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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, Foscota. And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback,

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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: a Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys. Here from the s

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Speaker 1: WVC Mortgage Studios. I was told to bring the energy

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Speaker 1: more optimistic. I think I might have on your headphones out.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good. Everybody good. I can't hear myself, so that's fun.

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Speaker 1: But we are Talking Cowboys. Heck Ma Harrison, our professional

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Speaker 1: football analysts. We've got former Super Bowl champion, our residents,

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Speaker 1: super Bowl champion, Isaiah stand Back Cowboys inside, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's driving the bus as always, gentlemen, how

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Speaker 1: are we doing today? Heck? Was that enough? Heck was

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Speaker 1: that okay? But I didn't know. I didn't know. He

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Speaker 1: always takes things over. Boy Pete almost blew your ears out.

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Speaker 1: I mean we got these bows headphones on. As a

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Speaker 1: of domy, you know, so you don't say my bows

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Speaker 1: fantastic new adjectives every day every day. Yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: love that. Isaiah. How are we doing a fantabuloso hard

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Speaker 1: it just happened, Rob, what's up? I wanted? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just you wanted heck wanted energy, So I'm gonna invoke

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Speaker 1: my Shannon Gross. What's up everybody? I heard he didn't

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Speaker 1: Heckma's energy and I love it. Uh, gentlemen, we have

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Speaker 1: some roster moves to take care of. Right up off

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Speaker 1: the top of the show, Rob, I'll let you kind

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Speaker 1: of hit some of those The cowboys trimming down to

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Speaker 1: then a couple more moves outside of that, Rob, what's

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Speaker 1: the news there, Well, they have waived injured Hunter, Nice

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Speaker 1: wander Hunter, the punter with let me Dounb'll check here.

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Speaker 1: He's got a back injury. So they signed Oh, there

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Speaker 1: it is. It's on the website. Okay, you can go

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com. Thank you, Isaiah and read about it.

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Speaker 1: They signed mister I'm Hiroum Hilah who yep, who kicked

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Speaker 1: but look, they need somebody to kick Saturday and for

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Speaker 1: the rest of preseason. Now that the main question that

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Speaker 1: up with Greg's rline? Because he has not kicked and

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Speaker 1: really in practice in games he's been, he's been on pup,

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Speaker 1: this is more about getting reps in camp here and

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Speaker 1: seven months, he finally convinced me, Hey, let's just go

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Speaker 1: gonna tell I got emotional during the story. It was therapeutic,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, there was so much that because I

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Speaker 1: went through somewhat of a depression when I got done planning. Man,

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Speaker 1: this is what I did since I was seven years old,

433
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Speaker 1: played football, and to not have it, I needed to

434
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Speaker 1: tell that story what it felt like to transition from

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Speaker 1: one job to the next, or to one part of

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Speaker 1: your life to the next, and it was, man, it

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Speaker 1: was therapeutic. So we continued it on that path. We're

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Speaker 1: more of a lifestyle podcast and then a sports podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to you know, athletes, we're talking to CEOs.

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Speaker 1: Anyone has a great story, we want to tell that.

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Speaker 1: We want to tell that story. And where can you

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Speaker 1: find that podcast? On any podcast channel? Sol you can

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Speaker 1: find it on Apple, you can find it on uh Spotify,

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Speaker 1: you can find anything that has podcasts on And this

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Speaker 1: is the Darren Woodson Show. The Darren Woodson Show. It's

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Speaker 1: very aptly named, I think from the beginning. Well, first off,

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Speaker 1: congratulations for for everything going right for you at the moment.

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Speaker 1: We are. We're proud that you were a Cowboy. I

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Speaker 1: know you're proud. Absolutely Cowboys. Absolutely and of course the

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Speaker 1: Deep Blue coming out this Saturday, leading into countdown to kickoffs,

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Speaker 1: CBS eleven and t x A twenty one. You can

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Speaker 1: also catch it on Dallas Cowboys dot com right all

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Speaker 1: our channels, all the social channels as well. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be fantastic. Got a sneak peek earlier. It's the

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Speaker 1: first time I've seen your combine picture. My gosh, you

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Speaker 1: were just unbelievably built coming out of college. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: mean changed, Oh stop it whatever. You can definitely play today,

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Speaker 1: Darren Woodson, thanks so much for joining us, but hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll get you on pretty soon once again. A Path

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Speaker 1: As I say, stand back is back in the mix.

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Speaker 1: I'm back. Heckman is still trying to gather himself. You okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm good? Yeah, yeah yeah. I wanted to say two

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Speaker 1: things really quickly. Two things. First off, special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Darren for stopping and die taking some time. He is

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Speaker 1: a busy man and he took some time to come

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Speaker 1: down and chat with us for a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: that was awesome to to really kind of pick his

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Speaker 1: brain see exactly what his journey has been like and

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Speaker 1: especially what he's doing right now. It really is inspiring.

