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Speaker 2: Living the dream once again here on a fully loaded

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. This is Fox Sports Saturday and we're broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radios studios. Are in the

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Speaker 2: process of getting all hooked up with Ryan Hollins right

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Speaker 2: now as we get ready for a very big show

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Speaker 2: today tomorrow course Game two of the NBA Finals. The

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Speaker 2: Ineana Pacers may look like a full in Game one.

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Speaker 2: I honestly thought that the Pacers would be lucky to

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Speaker 2: win a game in this matchup against OKC. But it's

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Speaker 2: it's beginning to dawn on me right now. I'm opening

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Speaker 2: my eyes to the fact that maybe, just maybe the

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Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers are a team of destiny. And this is

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Speaker 2: something that is always hard for me as someone that's

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Speaker 2: been around the sports scene as long as I've been around.

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Speaker 2: There are always these teams that emerge out of nowhere

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Speaker 2: like they're a team of destiny. Like you look at

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Speaker 2: a team and you're like, how are they doing? What

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Speaker 2: are they doing? And I you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: people say, well, destiny and things like that. It's not

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Speaker 2: even about destiny, it's about the the sports gods are

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Speaker 2: smiling on a franchise. So I'm looking at the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, let's remind ourselves again, first game

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Speaker 2: upsets are not unprecedented to be followed up then by

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Speaker 2: a complete collapse, and the team that should win usually

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Speaker 2: does win. I go back to two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals. You might remember in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: three year run the Lakers had with Shaq and Kobe,

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Speaker 2: they played the Philadelphia seventy six Ers. Remember Alan Ifferson

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Speaker 2: goes off in Game one at Staples Center does the

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Speaker 2: walkover on Tylo. I had a friend of mine who

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Speaker 2: hated the Lakers texted me right after the game Sixers

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Speaker 2: are going to take it. I texted him back, they

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Speaker 2: won't win another game. And that was back in the

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Speaker 2: two three to two format, so the Lakers would have

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Speaker 2: to win Game two at home and then go and

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Speaker 2: win three straight in Philadelphia. I said, they will not

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Speaker 2: win another game, and guess what they didn't. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that's going to happen in this series. I

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Speaker 2: still believe Oka se should win. You want a stat

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Speaker 2: So the games that Oklahoma City has lost in the

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Speaker 2: postseason they've won the next game. They have lost consecuted

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Speaker 2: games in this postseason. But not only have they not

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Speaker 2: lost consecutive games the game after have loss, they have

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Speaker 2: won by an average of more than twenty points. So

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Speaker 2: I fully expect okay Se to bounce back in a

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Speaker 2: big way in Game two. But that being said, I

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Speaker 2: wanted to take a little step back on Indiana the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you understand the Pacers' history, because

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Speaker 2: it's traced back to the very first season of the

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Speaker 2: American Basketball Association. And here's an interesting little tidbit for you.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love going down memory lane. The first

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Speaker 2: year of the ABA was the nineteen sixty seven sixty

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Speaker 2: eight season. There were eleven teams. The very first year

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Speaker 2: of the ABA, there were only two teams, two franchises

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Speaker 2: with the same name. Through all nine years, only two franchises.

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Speaker 2: One was the Kentucky Colonels that did not make the

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Speaker 2: cut when the ABA merged with the NBA. The other

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Speaker 2: team the Indiana Pacers. They've always been the Indiana Pacers,

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Speaker 2: and they won three of the nine championships. During the

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Speaker 2: ABA run, more than any franchise, they were the most

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Speaker 2: successful team in the history of the ABA. They had

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Speaker 2: three championships, two other trips to the ABA Championship final.

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Speaker 2: But since they came to the NBA, they've been pretty

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Speaker 2: much forgettable. They had some good teams and obviously with

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Speaker 2: Finals where they were dominated by the Lakers. You know,

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Speaker 2: But there's it really hasn't been a whole lot when

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Speaker 2: we think about the history of the Indiana Pacers. So

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Speaker 2: why now? Why now? Why why now? I mean, you

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Speaker 2: can make the argument, well, hey, they were in the

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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals a year ago, Yeah, but barely. The

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Speaker 2: it wasn't like they were really looking like they're knocking

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Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of factors with this Pacers

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Speaker 2: this franchise. One of them is their coach, Rick Carlisle.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't caught on, Rick Carlisle has always been

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Speaker 2: good coach. He's a really good coach that understands the moment.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you watched postgame sound from Rick

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Speaker 2: Carlisle after they pulled off this miracle winning game one

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Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburn hit the shot with point three seconds left,

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Speaker 2: and he made some comments about the fact that his

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Speaker 2: Pacers team had twenty four turnovers in the game nineteen

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Speaker 2: and a half. He goes, He goes, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if that's some kind of record, but we got to

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Speaker 2: four turnovers, they had six. We were a minus eighteen

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Speaker 2: he went on to sort of I love this. He

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Speaker 2: started talking about the defense of OKC. Other defense is good.

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Speaker 3: Oh they're good.

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Speaker 2: They're really good. Like that, Like man and I'm like, really,

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Speaker 2: did you see their OKC defense? Do you see how

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Speaker 2: many open looks the Pacers got, Especially in the second

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Speaker 2: half of the game. The difference was Indiana actually started

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Speaker 2: knocking down their shots and that's how ultimately they won

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Speaker 2: the game. So they have a great coach, a really

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Speaker 2: great coach of mccrlob I dare say, one of the

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Speaker 2: on top of that, they have a roster of rejects.

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Speaker 2: They have a roster of some big name players who

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Speaker 2: were deemed expendable by other franchises. And so when you

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Speaker 2: have a Halliburton, when you have a Siakam, when you

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Speaker 2: have players that have had success elsewhere and they're part

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Speaker 2: team that collectively has a chip on their shoulder, something

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Speaker 2: to prove, and also nothing to lose. So as you

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Speaker 2: some really stupid things. And by the way, their coach dagnauld, well,

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Speaker 2: I'll get into him a little bit later on, but

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Speaker 2: that those are two things going in Indiana's favor in

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Speaker 2: the series. Now, I, like I said, I'm not about

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Speaker 2: the series because I still believe that OKAC is considerably

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Speaker 2: the better team. But Chat Holmgern better show up. Jayleen

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Speaker 2: Williams needs to show that he is a is a

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Speaker 2: true All NBA player. He maybe the All NBA team

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Speaker 2: look like it. They're in game number one. The biggest

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Speaker 2: Shake Gilsis Alexander and he had thirty eight points. That's great, right,

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Speaker 2: the league's MVP thirty shots. That's not his game. If

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Speaker 2: bad news for OKC. They have to have other guys

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Speaker 2: step up, and in particular, Jayalen Williams and check Holngkerm.

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Speaker 2: Those are your two guys that are projected to be,

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Speaker 2: you know, franchise players, you know, the nucleus for this

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Speaker 2: tomorrow game number two of the NBA Finals. And you know,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I mean, we've had a phenomenal finish

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Speaker 2: obviously the game one of the NBA Finals, and let's

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Speaker 2: not forget the Stanley Cup Final. Two overtime games, double

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Speaker 2: overtime last night and Emonton did it again. Corey Perry.

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Speaker 2: I forgot that Corey Perry was still in the league.

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Speaker 2: We know him in southern California. He was a second

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Speaker 2: you haven't, if you're not a hockey fan, you need

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Speaker 2: Worst kept secret around I guess Aaron Rodgers is officially

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Speaker 2: tell us exactly what went down and where we go

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Speaker 2: ahead on what his presence will mean for the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: tell us exactly what you've heard on why now? What

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Speaker 2: was the timing on now for Aaron Rodgers to say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Why now?

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Speaker 5: So, Steve, they wanted, they really wanted him to be

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Speaker 5: here for this mandatory camp. It's actually a three day camp.

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Speaker 5: That's as long as you can do a mandatory camp.

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Speaker 5: And and you get him in your off season program.

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Speaker 5: He gets to meet everybody. Yes, you know d k Mtcaffe,

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Speaker 5: known Mike Tom a little bit over the years, and

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Speaker 5: Mike certainly had influence on this decision to sign Rogers,

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Speaker 5: though it's on his call, but part of it is

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Speaker 3: Him in now.

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Speaker 5: They wanted him to meet the players, get around the coaches,

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Speaker 5: because you know, you wait till late July and you've

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Speaker 5: already missed their entire off season program, and it's just

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Speaker 5: you're behind and and he's look, he's this is not

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Speaker 5: this is this offense, by the way, it's kind of

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Speaker 5: West Coast offense. It's different that Arthur Smith runs. So

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Speaker 5: timing I know that for them. I was texting with

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Speaker 5: A couple of things here, so lots of unpacked from

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Speaker 5: bet for you. So now look, it's very this can change,

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Speaker 3: The hype is going to happen. I think. I don't think.

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Speaker 5: We had Aaron Rodgers burnout. People were sick and tired

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Speaker 5: But he didn't physically didn't last. But the under is

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Speaker 5: this is Steve to move this forward. Here, This is

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Speaker 2: It's terrible. But I want to get back to some

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Speaker 2: you said organizations. The Jets are a losing organization. They've

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Speaker 2: haven't you know why? Because it's a really well run organization.

