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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Work in Progress this week, friends, we are

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Speaker 1: in for such a treat together. One of my favorite

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Speaker 1: TV hosts is here to talk about ten iconic years

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Speaker 1: of a major project and the projects that are coming

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Speaker 1: up next. You guessed it today. Tan is probably one

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Speaker 1: of the most recognizable figures in global pop culture, known

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Speaker 1: not just for transforming style but how people see themselves,

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Speaker 1: like really see themselves and feel about themselves. But before

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Speaker 1: Queerye made him a household name, he'd built a career

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Speaker 1: in fashion from the ground up. And now after Queer Eye,

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Speaker 1: he's expanding his curiosity about storytelling and his reach through

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Speaker 1: his own production company and continuing to shape cultural conversations

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Speaker 1: around identity representation. And he's doing it with that signature

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Speaker 1: so much. He's also taking risks. Tan is doing things

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Speaker 1: that scare him, including acting, and his passion for risk

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Speaker 1: taking is leading him everywhere from TV screens to the

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Speaker 1: theater district in London. Tan is really just getting started,

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Speaker 1: I think, because his perspective is so rooted and lived experience,

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Speaker 1: and his unique and authentic voice resonates well beyond even

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Speaker 1: his own expectations, and that is lucky for us. Let's

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Speaker 1: dive in with Tan France. Well, Hi, I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: I got to meet the baby.

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Speaker 2: It's see it, that's it. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We're back. I can't believe that long it's been since

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Speaker 1: I've seen you.

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Speaker 2: The last time I saw you, we were at brunch.

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Speaker 2: I do know if you remember this, you and I

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Speaker 2: went for brunch race on sunset watch your baker something something.

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Speaker 1: And the cappuccino maker.

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Speaker 2: I remember, Yeah, wonderful, loved it. Gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: You also, I have to like say, for all the

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Speaker 1: friends at home, I don't know what amazing like special

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Speaker 1: magic happened that day, but truly I remember thinking, this

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Speaker 1: is why everyone cries on the show. You were telling

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Speaker 1: me about your book, and you told me a story.

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Speaker 1: I think you were writing your first book at the time,

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Speaker 1: and you told me this story, and before I knew it,

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Speaker 1: we'd gone from giggling to you had me in full

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Speaker 1: tears at brunch and I was like, what is happening?

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Speaker 1: Is this what happens on Queer Eye?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was so like it gave me a giggle. And

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Speaker 1: also I was like, ah, I didn't know I was

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Speaker 2: That I don't think it's ever intended. But almost every

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Speaker 2: one of my friends has had the same experience saying

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Speaker 2: it's just a TV show. Obviously, it's just a TV show.

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Speaker 2: But then when we're in person, that duality of I

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Speaker 2: am anyone who knows, who knows out of playful person

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Speaker 2: of a cloud. I'm not a very serious person, but

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Speaker 2: somehow inevitably during most hangouts we have a tearful moment.

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Speaker 1: You and I are the same. I am similar in

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Speaker 1: the way that I'm incredibly goofy. I'm always laughing about something,

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Speaker 1: you know. Also, I come from a long line of

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Speaker 1: like insane Italian people from New Jersey. I'm very sarcastic,

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Speaker 1: and for some reason, you know, I'll be at a

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Speaker 2: Same same. But I love that. I actually love that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to. My mom constantly is saying, what

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Speaker 2: are you going to grow up? Just at some point

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Speaker 2: you could just grow up, Like not everything has to

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Speaker 2: be a lark. But I love that I have a

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Speaker 2: grown up I love the playful s, but I also

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Speaker 2: don't I don't want people to think they can't tell

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Speaker 2: me something or ask for advice, and so I will

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Speaker 2: always give an opinion and it will often lead to tears.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know why it happens to almost everyone

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Speaker 2: I know, but I would rather that those people think

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Speaker 2: he's one. Nope, you can't, I can't take anything seriously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I actually think for a lot of artists.

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Speaker 1: it's like I can feel it, and the more it

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Speaker 1: then we're just in it. Do you feel like it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I also think when when you the sense it,

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Speaker 2: because it's not the right setting. I think there's no

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Speaker 2: As you said, you'll go into a corner. You sat

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Speaker 2: full of hot jo. There's always a space for it.

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Speaker 2: I could always make space for it. So and I

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Speaker 2: think that just creative people in general, as you say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think if you look back? And I

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Speaker 1: love asking people this question, but I really love asking

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Speaker 1: parents this question because I think when you are relating

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Speaker 1: to your kids and helping them grow, you interact with

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Speaker 1: your childhood self in a way. And I wonder if

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Speaker 1: you think about knowing these things about yourself as you

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Speaker 1: do as an adult. If you looked back and we

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Speaker 1: who was that little boy? What does life look like?

