1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik a Effi Daily. 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: On this Martin Luther King Junior Holiday, I want to 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: start off today by talking about something that I literally 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: just experienced and it helped me clarify some of the 5 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: feelings that I've been having as of late. You know, 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: there will be no doubt every lawmaker, Republican Democrat, over 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: the course of today um manipulating and using Martin Luther 8 00:00:52,440 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: King's words and his life to excuse their white suppose 9 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm as saying, to excuse their lies that they believe 10 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: that because they provide holidays and pageantry and recognition to 11 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: black leaders, that they had a hand in assassinating, whether 12 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: by character or physically, that they can somehow redeem themselves. 13 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: And what I have been sitting with over the past 14 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: couple of years really is the rage that I have, 15 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: and I talk about this often. I talk about this, 16 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, often, because it's real, and the rage that 17 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: I have about the lies that I've been told about 18 00:01:52,960 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: this country from its founding to the present time is true. 19 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Us living inside of the quote that if you don't 20 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: understand or learn your history, that you are destined to 21 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: repeat it. We are living inside the reality of that text. 22 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: People don't really understand what Martin Luther King Junior in 23 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: his thirties, mind you, what he did, what he meant, 24 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: and what his life meant and his struggle meant to 25 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: advancing equity and justice in this country. White people love 26 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: to hold him now after he is dead, as they 27 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: do many of our leaders who chose nonviolence in the 28 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: face of unreal, lenting violence. They applaud it, but they 29 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: never question why they have allowed the white community to 30 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: be able to be terrorists, to be able to beat 31 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Black people for wanting to be treated with dignity and respect, 32 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: to pull veterans off of buses following their tours and 33 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: beat them to blindness. Right, stories that we just learn 34 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: about over the course of time because they have been buried. 35 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: They've been buried as a way to justify this systematic 36 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: dismantling of black humanity. I'm reflecting now too, on the 37 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: fact that my rage really is massed grief, that what 38 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: I am feeling each and every day. And forgive me, 39 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: because I may actually get incredibly emotional, but what I've 40 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: been feeling each and every day over the past couple 41 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: of years, and I have been projecting as rage is 42 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: really this profound loss, and what did I lose exactly 43 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: the sense that collectively is a nation, that we had 44 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: a desire to be better, that each generation had a 45 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: shared value in wanting to strive to not only produce 46 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: more and be more in this capitalistic structure and this 47 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: hamster wheel of productivity that we have been duped into, 48 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: but into the expansiveness of allowing people to show up 49 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: as they are and respect that just by virtue of 50 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: them being. And what I realize, and what becomes crystallized 51 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: with each and every passing day as we witness the 52 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: crumbling of our republic, is that what I had believed 53 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: to be true what guided me into my professional path 54 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: that has been so entwined with my personal path, because 55 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: I believe in justice right, and I don't believe that 56 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: because you may be black or Latin X or Muslim 57 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: or queer, or a woman, or live at the intersection 58 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: of multiple identities, that you're undeserving or that you need 59 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: to somehow consistently prove your worth, because I feel like 60 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: that is what white America has always demanded of anyone 61 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: who was not white, who was not siss, who was 62 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: not Christian, who was not male, is to prove to 63 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: me that you are worthy to stand alongside me, to 64 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: sit at my table, not a table that I made right, 65 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: but to me your worthiness. And then I get, as 66 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: white America, to be the judge, jury, and executioner on 67 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: whether or not you have made your case. And I 68 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: think that what I will say that I appreciate most 69 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: about young people right now is that they are occupying 70 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: a different set of being that I don't need to 71 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: prove shit to you right that I am worthy by 72 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: virtue of my birth. That I don't need to dress 73 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: like you, speak like you, love like you, assimilate into 74 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: your confines of what you believe American or Americanism is. 75 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: And I can't help thinking that and knowing. It's not 76 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: even a thinking, it's a knowing. It's a knowing that 77 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: everything that we are experiencing right now is in is 78 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: a direct result of a black man and a black 79 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: family occupying the White House that was built by enslaved Africans, 80 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: that we as a nation, for one brief moment, believed 81 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: that we could grow past our foundation, the foundation being 82 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: white supremacy, being patriarchy, and being violenced that when Barack 83 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Obama said that we are not Read States, we are 84 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: not Blue States, we are the United States. That I 85 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: actually believe that, and I believe that at that moment 86 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: that we were living in what I can only understand 87 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: now in this divine capsule, not by the creation of 88 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: this man, but by the creation of the answered dreams 89 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:47,119 Speaker 1: and prayers of an enslaved and brutalized people that they 90 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: could continue to pray and to dream for something that 91 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: they would never in fact experience, and that their children 92 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: may never in fact experience, and their grandchildren may never 93 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: in fact experience. But they believed in something that was 94 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: so above and beyond where they were currently stationed. That 95 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: is divine thinking. And what I realize that has been 96 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: the fuel of my rage is how just how brief 97 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: the experience was. It doesn't mean that the impact wasn't felt, 98 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: but the experience of that hopefulness, of that light, of 99 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: the feeling that we did this grand, beautiful thing together, 100 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: that we moved outside of the initial understanding of the 101 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: American project into being something bigger and bolder and more expansive. 102 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: And I realize now just how extraordinary those eight years were. 103 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: And I think about it in the way that posts 104 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: the Civil War, that the brief experience of Reconstruction, the 105 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: election of black officials, the ability at that time for 106 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: black men to then be able to vote. Like I 107 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: think about these brief moments, and then what would follow 108 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: the audaciousness of Reconstruction, which only lasted for about twelve years, 109 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: would be one hundred years of Jim Crow. And in 110 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: recognizing that truth, what follows the eight years of the 111 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,359 Speaker 1: Obama era? Will it be a hundred years of Trumpism? 112 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Will it be a hundred years of darkness? One hundred years? 113 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: A friend of mine posted a performance by the bassist 114 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: and jazz musician Esperanza Spalding at the White House during 115 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the Obama years for Barack Obama's Poetry Slam where he 116 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: had the rapper and actor common I believe that he 117 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: was like the host that evening and so many amazing, 118 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: amazing artists of color performed. And my friend just recently 119 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: posted Esperanza Spalding's performance and it was her cover of 120 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: Lauren Hills Tell Me, Tell Him. And I pulled it 121 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: up and I was watching it and it's a three 122 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: and a half minute clip and it is quiet. It 123 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: is nothing but the base and the majesty of her 124 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: voice in this White House, and I burst into tears. 125 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: I burst into tears listening to it, because it was 126 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: when I had the aha moment that they were able 127 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: to rip away everything, to erase everything, and in its 128 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: place put something so vapid, so hateful, so gross, in 129 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: its place, to remind us that we are undeserving, unworthy 130 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: of being in command of the people's house, of being 131 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: in leadership of this country. So the rage that I 132 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: have is truly masked grief that I haven't really grieved 133 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: the loss of not the Obamas as people, but what 134 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: that moment in time symbolized, not only to the country 135 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: but to the world, progress, hope, a brighter future, all 136 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: of which is gone now and every day is like groundhogs, 137 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: a day of hell, of anxiety, of fear, of hopelessness, 138 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: of darkness. So on this Martin Luther King Holiday, I 139 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: think it's not only important to reflect on how we 140 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: got to where we are right now, but to also 141 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: light candles, say prayers, meditate on the death of possibility, 142 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: because I need to be able to mourn what we 143 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: have lost in a very real and definitive way in 144 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: order to be able to even imagine what comes next, 145 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Because right now I feel like we are trapped inside 146 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: of the eye of a hurricane and everything around us 147 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: is being torn to shreds, and it is slow moving, 148 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: and it is hover and it shows no sign of 149 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: releasing us from its grasps. And so in order for 150 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: us to even imagine, dream and turn those dreams into 151 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: plans and steps, I think that today, for me anyway, 152 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: is going to be a day of mourning what was, 153 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: so that I can settle my soul, put it to rest, 154 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: and figure out what the purpose is going forward, what 155 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: the work is right? Because we always say keep fighting, 156 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: keep fighting, don't give up. But what are exactly are 157 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: we fighting for? Who exactly are we fighting? Because these 158 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: people that are currently destroying our country are the spawn 159 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: of those who have always sought to destroy our country. 