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Speaker 5: when you miss that quarterback, it's extremely hard to recover.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think they haven't won a playoff game

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not got cratering, They're not going five

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Speaker 3: Nowhere the National.

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Speaker 2: Footballer No, I'll give you a guy. His name was

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Speaker 5: That's my point?

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Speaker 2: So when we talk about relevance, like where's the bar

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great, did you make that play?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean they're better teams.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and when there's a reason why they don't

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Speaker 2: But who did they lose to that they should have beaten?

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Speaker 2: No, but there's a lot of franchises that aren't in

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Speaker 5: The problem is we're accepting mediocrity.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love this look.

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Speaker 5: I have nothing against Rogers. I don't care about his

435
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Speaker 5: political beliefs or what he blaves or doesn't believe. It

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter to me. My job is to evaluate report

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Speaker 5: of what I know about him. With you, I would

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Speaker 5: love to see it. I think it'd be great for football,

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Speaker 5: all right, But that's that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just my only problem is covering to Bins twenty

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Speaker 5: seven years is when you just accept, you know, it

443
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Speaker 5: just okay to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I think that's not well. I'm with you, look at

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Speaker 2: it inacceptable. I worked with Al Davis, you know, you know,

446
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Speaker 2: oh good, but.

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Speaker 3: We we you know.

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Speaker 5: I wish we had a second seven because I would

449
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Speaker 5: love to just talk five minutes about you and I've

450
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Speaker 5: talked probably about some of this stuff. But the folks

451
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Speaker 5: need to hear Steve's stories about the bizarreness.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how see, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know how much you've told over the years, but

454
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Speaker 5: you've told me a couple of stories that my hair

455
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Speaker 5: was on fire.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, I was well working without in

457
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Speaker 2: his crime was even the man was in his fifties.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was in his time at that time,

459
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Speaker 2: and so it wasn't you know the crypt keeper that

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Speaker 2: you saw late in his life. I mean he was

461
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Speaker 2: still in his absolute prime.

462
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Speaker 5: Todd Christiansen was there.

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Speaker 2: It was to Todd was I mean, the characters we had,

464
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Speaker 2: Matt Miller, Matt Millan was my scapegoat because really, so

465
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Speaker 2: here was the deal. I was literally told this is

466
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Speaker 2: a true story. The day I was higher Al locusl

467
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Speaker 2: long time head of the front office of the Raiders

468
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Speaker 2: said your job, your job is to not help the media.

469
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Speaker 2: That's that's what he said. This your job is to

470
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Speaker 2: not help the media.

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Speaker 3: Martin, Were you a pr guy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was the point I was. It's funny because

473
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Speaker 2: you look at the media guys said publications. They just

474
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Speaker 2: made up titles like Senior a minute. There was no

475
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Speaker 2: directors of anything.

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Speaker 5: Mike Taylor, the former director, Mike have Yeah, all these

477
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Speaker 5: they had, all these other teams had directors of everything, right,

478
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Speaker 5: but we had none of that.

479
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Speaker 2: We didn't want to have titles like you know, locas

480
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Speaker 2: How's title was executive assistant. I'm like, what are your secretary?

481
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Speaker 2: I mean it was crazy, very odd title. But anyway,

482
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Speaker 2: and so, but my deal was I couldn't keep my

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Speaker 2: mouth shut, right, I mean and so and then I

484
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Speaker 2: I was, oh and so, I you know, I knew

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Speaker 2: the media people obviously, the guys that covered us on

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Speaker 2: a daily basis, and they protect me because I could

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Speaker 2: give them information. But it's something leaked out. If something

488
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Speaker 2: leaked out, you know, Locus now would charge me and

489
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Speaker 2: you know, come into me. And I'm like, it wasn't me.

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Speaker 2: It was Millan because Matt Miller as a player would

491
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Speaker 2: not stop talking.

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Speaker 5: Oh I know Matt a little bit. Yeah, I've watched tape.

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Speaker 2: With big blabber. Matt and I have same age. So

494
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Speaker 2: he was like a big blabber and he was my

495
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Speaker 2: scapegoat every time. Don't look at me. I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 2: He was milland Millan's the ones talking all the time.

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Speaker 2: Did they buy it something? Most of the time they

498
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Speaker 2: did because they knew Matt Millan. I mean, Matt couldn't

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Speaker 2: get out of his own way. He probably cost himself

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Speaker 2: a few Pro Bowls because he was always yapping away

501
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Speaker 2: on everything. Uh yeah, I I could almost break it

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Speaker 2: down player by player. It was one of the most

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Speaker 2: incredible collections of next week.

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Speaker 5: Since we're now in the off season, yes, will be

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Speaker 5: over this coming week.

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Speaker 3: Can we talked about Jackson?

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Speaker 2: I will tell you the whole story. Please do about

508
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Speaker 2: when we I was in the draft room with dol

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Speaker 2: Davis and Ron Wolf and Flores when they made the pick,

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Speaker 2: and then when we signed him, and then when he

511
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Speaker 2: showed up, and then I will tell you the story

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Speaker 2: about Al Davis making a phone call to me that

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Speaker 2: I did not expect. Oh man, I'm gonna leave you

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Speaker 2: hanging all right, Well, we'll share another day. Great stuff

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Speaker 2: is so glad.

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Speaker 5: I know your career, man.

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Speaker 3: See, I know your career, dude, I know.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a it's a good job. Adam. We

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Speaker 2: always appreciate the time. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: There he is Adam Kaplan R, Fox Sports Radio, NFL Insider.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's find out what is a trending right now.

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Speaker 2: By the way, before we find out what's going on, Martin,

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Speaker 2: can I put out a request for you to hang

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Speaker 2: out with me the rest of the show.

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Speaker 6: Only if you tell me at least a ten you

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Speaker 6: gotta give me a little more bo Jackson, a little more.

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Speaker 2: I will give you a little bit of a tease.

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Speaker 2: I will give you a little bit of a teas

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Speaker 2: all right, I'll hang out for that. Otherwise, don't don't

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Speaker 2: double cross me. I'm not going to double cross you.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a little on the whole. Bo Jackson

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Speaker 2: to the Raiders.

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Speaker 6: Here yea top of the seventh enning. The Reds open

534
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Speaker 6: it up on the Diamondbacks thirteen to one. Astros and

535
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Speaker 6: Guardians tied three apiece bottom of the eighth inning.

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Speaker 2: Wow, this was been a barnburner.

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Speaker 6: The Marlins and the Rays ten up bottom of the

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Speaker 6: seventh right now, and then that's all the games that

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Speaker 6: we have live. Earlier today, we saw the Cubs beat

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Speaker 6: the Tigers six to one. PI Crow Armstrong had his

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Speaker 6: seventeenth home run of the season. Blue Jays with a

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Speaker 6: five to four win over the Twins. Cardinals beat the

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Speaker 6: Dodgers two to one. Pirates double up to Phillies two

544
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Speaker 6: to one, but Schwarber did hit a home run. Rangers

545
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Speaker 6: five to nothing over the Nationals. Giants get the Braves

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Speaker 6: three to two. When White Sox beat the Royals four

547
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Speaker 6: to one, we saw Bryce Harper go to ten day

548
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Speaker 6: I l with right wrist inflammation. Same story for a

549
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Speaker 6: Dodgers pitcher, Tony Gonsol and he's got elbow discomfort. Craig

550
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Speaker 6: kimberrel Atlanta Braves relief pitcher designated for assignment. Twenty one

551
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Speaker 6: year old American Cocoa Golf won the French Ladies Singles

552
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Speaker 6: title golf second career Grand Slam championships. He also won

553
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Speaker 6: the US Open at twenty twenty three. And Memphis Grizzly

554
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 6: center Zach e Edi reinjured his left ankle in and

555
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Speaker 6: off season workout. He's gonna need surgery that's going to

556
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Speaker 6: likely cause him to miss the start of next season.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, all right, Well, thank you very much, Martin,

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Speaker 2: and yes, I will share a story with you in

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Speaker 2: a moment here quicker Minder. Once again, we're live from

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. Now you can stream this

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Speaker 2: us live. And one of the newest features in the

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Speaker 2: app is that you can select Fox Sports Radio is

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Speaker 2: one of your presets. You don't like the presets on

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Speaker 2: your radio dial, so be sure to preset Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio on the iHeartRadio app. It will always pop up

569
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Speaker 2: at the top of your scream. All right, let me

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Speaker 2: share you one story here about Bow so again in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. You have to understand the situation. Bow

572
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Speaker 2: was the very first pick in the nineteen eighty six

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Speaker 2: draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after winning the Heisman

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Speaker 2: Trophy at Auburn, and he passed signed on with the

575
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Speaker 2: Kansas City Royals and said his football days were over.

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Speaker 2: He was now a full time Major League baseball player.

