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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hanging Welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck

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Speaker 2: and Jerry's hanging with us too, and it's Stuff you

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Speaker 2: should Know. And we're headed west and yeah that's so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we're recording on the Golden gate Bridge.

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Speaker 1: I guess this is like two weeks wow, two weeks

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Speaker 1: to the day, I think, what from our live show

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Speaker 1: in the city of San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: That's true because it's the fifteenth in our show's on

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: That's right on a rare Thursday, oh show. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh by the way too, I meant to mention, and

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Speaker 1: I hope this is okay with you. I got booked

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Speaker 1: to do a show on Friday, and I haven't mentioned

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Speaker 1: that to people, but on Friday, I will be performing

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Speaker 1: in the Hanging with Doctor z show.

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Speaker 2: Do you know Doctor Zayas?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you know about this?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, I don't know anything.

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Speaker 1: This is the one in which comedian Dana gould Is.

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Speaker 1: He owns a professional like full blown doctor Zais costume

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Speaker 1: and he's been doing this for years and it's like

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Speaker 1: a talk show with him as the host. Is doctor Zaiahs.

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Speaker 1: So I'm on that and I'm very excited because not

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Speaker 1: only is Janet Varney and it co founder of sketch

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Speaker 1: Fest and dear friend, but Dave Foley. I get to

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Speaker 1: be on stage with a kid in the hall.

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Speaker 2: What and man, that's going to be amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the great Andy Daly. So if anyone wants

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Speaker 1: to see that on Friday night, just go to the

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Speaker 1: sketch Fest website and check it out. I think it's

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Speaker 1: at kind of one of the small comedy.

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Speaker 2: Clubs, do you know? Okay, so it's it a comedy club.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one where I did movie Crush one year.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it.

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Speaker 2: Though, Well do you remember how to find your way

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Speaker 2: back there? Though?

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Speaker 1: I hope so.

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Speaker 2: I hope so too. That's awesome, man, congrats, and yes,

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Speaker 2: I second that everybody should go see it. You're in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco or not, because I'm sure that's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can come. I imagine you'll be

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Speaker 1: on a plane home huh yeah. Yeah all right, but

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the invite. I'll be there in spirit supporting you.

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Speaker 2: You text me immediately after and be like it was

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Speaker 2: a triumph or no, it won't be anything but a triumph.

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Speaker 1: Alright. So Golden Gate Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why we started talking about California and San

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Speaker 2: Francisco in the first place. Because if you don't bother

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Speaker 2: to look at the titles of episodes and you just

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Speaker 2: let it roll one end of the other. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about in this episode, the Golden Gate Bridge.

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Speaker 2: There's a pretty good chance you know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: It's often named as the most photographed bridge in the world.

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Speaker 2: I could believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my second favorite. What's your first Brooklyn bridge? Man?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's got to be to bb Okay, all right,

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Speaker 2: all right, what about you. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that I have a favorite bridge. I kind of

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Speaker 2: like the ones that look like sailboats. There's a few

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are nice. A Tower Bridge in London is

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Speaker 1: also quite magnificent.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and then I'm gonna sound so obnoxious, But in Budapest.

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Speaker 1: It's not obnoxious.

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Speaker 2: No, just being like, what's your favorite bridge? Oh, mine's

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Speaker 2: in Budapest. No, but they have I think seven different

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Speaker 2: Buddha to Pest, right, And it really is like a

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Speaker 2: and they're just different. It's cool.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I forgot about that well. Also, I mean,

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Speaker 2: So back to the Golden Gate. It's also, Chuck, one

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Speaker 2: So it's a well regarded bridge. And if you've always

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Speaker 2: wondered or always thought like, hey, I guess the Golden

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Speaker 1: That's right, because Golden Gate very much predates the construction

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna make like a horse sound while you

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Speaker 2: tell the story, so this guy will be riding a horse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you got two ads of coconuts and you're banging

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Speaker 1: them together. Eighteen forty six. This is the Mexican American wartime.

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Speaker 1: And he named that boy, you're really doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: And he named that mile wide strait that connects the

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Speaker 1: Oh no, there he goes off into the sunset. I

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Speaker 1: guess chrysophile which means Golden Gate. And later on, rather

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Speaker 1: that passage was called the Golden Gate.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So this is the bridge over the Golden Gate.

