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Speaker 1: I had seven time NBA champ Robert or on the show.

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of things cooking today. But we

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Speaker 1: had Robert Horion and it was a classic Laker, you know,

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Speaker 1: played all four years of college, came in and played,

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Speaker 1: you know, great spurs teams, great Laker teams. And I

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Speaker 1: asked him about, you know, Lebron's legacy, and you know

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Speaker 1: the statue argument.

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Speaker 3: And here's what Robert Ory.

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Speaker 4: Said, Lebron, you know him, Katie. Those guys have had

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Speaker 4: the choice. You know, everybody wants somebody to be like

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Speaker 4: Tim Duncan, that ain't the case with everybody. They wanted

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Speaker 4: to explore options. And I think if he does get

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Speaker 4: a statue out there, he's deserving. He should get a

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Speaker 4: statue in Cleveland, he says, get a statue in la

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Speaker 4: He said, get a statue in Miami, because you think

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Speaker 4: about what he's done.

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Speaker 5: For every organization.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not about the wins, it's about the butts

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Lakers aren't every other organization. There is

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Speaker 1: simply a different standard for nore Dame Football, Yankee Baseball,

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Speaker 1: Real Madrid, Manchester United, and the Lakers, even though they

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Speaker 1: haven't been very good over the last ten years, right

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Speaker 1: most of the time, and this is not the New

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Speaker 1: York Mets that celebrate wild card appearances. Are the Charlotte

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Speaker 1: Hornets or the fourth best football team in the Big twelve, Miami, sure, Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I think if you asked Laker fans statue in Lebron

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Speaker 1: outside of crypto, it would be absolutely not. Folks think

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Speaker 1: about the statues in front of crypto Kobe five rings,

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Speaker 1: Jerry West six as an executive, and then nine finals appearances,

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Speaker 1: Magic five, title, Shack three, Kareem five, pat Riley several,

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Speaker 1: chick Hearn, thirty plus years of broadcasting. I mean Elgin

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Speaker 1: Baylor didn't have a title. But Elgin Baylor, who many

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Speaker 1: believe was the pre Lebron, He was Lebron before Lebron.

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Speaker 1: All fourteen years of his career, Lakers drafted by him,

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Speaker 1: stayed with him, fourteen years with him. You know, ten

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Speaker 1: and he is the founding father of professional basketball in La.

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Speaker 1: Is Elgin Baylor, ohways a Laker. You know, every statue

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Speaker 1: outside of crypto, the first line of it could be

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's finest most points ever part of the heatls is

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Speaker 1: he really family? Lebron feels more like a consultant. He

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Speaker 1: adds value new set of eyes, polishes up the problems,

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Speaker 1: and then when he leaves in the contracts done, you're like,

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Speaker 1: not family. And that's the downside of mobility. Lebron isn't

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Speaker 1: a lot of rings. One COVID championship, eight years with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, last two. There's games and minute restrictions. I

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Speaker 1: big deal for the Clippers, that's a big deal maybe

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Speaker 1: To me, everybody keeps asking who's the next Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: he has are elite traits. He is a more athletic,

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Speaker 1: But if you're looking for the next Donald, it's right

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Speaker 1: in front of you. It's Kyler Murray. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I was never a JJ McCarthy fan. What are the

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Speaker 1: trade When Drake May came out, I'm like, Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: NFL size, NFL arm two trades. Caleb Williams, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson. You gotta have a wow trait. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has them. But like Sam Darnley, went to

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Speaker 1: a bad organization. So I worry a little bit about

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a smaller quarterback. I don't think like Donald.