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Speaker 2: So technically the Buccaneers held his rights until the first

578
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Speaker 2: pick of the next year's draft was made. And there

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Speaker 2: was zero buzz from anybody of taking Bo Jackson the

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Speaker 2: draft none zero because he had now committed himself to

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Speaker 2: major League baseball and that was that. So as we

582
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Speaker 2: sat in the draft room that year, and this is

583
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: back when we had twelve rounds in the NFL Draft,

584
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Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty seven. Mister Davis, of course, was

585
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Speaker 2: not just the owner. He was also the general manager

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Speaker 2: of the franchise, Ron Wolf, who became a Hall of

587
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Speaker 2: fame general manager of the Packers, was the head of

588
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Speaker 2: player personnel, Top Floris, our hall of fame coach. And

589
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Speaker 2: then in the seventh round, mister Davi looked up and said, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're going to We'll take Bo Jackson Auburn, And everybody

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Speaker 2: in the room is like, what are you doing. He's,

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Speaker 2: first of all, they have a baseball he has a

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Speaker 2: baseball season the last time we checked doesn't end until October,

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Speaker 2: the binga of October. He's got his job. He's got

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Speaker 2: a job. But that being said, so I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: you one quick story. And it was his very first

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Speaker 2: practice with the Raiders, very first practice. So our practice

598
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Speaker 2: facilities were in El Segundo, which is not far from

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Speaker 2: Lax used to be the local junior high school, converted

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Speaker 2: into the Raider headquarters. So Bow's season with the Royals

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Speaker 2: head ended. We're into October. We're well into the season already.

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Speaker 2: It's not been a good season. It was a weird

603
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Speaker 2: year because it was the year of the replacement players.

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Speaker 2: So we're coming out of that debackle and we need

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Speaker 2: a spark. So Bo Jackson, who had not played football

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Speaker 2: in two years two years, shows up for his first

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Speaker 2: actual practice with the Raiders, and of course Al Davis

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Speaker 2: had everything shut down. You know, was part of one

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Speaker 2: of my many jobs is to make sure that there

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00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: are no eyeballs, you know, trying to look in or

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: hitting hit the media. Yeah, exactly. So I'm watching Bo

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00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Jackson run around on the field and he looks really

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Speaker 2: good to me, but you know, I'm not playing, so

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Speaker 2: I got to wait for somebody to start of give

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Speaker 2: me the insight. So practice ends how he long, of course,

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Speaker 2: one of our great players Hall of Famer is walking

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Speaker 2: off the field. I run up to how I go,

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Speaker 2: so what do you think? He looks at me and

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Speaker 2: goes that guy speaking of Bo Jackson is from another planet.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about a two hundred and thirty pounds running back,

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Speaker 2: by all accounts, ran a four to two forty. He

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Speaker 2: was such a freak. It was evident from the very

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Speaker 2: first practice. And then of course you saw what happened

624
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Speaker 2: when we had that Monday night game against Seattle a

625
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Speaker 2: few weeks later when he ran ninety one yards for

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Speaker 2: a touchdown and the rest was history. Ran over Boz

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Speaker 2: you know, on that Monday night game. So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean he was. It was evident to everybody from the

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Speaker 2: very first second he walked on the field with the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: And this is a team that had Marcus Allen. We

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Speaker 2: had Marcus Allen. She was still in his prime at

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Speaker 2: that point. Believe me, when Al Davis got one load

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Speaker 2: of Bo Jackson, he forgot about Marcus Allen.

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Speaker 6: It goes to show you the difference in team building

635
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Speaker 6: ideas in the in that day and age as opposed

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Speaker 6: to now. Imagine having two running backs of that stature

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Speaker 6: on one roster.

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Speaker 2: Everybody would lose their mind in the end of the community.

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Speaker 6: But Steve, I have a take that we might want

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Speaker 6: to debut next segment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but it relates to bo Jackson. Now now you've

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Speaker 2: now you've out teased me. That is phenomenal. All right,

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Speaker 2: Let's let's find this because I just stepped in. I

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00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: didn't even know Martin was going to step in, and

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00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: here he is, as always, there you go whenever we

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Speaker 2: need somebody who can we count on mart Weiss every

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Speaker 2: single time. All Right, you heard the tea's We'll find

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Speaker 2: out what it's all about. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Steve Harbin and yes, Martin Weiss, Fox Sports Saturday. We're

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Speaker 2: coming alive from the Fox Sports Radio studios. So after

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Speaker 2: sharing a brief Bo Jackson story, Martin just double down

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Speaker 2: and said, I've got the ultimate on the other side,

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Speaker 2: teased it like crazy, and somehow is going to tie

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Speaker 2: Bo Jackson into what's happening right now in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: So let me let me hear what you got here, Martin.

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Speaker 6: What is happening right now in the NBA Finals is

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Speaker 6: something that I've noticed over time, and it really crystallized

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Speaker 6: with Jason Tatum, but it starts with Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson,

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Speaker 6: if you look at his actual professional career, right, is

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Speaker 6: not one that if you were just reading through the

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Speaker 6: history books of baseball or reading through their history books

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Speaker 6: of football, that it would not necessarily stand out. Right,

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Speaker 6: It's the story around Bo Jackson, the legend of Bo Jackson.

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Speaker 6: He almost has a for your age, a Paul Bunyan

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Speaker 6: type where people will talk about Paul Paul Bunyan could

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Speaker 6: do this or like Chuck Norris was the joke as

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Speaker 6: I was a kid. I don't know who it is now, right,

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Speaker 6: but like a larger than life, bigger than he's.

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Speaker 2: A super human Ma. Bo Jackson hit that ball seven

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Speaker 2: hundred feet, you know, and you just believe it because

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Speaker 2: they said it was about Bo Jackson.

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of that had to do

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Speaker 6: with the fact that Bo Jackson is one of the

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Speaker 6: most successfully marketed athletes in the history of sports marketing.

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Speaker 6: Bo knows right, Bo knows and you know what that means.

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Speaker 6: Bo Jackson almost better than all this was at an

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Speaker 6: all professional of Kyle's I'm not saying, but professional level.

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Speaker 6: He was way cooler than he was, like superstar for

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Speaker 6: the longevity of the bo Jackson was unequivocally cool.

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Speaker 2: And what made him cool.

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Speaker 6: Was not only his feats on the field and on

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Speaker 6: the diamond, but also the marketing surrounding him, the shoes.

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Speaker 3: All of it.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And it hit me when Jason Tatum was

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Speaker 6: basically copying every iconic moment that we had seen in

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Speaker 6: finals history when he won the Finals. I think what

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Speaker 6: we're seeing now in the NBA, we do not have

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Speaker 6: nearly enough cool players and as a result, and I

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Speaker 6: think it's all fact of like the fact that now

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Speaker 6: we have cable is less than it's ever been. Now

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Speaker 6: people are streaming, you end up seeing the same four

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Speaker 6: commercials for Progressive Insurance and Scoop. There it is Tostitos

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Speaker 6: as opposed and maybe Jimmy Butler singing about Michelo Blite.

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Speaker 6: But it's not necessarily in the same way that it

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Speaker 6: cut through the noise of the gotta be the shoes

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Speaker 6: or the jay, you know what I'm saying, those commercials,

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Speaker 6: and I think that has a major impact of the

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Speaker 6: way that we view professional especially professional basketball today.

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Speaker 2: Well again, when you you can market cool, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: make it cool. In other words, to me, it's sort

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Speaker 2: of like a nickname.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It always bothered me about Kobe that he essentially gave

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Speaker 2: himself his nickname Black Mamba. Same thing with Lebron. Nickname

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Speaker 2: is given to you. That's how nickname works. I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend of mine named Stan and we

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Speaker 2: had a roommate of ours who was brought some girl

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Speaker 2: along with six of us sitting around in an altered

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Speaker 2: state of mind, and she walked in the room and

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Speaker 2: he's introducing everybody to everybody, you know, like never going

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Speaker 2: to see her again. Right about a month later, same group,

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Speaker 2: we're all sitting room and he comes back with the

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Speaker 2: same girl. He goes, you remember everybody, She goes, I

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Speaker 2: remember you. You're Stu, pointing at Stan. Literally for the

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Speaker 2: rest of his life, he's Stu. He became Stu. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was like, that's it.

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Speaker 3: You're Stu.

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Speaker 2: You're not Stan anymore. You're Stu. And so when when

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Speaker 2: you think about cool again, you can mark it. Cool

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Speaker 2: doesn't make you cool. And I'm really as soon as

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Speaker 2: you talk about the lack of coolness in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: so you think about it, okay, not asking you who

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Speaker 2: the best player is in the NBA, who is the

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Speaker 2: coolest player in the NBA. One of the things about

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan was is that not only was he the

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Speaker 2: best player in the NBA, he was the coolest player

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Speaker 2: in the NBA. That could be a knock against Lebron

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Speaker 2: great player, not as cool. Certainly was Kobe cool.

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Speaker 6: I think Kobe made you feel something and I think

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Speaker 6: that's really important as well.

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Speaker 2: Certainly he registered with Laker fans, But on the whole,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he was as cool.

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Speaker 6: But the thing is, if the close cousin of cool

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Speaker 6: is being a lightning rod and that, like you had

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Speaker 6: an opinion, would you say that, Ran? I think that's

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Speaker 6: what matters when you talk about great great players.

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Speaker 2: Bird and Magic were cool.