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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 1: what walk of life you're in. He is somebody that

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Speaker 1: you can definitely look up to. Secondly, I want to

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Speaker 1: thank Nick Eatman for setting that up. He was the

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Speaker 1: contact point that got us Darren Woodson today. And I

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Speaker 1: made a joke right at the beginning. I want to

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Speaker 1: apologize to Nick because I was just kind of making

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Speaker 1: a joke about the break and talking cowboys. He was

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Speaker 1: definitely appalled, and I want to I want to apologize.

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Speaker 1: I didn't actually mean that clean it up way I did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: clean made I made a mistake. I did not mean

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Speaker 1: to say that Nick. Nick set that all up, and

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Speaker 1: he is. He did us a huge favor and doing

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Speaker 1: that some special thanks to Nicky. But you can catch

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Speaker 1: him on the break Kyle this week. I know I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get called to the principal's office again. It's coming.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, there is no doubt. Yeah, yeah, okay, beams

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Speaker 1: laughing the back special things to beam. By the way,

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Speaker 1: how about running them back and forth to get this headsetdy?

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Speaker 1: Nick and Darren are tight and no, yeah, Nick heeled

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Speaker 1: a lot, you know, setting up interviews because I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just getting to know Darren through this process and uh,

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Speaker 1: and he could easily just say Darren, come on our

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Speaker 1: show tomorrow. You don't need to you don't need to

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Speaker 1: deal with talking cowboys. He could have just said, screw

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Speaker 1: you guys, shout out to seas too all to work

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Speaker 1: that CBS. Did you see him run in here twice

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Speaker 1: to get that you heard the shout out from? What

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Speaker 1: do you? I mean? Yeah, there's so many There's so

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Speaker 1: many people, you know, obviously that we appreciate but that

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Speaker 1: the viewers don't necessarily see. And there's so much work

543
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Speaker 1: that goes behind it. We we literally we just the

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Speaker 1: guys who show up and do a little do some

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Speaker 1: research and give our opinions. You know. They they make

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Speaker 1: sure we actually look good and sound good and all

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Speaker 1: that jazz. So shout out to Sebasy and the rest

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Speaker 1: of the crew. You can hear my funny Darren Woodson story. Yes,

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Speaker 1: ninety nine is an intern here. And obviously, I mean

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Speaker 1: he'd three Super Bowls, going Pro Bowls every year. He

551
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Speaker 1: was always like when he met you, he wanted to

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Speaker 1: know your name and then he remembered it so he'd

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Speaker 1: senior Hall. It's not like hey, buddy, what's up. It's

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Speaker 1: always like, hey, Chris, how's it going. How are you

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Speaker 1: doing today? And that's how he's always been. So I

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Speaker 1: appreciate his his basically loyal loyal toness to to employees.

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Speaker 1: It's funny he said that because when we were rounding

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Speaker 1: up interviews for this thing, and we started like in March,

559
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Speaker 1: and every time we asked somebody, it was like, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's my guy, you know, like and I mean, and

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Speaker 1: we get a cooperation all these deep blues every year,

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Speaker 1: but that was different, like like everybody willingness. Yeah, everybody

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Speaker 1: loves him, you know. Awesome, Yeah, really really cool. And heck, min,

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Speaker 1: I know you had fun with that because it was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise. We weren't sure if it

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Speaker 1: was going to come through, So we're sorry we didn't

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Speaker 1: get you any Yeah, that was just what I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, as a teammate and you know,

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Speaker 1: co host on the show, would you guys just kind

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Speaker 1: of give me a not dato stuff like that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: because look, I'm gonna you know, I didn't know whatever.

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Speaker 1: All right, So y'all know him, y'all know him, overreact,

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Speaker 1: you know, I am so. I mean, he walked past

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Speaker 1: the glass and I was like, what what's this? What's

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Speaker 1: just happened? That was definitely what hey, Darren Woodson is here, guys,

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Speaker 1: all right? Oh good seeing your like top five Cowboys

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Speaker 1: all time who he got? That would be definitely woodis

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Speaker 1: in my top five. Yeah, yeah, for sure. As far

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Speaker 1: that he was so good as he was as a

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Speaker 1: Cowboy on the field, I would probably I'd put him

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Speaker 1: in my top five because he is an out He

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Speaker 1: is as good of a person as he is a player,

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Speaker 1: and that's pretty impressive. No, for sure. And what he

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Speaker 1: said about availability was really cool because in a way,

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Speaker 1: and we talked, we covered a little bit in the dock,

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Speaker 1: like he kind of had two careers in a way,

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Speaker 1: like he he came into it as a rookie to

589
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Speaker 1: a dynasty in the making and had to find a

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Speaker 1: spot on a loaded roster and in the back half

591
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Speaker 1: of his career three straight five and eleven seasons and

592
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Speaker 1: that dynasty ended and he had to kind of he

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Speaker 1: was the last guy. He was the last guy that

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Speaker 1: was part of all three titles and tried to kind

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Speaker 1: of pick guys up and show guys the way I mean.