160 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: They aren't aging out and dying, they are reincardinating. So 161 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: with the acknowledgement of that, where do we go? What 162 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: do we do? And so for today, instead of planning, 163 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: instead of plotting, instead of screaming, I'm going to sit still, 164 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to shed tears. I'm going to be quiet 165 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: and see what comes. And I wish that for all 166 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: of you as well. Coming up next is my conversation 167 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: with our friend Glenn Kirshner on the latest that is 168 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: unfolding at the Justice Department, the latest that is unfolding 169 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: in our quests for justice, and whether or not that 170 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 1: is actually going to happen. I wish you well, friends, folks. 171 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: You know that I'm always very excited when we have 172 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: our friend, the host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analyst, 173 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner join us each and every week here on 174 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: woke f to help guide us through what is becoming 175 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: an increasingly just treacherous road that I believe that America 176 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: is on when it pertains to seeking justice at all. 177 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: You know, Glenn, I just want to jump right into 178 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: the biggest news right which is the arrest by the FBI, 179 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: the indictment of Stuart Rhodes, who is the leader of 180 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: the oath Keepers, who has been in conservative Republican spaces 181 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: for over a decade. As as we've been learning more 182 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: about him. He is a former Army paratrooper who has 183 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: a law degree from Yale. And I say all these 184 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: things not as if to pump him up, but for 185 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: us to recognize, like I said on previous shows, that 186 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: we have been fooling ourselves, Glenn, I think in thinking 187 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: that the people that we are dealing with are dumb, 188 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: thinking that the people that we are dealing with are 189 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: under educated, right, are easily duped by Trump and Trumpism, 190 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: and are just kind of along for the ride like puppets. 191 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: That's not who Stuart Rhodes is. Is he? No? But 192 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that he took any constitutional law classes 193 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: at Yale when he was endeavoring to get his JD. So, 194 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, anybody who is fooled by Donald Trump's rhetoric 195 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: or persuaded by Donald Trump's nonsense. I don't like to 196 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: use the word dumb, but you know, you're not a 197 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: critical thinker. You can't assess for yourself what's going on. 198 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: You know this, this is a really consequential indictment. I 199 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: think we've only indicted a seditious conspiracy charge something like 200 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: half a dozen times, dating back to the nineteen thirties. 201 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Sometimes we have some success with him in court, sometimes 202 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: we don't. This is an important charge and when you 203 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: read the forty eight page indictment signed by the current 204 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: US Attorney for the District of Columbia, Matt Graves, who 205 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: has been in the job since November fifth. You know, 206 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: it's it's block busters stuff because you know, there there 207 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: were four cooperating witnesses from the oathkeepers who flipped, and 208 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: once that happened, you know, there was a lot of 209 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: work that needed to be done by the FBI and 210 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: the prosecutors to take all of the information they provided, 211 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: not only sort of through their testimony before the grand jury, 212 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: which I'm sure they did, but all of the electronic 213 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: information and investigate it. And you know, anytime you get 214 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: a huge dump of electronic information, you have to go 215 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: about the hard work of subpoenaing dozens of electronic service providers, 216 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: whether it's social media or cell phone providers or cell 217 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: site information to figure out where each cell phone was 218 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: at the moment it was communicating with other cell phones. 