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Speaker 2: You know? The crazy thing is is that I don't

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Speaker 2: think obviously what I'd like to believe. I'm matured, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the person I am is so

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Speaker 2: far removed from the person I was I was. Anyone

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Speaker 2: who can't tell by the sound if you're just watching

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Speaker 2: this i am a homosexual or even my voice gives

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Speaker 2: it away. But I wasn't more effeminine as a child.

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Speaker 2: I was more massline presenting as a child than I

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Speaker 2: am now. It's just because now uninhibited and I'm not

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Speaker 2: trying to hide anything. But as a kid, I was

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Speaker 2: always playful, but I was always really compassionate, really caring,

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Speaker 2: and I was a real caretaker As a kid, I

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Speaker 2: other siblings. My parents were together, and so I should

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Speaker 2: And I have no get me wrong, my siblings still

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Speaker 2: make sure my mom was okay. Like my main my

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Speaker 2: Do they feel do they feel happy? If they don't

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Speaker 2: The boys I didn't care that much about. I loved

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Speaker 2: We were very violent brothers with each other. We love

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Speaker 2: each other now still, but we were very valent brothers.

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Speaker 2: But if you were to have seen me. It was

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Speaker 1: Now well, and then you have the whole layer of

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Speaker 1: space and place. I'm cackling. Well, I cackled earlier when

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Speaker 1: you said, if you can't tell from listening to me

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Speaker 2: English, any American, the question is that you South Africa,

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Speaker 1: But growing up, you know, north of London, y, you

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Speaker 1: much easier to know what that meant to your childhood.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you are part of a very very small

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Speaker 2: you have to grow up really quickly because you are

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Speaker 2: faced with the world a much earlier time than most.

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Speaker 2: For example, I swear this is not going to be

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Speaker 2: I feel. I don't think many Caucasian kids in my

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Speaker 2: does inform how you navigate this world. And so so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're absolutely right being different being Pakistani. But also I

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Speaker 2: don't remember a time I wasn't queer. I don't think

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Speaker 2: It's compligated. You're trying to be white even though you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to have to learn to code switch like that

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Speaker 1: about this a lot. There's all these variations of passing, right,

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Speaker 1: But I will never forget the moment when it dawned

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh.

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Speaker 1: And then you learn that lesson at an increasing sort

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Speaker 2: And it's enforced in a greater way as you go and.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's really interesting that queer kids, kids

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Speaker 1: to your point, I don't actually think it's like, I

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Speaker 1: get that it's hard, and I get that everybody has

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Speaker 1: aren't we just perpetuating the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean I have these conversations with my

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Speaker 2: parents who are raising their kids in Utah, like these

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Speaker 2: these concerns will come up. I want you to know

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Speaker 2: that you can talk about it was taboo to talk

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Speaker 2: You're not going to win everyone. But I think the

434
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Speaker 2: majority of them saw massive changes in their self esteem

435
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Speaker 2: from what we did with them.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so cool. What was it like to

437
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Speaker 1: be shed people through that experience kind of you know,

438
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: coming out from behind the curtain, if you will, for

439
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: the heroes, you know, the subjects of the show, and

440
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: also to know that you were going to be put

441
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Speaker 1: on TV for the whole world to see. You know,

442
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: you were really going to take up properly the mantle

443
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: of one of the Fab five, which means one of

444
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: the queers, like you know. Was that Yeah? Yeah, for

445
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: your community in particular, was that scary?

446
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: It was a really strange feeling. Gosh, it was such

447
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: It's so weird to talk about because it was nine

448
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: years ago when it started.

449
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, which feels like one hundred years.

450
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: My gosh, life changes so much ten years. So when

451
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 2: when I first got the job and we started shooting

452
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: the show, I was really really nervous, and I think

453
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: that I had a very different experience of what the

454
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: show was and what it could mean to all the others.

455
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: And I know we all talked about it the first

456
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: season came out that my my, my entry point into

457
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: this was very different from everybody else's. Everybody else just

458
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: got to be excited. My fear was there hasn't been

459
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: like anybody liked me on TV before, and so when

460
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: you take that and then you show this person for

461
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: the first time, this person does represent a massive community.

462
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: There are millions of South Asians, and there weren't There

463
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: were like three of us on TV in the US.

464
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: There were no queer South Asians, so you're the only one.