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Speaker 1: I think Donald's a better talent. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: going to peel off fourteen wins. But when you look

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Speaker 1: It was a great coach. For Donald, it was Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, he got little Sean McVay and then he

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Speaker 1: gets Liam Cohen and Dave Kanalis. That's what the reclamation

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Speaker 1: projects all have. They find their kingpin, they find their

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Speaker 1: their wizard. Well, Kevin O'Connell was that for Donald, He

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Speaker 1: was that for Josh Dobbs. Briefly he couldn't make it

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Speaker 1: work with JJ McCarthy. I think it's Kyler Murray. Albert

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Speaker 6: I think right now things are lining up for the

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Speaker 2: Murray in on the minimum.

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Speaker 6: And I think if you're Kyler Murray, you look at

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Speaker 6: that situation, the opportunity to work with Kevin O'Connell, an

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Speaker 6: Jordan Addison, TJ. Howkinson. I mean, you start to add

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Speaker 6: though they didn't play very well last year, a lot

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Speaker 6: of those same elements that put Sam Donald in position

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Speaker 3: Totally agree.

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Speaker 1: So it's when whenever you look at these quarterbacks who

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Speaker 1: if they resurrect their career, the common thread is not

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Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, Dave Canalis, Liam Cohne. You

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Speaker 1: and I think he would flourish. Do I think he'd

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Speaker 1: And like all of you, I think he's a little small.

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Speaker 1: I worry about the video game report, But on the

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Speaker 1: Darryl Morey is saying what we've been saying for years.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And Max Crosby is officially a Raider

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Speaker 8: it's a weird spot for Max Crosby's saying all the

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I think it's I said before, they have

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Speaker 5: No no, no tar it on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. I just googled Vinie Colin.

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Speaker 8: Did you know his nickname is Passquatch like sasquatch.

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Speaker 8: Colin as expected, but this is where it gets interesting.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

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Speaker 3: You're a professional, you're a.

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Speaker 1: He's I think he'll probably get the starting nod. Who

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Speaker 1: If Fernando Mendoza plays for sixteen years, anybody gonna care

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Speaker 8: Moving on to the New England Patriots, Colin. They add

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Speaker 1: Thirty one years at Michigan State, we got the conference

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Speaker 7: Everybody's got a different way of skinning a cat, as

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Speaker 7: whether it's a plus or a minus.

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Speaker 5: I have my differences.

434
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Speaker 7: I think the transfer portal has made it so everybody's

435
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 7: a free agent every day, and that makes it a

436
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Speaker 7: little more difficult. You don't have that in the NBA,

437
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Speaker 7: the NFL, or you know, NHL, So I'm not sure

438
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Speaker 7: you'd like it if you were coaching. I'm not sure

439
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Speaker 7: how you'd like it if you had a son who

440
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Speaker 7: was gonna have a chance, Yes, make more money, but

441
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 7: remember if your son's playing here and I want to

442
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Speaker 7: bring in somebody to replace them and he's only a sophomore,

443
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 7: that's not good for your son either. So I think

444
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Speaker 7: it's really hard on the kids.

445
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Speaker 1: I really do do you can you coach as hard

446
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: today as you did five years ago or do you

447
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: kind of worry about boy he may know.

448
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question. I don't worry about it.

449
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Speaker 7: You know, I'm at the point in my career where

450
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Speaker 7: i don't need to worry about it.

451
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Speaker 5: But you know, I've had the privilege.

452
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Speaker 7: Of being, you know, around guys like Magic Johnson or

453
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Speaker 7: you know, watching the NBA. I've had some chances to

454
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 7: go there, and I think they all think the same thing.

455
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Speaker 5: You know, the great players want to be coached. Everybody's

456
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 5: got to be pushed. If you're not pushed.

457
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Speaker 7: I mean, look at the great coaches way before me,

458
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Speaker 7: you know. But you look at from Michigan, Po Shambuck

459
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Speaker 7: or Bobby Knight or Nick Saban, my good friend Nick.

460
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Speaker 7: Or you look at some college coaches, you know, John Thompson.

461
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 7: I mean, everybody pushes people. That's the way it should

462
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Speaker 7: That's the way it needs to be if you're really

463
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Speaker 7: going to be successful.

