also

2911
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,400
Speaker 1: received to Oscars. I can give you multiple choice if

2912
02:36:02,400 --> 02:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you want, please one Angelica Houston, two Liza Minelli, three

2913
02:36:07,320 --> 02:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, or four Sophia Coppola both.

2914
02:36:11,560 --> 02:36:14,920
Speaker 2: Parents would have been was it is Liza? It is Liza,

2915
02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:17,280
Speaker 2: That is correct. I thought you glitched out on me.

2916
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:19,800
Speaker 2: There No, okay? Wow?

2917
02:36:20,360 --> 02:36:24,720
Speaker 1: One for six that was good. And finally, this is

2918
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:28,320
Speaker 1: a tough one. Joelnathan Cohen each won Oscars for the

2919
02:36:28,400 --> 02:36:30,920
Speaker 1: direction of No Country for Old Men. It was only

2920
02:36:30,920 --> 02:36:33,960
Speaker 1: the second time in Oscar's history that two individuals shared

2921
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:36,760
Speaker 1: the directing honor. Who was the first? You will never

2922
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:39,200
Speaker 1: get this? Well, I mean you might, but.

2923
02:36:41,080 --> 02:36:43,400
Speaker 2: Toby Hooper and Steven Spielberg for Poltergeist.

2924
02:36:43,640 --> 02:36:44,400
Speaker 1: It deserves it.

2925
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:49,000
Speaker 2: But no, I don't know, dude.

2926
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:52,440
Speaker 1: Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins winning for nineteen sixty one's

2927
02:36:52,440 --> 02:36:53,600
Speaker 1: West Side Story.

2928
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I would never have known that, and I

2929
02:36:58,680 --> 02:37:02,280
Speaker 2: don't care. All right, let's get into the racial stuff. Yes,

2930
02:37:03,160 --> 02:37:05,560
Speaker 2: we have now arrived at the Oscar so white section.

2931
02:37:06,480 --> 02:37:08,840
Speaker 2: It took more than a decade for an African American

2932
02:37:08,879 --> 02:37:11,640
Speaker 2: to win and even receive a nomination for an Academy

2933
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Award for Acting. The honor went to Hettie McDaniel, who

2934
02:37:15,560 --> 02:37:18,200
Speaker 2: earned a Best Supporting Actress statuette. I think it was

2935
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:21,520
Speaker 2: a plaque back then for her role as Mamy in

2936
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:25,200
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine's Gone with the Winds. While the achievement

2937
02:37:25,240 --> 02:37:27,920
Speaker 2: was an important breakthrough for black performers, the moment was

2938
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:32,320
Speaker 2: not completely victorious for McDaniel, the daughter of two former slaves.

2939
02:37:33,320 --> 02:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Segregation was still the law of the land throughout much

2940
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:38,280
Speaker 2: of the United States, and producer David o' selznik had

2941
02:37:38,280 --> 02:37:41,360
Speaker 2: the pool strings to ensure that McDaniel would even be

2942
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:45,080
Speaker 2: allowed to attend the ceremony at the Ambassador Hotel's Coconut

2943
02:37:45,080 --> 02:37:49,720
Speaker 2: Grove nightclub, which had a strict no blacks policy their words,

2944
02:37:50,760 --> 02:37:54,280
Speaker 2: Despite David oh Sales MC's endorsement, McDaniel was prohibited from

2945
02:37:54,280 --> 02:37:57,920
Speaker 2: sitting with her fellow cast mates. Instead, she was banished

2946
02:37:57,920 --> 02:37:59,800
Speaker 2: to a small table in the back of the room

2947
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:03,160
Speaker 2: along with her escort and agent. This was still an

2948
02:38:03,240 --> 02:38:06,039
Speaker 2: upgrade from the film's Atlanta premiere, for which she was

2949
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:10,920
Speaker 2: barred entirely an African American's Children choir was hired to

2950
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:14,680
Speaker 2: pose as slaves at the event, and this choir included

2951
02:38:14,680 --> 02:38:19,439
Speaker 2: a young Martin Luther King Junior. McDaniel found herself typecast

2952
02:38:19,480 --> 02:38:21,840
Speaker 2: following her famous role and gone with the wind, and

2953
02:38:21,879 --> 02:38:25,320
Speaker 2: went on to play more than seventy domestic servant.