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Speaker 1: It was two different parts of his career with the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys it's really it was fascinating. Actually, I think it's

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Speaker 1: also going to be a lot of fun because he

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Speaker 1: mentioned Lovey Smith and kind of the impact that he

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Speaker 1: had on him during his time at Arizona State. The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys get to see Lovey Smith this weekend. He's the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Texans. So I mean plenty of

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Speaker 1: Cowboys coverage. It starts with the Darren Woodson documentary A

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Speaker 1: Path to Safety. If you missed the time earlier, I'll

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Speaker 1: give it to you again five pm Central time is

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Speaker 1: win that will debut on CBS eleven and t XA

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Speaker 1: twenty one the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. That leads into

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Speaker 1: countdown the kickoff, and then of course the game against

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Speaker 1: the Texans kicking off at seven o'clock. So tons of

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Speaker 1: Cowboys coverage this weekend. Lots of fun to be had.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got thirty minutes left of a show to

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Speaker 1: talk about. What you how do you guys want to

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Speaker 1: follow this up? We can't can't time at band camp?

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Speaker 1: What's this one time? Um? Chris? Do we have any calls?

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Speaker 1: Have any calls or not? Big? Have any calls? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can give us the number if somebody wants to

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Speaker 1: call in Isaia. It gives me every show with a

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Speaker 1: movie that I love that I haven't thought about in

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Speaker 1: trying to motor pass this. Let me think about that. No,

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Speaker 1: not that movie? No, no, um? What was the number? One?

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Speaker 1: More time? Rob? I believe you know it more than

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Speaker 1: got it. Rondell Carter okay two two nine seven two

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Speaker 1: nine seven, So give us a call. Uh and two

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Speaker 1: of the hatch him No, he changed it. He was

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Speaker 1: was taco, Okay, taco. Yeah, teammates there you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's say Rondelle Carter at the moment um, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about wide receiver. You said you were going to do dbs.

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Speaker 1: You said you were going to do. Let's do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's this is a great conversation that Isaiah, Barry Church,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and I had in the booth during the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys night practice, and it basically got down to Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn has said previously ten dbs, ten probably six corners,

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Speaker 1: four safeties is ultimately what the Cowboys roster will boil

637
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: down to when the defensive cuts finally hit their limit

638
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: at fifty three. Where do we see this roster moving

639
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the defensive backs position, because cornerback, of

640
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: course it's crowded. You have some some names there that

641
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: have shown out had really good camps. But you're gonna

642
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: have some tough decisions. Rob. I'll let you kind of

643
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: lead in and start things off. We're not necessarily cutting

644
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: players today, but what do you expect to see out

645
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: of the d B side of things? You want me

646
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: to go down the list? Yeah, okay, I mean I

647
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: think there's some obvious ones. I mean, Donovan Wilson. I'll

648
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: just start at safety. You've got Donovan Wilson, You've got

649
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: Tamante Casey, and you know, Malie Cooker is interesting because

650
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: he's hasn't gotten into practice until a couple of days ago.

651
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: But I think they they want to see him ramp

652
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: up and they think he can eventually help this team,

653
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: so he's there. Jeron Curse is a guy that can

654
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: play special teams for you can pitch in a little bit,

655
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: maybe cover some tight ends, and then you know your corners.

656
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph Jordan Lewis Trayvon Diggs, Anthony Brown, Nashan Wright.

657
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: And that's already ten that you've named. That was four

658
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: to six. And I didn't mention Israel. So didn't mention Israel.

659
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not even counting C. J. Goodwin because he's

660
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: kind of that core forward guy for John Fossil. So

661
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: it's there are some good numbers at this position. And

662
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even mention the guy who's maybe having the

663
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: best camp and say Kennedy, So damn Yeah, that kind

664
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: of decisions. It's kind of the conversation we were having

665
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: is where does it start? Where does it? Where does

666
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: the conversation start? So, Isaiah, has anything changed since your

667
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: initial thought? And tell us what your initial thought was

668
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: about that position? Yeah, I mean it's just it's complicated.

669
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: It's very complicated. And I believe that there's gonna be

670
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: some surprise moves made towards the end of this camp.

671
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: And I think there's gonna be some people who are

672
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: who are going to be caught off guard in terms

673
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: of some either some cuts or some potential um you know,

674
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: late camp trades. I just think that this this room

675
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: is too too congested and it's a great problem to

676
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: have because the problem that we didn't have last year.

677
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: But we didn't have this problem last year, so it

678
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: was great to have this problem. But when you really

679
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: have to figure out who is going to be number

680
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: one year starters, right, you have you have I think

681
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: one solidified starter in the in the safety position and

682
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. I think Donovan Wilson's you're strong safety,

683
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, I think that obviously

684
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs as your starting corner. But who plays next

685
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: to those guys? So you have to figure that out first?

686
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: And then once you start going do you have to

687
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: figure Okay, who's gonna be my number one nickel? Well,

688
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: most likely it's going to be Anthony brown Er Jordan Lewis.

689
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Do you keep both of those guys? I don't know.

690
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Can you keep both of those guys?

691
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Those guys are both making about five million dollars a year.

692
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Then you start looking at okay, well, we can't keep

693
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: all these dbs. Right, we have four safeties. We have

694
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: four safeties that we know we have to keep. One

695
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: of those safeties is going to have to be a

696
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: core special teamer most likely, Right? Who are four safeties.