464
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Speaker 5: But it was easy, as they say, everybody would do it.

465
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Speaker 1: Best players in the NBA now are international. I can

466
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Speaker 1: remember years ago when Tony kukoach came in and everybody said, ah,

467
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: they're soft guys, but their academy system. You got young

468
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Speaker 1: guys over there playing against older players, so they come

469
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Speaker 1: in pretty hardened and pretty skilled. What is your view

470
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Speaker 1: on international recruiting are you? I mean, I've talked to

471
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Speaker 1: Patino last week. He's got guys from you know, six continents.

472
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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on international recruiting.

473
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm questioning what you said about the best players

474
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Speaker 7: in the NBA are international.

475
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Speaker 5: I don't believe that.

476
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Speaker 7: I think what's happening is, yes, some of those guys

477
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 7: have better opportunities to get better faster, but some of

478
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 7: them come over here in twenty one, twenty two years

479
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 7: old too, So if I took my freshmen and made

480
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Speaker 7: him twenty two and then let him go, he'd.

481
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Speaker 5: Be a lot better.

482
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Speaker 7: So I think the Americans are getting a bad deal

483
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Speaker 7: on that. To be honest with you, I think there's

484
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Speaker 7: i'm good American players. If we had the same opportunities,

485
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 7: maybe it would be a little better. But I still

486
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 7: don't think the best players are necessary European players. I

487
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 7: think there are some good European players, but I think

488
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 7: there's some really good American players too.

489
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Speaker 1: Where where's your favorite place in the country to recruit?

490
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Speaker 5: Right?

491
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Speaker 1: Now for Michigan State players, Michigan State town, where's your

492
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Speaker 1: favorite place to recruit?

493
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Speaker 5: Well, I should say away he or something, but you know.

494
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Speaker 7: In all honesty, we were a program that was kind

495
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Speaker 7: of basically Midwest the state of Michigan had a lot

496
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Speaker 7: of great players in Illinois and Indiana and Ohio.

497
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Speaker 5: And now you do got.

498
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Speaker 7: To go all over because there's kids everywhere, and kids

499
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 7: are ready to move and they want to change where

500
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Speaker 7: they are.

501
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Speaker 5: So I don't know if I have a favorite place anymore.

502
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Speaker 7: I still like the Midwest, the Midwest kids, I do

503
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Speaker 7: appreciate that, but I've got some East Coast kids on

504
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 7: my team. Now we've kind of branched out like everybody

505
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 7: else has had to.

506
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Speaker 1: So you played against Cam Boozer, who reminds me of

507
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: his dad. Actually he's not hyper athletic, but he's got

508
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: great hands, great feet, competitive, he's a very consistent player,

509
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: and I think he's getting a little overshadowed by the

510
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: Darren Peterson and a cuff down at Arkansas as a

511
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: fantastic player. Calipari's got himself a gem up there. So

512
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Speaker 1: you tell me about Boozer because I think he's one

513
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: of those guys that I can watch him. I recovered

514
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: his dad. His dad was a smart guy. His dad

515
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: was a grinder and a hard worker. What do you

516
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: make of him as a NBA prospect and a college player?

517
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Speaker 7: You know, I love Cam Boozer. I know they beat

518
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 7: us here. We had a lead with about two or

519
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 7: three minutes left. He just kind of takes over a game.

520
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 7: You're right, he doesn't get enough credit because he doesn't soar.

521
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 7: He doesn't you know, dunk from everywhere. He's not the

522
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 7: greatest athlete, but you know, being from a school where

523
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 7: Ervin was from, basketball IQ is off the charts.

524
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Speaker 5: That's number one.

525
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 7: And I think winning is extremely important to him. Credit

526
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 7: to his coach down there, give credit to his dad,

527
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 7: but not everybody puts winning on the top.

528
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: I think Cam Boozer does.

529
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Speaker 7: I think what every team he goes to, he helps

530
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Speaker 7: him win and he's going to be a very good

531
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Speaker 7: pro in my humble opinion.