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Speaker 6: Magic was cool. I would not say Bird was Bird

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Speaker 6: had his own thing going. I would say, but that

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Speaker 6: was that's what made him cool.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you, see what I'm saying. Like in

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Speaker 2: other words, yeah, he wasn't trying to be anything other

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Speaker 2: than who he.

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Speaker 6: Was stereotypically cool, but his personality, the way, yeah, the

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Speaker 6: way he carried.

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Speaker 2: Himself right, and then by the way he's become cooler

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Speaker 2: with time, like you can hear now all the guys

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Speaker 2: went up against him.

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Speaker 6: But I think, like even though Halliburton is he cool,

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Speaker 6: He's got personality out the wazoo, right, He's got so

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Speaker 6: he's his game when the shots he makes at the

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Speaker 6: end of games are larger than life, And I.

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Speaker 2: Think, is he Reggie Miller cool?

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Speaker 3: That's the thing I.

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Speaker 6: Think with the right marketing campaign behind Tyre's Halliburton, he's

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Speaker 6: a good looking guy smiles and saying good hair, like

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Speaker 6: he's He's the type of guy that like, we should

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Speaker 6: be behind in the NBA Finals and be like this

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Speaker 6: guy is awesome, and I think with a better campaign

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Speaker 6: behind him, he would be.

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Speaker 2: Well think about it. He has done something that I'm

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Speaker 2: sure has never been done. He's had a game winning shot,

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Speaker 2: game winning shot in all four series that the Pacers

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Speaker 2: have been in.

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Speaker 6: One of the producer, Shay is texting me what the

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Speaker 6: kids call it now is aura?

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. Kolbe had aura. How he has aura?

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Speaker 2: Does that make you cool?

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Speaker 6: I think that cool is Well, we're saying cool because

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Speaker 6: we're too old in the eyes of these guys. So

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Speaker 6: what they're saying the new phrasing what we should be saying,

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Speaker 6: is aura.

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Speaker 2: So the new cool is aura, is what he said.

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Speaker 2: There you go, all right? Well it is an interesting

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Speaker 2: question though, like who is the coolest? Who has the

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Speaker 2: most r in the NBA? Much more coming up on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: Radio Radio rolling along here on another busy sports Saturday.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday, and we are broadcasting live

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Speaker 2: from the Fox Sports Radio studios. I always had faith,

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Speaker 2: I always had faith. My fellow UCLA bruin would jump

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Speaker 2: on when he deemed fit. He wanted to get us

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Speaker 2: a warmed up where he came on and made his

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Speaker 2: big appearance. Today, the great Ryan Hollins is here.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: How are you? Ryan?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Steve, how you doing, brother.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. You know, we've just been kicking around

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Speaker 2: a few things. In the first hour. We had an

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Speaker 2: extended conversation with Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider, about the

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, the signing with the Steelers, and obviously we're

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Speaker 2: talking about these NBA finals Before we get to the

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Speaker 2: basketball though, I want to get your thoughts on something

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Speaker 2: we were talking about this. You know, Mike Tomlin has

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Speaker 2: never had a losing season in as many years as

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Speaker 2: the coach of the Steelers, and some people are predicting

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Speaker 2: that Aaron Rodgers will hand him his first losing season.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I mean, this is the same Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: who did start all seven games seventeen games for the

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Speaker 2: Jets a year ago. And if you remember Roethlisberger's last year,

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Speaker 2: he could barely throw the ball ten yards down the field.

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Speaker 2: Then he had Kenny Pickett. You have justin Fields. He

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Speaker 2: had Mason Rudolph, you had Russell Wilson. He's got to

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Speaker 2: be better than those guys, right. I'm not so quick

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Speaker 2: to dismiss the idea that this impressive street that Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin has had of non losing seasons is going to

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Speaker 2: end with Aaron Rodgers. I would think that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: could at least win nine games this year.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts, Well, it wouldn't be about talent.

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Speaker 7: It would be that there are other issues, you know,

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Speaker 7: with commitment or you know, the drama. But I think

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Speaker 7: that the Steelers have a pretty good vision of what

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Speaker 7: Aaron Rodgers is. And with the Jets, the mindset was

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Speaker 7: he was going to have the same success that Tom

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Speaker 7: Brady and Tom Brady had it. Aaron Rodgers is just

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Speaker 7: as talented, just as good. He shouldn't be able to

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Speaker 7: play into his forties, no big deal. Unfortunately he wasn't.

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Speaker 7: Then there was the power struggle with the Jets, and

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Speaker 7: you know, you had kind of Aaron's team and then

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Speaker 7: the coaching and the general manager and it just ended

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Speaker 7: up being a mess there and it was the biggest

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Speaker 7: story in football. But I think it's safe to say

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Speaker 7: that the Steelers are going to build around their defense,

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Speaker 7: which is really good, their run game, and they're going

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Speaker 7: to simplify the packages that they give to Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 7: So I think they will be better. Now Roger proceeds

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Speaker 7: to get Mike Tomlin fired this season, and it just

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Speaker 7: has a you know, falls off a cliff. You know

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Speaker 7: this will not be because of his talent. Steve, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: I didn't mean to laugh.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, looking at it, I mean, it's just absurd.

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Speaker 3: If he does that, it.

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Speaker 2: Would be And again I'm not saying it's impossible because

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, everything's about timing. But here here's the point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Jets are a losing organization. They're losers.

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Speaker 2: They've been losers with a lot of quarterbacks long before

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers showed up. Steelers are winners. I mean, think

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Speaker 2: about this point I make about the Steelers. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: not knocking on the door of a super Bowl right now.

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Speaker 2: But to maintain this, you know, streak of not having

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Speaker 2: a losing season without a quarterback, you know, because we

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Speaker 2: saw the Patriots, they fell off the cliff. I remember

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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers after their long extended run in

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Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, they fell off the cliff. This

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Speaker 2: team hasn't fallen off the cliff. You know, They've been

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Speaker 2: able to at least keep their head above water. So

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Speaker 2: you know, this is a very different organization than he

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Speaker 2: played for last year. Very different. It's a winning organization.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how it all plays out. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to side on caution people that are really

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Speaker 2: to bet the bank that somehow the Steelers are going

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Speaker 2: to have a I mean, the over under is eight

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Speaker 2: and a half wins and that has not changed, by

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Speaker 2: the way since he signed. So again, if you're going

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Speaker 2: over and that means nine to eight, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: over right now. Are you going to over under eight

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Speaker 2: and a half? Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Eight and a half?

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Speaker 7: Look, man, I'll go I'll go over the eight. I'm

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Speaker 7: an Aaron Rodgers fan. I hope he does well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I would just hate for that to end with Aaron Rodgerson.

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Speaker 7: Maybe this year, you know, he decides to hang him

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00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 7: up after this season. I'm not sure, but.

868
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: They really Here's the thing, Ryan, Look, you play for

869
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: a number of organizations in the NBA. Some are winners,

870
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: summer losers. You could tell the difference right.

871
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 7: You can tell the difference. You're right, you can tell

872
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 7: the difference. The biggest difference, Steve, that I'll say is culture.

873
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 7: And some people may say, what's culture? Let's just simplify

874
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 7: culture like this, we're all on the same page.

875
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: We are.

876
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 7: The Lakers have a culture of being the biggest stars,

877
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 7: okay in the league. There's a there's a swagger with

878
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 7: being a Laker. Hey, san Antonio was the blue collar workers,

879
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 7: you know, who just came to work every day.

880
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: They did not care about being cool.

881
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 7: That's what they are, you know, like, like you build

882
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 7: your culture, how do you identify?

883
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: You know what the Steelers are and for teams.

884
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 7: That I played for, you knew what it was and

885
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 7: you can feel you can feel it from.

886
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: Ownership on down.

887
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 7: It's just the energy that buzzers through the arena and

888
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 7: it's the echo that you could say the ball club.

889
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 7: So Aaron Rodgers, there's already a culture there with the Steelers.

890
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 7: They know who they are, they know what's built. Steve,

891
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 7: I think it's absurd when people want to fire Mike

892
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 7: Tomlan Am I crazy.

893
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: No, No, you don't, I mean I understand. Look, the

894
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: idea is they've lost four times in the last five

895
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: years in the first round of the playoffs. And this

896
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: is the Steelers six Super Bowl championships, tied for the

897
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: most of any franchise in the NFL six Super Bowl championships.

898
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying to lower the bar because this

899
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: is the argument as UCLA guys, right, you know, the

900
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: idea that they're like, well, come on, coach would have

901
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 2: left fifty years ago. Since then, UCLA has won one

902
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: national championship. And I'm like, okay, look, Ryan Hollins was

903
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: one of the key members of a UCLA team that

904
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: got all the way to the National Championship game in

905
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. Is there a banner for that team? No? No,

906
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean almost any other university would have a banner

907
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: like you know, you know NCAA finalists, you know that

908
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: kind of thing. They're not at UCLA. And then so,

909
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: you know, when you're the Steelers, when you're you CLA basketball,

910
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: when you're the LA Lakers, to me, it's about championship

911
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: or nothing. Yeah, and so, and that's that's that's the

912
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: argument for Steeler fans with Mike Tomlin is like, you know,

913
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: he won one championship and that was in his second

914
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: year back in two thousand and eight.