465
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Speaker 2: So I knew what to expect. I knew that there

466
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: were so many people who are going to hate what

467
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: I represented, I hate what I stood for, were scared

468
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: of what I represented to the world, and so when

469
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: the show came out, I know that the rest of

470
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: them like amazing. It was huge. And every time when

471
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: you ask her would come out and go, oh my god,

472
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: please don't anyone see it, Please don't anyone see it.

473
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: If anyone sees it, that means that they're going to

474
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: find out who I am. And I know it was

475
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: some stupid but when I got here, I thought it's

476
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a tiny show. I'm going to do it.

477
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: I didn't even tell my family. I thought, well, this

478
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: was years ago, this was not this not to denigrate Netflix,

479
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: but at that time, no one I knew I had.

480
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: No one in England was talking about Netflix. They had

481
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: like a couple of big shows, Orange Is the New

482
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: Black and House of Cards. They never had a nonscripted show.

483
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't isn't what it is now, And so I thought,

484
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: most people in England are never going to see this,

485
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: and if they see Netflix, they're not going to watch

486
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: a Quei show. Who's watching Quei show? And so it

487
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: was just something crazy to do for us, someone that

488
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: I would tell my grandkids about, never thinking that my

489
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: family's going to see this. And so as soon as

490
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: it started to really pick up, which was the second day,

491
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: I started to find it, thinking, shit, I'm gonna get

492
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: so much shit. I get so much shit, And then

493
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: I did, and it was My experience was just very different,

494
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: very different. It was very different. Jonathan and Cromo at

495
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: the time, we're like, we we see what you're having

496
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: to represent, and we don't Cramo understudy it because Cramo

497
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: experienced it on the real world back in the day.

498
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: He was like the first openly quit black Man on

499
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: a major show. He said, it's terrifying. It it is.

500
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: It's a bizarre feeling. So when everyone was watching with

501
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: such joy and such exam and it was lovely, but

502
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: internally I was having a fuller meltdown.

503
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you sweet soul, you really kept it together.

504
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: You just like you've you've French talked and kept it

505
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Speaker 1: push in.

506
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Speaker 3: Do you know, let me talk about the French talk pick.

507
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: I found that the yoga generation.

508
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: So during COVID there was this article I think it

509
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: was about like the New York Times or something that said,

510
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: the French talk is a distinction for millennials. The yoga

511
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: generation is not doing it so breadchtoking. If you're not breachtooking,

512
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: you're a gen Z. And I just thought, and basically,

513
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: if gen Z was making fun of it, why would

514
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: people ever do this? And I just think, even if

515
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: it's not for your younger generation, it's so much better

516
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: than just a big baggy topic gives you shape and

517
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: so you may not love a French talk. It it

518
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: made me something like I even if somebody doesn't know

519
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: my name, they know the French talk guy. And let

520
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: me tell you that's that is a mad me. It

521
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: really is. I love that I went. Every now and

522
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: then when I'm on vacation, I have people who don't

523
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: speak English who were like, they don't know my name,

524
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: but guy, And that I think is such a mark

525
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: of the mark we left on the world. There was

526
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: certain things that Auntie with avocados. At the time, you

527
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: feel like a shit people are making fun. But really

528
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: I look back thinking I was known for something. That's

529
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: while that I was known for something.

530
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our sponsors, Well, listen,

531
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in your house with

532
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: the kiddos, but I can tell you we're teaching the

533
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: kids about a French chuch in this house.

534
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: So thank you work.

535
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: You're very welcome, Thank you so much. I'm like, no, no,

536
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: you need a little just like a little style angle,

537
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: do you know.

538
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen this all over. But the kids,

539
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: the younger kids are really leading into are you do

540
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: you say your age or no? Yeah, okay, how old

541
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: are you please?

542
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm forty three age, I'm not yeah not gen z.

543
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: So our our When we were kids, we were wearing

544
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: baggy ship like we were kids in the nineties, like.

545
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: We were wearing shit, oh my god, Jenko, Yeah, all

546
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: that we were.

547
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: Really he's wearing it now and I'm not going to

548
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: quick I'm like, yeah, we did that too. But one

549
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: day you're going to look back and think I needed shape. Yeah,

550
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: I just looked like a lot. It was all just

551
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: so big, and I had these you have these tiny

552
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: little legs and that makes it looky but tiny. It's

553
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: all a lot, and I just think, yeah, enjoying it.

554
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, by the time you get to buy it,

555
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: you can to look back and think, I wish I'd

556
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: just showed a bit of shape.