532
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: Okay, I ask you this every time I bring you

533
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: on before the tournament. Tell me a team that none

534
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: of us TV radio guys are talking about. That's under

535
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: I remember years ago somebody gave me Belmont at a

536
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Nashville and actually won a tournament game and they were

537
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: really good. What is a team you have played? Maybe

538
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: you beat them, maybe you just saw him on film

539
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: prepping for another team. But if I told you shocking

540
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: up said in the first round a team that we

541
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Speaker 1: should keep our eye on.

542
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: Wow.

543
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Speaker 7: You know that's a tougher question than a couple of

544
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 7: years ago, because there's so many more teams now.

545
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: You know, you look at our league alone.

546
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 7: We've got eighteen teams in the league, and it's so hard.

547
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 7: Everybody's got I think we're getting like the NFL where

548
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 7: not mediocrity, but I think there's more even teams, and

549
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 7: so I don't know if there's going to be as

550
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 7: many upsets. I think you're right about what you said earlier.

551
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 7: It's going to be harder to upset people. How can

552
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 7: you always put such nice things on me on TV?

553
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 7: You know, don't you ever get me hugging or kissing anybody?

554
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: I could hug raft, you know that would be more fun.

555
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 7: But you know, I played a lot of good teams

556
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 7: Arkansas and a cars Duke in North Carolina, Kentucky.

557
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: You know, I think some of those teams, because they

558
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 5: had so.

559
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 7: Many transfers, are getting better at the end of the

560
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 7: year than they were at the beginning of the year.

561
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 7: It takes some time to work those guys in. So

562
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 7: this one time, man, I don't have a good answer

563
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 7: for you. It was easy to put Gonzaga in that

564
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 7: ten years ago. Now they're so damn good they can

565
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 7: beat anybody, So they're not a surprise team anymore.

566
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: So I saw your fans.

567
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: I had Dusty Mayon I think it was last week,

568
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: and he about all of a Michigan State fans heckling him.

569
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons I've always defended college

570
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: basket over like the G League. And my take is,

571
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: first of all, the coaching's better in college and it's

572
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: hard coaching. Second of all, you have to play in

573
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: these kind of environments and that you're getting heckled, and

574
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: it's like an NBA environment. I think the arenas in

575
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: the Big Ten and the Sect and the Big twelve,

576
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: they're hard, they're louder than the NBA arenas. So when

577
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: you see Dusty may getting heckled, what is your take

578
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: on that?

579
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: What did you make of that?

580
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 5: Well?

581
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 7: Did you think I went to the problem when I

582
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 7: went over there? You know, it wasn't a prom dance.

583
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 7: I'll tell you that. But you know what, I agree

584
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 7: with you. I think that's part of college sports. And

585
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 7: I think the Big Ten has led the nation and

586
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 7: attendance for like fifty years, so it's been that way.

587
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 7: I've been in at forty of them, so it's been

588
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 7: that way the whole time.

589
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 5: But I think as long as it's clean, it's good.

590
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 7: You know, you can call me anything in the world,

591
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 7: but keep it a little bit clean. I think the

592
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 7: same for our fans with him. But that's what rivalries

593
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 7: are all about.

594
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 5: You know. I don't think you go to Duke Carolina.

595
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 7: Game and you know everybody's holding hands and singing Kumba law.

596
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 7: You know, it's not the way it works. But I

597
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 7: think this is what made college better than the NBA.

598
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, well, I mean I watch

599
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: your Michigan games this year. First of all, they're big.

600
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I talked to Mark Few the other week and he's like,

601
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they dusted Gonzaga. They shot the ball well,

602
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: which they don't know way shoot the ball well? Is

603
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you had to meet Michigan down the

604
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: road in the tournament because you played them close both times,

605
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: you're both good enough to win.

606
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: The thing?

607
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: Is there a way?