697
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a solid four safeties.

698
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I have Donovan Wilson, I have a Demontacacy, I have

699
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Um Hooker. Hooker is in their absolutely, So you've got

700
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: a strong safety and two freeze. I have two strong three.

701
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: But then you know you have Darian Thompson, who is

702
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: your he's a core special team or special teams. Then

703
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: you have Israel mcamo, who has the ability to play

704
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: safety and corner for you. So the versatility there, but

705
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: he hasn't shown in the preseason that he's willing to hit,

706
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: so that's hindering his ability to secure a roster spot

707
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: right now. If he shows that he can show it.

708
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: I think I said this on Tuesday. If he comes

709
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: up and hit somebody in these last two games, he's

710
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: on this roster because he's six four, right, he's two

711
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: hundred pounds six four, two hundred pounds that could play

712
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: safety and corner, and he's going to be forced to

713
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: play special teams if he's willing to hit. If he's

714
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: not willing to hit, take him out the equation. It sucks.

715
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: He has ability to be so versatile, but you have

716
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: to be willing and available, right you have to be

717
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: available to go out there and make an impact. You

718
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: caught a lot of flak on Twitter for that Mukuamu

719
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: comment that you made on Tuesday about how he is

720
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: on the bubble. I agree there's no lock in terms

721
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: of the safety position outside of maybe those three guys

722
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, Demante Kaz and I would even throw Molly

723
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: Cooker in there, but that might not even be a lock.

724
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: Mukuamu is obviously not a lock to make the fifty

725
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: three man rosters. Like he may not be cut out right,

726
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: ye may be a practice squad guy, but in order

727
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: to make the fifty three man roster, like you said,

728
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: there is a lot he needs to show over the

729
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: next two preseason games growth wise to say that he

730
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: can fit into that position. Well, well, look, guys, vibe

731
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: with me right quick on this, sir. So we have

732
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: Ab who's been around for a while, been around the

733
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: team for a while, so the tape is out on him.

734
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: We got a litany of young guys that have been

735
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: competing in the preseason and you want to believe and

736
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I hear all around you know, people saying that, look, Ab,

737
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, these are guys that are states that have

738
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: been on your team for a while. They've shown you

739
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: what they can do. What have they shown you though? Right?

740
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: You got enough tape on them to see if cover three,

741
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Cover two, situational, all of that stuff, where they are

742
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: as far as they're playing ability, are we keeping guys

743
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: just to say, all right, you know, look, this guy

744
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: has been good for us, he's been serviceable for us.

745
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: But how much of that is going to stop a

746
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: guy like boss Man fat? And as you know, if

747
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: you're taking reps away from me, then you're stopping, you're

748
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: stomming development. And you take you take him and you

749
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: talk talk about na Shaw and Right as well. These

750
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: are two young guys that are they're the future Digs

751
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: and Right and boss Man that's your future secondary guys

752
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: on this team. So you know, I understand, you know,

753
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: wanted to play it safe and stay with guys that

754
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: have what you would say would be proven but proven

755
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: how proven playmakers? Because to me, if Nashaw and Wright

756
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: comes off and he gets in the to take pick

757
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: six or you know, defending guys, to me, he's already

758
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds better than the guys that's been on

759
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: your roster. So you know, look again, Kelvin Joseph, just

760
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to see him play. I think we

761
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: have a bright future with number twenty four. I really do.

762
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: And I think when I look at comparisons and Rob,

763
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this directly because I was

764
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: looking for someone to compare Kelvin Joseph two and I

765
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: found it Adam pac Man Jones. It's not just the

766
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: twenty four. It's let me tell you why the feat

767
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: his ability to recover he has. He may not hit

768
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: like because Pa Pack was a hitter, but I'm telling you,

769
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: as far as from a skill set standpoint hit, I'm

770
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: talking about the body. I'm talking about the body of work,

771
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: of being the kind of hitter that pac Man was.

772
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: And it's not just the twenty four. I'm just saying

773
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: his feet, his footwork, his ability to recover, all of

774
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: those things to me make him you know, I want

775
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: to put him at the head of the line just

776
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: to see what he can do. That's interesting, man, Um,

777
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: that's an interesting comparison. And speed too, He's got closing speed.

778
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: Pac Man had that. Um. Pac Man had other things

779
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: off the field, you know, he had he had probably no, no,

780
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. No, I'm talking about I'm just saying.

781
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if he you know, when he was

782
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: on the field, he there was no doubt talented, no

783
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: question about it. Um the only thing I would say

784
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: about AB. He's had a good camp when we watched

785
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: him in Oxnard. You know, I think Kelvin's coming on.

786
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: I think I think the last few days that preseason

787
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: game gave up a big play. But he's come back

788
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: with a couple NICs practices, so he's coming on. But

789
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I think they I think the Cowboys value the vets

790
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: they have. You're right that there are only so many spots.