557
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: I get that. I get that. How do you how

558
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: do you think about it going forward? Because you're doing

559
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: all these different things. You know, you surprised us all

560
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: your acting on Deli Boys, which is so fun and

561
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: such a departure from who you are. You know, when

562
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: you think about that, when you think about your production

563
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: company obviously called French Duck Media, how could it not be?

564
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you're talking about bringing a

565
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: theater show to London, I mean, what what does the

566
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: landscape look like for you right now? Because it looks

567
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: like you're trying all all of the things, and many

568
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: of them are so far outside of fashion.

569
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah this might sound ludicrous, but I'm trying to distance

570
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: myself from the style and fashion stuff because it was

571
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: a part of my life for a very long time.

572
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know how you'll feel about me saying this,

573
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: or the audience in general, you feel about me seeing

574
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: this book. I was so much more than that, and

575
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: I get it all, and I felt I still feel

576
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: stifled by thinking, Yeah, I care about clothes, but I

577
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: don't care that much about clothes. I care about how

578
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: they feel. But I kept Okay, here's how I want

579
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: to answer this more succinctly. I guess I care about

580
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: how clothes make me feel. I don't really care about

581
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: everybody else's fashion. Whenever I see somebody, the first thing

582
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: they say is I was really nervous about what I

583
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: was going to wear because I knew I was going

584
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: to see you today. I don't care where it makes

585
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: you feel good. That's all that mattered. If you feel that,

586
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 2: I swear to God, I'm not looking at you judging

587
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: what you're wearing. I swear to God that that's not

588
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: the case. I will judge you for other things. If

589
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: you're being addicted to someone, I'll judge you for that.

590
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Oh, if you're rude to the waiter, I'll.

591
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: Judge you for that, and I'll tell you. But when

592
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: it comes to your clothes, I swear to that I'm

593
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: not really commenting. If it makes you feel good, that's

594
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: all that matter is. And I would like to believe.

595
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: But even on the queer eye, Okay, there are some things,

596
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know I can make you feel better.

597
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: I know you love this, but I know I can

598
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: get a version of that that's going to make you

599
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: feel even better. But I'm the whole Even on queer

600
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not trying to give you my clothes,

601
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: but to give you what makes sense for you. So

602
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm doing other things other than fashion

603
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: is I get fashion opportunities regularly. Do you want to

604
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: host this thing? You want to do a podcast about

605
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: what people want? Now? Stop, it's not really what I'm mean.

606
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: I really don't. I don't care what they want. I've

607
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: got I've got Instagram, on Google whatever, I'll google or

608
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: and I'll will have my own opinions. I don't really

609
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: talk them about it. And so I wanted after Queer

610
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: Eye and Next in Fashion, another show I do on Netflix.

611
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 2: I wanted to make it clear that that's the one

612
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: side of me, but no one's hopefully that one dimensional.

613
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: And I really the acting stuff I was really passionate

614
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: about because it really challenges me on where I or

615
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: in unscripted. I feel like I got it. I know

616
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: it's so, I got it. I know how to be

617
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: on camera. I know how to be on camera. It's

618
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: not hard. I just am a lively person. I'm an

619
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: energetic person and I'm playful. That's an easy job for me.

620
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: I can do it with my eyes closed and I

621
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: don't need to prep. I'm so comfortable with that. I

622
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: don't My jobs have never been that easy. The reason

623
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: why I loved At the Start, the reason why I

624
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: love Next at the Style, it's because I found it

625
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: very difficult. It was so not comfortable. Oh I got

626
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: so comfortable that I'm like, I've got to do something else.

627
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: And so I've been taking acting classes for a long term.

628
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: I'd never talked about this, but let me just say.

629
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: This tell me everything.

630
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: I was breaking it, which might be an English term.

631
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: Do you know what breaking it? Me? Okay, breaking it?

632
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: And so I shot season one season two. We shot

633
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: season one season two together. We didn't know which episodes

634
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: were going to be which season. And then I got

635
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: signed by a big holiday agency it's called wm ME,

636
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: and my agent was wonderful. We were gonna you were

637
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: going to do a run, big restaal. Netflix was giving

638
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: it everything, and I was so scared. I was like,

639
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do a talk show. You

640
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: kidding me? You mean be entertaining on a talk show live?

641
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't think so. So my agent at the time

642
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: gave me the best advice I've ever been given, which was,

643
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: take an acting class in your hometown. I live in

644
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: Salt Lake. Take an acting class for a few weeks.

645
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: You are going to be put in such uncomfortable situations

646
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: and people that might know you from a queer eye,

647
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 2: and that's going to really help you be better when

648
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: you do these, uh these press hits. And so I did.