219 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: So these things take a long time, you know, and 220 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: in an investigation like this, you don't want it to 221 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: take a long time. Cause we saw the crimes on video, 222 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: and that's why we're so darn frustrated. We know the 223 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: crimes were committed, we know the crimes were inspired and 224 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: incited by Donald Trump. That's reinforced in this forty eight 225 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: page indictment, by the way, so we're like, when are 226 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: you going to take down the middle level criminal players, 227 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: never mind the upper echelon. Because as important as this 228 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: indictment is, and yes, I want to embrace it, I 229 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: want to celebrate it, but and I don't want to 230 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: begin to complain about the fact that they're not working 231 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: their way up. But the Department of Justice, by returning 232 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: this indictment indicted the lower level criminal fish for more 233 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: consequential criminal charges. The next step, Danielle, has got to be, 234 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: in my estimation, moving your way up to at least 235 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: the middle level criminal fish, the Bannons, the Giuliani's, the 236 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: don Juniors, the Eastman's, the clarks and the politicians. Right, 237 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: they have been complicit in some of what was going on. 238 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: I understand how long and difficult and challenging and involved 239 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: these investigations are investigated, gang cases, reco cases, conspiracy cases. 240 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: They take a long time, they're work intensive, but democracy 241 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: still hangs in the balance. So I think we need 242 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: to begin working our way up to the middle level 243 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: and ultimately the upper echelon of the criminal fish. You know, 244 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: one of the things that has been standing out to 245 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: me with regard to what is being uncovered in this 246 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: indictment is first of all, Stuart Roads and it's been 247 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: all over cable news, so I know that you have 248 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: either talked about it or watched it. A tweet that 249 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: he not a tweet. Excuse me, I keep saying that 250 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: a signal text that he sent out on December eleventh, 251 00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: right weeks ahead of January sixth, where he said that 252 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: if Joe Biden and I'm paraphrasing Joe Biden is certified 253 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: as president of the United States, it's going to be bloody, right, 254 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: and that people need to get prepared. These people, these 255 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: oath keepers, they are not just quote unquote regular joes 256 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: like mainstream media has decided with regard to these as 257 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: they refer to them MAGA tourists, right. These are people 258 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: who are former and current military law enforcement first responders. 259 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: They had heavy artillery that was hanging out in Virginia 260 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: but a couple of miles away from the Capitol building. Oh, 261 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: they're posting this, Glenn. They posted right on social media. 262 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: So again I ask, and you know, because I have 263 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: to tell like the honest truth, because I said, let 264 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: this let Stuart Rhodes had been black let Stuart Rhodes 265 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: had been in Latin X. Let him have been a 266 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Muslim American. Do you think that the Justice Department would 267 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: be waiting to dot all of their eyes and cross 268 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: all of their tees before they haul him in. And 269 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: so it isn't just about how much work it takes 270 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: to put together these cases, but it's about the urgency 271 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: behind it, right, and about recognizing a threat when a 272 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: threat is actually present. So again I say, you know, 273 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: how is it that all of this information was hanging 274 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: out in the open for anybody at the FBI, the CIA, 275 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: the Justice Department to have seen and we're here over 276 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days later. You know, it's funny, Danielle, 277 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: because you just put your finger on the part of 278 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: the indictment that made my heart sink, and that was 279 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they had an arsenal in a motel 280 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: just across the river from the Capitol. And when I 281 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: read this indictment, I thought to myself, how can it 282 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: be that there are so many people in the oathkeepers 283 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: who are involved in this incredibly dangerous operation and all 284 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: of our law enforcement agencies missed it? Because what in 285 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: a perfect world or even a competent world. What should 286 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: have happened was this plot should have been discovered and 287 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: there should have been search warrants prepared to be executed 288 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: on the motel rooms where they were storing their arsenals 289 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: of weapons. And yet none of that happened. How can 290 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: that be? That's problematic. And the other thing is you 291 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: mentioned how these efforts are still ongoing. And if you 292 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: look at the very end of the factual part of 293 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: the indictment, starting on page thirty there is a section 294 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: labeled co conspirators can in you plotting after the January 295 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: sixth attack on the Capitol. And here is how the 296 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: factual recitation ends in the indictment. On page thirty thirty two, 297 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: it says, on inauguration Day, January twenty twenty one, James 298 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: messaged other individuals quote after this, if nothing happens, it's 299 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: war civil war two point zero and Rhodes messages to 300 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: other others to organize local militias to oppose President Biden's administration. 