608
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean is when you look at your Michigan games,

609
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: do you look at them and go, oh, we could

610
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: just have this back or this back, or are they

611
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: just tom a team capable of winning it all? They're

612
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: just so damn big for a college team.

613
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 7: You know, I think they're big, but they're also talented.

614
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 7: You know, y Excel is a hell of a player.

615
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 7: He goes five for six from the three. He hasn't

616
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 7: done that very often, and he made some big time

617
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 7: threes in our game. But you know, we have played

618
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 7: we played in an exhibition, we played Yukon. I think

619
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 7: they're very good. I think right now Florida's coming on Michigan.

620
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 7: I think is good enough to win it all. But

621
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 7: they lost a kid named Kison who was a really

622
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 7: really good guard who kind of could play all three

623
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 7: guard positions.

624
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 5: And you know, we'll see if that hurts them in

625
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 5: the long run.

626
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 7: I mean, as you say, our game was two three

627
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: point game with three minutes left, and yet they find

628
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 7: ways to win.

629
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 5: And that's what good teams do. Are they good enough? Yes?

630
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 5: Right now? I'm still a big fan of some besides Michigan.

631
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 7: Some other programs, but Florida seems to be playing the

632
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 7: best at the end of the year if I looked

633
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 7: at it, you know, from a lens from a distance.

634
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 7: I haven't played Florida, but they got size, they got

635
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 7: guard play, and he's won it all before, so they

636
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 7: really have been coming on lately. I think Arizona is

637
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 7: really good. I haven't played them. Michigan is really good.

638
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 7: Have played them on pernu yet either. You know, they've

639
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 7: struggled a little bit, but great guard played great coach

640
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 7: uh in our league. I think Nebraska is another team

641
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 7: that you know, you don't really look at Nebraska as

642
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 7: a basketball school. It's like looking at Indiana. You don't

643
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 7: look at them as a football school. They just won

644
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 7: the national championship. So there's going to be some surprises

645
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 7: in this tournament. But we could play Michigan if we

646
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 7: both win in the Big Ten tournament in.

647
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Your city, yep, eight time Final four champ. By the way,

648
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: I love Chicago. Everybody comes up to me, they're like, well,

649
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: how do you They always say, hey, how do you

650
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: like Chicago? And I'm like, it's one best city in

651
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: North America? Nine straight years in Conde Nos travel magazine.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, folks, buy a jacket. It gets a little

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Speaker 1: frosty in January. Buy a damn jacket. Who cares it's

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Speaker 1: a little cold, people, It's like I can't handle cold.

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Speaker 5: You know what, when you see what's happening in the

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Speaker 5: country right now.

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Speaker 7: You know, hurricanes and fires and all this, I'll take

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Speaker 7: a little cold.

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Speaker 5: At least you can stay alive with the cold. You know.

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Speaker 7: There's other reasons at other places. So I'm like you,

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Speaker 7: I'm glad you moved back to the Midwest.

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Speaker 5: Can't wait. Maybe you'll take me out to dinner.

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Speaker 1: When I come over there by the way, I might

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Speaker 1: make sure you put the herd on the back. I

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Speaker 1: see that TV behind you. You know you could do

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Speaker 1: us a favor and put our show on once in

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Speaker 1: a while.

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Speaker 3: Powell.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you something, man, I don't know who

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Speaker 7: put that on, but I watch your show a lot.

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Speaker 5: You ask me questions, I'll give you answers.

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Speaker 7: That's why I came on during a critical part of

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Speaker 7: my of my week here, because I do respect you

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Speaker 7: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Tom.

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Speaker 1: It's great seeing your coach you too, man, See you later,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 3: Tom Izzo.

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Speaker 1: They got good guard play and they got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of juniors, they got older players. You go into the tournament,

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Speaker 1: there's like I was talking to somebody about this and

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Speaker 1: they said, the nil man the top is really good.

