1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I go into this room. It's really funny, and Ron 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: and John are there, they're the two directors, and they're like, Okay, 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: thank you very much, and you know, you've got this 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: microphone in front of you and they're sitting on a 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: couch and it's sort of like a regular audition except 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: for the microphone. And then they're like, anytime you're ready, 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: just go ahead. And then they just bowed down their 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: heads and closed their eyes as if, you know, they 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: were praying or something like that. Like, you know, I 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: was like, what, I had no idea, Like they didn't. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: They didn't need to look at me at all. Hey, 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: it's day Donovan, and I've been around a long time. 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: You've probably seen me in something and you're probably gone, 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: what's that guy's name? Yeah, I've seen him in other things. Hello, 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: my friends, and welcome to yet another episode of Off 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: the Beat. I am your excitable host, Brian bomb Partner. 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Now today's guest, as you just heard, is the amazing 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: and very funny Tate Donovan. Now, Tate has taken on 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a huge range of roles. Everyone knows him, but I've 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: noticed that fans seem to recognize him for something different 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: depending on their age. I mean to give you a sense. 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: He worked on The O C as Jimmy Cooper, otherwise 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: known as the resident Dad facing embezzlement charges, which I 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: assure you is a thing. He also guest starred on 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: Friends for five episodes, was in Damages with Glenn Close. 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: He was an Argo good Night and good Luck Manchester 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: by the Sea, and you or your kids might even 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: recognize his voice as the title character of Disney's Hercules 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: in both the film and TV series. Tate has truly 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: done it all. So today we're gonna get into those roles, 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Tate's directing career and how he has found common in 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: a variety of genres, shows, and characters. This was such 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: a pleasure for me, So without further at you, Kate Donovan, 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak, I love it Bubble and Squeak on 35 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeaker, Cookie, every moment left over from the Nabby. 36 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: What's update, Brian? How are you? I'm great, man, I'm great. 37 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be talking to you. Oh my gosh, 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be talking to you. Thank you 39 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: so much for joining me. Here are you kidding me? 40 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a huge fan. Well, listen, I'm a 41 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: huge fan of yours as well. I'm I'm gonna be 42 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: fan boying all over you today. I wanted to start, however, 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: to go to go back before before I knew who 44 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: you were. Remarkably, you grew up in Jersey. Is this right? 45 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: You grew up in Jersey? Now at this point it 46 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: was kind of a national pastime to make fun of 47 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Jersey when you were growing up. Did you have a 48 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: complex about that or were you Oh? Yeah, I still do. 49 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I still do. I have a total complex. When everyone 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: asked me like, where are you from, I'm like, outside 51 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: of New York City. I can where, uh the New 52 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Jersey right right right across the George Washington Bridge. Yeah, 53 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: it's it's so far. I used to lie about it 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: all the time because you're right, I mean, growing up, 55 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, in the seventies, listening to Saturday Night Live, 56 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: every joke was about how he's from New Jersey, you know, Rosanne, 57 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Zanna Dana. It was just like all the idiots were 58 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: from New Jersey. It was like the cancer capital of 59 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: the world. Everybody made fun like what eggs it? Are 60 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: you from? In New Jersey? You know, like they didn't 61 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: have towns or anything just exits off the turnpike. Yeah. Yeah, 62 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm still a little I still I need a couple 63 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: more sessions with my therapist and I should be ready 64 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: to accept that I'm from the Jersey. Yeah, I but 65 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: I'm told which is again, this is this is not 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: what I would have expected that that you you never 67 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: locked your doors as a child. There It's like it 68 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: was it was it did you feel safe? Well? Yeah, 69 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: we never had a lock on our doors. Like when 70 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: my parents finally sold the house, they were like, okay, 71 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: can we have the keys? And they're like, we haven't 72 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: seen keys in a hundred and fifty years. Um, we've 73 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: never had keys. I remember one time we went away 74 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: for vacation. We used to vacation out in Long Island, 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: which is sort of like the second worst place to 76 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: be from um and like the north Shore, not the 77 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: beautiful Hamptons opposite. Yeah, we left our front door open 78 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: for two weeks. Finally, our our next door neighbor was like, hey, uh, 79 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, can I close your front door? It's been 80 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: opened for two weeks. And I'm like we're like yeah, sorry, sorry, 81 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, I never locked a 82 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: bike in my life, you never locked a bike. No, 83 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: not until I went to college. Did you ever have 84 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: a bike stolen? I guess this's then the next question. Uh, 85 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: you know yeah, um borrowed, Yeah, borrowed. Yeah, like kids 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: would take your bike, you know, and to mess with you. 87 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: But you know it's never stolen. We always got it 88 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: back and you know, yeah wow, but you know my 89 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: first bike I was stolen was in New York City 90 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: and I went up to audition and I have run 91 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: up the stairs through audition. I locked my bike. It's 92 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: like one of those kryptonite bikes, you know, like bike locks. 93 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: It was like guaranteed. And I run up to the 94 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: audition and that I find out it's not there. So 95 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: I run back down. I must have been gone thirty 96 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: five seconds and my bike was stolen. I was anyway, 97 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: New York City, different place. Yeah, that's a that's a 98 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: different place. You were the youngest of six kids. Now 99 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: did you did you feel like you needed to do 100 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: something to stand out as a child or were you 101 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: were you? Were you all fairly close and well adjusted? 102 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: Or I mean I'm asking more, when did you start performing? 103 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: And I don't mean professionally, I mean, when did you 104 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: feel like you started right? Yeah, well, um, at the 105 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: age of four, I went to see a movie with 106 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: my parents and I wanted to sit away from them. 107 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be like an adult or I 108 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: don't know, for some weird reason, I just wanted to 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: be like independent. So I sat away from them. And 110 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: it was a movie about medieval nights. I don't know 111 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: what movie it was, but it was like st and 112 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: I just looked up on that screen and I was like, 113 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what I want to do that 114 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: for a living. I want to I want to be 115 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: in a movie. And and what's interesting is that my 116 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: next thought was, Wow, if I feel this way, everybody 117 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: must feel this way, Like I must be really hard. 118 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: You can't just waltz into that, you know. But I 119 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: sort of had to keep that a secret because, um, 120 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: I would do high school plays and and stuff like 121 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: that all the time. But my parents were I came 122 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: from a crazy group of kids. Like we weren't adjust 123 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: well adjusted, let's just put it that way, Like besides murder, 124 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: we basically committed every sin you could possibly do. It 125 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: was like the sixties and seventies. It's just a crazy time. 126 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: And teenagers in my family were just nutbags. So I 127 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: was just sort of like conservative one and went into 128 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: a theater and acting. So that's shows you how crazy 129 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: my not politically conservative, but no lifestyle, lifestyle conservative. So 130 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: you're just doing high school plays. But are you at 131 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: that point, you know, you started four, you're doing high 132 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: school plays. Are you still committed, like this is what 133 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: you want to do? You were, you were an early 134 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: you decided early what you wanted to do with your life. Yeah, 135 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: I did. And and I remember hearing Meryl Street get 136 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: interviewed and she said when she was in high school, 137 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: she would pretend that she was already a professional actress 138 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: and that she would get involved in every show like 139 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: like like it was a job, like she needed the 140 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: money and and so that's what I did. I was 141 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: just like, you know, I'll take a small role here, 142 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: I do I do? I have no lines in some 143 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: play in the school musical. Uh, you know, I would 144 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: just be on stage or whatever, you know, like carry 145 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: a spear and then I'd be the lead and something 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: else I was. I was just like I wanted to 147 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: do it so badly, and I had to keep it 148 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: a complete secret. It was it was, Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, 149 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: my dad was a doctor and my mother wanted me 150 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: to be a lawyer or you know, something decent that 151 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: required an education and stuff like that, and yeah, yeah, 152 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking for them when you made the decision. Yeah, 153 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: when I told him I I was in college. I 154 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: told him I was going to a major in theater. 