2954
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:29,440
Speaker 1: Roles over the next decade. She would say, I'd rather

2955
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:33,600
Speaker 1: play a maid than be a maid. Even so, the

2956
02:38:33,720 --> 02:38:36,760
Speaker 1: NAACP took a dim view of her credits and effectively

2957
02:38:36,840 --> 02:38:41,720
Speaker 1: just owned her for allegedly perpetuating negative stereotypes. The indignities

2958
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:46,200
Speaker 1: continued even after McDaniel's death in nineteen fifty two. Her

2959
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:49,000
Speaker 1: final wish was to be buried in Hollywood Cemetery, but

2960
02:38:49,080 --> 02:38:52,119
Speaker 1: this was denied due to her race and the oscar

2961
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:56,280
Speaker 1: she bequeathed the Howard University was deemed worthless by appraisers.

2962
02:38:56,600 --> 02:38:59,120
Speaker 1: The plaque then went missing by the early seventies, and

2963
02:38:59,160 --> 02:39:00,000
Speaker 1: to this day.

2964
02:39:00,360 --> 02:39:03,880
Speaker 2: It's never been recovered. Jesus Christ, that is just a

2965
02:39:03,959 --> 02:39:11,680
Speaker 2: little on the nose. Yes, Holy, that got worse and worse. Yeah, yep,

2966
02:39:11,879 --> 02:39:15,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, this history of the States we are.

2967
02:39:17,280 --> 02:39:20,600
Speaker 1: It would be sixty two years before another black actress

2968
02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:23,160
Speaker 1: received an Academy Award great odds. This time it went

2969
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Speaker 1: to Halle Berry for her starring turn in two thousand

2970
02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:29,680
Speaker 1: and two's Monsters Ball. This moment is so much bigger

2971
02:39:29,720 --> 02:39:32,920
Speaker 1: than me, she said during her tearful acceptance speech. It's

2972
02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:36,800
Speaker 1: for every nameless, faceless woman of color that now has

2973
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:40,600
Speaker 1: a chance because this door tonight has been opened. Barry remains,

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02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:43,240
Speaker 1: I believe, the only black actress to ever win in

2975
02:39:43,320 --> 02:39:45,200
Speaker 1: the Leading Role category.

2976
02:39:44,920 --> 02:39:46,199
Speaker 2: And she's still keeping it tight.

2977
02:39:48,200 --> 02:39:50,640
Speaker 1: The first African American to win an Oscar for Best

2978
02:39:50,680 --> 02:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Actor was Sidney Poitier, who won for Lilies of the

2979
02:39:53,600 --> 02:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Field in nineteen sixty three. Denzel Washington became the second

2980
02:39:57,440 --> 02:39:59,959
Speaker 1: African American actor to win the Oscar for Best Actor

2981
02:40:00,200 --> 02:40:01,680
Speaker 1: for Training Day in two thousand and.

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02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:04,560
Speaker 2: One flawless movie No Notes.

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Speaker 1: And he's the first African American actor to have won

2984
02:40:07,400 --> 02:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Oscars for both Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor. He

2985
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:15,800
Speaker 1: won for nineteen eighty nine's Glory and a black filmmaker

2986
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:17,680
Speaker 1: has never won Best Director.

2987
02:40:18,040 --> 02:40:19,280
Speaker 2: There it is there, it is.

