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Speaker 2: You can't reproduce on Friday golf. You can't. But that's

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie hoffin PGA two are professional better known as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi everybody, and welcome back.

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Speaker 4: To another episode. Thank you for joining me for Off

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Speaker 4: the Beat. I am your host, Brian Baumgartner, and now

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Speaker 4: today I got to record ir L That's right, which

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Speaker 4: It's been a long time since I've had the opportunity

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Speaker 4: the seagull Charlie Hoffman, PGA Tour golfer and a PGA

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Speaker 4: major accomplishment on the Green and yes, our very own

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Speaker 4: bombs the Seagull Charlie Hoffman, bubble and squeak.

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Speaker 5: I love it, Bubble and Squeakna bubble and squeaker, cooking

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Speaker 2: Charlie. How's it going? How's it going? It's good to

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Speaker 4: Our We're coming to you live from Rancho Santa Fe

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Speaker 2: How long have you been here? How long have you

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Speaker 1: Story is I grew up getting lessons from the longtime

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Speaker 1: I grew up like literally my first instructor, Chuck Courney,

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Speaker 4: But uh so I was. I was a public course

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Speaker 4: When people ask me as I travel around why San Diego,

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Speaker 1: We had some great, great players that obviously would outclass

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Speaker 4: Well before then, though, you you win two state championships.

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Speaker 4: Did you play I just didn't even occur to me.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, he always played up so when I played

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Speaker 4: Right, you go to UNLV, you win a national championship

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Speaker 1: I was playing full time there, but I would be

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Speaker 4: Does it give you a competitive advantage? Is that what

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Speaker 2: You only made four of nineteen, missed my first sixteen

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Speaker 1: If you want to be actively sixteen sixteen in a row,

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Speaker 2: I had to go back to the first stage tour school.

441
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Speaker 1: And then I missed that. I'm like, holy, what the

442
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: heck is going on? I went from fairly stiphoned the

443
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Speaker 1: next thing, you have nothing to go back on. Played

444
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Speaker 1: so many tours in Europe a little bit, but there

445
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 1: was a small point in time when I was playing

446
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 1: mini tours and like, if I don't get if I

447
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: don't get through this year, I don't want to be

448
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 1: that journey pro guy that's thirty something years old and

449
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 1: playing mini tours and not making any money. So I

450
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 1: gave myself one more year to do that. And this

451
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: period of time felt like longer than my eighteen or

452
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Speaker 1: nineteen years on tour.

453
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Speaker 2: It was a weird part.

454
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Speaker 1: I mean, not where you want to be struggling in

455
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: a but looking back, it didn't really take that long

456
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Speaker 1: for me to get on tour.

457
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Speaker 2: But those those years were long years and hard years.

458
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Speaker 1: And I was able to get my full by icon

459
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Speaker 1: card back or corn Ferry Tour card back by doing

460
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Speaker 1: Monday qualifiers and ended up winning a year. Didn't get

461
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 1: my tour card that year, and the next year I

462
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: played spit the full year on that Corn Ferry Tour

463
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 1: and was able to get my card through the top.

464
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Speaker 1: I think it was twenty guys, and I haven't looked

465
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Speaker 1: back since, and I don't I think I think it

466
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: was so hard down there, you don't want to go

467
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Speaker 1: back there. It's like you got so much scar, You're like,

468
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 1: let me stay up here as long as I can.

469
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Speaker 1: I still firmly believe that anybody that goes back up

470
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Speaker 1: to that tour after a couple of years on tour,

471
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Speaker 1: they're like, why am I down? Is very depressing if

472
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: you've tasted the PGA Tour and think you belong up there. Right,

473
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, you win the Permian Permian Basin Open,

474
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Speaker 1: Permian Basin Open. That's your first Professon Midland Texas, Midland Texas.

475
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Speaker 2: What was that like?

476
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Speaker 1: It was such a world win year because I was

477
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Speaker 1: sort of the year I'm like, if I don't do it,

478
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: and then I was able to win and it gave

479
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Speaker 1: me obviously some financial ability to play the next few

480
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Speaker 1: years and do that.

481
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Speaker 2: It's it was awesome.

482
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Speaker 1: Obviously without that win, I I may not been here,

483
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Speaker 1: may not been playing professional golf, So that was important. Obviously,

484
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: would love to have got my card that year, but

485
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Speaker 1: it took me a whole another year to get my

486
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Speaker 1: card and I was able to do it. But that

487
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Speaker 1: win is as special as pretty much any of them. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: actually probably a close second to the Bob Hope that

489
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: I won my first PGA Tour win No. Seven, but

490
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Speaker 1: that's probably because you get on tour and I played

491
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Speaker 1: a whole year on tour and that was my first

492
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: event in seven and a good friend that I met

493
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: through through the ranks of playing celebrity golf tournaments, and

494
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Speaker 1: George Lopez was hosting it that year, which he didn't

495
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Speaker 1: host it many years, but it was it was actually

496
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Speaker 1: nice to have someone around that we played a practice

497
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Speaker 1: round and just knew each other and my first year

498
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Speaker 1: and I was able to win the event and he

499
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Speaker 1: was watching it.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty cool.

501
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Speaker 1: And that sort of gave me the thought of belonging

502
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Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour because you really didn't know if

503
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Speaker 1: he belonged and I'd only been out there a year

504
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: and you're a young kid, and it's like it gave me,

505
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Speaker 1: I would say, a spot in the fraternity of the

506
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Speaker 1: PGA Tour.

507
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Speaker 2: And but was what was really.

508
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Speaker 1: Weird that I haven't talked much about, is like, all

509
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, a young kid and I get thrown

510
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Speaker 1: in like the Ryder Cup discussion the president.

511
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Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on a second.

512
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Speaker 1: I just went from trying to keep my job X

513
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: amount of months ago, now I'm throwing it.

514
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Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for that either, and.