155 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: And my dad literally for two and a half years, 156 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: did not talk to me. Wow, he's he sent me 157 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: articles from the New York Times about either how impossible 158 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: it is to become an actor or like he'd sent 159 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: these articles on these actors who just like became stars 160 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: and never take an acting class in their life, you know, 161 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: like he just thought it was a giant waste of 162 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, education to study theater. It's like the dumbest thing, right, 163 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: And he may be right. Actually, wait, so you so 164 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: you're your New York City adjacent so you're not you're 165 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: you're not auditioning in the city. You're just doing school 166 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: plays and trying to do that and kind of pretending 167 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: to your parents have this was a hobby. And then 168 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: how do you find because USC because I actually, you know, 169 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: I applied to USC, was actually offered a scholarship, Thank 170 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: you very much. I didn't go to USC, but I 171 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: but that that was like it wasn't necessarily a conservatory 172 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: training program, but but it was a significant program. How 173 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: did you convince them if your scheme was to go 174 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: to USC and eventually get into theater, how did you 175 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: convince them to for you to even go to USC that? Well? 176 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: I got into two colleges, n y U and USC, 177 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: and I I they were sort of like, you know, 178 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: I was the last one, and they were sort of 179 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: sick and tired of dealing with kids, and they were 180 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: just like, okay, we'll do whatever you want. And I 181 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: was general you know, uh general major when I first 182 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: went there, Liberal arts or whatever. Yeah, yeah, liberal arts, 183 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: and um I did a play and I fell in 184 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: love with studying theater. I was just like, oh god, 185 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: I gotta do this. And I quietly switched my major. 186 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: And uh, my dad found out and hit the roof 187 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: and just like we got in the biggest argument. But 188 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: to his credit, I also had professors right to him 189 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: and say, hey, Tate has a chance of making it 190 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: in this business. He should he should study. And I 191 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: always thought my dad ignored all of those letters, and 192 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: but One of the more moving things was when my 193 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: dad passed away and I went through his um his desk, 194 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: I found this letter from one of my professors, John 195 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: Blanket Ship at USC, and I just dissolved, you know, 196 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: like obviously he he he listened to those letters and 197 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: he ended up paying my tuition, which you know was 198 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: a fraction of what it is now. But yeah, yeah, 199 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, so he did it. And you know, fortunately 200 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: I got work while I was going to college. I 201 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: was lucky enough to get some jobs, and so he 202 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: was like, well, maybe he'll make a living and yeah, 203 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: where did you go to school? I went to s 204 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: m U Southern Methodist University in Dallas. In Dallas, so 205 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: at the time, it was a conservatory training program and 206 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: that was sort of for me. That was what I 207 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: was I was looking for. And you know, they had 208 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know if USC was going through some 209 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: renovations at the time, but I've told this story before, 210 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: never specifically to USC graduate. But I was from Atlanta, 211 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: and so I I flew, we flew, me and my 212 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: dad we flew to California and went to USC and 213 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: went to the theater department office. I'm putting that in 214 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: quote because it was a trailer. It was it was 215 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: in a trailer, a trailer. It wasn't temporary. It was 216 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: still there. It wasn't temporary. Hit hoole, right. So I 217 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: went there and I met them, and I was like, 218 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: all right, this is Los Angeles. And actually while we 219 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: were there on that trip, I went to I still 220 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: remember going with my dad to the old Grammins Chinese Well. 221 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: We went to hard Rock Cafe, of course because we 222 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: were from Atlanta, and we thought that's what you did. 223 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: And then we went to Gramma's Chinese Theater and I 224 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: saw Goodfellas. I don't know if that was when it 225 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: was out or if it was a special showing shortly after. 226 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: I would have to look at the day, but I 227 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: know that's what I saw, a Gramins Chinese theater, and 228 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: I thought it was so cool. And then I flew 229 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: from Los Angeles to Dallas and walked into the theater 230 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: department at s m U, which was about a thirty 231 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: million dollar building with three fully functional thrust stage, a 232 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: precenium stage, black box that was fully and I was like, well, 233 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: let me see. I could go to a trailer are 234 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: or I could stay here. And that was that was 235 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: for me, a quick decision, and it was a little 236 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: closer to Atlanta, which I think probably made my folks happy. 237 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: But but but I was curious about this, knowing I 238 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: was talking to you and you going to USC So 239 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: you you did start auditioning, sort of getting into the 240 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: business while you were in school, right, Yeah, yeah, I 241 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: lucked out. There was a girl in the class ahead 242 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: of me who was doing an internship at a tiny 243 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: talent agency called Contemporary Coreman Artists. And they said, they're 244 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: They're like, are there any kids that in your school 245 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: that are you know, you think you can work? And 246 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: she was. She picked about four or five and we 247 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: all went to their crappy little offices and uh in 248 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, and they signed me. And the other intern 249 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: was a guy named David di Camillo and he, uh, 250 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: he was just out of college and I was still 251 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,359 Speaker 1: in college. And he is still my agent. Four wow, 252 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: some odd years later, I'm at gersh But I'm trying 253 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: to think, this is nine eighty three or four, So 254 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: what has it It's been forty years. Forty years, Yeah, 255 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: forty years I've had the same agent. Can you imagine 256 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: that is amazing? I know, it's incredible. I mean, I 257 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: have a similar story. I have the same manager that 258 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: I have when I moved to Los Angeles, not not 259 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: quite that long. I think I've been through seventeen agents, 260 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: just to be clear. Agents. I think probably had actually 261 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: I never went to. But yes, I um, that's that's awesome. 262 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: I love to hear that. But you were at school 263 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: and you had some people I don't know if if 264 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: they were accepted this agency, George Clooney, Grant Heslov who 265 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: now have become longtime friends. Were you classes together? Were 266 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: you in the actual the same class? Well, George wasn't. 267 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: George wasn't at SC, but Grant, Grant and I were 268 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: best friends in going to s C, and Grant one 269 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: summer did a play with George and then they became 270 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: with great friends. And then sort of like George and 271 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: I became friends through Grant. Yeah, so I'm still great 272 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: friends with Grant. I don't I don't really see George 273 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: too much, but you know, we ever get a basketball 274 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: game together, I'd love to be there. Yeah, it's crazy. 275 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: Who else who else was in my class? Uh? Forest 276 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: Whittaker was a two years older than us. Eric Stoltz 277 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: was a year older than us. Anthony Edwards was a 278 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: year older than us. Oh Ali Shedy, do you remember her, 279 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: she was a couple of years older than us. Yeah, yeah, 280 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: there's some. There was some great, great it was. It 281 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: was a great time to go there because there were 282 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: so many jobs for young kids. You know, they were 283 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: making tons of coming of age movies and television shows, 284 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: and so I really I was very, very, very very 285 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: lucky to go there at that time for sure. What 286 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: was the first role you booked outside of school? Well, 287 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: I got a I got a spear carrier at the 288 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: Lahoya Playhouse for for As You Like It. But while 289 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: I was carrying the spear for that production, I auditioned 290 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: for a movie called No Small Affair with John Cryer 291 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: and Danny Moore, and I had one line. I didn't 292 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: have a sad card, but one line, why don't you 293 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: take her to the bathroom? It was in reference it 294 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: was a bachelor party, and um it was a prostitute 295 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: or a stripper had come in and we were I 296 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: was encouraging him to take the stripper. Is this fantastic movie? 