649
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: I did my first press drinkit and I hated it,

650
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: and I stopped and I didn't know what to do.

651
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: And then I started taking acting classes and it was

652
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: so hard. I was so embarrassed that where I had

653
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: been out for a couple of months, So and everyone

654
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: seemed to know it at that point. It wasn't a

655
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 2: sleeper hit. It was a hit. And so I heard

656
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: about this class and everyone knew and they could Oh my.

657
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: God, that's my worst name.

658
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: It was so mortifying. And then this didn't teacher gives

659
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: me this scene and I have to do it in

660
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: front of all these people who know me and know

661
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: my voice and my inner my inner thoughts because I

662
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: give everything on queer Ie. You know everything about me

663
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: on quere I, so so I feel so I felt

664
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: so vulnerable, But then I started to love it until

665
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: you don't. And so for eight eight and a half years,

666
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I've been taking these classes and I just find it

667
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: so challenging and difficult and exciting.

668
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: I love that long.

669
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Then I insisted on auditioning, and I self taped, and

670
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: then I did any person audition, which where I vomited,

671
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: which was the most terrified. I vomited into a trash

672
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: can because I was the only place I could vomit.

673
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: And then I did my audition. I've beaten TV for

674
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: eight years. At that point, I feel so confident on

675
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: a set. I walk onto an nonscripted sound, I'm like,

676
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: what do you need me? To do playing be a clown,

677
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: absolutely no problem whatsoever. Talk for three hours, got it?

678
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: But do this accent, play a character, do this dialogue

679
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: that's not yours in front of these Disney executives I

680
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: who just want to see if you could do this

681
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: because your son, France, why are you doing this Cockney accent?

682
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: That's right? But I did it, and then I went

683
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: to set. It was the best week of my career ever.

684
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: I've ever being happier in any job I've ever had

685
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: in my life. And I just thought, I want to

686
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: do this for the rest of my life. And it

687
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: might not work, but yeah, I might never get another job,

688
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: but I'm going to try even if I'm going to try.

689
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: But I think that's part of it, you know, it's

690
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: we're so lucky to be at the time we're in.

691
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: When I first started acting, you know, I started auditioning

692
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: right as soon as I got into college.

693
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: Were you already an actress? We take classes and stuff.

694
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a heart surgeon. I had no interest.

695
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I thought acting was absolutely ridiculous. And then I had

696
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: an arts requirement and I had to do a play,

697
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, I love this. I decided to

698
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: pursue it, and then I wound up on you know,

699
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: my first show at twenty one. Yeah, And for the

700
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: longest time it was like, well, if you do TV,

701
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: you'll never make movies. And if you if you make movies,

702
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: then you know, you know, of course you nobody's going

703
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: to let you go and just do one season of

704
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: a TV show. You have to sign on forever. And

705
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: then oh, if you're an actor, you can't be a writer.

706
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: And you know, if you want to paint, you have

707
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: to paint in secret under a pseudonym. You know. It

708
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: was this whole crazy thing. And now I feel like

709
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: we're in this really great renaissance of creativity where people say, oh,

710
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 1: if you're interested in that and you have time for it.

711
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: Do it.

712
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how gorgeous you know, why not?

713
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

714
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: So, what's what's happening with the play you're producing? The

715
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: key word it's going up in London? Are you going

716
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: to be in it?

717
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to be Okay, okay, okay.

718
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if we were getting a surprise.

719
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, no theater. It sounds absolutely terrifying. Anyone that's

720
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: have you ever done data on the West End outside

721
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: of school? Like once you became yes, wow, okay, yes.

722
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: I I And by the way, people were like, do

723
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: a fun little show off Broadway, and I was like,

724
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the West End. Like I

725
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: just was like, I want to do it, and it's

726
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: it is so fabulous and it is the hardest, craziest

727
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. I mean also, I think just

728
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: at the time I did it, when the pandemic was

729
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: still raging and literally half my company went down, I

730
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: mean people were not well. And then it was also

731
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: like suddenly the whole business was on strike. And so

732
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: then I was just sitting at home being like, well,

733
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: this is weird. So I went from eight shows a

734
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: week to being in my house being like, huh, what

735
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: do I do now? And it was really the first

736
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: time I'd ever It was the first time in my

737
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: life I wasn't attached to a series or a film

738
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: or I just was off and I was like, I

739
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about this.

740
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: I'll start another podcast. I will say I've never been

741
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: and I don't think I ever will be interested in

742
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: being in a play. They have a skill set that

743
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: I would even pretend I could make work, and so

744
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: I would never dream of thinking I could do that.