915
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: Well, here's my thing, though, Steve, what did he mess up? Like?

916
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: Like did he get you know, a loaded team? Okay?

917
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: Like like what did he mess up? Like?

918
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 7: Like now, if if Tomlin got a group that he

919
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 7: couldn't coach, that he couldn't get the potential out of them,

920
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 7: I'd sit back and say, Okay, yeah he messed that up. Okay,

921
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 7: it didn't work. But if he didn't have that, how

922
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 7: did get what you asked for? And I would challenge, like,

923
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 7: what team is winning the Super Bowl? Like if he

924
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 7: had a Super Bowl roster which starts with the quarterback.

925
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: And it didn't work out? Cool? Did he did he

926
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: ruin Patrick Mahomes? Did he mess that up? Like that's

927
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: how you get fired.

928
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 7: So I don't see it as if they've gotten you know,

929
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 7: these these big time players. And football is much different,

930
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 7: you know with with basketball. You know, I don't like

931
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 7: to say the word. It's the T word, Steve, you know,

932
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 7: the yeah yeah, where you just kind of you just

933
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 7: you just lose on purpose.

934
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: Okay. It makes sense in basketball because the number one.

935
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 7: Pick can do wonders for you. You know, Cooper Flack can

936
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 7: do wonders for you. Teams want to get them. You know,

937
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 7: when you have a player like that in a deep

938
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 7: draft football, not quite so much you get a first

939
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 7: round or that. That's a valued position. Obviously, if you

940
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 7: get a quarterback that works for you, you can do it.

941
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 7: But other than that, it's it's pretty even. So I

942
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 7: don't know the expectations with the Steelers, like they just

943
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 7: have this this team that should have won the super

944
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 7: Bowl year after year after year. That puts Tomlin on

945
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 7: the hot seat.

946
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, the question is who did they lose

947
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: to that they were expected to beat Nobody. I mean,

948
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: in all they when they in these playoff games, they

949
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: were playing against better teams. By the way, yeah, you

950
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about tanking when everything is fixed

951
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: in the NBA. Let's see they want so you went

952
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: to the Mavericks and he said, all right, we need

953
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: some help right now. We got no buzz after the

954
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: All Star break. We need a big trade. We need

955
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: to help out the Lakers. Lakers need to be relevant.

956
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: You got to give them donches for next to nothing.

957
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: But here's the guarantee. Even though you're only gonna have

958
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: a one point eight percent chance to have it the

959
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: number one were more like, sure you got that number

960
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: one overall pick and then you can get Cooper flag

961
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: and build a new dynasty. Well, all worked out beautifully. Okay,

962
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna just you know, even for those that

963
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: doubt it. Sometimes there are so many things that happen

964
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: in the NBA. You're like, gee, really, how did how

965
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: did Wimby end up with Saninto? I don't know, just

966
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: interesting how that works out. All right, We're gonna break

967
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: a little early because coming up on the other side,

968
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 2: I actually have a line of questioning that Martin Weiss

969
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: asked a little bit earlier, talking about what I used

970
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: to in my generation term is someone that is cool,

971
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: But now I'm not found out that's not the term anymore.

972
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 2: It's who has the aur ara?

973
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 3: Arera?

974
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: Are you hearing that now? I mean, is the term

975
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: aura as opposed to like, you know, who's cool?

976
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: I got a good one for you. Okay, you want

977
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: to now? You want to later?

978
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 2: Uh do it. On the other side, also, we're gonna

979
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: be checking in with our NBA insider, Mark Medina. This

980
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Harvey, Ryan Hollins. Here Fox

981
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. We are live from the Fox Sports Radio

982
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: studios for the best pregame show every week, and be

983
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: sure to tune into Fox Sports Radios Countdown presented by

984
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Speaker 2: bet MGM, every Saturday and Sunday morning from nine am

985
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,760
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986
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: countdown all the biggest games. No better place to prime

987
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: you for all the postseason games that are going on

988
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,799
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989
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,800
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990
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: and the iHeartRadio app. All right, we're gonna be joined

991
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: shortly here by Mark Medina, our MEBA insider. But first

992
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: I have a question wish for you, Ryan, and then

993
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: you want to reciprocate. Apparently, So the thing we were

994
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: talking about, I think Martin brought up was the idea

995
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: of cool. Uh would I term cool? But now I've

996
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: been informed by some of the younger guys around here,

997
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: it's more about aura, Like which player in the NBA

998
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: has the most are So obviously you're around the NBA

999
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: all the time. Now, Ryan, who is the a coolest

1000
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: slash player with the most are currently playing in the NBA?

1001
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: Ooh, most aura?

1002
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the NBA currently right now, who is the

1003
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: coolest in my what the coolest player in the league?

1004
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: Uh, Shay is up there, SGA.

1005
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 7: Jalen Green, our guy Jalen Green in Houston is up

1006
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 7: there with aura?

1007
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 3: Who else has aura?

1008
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 2: Like real or I'll give you an answer that they're

1009
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 2: all telling me and you haven't mentioned.

1010
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: Him yet, talk to me.

1011
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: They are saying the younger generation, it's a Anthony Edwards.

1012
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: They think he is the coolest or has the most

1013
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: aura of any current player in the NBA.

1014
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 7: Well, I'm thinking more, I think his energy is there.

1015
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 7: I'm thinking more of the way.

1016
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: You dressed, if that makes sense.

1017
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 7: Like aura is kind of like it's swagger, is the

1018
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 7: way you dressed?

1019
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: Now?

1020
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 7: Ant has the charisma, but the aura and Steve were Dayton.

1021
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 7: You know, you're we're stepping into a different realm that

1022
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 7: we're not really a part of. But the the aura

1023
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 7: is there. Kyle Kouzma has aura. Jordan Clarkson has aura.

1024
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 7: You know when he's on the floor, h Ant Scott charisma.

1025
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 7: We're going charisma there with Aunt. Who else has aura?

1026
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, it's there's a difference though.

1027
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: All right, Well, save what you got for me coming

1028
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: up because joining us right now to give us a

1029
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: little inside on what is currently going on the Pacers.

1030
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: Are they for real? I mean, are the Pacers going

1031
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: to actually win an NBA championship. Mark Mendin, our NBA insider,

1032
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: is joining us right now. So Mark, we've seen this before,

1033
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 2: right we saw I was relating back in two thousand

1034
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: and one when Ai Allen Iverson won off on the

1035
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: Lakers in Game one of the NBA Finals. Had a

1036
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: friend of mine that was a Laker hater texted me

1037
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: immediately saying it's over, Lakers are going down. My retort was,

1038
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: the Lakers will not lose another game, and they didn't,

1039
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: including three straight in Philadelphia. So when you look at

1040
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: the results, Pacers are up one game to none. Was

1041
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 2: it an aberration or is it a sign of things

1042
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: to come as we continue on with these NBA Finals.

1043
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think it's an aberration. The Pacers have

1044
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 8: shown that they're the comeback Kings. Tyrres halburn sits for

1045
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 8: three pointers. So they've gone to the stage for reasons

1046
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 8: beyond the fact that New York and Boston weren't fully healthy.

1047
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 8: They're the real deal now. I think it's a larger point.

1048
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 8: I don't think that this means that they're going to

1049
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 8: win the series. I still think the Thunder will do that.

1050
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 8: They're the best team in the West. Shake Gildess Alexander's

1051
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 8: been consistent. I think that the low hanging fruit, when

1052
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 8: you're looking at you know what to do for game two,

1053
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 8: go back to their traditional starting line of number one,

1054
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 8: number two. I think that Chet Holmgern and Jail Williams

1055
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 8: will shoot the ball better. But I think when you're

1056
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: looking at game one specifically, it wasn't just a matter

1057
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 8: of oh, the Thunder choked the game away. It was

1058
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 8: that the Pacers are a very resilient team, and they

1059
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 8: also have a really good young player, Tyres Halberd, who

1060
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 8: knows how to make clutch plays.

1061
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 7: If we were going to say there's a cause for

1062
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 7: alarm with the Thunder from after watching Game one, I

1063
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 7: heard you just say you didn't feel like they choked

1064
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 7: the game away. But what would be something that would

1065
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 7: make you look and question, hey, we need to fix this.

1066
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 7: What would it be if you're the Thunder Mark Dagnell, Yeah.

1067
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's the three things. I think they

1068
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 8: got to go back to starting Isaiah Installment. That's the

1069
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 8: lineup that got them to where they are now. I

1070
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 8: think number two they got to cut down the turnovers

1071
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 8: the Pacers if they're able to force turnovers. As you know, Ryan,

1072
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 8: they're a very fast paced team in the open floor,

1073
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 8: so you've got to shut that fauted off. And then

1074
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 8: three they got to get shut Homegern and Jane Williams

1075
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 8: to make more shots. I mean, when you're looking at

1076
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 8: the Thunder on taper, they have more depth in the Pacers.

1077
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 8: The Pacers have a lot of depth. The Thunder have more.