297 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: Very high class? I went from Shakespeare to why don't 298 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: you take her to the bathroom? Oh? My God, So 299 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: that was my very first SAG job. Yes, well you 300 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: you booked No Small Affair. Also Kevin Donaldson in Space Camp, 301 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Luke Sinclair in Memphis Bell. Yes, do you remember that? 302 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: I just reminded you of something? By the way, I 303 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: can't remember. I can't remember either. At some point someone 304 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: told me they saw me in something and I was 305 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: convinced I'd never done it. Um, how are how are 306 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: you balancing school? And obviously I assume working on on 307 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: your craft and theater right and beginning to book some 308 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: of these roles in in in Hollywood in quotes, it was, Um, 309 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: it was a great time because I've never been so 310 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: busy in my life, so it's sort of trained me 311 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: to like multitask. And I was for a couple of 312 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: months there. I was just like or two years. Basically, 313 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: I was just killing myself either trying to get a 314 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: job and then doing my work. And you know, SC 315 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: is great because a lot of theater schools don't let 316 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: you work while you're going to them, and like Juilliard 317 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: and Jail or whatever, you know, but SC is very 318 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: encouraging of work, which sometimes they gave me credit for it, 319 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: which was awesome. They'd give me like production credit instead 320 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: of you know, sewing buttons on costumes for you know, 321 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: like they would give me. You know, I showed a 322 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of television movie. Yeah yeah, I know, right, yeah, yeah, 323 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: I know. It's so funny. Running Crew was like you know, 324 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: doing lights for plays and stuff like that. Right. Did 325 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: you do multiple productions a year though at SC as 326 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: an actor. Yeah? That was another good thing about SC 327 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: is that they was it was it was. It was 328 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: just like constantly putting up a play somewhere, you know, 329 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: like a whether it's experimental play or a classic or 330 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: Elizabethan you know, like plays that you never hear of 331 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: or never produced, but you know, we're just doing them 332 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and everyone is. You know. It wasn't like when I 333 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: was in college. I got the I think I got 334 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: one lead the entire four years in college. You know, 335 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: it's just like you're just sort of doing everything you 336 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: can and you're playing an eighty nine year old or 337 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: you're playing you know, an infanter, you know what I mean. 338 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: It's just sort of like crazy, just working hard every 339 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: weekend out late, breaking down sets, and you know, it's fantastic. 340 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: It was really kind of kind of a group. I'm 341 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: so happy I had that experience, you know, just sort 342 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: of push yourself as far as you could. And yeah, 343 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: it's funny how you look back and a lot of 344 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: those people aren't working in the business or but you 345 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: would never know, like you never know who's gonna make it, 346 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: or who's gonna who's going to be an actor, who's 347 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: gonna end up winning an Academy Award for you know, producing. Uh, 348 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy, it's crazy. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, 349 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: it just occurred to me. I think for myself it 350 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: was always about theater for me initially, like that's really 351 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: what and it sounds like for you it was really 352 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: about about the experience of being an actor. And like 353 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 1: you talked about having sort of this epiphany even at 354 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: age four watching the screen, being like that's what I 355 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: want to do. It's it's I don't know. It's just 356 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: kind of striking me right now. And the fact that 357 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: you started to have experiences in film and television, you know, 358 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: even while you were in school that you know, in 359 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: a large way becomes part of your training to right 360 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: and how important, how important that is. I've talked to 361 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people on the podcast about about just 362 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: that like experience in front of a camera on a set, 363 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: how important that is, right, Yeah, I mean it's just 364 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: a there's no replacement, there's no class, there's no teacher, 365 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: there's nothing that can prepare you for the you know, 366 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: waiting around for hours and hours and hours and then 367 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: getting to go right before lunch and you've got your 368 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: two lines that you've you know, this pressure and everybody 369 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: wants to go to lunch and they're just fucking miserable. 370 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: They don't know who you are, and you're looking to 371 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: the director for some help and he doesn't give a 372 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: ship about about you and your motivations and actors coming 373 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: from and yeah, yeah, I know, it's just so funny. 374 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, just the attitude of the crew, which 375 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: is like, hey, man, I'm doing my job, you do yours, 376 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: Let's get out of here. You know, you're sort of 377 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: fun a response. And you know when you come from 378 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: theater school, I'm sure you had this experience where so 379 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: intense emotionally and get really close to everybody and the 380 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: director is really there to help you and discuss all 381 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: the ramifications and we need to do a fucking television job. 382 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: It's like nobody gives a ship. You're just like, collect 383 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: the paycheck, Pal, and let's get out of here. Yeah, no, 384 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: I hear you. It's it's a It is a crazy thing. 385 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 1: It's like that right before lunch or that like end 386 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: of the day, the end of the day, and you 387 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: know they're already on a triple overtime. You're at our 388 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 1: fifteen and now you're expected to deliver and you've been 389 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: sitting around for fifteen hours not doing it, thinking about 390 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: your line, and suddenly they're like, stand here, here's the 391 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: camera there and go and you're like, what's my line again? 392 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Where where am i? Yea? Or how about how about 393 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: when um there's the whole process of like shooting the 394 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: mass stir and then shooting the wide and then coming 395 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: around on the all the other actors, and then finally 396 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: five hours later the cameras on you and you have 397 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: no idea now what the scene what You're just like 398 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: a robot and you're not feeling anything, and you're just like, oh, 399 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: it's so. You know. What's interesting to me is that, Okay, 400 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: I've been doing it for forty years, right, and I 401 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: still no matter. I just thought by after forty years 402 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: I would be more confident or more like relaxed, and 403 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: I know the deal, but there's always something. I'm sure 404 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: you find this too, Like, isn't there always something that 405 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: trips you up and that you're like, oh ship, I 406 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: didn't expect that. Oh Christ, I don't know what I'm doing? 407 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Who am I? What am I saying? What? You know? Like? 408 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing to me how you never get it? 409 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You never at least I 410 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: don't know. But Tate, I have, I have talked about this, 411 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: and I I apologize. I everybody as listening has heard 412 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: me say this, but you know, it's kind of like 413 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying it in a slightly different way. It says though, 414 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: if you're a if you're a I don't know, a 415 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: stockbroker or an accountant or a lawyer or something, and 416 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: imagine every week going to a different office to do 417 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: your job, like you know how to crunch these numbers. 418 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: But as I have said, when you show up as 419 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: a guest star on a show, you literally don't know 420 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: where the bathroom is and you're confronted by a hundred 421 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: and twenty people who all know each other, and you 422 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: don't know anyone's name, and everyone's introducing themselves a mile 423 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: a minute, and you're like, I don't know, where's the 424 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: sound guy again? And then if I can find him 425 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: for my mike, what's his name? I forgot and it's 426 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: it's it's Yeah. It's all set up for failure in 427 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: that way, like there's a again every if it's a Friday, 428 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: everybody has been working for sixty hours Monday through Thursday, 429 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: and now you show up. No one's thinking like, oh, 430 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: let's let's give the new guy a break right there, 431 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: Like no, we're a well oiled machine. You get you 432 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: get in there and grind away and let's keep going. Now. 433 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: It's very right. It actually gives me makes me feel 434 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: good that you still feel it after four years. Yeah, yeah, 435 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know, isn't it interesting, Like like I imagine 436 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: when you worked on the office, Now that is like 437 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: one of the great jobs of all time, right, I mean, 438 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: you're working with people who are at the top level. 