301 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: This war is ongoing. And if DJ doesn't recognize the 302 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: sense of urgency there, um, we're in trouble. You know again, 303 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, I tie this back to Florida Governor Ronda 304 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: Santis a couple of months ago saying at a press 305 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: conference that he wanted to institute his own Florida Army 306 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: Right that would only listen to him, be beholden to him, 307 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: be funded by the state of Florida, and there would 308 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: be no federal oversight. Are we not connecting the dots here? 309 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: For everything that is being said out loud? Do you 310 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: think that there is the caution? And I don't know 311 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: what else to call it, Glenn right, because I'm using 312 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: euphemisms because there are lots of other words that I 313 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: want to use. But do you think that this slow 314 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: walking right is it going to be to our ultimate detriment? 315 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: Because they are telling us out loud what they're doing. 316 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: They want a civil war. Not only do they want one, 317 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: they're prepared for it. They're armed, they have folks in 318 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: every apparatus of law enforcement, of military right. They enter 319 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: the Capitol building. One of the things that stood out 320 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: for me a military stack right. This was and just 321 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: taurists that were lost or people that were quote unquote 322 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: swept up, they were organized in their formation. How How 323 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: are we not wrapping our arms around this and picking 324 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: up these people? Every single day and bringing not just 325 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy, Glenn, but terrorism charges. And I ask you 326 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: that what is the difference between these things and what 327 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: is the heaviest weight that could be pushed at these people. So, 328 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: first of all, there is no criminal charge of domestic terrorism. 329 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: There are enhancements, sentencing enhancements for terrorists inspired violence, but 330 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: that's something I think that should be addressed with legislation. 331 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: But anytime I hear myself saying we need more legislation, 332 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at how many laws we 333 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: have on the books that go unenforced, it's laughable. So 334 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: more laws are not necessarily the be all and end 335 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: all of addressing this problem. But my real concern right 336 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: now is we're going after the foot soldiers of the insurrection. 337 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: Maybe not quickly enough, maybe we're not getting enough of 338 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: them charged as we would like. But they're only the 339 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: foot soldiers of the insurrection. If you leave the command 340 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: structure of the insurrection intact, the politicians from Trump on down, 341 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: many of the politicians who are still active members of Congress, 342 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: guess what, they just recruit another batch of foot soldiers. 343 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: So taking the foot soldiers out is important, has to 344 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: be done. But it only accomplishes so much. In the 345 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: long run. It's like putting a band aid on a 346 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: gaping chess wound. You've got to take the command structure out. 347 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: And that is Trump, that's any member of Congress who 348 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: may have given reconnaissance tours to these people who ended 349 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: up attacking the capital. And let's remember there were members 350 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: of Congress giving capital tours on January fifth, at a 351 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: time when the COVID prohibitions said nobody can come into 352 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: the capital unless you're there on official congressional business. And 353 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: you have members of Congress giving constituent tours and violation 354 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: of those rules, well, those seem to be reconnaissance tours. 355 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: Those people have to be held accountable or you're just 356 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: enabling insurrection, you know I, Because here's the thing. The 357 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: next insurrection is occurring right like it's in the works. 358 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: We thought initially and was said that one six was 359 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: address rehearsal. And I fully believe that, right. I fully 360 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: believe that there are other plans that our current law enforcement, 361 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: our current systems of justice are not paying attention to. 362 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: You tweeted out that Steve Bannon should be on the lookout. 363 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: What are the charges outside of seditious conspiracy that we 364 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: can be looking at for these the mid level people 365 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: that you were talking about, and to me, they're kind 366 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: of mid high right when you're when you're leading a 367 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: war room, right with Juliani and Steve Bannon. Then then 368 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 1: you got the coordination of Steve Rhodes on the ground 369 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: with the foot soldiers coordinating like a tactical attack and 370 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: having a quick force task like this was an operation, right, 371 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: Like I just what are what are the other charges? 