791
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how it all works. And it's funny

792
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: because Joe Witt, Joey Junior, the new secondary coach defensive

793
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: passing game coordinator, talked about he has this philosophy called

794
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: feed the studs, like we gotta find spots for guys

795
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: if they show it, and he was really specifically talking

796
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: about inside because there's two different there's outside corner, inside corner,

797
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: and Maurice Kennedy has shown so much that we got

798
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: to find a spot for him, find packages for him

799
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis. So it's interesting about Israel, right mcquamwo.

800
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: He even last game he showed the ability to play

801
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: in the slot, you know, to play to be that

802
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: nickel corner at six four at six four special. But

803
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: you gotta hit you because you're playing for dan Quinn

804
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: and you play safety and you need to be able

805
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: to play special teams. So it's this is very, very

806
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: complicated in terms of I hear what you're saying, in

807
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: terms of being able to in terms of potentially stunning

808
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: the development into growth of some of our young guys.

809
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: I think they keep two young guys. I think they

810
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: keep two young guys maybe through I'm talking about well

811
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: nashun right and Joseph. They're going nowhere, right, Okay, if

812
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: they're locked in now you got to start looking at

813
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: you know mcuomwo or you gotta start looking at you know,

814
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: DT do you keep these guys around? Who do you

815
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: keep around? Because then the man it is hard man.

816
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: Then these numbers are these numbers are tough and you

817
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: I also want you guys to start looking at the

818
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: what the prototypical cornerback, the prototypical safety in a dan

819
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Quinn system looks like starting that's completely different because right

820
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: so you start looking at me, Kelvin Joseph six one right,

821
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: Nahan right six four right, Chaymon dig six one right.

822
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: You start looking across the board six one six two

823
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: six four, and then you got Anthony Brown five eleven,

824
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: you got Jordan Lewis five ten. I think you keep

825
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: one of those guys. And I know people don't want

826
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: to hear that because there's there's assurance with knowing what

827
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: you're going to get. So to your point, Heckman, even

828
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: though you might not be in awe of somebody of

829
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis or ab, you know what you're gonna get.

830
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I think we can all sit up here and say

831
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: that those guys play consistent ball. So when you're trying

832
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: to establish the defense, when you're trying to, you know,

833
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: teach something that's brand new, you need guys who you

834
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: know what you're going to get when you put them

835
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: on the field. You don't need that many question marks

836
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: out there. Na Shan, Right, question mark, is he gonna

837
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: be able to stick? Mike Evans? Probably not? Is he? Go?

838
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: All guess what? Guess who their third or fourth receiver is?

839
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. Okay, let's think about this, right, What's he

840
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna be. That's a question mark. Okay, Trayvon Dix, we

841
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: know what he got. He faced the best that the

842
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: league had to offer. Last year. We saw what that was,

843
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: and then he got better. Right, Okay, So now you

844
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: start looking to A B and J. Lou, I know

845
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: what I'm going to get. I don't expect those guys

846
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: to necessarily get I and T S. I don't expect

847
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: those guys to get bad at balls down and guess what,

848
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna be competitive. They're gonna be in their hip pockets.

849
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: They're gonna be feisty. But can I afford to pay

850
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: two of them, both of those guys five million dollars

851
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: a year? Probably not. Let's go back to the Seattle game,

852
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: and you know when you talk about feisty and he

853
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: in hip pockets, we didn't see that, you know, And

854
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying we got enough tape out there to show

855
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: that that's not what they do. So like Birthday game,

856
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people got Birthday exactly. You know, safety

857
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: is included. That's all I'm saying. When you have guys

858
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: that are showing you that they have that gene and

859
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to establish that culture, you gotta let your

860
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: young guys rock because you see it in them. Everything.

861
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: Nashan Wright has shown you that he is a gamer.

862
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna you said, look, I want to see him

863
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: used in me houndas a little bit more. I mean

864
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: giving him those reps to do that. Then you you look, man,

865
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: you you're minding for that diamond and you find it.

866
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: He's right there. I don't disagree with you, but when

867
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: you line up against teams that we're going to face,

868
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: these teams are lining up with four declarated receivers at

869
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: any given time, and you just can't afford to have

870
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: guys out there that are that inexperience against those that

871
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: type of quality. Because guess what, mister Jones doesn't want

872
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: to He doesn't want to hear that these guys are developing.

873
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, when you go out through

874
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: week one Thursday night football, he doesn't want to hear.

875
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he couldn't get his hands on Mike Emmas.

876
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: Oh he couldn't go against god Win. Oh he couldn't

877
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: stop a B in the slide, or he couldn't roll

878
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: down and stick grunk. He doesn't care about that. Figure

879
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: it out and it isn't and it doesn't get easy easier.

880
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Every team has a solid three. Now, Now, when you

881
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: came when you came into the league, when you came

882
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 1: into the league, there were guys like Terrell Owens, Terry

883
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Glen Though, that's who you learned from. That's how you

884
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: that's how you learn the ropes. For these guys that

885
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: are coming in, they don't they don't have that. They

886
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: don't have that. And so that's why I'm saying, I'm

887
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: not saying that we're in the rebuilding years. This ain't

888
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: it at all. We got to win the championship. I'm

889
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: all about what we're doing right now in the sense

890
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: of urgency is all through this building. I'm just saying

891
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: that you have the athletes on you, on your roster

892
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: that you think are gonna be your future futures. Now,

893
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure I hear that for sure, Kyle you, I mean,

894
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: Kyle's got a Battlegrounds series on our website. What are

895
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts about the young guys versus vats at Corner?