745
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: But The P Word is a play that I heard

746
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: about two years ago. I was fascinated by the P word.

747
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what that means. In England,

748
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: there's a horrible term for my people, which is Paki.

749
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: It's such a disgusting slur that has been thrown around

750
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: brown people since my people came to the UK in

751
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: the fifties, and so that was a term I got

752
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: thrown at me a thousand times when I lived there.

753
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: And so the fact that they dared to call the

754
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: play their P word, I thought was brave, and I

755
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: just thought the story was beautiful. It's about two Pakistanis

756
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: who come together who are navigating the world being we

757
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: are or gay in a brown world, in a brown

758
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 2: Muslim world. And I lived that. That was my experience

759
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: so publicly, and so to be able to offer my position,

760
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: to offer my so that I'll put my weight behind it,

761
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: it felt almost I don't feel obligated at all. I'm

762
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: so proud to be part of it, but it feels

763
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: like an obligation of mine. I was one of the

764
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: very first. I just think I should use my power

765
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: for good, and so I want to try and encourage

766
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: people to go and see this place because it's just

767
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: a beautiful story. It's not a deadly down a story

768
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: telling let's called the P word be though it's about

769
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: two round queer people. It's a beautiful story. And I've

770
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: hoped we'll just go and see this wonderful beater. Let

771
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: me tell you, it's so rare to see. Actually, I

772
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen it. A South Asian lead

773
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 2: a show in the UK just doesn't happen. And see

774
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: these two people do this, I just think is incredible.

775
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: I really want people to give them a chance because

776
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: there are amazing South Asian creatives that just don't get

777
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: a chance. And this show one and Olivia, which in England,

778
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what the American version is. It's it's

779
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: it holds even more weight than a Tony. It's just

780
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: it's an Olivia. It's just like it's here to call

781
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: up success in theater and it won it. And so

782
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping that this with the second one, more

783
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: people will go and see it. And I just want

784
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: to say this, which is which I want to be

785
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: really frank about. I have a large white audience and

786
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: I want the white audience to know this is for

787
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: them to I didn't an Instagram post a few months ago,

788
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: and I've tried to do it somewhat often to say,

789
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: here are some shows with brown people and my people

790
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: in but they're not just for us. They're English shows.

791
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: They're speaking English, like Deli Boys a show play this Assassin.

792
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm playing a Cockney assassin. But and it's almost exclusively

793
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: the second season they have more Caucasians in what the

794
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: first season was mostly a South Asian cast, but American

795
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: Indians and back Denny's was all in English. But I

796
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: think most didn't give it a chance because they thought, oh,

797
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: this is a brown show. It's not that a brown

798
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: show for you too. If you ever seen that show Atlanta,

799
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what.

800
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: And I'm just you're wicked, like absolutely fabulous.

801
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: But I'm like, that's that wasn't I'm sure when they

802
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: weren't were making it, they weren't thinking, well, the queer brown,

803
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: what's some community it's gonna love this. No, they were

804
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: just making a wonderful show that it just so happened

805
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: to love. And I really am trying to explain to

806
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: my audience, and I sound angry when I'm saying it,

807
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: but it's just passion. I've watched white shows my entire life,

808
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: love them, and I've found common ground with those characters.

809
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: You can find common ground with us. We're regular people.

810
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: We're nice, we're fun, we're entertaining, we're horrible, we're mean,

811
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: we're full, we're fully formed people. You will find something

812
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: that you can connect within any one of our shows,

813
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: I promise. So that's why that's why I'm a producer

814
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: on the P word. I just I think that the

815
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: assumption is, oh, he's brown, so you should pots of it.

816
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: I know. I want to be a pot to it

817
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: because I want to tell the Whites watch this, you

818
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: will learn to me for it from it, and hopefully,

819
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: especially you Brits, if you've ever thought of shouting the

820
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: P word at one of us, maybe this show will

821
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: make you reconsider.

822
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. It is so interesting. Like, I

823
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: don't know why that. I don't know why so many

824
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: people who look like me have that reaction, because you know,

825
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: we've always sort of expected everyone to watch our stories,

826
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know why that's not a two way street,

827
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: or there's this idea that you know it's it's not

828
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: for us, Like, none of my friends of color have

829
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: been like Marvel's not for me except for Black Panther,

830
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Like what superhero stories are lit? Like what are you

831
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: talking about?