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02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:21,880
Speaker 1: In fact, it took seventy seven years for a non

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02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:25,760
Speaker 1: white filmmaker to win Best Director. That honor belongs to

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02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:28,120
Speaker 1: ang Lee who won in two thousand and six for

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02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:31,959
Speaker 1: Brooke Back Mountain. It took eighty one years for a

2992
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:35,000
Speaker 1: woman the win Best Director. That was in twenty ten,

2993
02:40:35,120 --> 02:40:38,600
Speaker 1: when Catherine Bigelow triumphed over her ex husband James Cameron

2994
02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:39,959
Speaker 1: for The hurt Locker.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful moment in Hollywood history. Also a great film. I

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02:40:43,520 --> 02:40:46,480
Speaker 2: mean yeah, I love her whole arc against James. It's

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02:40:46,480 --> 02:40:50,840
Speaker 2: son funny. Yes. Rita Moreno became the first Hispanic woman

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02:40:50,920 --> 02:40:52,840
Speaker 2: to win an Oscar for her role as Anita in

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02:40:52,920 --> 02:40:56,120
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one's West Side Story. She would be the

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02:40:56,160 --> 02:40:59,879
Speaker 2: only Hispanic woman for nearly six decades, and then Arianna

3001
02:41:00,120 --> 02:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Bose won the award for the same role in Steven

3002
02:41:03,560 --> 02:41:07,600
Speaker 2: Spielberg's remake in twenty twenty one. In addition to being

3003
02:41:07,640 --> 02:41:10,040
Speaker 2: the second Latina to win an Acting Oscar, she's the

3004
02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:13,000
Speaker 2: first openly queer woman of color to win an Oscar.

3005
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,960
Speaker 2: And Zoe Saldana became the first American of Dominican origin

3006
02:41:18,080 --> 02:41:22,320
Speaker 2: to win Academy Award on Sunday for Emilia Perez, a

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02:41:22,360 --> 02:41:27,400
Speaker 2: movie which was extensively cast and location scouted for in

3008
02:41:27,440 --> 02:41:33,600
Speaker 2: Mexico and then neither shot nor casted anything Mexican in it,

3009
02:41:34,480 --> 02:41:39,800
Speaker 2: and also whose star has just a rich, well documented

3010
02:41:39,879 --> 02:41:46,879
Speaker 2: history of saying real bad stuff about other races. So

3011
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:50,280
Speaker 2: we did it, Joe. We kept Amelia Perez from cleaning up.

3012
02:41:50,879 --> 02:41:53,640
Speaker 1: All right, I have another question for you, Heigel. There

3013
02:41:53,640 --> 02:41:57,520
Speaker 1: have been two other instances of two different actors winning

3014
02:41:57,520 --> 02:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Oscars for the same character. Do you want to guess

3015
02:42:00,520 --> 02:42:01,039
Speaker 1: who they are?

3016
02:42:01,400 --> 02:42:07,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Would it be John Wayne and Jeff Daniels for

3017
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:13,280
Speaker 2: True Grid? Not Jeff Daniels, Jeff Bridges. No, No, you're

3018
02:42:13,400 --> 02:42:18,600
Speaker 2: you're overthinking it. You know these? Wait? Two different asking?

3019
02:42:19,120 --> 02:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh, two different actors, one Oscars for playing the same character.

3020
02:42:23,320 --> 02:42:25,959
Speaker 2: This has happened twice. Harry Potter, No, I don't know.

3021
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sorry, man, I'm burnt.

3022
02:42:28,600 --> 02:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando and Robert de Niro as don Vito Corleone

3023
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:35,760
Speaker 1: for The Godfather Got Mother Part Too, and also Heath

3024
02:42:35,879 --> 02:42:38,840
Speaker 1: Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker in the Dark

3025
02:42:38,959 --> 02:42:40,439
Speaker 1: Night and Joker respectively.

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02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was embarrassing. I don't know. Maybe

3027
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't love the movies as much as I thought

3028
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:46,519
Speaker 2: I did.