515
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: Sort of struggle and put some more pressure on myself

516
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Speaker 1: that I really hadn't thought about.

517
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Speaker 2: But that that was a that was.

518
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: A great time, but sort of all of a sudden

519
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: put added pressure on myself that really wasn't needed.

520
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Speaker 4: Right through the BMW Championship. You and I have talked

521
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Speaker 4: about that, which is a current event on the corn

522
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Speaker 4: Ferry Tour. I've had the opportunity to go and play

523
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Speaker 4: with a bunch of those guys, Max.

524
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Speaker 2: Homer, Harry Higgs.

525
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Speaker 4: I mean the ability of those guys again, it's like

526
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: it's like you're playing on the PGA Tour.

527
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the ability is insane.

528
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Speaker 1: They may have more ability to honestly like raw talent.

529
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Speaker 1: Those guys have raw talent, they just don't don't know

530
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Speaker 1: how to harness it for them and how to I

531
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: would say, actually play golf. But like you said in

532
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: the Ranger, and watch those guys hit golf balls on

533
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry Tour nowadays, they probably hit it further

534
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: and make a different sound than a lot of the

535
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: guys on the PGA Tour. But they just haven't sort

536
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: of figured out how to play PGA Tour golf and

537
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: navigate themselves around the golf course.

538
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: But there's tremendous talent down on that tour. I mean

539
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: it's been.

540
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Speaker 1: Debatable for the last few years versus the second best

541
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Speaker 1: tour in the world. And obviously your produces amazing talent

542
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: on the DPAT their top their top end talent is

543
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Speaker 1: top end. But if you go to the middle of

544
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: the talent the corn Ferry Tour, middle of the talent

545
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: could be a PJ Tour star the next year.

546
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, why do you think that they're well, I mean,

547
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 4: like you said, some of them are just young and

548
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: they just have to take the time.

549
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: Not the learning curve that I just talked about.

550
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like they they I mean, it's easier

551
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: I think now with Internet and agents and all that

552
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: stuff to be able to travel around and understand where

553
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: to stay and get caddies.

554
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: But there's a learning curve for all of us.

555
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I think that's the biggest thing

556
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: you sort of with the Corn Ferry Tour does great

557
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: job of its teaching guys how to travel, teaching how

558
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: to score, teaching how to play golf.

559
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: And once you get.

560
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: On the PJ Tour, you're playing You're not playing against

561
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: the best guys your age, You're playing the best guys

562
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: that were the best guys for the last.

563
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: Couple of generations.

564
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Speaker 1: So that I mean it's it's some serious talent you're

565
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: and it's you're thrown right in the mixer.

566
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Speaker 4: What has been your philosophy over your career obviously long

567
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 4: career in terms of caddy Like.

568
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: What are you?

569
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Speaker 4: What are you looking for? What kind of person do

570
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: you feel helps you the most being out there?

571
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Week to week, I've really only had three caddies.

572
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Speaker 1: My first caddy, Miguel Rivera, was was a guy that

573
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Speaker 1: was trying to play professional golf. Went to some Monday

574
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: qualifiers with me on that Corn for a tour of

575
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: the year I was like the last year and he

576
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't qualify.

577
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: I would qualify, and then he would caddy for me.

578
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Speaker 1: He'd make some money to cover somebody spend to be

579
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Speaker 1: able to go the next week.

580
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Speaker 2: So that next thing, you know, I get my tour card.

581
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Speaker 1: He doesn't play golf in morning, he comes and caddies

582
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: for me on the PGA Tour.

583
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: That lasted nearly ten years. What did he give you?

584
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: What?

585
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: He I always liked the friend on the bag and

586
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Speaker 2: the guy that knew golf.

587
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: So friendship. We guy to be able to go to

588
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: dinner with God, to be able to hang out with

589
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: and knew the game of golf, so that was key.

590
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: So and then the next guy transitions into Brett Waldman,

591
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: which was one of the better, better caddies on tour.

592
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: Lost success. He was a great player, just done.

593
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Speaker 1: He played caddied on tour, caddy for Camilla for a

594
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: bunch of years, I mean go on and on. But

595
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: his best year with Camila when he was playing good

596
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: in the FedEx Cup. And then he decided he wanted

597
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: to go try to play professional golf, so he went

598
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: went to Cuscoll He got his corn Ferry Tour card

599
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: back and he played his corn Ferry Tour and he

600
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: was he was good, but then he lost his card

601
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: and now he doesn't have a job again.

602
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Then he starts catting again. That's how he sorted.

603
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Speaker 1: He was caddying for David Thomas actually before he started

604
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: catting for me, and Uh, I just had part of

605
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: ways and my miguel and I called him up and

606
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: uh he was able at caddy and he first week

607
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: he caddy for me, I won. So I'm like, all right,

608
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: that's that's a good start. And uh he caddied for

609
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: me about four years. But back he fit the mold.

610
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: He was a friend that I'd know him through through

611
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: the years of playing the PGA Tour. Uh Andy nu

612
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: golf and then now my current caddy is Andy Barnes,

613
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: uh older brother of Ricky Barnes, and he played at

614
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: UO of A. He used to kick my button amateur golf.

615
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: He was very very good golfer. But uh, I would

616
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: say injuries back injuries sort of sidelined his uh career

617
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Speaker 1: of playing golf.

618
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Speaker 2: And he caddied for me a little bit early on

619
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Speaker 2: in my career.

620
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: Uh, but then he got the opportunity to go be

621
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Speaker 1: an assistant coach at Arizona, and I'm like, He's like,

622
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: what should I do?

623
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you can always come back in Caddy.

624
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: But the opportunity to.