832
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Now, don't get me wrong. People of color always

833
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: notice that things that aren't aren't jokes for us. In

834
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: mom there's certain things that come up be like, oh,

835
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: what brown people don't do that. It's okay, you're learning

836
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: something new. It's fine to educate yourself. Yeah, it's funny.

837
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: When I first came on the scene, there were a

838
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: lot of people who were like, I didn't know that

839
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 2: you guys were just like us, And they were talking

840
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: about the gay thing and the brown thing and the mustard. Yeah. Yeah,

841
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: we're just like you guys. Just you have some works

842
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: that are just specifically you. We've got some works that

843
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: are specifically yours. But on the whole, I'm just like you.

844
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors, we have

845
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Speaker 1: you seen. I'll have to text it to. One of

846
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: my favorite people on TikTok is this hilarious black woman

847
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: who goes the white people phrases I learned today, and

848
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: she goes through them list by list like she does

849
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: a full list once a week, and I mean she

850
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: makes me cry, Oh my god. And she'll just be like,

851
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that one, and the ones she

852
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: really likes. She'll repeat some times and like try to

853
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: get the sound of it right, and I just like,

854
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: I scream laughing. It's so funny.

855
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: One thing I loved about Qui I is the CRAMO

856
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: and I, especially the last few seasons, we each other

857
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: each other every now and they'd say black people because.

858
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: We don't do whatever that thing is, or we don't

859
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 3: get the things. We're like, it's gotta be a white

860
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: person thing.

861
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Speaker 2: Like, what is this?

862
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Speaker 1: You did that? One of the things I'm really loving.

863
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Speaker 1: Bless you for the new show for our friends at Home.

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Speaker 1: Tan has a new series on YouTube called Honorable Gaze,

865
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Speaker 1: and you're basically it's so genius. You're doing what my

866
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Speaker 1: friends and I do all day long, which is like,

867
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Speaker 1: did you see this insane Reddit thread? And we read

868
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Speaker 1: them to each other and it's the am I the

869
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: asshole thing? And on one of them recently, I won't

870
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Speaker 1: give it away, I promise it's not a spoiler, but

871
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Speaker 1: you're talking to two comedians reading through these things.

872
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Speaker 2: One of the ways Mexican. His name's Erics Daniel, Yes,

873
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Speaker 2: and you and you.

874
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Speaker 1: Look at the other comedian Rob and you go, sorry,

875
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Speaker 1: but this is this is white people. Brown people do

876
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Speaker 1: not do this.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, this is some white people.

878
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: So good the amount of times Croward did it, we

879
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: do on Honorable Gaze, it's always the dynamic between kids

880
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: and parents is that's the differentiator. A lot of the time,

881
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Speaker 2: it's that there's certain ways that brown parents or black

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00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: parents are with their kids that's very different from how

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Speaker 2: white parents are with white kids, or vice versa with

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Speaker 2: their parents. And so that's the time we'll both find

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00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: that non white people say, oh, that's a white person

886
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: thing because we don't interact with our families the same

887
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: way Honorable Gaze. So, okay, can I just wax on

888
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: about honorable Gaze for a seconds?

889
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: Please? I love it so much.

890
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: So I wasn't a YouTuber, never really been a YouTuber,

891
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: but my agents were like, what do you want to

892
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: do next? And I was like, I want I think

893
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: I work well in an ensemble. Actually, I would love

894
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: your opinion. Do you know what. It's not very often

895
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: I get to talk to somebody who's been in an ensemble,

896
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: ensembles and what I want to you, however you answer this,

897
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: I think that I work better in an ensemble. I

898
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: love bouncing off people. I'm not trying to beat the staff.

899
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: So when Next in Fashion first came to me, this

900
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: was like six months after where I came out, I

901
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: was offered a new show and the show was for

902
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: me to host solo. And I said to the executive

903
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: a Netflix, I was like, I really like working with

904
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Speaker 2: other people, and I think, and I know why you're saying,

905
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Speaker 2: do it solo. I don't need that. I don't need

906
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Speaker 2: to be the star. I will fully share it with

907
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Speaker 2: whoever else you want, and I buy is who it

908
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: should be. I don't I think that being the star.

909
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: I think it's better. It makes you the star when

910
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 2: you're with multiple people and you will get to shine

911
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: and you're helping other people shine. And I want to

912
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: know if you feel the same way, because you've done

913
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Speaker 2: a lot of ensemble stuff. Do you typically push it?

914
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Speaker 2: I would look for you to be honest. Do you

915
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: typically push to be on your own or do you

916
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: think that you are better with others?