439 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: The writing everything from from a viewer's point of view 440 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: is like the best television can be. And you know, 441 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: like I imagine for you because it's happened to me 442 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: a couple of times when I've been involved with amazing people. 443 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: You're sort of so used to just like getting through 444 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: and surviving and just like you know, dealing with kind 445 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: of crappy material that all of a sudden you're like, 446 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: oh wow, I can take my time. Oh wow, like 447 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: they do want me to put my two cents in 448 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: or like what I say matters, or I'm dealing with 449 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: really complicated material and and it's got you know, and 450 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: there's real humor here, Like I don't know, it's like 451 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: then you have to make the lead to greatness, you know, 452 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Like it's interesting. I don't know, I'm be curious that 453 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: what your experience was getting that job and and then 454 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: working with such great, amazing people. Yeah, I mean I think, Look, 455 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: I think that the hugely unique thing that that of course, 456 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: it's very obvious when you think about it, is you know, 457 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: you've been in shows with varying degrees of being the 458 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: lead or not the lead. And you know, typically on 459 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: television shows, you have the number one on the call 460 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: sheet who's there for twelve to fourteen hours a day, 461 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: and everybody else comes in a day or two and 462 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: you do your scenes and and you move on. You know, 463 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: for us, we were all there all the time, so 464 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: that was a wholly unique situation where because the cameras 465 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: moving around, because we are all essentially you know, a 466 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: part of every single scene, whether it's a look or 467 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: you know anything, we were all there. So that time, 468 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: that consistent time of us all being together brought something 469 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: totally different. And I think that while we did, you know, 470 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: the joke was I don't know if this was totally 471 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: true by the end. You know, usually it takes an 472 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: hour for a lighting set up and then you you 473 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: shoot the scene in fifteen minutes. Right on our show, 474 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: typically it was the reverse, and and that that you're 475 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: very astute to point that out. I mean, you know, 476 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: the lighting was not a big deal. Let's just roll 477 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: the cameras and and and play, which I think give 478 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, gave up. We were the ones who were 479 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: there a lot of confidence. But you know, I talked 480 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: to Amy Ryan on the podcast. You know, Oscar Nominee 481 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: could not be a more fantastic actress who talked about 482 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: walking into that room for the first time to be 483 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: on the show and feeling incredibly uncomfortable and nervous because 484 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: of that time we were all there. Everybody, everybody's ass 485 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: had warned up you know, a dent, accustomed dent in 486 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: the seats right like there was there was, there was 487 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: nothing fake. We had all just sort of been there 488 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think I think that made it 489 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: different for for people in another way. But yeah, the 490 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: freedom to play, and particularly the freedom to play with 491 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: great material, you know, was it was Yeah, that was 492 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: a gift for sure. Yeah, to be on a great team. Yeah, 493 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: your first leading role came alongside Sandra Bullock in Love 494 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: Potion Number nine. How did that come about? It was 495 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: that a continuation of momentum or was that, you know, 496 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: an audition situation that that just became that just went 497 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: really well. That was just an audition that went really well. Yeah. 498 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: I was in New York and uh, I just took 499 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: the train into. I was out in Long Island and 500 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: I took the train in and and it was really funny. 501 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: I did the audition and I left and I was 502 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: walking down I don't know if it was like twenty 503 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: three Street or something like that, and I had just 504 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: read that people who hear their name in every sound 505 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: it's a sign of narcissism, you know, like a serious narcissism. 506 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: You're like, you think everyone's talking to you or whatever, 507 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: or like a car horn and you hear your name. 508 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: So I kept hearing my name, but I kept what 509 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: I was like, don't be a narcissist. State come on, 510 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: she used to keep going and nobody's calling you, And 511 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: sure enough it was the director leaning down, like six 512 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: flights down going day. Finally looked up and he's like, 513 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: come on, come back up. So I went back up 514 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: and I redid the scene, and uh it was hilarious. Yeah, Dale, donor, 515 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: iill never forget, like, you know, thinking that, you know, 516 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: like I'm a narcissist that in fact, it was the 517 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: one time that I wasn't a narcissist. It was true. 518 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: What was that like? Having that first experiences as being 519 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: a leading man on film? It was great. I mean, 520 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: you know I like to work, right, I mean, you 521 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: and I both like to work, So being asked to 522 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: come to work every day it's fantastic, you know. I mean, 523 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: you just get these great relationships. And you know, Sandy 524 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: is like one of the great human beings to work with. 525 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean, she is so generous and so she's so 526 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: concerned about the extra is about craft service. She's so 527 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: concerned about everyone else on the set, and I haven't 528 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: worked with her since, but I hear she's still the 529 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: same way that you know, she's you know, she fights 530 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: for you know, if if she sees somebody being mistreated 531 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: on the set, she stops everything, and you know, uh, 532 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: and that that's the way she was in nineteen eighty nine. 533 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: I think we shot that yeah, so but yeah, yeah, 534 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: it was. I mean, you know, none of us knew, 535 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, that she was going to be such a 536 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: huge star. I mean she was great, and she was gorgeous. 537 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: She's so beautiful, and she acted like a woman who 538 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: never was told that she was beautiful her whole you 539 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. She she has this sort of 540 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: very humble way of like she doesn't act like a 541 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: gorgeous woman at all. She acts like a kind of 542 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: the ugly duckling best friend kind of you know role. 543 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: But I think that's why, you know, she's so appealing 544 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: as an actress. Yeah, no, she's fantastic. And my co 545 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: worker Oscar Nuoni has has had the opportunity to work 546 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: with her a couple of times and says equally nice, 547 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: uh and generous things about her. I do want to 548 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: go in a in a slightly different direction briefly, because 549 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: I have from the beginning of time, I never would 550 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: have thought this. From the beginning of moving to Los Angeles, 551 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: you're sort of told it's really, really difficult to be 552 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: an actor and to get roles. It's twenty five times 553 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: more difficult to be a voice actor in Hollywood because 554 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: you're not seeing and there's no exclusivity and casting voice 555 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: casting directors and directors of voice work. They want to 556 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: work with the same people who they know they can 557 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: get in in an hour and get their job done. 558 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: You began voicing quite a long time ago, now, Greek 559 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: demigod Hercules. You did the Disney film, you did the 560 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: animated You've done you know, my friend Cary Peyton, I 561 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: talked to him about his He's been doing teen Titans 562 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: in one way or another for I think over twenty 563 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: years now. How did how did you get into that? 564 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: And and and do you do you enjoy that work 565 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 1: of creating a character through just your voice? Uh? Yeah, 566 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, who doesn't. But um And that's where 567 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: the my theater training really came in Handy was just 568 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: relying on your voice. But you know, I got Hercules 569 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: just the old fashioned way. I'll never forget walking into 570 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: that because Aladdin had just been a huge hit, and 571 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: so suddenly everybody kind of thought, you know, voice acting 572 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: was like no, no stars did voice acting, and they 573 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: didn't do animation. They just let other actors do that. 574 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: But Robin Williams was the first guy to be like, 575 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: I'm star, I'm gonna do this amazing job. And it 576 