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Speaker 1: That's why I want to hear about tournament expansion. Might

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Speaker 1: take it. The bottom doesn't have a chance. Now you're

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Speaker 1: gonna add twenty teams.

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Speaker 3: What are we doing?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 1: I think Michigan State is one of eight teams, and

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Speaker 1: again you need breaks. Do they want to you know,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to face Florida right now. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: face Arizona right now. Dukes banged up, Michigan lost a player.

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Speaker 1: I think it's wide open.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, I heard this a lot yesterday. I want

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Speaker 3: to address this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'd rather have two first round picks

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Speaker 1: than Max Crosby. A little refresher course on why that's

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Speaker 1: not true.

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Speaker 5: Next The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and newone eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: App A third round pick to get a defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: decent player from the Cowboys, Matt Moseley, my buddy said,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting the Cowboys trade their best defensive players to

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Speaker 1: teams that always beat them in the playoffs. Micah Parsons

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Speaker 1: to the Packers and Osa to the Niners. I'll defend

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys on this. I just I want talent and

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Speaker 1: a GM's job is not. The whole grudge is a

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Speaker 1: worry about conference alignment. Remember the Lions and the Rams

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Speaker 1: swapped quarterback, same conference, both excellent quarterbacks. They've both done great.

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Speaker 1: So I'll defend the Cowboys on that. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can say what you want about moving Micah to the Packers,

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Speaker 1: but they got two firsts and Kenny Clark, and they

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Speaker 1: turned those first now into Kenny Clark Quinn Williams. Then

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Speaker 1: they make a deal for Rashawn Gary Damarion overshown will

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Speaker 1: be excellent. The Cowboys defensive front since getting rid of

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons is significantly better. So I don't care where

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Speaker 1: you send players. I would prefer if you're a Niner fan,

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Speaker 1: you don't want them sending them to the Rams, especially quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you know Max Crosby and the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: When the Ravens stepped up as an AFC team and

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Speaker 1: said we'll give you two firsts, take it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: So I want to speak about that because I've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot about this. Well, I would rather have two

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Speaker 1: first round pick than Max Crosby. So okay, first of all,

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby, I'm good stander, raider. He was in the

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Speaker 1: building at six am the following morning when the trade unraveled.

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Speaker 1: He's a raider, and he's going to give you ten

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Speaker 1: plus hits. He's going to give you ten plus sacks,

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Speaker 1: twenty five quarterback hits, twenty five hurries. Ride it in

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Speaker 1: the book, bank it. You're not getting that from anybody

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Speaker 1: in the first round. There are no pass rushers that elite.

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Speaker 1: So I'm getting absolute for the next two to three years.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting elite production. Just to give you some sense,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just talking first round picks. So when everybody said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have those first round picks, so let's go

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Speaker 1: to last year's first round.

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Speaker 3: Thirty two picks. Last year's first round.

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Speaker 1: There are only five players that I would identify today

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Speaker 1: as hits. Team Act the receiver for the Panthers and

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Speaker 1: Mecca Buka for the Bucks, Colston Lovelin for the Tyler,

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Speaker 1: Warren Colts, and Gray z Abel.

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Speaker 3: Those guys are hits.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are Pro Bowl level players now, they are

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Speaker 1: absolute hits. I think there's seven other guys that are

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Speaker 1: very promising that are ascending players. Jackson Dark, Tyler Booker,

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Speaker 1: Armond Membu, the Missouri lineman for the Jets, Will Campbell

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Speaker 1: didn't have a great Super Bowl, Mason Graham, Jalon Walker, Falcons,

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Speaker 1: and Malachi Stars. Those are very very good players, promising

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Speaker 1: holes in their game, not quite hits yet, but look

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Speaker 1: very good. That's twelve of thirty two picks. So you're

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Speaker 1: andre for the record, there could be late bloomers. There

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Speaker 1: could be somebody I'm missing here on the promising list,

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Speaker 1: but there's about twelve thirteen guys from last year's draft.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that works right now or very soon.