625
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: Be a coach and in the city you grew up

626
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: or not grew up that you live in now is

627
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: you can't pass that opportunity yet, right. He went, did

628
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: that for a few years, liked it, but decided when

629
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: he wanted to get the head coaching job there and

630
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: saw that it wasn't going to get the head coaching

631
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: job there, he decided to come back and Caddy and

632
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: we sort of joined up forces of four or five

633
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: years ago, and next thing you know, it's nearly I've

634
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: just finished my pretty much my eighteenth year on tour,

635
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: going my nineteenth year, and I've only been through three guys.

636
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: So the common denomeer is you.

637
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: Got you had to play golf, and you had to

638
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: be I had to be able to get along with

639
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: you because you're right, you're with these people more than

640
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: you are your wife, right, and literally traveling on planes,

641
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: renting cars together.

642
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: Some in early on career split in hotel rooms.

643
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Now obviously fortunate enough now have to split hotel rooms,

644
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: but a lot of times stay in the same spot.

645
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: So you spend a lot of time with these guys,

646
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: you better be able to get along with them.

647
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: Right.

648
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: How much are they giving you advice about shot or

649
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: club selection? Is so like pedestrian, But I mean, like,

650
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: are you going to hit a six iron this way

651
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 4: or a seven iron that way?

652
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: Are they talking? Is more keep you in check? Okay?

653
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: So I'll use an example.

654
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: Say three holes earlier are the same direction, hole and wind,

655
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: and you hit a six iron we'll say one hundred

656
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: and eighty five yards, and then you got the same

657
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: shots like one ninety five and the only and you

658
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: get the carry of the bunkers one ninety's like, dude,

659
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: you just hit this club one only one eighty five

660
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: the whole prior, I don't think you can make it

661
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: over that bunker, and say I would have pulled six irons,

662
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: like we've got X amount behind the green. I think

663
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: five irons better play here. It sort of keeps you

664
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Speaker 1: in check, making sure you make the right decision. Ideally,

665
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: you're thinking clearly, and he doesn't have to do a lot.

666
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: But that's not always the case. You always think he

667
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: might be able to and I think he's just there

668
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: to state the obvious, making sure you don't make a mistake. Obviously,

669
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: we're in control of a club, we pulling what shot

670
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: we hit. But they're they're the only people watching every shot,

671
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: you and your caddy, So they're there to keep you

672
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: in check and make sure your motions are in check

673
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: and and when you're acting like a prick, and to

674
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: keep you in check. And that's what that's the hard

675
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: part of the especially being a friend, is being able

676
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: to say something in us acknowledge it when we're not

677
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: doing what we're supposed to be doing right.

678
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 4: Your most recent title, the Texas Open, you got to

679
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: a career high world ranking of twentieth in the world.

680
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: Was that a big deal for you? Top twenty?

681
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: You know what, I never thought about world ranking a ton,

682
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: probably because I wasn't that high up in my career.

683
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I would say I love competing that that event. Obviously,

684
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: again I was hot and I played well, but playing

685
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: in majors always got my juices going.

686
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: Always.

687
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: That's sort of what every everybody's career is based off of.

688
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't play a ton in my career.

689
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: I played a decent amount and I competed a decent

690
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: amount in them, but something about the majors getting I

691
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: got those juices going a little.

692
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: Bit more than the PGA Tour event.

693
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: But I always formed a schedule around the golf course

694
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to play, not always based on the best

695
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: field field qualities. It was just like sort of like

696
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: what flowed, which is different times. If you look back now,

697
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: it's like maybe I wouldn't have done that. But I

698
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: never really looked at per sizes. I never really looked

699
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: at who was playing to what events I want to play.

700
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I sort of navigated around cities I wanted to go to,

701
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: or now birthdays and events that I have during the summer.

702
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: That so it's going to be a different time with the.

703
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: New schedule and the PGA Tour, what guys playing, what

704
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: they don't play, but my home my whole career, I

705
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: was able to pick and plan strategically and what course

706
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to play. And that might have inhibited my

707
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: world ranking because there's definitely an art to be able

708
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: to climb up that world ranking board, and some guys

709
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: have played it perfectly and I just was never into

710
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: that game of doing that.

711
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: Well.

712
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: Being on the tour eighteen years, you do you did Okay,

713
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: you managed it.

714
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

715
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: As you mentioned before, there is there is a group

716
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: we call it Friday Golf here in Rancho Santa Fe.

717
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: A big deal this year at the Wendham Championship in Greensboro,

718
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: North Carolina.

719
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Speaker 2: You make an albatross.

720
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: This My phone went off more within a thirty minute

721
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: period then maybe any time in my life. Tell me

722
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 4: about that and the feeling of that, and the messages

723
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: that you must have received from not just us but

724
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: everybody else.

725
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

726
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: It was almost like whenning a golf tournament on the

727
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: message side, but walk you through the shot was it was.

728
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: It's an interesting part five.

729
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: It's short, little part five, but there's a crosspunker and

730
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: then hazard going down the left hand side, and it

731
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: was probably three wood off the tee would be in

732
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: the strategic move and be able to hit we'll say

733
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: a long iron or a wood to the center of

734
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: the green and put over. And I was in the position.

735
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: It was the last tournament sort of the year of

736
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup. I really didn't have a ton of

737
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: loser gain from it. To my caddy and I are like, well,

738
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: let's try to feed a driver up there and sort

739
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: of into this neck and then you have a better

740
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: angle into the pen and try to make an egle

741
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: of some sort. I was able to do that, and

742
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: then I hit the beautiful cut six ron, probably a

743
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: little further right than I intended, but it landed just

744
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: perfectly soft and night I saw the gallery hand that

745
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: you couldn't see the ball on the hole, but the

746
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: gallery hands went up. They're like uh, and then like sheering,

747
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they just went crazy.

748
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: And I mean it for I would say the Windom

749
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Championship amazing champian, but it's not.

750
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: It's not a major. There's not usually a ton of

751
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: but that this hole.

752
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: Had a ton of people, a lot of corporate box

753
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: around and it was it was loud right around that hole,

754
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: and uh it was.