896
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: I think I line up with the thought process of Isaiah,

897
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: where you're trying to trim a little bit of cash. Now,

898
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be dead cap with if either one of

899
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: those guys are gone, I mean Lewis or Anthony Brown.

900
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: I was looking at both of their contracts right now.

901
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: Brown as one point seven five million of his twenty

902
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: twenty one salary fully guaranteed already, and that happened back

903
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: in March. So I think at the moment he's only

904
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: got what that's close to two million on the books

905
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: compared to what is a five million dollars deal. You

906
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: could say about three mill there. That's enough to go

907
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: and make another move if he really wanted to. I'm

908
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: not exactly sure if that's exactly how it works. I'm

909
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: not the money guy, but just numbers wise, if you

910
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: feel good about Calvin Joseph, if you feel good about Nashan, right,

911
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: that's great, and I'm okay with that. But I just

912
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've conflicted back and forth between fully

913
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: going all in on the rookies because you saw that

914
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: last year. You had to do that with Treylon Dicks.

915
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: And there's growth that's gonna happen with those rookies, much

916
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: like there was growth with Craivon Dick. So I see

917
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, and I think I agree with

918
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: you as to. On paper, that's probably the best thing.

919
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: But when you have three guys, four guys that are

920
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: in your six cornerbacks that are going to be even

921
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: either in year one or year two of their careers,

922
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: it worries me a little bit. There's not a whole

923
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: lot of leadership there. The only thing I would say

924
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: is just you think you have great depth until you don't.

925
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: And good boy. And I mean you know we've talked

926
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: about the great numbers at defensive tackle. Well your best

927
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: tackle just went down for several weeks, that Will Gallimore.

928
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden it's like, well we

929
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: got some young guys that we like Bohannah or DIGGI zooa, yes,

930
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: but are they ready? You know, how quickly can they

931
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: be impactful guys in regular season games? And so that's

932
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: just something I would I don't know, caution against, but

933
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: bring up when you're talking about some vets. Maybe we

934
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: have too many vets. And again last year, Man the

935
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: top four corners on this team all this time, and

936
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: I think we're Schard Robinson was starting games by December

937
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: last year. And as they pointed out, you know, top three,

938
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: sometimes you go four five. Just the way offenses attack

939
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: you this these days, man, there is there's no such

940
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: thing as too many corners that can cover for you

941
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: well right now. I mean, you got too many in there,

942
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna get cut down. Can't keep all of them,

943
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a talented cut in there. And

944
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is we have a bevy of talent,

945
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: and these guys are younger and they're eager, and you

946
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: you're seeing them competing, whether it be from the Hall

947
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: of Fame game with Nation right and on Claypool, or

948
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: whether the last game with boss Man Fatten it the

949
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: penalty and then the law. You would get to see

950
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: these guys develop real time. That's all I'm saying. I mean,

951
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: and you go to when we talk about going to

952
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: Raymond James Stadium, it is what it is. And whether

953
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: you line up with Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis, you

954
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: still have a task ahead of you. I mean, And

955
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: no matter what a Cowboys nation out there, this is

956
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: all positive. This is this is a problem to have.

957
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: Reason being, you're either gonna get better right and have

958
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: a solid, solid secondary, or you're gonna still have a

959
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: solid secondary and you're gonna trade away some guys that

960
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,080
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961
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Most likely you're you're gonnare not just gonna cut bait

962
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: and cut these guys the way that they've been competing

963
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: in the preseason. It helps you because even if you

964
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,400
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965
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: and whether you're acquiring another player or whether you're acquiring

966
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,480
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967
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: and Rob brought this up injury wise, but we're about

968
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: to go to break here in just a second, But

969
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter was last year, late down

970
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: the stretch, we were hoping that Anthony Brown and Jordan

971
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: Lewis we're going to work their way back into the

972
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,440
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973
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,239
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974
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: might be expendable, which is not a bad thing for

975
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans. Now, I'm sure probably Anthony Brown Jordan Lewis

976
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: don't appreciate that conversation as much, especially because Anthony Brown's

977
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,600
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978
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,720
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979
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,200
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980
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,520
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981
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,040
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982
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,640
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Speaker 1: not going to see Dak Prescott. Mike McCarthy said that yesterday,

1035
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Speaker 1: probably not gonna see Ezekiel Elliott. I would have to

1036
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1037
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Speaker 1: lot of the defensive starters. Rob, what are you looking

1039
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Speaker 1: for out of this preseason? Game number three? I finally

1040
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Speaker 1: got back to uh watching hard Knocks AP two, and

1041
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Speaker 1: I got admit, I haven't been tracking the Texans. I

1042
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1043
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Speaker 1: But what do you think about it? I just our knocks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry I doiled. It was Uh it

1045
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Speaker 1: was good, I mean it was. It was kind of

1046
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Speaker 1: a step back. You know, they're kind of looking at

1047
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Speaker 1: guys down down the roster. That's kind of that's kind

1048
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Speaker 1: of their formula. I enjoyed it. Um play styles what

1049
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said, and he keeps saying that to us.