1078
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Speaker 8: But there's always an important X factor when you're looking

1079
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 8: the fact that Shay you assume that he's going to

1080
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 8: put up high twenty points, thirty points, but they have

1081
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 8: to have a consistent X factor and that honor used

1082
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 8: to belong to Jane Williams, but he did not shoot

1083
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 8: the ball well. He's been more consistent this season with

1084
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 8: moving off the ball gaining a three point shot going.

1085
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 8: But he has to hit shots because when you're looking

1086
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 8: at the Pacers, they have the ultimate X factor and

1087
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 8: probably a bigger X factor in Pascalcia. I mean he

1088
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 8: won that Eastern Conference Finals MVP for a reason. Because

1089
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 8: he's so efficient, he's so good at playing off with

1090
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 8: tyrish Aalburn. So when you're looking at both teams, it

1091
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 8: doesn't just start with their two play their star players.

1092
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 8: They have to have a dependable secondary guy that you

1093
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 8: know what you're going to get out on a night in,

1094
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 8: night out.

1095
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 2: Basis, when you look at Rick Carlisle, you say to yourself, man,

1096
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: he's been around a long time and he's had success

1097
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: everywhere he's been. That started in Detroit, Indiana obviously wins

1098
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: a championship in Dallas. I loved his postgame comments, harping

1099
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: on the fact that their team had to set some

1100
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: sort of record for most turnovers in the first half

1101
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: in an NBA Finals game. He also was had high

1102
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: praise for Okse's defense, which I found pretty hilarious because

1103
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: the fact was Pacers got some open looks and knock

1104
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: down their shots. But I mean, somehow Rick Carlisle flies

1105
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: under the radar. In my opinion, He's already got a

1106
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 2: ticket for the Hall of Fame. But what, in your

1107
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: opinion is his greatest asset as a coach.

1108
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that you know, he knows his stuff,

1109
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 8: number one, But number two, I think he is very adaptable.

1110
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 8: I mean, he was a coach in previously that believed

1111
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 8: in a lot of structure, and you know that was

1112
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 8: because of the personnel that he had. But now he's

1113
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 8: allowing Tyres Talburn to do his thing. And that was

1114
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 8: indicative when that he didn't call time out in that

1115
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 8: final play. Now hear me out, you might do a

1116
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 8: double take and laugh, especially from the source, but it

1117
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 8: did make sense. I was talking to you know, Ron

1118
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 8: Arts Tests Standiford art Tests about this Pacers team because

1119
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 8: of the fact that he was on the previous Pacers

1120
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 8: team that once in the two thousand and four East Finals,

1121
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 8: and he likened Rick Carlisle to Nas because of just

1122
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 8: their longevity, how they've been innovative, creative. It does make sense.

1123
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Speaker 8: I did a double take because I didn't when you're

1124
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 8: looking at compare and I would not think of Rick

1125
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 8: Carlisle being like Knas. But it does make sense. And

1126
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Speaker 8: I think what Meta's main point is is that he's

1127
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 8: evolved a lot. And the point that you made, Steve

1128
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 8: about Rick Carlo Carlisle being in the Hall of Fame

1129
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 8: is dead on. And Metta himself said, you know what,

1130
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 8: if it wasn't for me like he would have won

1131
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 8: a lot more rings because of the fact that, you know,

1132
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 8: he was involved with the Palace brawl and all that.

1133
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 8: He also took ownership for their shortcomings against Detroit in

1134
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 8: the two thousand and four playoffs. So I think it

1135
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 8: shouldn't be lost on anyone that when the Miami Heat

1136
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 8: super team formed that first year, you know who was

1137
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 8: the coach on the other end, Rick Carlisle, and he

1138
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 8: played a huge factor in Dirk Nvitski and that strong

1139
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 8: supporting cast of the Dallas Mavericks having enough to beat

1140
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 8: a super loaded Heap team with le Bron and Dwayne

1141
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 8: Wade and Chris Bosh.

1142
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 7: Why were the Pacers so slept on? Why didn't nobody

1143
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 7: believe in them?

1144
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: Why? Why did nobody picked them? Why is Tyree's Halliburton

1145
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: the most underrated star that we have in our league?

1146
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: What?

1147
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: Why is that?

1148
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 7: Why is everybody just looking just completely Is it? Is

1149
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 7: it their success because, I mean they went to the

1150
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 7: Eastern Conference finals last year?

1151
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: Right? Is it?

1152
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 7: Is it because they're in Indiana, like like they don't

1153
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 7: have TV games?

1154
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: What is it?

1155
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1156
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 8: I think it's a combination of a lot of things.

1157
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 8: Here's what's fair I think what's fair is that playoff

1158
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 8: last playoff. Yes, the teams that they faced, they weren't

1159
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 8: fully healthy. They had a rough start to the beginning

1160
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 8: of the season, most notable with Tyres Auburn going up

1161
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 8: and down as far as his play his health. But

1162
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 8: what isn't fair is that they've always been a resilient team.

1163
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 8: Tyree's has always been the best passing point guard in

1164
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 8: the NBA the past two seasons, and they've had a

1165
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 8: lot of depth, and them getting Pascal Siakam in that

1166
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 8: pre trade deadline deal really put them over the top

1167
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 8: because they have now another all star caliber that knows

1168
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 8: how to playoff of Tyres, and they are just very

1169
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 8: well coached and everyone knows their role. And so yeah,

1170
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 8: when you're looking at the playoff landscape, there's always external

1171
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 8: factors that explain why they're there. But they're not there

1172
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 8: because they're just the last team standing. They're there because

1173
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 8: they're very, very good. And so when you're looking at

1174
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 8: Tyres yess he deserves some questions about, Okay, why does

1175
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 8: he have some games where he doesn't shoot the ball well,

1176
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 8: not aggressive enough, But the reality is he's usually putting

1177
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 8: double digit assists to night basis, and even if he's

1178
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 8: not scoring the ball a lot, he's getting other guys involved.

1179
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 8: But when it comes crunch times, he has had a

1180
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 8: trek record that he takes over the game and he

1181
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 8: knocks down those shots. And so not surprising the way

1182
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 8: Game one ended with him because it literally has happened

1183
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 8: three other times this postseason.

1184
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: All right, one final thing here, Mark is we get

1185
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: ready for Game two to tomorrow. So okay See has

1186
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: yet to lose back to back games in these playoffs.

1187
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: Their rebound game has been won by an average of

1188
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: twenty point five points, although that's a little deceiving because

1189
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: they had a two point win to five point win.

1190
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: What do you see? I mean, are we going to

1191
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: see a big bounce back in Game two okay See

1192
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: obviously been a dominant team most of the year at home,

1193
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: or are we going to see another game go down

1194
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: to the wire where Okase fans are going to hold

1195
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: their breadth that it doesn't happen again. How do you

1196
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: see this happening tomorrow?

1197
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 3: Well?

1198
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 8: See, But I think what's fascinating I think is both

1199
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 8: scenarios happen. The thunder have a bounce back game, they

1200
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 8: reduce the turnovers, they have, Jaylen Williams and chet Holmger

1201
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 8: improve their game, Shay Gilgess Alexander maintain hit excellent spot.

1202
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 8: This is still going to be a close game. I

1203
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 8: still favor the Thunder to win Game two and to

1204
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 8: win the series. But any idea that this is a

1205
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 8: lopsided series haven't been watching the Pacers. I think every

1206
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 8: game of this series is going to go down to

1207
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 8: the why So even if I still favor the Thunder,

1208
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 8: I think they wrapped this up in six. It's not

1209
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 8: going to feel like this was a blowout series. This

1210
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 8: is going to feel like, you know what this made

1211
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 8: for competitive basketball, And even if the ratings wind up

1212
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 8: not being what they were if they had traditional powerhouses

1213
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 8: with generational stars, you know what, the quality of basketball

1214
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 8: is still good. And you know that's the league's problem

1215
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 8: or that they either care about or not. It's all

1216
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 8: them to handle. But from a pure basketball fan perspective,

1217
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 8: these games are going to be really fun to watch

1218
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 8: from now to the end.

1219
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: Well, if you get more games like we did in

1220
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: Game one, believe me, people will be watching because people

1221
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: are talking, and that's how you get interest in the

1222
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: NBA Finals. Great stuff as always Mark. We'll check in

1223
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: with you next week, Steve.

1224
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 8: Appreciate you as well as Ryan Stave, if you don't

1225
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 8: mind me saying. Jim Hill says hi, And he also

1226
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 8: passed along, Hey, when can he join the show.

1227
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: Jim anytime? Are you kidding me? I mean he's got

1228
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: an open invite. I'll call Jim and bring him on

1229
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: the show. Great stuff is always Mark, Thanks so much.

1230
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 8: Appreciate you guys.

1231
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: That is the great Mark Medina Johnnius right there. Yeah,

1232
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: my longtime partner in crime, Jim Hill. Way back in

1233
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: the day.

1234
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,479
Speaker 3: Ryan, you know, oh legendary days one.

1235
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve twelve years we sat side by side when

1236
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: you were there. I mean it was like when you're

1237
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: at UCLA. I will never forget this I was doing.