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Speaker 1: Right, did you know that? No? Not, I was yesterday

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Speaker 2: Say, yep. So yeah. And the Golden Gate in particular

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Speaker 2: it's like three hundred feet deep right there, but on

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Speaker 2: So people were like, we've got to get here to there.

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Speaker 2: after the Gold Rush of eighteen forty nine, they were like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jack, that ferry was expensive, man. Yeah. They

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Speaker 2: And they gave you saltines and grape kool aid. That

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Speaker 2: That's what I had in nursery school. It's actually a

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Speaker 1: And that was pretty good, especially if you're in church

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Speaker 2: So oh, there was finally one called up the Princess.

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Speaker 2: the first official ferry that happened at eighteen sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: But that guy Charles Crocker, all the way back in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was much more in line with what the

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Speaker 2: Joseph Strauss, he became the central figure of the Golden

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Speaker 1: Right, don't smoke it yet though, right.

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Speaker 2: No, no, don't don't spark it. But he enlisted a

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Speaker 2: guy named Charles Ellis, who is like the I don't

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Speaker 2: know how you would describe him. I can't think of

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Speaker 2: an analogous movie character, but I feel like we can

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They got this guy named Andrew C. Lawson. He's

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Speaker 2: beneath them in coordination with that person. He was a

438
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: geologist and he basically took to test the bedrock. He

439
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure how he did it, but he

440
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: put the equivalent of a railroad box car fully loaded

441
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: that amount of weight and force onto a twenty square

442
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: inch area and it held up fine. Something it is.

443
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: I could not find out how he did that exactly.

444
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: It's just such a spectacular way to put it that

445
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: I guess everyone's like, no one cares what actually happened.

446
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just tell me he did it.

447
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: And then he put on an old timey diving suit

448
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: and diving bell and went down to the bedrock and

449
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: hit it with a hammer. And apparently if it makes

450
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: this sound like a dinging sound, that's what you're looking for,

451
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: because not only is it strong, but it's also flexible,

452
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 2: which is going to come in handy whenever the San

453
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: Andreas gives California the big one, the eight point six

454
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: magnitude earthquake that everyone says is inevitably coming someday.

455
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. In order to ensure that, you know, stability,

456
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: they had workers dive ninety feet down to put explosives

457
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: down to blast out even more rock so they could

458
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: go even deeper. They had to get rid of those

459
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: fragments to even get out to that tower. You know,

460
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: they have all these materials, so a lot of big

461
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: construction like this is constructing things so you can do

462
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: the construction. And that was the case here. So they

463
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: had to build a road basically on a trestle just

464
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: to get out to that tower, and then they had

465
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Speaker 1: to protect this thing from like being bumped into by

466
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Speaker 1: a ship.

467
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you look at the concrete foundations that the

468
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: towers are built on, you'll notice that they're like oval

469
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: and those were designed to basically act as fenders, kind

470
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: of like if you play bumper bowling. Okay, it's basically

471
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: like that, and imagine the bowling ball is a ship

472
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: that's being captained by somebody who's not paying attention. Huh,

473
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: probably on his phone. Yeah, yeah, and they will hit

474
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: that fender, the bumper, and it will keep them from

475
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: running into the actual tower itself, and because of the

476
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: oval shape, hopefully kind of push the ship away from

477
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: the fender itself.

478
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the captain says, what was that? Yeah, they weren't.

479
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: I think they said it looked like a giant bathtub

480
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: is what they referred to it. But you know, they

481
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: filled that thing once it was peaking above the surface,

482
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: partially with concrete, pumped out the water, reinforced it with steel,

483
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: more concrete, and all of a sudden, you've got a

484
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: protected tower with that that Billiard's bumper bowl. Bumper bowl?

485
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: Is that what you called it?

486
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: Bumper bowling?

487
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought you were talking about like bumper.

488
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no, bumper bowling where they put those guard rails down

489
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: in the gutters.

490
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went bowling last week and Ruby still uses those.

491
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: I do too. Sometimes I can still manage to miss

492
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: pins bumper bowling.

493
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: But oh okay, I thought you might just roll a

494
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: gutter balls like man who can't.

