WEBVTT - Charley Hoffman 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:01.760 When I was young, I think I was just dumb 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:03.840 enough that I think I could beat the guys that 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.120 were better than me. And now that I'm old, I 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:07.720 think I'm just dumb enough that I can still beat 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.280 those kids that are better than me. So there's a 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.280 little bit of dumb in there that goes on. But 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.120 what separates but is like the juices that come alive 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.160 in your body when you're playing a competitive sport like 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.560 that at the elite level, is you can't reproduce at 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:23.560 a club championship. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.680 You can't reproduce on Friday golf. You can't. But that's 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:27.360 what makes it. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.480 Some guys excel in that environment and some guys excel 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.680 at the other side. So like I say, I'm very 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:35.840 average golfer when it comes to a Friday golf match 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.280 with our friends out here, but I under the gun, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.440 I just something rises up that gets my juices going. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.640 And I would say I feed off that adrenaline, those 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.599 juices that go in which makes me better, and when 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:54.400 I'm just playing for fun, I don't have them. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:54.720 Hi. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.200 I'm Charlie hoffin PGA two are professional better known as 0:00:58.200 --> 0:00:58.680 the Seagull. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:10.160 Yeah, Hi everybody, and welcome back. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.600 To another episode. Thank you for joining me for Off 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.320 the Beat. I am your host, Brian Baumgartner, and now 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:24.480 today I got to record ir L That's right, which 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.160 is young people talk for in person, face to face. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.880 It's been a long time since I've had the opportunity 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.640 to do that. That was a lot of fun, and 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.000 I did it with today's guest because well he's also 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.760 my neighbor and a good friend. I am talking about 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:50.040 the seagull Charlie Hoffman, PGA Tour golfer and a PGA 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.040 Tour board member. With what has been going on with 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:59.000 golf over the last couple of years. Well, he's an insider, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.160 to say the lead. He's also a fierce champion of 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.920 the sport, both in the sense of being a winner 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.680 and an advocate to making it better and to helping 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.680 golf reach a wider audience. So I'm excited for you 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:18.239 to hear the inside scoop on the PGA, his recent 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:23.040 major accomplishment on the Green and yes, our very own 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.760 Friday Golf group, Landon Donovan is a member of that 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.320 group as well. So look out here he comes dropping 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:41.320 bombs the Seagull Charlie Hoffman, bubble and squeak. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:48.880 I love it, Bubble and Squeakna bubble and squeaker, cooking 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.160 at every mole. Lift over from the ninety four. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.680 Charlie. How's it going? How's it going? It's good to 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.160 see you. We're here at. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:12.480 Our We're coming to you live from Rancho Santa Fe 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:14.640 golf Course. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.720 How long have you been here? How long have you 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.640 played here? I've long backtrack? 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.120 Story is I grew up getting lessons from the longtime 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.680 pro Chuck Courtney here, so a long long time. I 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.160 grew up in Poway, which is only fifteen twenty minutes 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:32.240 from here, but been an actual member ten years. We 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.280 bought the house just prior to my kids going to 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.960 school here, and they're in seventh and fifth grade, so 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.480 I bet you close to ten years I remember. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.200 Right, But you've been playing here since you were a kid. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.960 I grew up like literally my first instructor, Chuck Courney, 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.240 was the pro here and this is where I drove 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.360 from Poway and my parents used to dropped me off 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:49.560 and I got lessons. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:49.920 Was this so? 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.960 Was would you consider this like your home course? When 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.640 you were out like you weren't allowed to play it? 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:55.960 Sort of like couldn't you know. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.760 I just came in and took a lesson and they 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.520 kicked me out. I'm a Poway kid. They went and 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.240 let the Pwai kid in ranch to Santa Fe. Well, 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.360 where where did you play? 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:04.520 Like? 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.360 Where where was your home course? I grew up a public, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:08.360 public golf course. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.400 We're at Ranch Bernardo in Oaks North Or when I 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.320 got in high school, my parents joined stone Ridge. Uh so, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.880 first club I was a member. It wasn't until high school. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.440 So I grew up playing all different golf courses in 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.640 powaway from golf courses aren't even there. Came on ranches 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.520 gone the old I mean half of them, art aren't 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.240 even there any longer, their housing developments. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.760 But uh so I was. I was a public course 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.880 kid right. Well, so spoiler alert. You grew up in 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.640 the San Diego area. For those of you who don't 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.360 know powways in the San Diego area, I mean you 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.799 you've traveled everywhere around the globe. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.680 Why why do you call San Diego home. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.880 It's the best. It's the best spot in the world. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.919 I've seen it all, literally, the best spot. Now, it 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.120 was great before I started paying taxes. It's not quite 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.359 great now dumb, so much money in the Texas, But 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.120 you know what I lived. I went to college in UNLV, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.880 which some sort of probably more of a spoiler. I 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.560 won national championship in ninety eight. Stayed out there. I 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.680 tell the stories. I couldn't afford anything else. I was 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.760 lucky enough my grandparents left me some money to go 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.080 to college, didn't need it, got a scholarship, used out 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.240 as down payment of first house right out of college, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.760 and then sort of just made that my home base. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.960 Playing professional golf was easy to travel from, great practicabilities, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.680 a great place as a single young male, also to 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.919 hang out. And then I started having a family and 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.240 decided it's probably a little bit better to raise. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.320 A family in San Diego and Diego. That's how we 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:37.680 got here. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.159 When people ask me as I travel around why San Diego, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.239 I said, well, it's only bad if you don't like perfect. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.960 I mean, the true story is, like my wife, I'll 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.360 be on the road for three weeks and I come home. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.600 It was like, oh, right, let's go on a vacation. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.200 I'm like, this is a vacation. No, I know, I 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:55.880 just want to be home right. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.919 Growing up already said you played golf. You took lessons here? 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.080 Were there other sports? 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:04.479 Yeah? 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.640 Grew up playing competitive baseball, All Star baseball. Okay, through 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.640 until high school. Golf and baseball were the same time. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.839 Grew up playing competitive soccer, traveling soccer in Powaway, and 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.599 then I played soccer through my senior year of high school. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.799 So I played two sports in high school. And then uh, then, obviously, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.320 once I got recruited to play golf at U and 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.440 LV obviously focused down to one. Right, did your parents 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.000 play golf? The story behind that is my dad didn't 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.400 play golf. It was a friend's grandpa about three doors down, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.240 Bill Lundry. His grandpa's name was Henry Lundy, invited us 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.560 to go play golf for me and him to go 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.559 play golf with him. We loved it one because we 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.800 both were friends and we could interact. And then my 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.200 dad started using the story of if I wanted to 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:47.520 spend any time with my son, I had to go. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.200 I had to pick up golf. So he went and 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.720 played golf every once in a while with us on 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.720 the weekend. And then now he's hooked and probably plays 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:53.359 more golf than I do. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.159 Oh really, yeah, he loves it. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.320 He's a member of our branch Maato Country Club and 0:06:58.360 --> 0:06:59.120 plays all the time. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.039 So one of the things I like to ask people 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.440 is when you're a kid, like you just said, you 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.520 play soccer, you play competitive baseball, you golf, Like, at 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.360 what point for you is there a shift? Like at 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.200 what point is it like, oh, this is something that 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.080 I could do, or was it just I would need 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.040 to get a scholarship to college so I'm going to 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.240 do that, or was there a moment for you? 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.520 Well, I'd say that. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.640 I mean, I've played competitive golf obviously through San die 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.040 agrian A Golf as a young kid, and then at sixteen, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.960 I was lucky enough at the back in the day 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.760 at the Buick Invitational, they had an amateur qualifier okay, 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.480 and two guys initially, I mean, which is unheard of 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:40.240 now if you think about it. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:40.960 They had the. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.760 Local San Diego Golf had or the PGA or whatever 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.920 you want to call it, had a qualifier for two amateurs, 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.000 not pros weren't even allowed. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.240 So two amateurs played the event. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.920 And when I was sixteen, I qualified, didn't make the cut, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.119 but I'm like, holy crap, I'm I'm in the mix. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.200 I like this warming up next to Jacobson Stadler. Guys, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.280 I washed on TV, just like the kids are doing now. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.040 I'm like, got those juices going. I'm like, I like 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.440 this right. Then go to college and I'm eighteen, freshman 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.920 year of college, actually not really playing a ton for 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.080 my college team at U and l V. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.160 At the time, we were one of the best in 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:15.640 the country. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.480 And I go and make the cut at to b 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.800 a invitational now the Farmer's Insurance Open in San Diego. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.520 So I'm eighteen years old, not even playing on my 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.880 college team. That's how good our college team was. And 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.600 my coach is Caddy in and I make the cut. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.439 I'm like, well, I'm obviously one of the best players 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.400 in the country. The coach the next week goes, You're 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.200 not even to travel for us. I'm like, what is 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.719 going on? So our team was great. We had a 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.240 bunch of all Americans, bunch Adam Scott. Adam Scott was 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.360 a freshman when I was a senior. But when I 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.040 was a freshman, Chris Riley obviously a Ryder cuper, Chad 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:48.960 Campbell ride our copper. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.120 We had. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.040 We had some great, great players that obviously would outclass 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.920 me at that time. And but that was it was 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.120 humbling and like sort of I knew I had it 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:00.880 at the same time when I when I was around eighteen, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.800 thinking I could compete against the best in the world. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:07.040 Well before then, though, you you win two state championships. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:12.360 Now this is California, Southern California, Southern California. California Southern California. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:13.160 What they split it. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.800 They did split the Northern California and Southern California. Obviously 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.400 it'd be kind of hard to put them both together. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.800 But who won in Northern California when you want in 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.520 Southern If I had to guess, it would be a 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.840 guy like Joel Krible Joe Carbro sort of dominated. He 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.839 played at Stanford with Tiger, just under Tiger, just after Tiger, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.559 and he was the sort of the guy in my 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.319 time that wasn't Tiger Woods that won a lot of 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:33.960 a lot of events. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.080 Did you play I just didn't even occur to me. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.720 Did you play stuff in California with Tiger when he 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.640 went like when you would have been a little older. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.880 It's funny, he always played up so when I played 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.559 junior golf stuff, he was playing amateur like US amateur stuff. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.800 Amate golf, and when I was playing amateur stuff, he 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.320 was en amateur playing professional golf. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.439 So our past didn't cross a. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.160 Ton, even though we're I think he's one year older 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.720 than me really growing up. Besides, he dominated anything and 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:58.480 everything he played in. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:05.559 Right, you go to UNLV, you win a national championship 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:10.120 in nineteen ninety eight on that team. By the time 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.480 you won the national championship, how much were you playing that? 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:12.960 Yeah? 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.960 I was playing full time there, but I would be 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.080 the first person to tell you I was probably the. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:18.640 Number four guy on the team. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.160 Yeah, really, Yeah, it might have been that the coach 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.000 so I like to have fun in college. It might 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.880 have been that I didn't always put all the effort 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:26.480 and work in that. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.600 I maybe could have. But our teams were stacked. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:31.959 We were never out of like the top three in 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.880 the country when I was the four years ours there 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.800 is I mean it was, I mean somewhat of a dynasty. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.280 We should have won a couple national championships. We only 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.040 won one. But I was never the best player, and 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.360 any time I wasn't the best player in junior golf, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.439 I was never the best player in amateur golf and 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.680 professional golf. I just sort of succeeded. I sort of 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.160 put my granted, but I still wouldn't say I was 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.040 the best player ever to play the PGA Tour. But 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.160 I mean, I've sort of always been a role player 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.040 and always knew I could beet and play against guys. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.600 So one thing that's interesting to me, and now having 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.640 played with you and others who are professional, what would 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.960 you say is the intangible or like there's a lot 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.960 of great players, right, I mean, there's a lot of 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.920 great players at this club that are like plus five, 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.880 plus six, you know, but couldn't ever sort of make 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.480 it beyond being just a recreational golfer. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.400 Like what do you think that it is? Is it 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.439 a mindset? Is it a what is it that takes 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.520 you just to that extra level. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.839 I've said this before. When I was young, I think 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.800 I was just dumb enough that I think I could 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.120 beat the guys that were better than me. And now 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.800 that I'm old, I think I'm just dumb enough that 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.720 I can still beat those kids that are better than me. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.040 So there's a little bit of dumb in there that 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:52.080 goes on. But what separates is like the juices that 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.440 come alive in your body when you're playing a competitive 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.560 sport like that at the elite level. Is you can't 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.040 reproduce at a club championship, you can't produce on Friday golf. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.000 You can, but that's what makes it. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.120 Some guys excel in that environment and some guys excel 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.319 at the other side. So like I say, I'm very 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.480 average golfer when it comes to a Friday golf match 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.920 with our friends out here. But if under the gun, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.079 I just something rises up that gets my juices going. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.240 And I would say I feed off that adrenaline, those 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.760 juices that go in which makes me better. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.320 And when I'm just playing for fun, I don't have them. Right. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.920 Well, I said a long time ago, I have to 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:29.960 play for something. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.760 I think there has to be something, as you know, 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.000 for me, there has to be something. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.480 On the line, or well there's no steaks, Yeah, it 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.080 doesn't matter, and you're feeling in the ultimate steaks. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.360 Yeah, yes, so I still look. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.840 I mean, obviously more you gamble for on the golf 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:49.600 course somewhere it gets my attention. But I learned from 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.680 a young age that gambling was part of golf and 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.360 that's just sort of how you got better. And you 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.200 saw there's some always some sort of breaking point. You 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:58.960 always found that you tried to find that in a 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.000 person and see what broke them, if it was money 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.559 or how you talked, or how fast you played or 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.800 how slow you played. You always tried to find an 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.160 edge on somebody. And I think that's I've always looked 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.000 for that edge to be beat somebody, and that's why 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.880 I've always been fairly successful doing it. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:13.320 Well. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.280 I was going to talk about this later, but it 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.480 seems like a perfect transition. You have a nickname, yes, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:20.480 the seagull. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.920 Yes, what does that refer to? The seagull? 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.640 So it transpired back in Las Vegas, and I'm going 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.200 to probably give Maleinger, John Mallinger the credit on this. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.800 And Bill Lundy and I were chipping and I think 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.480 we might have been calling Mallinger of the Seagull to 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.439 be honest with you, and then obviously it might might 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.160 have turned on me, and then somehow Colt knows. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:40.640 Got ahold of it. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.760 But back to the actual, what does this seagull mean? 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.280 It is like I fly around and shit on everybody. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.880 I talked shit about it, I mean, but I do 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.480 it to your face. I don't know, I don't I 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.800 don't do it behind your back. Right, That's where sort 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.040 of Colt obviously couldn't play because he wasn't very good 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.600 and he got an announcing gig and uh and then 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.800 he was People start to listen to what he said, 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.080 and he sort of I would say, I would credit 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.240 him to making that mainstream the Seagull. Yeah, so it's 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.720 I wouldn't say it's his fault or his greatness, but 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.480 I think it originally came from Mallinger. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.000 Are you are you proud of that? I embraced it. Okay, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.320 I don't. I don't. I never denied it, but I 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.680 embrace it. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't think 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.880 it's a bad thing. Right. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.440 Does it give you a competitive advantage? Is that what 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.520 you're doing is you are you looking to try to 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:29.600 get in someone's. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.240 Head or like on a Tuesday, you're always I mean 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.680 that's when you talk trash. Everybody's on a Tuesday when 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.520 you're gambling or have a match, and that's sort of 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.360 when you're sort of, what's this guy have? 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.800 What's this guy not have? And he sort of, you know, 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.200 you know, the greats. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.080 Are harder to get into their head and the not 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:47.440 grades are a little bit easier. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:48.680 So I try to. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.200 Find something I might store it in the back of 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.200 my brain and then bring it out on it at 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.520 a time, and so that I think that's the seagle 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:54.960 side of it. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.280 I'm strategic on that side. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.440 I wouldn't say in competition, I'm not going to try 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.920 to use on you, but in a gambling I definitely will. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.640 Right you turned pro just a couple of years out 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.000 of college. Start on the by at the time, the 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.880 buy dot Com tour. This is the corn Ferry Tour. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.080 Now correct, right. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:12.440 You? 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:18.320 You only made four of nineteen, missed my first sixteen 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:18.680 in a row. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.840 If you want to be actively sixteen sixteen in a row, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.640 this is actually probably not many people know this story. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.920 So Zach Johnson and myself somehow became friends. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.640 I have no idea at all or why. But he's 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:31.280 a nice guy. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.400 A nice guy, but he missed the first They want 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.440 to say twelve cuts in a row, missed the first sixteen. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.520 We roomed half the time together, and we're like, what 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.040 the heck is going on? There's no chance for going 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.080 to be any I mean, think of those two names. Obviously, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.840 Zach's definitely in Hall of famer. I've been out there 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.240 for nearly twenty years now. It's like two guys that 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.280 couldn't break an egg. So any any kid listening to this, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.960 and I'm not telling be professional golfer or anything, but 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.000 you can make it after some struggles. But we were, honestly, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.320 we're driving the country. We both had a car, drove 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.880 the country. We had a lot of weekends off, we 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.720 practiced a ton together, and we just tried to become better. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.040 And at that age, as I say, I learned way 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.440 more in those first sixteen events of the year I 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.320 played golf, and I've learned since, Learned how to travel, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.360 learned how to deal with the emotion of missing Cutch, learned, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 just learned so much about myself in a very short 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.200 period of time. Because I'd always been very successful, most 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.120 most kids playingrofessional golf had. But I mean, I've excelled 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:27.960 in junior golf, I excelled in college golf, and then 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.960 all of a sudden, you and I get right out 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.040 of college on I would say, a major tour, the 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.280 buy dot Com Tour, the corn Ferry Tour, which I 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.720 think only two kids got. Throw all the back when 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.440 Q school is coming back but back when Q school 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.520 was the only way to get on tour. Only two 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.480 guys from college that he even made it to the 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.920 Buy dot Com tour. So it's a very small group. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.160 But you're thrown in the middle of it. There's no 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.240 one else helping helping you out. It's not like this 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.280 day and age when everybody has an agent knew doing 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:51.000 hotels for you. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.400 I mean I had an agent, but that's it was 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:53.240 just a different time. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.360 The Internet didn't really exist, and I'm picking up flyers 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.160 on the way from Denny's on what the cheapest hotel 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.760 is to stay at. But it was a long road 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:03.800 that first year on the corn Ferry tour. But two 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.120 of us that weren't very successful ended up being successful 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.199 because I think we learned from our mistakes and what 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.880 we did wrong and how we could do things better. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.400 First of all, that's a great lesson, right, Like take 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:17.479 that adversity. It reminds me of when the La Rams 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:18.320 moved from. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.320 This is like such a weird reference, but I don't know. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.800 This is what popped into my head when the La 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.000 Rams moved from Saint Louis to la and there was 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.159 this show All or Nothing on Amazon Prime that highlighted 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.200 their season, and they're moving and spoiler alert, they were terrible. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.560 Jeff Fisher gets fired in the middle of the year 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.560 and anyway, I got brought in to help sell this 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.240 all or nothing documentary because the rams were like, yeah, 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.480 we don't want anything to do with that, and the 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:54.200 story became how difficult that transition was for everyone, right, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:59.520 because you're moving not just you know, shoulder pads and 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.720 helmet and all of your equipment, but your personnel. Everyone's 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.520 trying to find a place to. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.280 Live, families and families. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.520