1238
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: I was in studio when you guys played that infamous

1239
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: game against Gonzaga on your way to the you know

1240
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: finals there and the incredible comeback, the crying Adam Morrison

1241
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: and everything else. And I was on the set with

1242
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: my dear friend, the great Sonny Vicaro, And it seems

1243
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: like just yesterday, we'll have to do the Jim Hill

1244
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: thing at some point, bring him on us a guest.

1245
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: But right now we need to find out what is

1246
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 2: a trending. A man that has done it literally all

1247
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: today in a very short amount of time. Hard for

1248
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: the course, for the great Martin Weiss. What's happening, Martin Steve.

1249
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 6: So when you're called to duty, you know, with great

1250
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 6: power comes great responsibility.

1251
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: Great pinch hitter, the great Manny Motive back in the

1252
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: day when I was a kid, the greatest pinch hitter

1253
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: of all time with the Dodgers. Yeah, you can do that.

1254
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 6: Let's get into some Major League Baseball had a barn

1255
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 6: burner in Florida. Today it's in Tampa as the Marlins

1256
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 6: beat the Rays eleven to.

1257
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: Ten in ten innings.

1258
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 6: White Sox beat the Royals four to one, five to

1259
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 6: three the score and extras, as the Astros beat the Guardians.

1260
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 6: The Reds beat the Diamondbacks twice today. Thirteen to one

1261
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 6: was the one scheduled for today, but Friday's game was

1262
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 6: postponed due to rain and resumed today four to three

1263
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 6: the score and that one that one extra innings. Cubs

1264
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 6: beat the Tiger six to one. Pete c Armstrong had

1265
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 6: a seventeenth home run. Blue Jays beat the Twins five

1266
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 6: to four, Cardinals two to one over the Dodgers, Phillies

1267
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 6: two to one over them I'm sorry, Pirates two to

1268
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 6: one over the Phillies.

1269
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber did hit a.

1270
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 6: Home run, though, tier the Rangers five to nothing over

1271
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 6: the Nationals. Giants beat the Braves three to two and

1272
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 6: also saw the Bryce Harper go to the ten day

1273
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 6: injured list with right wrist information. The Dodgers plays Tony

1274
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 6: Gonsolin on the injured list with elbow discomfort. The Braves

1275
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 6: sent Craig Kimbrill down to Triple A for assignment, and

1276
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 6: tennis to a twenty one year old American Coco Golf

1277
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 6: won the French Open Ladies Singles title, golf second career

1278
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 6: Grand Slam championship. She also won the US Open at

1279
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. Memphis Grizzly center Zach edy reinjured his

1280
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 6: left ankle and an offseason workout this week. He needs

1281
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 6: surgery that will likely cause him to miss the start

1282
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 6: of next season.

1283
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: And this just in. Ryan Hollins needs an alarm clock.

1284
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: Oh oh well, I mean, let's see, So you're are

1285
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: you in Houston right now?

1286
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: Ryan? I am in Houston?

1287
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me see there would be what is

1288
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: about six thirty there?

1289
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's six thirty, six thirty.

1290
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, you know, you never know when you're

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Speaker 2: gonna take you get a few z's, you know, so happens, Steve.

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Speaker 7: I was here and I was prepared, I had I'm like,

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 7: I know it worked today, I know I'm here, but I'm.

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01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 3: Like, when what time do I do? I don't know.

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01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 2: Listen, it's it's a weird start, right in other words,

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: we only do a couple hours and where you are,

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01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: that would be a five o'clock start. Are you one

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: of those Do you take naps? Are you a napper?

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Speaker 3: I'm a napper now, yeah. But I couldn't find the time,

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01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: and I couldn't.

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Speaker 7: I had a feeling in my and my bones and

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01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 7: my gut was saying I just was off the time

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01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 7: and apparently I laid down at the absolute worst time possible.

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 2: Well that's okay, because you're back stronger than ever. By

1305
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: the way, a couple of things. We're live from the

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01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio studios, and don't forget after the show,

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01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: the podcast is going up. We've got everything today, So

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: if you miss any of today's show, check out the

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01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: podcast just for search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: your podcasts, and then follow review the podcast. Just search

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01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts. You see

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Speaker 2: today's show posted right after do we get off the air?

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: All right, so there was something before we had Mark

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01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: Medina on that you wanted to throw back at me.

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 7: Right, Well, for one, I want Martin to know that

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01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 7: if I had his voice, I'd make a whole lot

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01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 7: more money and it would have had a lot more

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 7: opportunities on the broadcast side.

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01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: You hear that, Martin, We've had a lot.

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01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: I've had a lot more money.

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Speaker 7: It's like hands, that's his voice is like an NBA

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01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 7: player having big hands, like like that would have been

1323
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 7: two or three more rebounds a game for me.

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Speaker 6: Okay, if I had that voice, my voice for your height,

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01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 6: The height pays more, buddy.

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Speaker 3: It'll comes somewhere in between. Okay, it's I have big hands,

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: I had little hands, got little hands. I love it.

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: I love the mutual respect air, no question all So yeah.

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01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 7: Okay, here we go, Here we goes. This is what

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01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 7: I got to say, is that we were talking about

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01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 7: and Martin loves this. It's called Aura. Yeah, so I

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01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 7: can't it's it's like it's become a thing.

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Speaker 3: And it's like Mike brain right.

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01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 7: And I think the other day how the Burton hits

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 7: the game winner and he goes it was a two point.

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01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 7: I couldn't say bang for that like I had, like

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 7: those bangs don't come out. But when our guys, if

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01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 7: we get a big performance, and this is with the kids,

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 7: this is the big one, Steve. We're teaching lesson right now.

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,959
Speaker 7: It's called ara maxing when.

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Speaker 3: You are on a whole different level.

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Speaker 7: And Martin knows this. Martin knows that Martin's young enough,

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01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 7: he knows this. Okay, Steve, I'm teaching me and you

1344
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 7: are learning. I'm called or maxing, and against the right

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01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 7: when I learned it, where our guys are playing against

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01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 7: the Celtics hadn't won there in Boston in some time,

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01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 7: and Amen Thompson's going off and I go, he's oor maxing,

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01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 7: and oh boy, the fan base, the under twenty one

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 7: fan base lost it, and they have not let me

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Speaker 7: live it down to this day. Maxing and I tell them,

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 7: they're like, say it again. I'm like, no, we don't

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01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,520
Speaker 7: just thought or maxing anytime.

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: Wow, I love that. And you just came up with that.

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: It just no no, no, no no, no, asked Martin.

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 7: I didn't come up with it, no no, no, no

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01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 7: a maxinge.

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Speaker 2: But that made you more relatable to your audience, is

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: what you're saying with the under twenty arming? Ian get

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: in on this conversation right now, So our producer, Ian,

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Speaker 2: who is all of what twenty four five, twenty five? Now,

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: I don't have a short change you. So you you

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: came running in talking about this are a thing as

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01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: I was, you know, throwing out the uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: very very very worn out term cool. You know how

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01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 2: we got on this. We were talking about Bo Jackson

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01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: way back in the day that he was you know,

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Speaker 2: he had a relatively short sports career, but his coolness

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01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: never left. He was cool. Everyone Bo knows. So what

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Speaker 2: do you make What do you make of what Ryan's

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 2: saying here, Ian about are a maxim?

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Speaker 9: Yeah no, I I'd heard that too, But but I

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Speaker 9: was wondering if you guys had heard aora farming too,

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 9: because that's another term that's kind of growing among the US.

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Speaker 7: So there's the deal where Steve, this is going to

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 7: get kind of complicated, all right? If I walk by you,

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01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 7: right and I drop a paper, right, and Steve, you're

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 7: a gentleman, right, you pick up your paper.

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Speaker 3: You go to hand me the paper.

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01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I pull out a sharp and I

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 7: sign it like an autograph.

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Speaker 3: That's or a farm wow thing, that's that. It would

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Speaker 3: be yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Manufacturing your own aura. That is wow. That would be.

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: That's something that I got to do something like that.

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes you did that every time you come in the studio.

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01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: You put me aura. You're all max I am or

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Speaker 2: a maxed Wow, some of my advanced stage that I

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01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: guess that's a cool thing, is it? Is it cool?

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01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: I don't know? Okay, cool, you're him? Hashtag him. That's

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Speaker 2: Mary mac who's all of twenty are you twenty two?

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Speaker 3: She gets it very good gets it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets it. Wow. Okay, Yeah, that's Curl. I'm

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, I mean just remember this. I was

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01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: sports editor of the Daily Bruin when we got to

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: the championship game in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, oh wow, nineteen eighty I was four years old.

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01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Larry Brown. And by the way, somebody

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01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: sent me a video of the semi final game when

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: UCLA be Purdue, led by the great Joe Barry Carroll

1400
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: not so great, and he's most infamous because he was

1401
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: traded in a Golden State deal where Golden State ended

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: up giving the Celtics Robert Parrish and the third overall

1403
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: pick in the draft that turned out to be Kevin McHale.

1404
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 2: How's that for a trade?

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: Wow?

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01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: But anyway, I was actually on the court as Brian

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: Gumbel for NBC was interviewing coach Brown, and I just

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: happened to be standing there right behind Coach Brown. Next

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01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: time you're in studio with me, Ryan, I'll show you.