495
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: No, I think even bumper bowling, I can miss the pins. Still.

496
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: I did the usual. I know I've mentioned this before,

497
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: but with bowling usually for and I think the other

498
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: day I hit like a like a one forty and

499
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: then like a seventy.

500
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Are those good?

501
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean for someone who doesn't bowl much, I feel

502
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: like is a pretty strong number.

503
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: Is that, dude? Or heyesus level good?

504
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: Oh?

505
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: No?

506
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: No, No, like three hundred is a perfect game. Uh,

507
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: But I mean one forty means you've hit plenty of

508
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: strikes and spares and probably had a good last frame out.

509
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what they call it, but

510
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: seventy is bad. My whole point was, though, is I'm

511
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: good for one game? And then my my game really

512
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: drops off.

513
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: Okay, well, were you junk by the second game?

514
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I had I had but

515
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: one beer, a PBR draft. It was delicious.

516
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sometimes those are the best ones, that really

517
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: crowdy ones.

518
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't do that much anymore, but it was super

519
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: refreshing and delicious.

520
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: Great.

521
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Chuck goes bowling.

522
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah and PBR uh huh. So you want to take

523
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: a break.

524
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we're there already. Let's do it.

525
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: Okay, so Chuck, they've got the foundation poured. That's a

526
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: nice fender a bumper around the towers. Apparently, once they

527
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: got that foundation done, they erected the South Tower, which

528
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: was the more difficult of the two towers, the one

529
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: closest to San Francisco. They erected it in like six months,

530
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: which is really amazing, especially as you find like that

531
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: added up. That was not an anomaly for this project,

532
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: that kept like hitting milestones ahead of time, and that

533
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: used quite a bit of steel thanks to Bethlehem Steel

534
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Corporation of Pennsylvania. And as we know from our Christmas episode,

535
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: the reason it is Bethlehem, Pennsylvania is thanks to our

536
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: Moravian friends who moved there in the eighteenth cents.

537
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: Right New Jersey chips into gott gotta shout out New

538
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Jersey for sure.

539
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: I don't believe the Moravians had much to do with

540
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: naming New Jersey.

541
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no, But as far as the steel goes.

542
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, And so Bethlehem Steel provided forty four thousand

543
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: tons of steel for each tower. That was each tower,

544
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: and this is not like a quick thing. They prefabricated them,

545
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: put them on a barge, and then sent them to

546
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: San Francisco, down the East coast, passed Florida, through the

547
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: Panama Canal, and then up to San Francisco. That's how

548
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: every single piece of steel, fabricated steel made its way

549
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: to the Golden Gate project.

550
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, via the Panama Canal. They get there,

551
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: they obviously use these giant cranes to lit these steel

552
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: sections into place and start kind of just putting this

553
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: thing together like a kit. At this point, and at

554
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: this point they haven't even you know. Eventually they had

555
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: temporary elevators built so people could get up and down quicker.

556
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: But before that it would take a worker twenty minutes

557
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: just to climb a ladder. I can't imagine how terrifying

558
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: that would be just to be climbing a ladder that high,

559
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: that takes twenty minutes to climb. But that's how it

560
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: got to the top. And then we get to the color.

561
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Like we mentioned before, it's not named Golden gate Bridge

562
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: because of the color, because it's really not golden in color.

563
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: It got there, like we said, prefab then it was

564
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: painted with an orange just red lead primer just to

565
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: kind of make sure it made the journey there okay,

566
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: without getting rusted out. And once it got there, consulting

567
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: architect Irving Morrow said, man, that looks pretty darn good. Everybody,

568
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: what do you think? And everyone went bully bully, And

569
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: so they started searching for sort of related colors and

570
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: ended up landing on what is now known is Golden

571
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: gate Bridge International. Orange.

572
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: I would have kept my mouth shup, but I would

573
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: have been looking around, like you guys think that looks good.

574
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: That's the color we're going.

575
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: To paint the mean to green personally, but.

576
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: Okay. So one of the things that is great about

577
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: that particular color orange, And I think one of the

578
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: reasons people said bully for it was because it didn't.