1050
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Speaker 1: He keeps saying the team meeting. He just he wants,

1051
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Speaker 1: like Darren was saying earlier, playing fast, playing physical, winning mentality,

1052
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Speaker 1: a culture, a cult. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

1053
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Speaker 1: I wonder who what podcast said that Mike McCarthy to

1054
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Speaker 1: that this soft season over again, Isaiah stand back. That's

1055
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Speaker 1: what he's trying to do. And it's and it's not

1056
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're running you know, some scouts, some

1057
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: cards in practice this week. They're trying to game plan

1058
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he wants he wants a winning culture.

1059
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: He wants guys playing hard, playing physical, and trying to

1060
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: erase last year because I don't because Darren's right, man

1061
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: like on defense, they did not play fast and confidently

1062
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: until December of last year. Yeah, so they're trying to

1063
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: get that out of the system. You know. That's That's

1064
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. I want to I want to

1065
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: see that. I'm still waiting to see that culture show up.

1066
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm specifically I'm looking for the offensive line, um, the

1067
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: second string officsive line. I need to see something. I

1068
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: need to see some some form of consistency there. It

1069
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: wasn't there last week by any means. Um to feel

1070
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: some sense of security, I think that this is the

1071
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: game that matters. Week four preseason really doesn't matter. Week

1072
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: three is a game where coaches are really paying attention.

1073
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: Week three is a game or coaches want to see

1074
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: you step up, show that you have that that tenacity,

1075
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: showed that you're consistent, showed that you're reliable, and then

1076
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: go out there and just make some plays. So on

1077
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: the offensive line, I want to see I want to

1078
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: see those guys show up, and then I have my

1079
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: eyes I have my eyes fixated on these on this secondary.

1080
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's for the reasons we just finished talking about.

1081
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of unknowns right now in terms of

1082
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of positions up for grabs,

1083
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: and if you ever want to see some guys go

1084
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: out there and battle and compete, Oh, it's gonna be

1085
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: on it like Donkey Kong this weekend because everybody knows

1086
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: how valuable this game is. Yeah, I'm with you, guys.

1087
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: Offensive line, that's very important, obviously with the injuries we

1088
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: had last year, our second year with some of the

1089
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: rookies still, we'll see how he's developed. Uh Niseki seems

1090
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: to be the swing tackle. He's taking the reins on

1091
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: that but switching over to the other side of the ball.

1092
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: It's the defensive line for me. Carlos walkins with somebody

1093
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: that I was watching in the Arizona game and he's

1094
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: just called number ninety one. Watch him, man, this guy's

1095
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: getting some push. He is violent at the point of attack.

1096
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: He's doing a lot of good things in the front line.

1097
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: But also man number seventy five just keeps flashing he

1098
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: continues to flash. And I mean, I'm I'm worried about

1099
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore and how he gets, you know, his timetable

1100
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: and getting back because he's had such a good camp.

1101
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: But I just feel like the interior line that rotation

1102
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: is getting really good seeing these guys play together. Urban

1103
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: Urban may not have made that blow up play yet,

1104
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: but he is definitely impacting the game. Because you saw Arizona,

1105
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: He's so big, the quarterback is just standing there. You

1106
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: can't throw the ball over this guy because of his height.

1107
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: And then Armstrong gets credit for the sack, but it

1108
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: was because of Urban standing in his line of sight.

1109
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: So I just want to see these guys continue on that.

1110
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: And I also want to see Jaylen Smith, you know,

1111
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: as much as people have been on him so hard,

1112
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: I want to see nine continue to build that momentum

1113
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: Quinn's defense and and I man, I'm loving Dan Quinn.

1114
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he cusses like a Harrison, So I mean,

1115
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: I love this guy. Man. You mentioned Osa Diggi Zola

1116
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: and Brent Urban, which I think are two very important

1117
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: names to watch coming up on Saturday, because Osa might

1118
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: be your Neville Gallimore until Neville Gallimore gets back because

1119
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: you're not probably going to have Tristan Hill. He is.

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00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: I think it's Osa Diggi Zua. I think rookie third

1121
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: rounder is going to come in and be your starting

1122
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 1: three technique for the most part. And then Brent Urban,

1123
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: who was brought in. Initially he played a lot of

1124
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: interior defensive line in Chicago, but they brought him in

1125
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: with the initial intention of having him on the edge.

1126
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: They wanted him to be an edge rusher, and then

1127
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they were like, now we're gonna

1128
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: put you right back to the interior defensive tackle because

1129
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: that's where the need is. So I think both of

1130
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: those guys are going to rotate in. That's how you're

1131
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: going to fill up the spot left there by Tristan

1132
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: Hill and Neville Gallimore. And I'm glad you brought up

1133
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: a door In's Armstrong because I tweeted this out the

1134
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: last couple of practices. But I mean, he's had a

1135
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: fantastic camp and he's looked really, really good. For sure. Obviously,

1136
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert, I want to he's I would imagine he's

1137
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of time because Dak's Dack's not

1138
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna play in this game, based on what Mike McCarthy

1139
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: said yesterday, So can he continue to kind of firm

1140
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: up this offense and can they be more efficient offensively?