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: like everybody in the world like suddenly wanted to to 577 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: do a voice actor for Disney. And I remember walking 578 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: into that audition and just being so bummed out because 579 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: in the waiting room was Key for Sutherland, Rob Low, 580 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: all these huge stars at the time, and I I, 581 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't I hadn't actually worked in the 582 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: year before I got Hercules, I earned fifteen thousand dollars. Uh. 583 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: For the whole year, I I could not get a job, 584 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: and I was just like, God, damn, I'm never gonna 585 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: get this, I mean, you know whatever. So I go 586 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: into this room. It's really funny, and Ron and John 587 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: are there, they're the two directors, and they're like, Okay, 588 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: thank you very much, and you know, you've got this 589 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: microphone in front of you, and they're sitting on a 590 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: couch and it's sort of like a regular audition except 591 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: for the microphone. And then they're like, anytime you're ready, 592 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: just go ahead. And then they just bowed down their 593 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: heads and closed their eyes as if, you know, they 594 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: were praying or something like that. Like you know, I 595 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: was like, what, I had no idea, Like they didn't 596 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: they didn't need to look at me at all, Like 597 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: it's funny. But so I was just like taking it back, 598 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: and I thought they were gonna like lead in prayer 599 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: something like that, you know, like it was like Disney 600 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's a really Christian organization, you know. So I 601 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: waited and they sort of like we're you know, had 602 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: their heads down and eyes closed, and then they sort 603 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: of looked up and they're like anytime you're ready, and 604 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry. Yeah, so 605 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: that's how it started. And yeah, I mean that was 606 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: just a gift, that job that was just so much 607 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: fun and working with people who had you know, when 608 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: you worked with Disney Animation, you were working with animators 609 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: that had been doing their job for like thirty years, 610 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, like when we're working on television shows, you know, 611 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: the guys just became a prop guy, you know, like 612 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: six months ago on his first show. This is is 613 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Everyone's very you know, they're 614 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: young and they're just getting into things, and but these 615 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: guys were like masters, and they had been doing it 616 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: for deck aids and uh, it was really um it 617 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: was an honor for sure. I knew then. I was like, wow, 618 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: this is really special, man, you know, this is this 619 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: is really cool. Did you know when you left the room. 620 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: Did you know when you left the room that you 621 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: had that you No, no, no, they just lifted their 622 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: heads and said thank you. Oh yeah yeah, They're like 623 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 1: thank you, Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean 624 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I very rarely know, do you do 625 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: You have you had that experience a lot where you're like, 626 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: I got this yeah, yeah, no, And I'm being I'm 627 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: being I'm saying it. I'm saying it now. I have 628 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: been I have been wrong as well. But no, I know, 629 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, maybe part of it is, and certainly 630 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: you do comedy. We'll talk about that in a second. 631 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: But I think I've been so heavily, heavily in the 632 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: in the in the comedy world. I think that there's 633 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: more there's more sort of in the room feedback. Yeah, 634 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: but the laughter, yeah, the left yeah, and you can 635 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: you can just I don't know. I just I feel 636 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: like I can kind of feel it. I mean, it 637 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: doesn't always go my way, but when I leave, I 638 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: I oftentimes know, yeah, they're not interested in me, or 639 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: yeah I think I'm in the mix, or or this 640 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: is yeah, this is this is definitely know when they're 641 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: not interested. That is, you do it one time and 642 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: they're like, thank you for coming in in a bland 643 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: voice and you're like, yeah, you know what I get, 644 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: I get a lot is um, you're a very good actor. 645 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: Then I'm like, ah, I'm screwed, you know, because like 646 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: if they're if they're complimenting you as an actor, they're 647 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: just trying to make you feel better that you've definitely 648 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: not gotten this role. Right. Let me ask you this. 649 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to anybody about this before, but I mean, 650 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: you've done such a diverse range of projects. When you 651 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: are given a script and you're not offered it, you 652 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: you you need to go in an audition and you know, 653 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: for one reason or another that you are not going 654 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: to to get it, not because not because you aren't 655 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: right for it. But does that happen, like I don't 656 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: even know exactly. Do you go in or do you 657 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: just say no, Yes, I go in because my agent, 658 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: David d says, don't turn down offers, don't turn down auditions, 659 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: and I fought against that for years. But I go 660 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: in anyway, because once I started directing, I realized you 661 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: should always go in because actors don't know necessarily what 662 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: they bring to something. And even though on the page 663 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: it's like totally not you. The director maybe looking for 664 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: something that isn't on the page, you know, he's like, 665 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I want to go to the opposite way. 666 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: So so always go in, Always put it, you know, 667 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: going for the audition. At least I do, even though 668 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: it's difficult to audition and a lot of work and 669 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: you know you're going to get a lot of rejection, 670 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, that's interesting. I think that's great 671 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: advice because you never know, you never know, you know, 672 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: you never know. Around this time you start doing some 673 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: guest star roles, we talked about how difficult it is 674 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: on on a few very very high profile shows, first 675 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: Ally McBeal with Calista Flockhart and then of course on Friends, 676 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: you appear in several episodes of season four. You're at 677 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: this point, Friends is a gigantic hit. I mean, this 678 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: is this is the biggest show on television, and you 679 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: have that opportunity to talk to me a little bit 680 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: about your process of of going in and being cast 681 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: on on Friends. Well, Friends was interesting because I I 682 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: had done a sitcom with two writers that had left 683 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: Friends and with John Cryer called Partners, which was a 684 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of fun, but it got canned after one year. 685 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,479 Speaker 1: But while while I was doing it, the writers were like, 686 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: do you know Jennifer Aniston? And I'm like, yeah, she's 687 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: on Friends. You know, yeah, yeah, I know her, Rachel, 688 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: And they're like, you should you she's single and you're single. 689 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: You guys should meet. So we went out on a 690 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: date and we hit it off and we ended up 691 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: dating for I don't know, gosh two or three years, 692 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: and um, you know. So I would go to the 693 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: Friends set all the time. Uh, you know, I was 694 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: there every taping and that was so much fun to 695 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: watch watch those guys go. I mean, they were like, 696 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: they were such an amazing team, and to be behind 697 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: the scenes and see them work, Uh, was just so 698 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: much fun. And I knew some of the directors, and 699 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: I knew the a d and it was just like 700 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: a family. It was so much fun. Every Friday we'd 701 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: go up there and I'd go and watch the taping 702 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: and it was a blast. So Jen and I are 703 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: are breaking up, and literally like two days after, nobody 704 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: knew that we were breaking up. Two days after the 705 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: breaking up to it's a process to break to break up, 706 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: you're going through. Well, we were living together, we were 707 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: living together, and I decided I was gonna move out, 708 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: So I moved out and I found a new place, 709 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was heartbreaking and awful 710 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: and miserable, but no one knew. They all thought we 711 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: were still living together and still dating, and but it 712 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,919 Speaker 1: was sort of kept it close to the vest. And um, 713 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: the producers called me and they're like, you know, we 714 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: would love to have you on the show for like 715 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 1: a five episode arc. And I was like, oh god, 716 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: this is And then I thought, mistakenly, I thought, well, 717 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: maybe this will if we work together, maybe it'll sort 718 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: of ease the breakup, Like we'll still to get to 719 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: see each other and we'll, you know, maybe this would 720 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: be a good thing. To to work together, and I 721 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: was I was totally wrong. It was cool, It was 722 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: very it was very It was very difficult to uh 723 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: to work and be like, you know, in a comedic 724 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: scene with somebody who you're breaking up with. This you know, 725 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: it's pretty tough. But you know, at the end of it, 726 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: I realized, hey, I'm I'm a pro. You know. Once again, 727 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: my therapist really helped me get through that, and he's like, dude, 728 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: you're a pro if you can, if you can still 729 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 1: do your job with a woman who's you know, your 730 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: heart is breaking. So that's good that I was. I 731 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: did not specifically know the ins and outs of the 732 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: or the timing of that situation. That sounds really difficult. 