579
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: It didn't well, it harmonized with the surrounding area. It's nice,

580
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: hilly shrubby it like. It was a good choice for

581
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: sure for that, and I think it also kind of

582
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: placated a lot of people too there like that actually

583
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: kind of goes with everything. It doesn't stick out like

584
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: a sore thumb. So it was a good idea, and

585
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: that International orange is still used today. You can thank

586
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: International orange for the color of your life vest if

587
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: it's orange.

588
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: That's right. That is just regular International orange. The golden

589
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: gate bridge International orange is a little different. It's like

590
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: a variation on that, but like you said, it blended

591
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: in well. And it also did you know, the job

592
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: that it was really supposed to do was stand out

593
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: for ships and boats there in the fog. Rejected colors

594
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: included silver, black, and then black and yellow, which was

595
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: suggested by the US Navy, like you know, stripe, black

596
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: and yellow, because that was the best color for visibility

597
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: to them.

598
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: It's the best color for Christian metal too.

599
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: That's right. It's funny because I can that striper. This

600
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: stuff looks so good, but I can't picture a bridge

601
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: in yellow and black stripe. It just looks too safety industrial,

602
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, or cliffs nose? Yeah, yeah, true.

603
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: Didn't the dude, the drummer from Striper have black and

604
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: yellow striped drum sticks? Even?

605
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: I think he had a black and yellow striped everything,

606
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean.

607
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I see he had a black and yellow stripe Gnomon.

608
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: Let's keep going, boy, that's good, all right? So Marrow

609
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: we mentioned Irving Morrow. He's the consulting architect who said, like,

610
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: I'd like this color. He also obviously played a part

611
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: in a lot of the aesthetic aesthetic aesthetic decisions. That's tough,

612
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: good band name, but also bad esthetic. No one could

613
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: ever say it, are you going to see tonight? The

614
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: aesthetic decisions. One of the things that he designed aesthetically

615
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: was to make it look a little taller. Was those

616
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: tower panels decrease in size from bottom to top. Pretty

617
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: good idea, yep.

618
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: And the well I guess Lawson was like, let's do this,

619
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: and let's add a little bit of this and maybe

620
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: put bows on the top kind of thing. Strauss, who

621
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: again is the man at the center of all of this,

622
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: he was way ahead of his time as far as

623
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: safety goes. Apparently, the Golden Project was the first one

624
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: that required hard hats on site, which is not fairly ubiquitous.

625
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, good little fact.

626
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then he also created a safety net that

627
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: was movable, so I think the people who were in

628
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: the highest risk of falling to their deaths got to

629
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: use the safety net while they were up their work.

630
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and use it they did, because that thing ended

631
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: up saving the lives of nineteen construction workers. They became

632
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: known that those nineteen became known as the Halfway to

633
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Hell Club, which is pretty funny in a way. But

634
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: there were some deaths. In February thirty seven, scaffolding collapsed

635
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: due to an accident, thirteen men on it. The net failed,

636
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and ten of them died. But in the end, eleven

637
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: people died from this project, which is pretty good. I mean,

638
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: it's awful that eleven people died. But for the time,

639
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: they would say, like for every million dollars of a project,

640
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: you can expect one death, And this thing came in

641
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: at like thirty five million or so, so they expected,

642
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, thirty to forty deaths and there were only eleven.

643
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: So that was that was I guess a win for

644
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: safety for the time at least.

645
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I find that a really strange rule

646
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: of thumb. For every million spent, you can expect to death. Like,

647
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: I guess what that's based on is just the complexity

648
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: increases by the price. I may're the height something.

649
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably just that means it's it's big and difficult

650
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: and complex. I think you're right, But it's definitely the

651
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: only thing the way to calculate something, it really is.

652
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's thirty four people dead in one person's like,

653
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: how much is this bridge going cost?

654
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: You?

655
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: Like thirty five? And you're in.

656
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: There's cost overruns and you know what that means.

657
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: So they completed the towers, both towers in nineteen thirty five.

658
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: Remember they started this whole thing. I think they started

659
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: building that temporary roadway to the first foundation in nineteen

660
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: thirty one. They're moving along, and after the towers would complete,

661
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: it was time to create those four iconic cables that

662
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: are the actual things that hold up the road deck.