755
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: It was obviously amazing.

756
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Feelings is the first first one I've made on the

757
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: PGA tour that I recollect.

758
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: My stat say it's your first, yeah.

759
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: First one. But I got a funny story. We'll go

760
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: back to reverse. I don't know why this even came

761
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: to my head, but my wife at the time girlfriend

762
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: came out to boise Wise playing probably by dot Com

763
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: tour back in the day, and she.

764
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Never watched me play golf.

765
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I go, I'm starting on the back nine and

766
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: make an albatross on the fourteenth hole, and then like

767
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: four holes later on the par five, I shank it

768
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: in the water. I tell I tell my wife or

769
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: not not my wife girlfriend. I'm like, you won't believe this,

770
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: but you'll probably never see those two shots ever again

771
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: from me. And then it was a span of forty

772
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: five minutes. That was the last time I think I

773
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: had an albatross and competitive golf was at it at

774
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: a pot of com But I mean, obviously my phone

775
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: went crazy, just like just like yours, because I was

776
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: on the half those group texts. But it's fun to

777
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: have a support system here that are rooting for me,

778
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that become new friends here in

779
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: the town. Obviously you get the old friends and the

780
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: golfers that all saw it. But the funny even backstory

781
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: behind that is that albatross actually knocked Justin Thomas out

782
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: of the playoffs because I moved up so much and

783
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: I took points away from home. A lot of people

784
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't it nor really catch media attention. But if you

785
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: do the math, if I don't finish twelfth and he

786
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: finished his twelfth with one less guy he gets enough

787
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: points to get in.

788
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: The FedEx Cup playoffs. But that's that's a little side note.

789
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Have you talked to him this? He doesn't talk to

790
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: me anymore.

791
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: So I have to bring this up. We brought up

792
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: our group. There was a discussion the other day. Are

793
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: good friend guest on the podcast here Landon Donovan is

794
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: a ten handicap. He claimed the other night that by

795
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: the end of next year, so fifteen sixteen months from now,

796
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: he will be a one point eight.

797
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: You know what, I've gotten to little Land in just

798
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: the same avenues as you have. Yes, he is. He's

799
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: the most coachable.

800
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Athlete I've ever been around. I say athlete because he

801
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: is an athlete. Yes, Like sometimes you tell people things

802
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: and I'm an athlete too, go ahead. They can't do,

803
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: and they can't implement, And his being able to retain

804
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: the information, be able to implement the information that you're

805
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to do is literally second to.

806
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: None that anybody.

807
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not an instructor that I've tried to help

808
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: or try to say things to. And he's open for succession,

809
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: which may hurt him down the road, but right now,

810
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: he's a sponge trying to retain any information. I'll tell

811
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: the story the first time I played, and he just

812
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: asked me about chipping, and he had couldn't couldn't chip,

813
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: couldn't get it on the green, And gave him a

814
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: couple of tips and like literally like three holes later,

815
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: he was able to do it.

816
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is but he was so raw.

817
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't know what he was doing was wrong,

818
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: and doing something else was easy because he didn't know

819
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: what to do to begin with. So if I had

820
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: to place a wager on that as competitive.

821
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: He is one point eight.

822
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: It's crazy to me to even think about that, but

823
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: I've if he really doesn't I think he I think

824
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: he could do it.

825
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 4: Think about the guy you're doing this, because now he's no,

826
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: he's going to listen and he's gonna think that he

827
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: can do this.

828
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about it.

829
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: He never even touched a club, I mean pretty much

830
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: never touched a club until last a year.

831
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: And he's a ten now. Yeah, but there's but he

832
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: knows how to chick. You know, he can putt he

833
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: knows how to chick because of you.

834
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: But he's also over like a four foot like some

835
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: people shake and he doesn't give a ship.

836
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: He just knocks in the back like so all right,

837
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: I say, I know, I I hear you. I think

838
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: he can do it. I most bet you go.

839
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: There's no there's no way they're going to even come

840
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: close up. I think he can do it. It's a

841
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: long shot, but I think he can do it.

842
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: All right, You're not you're not buying that, very skeptic.

843
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: Very to me, there's a there's a huge like to

844
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: be a ten is huge, yeah, but then there's a

845
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: huge jump to like a six, and then to me,

846
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: the biggest jump of all And maybe it's because I've been.

847
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: Like at the six.

848
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: To go to like a four or three, even though

849
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: that's really cool, that's a huge other because that's becomes

850
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: a you're shooting in the seventies.

851
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Every time, Yes, yes, to be a three or four

852
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: and you.

853
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Cant shoot under part regularly to even be close to

854
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: it single digit or a two with that he is

855
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's let's be honest.

856
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: He's got nothing but time, so he could do it.

857
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: You heard it here first Full Swing Getting a lot

858
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: of tension, The golf documentary from Netflix, Huge Success. I

859
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: read last night and then looked it up again this

860
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: morning to write it down. Forty two percent of the

861
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 4: people who have watched say they're watching more golf now

862
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: and because we know how the world works and where

863
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 4: money is. Thirty six percent of people say they're spending

864
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: more time looking up on social media sites.

865
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: Good for the game. Full swing way better than I anticipated.

866
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: But obviously I don't know if it could ever come

867
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: in at a better time for full swing?

868
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: Correct?

869
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: Correct, I mean, I'll use I mean Drivers Survive. I've

870
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: never watched a race car race in my life. I

871
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: started watching Drivers just five and next thing, you know,

872
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean literally this morning. I watched the rerun of

873
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: Singapore F one this morning, I mean working out a

874
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: five thirty the morning, so it does work. I started

875
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: watching F one because of it. The numbers don't lie.

876
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: It's the reason why we did it as a PGA tour.

877
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it was it was it endorsed by

878
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. Yes, it was endorsed.