372 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: What are we looking at? And how long? If it 373 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: took us over a year to get here sadly to say, 374 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: we're pushing up against midterms, right, like, how is this 375 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: getting done? So? Yeah, the reason I felt like Bannon 376 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: might be in the crosshairs now after we saw the 377 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: details released in yesterday's indictment is because everything Bannon described 378 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: in advance of January sixth, it's going to be swift, 379 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be moving, it's going to be devastating. 380 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: It's going to be like something we've never seen before 381 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: come to DC. That is basically foreshadowing of exactly what 382 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: the oathkeepers did on January six So here's the good news, 383 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, courtesy of the four oathkeepers who have flipped 384 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: and are cooperating with the FBI and the federal prosecutors. 385 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: And this indictment, I predict, will cause even more oathkeepers 386 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: to flip. And there's a lot of talk in the 387 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: indictment about encrypted apps being used to communicate securely. Well, 388 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: that's great. It sounds high speed and safe and secure 389 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: until people begin to flip and tell the FBI and 390 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: the prosecutors what those communications were on those encrypted apps. 391 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: And I have to tell you if there are people 392 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: like Steve Bannon, if there are members of Congress, if 393 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: there are staff members of members of Congress who communicated 394 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: in any way encrypted apps, cell phones, text messages, social media, DMS, 395 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: or otherwise with any of these oath keepers, they will 396 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: not be sleeping soundly after they see this indictment that 397 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: came down because they're gonna get got. It's a matter 398 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: of time. It's taking too long. The closer we get 399 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: to the midterms, I think the more problematic it becomes. 400 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those people who thinks it's a 401 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: foregone conclusion that the Republicans will take the House. They may. 402 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: If they do, we are in real trouble because the 403 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: first thing they'll do, and my estimation is start issuing 404 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: tons of frivolous subpoenas. They will be drafting up articles 405 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: of impeachment for Biden, vice President Harris, for Merrick Garland, 406 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: for you name the government official. They will probably be 407 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: drafting up bogus, baseless articles of impeachment just to gum 408 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: up the works and try to bring everything to a 409 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: screeching halt. Of course, the one thing they can't do, Danielle, 410 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: is they cannot impact the prosecutions that are up and running, 411 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: and they shouldn't be able to impact the investigations that 412 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: are on the verge of becoming prosecutions. Congress can't put 413 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: a stop to that, but they can make it much 414 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: more difficult for DOJ to do its work because they 415 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: can have frivolous oversight hearings and investigations, and they can 416 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: try to slow things down, but they can't put a 417 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: stop to it. So but listen, if they take control 418 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: of the House in twenty twenty two, we are in 419 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: even more trouble than we're in presently. I mean, if 420 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: they take control of the House, And unlike you, you know, 421 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: I'm not an optimist, so I see the writing on 422 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: the wall, particularly when we have nothing as a as 423 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: a party to offer the American people in terms of 424 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: legislation that they stood out in a pandemic to vote for. 425 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: But that being said, the Department of Justice is supposed 426 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: to operate independently, right and so, and pay attention to 427 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: the road that is ahead of them and not you know, 428 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: the politics. But do you think that they are dismissing 429 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: just how Republicans will be after retribution and will be 430 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: working to gum up the works in a way that 431 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: everything that has been leading up to these moments will 432 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: grind to a halt. Do are they aware of the 433 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: of the politics of this moment or is it just 434 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: business as usual? That's the thing that I'm trying to 435 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: figure out. They're aware of it, but they're not supposed 436 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: to let it impact the nature of their work, the 437 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: pace of their work, the people that they are investigating 438 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: for possible indictments. It's not supposed to impact that work. 439 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: The reality of it is, who knows, you know, how 440 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: much of this is really landing at the Department of 441 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: Justice and what sense of urgency do they feel as 442 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: a result. But you know, the Department of Justice I've 443 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: described it as this enormous, you know, steamership that moves 444 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: very slowly in one direction, and it takes an act 445 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: of God to get it to move even a few 446 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: degrees in a different direction. That's why we keep hearing 447 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: you know. Well, you know, we do a bottom up 448 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: investigation and we flip people, and we follow the evidence. 