3029
02:42:46,879 --> 02:42:50,080
Speaker 1: But back to big winning movies. The most Oscars won

3030
02:42:50,120 --> 02:42:53,400
Speaker 1: by a single film is eleven. This has happened three

3031
02:42:53,440 --> 02:42:56,280
Speaker 1: times in Oscar's history. Ben Hurr was the first to

3032
02:42:56,280 --> 02:42:59,880
Speaker 1: attend em eleven Oscars in nineteen sixty, followed by Titanic

3033
02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:02,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, and finally Lord of the Rings

3034
02:43:02,680 --> 02:43:04,400
Speaker 1: the Return of the King in two thousand and four.

3035
02:43:05,640 --> 02:43:07,280
Speaker 1: Out of the three, the Lord of the Rings was

3036
02:43:07,320 --> 02:43:11,200
Speaker 1: the only film to win every single Oscar. It was

3037
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:15,400
Speaker 1: nominated for all eleven nominations. It took all of them.

3038
02:43:15,400 --> 02:43:18,200
Speaker 1: That is insane. I've still never seen it.

3039
02:43:18,840 --> 02:43:21,680
Speaker 2: Ah, come on, you should watch those just as an

3040
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:25,640
Speaker 2: example of like truly the Nail and the Coffin for

3041
02:43:25,680 --> 02:43:29,160
Speaker 2: that kind of filmmaking. But things I don't like that

3042
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:32,440
Speaker 2: filmmaking is the thing. Yeah, I mean there's that. I

3043
02:43:32,480 --> 02:43:35,000
Speaker 2: know Peter Jackson loves the Beatles, but no, it's just

3044
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:37,720
Speaker 2: like there's never going to be anyone who gets to

3045
02:43:37,720 --> 02:43:41,320
Speaker 2: do that again. Yeah. Yeah, So it's just interesting from

3046
02:43:41,320 --> 02:43:43,879
Speaker 2: that perspective. Yeah.

3047
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:47,480
Speaker 1: The most nominations received by a single film are fourteen,

3048
02:43:47,959 --> 02:43:50,720
Speaker 1: and only three movies have notched those numbers nineteen fifties

3049
02:43:50,760 --> 02:43:54,119
Speaker 1: All About Eve, which only won six awards. Nineteen ninety

3050
02:43:54,120 --> 02:43:57,000
Speaker 1: seven is Titanic, which, as we mentioned, won eleven awards

3051
02:43:57,400 --> 02:43:59,960
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteens La La Land, which only won six.

3052
02:44:01,400 --> 02:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Three films have won the Big five categories Best Picture,

3053
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:08,199
Speaker 1: Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Screenplay in nineteen

3054
02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:11,000
Speaker 1: thirty four Is It Happened One Night, nineteen seventy five's

3055
02:44:11,000 --> 02:44:13,879
Speaker 1: One Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest, and nineteen ninety one's

3056
02:44:13,920 --> 02:44:18,240
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. Hell, Yeah, and did you know, Heigel,

3057
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:18,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do.

3058
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

3059
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:22,959
Speaker 1: I'm sure this guy knows. This guy knows. An x

3060
02:44:23,080 --> 02:44:28,200
Speaker 1: rated film one Best Picture. Midnight Cowboy has gone down

3061
02:44:28,240 --> 02:44:30,560
Speaker 1: in cinema history. Is one of the most revered films

3062
02:44:30,600 --> 02:44:33,120
Speaker 1: of the sixties, thanks in large part due to Dustin

3063
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:37,680
Speaker 1: Hoffman's unforgettable portrayal as Ratzo I'm walking here Rizzo, the

3064
02:44:37,760 --> 02:44:40,640
Speaker 1: wanna be pimp who befriends the naive stud known as

3065
02:44:40,760 --> 02:44:43,800
Speaker 1: Joe Buck played by John Voight, and for Fred Neil right,

3066
02:44:43,879 --> 02:44:46,160
Speaker 1: and for the Harry Nilsen doing the freend Neil song

3067
02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's Talking at Me? Yeah, Yeah, Well. Its reputation is