733 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,720 Speaker 1: That sounds really but yeah, it's funny. Most people are like, um, 734 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: I think that we met there, like if they know 735 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: that we're dated for a period of time, they think 736 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: that we met there, but in fact we we sort 737 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: of ended it there. Wow. Well, well that it must 738 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: have been easier for you, you you know, in a sense 739 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: working on this mega hit showed they you were sort 740 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: of familiar at least that part would be very difficult, 741 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: but you were sort of familiar with the surroundings and 742 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: knew everybody else sort of involved. I'm sure Jimmy Burrows 743 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: and and you know everyone else. Yeah. Yeah, And the 744 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: cast was so sweet to me. They were they were 745 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: so great because they kind of knew they found out 746 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: and they were awesome to me. I mean those guys, 747 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: every single one of them were incredibly supportive. Yeah for sure. 748 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: I Uh, I first became really familiar with you. I 749 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: don't think we met at this time, but I had 750 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: a young friend who had who had started the business, 751 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: Chris Carmack, who was on The o C. And you 752 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: play what you have described as TV's worst dad ever. Uh, 753 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Cooper on the o C. Give me 754 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: three words to describe Jimmy Cooper. Let's see, Uh, mildly corrupt. 755 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: I guess that's two, but okay, that's fine. That counts 756 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: is one negligent father and affable, like he's like one 757 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: of these kind of crazy characters who's like super nice guy, 758 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: great guy, but just was a negligent father and kind 759 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: of you know, didn't mind bilking his customers and being 760 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: sort of like a horribly corrupt financially because he was 761 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: a nice guy. He was like, you know, yeah, it's 762 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: it's a very interesting character to play, you know, it's 763 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: it's funny. And and the producers had no idea that 764 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: he was a terrible father. That was the interesting thing. 765 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: That's when I heard Stephanie Savage. They didn't. Yeah, yeah, 766 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: they didn't. And and years years later, there was an 767 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: article in like People magazine or US Weekly or something 768 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: like that, and it said the five worst fathers on 769 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: televisi and I was one of them. I was like 770 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: number two. And I find I sent it to them 771 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: and I'm like, do you guys see what you're what 772 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: I've been saying? And really, I think Jimmy's great. That's 773 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: crazy because he's affable. I guess that's why. Yeah, yeah, 774 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: because he's nice. He's a funny guy. He's a good guy. 775 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: He's not a bad dad. I guess they didn't. They 776 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,720 Speaker 1: didn't have kids at the time, so they didn't realize 777 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: that being holy negligent and saying to your daughter, I've 778 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: got to go to Hawaii to be a better father. 779 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: It's one of the most ridiculous lines in television history. Uh. 780 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: I think about that often now. I don't think I've 781 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: ever said anything like this on the show. But I do. 782 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: I do have a running joke about shows where there 783 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: are adult characters with children. That's sometimes for four or 784 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: five episodes at the time, the children mysteriously disappear. They don't, 785 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: you're not, you're not. We're not focused on the children. 786 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: And so I guess they thinking is we just forgot 787 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: they had them for a little while. But if you 788 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: have kids, you know, it's an omnipresent part. Whether you're 789 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 1: negligent or not, they're still in your on your mind 790 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: or you got to pick them up from softball or something. Right, 791 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: it's like twenty four hour thing. Like if you have 792 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: a kid, it's just like forget. Your whole life's changed everything, 793 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: like no matter what, And uh, you're right. I know. 794 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: It's funny how these characters on television could just be 795 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,720 Speaker 1: like they just appear. And I figured they just appear 796 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: every once in a while, the kids because they're under 797 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: eighteen and they can't take ours, you know or not. 798 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,240 Speaker 1: The kids I know, and the tutors and the stuff. 799 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: So how is this for you? You know, you you 800 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: talked earlier about it being a good time for you 801 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 1: when you started at USC because they were looking at 802 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: a lot of coming of age stories and young actors. 803 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: So now suddenly you're a dad, and by the way, 804 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: you're a very young father to the age of these children. 805 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: Let's be clear about that at this time. But how 806 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: is that, how is that shift for you, um to 807 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: now become become the grown up? Well, I mean, now 808 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 1: I've been a grown up for a long time, I know, 809 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean beginning to get those roles as 810 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 1: like now you're the Now you're the dad, You're no 811 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 1: longer the young Now now I'm the grandfather. Well so 812 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I'm my grandfather now. Yeah, I 813 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: mean it's uh, you know, I had a kid very 814 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: late in life. I sort of wish I could go 815 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: back to some of those early father roles and sort 816 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: of like change the moment. I didn't have kids when 817 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 1: I was doing doing the o C. But my sister 818 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: had three kids and she'd call me up every week 819 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: and just say, what are you doing? You're the worst dad. 820 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you got to talk to those people. 821 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I mean I think I would like to. 822 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to revisit some of those roles for sure, 823 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: because you know, as you know, it's sort of like 824 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: everything changes when you're when you have kids. It's uh, yeah, 825 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: that's great. The o C. It's where you started directing. 826 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: What was this? Was this something you always knew that 827 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: you wanted to do or or did the opportunity just 828 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: present itself once you were on that show? Because I 829 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: and by the way, so full disclosure, I started directing 830 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,439 Speaker 1: on the Office as well. That was my directoral debut. 831 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: So I understand once you're in and you get to 832 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: know producers and they sort of see you have an 833 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,839 Speaker 1: eye for something, It's it's much easier than to just, 834 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, go to the network and try to get 835 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: them to hire you want to show You're not on. 836 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: But was that something you always wanted to do or 837 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,399 Speaker 1: did the opportunity present itself and you thought it might 838 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,319 Speaker 1: be fun? Yeah? No, I was. I was always the 839 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: kind of actor that hung out by the monitors and 840 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: got to know directors and the crew, and you know, 841 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't hang out at my trailer. I'm 842 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: not I'm not a I don't really have much of 843 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: an other life when I'm at work. I'm just sort 844 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: of there and you know, like hanging out of craft service, 845 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 1: you know, like chatting people up. Um, so I was 846 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: very interested in and the part, you know, Jimmy Cooper 847 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,479 Speaker 1: was kind of a small part, and I didn't really 848 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: work enough for for for my taste, you know, one 849 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 1: or two days a week, and I was like, God, 850 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 1: this is boring. I want to do something. So I 851 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: started shadowing and I was shocked. You know, it's so 852 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: much fun. I mean, I was so excited. I was 853 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: there for first rehearsal, all the the all the location 854 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: scouts and the casting meetings and the tone meeting. I 855 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 1: don't remember the tone meeting like your first tone meeting. 