663
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: The bridge itself. The point of the bridge is held

664
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: up by these cables. And if you see one of

665
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: those cables in person, you will find that it is

666
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: three feet one meter thirty six inches. Let's see, do

667
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: it three hundred centimeters in. Let's see, it would be

668
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: a third of a decameter in width or in diameter,

669
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: and it's actually made of twenty five thousand wires. Each

670
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: of those cables are all twisted together.

671
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to get that done, they hired John A.

672
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Roebling's son's company is the name of the company, and

673
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: they had worked on the Brooklyn Bridge, so they were

674
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: obviously great people to call for that. But like you said,

675
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: I think you said it was completed ahead of schedule.

676
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: This was April nineteenth, nineteen thirty seven, about a million

677
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: three under the thirty five million dollar budget. Just a

678
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: little housekeeping here. It's one point seven miles long, ninety

679
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: feet wide, holds six lanes of traffic, two sidewalks, seven

680
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: hundred and forty six foot high towers, with the main

681
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: span between them being forty two hundred feet and at

682
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: his midpoint the span hangs two hundred and sixty five

683
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: feet above the average height of the water below. And

684
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: people were really excited to get on this thing.

685
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: They were an opening day. The first day they let

686
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: pedestrians across, the next day was cars, and at the

687
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: grand opening. I think this kind of gets across the

688
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: type of person Joseph strausswa he read a poem that

689
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: he wrote for the day, and he was a poet,

690
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: so it's not bad. I like the rhythm of it.

691
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: The meter sure is that correct?

692
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so.

693
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: I would say go look it up and read it yourself.

694
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read it. But it's called the

695
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: Mighty Task is done by Joseph Strauss. The thing that

696
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: bothers me, Aside from a couple of clunky lines, he

697
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: says essentially like that all the people who are involved

698
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: of this are glorified and that no selfish urge stains

699
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: its life, no envy, greed, intrigue or strife. And I'm like, dude,

700
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: he specifically didn't mention Ellis, Charles Ellis at this whole thing,

701
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: and then he goes to the he has the audacity

702
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: to say that that's not being done here at this

703
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: grand ceremony.

704
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they built a Trellis so you had a

705
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: word there in the bag.

706
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: That's right, good point, Chuck Man.

707
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't know about Strauss, now, Yeah.

708
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: He's not really talked about like that from what I

709
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: can tell, I just kind of put this together from

710
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: different different places. But there's a there's a bronze statue

711
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: of him in Golden Gate Park, I think, and there's

712
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: books about him and his amazing feet, And it's just

713
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: I don't like people like that who take full credit

714
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: for something that yeah, hundreds or thousands of people have

715
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: done and that they did, like backbiting along the way

716
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: with it. It's just I don't like people like that.

717
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you. He actually had a Trellis line. He

718
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: was like, what rhymes with trellis? Hmm? I got nothing?

719
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he scratched it out.

720
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Like Ellis is outside the window holding up a sign.

721
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: The math checks out.

722
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: I saw that. No one can say for certain whether

723
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: Ellis ever saw the Golden Gate Bridge himself. I'm sure

724
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: sure that he went and saw it at some point,

725
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: because he died decade or two, yeah, a good decade

726
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: after it opened, So I would guess unless he had

727
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: like a horrible aversion at just the thought of the bridge,

728
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: I'll bet he went and visited it.

729
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you're right. So we can compare it

730
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: to other suspension bridges in a few ways, because I

731
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: think that's fairly interesting. It's got a lighter roadway than most,

732
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it does not have train tracks on it, but it

733
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: seems like that was one of the original ideas, is

734
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: they wanted a train to be able to run across

735
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: that thing. But they realized that the winds were a

736
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: real problem in nineteen forty after the to Come Up

737
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: Narrows Bridge disaster, and they saw those things in forty

738
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: mile an hour winds twisting around. They're like, we need

739
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: to cause we get winds up to like seventy five

740
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: miles an hour, so we need to stiffen this thing up.

741
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: So they added horizontal trusses to stiffen the structure against twisting,

742
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: and that's what brought the total weight of the deck

743
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: too high, basically to where they could not end up

744
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: putting railroad tracks down.

745
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: No, like they were close to the limit of it.

746
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I guess right, yeah, I couldn't do it, Okay.