879
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yeah, you had to give them access and

880
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: ability to do that.

881
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: No, as far as I know, which is mind blowing

882
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: to me, no one was paid to do it. It

883
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: was all volunteer, volunteering your time and have letting somebody.

884
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was approached, but I don't think

885
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I've ever done it. I don't want a camera in

886
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: front of my face.

887
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

888
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: I think my value can only go down if the

889
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: camera's in front of my face the whole time.

890
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: So, uh, these guys have embraced it. Obviously.

891
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: The producer is an amazing job to make portray them

892
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: in the right light. And uh, it was great to

893
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: have to live and the tour and everything else go

894
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: against each other and and just sort of see how

895
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: it was shaken out and just see personalities of guys

896
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: that you may not see on TV. I mean, I

897
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: think Joel Damon would. I mean, the whole the whole

898
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: series is great, and yeah, if you haven't watched it,

899
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: I recommend it. I don't think anything was that riveting

900
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: to someone that's inside it.

901
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: But from the.

902
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: People that I know that don't watch a ton of

903
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: golf that wash it all loved.

904
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: It well to your point.

905
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 4: Just yesterday actually on Sunday, Sahith Thagala won the event

906
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: and there was a ton of media exposure around it

907
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: because he was so engaging and his family story in

908
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: the documentary was so engaged.

909
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: I mean I thought so he.

910
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: Like was like emotional watching him in the documentary. And

911
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: now he becomes someone that maybe people root for.

912
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: He's pound for pound, the loudest gallery in all the golf.

913
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: He's got his family or families, So I mean, there's

914
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: so many people following him around, and I bet you

915
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: even more since the Netflix has come out. But he

916
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: he's awesome. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's

917
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: a great young player, and obviously he's he's a rising

918
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: star in our sport and in Netflix got it before

919
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: before he won, which is even better.

920
00:39:44,719 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, for those of you who don't know, Charlie is

921
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 6: on the board of the PGA Tour.

922
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: That kind of makes you like your own boss. I

923
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: guess all golfers are their own bosses. But what made

924
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: you want to do that?

925
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: You know what?

926
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: I'd always voice my opinion to the guys early on

927
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: in my career, I'd say, and I guess I didn't

928
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: kick myself on the button say anything wrong. And I

929
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: was approached by the staff do you want to run

930
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: to be? And it starts with like the Player Advisory

931
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: Council that sort of reports the board.

932
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: The player directors did that.

933
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: For a few years and then did staff's like, I

934
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: think we're going to nominate you for election to go

935
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: on on the board. And I actually lost once or

936
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: twice prior before getting on the board, a lot of seniority.

937
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: I'd say, I think Davis beat me out one year

938
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: and Davis Love beat.

939
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: Me out one year.

940
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: And then then I got on and I enjoyed it.

941
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: I enjoyed sort of knowing how the machine ticks and

942
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: talks and works, and that it and early on it

943
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: really wasn't not hard of a gig. I mean, we

944
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: were a pretty well oiled machine and didn't have really

945
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: any competition then and then well, and then COVID hit

946
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: and that I was rolling off and then I technically

947
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: was asked to run again and I won. So literally

948
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: during COVID, we're trying to figure out how we start

949
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: up again, what how do we play golf and entertain

950
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: during these times?

951
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: Why?

952
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: Obviously trying to stay very very safe. So I technically

953
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: have been on the board for seven straight years. A

954
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: lot of phone calls, a lot more phone calls as

955
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: of late. And I mean I was this morning, I

956
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: was up at who knows how what time and on

957
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: a phone.

958
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: Call with a tour.

959
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's been time consuming but also fun

960
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: to be a part of it, and my voice is valued

961
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: on the PGA tour and trying to make the product

962
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: better for everybody. But COVID was intense and no one

963
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: had to playbook for COVID R. I mean, so we

964
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: were making stuff up on the fly and how how

965
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: can we do this? And we and I mean we

966
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: were really the besides NASCAR. We were the first group

967
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: of people to be back on TV, back out playing

968
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: and uh and really with no stoppage to think about that, like,

969
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: it's it was pretty crazy. Obviously, I thought it stunk

970
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: playing during COVID back to those juices. You didn't play

971
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: in front of anybody, so he never got the juices going.

972
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: It was it was really really weird, uh during that time,

973
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: but we were able to put a product out there

974
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: obviously for the fans to watch, and uh, it was

975
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: probably the biggest time for all of golf was COVID

976
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: because people started playing again and then obviously we came

977
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: back on TV. Our our views are high, people are

978
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: playing golf, people are engaging in golf, and it sort

979
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: of reinvented golf, to be completely honest with you, especially

980
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: for the younger generation, and like, holy holy crap, I

981
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: can go out on golf course and spend X amount

982
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: of hours my friends. My parents won't let me play

983
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: with my friends at home, but I can go out

984
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: on golf course and play with the friends. And so

985
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: it's COVID was great for golf. And then then we

986
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: hit this other time that we're going through right now

987
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: that we're sure we don't know what. I see the

988
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: end of the light at the end of the tunnel,

989
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: but it's been a dark eighteen months to say the least, right,

990
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean.

991
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: To your point, what golf gave to so many people during.

992
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: That time who were stuck inside, stuck alone, and to

993
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 4: be able to go out safely and do something outdoors

994
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: was so important.

995
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and it's sort of it gave everybody.

996
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: I think the respect I've always loved about golf is

997
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: you were able instead of a lunch meeting and whatever,

998
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: you go play golf with your buddies and everybody. What

999
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: I love about the game of golf, you know, to

1000
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: interact with people for four and a half hours and

1001
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: play with them and be outside and then and enjoy

1002
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: someone's company without in close proximity and kept everybody safe,

1003
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: which which was amazing.

1004
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: You're a board member of the PGA Tour. You talk

1005
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 4: about the dark days of the last eighteen months with

1006
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: the Live Tour starting Live good for golf or bad

1007
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: for golf?