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Speaker 1: So Matt Hasselbeck also came on this week and said

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Speaker 1: there are there's value to Max Crosby beyond just the sacks.

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Speaker 11: Max Crosby has the respect of the NFL players, teammates, opponents, coaches, scouts, everybody.

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Speaker 11: And he's not a one trick pony, a lone of

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Speaker 11: these guys that come up with all these sacks. They're

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Speaker 11: they're great at rushing the passer, they're not great.

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Speaker 5: Against the run. This dude's the real deal in every way.

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Speaker 11: I mean, he's always at the top of the list, TFLs,

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Speaker 11: tackles for loss, in the run game. He's the real

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Speaker 11: deal in the run game, the pass game, on the field,

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Speaker 11: off the field, an identity cetter. You know, he's a dog.

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Speaker 1: Six drafts since Max Crosby was drafted, the Raiders have

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Speaker 1: only drafted one other Pro bowler and they've been drafting

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Speaker 1: at the top of the draft and only forty three percent.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy. Only forty three percent of first round

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Speaker 1: draft picks have signed with a team that drafted him

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Speaker 1: signed a second contract. So, like, it's folks, less than

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of these guys hit. So and I you know,

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Speaker 1: there's I mean, there are certain positions like wide receive

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Speaker 1: in the first round, tight ends in the first round,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of misses. Then there's other positions

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Speaker 1: like interior linemen. You know, offensive linemen in the first

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Speaker 1: round usually have some genetic advantages three to ten great

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Speaker 1: feet wide. Those guys usually hit. But you know, last year,

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Speaker 1: I mean you had a couple of receivers, a couple

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Speaker 1: tight ends, one great offensive linemen, maybe two. Those are

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Speaker 1: the only absolute hits so far. So I'll take Max Crosby,

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Speaker 1: who I think is a culture center, a dog respected.

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Speaker 1: And the Raiders are so young with eleven picks this year,

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Speaker 1: they're only going to get younger. I need somebody with

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Speaker 1: a little gray, just a little j Mack. You're looking

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Speaker 1: at that bore anybody else, anybody else I miss in

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Speaker 1: the first round.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a star.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you nailed the right ones.

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Speaker 8: But what's interesting is if you look on the hits list,

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Speaker 8: all of those teams colin were either a playoff team

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Speaker 8: or they were close to contending.

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Speaker 2: The Colts were close.

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Speaker 8: The Bucks I think lost in the final week of

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Speaker 8: the season. So that's a huge win to get close

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Speaker 8: to the playoffs with your first round pick in year one.

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Speaker 8: Now extrapolate that over the next three years and then

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Speaker 8: you really see the growth.

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Speaker 3: And that's why.

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Speaker 8: And I know you like Crosby, you got a soft

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Speaker 8: spot for him. He's a talented player. But would I

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Speaker 8: rather have two first round picks than next Crosby being

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Speaker 8: awesome for the next two years. Of course, it's not

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Speaker 8: even close first round pick. You're looking at the next

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Speaker 8: five years because you've got him on the rookie deal,

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Speaker 8: and all you got to do is hit one of

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Speaker 8: those two and you get a longer runway.

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Speaker 3: Well, you've got to be.

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Speaker 1: A successful You're almost guaranteed. I mean, Fernando Mendoza is

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Speaker 1: about as safe as a number one pick gets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's gotta get Clint Kubiak, Yeah, Bowers, Gen Colton, Miller,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum. It would be hard to envision Fernando Mendoza

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Speaker 1: doing a face plant in the.

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Speaker 3: First three year.

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Speaker 1: He looks like they've set him up like the Bears

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Speaker 1: did with Ben Johnson and Drew Dolman and Joe Toney.

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Speaker 1: They've set him up to have some level of success

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Speaker 1: very early. Johnny Manziel showing up today h