747
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: So the Golden Gate it was the longest suspension bridge

748
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: until nineteen sixty four when the Arizona Narrows took over

749
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: that for a while. And like we said, there's Golden

750
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Gate Park that predates the bridge, but Golden Gate National

751
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: Record Creation Area was created on either side of the

752
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: bridge after the bridge was already around for a while,

753
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: and there's some pretty neat things about it. One of

754
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: the things we remember, we talked about how people were

755
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: worried about earthquakes. Well, it actually survived the Loma Prieta earthquake,

756
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty nine earthquake that took place when the

757
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: A's and the Giants were playing each other in the

758
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: World Series and just killed a lot of people. The

759
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: Bay Bridge apparently a section of that collapsed and the

760
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: Golden Gate survived with no damage whatsoever from when I

761
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: could tell her, very little of it.

762
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good there. And this is something I heard

763
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: early on in my life was that the Golden Gate

764
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: Bridge basically is in constant paint mode basically, so like

765
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: it's always being painted apparently, like it takes so long

766
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: to paint and sort of you know, take care of

767
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: the corrosion because of all that salty fog and salty

768
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: air and water. Right, just it never stops. It's not like,

769
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: all right, we're done and we're going to take a

770
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: few months off. It's continuously being kept up.

771
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. And one other thing about the earthquake thing, they

772
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: somebody at some point figured out that the San Andreas

773
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: could produce at most of eight point six magnitude earthquake,

774
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: and then they went and figured out that the Golden

775
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: Gate would probably not be able to withstand that. So

776
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: they started, I think back in well after the Loma

777
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: Prieta earthquake in nineteen eighty nine, they started a bit

778
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: of a retro fit to try to make it earthquake

779
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: proof up to eight point six magnitude. And one of

780
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: the things that they were having to shore up Chuck

781
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: was that they didn't bolt the towers to the foundation

782
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: because they're like, these are so heavy, we don't even

783
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: need to waste the time or money on bolts. And

784
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: an eight point six earthquake, they realized if you stay

785
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: in stiffly with your leg stiff and then you kind

786
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: of fall to the side and one of your feet

787
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: comes off the ground. When you go back to center again,

788
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: your feet comes down, and imagine one of the towers

789
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: doing that when it comes back down on that foundation.

790
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: They're like, that foundation is not going to hold that up. Yeah,

791
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: so that's what they're trying to retrofit. Now.

792
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big footstomp, is what they said for sure.

793
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: So we have to close now with some sort of

794
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: darker stuff because the Golden Gate bridge, if it's known for.

795
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: It's known for many things, but one thing it's very

796
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: much known for is that there have been many many

797
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: suicides attempted and completed over the years. They averaged about

798
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: twenty per year for a very long time. Hundreds of

799
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: others had been stopped by obviously volunteers that are stationed

800
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: there to watch for this sort of thing. Bridge workers, cops,

801
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: sometimes just random people like you see in a movie.

802
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: And they took a very long time to eventually get

803
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: a safety net, even though it was possible. They really

804
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: dragged their feet getting that thing up, didn't they.

805
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw that there was an opposition to it

806
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: that included it will be ugly.

807
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, so.

808
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: Every I think since the first guy who died by

809
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: suicide's name was Harold Waber. He was walking on the

810
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: bridge all the way back, just like a few months

811
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: after it opened, and he was walking with a friend.

812
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: He said, this is as far as I go, and

813
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: he became the first person to jump to his death

814
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: from the bridge. That was in nineteen thirty seven.

815
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a thing, What a last line, you know?

816
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine being that friend and being like wait what

817
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: and then yeah, yeah, I can't imagine that since then

818
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: at least two thousand people, maybe a little more, probably more,

819
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: because I think they assume that there's plenty of people

820
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: who have jumped and their bodies were never found. But

821
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: at least two thousand confirmed people have jumped to their

822
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: deaths from the Golden gate Bridge. And in nineteen ninety five,

823
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: the California Highway Patrol, which had been keeping an official count,

824
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: stop their official count at nine hundred and ninety seven

825
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: because they were worried that there was going to be

826
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: a rash of suicides to become the one thousandth person

827
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: to die by suicide by jumping off the Golden gate Bridge.