1008
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I think competition in anything makes the game in your

1009
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: product better. So few were to say that it has

1010
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: to make make whoever comes out on top is going

1011
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: to be stronger because of it.

1012
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 4: Do you see a way that any of and let's

1013
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 4: just talk about the sort of the bold adjustments that

1014
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 4: Live did too, specifically would be the team based format

1015
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: and the second would be three rounds, no cuts. Do

1016
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: you think that there is any scenario that that makes

1017
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: its way onto the PGA.

1018
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: Tour Three rounds no cut.

1019
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't see making it on the PGA Tour. I

1020
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: think the PGA Tour will try to implement if some

1021
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: sort of deal gets done. Even if a deal doesn't

1022
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: get done, maybe try to try to integrate some team golf.

1023
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: But it's hard.

1024
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we've run the models, we've runs. It's very

1025
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: very hard to implement because golf is such a traditional

1026
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: game and traditionally it's you against the golf course and

1027
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: people have liked our product hasn't been bad, people have

1028
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: always watched it. No, I think it'd be hard to implement,

1029
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: but I think there could be a spot for it.

1030
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: But I a full schedule, a full tour around the

1031
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: team Golf I don't think lives on.

1032
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: But that's well. See are you in support of the merger.

1033
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: I think anything to bring the golf world sort of

1034
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: back together would be a good thing, So I guess

1035
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I could expand into that with I really do think

1036
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: the piff and and Yaser want the best for the

1037
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: game of golf. And obviously there's some political issues we

1038
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: got to get through, and everybody's got to get through.

1039
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: But I think if you can grow the game of

1040
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: golf in Saudi Arabia or the Middle East to mainstream

1041
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: for them, I think it's better for the game of golf.

1042
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: If you can grow your global brand globally, then it's

1043
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 1: got to be good for the game of golf.

1044
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: You get more people playing the game of golf is good.

1045
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: It's great for everybody.

1046
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: So with that analogy, I think I think something does

1047
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: get done.

1048
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful something gets done, but it's it's far from

1049
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: even far from done, that's for sure.

1050
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: Really, So so the idea that there is that the

1051
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 4: merger has been agreed to, there's still a lot of steps.

1052
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a ton of steps.

1053
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think both both sides got to come

1054
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: off their high horse a little bit and go, all right,

1055
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: what's what's what's really the end game here?

1056
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: What are we trying to do?

1057
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: And I think I think that's what they're all trying

1058
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: to figure out now and lots more people in that room,

1059
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: and then they're hopefully persenting something to us in the

1060
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: near future so we can so we can end it

1061
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: or go on. I mean, I think it's everybody's sort

1062
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: of tired of live versus the PGA tour. Larry, Let's

1063
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: see where we end up here and hopefully figure it out.

1064
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: In my mind, my mind's not made up on that's

1065
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: going to be the deal yet, since I'll probably be

1066
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: a vote.

1067
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: In all that decisions.

1068
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: And uh, but from ten thousand feet right now, I

1069
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: think it'd probably best for the game of golf if

1070
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: something does get done.

1071
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird.

1072
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I have I'll love to tell you It's

1073
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: just such a complicated thing, right because as you mentioned

1074
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: the political ramifications. You know, as a fan, you just

1075
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: get aggravated because, as you said, it's an individual game

1076
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: and you want all of the best individuals competing against

1077
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: each other.

1078
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: Could you integrate an individual aspect and a team aspect

1079
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: sort of like what the list trying to do.

1080
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, I'm just I'm just asking a question.

1081
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if they can.

1082
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't know even if the fans want to engage

1083
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: in that. We talked about content. Could you have a

1084
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: team event back to on the first three days. Say

1085
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: you're there six days. First three days have some sort

1086
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: of team event. In the last three days you have

1087
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: an individual event. I don't Can you integrate that? I

1088
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't know those answers. It

1089
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: sounds very complex on it will say our content has

1090
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: been really good for a lot of years. Why are

1091
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: we going to try to screw with it?

1092
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: Is?

1093
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: If I step back and look at it, I think

1094
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: traditional stroke play golf has worked. Even match play match

1095
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: play golf works great, and team team events and Ryder

1096
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: Cup and Presidence Cup, but traditionally in the viewership in a

1097
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: match play event on the PGA Tour ward golf, and

1098
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: it isn't really any good because you can't forecast who's

1099
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: going to be in that last game or last match

1100
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: so you can get right. So the match plays really

1101
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: traditionally has not worked in the game.

1102
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: Of golf, right, but you but people do. I mean,

1103
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: it's funny because that was what I was just about

1104
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: to say. I mean, people do get behind the President's

1105
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: Cup and the Ryder Cup, which is a team competition.

1106
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: We're playing for countries, not just I know, not the

1107
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: high high flyers or the aces. I mean, it's just

1108
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: it's every roots for the countries or the international team.

1109
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be in America.

1110
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: That's why.

1111
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that's why it goes and and there's

1112
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: always a match and always means something like traditional match play.

1113
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: Are you like NCAA tournament.

1114
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: Every watched it because it's a great competition no matter who's

1115
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: in the final, it's always going to be great if

1116
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: it's an upset or or or high higher ranking teams.

1117
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: But it's it's just doesn't in my mind, doesn't match

1118
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: play doesn't work individually in golf, but from the when

1119
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: you're representing your country.

1120
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 2: It's it's just something different. It's always worked.

1121
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: It works in the Olympics, it works in in the

1122
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: President's Cover, works in the Ryder Cup.

1123
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1124
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, yes, if this goes, if the

1125
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: team golf lives on for X amount of years, will

1126
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: gain some traction and people will But how do you

1127
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: build that. I don't know, there's not it's just it's

1128
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: very complex.

1129
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know.