856 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that is the most exciting meeting I've ever 857 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 1: been to. I mean, for for those of you who 858 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: don't know what a tone meeting is, it's when the 859 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: producer and writer of the episode sits down with the 860 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: director and goes seen by scene like, Hey, this is 861 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,400 Speaker 1: what we're doing with this character, this is what we 862 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: need here. Uh, this character is heading in this direction, 863 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: that character is heading in the other direction. And you 864 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: get the inside scoop and they're like, okay, so this actor, 865 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: he's a real pain in the ass and he's not 866 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: going to know his line. So you have to do 867 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: this or whatever. You know, you get, you get your 868 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: and you're shocked. It's sort of like listening to your 869 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: parents talk about your siblings, you know, listening to the 870 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: door of their bedroom. You know, you're just like, I 871 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: can't believe they know that. You know, Jimmy smokes pot. 872 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 1: You know, we know he smokes pot. You know, it's like, oh, Ship. 873 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 1: So I just was fully enamored. And I'll always love 874 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: of the people of the OC for giving me a 875 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: shot at directing, because it was so exciting and it 876 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 1: made me sort of fall in love with acting all 877 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: over again. I don't know if you had that experience. 878 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,879 Speaker 1: Did you have that experience where you know, you're sort 879 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: of like acting schmack ing and then you direct and 880 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, actors they're so important. I mean, 881 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 1: you have a great actor, you can just take it easy. 882 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: As a director, you're just like I just put the 883 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: camera on or from you know, and when you don't 884 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,400 Speaker 1: have a good actor, you're like, oh, Ship, what are 885 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: we gonna do here? You know, you gotta like a 886 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,880 Speaker 1: massage it with the camera, and you know, I don't know, 887 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: I just fell in love with acting again. How what 888 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 1: was your experience. Yeah, I mean again, I think I 889 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: mean you're one. You're so right about the tone meeting, 890 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: and you become aware of what everyone is aware of 891 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,760 Speaker 1: that maybe you think you're the only one that sees 892 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 1: it it or that it's you know, something that's not spoken. 893 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: You know, for us on the office specifically, you know 894 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,839 Speaker 1: there was because, as I discussed earlier, we were all 895 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: there all the time, and because I like you, it 896 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: appears enjoy the process. It's not like I went and 897 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: hid in my trailer like I was watching if I 898 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,840 Speaker 1: wasn't on set for a brief period of time. And 899 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: so there was there were no real surprises in that regard. 900 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,400 Speaker 1: There were some there were some tips to achieve maybe 901 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: certain things that that we would need to get for 902 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: that specific episode. You know, we had the DP and 903 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 1: one other camera person who had been there forever, and 904 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: that felt like I was going to be heavily covered. 905 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: I think for me, the thing on the Office that 906 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,640 Speaker 1: was the most fun and required the most time was 907 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: every single scene there was a discussion about how to 908 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: what degree the camera was present or not, and the 909 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: awareness of the camera for all of the characters there, 910 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,400 Speaker 1: and that I loved. I mean being a part of 911 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,320 Speaker 1: those conversations, and specifically that episode that that I directed. 912 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: There was there was a potential of flirtation with Jim 913 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,720 Speaker 1: with another character and to what degree do we pass 914 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 1: the line of people getting mad at us because of 915 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: Jim and Pam and anyway that kind of stuff was 916 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,520 Speaker 1: was was really fun for me and and being able to, yeah, 917 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: to work with other actors. I mean, I had done 918 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 1: quite a bit of directing but in theater before that. 919 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: But I loved it. And it sounds like you as 920 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,280 Speaker 1: you said, you really did. You went on to direct, 921 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean a ton of shows, a few Niptuck, Weeds, 922 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: Gossip Girl, Glee. Do you you said it made you 923 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: fall in love with acting again? Do you do you 924 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: now prefer acting or or directing? Well? I kind of 925 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: love them both, you know, I mean, directing is uh. 926 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I just hope and pray I 927 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: get to do both for the rest of my days. 928 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 1: But you know, directing is so much more work, but 929 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: you get to use so much more of your brain. 930 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 1: I mean, to go in an editing room, I mean 931 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: that is so exciting and fun and just being on 932 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: set and I don't know, I mean, I just I 933 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,239 Speaker 1: just love it. And but also acting is great. I 934 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: mean you're generally paid better, and um, you have such 935 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 1: an easier life. I mean really all you have to 936 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 1: do is memorize your lines and uh, you know, have 937 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 1: a couple of ideas about what you want to do, 938 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: and it's definitely an easier life. You know, you're there 939 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours and you take off, and 940 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: everybody treats you so nicely when you're an actor. Have 941 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: you noticed that? But then you know, like when you're 942 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: a guest director, like they care less about you, just 943 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:28,479 Speaker 1: like you're on your own. Man. It's hilarious, It's really funny. 944 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 1: I loved Damages. I was a huge fan of Damages. Obviously, 945 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: Glenn Close, someone who I had worked with very peripherally 946 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: many years before, who I think is just a genius. Jakavonik. Oh, yeah, 947 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: I just I loved him so much. And I understand 948 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: you're working on that. You directed some episodes there. You 949 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: learned a lot about directing from Glenn Close, I understand. 950 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about that. Well, yeah, that's 951 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,200 Speaker 1: a classic classic story. Well, basically, I was directing my 952 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,439 Speaker 1: first episode and there were a couple of days where 953 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: Glenn wasn't on the set. So the first three days 954 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 1: or first two days were without Glenn and things were 955 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: going well, but everyone was sort of like, you know, 956 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,280 Speaker 1: Glenn does not She's brilliant and she's the smartest person 957 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: on the set, including the directors and producers. She's just 958 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: like has a nose in an instinct that is just 959 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:39,600 Speaker 1: powerful and she really tracks everything. Um So, everyone was like, 960 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,640 Speaker 1: how it's gonna be with Glenn when Glenn gets on 961 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,440 Speaker 1: the set, Let's see how you do. You know, you're 962 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,479 Speaker 1: doing fine now, but trust me, when number one gets 963 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: on the set. Um So, I was you know, it 964 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: was my first episode, so you know, when you're when 965 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: you're just starting out, you've got so many ideas you've 966 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: been thinking about it. So Junior so ampt, you know. 967 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 1: And and so we sit down for rehearsal and it's 968 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: in this nail salon kind of scene with with Rose, 969 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: and I am just so excited and I'm like, so 970 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna put the camera here, and so you're gonna 971 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: be sitting there and Rose is gonna be there, and 972 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 1: and we're gonna put the camera here and then we're 973 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: gonna move it and then down, and she goes shut up, 974 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,000 Speaker 1: shut up, shut up, in front of the whole set, 975 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: and she just lays into me, and I am like 976 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 1: completely humiliated and like shut down, and I slink back 977 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: to my director's chair in front of the monitors and 978 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like action, you know, I'm totally petrified I've 979 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: ruined everything. And then she proceeds to give me a 980 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: performance that is nothing I even thought of. And I 981 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: didn't need to explain anything to her or move the 982 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: camera or do anything. I just need to turn the 983 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: camera on and off. And like, she gave me more 984 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: than I could have possibly imagined. And so we we 985 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: finished out the day, and you know, my feelings were hurt, 986 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: but you know, I suck it up. And she came 987 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: to me a couple of days later and she's like, listen, 988 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I yelled at you in front of everybody. 