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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, and we are back with Steph Young. Independent researcher, author,

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Speaker 1: podcast host, perhaps best known for her In the Woods

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Speaker 1: series of books, and her latest is Proof of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife The Dead Don't Die True Tales of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: So chapter one, you're you're in the Surrey countryside and

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Speaker 1: you have some some type of an illness. You go

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Speaker 1: to see one of these I guess it's a couple

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Speaker 1: of their mediums, and you're hoping that a spirit doctor

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Speaker 1: can cure you. Yeah. Yeah, I was very, very seriously

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Speaker 1: ill about a year and a half ago, and I've

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Speaker 1: actually started writing this book beforehand, and I thought, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll go and give it a try, because also, you know,

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, it's good for my research. Friar

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Speaker 1: for going to see the couple in the countryside, I

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Speaker 1: had been to lots of other healers, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I've never felt anything, never seen anything, and I thought, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anything's really been happening anyway. So

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Speaker 1: I found this elderly couple and they lived in the

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Speaker 1: heart of the forest. Really, so I went there one

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Speaker 1: day and I'm driving and I arrived a little bit early,

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Speaker 1: and I'm parts on their driveway and I'm thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: nobody knows i'm here. It wasn't, you know, men out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. I think of, what if they're not trustworthy people?

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Speaker 1: But if I don't come back anyway. While I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there in the car, the front door opens and this

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Speaker 1: a really old house and it's got lots of ancient

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Speaker 1: books and artifacts, and they showed me into the lounge

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Speaker 1: and we get talking and I explain, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing a bit of research, and only enough we start

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Speaker 1: talking about the amount of fake mediums or trick or

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Speaker 1: read it's involved or used to go on. So that

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Speaker 1: put me at ease a little bit because I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: they're not completely sold on everything. So i'd hop onto

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Speaker 1: the treatment bed, which is just like a massage table.

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Speaker 1: There's lights on, they're just playing a bit of soft

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Speaker 1: music and they're just stading you decided me really and

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Speaker 1: just sort of their hands are just sort of just

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Speaker 1: lightly touching me, and I think where I'll just close

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Speaker 1: my eyes and as I'm lying down, thinking this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I feel so stupid, and thinking about which route to

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Speaker 1: take home and what do I do when I get home.

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Speaker 1: I've got so much work. Anyway, After about twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: I suddenly felt this really really sharp pain, and I

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Speaker 1: obviously opened my eyes because I'm thinking they are they're

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Speaker 1: literally operating if they've got a knife or something. Their

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Speaker 1: hands were nowhere near the part of my body where

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Speaker 1: I could feel this sensation, and it felt like a

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Speaker 1: scalpel or it felt like fingernails, but something very very

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Speaker 1: deep inside me was grabbing and gripping and doing something.

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Speaker 1: So I closed my eyes again. I thought, this is insane.

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Speaker 1: But when I'd opened my eyes the first time I

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Speaker 1: saw where the pain was. I saw what I can

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Speaker 1: only describe as like looking at an X ray. And

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Speaker 1: I could see this white bone, like a long bone

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Speaker 1: of an arm, and I could see a hand, the

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Speaker 1: bony fingers, and I closed my eyes again. I thought,

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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining this. This is insane, and I opened

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Speaker 1: my eyes again and there it was. And I'd been

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Speaker 1: to lots of other healers before, I'd never seen anything

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Speaker 1: or felt anything, so I'd gone there with absolutely no

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Speaker 1: but that there's the pain inside. I wasn't excruciating. It's

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Speaker 1: just a bit uncomfortable. But there's no way that I

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Speaker 1: so many accounts, and that's why it's taken the years

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Speaker 1: to write this book, because I haven't quite believed many

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Speaker 1: of them, and I have found a lot of fake healers,

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Speaker 1: but I just didn't imagine that. There's just no way

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Speaker 1: to know this couple as well. They're very very good friends. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've known them over the last year. I go and

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Speaker 1: have dinner with them every week. And the husband they

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Speaker 1: asked her husband, how onna this start for you? Because

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Speaker 1: where they held a public local people from the community

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Speaker 1: healer and Nhila said, don't do anything, just stand and watch.

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Speaker 1: So he's standing watching. After the first patient's left, the

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Speaker 1: take over. And Alex thinking to do this because all

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Speaker 1: he literally would just put his hand on somebody's back

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Speaker 1: as they're sitting there, thinking, I've no idea what I'm doing. Well,

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Speaker 1: a sudden, he hears this voice in his head and

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Speaker 1: more and more insistent. If I cut him open, cut

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Speaker 1: his leg open, pick the scalpel up. Clairvoyantly, this scalpel appears,

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Speaker 1: told me are some remarkable things that have happened, and

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Speaker 1: you cured of your illness as a result? Do you

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Speaker 1: think of this spirit of psychic surgery? I did have

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Speaker 1: some remarkable test results afterwards. Yes I did, Yes, I did. Um.

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Speaker 1: I did, I did. I did improve a lot afterwards. Yes,

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Speaker 1: of Was it coming out of the medium? Out? I

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure everybody would just think that's

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Speaker 1: cases of healers in the book. There was there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a very good story of how so called spirit

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Speaker 1: was a healer called Jesse Thomas who lived in Brighton,

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Speaker 1: and this was in the nineteen fifties. Well, when he

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Speaker 1: he'd been killed. Well, he reluctantly went on and joined

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Speaker 1: himself doctor Robert Cosh appeared to him and said, I'll

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Speaker 1: And he had no idea what that meant. But so

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