449 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: I get all that, and in the ordinary criminal investortigation 450 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: and prosecution, that's wonderful because it works well and it's 451 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: been time tested. This is not the ordinary criminal investigation. 452 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: Democracy hangs in the balance. So shouldn't you think outside 453 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: the box and say, maybe we should lock up the 454 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: mid level criminal fish, even the upper echelon criminal fish 455 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: to send a signal. Now we have to do it 456 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: based on evidence, but to send a signal that we 457 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: are here to protect democracy. And you cannot continue to 458 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: get away with the big lie, with poisoning the well 459 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: of public opinion, with fooling the gullible into believing that 460 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: the only remedy is a civil war. Two point though, 461 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: maybe we need to think outside the box and treat 462 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: this differently than we generally treat criminal investigations. But you 463 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: know the other thing that I don't know if we're 464 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: going to talk about but fit, Fanny Willis, we are 465 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: always looking for here and heroes won't save us. But 466 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: it really seems like there are three important data points 467 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: that we learned recently that give me extreme hope that 468 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: Georgia will be the first jurisdiction out of the gate 469 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: with a criminal indictment of Donald Trump. And I believe 470 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: that Danielle will change the narrative. Once the man is 471 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: facing felony charges, it's going to be more difficult for 472 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: at least the politicians to say, that's my man, Donald. 473 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to do whatever he says. I'm going to 474 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: worship at the author of Donald Trump because the three 475 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: data points. One, Fanny Willis said I will have a 476 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: charging decision in the first half of twenty twenty two. Well, 477 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: we're in the first half of twenty twenty two now, 478 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: so I'm going to take her at her word. The 479 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: second data point is that we learned that Donald Trump's 480 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 1: defense lawyers met with the Fulton County prosecutors. That's so 481 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: important because I've had these meetings many times over as 482 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: a former career prosecutor. They happen in public corruption cases, 483 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: broad cases, white collar cases, they don't really happen in 484 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: violent crime cases. But we invite the defense attorneys in 485 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: as the last step before we take that last journey 486 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: into the grand jury and ask them to indict, and 487 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: we say to the defense team, this is your time 488 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: to present us any exculpatory information, any evidence you have 489 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: that would make it seem like Donald Trump is innocent, 490 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: like Donald Trump didn't commit the dozens of election crimes 491 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: that he appears to have committed under Georgia state law. 492 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: Please provide us that exonerating information and make your best 493 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: argument as to why you think we're wrong, why we 494 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't proceed toward an indictment. I've been in those meetings, 495 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: including in death penalty cases, and sometimes what the defense 496 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: attorneys present has an impact and it causes us to 497 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: rethink the direction of our investigation. All right, are they 498 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: doing this in front of a judge? I'm just I'm 499 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: just no. The defense behind closed doors, and usually information 500 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: of it doesn't leak out. But I think Rachel Maddow 501 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: broke the story two nights ago, a couple of nights ago. 502 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: So um, Usually that does not alter the trajectory of 503 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: our investigation, because we've done a pretty thorough invest investigation, 504 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: and this is the last stage. We do it one 505 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: as a courtesy and two as kind of an important 506 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: check on the work we're doing. Because every once in 507 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: a while, Danielle, I had a defense attorney come to 508 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: me and say, Glenn, you know, I think I have 509 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: some important evidence that militates against the guilt of my client. 510 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: I would say, please bring it to me, let me 511 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: investigate it. I've dismissed cases, Danielle after defense attorneys were 512 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: brave enough to do that, because there's a calculation. Sometimes 513 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: the defense attorneys will say, you know what, prosecutor are 514 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: going to listen to anything I say. They just want 515 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: to get my client. They want to notch in the belt, 516 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: they want a conviction, And I say, bs, any prosecutor 517 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: who acts that way, then other prosecutors need to drum 518 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: their butts out of the job. I've had defense attorneys 519 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: trust me enough to bring me exculpatory information, and on 520 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 1: more than one occasion I ended up dismissing a case 521 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: because it was evidence I didn't know existed. Right, I 522 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: investigated it, I drilled down and it had an impact. 