1410
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 2: You'll be like blown away, Like Wow, that's really going back.

1411
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: I had the cool long hair though buck in the day,

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: and that's how that works back then. All right, we're

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 2: gonna get everybody set now for what exactly is going

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: to go down tomorrow. We got game two Pacers and

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: the OKC Thunder. Will it be a bounce back game?

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01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 2: Whereas Tyree Halliburton a player of destiny? Are the Pacers

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Speaker 2: a team of destiny? We'll break it down. This is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Harbin and Ryan Hollis here Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday Live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Want

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Speaker 2: to thank our crew today, Martin Weiss doing it all today.

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01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: I mean just literally wore every single imaginable hat during

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01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: the course of the show today. Mary Mac, I love

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: Mary Mack. She's just she's special. She's special, and I

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Thank you so much for the kind words.

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: And Ian, thanks for bringing me up today. This is

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Speaker 2: what I really lean on with Ian, our producer. I

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: need to, you know, sort of as people in my

1428
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: generations say, get hip, you know, back.

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01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: In the day.

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Speaker 9: I take pride in bridging the gap for you, Steve.

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01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 9: I desperately need that, so desperately need that. By the way,

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01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 9: I was thinking about this, Ryan, so I mentioned the

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Speaker 9: nineteen eighty final four. Of course, we were there in

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Speaker 9: two thousand and six, the only time the UCLA ever

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,879
Speaker 9: lost a championship game. We're in those two final fours.

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Speaker 9: Both were in Indianapolis, and both were in arenas that

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 9: don't exist anymore. I saw the final four at the

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 9: Old Market Square Arena and you were at the RCAA Dome.

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 2: They don't exist anymore.

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01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: Done, that's a I didn't want to think about that, Steve,

1441
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 3: but you're right.

1442
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing, isn't it amazing? How many because

1443
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: I think back to my days working with the Raiders

1444
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: back in the eighties. Almost none of the places that

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01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 2: I went to exist anymore, just only in sports.

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 5: Right.

1447
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 2: We were the teardown stadiums, teardown arenas, you know, like

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: twenty years I tear that thing down. Let's build the

1449
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: new one. It's very unique in sports.

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, no it is. And we're going into new times.

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01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 7: And yeah, I mean I still get the Hey, I

1452
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 7: remember back in Indianapolis. I was there at the Final

1453
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 7: four when you win, and you know, to get those,

1454
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 7: get those every once in a while.

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01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that RCAA Dome, it's a gunner. So all right,

1456
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: let's let's get up today where we are here in

1457
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. You know, I was thinking, I said

1458
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: the very top of the show that you know, when

1459
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: when you have a team do the inexplicable like the

1460
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: Pacers have done in this postseason. I mean, Tyre's Halliburton

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01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: has now had a game winning shot in all four

1462
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: series they've played in. And I keep thinking, like, why

1463
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: would the Pacers be like a team of destiny? You

1464
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: know I mentioned at the top there the ABA. When

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: the ABA started there were eleven franchises, only two of

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: which kept the exact same name and city through all

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: nine years of the ABA. One was the Kentucky Colonels

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 2: that folded when the ABA play teams merged with the NBA,

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: and then the Indiana Pacers, and so they won three

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Speaker 2: ABA championships, but since coming to the NBA, they had

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01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: one finals run with Reggie Miller and company back in

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Speaker 2: two thousand. But overall, I mean, the Pacers are just

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01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 2: like a team. So why would the basketball God say,

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01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: you know what, twenty twenty five, that's gonna be the

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: Pacers year. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure

1476
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: it out. I mean, when you think about it, Rick

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: Carlisle certainly one of the best coaches in the league,

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01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: and they have a team of rejects. Think about it, Halliburton,

1479
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,520
Speaker 2: Siaka min These guys are great players, but other franchises

1480
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: felt they were expendable. They got a lot of players

1481
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 2: on this team, and that I think is sort of

1482
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: carrying that collective chip on their shoulder. Plus they've also

1483
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 2: got sort of that what do we have to lose?

1484
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 2: No one's expecting us to win, and I think we

1485
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: really saw that in that fourth quarter a Game one.

1486
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts Ryan as we head into

1487
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: game two you tomorrow. Is it possible that Indiana could

1488
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 2: win back to back games on the road.

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01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 3: It's super possible. And I have no idea why people

1490
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 3: are overlooking that.

1491
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 7: I think they wanted. They just don't want their picks

1492
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 7: to be wrong at this point. That's what I see,

1493
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 7: because they didn't.

1494
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 3: Play well, they didn't shoot it well.

1495
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 7: And I think the way that Oklahoma City finished the game,

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 7: and seeing that they've already kind of switched up what

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 7: they do, like Dagnall already switched the lineup and said

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01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 7: we got to go smaller. I could see if they

1499
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 7: said we're gonna start and play the exact same way

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01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 7: we've been playing. If that doesn't work, we'll adjust from there.

1501
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 7: They made their small adjustment and it did not work,

1502
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 7: and Indianapolis finishes strong. I'll give let's be smarter here.

1503
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 7: When you look at the next game, what you're gonna

1504
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 7: look at is that down the stretch the Pacers do

1505
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 7: what they move the basketball. It's nim Hart, it's a

1506
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 7: Nie Smith, it's Topping, it's Halliburton, it's Siakam. They move

1507
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 7: the ball and find the hot hand. They're aggressive, they

1508
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 7: play together. They have what you call basketball IQ. So

1509
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 7: you say, how these rejects supposedly get to this pole.

1510
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 7: They went for the IQ. Where a lot of teams

1511
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 7: go for just the shooting or the height, or the

1512
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 7: versatility or the athleticism, there's IQ. They play at least

1513
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 7: two point guards on the floor at all times. They

1514
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 7: run their sets, they get a piece of the paint

1515
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 7: and kick. They're a very smart basketball team that makes

1516
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 7: you have to work. They move it the best that

1517
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 7: I've probably seen ball movement in the NBA in a very,

1518
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 7: very long time. They have guys that get it. Okay,

1519
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 7: Oklahoma City is the best on ball defensive team that

1520
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 7: we've seen. So what they want to do is match

1521
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 7: up with the speed of Indiana, and I thought they

1522
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 7: took away from what they do best. And what you're

1523
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 7: gonna see is a lot of one on one with Shade.

1524
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 7: Shade drops thirty eight points. Was isn't two shabby takes

1525
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 7: at the shots. That's kind of how they play. They

1526
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 7: had the lead based on turnovers steven the second half.

1527
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 7: They only turned the ball over five times. Those things

1528
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 7: got shared up. And guess what the thunder struggle to

1529
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 7: score the basketball? How do they score if they're not

1530
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 7: manufacturing points off turnovers.

1531
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 2: One of the arguments about OKC going in was they

1532
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: had the superior bench. Really their bench got outscored thirty

1533
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: nine to twenty eight in Game one by that Indiana bench.

1534
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 2: And where the hell was chet Holmgren two of nine

1535
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 2: shooting five at six point six rebounds, no assists, one block,

1536
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 2: a zero factor in this game. So when we talk

1537
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 2: about sort of the three headed monster that nucleus for

1538
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 2: the future of OKC, your MVP showed up, but Jalen

1539
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 2: Williams was six to nineteen. That cannot happen again, and

1540
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 2: Cheded Holmgren has got his he's got to show up.

1541
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: Bottom line is the Pacers all five of their starters

1542
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: were in double digits. They all can contribute it. I

1543
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 2: think coaching has a lot to do with this. But

1544
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 2: any team that is a minus eighteen in turnover ratio

1545
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: on the road and still finds a way to win

1546
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: the game, I'm with you. Look, I'm all in on

1547
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: OKC winning this, but I do think and I'm going

1548
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: to be with Mark Madina said a little bit earlier,

1549
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a very close game

1550
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: too tomorrow and who's gonna be who's going to take

1551
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: that big shot. We know who's gonna take it for Indiana.

1552
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: The guy doesn't miss is Sga gonna make that big

1553
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: shot if he needs to late in the game.

1554
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 7: I think the challenge is this getting to that position.

1555
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 7: And I heard people say, you know, why don't you

1556
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 7: just run and get the ball out of his hands.

1557
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 7: You know, he gets to those points and he's shooting

1558
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 7: the ball. He ain't passing because he passes all game long.

1559
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 7: And they're a team that is you. You feel like

1560
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 7: if you run off nim Hard, he's gonna make that shot.

1561
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know, you run off one of those guys,

1562
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 7: you're gonna give up a bucket and they're ready or

1563
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 7: another other positions or other teams you can throw that

1564
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 7: help and it won't be there.

1565
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: All right. So your prediction right now for Game two

1566
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: and the balance of the series, how it's gonna play out.

1567
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 7: Indy wins it, bro and then okay, see it gets

1568
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 7: won and they end up losing in what five?

1569
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: I would say, you're you're taking Indy in five?

1570
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 3: I will probably say six. Yeah, we'll say six. Wow.

1571
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: If the Pacers win it. What a story that's going

1572
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 2: to be people are gonna be watching. Thanks so much, right,

1573
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: keep it here. Much more coming up on Fox Sports

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