1141
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: There's been reasons why they haven't. It's not all him.

1142
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: He's missed some throws. The protection always hasn't been great

1143
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: snaps as well. That's another thing to watch for. You know,

1144
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: if Connor Williams gets to play a little bit at center,

1145
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: So watching for that and also you know the swing

1146
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: tackle spot. Heck, because I wouldn't imagine Lyle Collins is

1147
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: going to play in this game. He didn't finish practice yesterday.

1148
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: He's got to look like maybe the little neck thing.

1149
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: They're not back, they're not concerned about it, but he's

1150
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: not gonna play in this game. I'd be shocked if

1151
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: he did. So, depending on what they do with their

1152
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: starters without Dak, you might see the young lineman come

1153
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: in earlier than usual without Lyle Collins in the mix.

1154
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: Should he not play, I mean, he's played the first

1155
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: two preseason games. He's somebody that I feel like probably

1156
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: doesn't need any more preseason snaps, especially if he's dealing

1157
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: with something that injury wise. Do you think they still

1158
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: put out guys like Zack Martin and Tyron Smith who

1159
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: have not seen any playing time. Even though this is

1160
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: the quote unquote dress rehearsal, I don't know. I'm interested

1161
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: to see because one thing we were told during camp

1162
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: is a big part of Dak maybe playing in preseason

1163
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: would be how many guys are its starters are with him?

1164
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I'm all the guys with him, and I

1165
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: think Mary Cooper sounds like he wants to play in

1166
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: this game. Maybe he plays a little bit, but yeah,

1167
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the line um. Zach didn't practice yesterday

1168
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: and reported he kind of had a little stomach bug,

1169
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: and I mentioned Lyle, so I don't I don't know.

1170
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a different dynamic when your quarterback's not in there. Yeah,

1171
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: making me nervous. Man, you got a little neck, you

1172
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: got a little stomach bug. This is all starting to

1173
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: add up. Hee. But if none of these guys are

1174
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna play, I definitely don't want Dak back there for sure.

1175
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. Even if even if one of

1176
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: the three guys is not on the field, not gonna

1177
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: put him out there, It's not gonna happen. But you know, look,

1178
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: you talk about the center. That's another thing that I

1179
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: think everyone right now is concerned about. After watching Connor Williams,

1180
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do at the center position? Be Odish?

1181
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: The same way Farniak, what is you know? This is

1182
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: a game for him. He definitely has to put his

1183
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: game together pretty well because somebody's gonna get cut all

1184
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: level that these guys aren't gonna make it, and he

1185
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: even has a he's in position to try and make

1186
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: it because of his versatility. But sometimes, man, you gotta

1187
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: do one thing well, and I don't think he's found

1188
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: that one thing that he does well yet. One final thought, Isaiah,

1189
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you guys in line of thought in terms

1190
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: of protecting our veterans. However, you know the dress rehearsal.

1191
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: We've heard coach McCarthy say pretty much, these guys don't

1192
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: need the reps in so many words, they don't for

1193
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: their development, for their conditioning. They definitely need the reps

1194
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: because you don't you can't simulate the game in practice.

1195
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't care how much the coaches run you. I

1196
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: don't care how much two minute drill you run. It

1197
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's never the same they the conditioning, and

1198
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: you just hope and pray across your fingers whatever it

1199
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: is you do, and you just hope that these guys

1200
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: don't get injured in this game. But they need these

1201
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: live reps because they're not going to play next week

1202
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: and in the week after that. You play the best

1203
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: that there was this past year, So you might want

1204
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: to get out there and get your feet underneath, you

1205
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: get your lungs rolling a little bit, and then yeah,

1206
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: not for the necessarily the development, but for your just

1207
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: for your air alone, because it's gonna be thick down there,

1208
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be playing against Vita Vea and JPP

1209
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: and these dogs that they got over there, and they're

1210
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna be rudy roll. Yeah, lots of storylines, a bit

1211
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: of a roadmap for everybody getting ready to watch on Saturday,

1212
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: be sure to tune in to the Deep Blue documentary

1213
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: A Path to Safety special thanks to Darren Woodson for

1214
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: stopping by talking a little bit about his journey. That

1215
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. His documentary coming up on Saturday.

1216
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips was a huge part of that. Followed by

1217
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: a countdown to kickoff. It'll be me Mickey Spagnola Nick

1218
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Speaker 1: Eatman on the sideline at AT and T Stadium, and

1219
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Speaker 1: then the Cowboys take on the Texans at seven. But

1220
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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys Special.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Chris Beam and the back Nick Eatman for

1222
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Speaker 1: setting up that Darren Woodson interview for Rob Phillips, Isaiah

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Speaker 1: stand Back, het Ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's and het

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