3068
02:44:49,959 --> 02:44:53,480
Speaker 1: a Best Picture winner is reasonably well known. Few realize

3069
02:44:53,480 --> 02:44:56,320
Speaker 1: that it's the first and to date only X rated

3070
02:44:56,360 --> 02:45:00,480
Speaker 1: movie in Oscar's history to earn that distinction. However, the

3071
02:45:00,480 --> 02:45:03,360
Speaker 1: EX certification meant something very different at the time than

3072
02:45:03,400 --> 02:45:06,160
Speaker 1: it does today. We've been that Cowboy was released in

3073
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:09,800
Speaker 1: May nineteen sixty nine. The Motion Picture Association of America

3074
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:14,640
Speaker 1: the MPAA was then only six months old. They distributed

3075
02:45:14,760 --> 02:45:18,480
Speaker 1: X ratings to films that contained content judged unsuitable for children,

3076
02:45:18,600 --> 02:45:22,720
Speaker 1: such as extreme violence, strongly implied sex, and graphic language.

3077
02:45:23,160 --> 02:45:26,279
Speaker 1: Many mainstream movies of the era, including a Clockwork Orange,

3078
02:45:26,360 --> 02:45:29,279
Speaker 1: Las Tango in Paris, and The Evil Dead, were marked

3079
02:45:29,280 --> 02:45:32,080
Speaker 1: by the X, which barred anyone from under the age

3080
02:45:32,120 --> 02:45:36,080
Speaker 1: of sixteen from entering. Ultimately, the rating was phased out

3081
02:45:36,120 --> 02:45:39,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety in favor of the NC seventeen rating.

3082
02:45:40,200 --> 02:45:43,680
Speaker 1: But interestingly, the studio that produced Midnight Cowboy labeled it

3083
02:45:43,720 --> 02:45:46,640
Speaker 1: with an X rating themselves without even submitting it to

3084
02:45:46,680 --> 02:45:51,359
Speaker 1: the MPAA. United Oris production had David Picker just assumed

3085
02:45:51,400 --> 02:45:54,640
Speaker 1: that the sexually explicit nature of the film, plus the druggy,

3086
02:45:54,720 --> 02:45:58,440
Speaker 1: psychedelic freak out scenes and homosexual themes made it an

3087
02:45:58,440 --> 02:46:01,160
Speaker 1: obvious contender for the strictest and he said, we didn't

3088
02:46:01,160 --> 02:46:03,560
Speaker 1: want to go through the exercise of submitting it since

3089
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:05,160
Speaker 1: we weren't prepared to change the movie.

3090
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:09,160
Speaker 2: He's talking to the Hollywood Reporter. Stranger Still, when.

3091
02:46:08,959 --> 02:46:11,480
Speaker 1: The MPAA did opt to review the movie in nineteen

3092
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:15,240
Speaker 1: seventy one, they downgraded the rating to an R, well

3093
02:46:15,280 --> 02:46:16,280
Speaker 1: less extreme R.

3094
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the NPA for for the longest time,

3095
02:46:19,120 --> 02:46:22,120
Speaker 2: the ratings board were just awful. I mean, we've touched

3096
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:24,480
Speaker 2: briefly on it wasn't the guy in charge of it

3097
02:46:24,520 --> 02:46:27,520
Speaker 2: for one year, like a for the Exorcist one, it

3098
02:46:27,640 --> 02:46:30,400
Speaker 2: was like a religious fundamentalist and held a particular grudge

3099
02:46:30,440 --> 02:46:34,800
Speaker 2: against the against that film. There's all it's it's utterly opaque,

3100
02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:39,360
Speaker 2: and every filmmaker who's done anything in marginally challenging subject

3101
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:42,320
Speaker 2: materials talking about how artificial it all is. Where the

3102
02:46:42,320 --> 02:46:45,600
Speaker 2: they'll like pull three frames out of a scene like

3103
02:46:46,040 --> 02:46:49,240
Speaker 2: or a certain amount of Buddock thrusts in a sex scene,

3104
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:53,000
Speaker 2: they'll resubmit it seven to ten times, and then the

3105
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:57,840
Speaker 2: last two times they didn't change anything. But and they're

3106
02:46:57,879 --> 02:47:03,240
Speaker 2: like great, yeah, yeah, awful movies. Matt movie magic.