1130
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that what's good for the game

1131
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: is getting the players back together, that you get that

1132
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: you're seeing everyone competing at.

1133
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: The same venue.

1134
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean as a fan, well, we gave the golden

1135
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: ticket to the majors, let's be honest.

1136
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: Well, yes.

1137
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: That was I mean literally, the golden ticket has gone

1138
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: to every major championship. By the way, if you're not

1139
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: a golf fan, the PGA Tour or nobody owns the majors.

1140
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Besides the Majors, the PGA of America owns the PGA Championship,

1141
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: the USGA owns the US Open August, the Masters own

1142
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the Masters.

1143
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: And the RNA own the British Open.

1144
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: We get no TV revenue, we get no besides, as

1145
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: a player, we get the revenue at the purse, but

1146
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: we get no revenue sharing of any sort in any

1147
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: of those major events, the four biggest events that we

1148
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: put on, and then you throw the Ryder Cup in,

1149
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: we don't even have any part of that. We have

1150
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: part of the President's Cup, but our four or five

1151
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: biggest generating revenue sport or events we don't even get

1152
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: a piece of. And think about how strong we are

1153
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: without those, so right, I mean you talk big pictures

1154
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: like could you have an organization that all this falls

1155
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: on around one umbrella, like a FIFA or something like that. Now,

1156
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: now you could have something that's strong and sort of

1157
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: help each other out enough that I don't I don't

1158
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: think that's ever.

1159
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: Been discussed really, But it's it's back.

1160
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: To getting everybody together. That's that would that would get

1161
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: everybody together, That.

1162
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: Would get everybody, That would get everybody together.

1163
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 4: So you said starting the other tour, having competition makes

1164
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 4: everything stronger, makes total sense. Do you think that if

1165
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: a merger goes through, which it doesn't sound like you're

1166
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: sure that it will, but if if it happens, at

1167
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: some point, can guys be forgiven for leaving.

1168
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't on the on the player, so

1169
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: I think majority of it understood why they left.

1170
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean the they.

1171
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: Cashed in and the reality you can't understand why, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1172
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: you can understand why they left, definitely, and forgive them.

1173
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: I think the tone that I've heard through the players, now,

1174
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: as long as we were rewarded in some way by

1175
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: staying right, there wouldn't be that big of an issue.

1176
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: So we we got something for staying, they got something

1177
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: for leaving, and now we're.

1178
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: All coming back together and everything stronger and everything's better.

1179
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, every everybody wants to see the best players

1180
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: play against each other. I mean, is a PG Tour

1181
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: stronger with Brooks, Koepka and DJ and Bryson playing a

1182
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: PJ Tour event?

1183
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: Of course it is, right, there's But will the PJ

1184
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: Tour go on without them? Of course it will. So

1185
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: it's funny there is that.

1186
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 4: There is an interesting thing and I'm not going to

1187
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 4: mention any names. I mean, that's the great thing about golf,

1188
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: right is that everybody roots for somebody different.

1189
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: Right, But if you're a baseball fan, there are teams

1190
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: that you don't like.

1191
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, this is these are about personal feelings.

1192
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 4: But this is this is the genesis of sports. If

1193
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: you are a fan of the University of Georgia, you

1194
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: don't like Florida, Like right, there were a lot of

1195
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 4: guys who left who were considered villains like that. I mean,

1196
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 4: let's just be clear, like there were people that you

1197
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: did not root for, and again, you missed that. Even

1198
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 4: if you're not rooting for those guys at times, you

1199
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 4: miss that ye as a fan, but.

1200
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: The play the opposite idea.

1201
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Probably one of the nicest guys on tour go also

1202
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Cam Smith, Yeah, I mean one of our biggest Yeah yeah, yeah,

1203
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: but I agree with what what you're saying that, But

1204
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say those guys weren't missed. But our ratings

1205
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: haven't changed at all since that's happened.

1206
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: It really actually only gave more power to.

1207
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: The major championships because there's their venues way more intriguing.

1208
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: How that we're all playing together, which is great, I mean,

1209
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: it's great time, it's.

1210
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: It is and I'm I'm I'm glad to hear your

1211
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: support though you personally are not interested, but the support

1212
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: and you being on the board obviously, Matt, you know

1213
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 4: you had something to do with the fact that full

1214
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 4: swing happened, you know, being able to get to know guys,

1215
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: tell the story personally and tell that story. I mean,

1216
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: it's just great. And the drama is great and brings

1217
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 4: people in not to.

1218
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: Interrupt you, but interrupt you.

1219
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: But that's what I think is great about the PGA

1220
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: tour because there is downtime and we'll give Jim Nance

1221
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: maybe the best storyteller of all time has time to

1222
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: tell stories in between shots and people coming down the

1223
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: stretch while live.

1224
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: I've watched the content. I'm a fan of golf, that

1225
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: you don't have that time. There's so much going on.

1226
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: There's no now the content and there's I mean there's

1227
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: a ton of shots going on the same but you

1228
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: never have any time to tell the story. And I

1229
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: think what people like to do on a weekend and

1230
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: sort of sit there and hear about the guy. And

1231
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: I think something in our new format that we're going

1232
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: to with the signature events that we're gonna miss. And

1233
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: I've stressed this on board meetings and I'll say it publicly,

1234
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: is gonna lose that We're going to lose that storytelling

1235
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: of Thigala. At WM a couple of years ago, trying

1236
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: to beat something Brooks trying to beat somebody big coming down.

1237
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: You lose those storylines by only having the top fifty

1238
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: or seventy in the world playing against each other and

1239
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: then everybody's familiar with which.

1240
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: I think that's what the PGA Tour is all about.

1241
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: So I don't know how this is going to go.

1242
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: I've said this this morning to people, I've said it

1243
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: in the past. I don't think we got our product

1244
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: quite right yet. The new formula, well, we'll get it right,

1245
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: I promise you that. But what we're going to put

1246
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: in front of you is is going to be a

1247
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: good try. But I think we're going to miss some

1248
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: of that storytelling that has made the PJ Tour so special.