828
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: So officially the count's nine and ninety seven, but I

829
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: think most credible sources put it at over two thousand.

830
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, and what a thing to think about, What

831
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: an awful thing to consider. But like, thank god they

832
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: thought of something like that, because they're.

833
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: Probably right, you know what the security net.

834
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: No, the stopping the public count, because oh yeah, you know,

835
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: I would never have thought of something like that, So

836
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad they thought of that. There was a really,

837
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what to call it, interesting and awful

838
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: documentary from two thousand and six called the bridge. I

839
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: saw it. I'm not sure did you see that one? Yeah,

840
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot to it. It was you know, the

841
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: point was to drive awareness about this and about suicide

842
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: and suicide prevention. But it was very controversial in that

843
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: they captured footage. They had cameras you know, trained on

844
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: the bridge from the mountains nearby, and they captured footage

845
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: of twenty three suicides, including a survivor, and they you know,

846
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: filmed family members and interviewed one about their loved ones.

847
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: It's very moving and upsetting documentary from when did I say,

848
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and six?

849
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so Yeah. That definitely raised public awareness

850
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: and kind of I think amplified the public outcry about

851
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: this and made people be like, wait, we probably should

852
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: do something about this, because twenty to thirty people a

853
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 2: year were taking their own lives at this time. Right.

854
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: They finally, finally in twoenty the beginning of twenty twenty four,

855
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 2: they finished putting up these safety nets essentially that stick

856
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: out from the side of the bridge, so that if

857
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: you jump off the side of the bridge, you're going

858
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: to land in the steel net. The whole thing costs

859
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty four million dollars and completed suicides

860
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: dropped by seventy three percent. Yeah, after they were installed.

861
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: And even more amazing than that, I think there were

862
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: two hundred attempts and thirty completed suicides a year on

863
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: average after the nets were installed. That fell to one

864
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two and eight in twenty twenty four,

865
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: and there were no suicides in the last seven months

866
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. So these nets are actually preventing

867
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: people from completing suicide and also deterring people from attempting

868
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: suicide there.

869
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, they've done studies where they've interviewed

870
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: people who did survive. Most of them don't ever try again,

871
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: which is like very encouraging to know. I think there

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Speaker 1: was a study in the nineteen seventies by a guy

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Speaker 1: named Richard Sidon, and he followed up on five hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen people who had been stopped These aren't people

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Speaker 1: who jumped and survived, but they were stopped from jumping

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Speaker 1: in the thirty five years prior to the study, and

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Speaker 1: he found that only thirty five of the five point

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Speaker 1: fifteen went on to die by suicide. So that's really

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Speaker 1: great to know that if you can be an EMT

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Speaker 1: or a police officer or a random passer by who

881
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: can get someone out of that dire situation that there's

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Speaker 1: a very very good chance that will be not something

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Speaker 1: they go on to complete.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned those volunteers that are stationed along

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Speaker 2: the bridge just for that very purpose. I would wager

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Speaker 2: that there's at least one stuff you should know a

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Speaker 2: listener who does that, and I would love to hear

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Speaker 2: from them.

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Speaker 1: I bet you're right. And I hope someone comes to

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Speaker 1: our live show and stands up at the end and

891
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Speaker 1: tells everybody that they do that. I bet you that happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they will get thunderous applause. That's right. I feel

893
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Speaker 2: like we should end on a high note. And the

894
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Speaker 2: high note is the Golden Gate Bridge was where James

895
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: Bond successfully defeated Christopher Walkin saving Tanya Roberts in The Bargain.

896
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Speaker 1: That's right of you to a kill.

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Speaker 2: Probably the best bomb movie ever.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, interesting, All right.

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Speaker 2: I mean that was the one I grew up on,

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Speaker 2: so that's probably why I like that. But there's no

901
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Speaker 2: kid who grew up on like The Living Daylights and

902
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: was like, that's.