3107
02:47:05,400 --> 02:47:08,040
Speaker 1: And now before we sign off, there's a few other

3108
02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:11,640
Speaker 1: assorted Oscar winning movie factoids that I'd like to share

3109
02:47:11,680 --> 02:47:15,039
Speaker 1: with you. In the form of a multiple choice quiz.

3110
02:47:16,280 --> 02:47:20,920
Speaker 2: Says, get back to trivia, its to someone else.

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02:47:21,879 --> 02:47:24,600
Speaker 1: What was the first fully animated film to receive a

3112
02:47:24,600 --> 02:47:28,960
Speaker 1: Best Picture nomination? Was it one The Lion King, two,

3113
02:47:29,160 --> 02:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, three, Beauty and the

3114
02:47:31,959 --> 02:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Beast or.

3115
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:35,160
Speaker 2: Four Toy Story three. I want to say Beauty in

3116
02:47:35,160 --> 02:47:39,199
Speaker 2: the Beast Right, You're correct? Yeah, thank god we did.

3117
02:47:39,280 --> 02:47:42,080
Speaker 2: We did an episode on it to date.

3118
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:44,560
Speaker 1: What is the only film to win both an Oscar

3119
02:47:44,720 --> 02:47:48,400
Speaker 1: for Best Actor and a Golden Raspberry for Worst Supporting Actress.

3120
02:47:49,120 --> 02:47:50,520
Speaker 2: Is it one? Wall Street?

3121
02:47:50,959 --> 02:47:51,199
Speaker 1: Two?

3122
02:47:51,320 --> 02:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Three Forrest Gump or

3123
02:47:55,240 --> 02:48:01,640
Speaker 2: four Bohemian Rhapsody. Uh, Bohemian Rhapsody. No, Wall Street? Who's

3124
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:03,800
Speaker 2: the Well? I guess that answers my question. Who's the

3125
02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:08,200
Speaker 2: female lead in Wall Street? I believe it was You

3126
02:48:08,240 --> 02:48:11,040
Speaker 2: didn't know it either. I think it was Daryl Hannah. Yes,

3127
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:13,200
Speaker 2: Daryl Hannah. That's sad.

3128
02:48:13,640 --> 02:48:17,720
Speaker 1: I know which Best Picture winning film is the longest

3129
02:48:17,800 --> 02:48:21,720
Speaker 1: run time with three hours and fifty four minutes, Titanic,

3130
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:26,040
Speaker 1: The Godfather, Gone with the Wind or Oppenheimer.

3131
02:48:26,480 --> 02:48:29,560
Speaker 2: Did Oppenheimer set the new record or is it still

3132
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:32,520
Speaker 2: shorter than Titanic. I don't know, I got nothing. Gone

3133
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:36,120
Speaker 2: with the Wind? Oh okay, never seen it? Sorry, I

3134
02:48:36,120 --> 02:48:36,600
Speaker 2: haven't either.

3135
02:48:36,920 --> 02:48:39,440
Speaker 1: The first color film to win Best Picture, but the

3136
02:48:39,480 --> 02:48:42,360
Speaker 1: longest movie to ever win an Oscar, although not Best Picture,

3137
02:48:42,520 --> 02:48:45,920
Speaker 1: was the nineteen sixty eight classic War in Peace, which

3138
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:47,240
Speaker 1: ran over seven hours.

3139
02:48:47,959 --> 02:48:50,280
Speaker 2: Game is that Tartowski or one of those people other

3140
02:48:50,280 --> 02:48:52,760
Speaker 2: people have to pretend to care about or they think so?