1249
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: That story part is very, very valuable to the PGA Tour.

1250
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a foundation, weird the name is the

1251
00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 4: Charlie Hoffin Foundation original, but I know you do a

1252
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 4: ton for kids, not just in San Diego but also

1253
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 4: Las Vegas as well. Tell me about why you started

1254
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: that and what you guys, what you guys have done

1255
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: to keep.

1256
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: It somewhat short.

1257
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: Back when early years on tour, Craig Staller used to

1258
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: do an event for Sandegor Junior Golf here in town.

1259
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: He used to raise a.

1260
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: Bunch of money for Sandy Juno Golf with with an

1261
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: event the week of the Farmer's Centational back then bo Convitational,

1262
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: and he'd moved on and they weren't having it anymore.

1263
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: And it was my first or second year on tour,

1264
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: and they approached me and I'm like, I'm just trying

1265
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: to keep.

1266
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: My job out here.

1267
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: You want me to raise money for Sandy or GENI

1268
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was an honor, but I'm like, how

1269
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: long can I keep this running? You got a previous

1270
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: Masters champion running the event or putting lending his time

1271
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: and effort to the event, and you've got a rookie

1272
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: on tour that really has hadn't had a ton of

1273
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: success in any any time.

1274
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: But we did the event.

1275
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: It was successful, and then we sat back at my

1276
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: wife and I sat back and go, well, how can

1277
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: we do this?

1278
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: Make this better? Let's not just focus on San Diego

1279
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: and June Golf. Let's get something.

1280
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: Not that I not indebted to San Diego Jingolten who

1281
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: became and who made me, but let's make a real difference.

1282
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: Let's come up with something that we truly do believe in,

1283
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: and someone gave us the direction of you've got to

1284
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: be focused in your in your charity effort or you

1285
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: sort of get lost.

1286
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So our.

1287
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: Mission statement is children's charities, which is still fairly vague

1288
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: but at least somewhat focused. So Strigal falls under that.

1289
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Then pro Kids Golf here in San Diego, which is

1290
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: heavily supported.

1291
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: Uh, we're sort of forced.

1292
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: First Tea was framed after and very obviously supported by

1293
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. And then cissy fibrosis is the one

1294
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: that's near and dear our heart. My brother's wife lost

1295
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: two sisters of sissifibrosis, So it's I can go on

1296
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: and on about sis fibrosis, but it's it's one that's

1297
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: close to us. Since we started X amount of years ago,

1298
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: we have seen the average age of a child i'd

1299
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: say from a teenage or the late teens with life

1300
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: expects me to people in their forties now, depending on

1301
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: what strand you have, what drugs you can have. But

1302
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: it's really changed. It's not widely supported by the government.

1303
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: That's why individual funding sort of hopefully get rid of

1304
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: this cisfibrosis. But it's something that we do truly believe,

1305
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: and so that's how it started here in San Diego.

1306
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Then I was living in Las Vegas, went to school there,

1307
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: obviously spent twenty years of my time there. So we

1308
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: started doing an event in San Diego or so sorry

1309
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Las Vegas with coinciding with the SPINERSH Hospital open.

1310
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: Very very gratifying.

1311
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: As I say, I always grew up dreaming of playing

1312
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, dreaming of being one of the

1313
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: best golfers are play. But I never dreamed, and I

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Speaker 1: still pinched myself again my chills every time I talk

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Speaker 1: about is. I never dreamed I'd be able to give

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Speaker 1: back and raise money for people that are less fortunate

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Speaker 1: than me.

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Speaker 2: And it's really I mean, golf is sort of why I'm.

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Speaker 1: Known, but hopefully my legacy is what I've done and

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Speaker 1: given back to communities in which I've lived in and

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Speaker 1: helped other people that are less fortunate than I am.

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Speaker 4: Well in that right there is is why you're a

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Speaker 4: great guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: That's really what it's all about. I wish you all

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Speaker 4: the best. I know it's a it's a difficult job.

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Speaker 4: I mean, thank god that someone is willing to do it,

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Speaker 4: being on the board of the PGA Tour during this time,

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Speaker 4: but I think they're lucky to have a leader like

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Speaker 4: you to help get us through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all here. We're trying to Obviously.

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Speaker 1: I consider myself a very an entertainer, and we all

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Speaker 1: want the best entertainers to be together performing in the

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Speaker 1: same spot. And hopefully we end up in that position.

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Speaker 1: But if it's not the best thing for our product,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to end up there. And hopefully we

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Speaker 1: get to that point for the players and everybody else

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Speaker 1: that loves the game of golf and loves watching us

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Speaker 1: entertain And I'm optimistic that we get to that point

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Speaker 1: and we put the best product forward and everybody's PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour fans for life.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Charlie. I'll see you Friday, all right.

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Speaker 4: We'll be money cash cash money, nice time. Yep, Charlie,

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Speaker 4: you can gearron Tea. I'm gonna take all that money

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Speaker 4: on Friday. You give me enough strokes. I should thank you,

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Speaker 4: buddy for coming on and for sharing your insights and

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Speaker 4: for being so candid. I appreciate that. Listeners thank you

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Speaker 4: as well. I hope you've been enjoying this string of

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Speaker 4: athletes on the show because next week we have got

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Speaker 4: yet another big name in the world of sports. Come

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Speaker 4: back to find out who, But until next time, have

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Speaker 4: a really good week. Off the Beat is hosted and

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Speaker 4: executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer

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Speaker 4: lingg Lee. Our senior producer is d Diego Tapia. Our

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Speaker 4: producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr. Our

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Speaker 4: talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern is

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Speaker 4: Ali Amir Sachem. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed

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Speaker 4: by the one and only Creed Brad