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Speaker 1: The good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Chuck said, good stuff, which is where I was trying

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Speaker 2: to push him because that unlocks the listener mail.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is a chance to plug friends of

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Speaker 1: the show here. Hey, guys, just finished the episode on

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Speaker 1: the radio, the national radio Quiet Zone. Found it very

909
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: fascinating and by the way, we got a few emails

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00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: from people pointing this out. I want to reach out

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Speaker 1: with a recommendation of one of the McElroy pods. The

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Speaker 1: maclroy brothers, Justin Griffin and Travis McElroy have long done

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Speaker 1: my brother, my brother and me and I've known those

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Speaker 1: guys for a long time. Super cool dudes. And then

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Speaker 1: they do a show with their dad called The adventure Zone,

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00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: which is where they play D and D and that's

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Speaker 1: become hugely popular.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, man, Yeah, it's super cool.

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Speaker 1: But the second season of Adventure Zone is called Amnesty,

920
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: and it is well, it's a tabletop role playing game,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's always D and D,

922
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Speaker 1: but Griffin has said it in the Green Bank area,

923
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: so the folks in that area that it attracts and

924
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Speaker 1: the lack of communication is a plot device and really

925
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: drives a story. It's one of my favorites that they've done,

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Speaker 1: I hold stuff you dealing with my heart. Thanks for

927
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Speaker 1: doing what you do. And ps, I loved hearing a

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Speaker 1: few of the macarroys on Movie Crush. I loved hearing

929
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Speaker 1: josh on Behind the Bastards and so on all of

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00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: my favorite podcasters. Crossing paths now and then really drives

931
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Speaker 1: those parasocial bonds. So go listen to josh on Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards your past episodes. You're on a couple of times, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was, and on Daily Zeitgeist. No, I was

934
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Speaker 2: on Behind the Bastards once. I was on Daily's Seikeist.

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Speaker 1: A couple of times, Zeitgeist a couple of times. And

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Speaker 1: then I had Griffin on Movie Crush in his favorite movie,

937
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Speaker 1: which he claims is not his favorite movie only but

938
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Speaker 1: also the best movie was groundhog Day.

939
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: It is a good movie.

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Speaker 1: And I had Justin on and Justin I think I

941
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Speaker 1: can remember every single guest in their movie. Still his

942
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Speaker 1: was with Nail and.

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Speaker 2: I I've never seen that. Isn't that a Morrisey album?

944
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's a British independent film, so

945
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me.

946
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Speaker 2: This is Vauxhall and I okay with.

947
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Speaker 1: Neil and I Richard D. Grant. It's it's really good.

948
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Speaker 1: I think you and Yumi would both like it.

949
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll watch it then, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: It's from like the indie movie revolution of the nineties

951
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: and from England, and it's really really great.

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00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: You know. I think I was talking smack not too

953
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: long ago about pt Anderson. I don't know if it

954
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Speaker 2: was on the podcast or not, and that I basically

955
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: hadn't liked anything at his since Boogie Knights, Okay, maybe Magnolia, Okay.

956
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: Then I saw One Battle after Another and I'm like, buddy,

957
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: this guy is back in my estimate. Not only did

958
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: he direct it, he wrote it too. It's a good movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he writ and directs all his movies. He Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I loved, loved, loved One Battle after Another. I think

961
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Speaker 1: it was my favorite movie the year that that in Centers.

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Speaker 1: We're probably tied.

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Speaker 2: I've not seen Sinners yet, is it? It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It's all right, I'll check it out. Don't tell me anything.

965
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Speaker 2: That's fine. All I needed to hear was oh man.

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Speaker 1: Capital G grade and it's right up your alley.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Cool?

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Speaker 1: Great, And by the way, is from Ryan Pinto, who's

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Speaker 1: coming to see us in Denver, and I'm sorry, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: but we're not doing it on the pinto. We've already

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Speaker 1: done that live show.

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Speaker 2: That's a shame. You can go back and listen to

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Speaker 2: it and imagine that you're there because we did release

974
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Speaker 2: it eventually as an.

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Speaker 1: Episode, and then he might have been who knows.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Ryan, We'll see you in Denver. If you want

977
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Speaker 2: to see us in Denver, Seattle, or San Francisco, where

978
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Speaker 2: you can also visit the Golden Gate Bridge, you can

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Speaker 2: go to stuff youshould Know do dot com and get tickets,

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Speaker 2: And in the meantime, if you want to email us

981
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Speaker 2: like Ryan did, you can send an email to stuff

982
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Speaker 2: Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com.

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