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02:48:55,680 --> 02:48:58,560
Speaker 2: Two more, The two thousand and three film The Lord

3142
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,800
Speaker 2: of the Rings The Return of the King is one

3143
02:49:00,800 --> 02:49:04,360
Speaker 2: of only two sequels to win Best Picture? What was

3144
02:49:04,440 --> 02:49:10,039
Speaker 2: the other? Godfather? Too correct? Please? And finally, what's the

3145
02:49:10,080 --> 02:49:13,080
Speaker 2: first foreign film to win Best Picture? Is it? One?

3146
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:14,280
Speaker 1: Parasite?

3147
02:49:14,480 --> 02:49:18,320
Speaker 2: Two? Life Is Beautiful? Three Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon or

3148
02:49:18,360 --> 02:49:23,720
Speaker 2: four of the Umbrellas of Cherburg. I guess Trapching Tiger.

3149
02:49:23,720 --> 02:49:25,520
Speaker 2: I'll say I don't recall it winning Best Picture, but

3150
02:49:25,720 --> 02:49:26,760
Speaker 2: I wanted it to.

3151
02:49:27,160 --> 02:49:30,480
Speaker 1: It was Parasite in twenty twenty. I also took you

3152
02:49:30,600 --> 02:49:31,160
Speaker 1: so long?

3153
02:49:31,240 --> 02:49:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you said that, I also kind of knew that,

3154
02:49:34,280 --> 02:49:38,600
Speaker 2: but hey, I didn't say it, and I'm suitably chastened.

3155
02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:42,760
Speaker 1: Director Bong Joon ho said, once you overcome the one

3156
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:46,200
Speaker 1: inch tall barrier of subtitles. You will be introduced to

3157
02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:52,039
Speaker 1: so many more amazing films. Yeah, yeah, well, Heigel. In

3158
02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:54,199
Speaker 1: the end, there's only one more fact left to share.

3159
02:49:55,440 --> 02:49:59,920
Speaker 1: The only person actually named Oscar to win an Oscar Oh,

3160
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,440
Speaker 1: thank God, was Oscar Hammerstein, the second who won for

3161
02:50:03,480 --> 02:50:07,400
Speaker 1: his song The Last Time I saw Paris in the nineteen.

3162
02:50:07,080 --> 02:50:13,959
Speaker 2: Forty one movie Lady Be Good. And now I hear

3163
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:15,280
Speaker 2: the wrap it up music playing.

3164
02:50:15,640 --> 02:50:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was almost as long as the actual ceremony.

3165
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:24,720
Speaker 2: I just want to thank my parents and Jordan and

3166
02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:33,480
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Katzenberg, especially Michael Caine obviously. Yeah, John Carpenter for

3167
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:36,879
Speaker 2: all you do. Kurt Russell, please die before you say

3168
02:50:36,920 --> 02:50:40,120
Speaker 2: anything really bad or right wing in public, because that

3169
02:50:40,160 --> 02:50:44,320
Speaker 2: will destroy me. God well, I like to think Jesus,

3170
02:50:44,400 --> 02:50:46,000
Speaker 2: of course, through him, all things are possible.

3171
02:50:47,640 --> 02:50:52,560
Speaker 5: Movie magic, movie magic, way, movie magic. It's just a

3172
02:50:52,640 --> 02:51:00,440
Speaker 5: magical night. All right, my ben, I'm My name is

3173
02:51:00,440 --> 02:51:01,160
Speaker 5: Alex Heigel.

3174
02:51:01,920 --> 02:51:06,800
Speaker 2: All right, My name is My game is mister movies,

3175
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:10,640
Speaker 2: the guy who loves going to the movies. That's what

3176
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:16,320
Speaker 2: I That's what I do do. I get water now, mommy,

3177
02:51:16,360 --> 02:51:19,440
Speaker 2: can I please go to pet And I'm Jordan runtagg

3178
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Speaker 2: We'll see you at the movies. Go in, Go do

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