523 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: Now that's in the extreme minority of the cases. But 524 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump's defense team had this meeting 525 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,479 Speaker 1: with prosecutors, and here's the third data point. Two days later, 526 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: what is Donald Trump send this unhinged statement saying, Oh 527 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: my god, district attorneys just want to lock everybody up 528 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: and ruin lives. The meeting didn't go so good. It 529 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: tells me he's going to get indicted in Georgia. I 530 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: would bet a buck that's my betting limit. I'm not 531 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: a high roller. I would bet a Georgia will be 532 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: the first one out of the blocks with a criminal 533 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: indictment of Donald and the criminal indictment will be solely 534 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:12,240 Speaker 1: around the twenty twenty election. It starts with that phone 535 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: call to Brad Rappensburger, just find me enough votes to 536 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: corrupt and corruptly declare me the winner. And if you 537 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: look at the Brookings Institute deep dive analysis, one hundred 538 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: plus pages, they took all of the available evidence and 539 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: they set out that I think it was a dozen 540 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: or more than a dozen crimes, both felonies and misdemeanors 541 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: under the Georgia state election laws that Donald Trump committed. 542 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: He's going to get indicted in Georgia, probably before he 543 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: gets indicted in New York and certainly before he gets 544 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: indicted federally by the Department of It. I mean, and 545 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: you've said it before, You've been saying it on this 546 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: show and on others, that you believe that when the 547 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: first indictment comes down for Donald Trump, that it will 548 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: open up the floodgates because then every prosecutor will want 549 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: to be the second one to indict Donald Trump, because 550 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: then the pressures on them, you know, because Okay, everybody 551 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: is focusing on the first jurisdiction to indict Donald Trump. 552 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: The white hot glare of media and world attention is 553 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: on that prosecution. But you know what, Donald Trump committed 554 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: crimes in my jurisdiction too, so I now would look 555 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: bad if I didn't try to hold him accountable. You're 556 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,919 Speaker 1: gonna see the Domino's fall. It's coming again. I'd bet 557 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: a buck. And if it doesn't come, Danielle, we're done. 558 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,479 Speaker 1: We're done. If Donald Trump is not indicted. If Donald 559 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: Trump is not indicted, he will run on the platform 560 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice and every state in the 561 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: Union has co signed my innocence because if I had 562 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: committed crimes, the Department of Justice in every State of 563 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: the Union would have in the Union would have prosecuted me. 564 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: They didn't, which means they're vouching for my innocence and 565 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 1: it reinforces the whole damn thing was a witch hunt. 566 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: We have to indict Donald Trump. Oh, Glenn, you know, 567 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 1: I pray that you are right. I hope that by 568 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: the time that we get to warmer months, that these 569 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: indictments are flowing like cool water, because if we don't, 570 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: on top of everything else, I'm like, I just don't 571 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: think we survive. I don't think that we make it 572 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: to November without real violence. And frankly, I will be 573 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: honest too, you know in closing, is that one of 574 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: the fears that I have is that when Donald Trump 575 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: is indicted, because I believe that he will be right, 576 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: it's just it's when it's when I keep throwing up 577 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: my hands to the world, that that will be the 578 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 1: read alone, that will be the alarm to the oath keepers, 579 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: the boogoaloo boys, all of these you know, operations to 580 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: just go loose on the public. That's my biggest concern. 581 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: And I pray you know that the FBI and others 582 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: are are prepared, unlike how they were not prepared. On 583 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: January sixth, Glenn, as always, thank you so much for 584 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: making the time to join us on woke F. We 585 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: appreciate you so so very much. And I am a 586 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: betting person, but I only play the penny slots, but 587 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: I'll up it to a dollar with you as well. 588 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: All Right, all right, I think we're gonna win that bet. 589 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 1: That is it for me today on woke F Daily. 590 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,280 Speaker 1: As always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 591 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.