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Speaker 1: It's time to break down the xs and ohs on

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Speaker 1: Giants Rewind, but with Carl Banks on New York Giants Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Giants Rewind on Giants dot

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Speaker 1: Com and the Giants Mobile app. I'm John Schmilk. As

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Speaker 1: you might have guessed by the title, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: the one and only Carl Banks. Or remind you that

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Speaker 1: this is available on all your favorite podcast platforms. Find it,

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Speaker 1: subscribe at it to your favorites, and leave a positive

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Speaker 1: review if you're an Apple podcast. If you're so inclined, Carl,

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Speaker 1: Giants fall by six of the hours under Cardinals a

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Speaker 1: nip and tuck game throughout and when you look back

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Speaker 1: at it, between penalties, turnovers, missed field goals, some drop passes,

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Speaker 1: some poor communication on protection, the Giants just made too

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Speaker 1: many mistakes to come out of this game with a win. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I think that sums it up, John. We actually

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Speaker 1: don't even have to do this. You just summed it

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Speaker 1: up perfectly. Um. You know, teams that are kind of

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Speaker 1: on that fringe of being a good football team but

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Speaker 1: don't do enough good things to actually manifest that. Those

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Speaker 1: are the things that happen until you can eliminate the penalties, UM,

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Speaker 1: eliminate the turnovers, and make the plays that you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to make. UM, you're gonna always be that team that

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Speaker 1: didn't do enough to win, came close, didn't do enough

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Speaker 1: to win. And then you get to sit and film

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Speaker 1: and talk about in hindsight, how boy, we played so

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Speaker 1: well if we would have only done X, Y and Z. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the X Y and Z shows up every week. Then

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Speaker 1: the other letter in there is probably going to be

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Speaker 1: an l A couple of specific situations I want to

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Speaker 1: this game. One drive to me that not a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have talked about because there wasn't anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: no big turnovers or anything. And then on on that

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Speaker 1: particular drive, but the Johnitor downstay and seen fourteen. They

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Speaker 1: got the ball back with five minutes to go to

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Speaker 1: go in the first half, and they moved the ball down.

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Speaker 1: They get the ball all the way down to Arizona's

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Speaker 1: thirty one yard line. They have a second and four

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Speaker 1: and over the course of that drive, Carl, you had

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Speaker 1: a drop by Benny Fowler. You had a long run

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Speaker 1: by Sae Kwon Barkley that got called back. By an

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Speaker 1: offensive holding. You had Evan Ingram dropping a deep pass

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Speaker 1: down the right sideline, and then on a third and

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Speaker 1: the play prior, by the way Sae Kwon Barkley turned

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Speaker 1: a two yard lost into a six yard lost by

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Speaker 1: running backwards. Then on a third and tent that you

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Speaker 1: don't convert Mike Grammer's holds, it pushes you back ten

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Speaker 1: more yards, and then you're at a field goal range.

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Speaker 1: So you're looking at four or five mistakes on just

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Speaker 1: one drive that probably took three points at least off

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Speaker 1: the board there, and it's a six point game at

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Speaker 1: the end. Those are the type of things that come

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Speaker 1: back and get you. Well, they certainly are. Mh. Just

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Speaker 1: like you said, John, it's big play, drop ball, drop ball,

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Speaker 1: big play, penalty, and then all of a sudden you're

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Speaker 1: out of range like you're driving. You're right there, you're ready,

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Speaker 1: But think about that. The same thing happened last week.

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Speaker 1: They come out the second half, they moved the ball

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Speaker 1: down and then they as a turnover. This time they

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Speaker 1: moved the ball down UM similar down by a touchdown. UM.

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Speaker 1: This week they moved the ball down and then self

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Speaker 1: inflicted wounds give them out of scoring range. So in

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Speaker 1: order for you to be a team UM that wins

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Speaker 1: these type of games, you've got to do the little things,

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Speaker 1: and attention to detail is super duper important, UM when

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Speaker 1: you have opportunity and you're not good enough to recover

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Speaker 1: turnovers and you're not gonna have many games, Carl, where

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Speaker 1: you're MIGHTUS three in the turnover ratio and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: turn around, you're gonna win. There was an interception, There

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Speaker 1: are a couple sack fumbles in the game, and those

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Speaker 1: are the type of things. And if you watch Carl's

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Speaker 1: play breakdown that we're going to post online at some

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Speaker 1: point on Monday, he talks about this, Carl, where you

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Speaker 1: have the mistakes of a young quarterback, but also the

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Speaker 1: then there are things that says, Okay, the kid's gonna

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Speaker 1: it and he doesn't want to make the fumbles. Nobody does,

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Speaker 1: but boy, he's got to make it a priority now

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Speaker 1: because it's the thing every team thinks they can do

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Speaker 1: to strip him. He has ball security issues. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I say, as a rookie, you haven't seen everything until

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Speaker 1: you've seen it the first time. So he's seeing a

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Speaker 1: lot of things the first time. But the one thing

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Speaker 1: so that he should have to be able to protect.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny we see the great touchdown on throw

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Speaker 1: he threw into a defensive team meeting by waiting and

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Speaker 1: waiting for it to come open. But as he's waiting,

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Speaker 1: gotta he's got a fine tune what he's seeing. But

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Speaker 1: it's really just inconsistent call, call call, because we are

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Speaker 1: seeing in other situations. He threw a hot route behind

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Speaker 1: the corner blitz that was really nice. They put six,

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Speaker 1: he got rid of the ball out. So we're seeing

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Speaker 1: him make the right decisions at times, just other times

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Speaker 1: he doesn't. Yeah, but that's that's the perils of a

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Speaker 1: let's let's go to the last final drives call because

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Speaker 1: the offensive line Uh, they didn't have their best game

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Speaker 1: they played well enough to win until you got to

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Speaker 1: those final two possessions for the Giants, and then things

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Speaker 1: So you know, when you make up your mind that

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Speaker 1: and you you set your mind to it, there should

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Speaker 1: be a caveat that says if we get more than

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Speaker 1: six yards, we're going for it. Um. But the decision

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Speaker 1: was made. You get three yards. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: scrimmage by the quarterback. He saw the soft too shell

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Speaker 1: safety and he went into the third and eighteen ran

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Speaker 1: the game situation, this is your your chance to either

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Speaker 1: you don't make it. So third and eighteen you get three,

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Speaker 1: it's fourth and fifteen. I think strategically you're better off hunting.

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Speaker 1: But the coach had it called and he went for

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Speaker 1: it and it didn't work. Um, he said he had

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Speaker 1: and I say, you know, all coaches reserved the right to,

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Speaker 1: And then in terms of protection on those final two drives,

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Speaker 1: sure if that is a Patrick Peterson play per se,

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Speaker 1: but it looked like one of those deals where Barkley

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Speaker 1: It's simple math. And they did a great job to

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Speaker 1: communication issue. All right, let's talk. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Early in the game, the

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Speaker 1: seemed to settle down a little bit. They score twice

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Speaker 1: I just don't think the Giants did a good job

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