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Speaker 1: I love being with people, with people I am. I

918
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Speaker 1: love being on a team, like, I'm not interested in

919
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: having it. If I have it all by myself, I'd

920
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: rather have less of a good thing than all of

921
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Speaker 1: something by myself. Yeah agree, And for me, the good

922
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: thing is being with people, So I've I've really learned

923
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: that thing. Where like even on a show, I don't

924
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Speaker 1: I don't care about billing somebody wants it's the first

925
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: title card. The agents can fight about that shit. But

926
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Speaker 1: if there's a male lead and a female lead, if

927
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Speaker 1: I've signed on first, my one non negotiable is I

928
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Speaker 1: will be number one on the cost.

929
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Speaker 2: If I'm a female. I feel exactly the same way.

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Speaker 2: And I know exactly what you mean about it just changes,

931
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Speaker 2: it changes everything for sure. With this one with Honorable Gaze,

932
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Speaker 2: I wanted to have fun. I loved getting to do

933
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 2: Queer Eye for so long, and I my resting state

934
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Speaker 2: is I just want to play and so Honorable Gays,

935
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna set the scene for everyone. Yes, yes,

936
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Speaker 2: yes it is. Yeah. So Honorable Gaze is a YouTube series.

937
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Speaker 2: We've got a full season of eight episodes, but they

938
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Speaker 2: will drop every two weeks. And it's me and two

939
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: honorable Gays. I play a judge, they play both sides

940
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: of an argument. Eric's Adaniel Rob Anderson, who are incredible

941
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: online comics, but they also do tours and we read

942
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: am I the arshole Reddit stories the kind of stuff.

943
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: They're so varied, but a bridesmaid falling out with another bridesmaid,

944
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Speaker 2: or the bride parents who are dating but their kids

945
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: are also so dating. That's truly one of the stories.

946
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: Roommate dynamics. So these stories have submitted that we discussed

947
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: the story, but it's also animated, and I so, I'm

948
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: the one who created the show, and I really wanted

949
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: animation to bring these stories to life. And I think

950
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: the animation is so funny. This is so funny, feels

951
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: at so good at it, And so we read these

952
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: stories and then we decide who's the asshole. This three

953
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: stories every episode, it's only fifteen minutes and it's so

954
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: quick paced, and it was some of the most fun

955
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: I've had in quite some time. I absolutely loved it.

956
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: And bodies are so damn funny, and I'm really hoping

957
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Speaker 2: this give us some opportunity to do I'm sure they

958
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: both want to do TV and more toures. I'm like,

959
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: please that make these boys stars. They are so talented.

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Speaker 1: They are hilarious. Okay, well, I am so thrilled people

961
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Speaker 1: can tune into Honorable Get on YouTube. You guys, I

962
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Speaker 1: got a sneak peek at a bunch of episodes. You're

963
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Speaker 1: not prepared, They're perfect. I want to talk to you

964
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Speaker 1: more about that in a special little something coming up.

965
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Speaker 1: But before I let you go for today, I must

966
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Speaker 1: ask you my very favorite question, Dan France, What in

967
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: this moment when you kind of look at the landscape

968
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Speaker 1: of life, whether it's parenthood, all these production adventures, what

969
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: feels like you're work in progress?

970
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: My work you progress? Right now? Is my personal life?

971
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, career you never know what's going to happen,

972
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: and that ebbs and flows. It's what do I want

973
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Speaker 2: for the future of myself. I have spent on my children.

974
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Speaker 2: We're currently considering a massive move part runtly. We've been

975
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Speaker 2: in Utah for nineteen years. I built a dream house

976
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Speaker 2: here three years ago, and I thought that this was

977
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Speaker 2: where I will retire and my life will be complete.

978
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: But I but now it's more of a working progress.

979
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Speaker 2: Now it's a what more joy can we get out

980
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: of this life? What more adventure can we get out

981
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: of this life, what helps I want my kids to

982
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Speaker 2: experience And so my working progress, weirdly enough, is what

983
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Speaker 2: future do I want for my family that I can control?

984
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Speaker 2: And what does that look like next?

985
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Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's so exciting.

986
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Speaker 2: It's really exciting. It's terrifying. Yeah, I did a massive move.

987
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: I moved from the UK to the US and then

988
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: to Utah, like their massive moves, and I loved everything

989
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: I ever knew, and I'm so scared doing it in

990
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: middle age, but I'm like, why not. I'm relatively young,

991
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: and if I don't now, I'm probably not going to

992
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: make such a big life in my sixties. So now

993
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: seems at the right time.

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Speaker 1: I love that for you.

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00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 2: Thanks terrifying, But let's seehere it goes.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to offline about where we're going.