989 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,400 Speaker 1: But I just feel like when actors direct, they talk 990 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 1: too much, and you have to trust your actors. You know, 991 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: they don't trust they're actors as much, and and that 992 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: is such an important lesson to learn, especially if you're 993 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 1: an actor. I mean, I don't know if you found that, 994 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 1: but because you want to do it, for them, you 995 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and you have to let them 996 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,520 Speaker 1: do it. And uh, it's it's a you know, you 997 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 1: know how you would do the line, but you have 998 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,640 Speaker 1: to let them. Only they can say the line. And 999 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,919 Speaker 1: what they're gonna bring is going to be so much 1000 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,720 Speaker 1: better than what you're imagining in your in your you know, 1001 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: on your desk four days ago, know what I mean? 1002 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: That's right, well, it is and it has to be 1003 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,560 Speaker 1: to be truly great. A collaborative process, I mean that 1004 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: that's what that's what elevates it, right, I mean, you 1005 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: have geniuses who are visionaries and do things completely their 1006 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: own unique way, right, So like the Cohen Brothers or 1007 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: something right where where they are creating a world and 1008 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,320 Speaker 1: a way of talking that exists wholly and uniquely to them. However, 1009 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: they still use the actors to collaborate with them by 1010 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,520 Speaker 1: creating characters that have to be richer than what they 1011 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,880 Speaker 1: had envisioned, even them. And I think that that's what's 1012 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 1: so important, that that that collaboration happens, and that directors 1013 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: allow that collaboration to happen, because if all the actors 1014 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 1: are doing, are is just fulfilling a vision that's already 1015 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: pre pre pre created. I literally just made that up. 1016 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 1: God dang, I'm pre created, precreated. Then what are we? Yeah, 1017 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: then then you might you literally might as well hire 1018 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,720 Speaker 1: a monkey like you know, like that, you know, but 1019 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,919 Speaker 1: if you're going to allow the actor there to bring 1020 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 1: their own unique set of skills, I think that's really smart. 1021 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Though I'm sorry you got humiliated. That sounds I don't 1022 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: know her, that sounds terrifying. Yeah, but she's you know, 1023 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,919 Speaker 1: she's great. I mean, listen, she turned around and and 1024 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,640 Speaker 1: got me my first She went to John Landgraf, who's 1025 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: the head of f X, and just said, hey, take 1026 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Donovan is uh you know a great director. You should 1027 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: hire him. And he went on to, you know, hire 1028 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: me for the first jobs that I got outside of 1029 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: shows that I was acting in. So I owe a 1030 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 1: lot to her, for sure. But you know, when you're 1031 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: talking about the collaboration and the pre creation and that 1032 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: directors have, I um, that's why you know a lot 1033 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,720 Speaker 1: of people are like, aren't you scared that? You know, 1034 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,439 Speaker 1: people are just gonna be able to sample actors and 1035 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,960 Speaker 1: be able to like a, I will be able to 1036 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: make a film that's better than any director. And uh, 1037 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, I always think that I'm not really worried 1038 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: about that because because it's got to take a bunch 1039 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: of different you know, like a a director and an actor, 1040 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 1: sort of scuffling over a scene is sort of the 1041 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,680 Speaker 1: best thing possible, you know what I mean, Like when 1042 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: you get to oppose, like I don't see the scene 1043 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,640 Speaker 1: that way, I see it this way, and and the 1044 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: way they come together and the way it ends up shooting, 1045 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,600 Speaker 1: the compromise that has made is always the best thing. 1046 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I think it's it's going to be 1047 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 1: around a long time. Actors and directors and prop guys 1048 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, all of us sort of coming 1049 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,920 Speaker 1: together and trying to figure this out. Yeah, I uh, 1050 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: I can't let you go before we talk about three 1051 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 1: of the largest, most well important, at least from an 1052 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, credits that you've been involved with three Academy 1053 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 1: Award nominated films for Best Picture, Goodnight and Good Luck, 1054 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Manchester by the Sea, and of course Argo that that 1055 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,320 Speaker 1: ends up winning. Let's talk about Argo a little bit. 1056 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 1: To start, Bob Anders you played, How did you get 1057 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 1: involved with Argo? Well, that was going back to sc 1058 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Grant Heslov. You know Grant totally found that story and 1059 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: champion that whole movie from you know, step one. He 1060 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,120 Speaker 1: was like, that would make a great movie. He found 1061 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,840 Speaker 1: a great writer. George was originally gonna star and direct 1062 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 1: in it, and that changed so it looked like it 1063 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 1: was dead in the water. And then he found Ben 1064 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 1: and he just um the whole time. He was like, 1065 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: I gotta role for you. I gotta role for you, 1066 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I gotta roll for you. So it was very sweet 1067 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: and and Ben was not into it. He didn't want 1068 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,040 Speaker 1: me for the role, but but Grant really fought for me. 1069 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 1: And uh, I always always be grateful for for that 1070 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 1: experience because that was working on Argo was like crazy, great, 1071 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,440 Speaker 1: great experience. Um, I don't even know where to start. 1072 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 1: One thing that Ben did was he stuck all the 1073 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,080 Speaker 1: house guests, you know, the hostages, in the house that 1074 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,440 Speaker 1: we shot in, and we had to live there with 1075 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: no contact, no email, no phone, nothing, no television, no 1076 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:49,240 Speaker 1: radio for seven full days. And I was like, oh, 1077 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,960 Speaker 1: come on, man, I'm too old for this, like method bullshit, 1078 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, like, let me do my own thing. I 1079 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,360 Speaker 1: don't want to live with these guys. I don't know. 1080 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,680 Speaker 1: You know, a bunch of young actors who were going 1081 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: to be in character seven. You know, I was just 1082 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: like jeez, So I was dragged into that house and 1083 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,920 Speaker 1: you had to drag me and everybody else out of 1084 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,560 Speaker 1: it because it was we We had the most amazing time. 1085 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,600 Speaker 1: It was an incredible experience that just spend a week 1086 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 1: in that world and we weren't allowed to leave the house. 1087 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,240 Speaker 1: It was we just bonded so much. We just we 1088 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,640 Speaker 1: just loved each other and had the best times and 1089 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: drank and it sort of did a lot of what 1090 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,480 Speaker 1: the hostages did, but they did a lot of partying. 1091 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,600 Speaker 1: I know that we shot a bunch of scenes where 1092 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,800 Speaker 1: the hostages were partying and playing cards and getting drunk, 1093 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,560 Speaker 1: uh and celebrating, but they had to cut them all 1094 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,520 Speaker 1: out because, um, it made us look like a bunch 1095 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,080 Speaker 1: of assholes, because like here's the CIA and the whole 1096 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: government in Canada and the whole world is trying to 1097 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,080 Speaker 1: get them out and we're just like partying and having 1098 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: a great time. Um. But you know, working with Ben 1099 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 1: it was really interesting. He was the star of it, right, 1100 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: so he sort of directed us by his acting. We 1101 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: do a scene with him and he was just business 1102 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: and there was no there was no flurry. There were 1103 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,880 Speaker 1: no curly cues, There was no showmanship in his performance. 1104 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,080 Speaker 1: He was just giving us the facts and the lines, 1105 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,439 Speaker 1: and so we took that in and just gave him 1106 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,680 Speaker 1: our lines back, you know. And he did a lot 1107 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 1: of non verbal directing, which I really I really admired. 1108 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: I really um looking back on it and and seeing 1109 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: the film that he made, so impressed by how little 1110 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,320 Speaker 1: he sort of directed us, and yet how how much 1111 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,240 Speaker 1: he directed us just subconsciously at any rate. Uh yeah, 1112 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,880 Speaker 1: it was amazing experience. We went to Turkey, we shot 1113 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,400 Speaker 1: in Turkey, and that was an amazing go to Istanbul 1114 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,320 Speaker 1: was just a incredible town, an incredible city. So that, yeah, 1115 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and then it won the Academy Award. We 1116 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,200 Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. We could not believe it. You weren't. 1117 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 1: You weren't fell Obama gave it to us. No, not 1118 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,679 Speaker 1: at all, no way. Lincoln was like, you know, Argo 1119 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,880 Speaker 1: didn't get great reviews. It was like, yeah, that's a 1120 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,640 Speaker 1: good movie, you know, patting itself on the back, Hollywood 1121 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 1: patting itself on the back. But you know, everyone was 1122 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,519 Speaker 1: in love with Lincoln. It was just like, uh yeah, 1123 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,960 Speaker 1: Lincoln was just like everyone's gonna win everything. And yeah 1124 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 1: it was argo. Yeah crazy, that's so, that's so great 1125 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: and and and and to have my my best my 1126 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,960 Speaker 1: best friend, I mean for I mean, I can't tell 1127 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,920 Speaker 1: you we were roommates for years and years and years. 1128 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: To have him win an Academy award, to see him 1129 01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,760 Speaker 1: up there, I can't tell you how in credible a sensation. 1130 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,719 Speaker 1: It is, like, I know what that guy has gone through, 1131 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,479 Speaker 1: and he came from nothing, from nowhere. It's just hard 1132 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,960 Speaker 1: work and smarts and just two And he's such a 1133 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: good guy. Grant has love. He's such a kind and 1134 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,640 Speaker 1: considerate guy. You know, like we all think, oh, Hollywood's 1135 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,120 Speaker 1: filled with, you know, the worst people in the world, 1136 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,760 Speaker 1: and that's what you have to be to succeed. And 1137 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,680 Speaker 1: like Grant Heslov is the the example that that is 1138 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,800 Speaker 1: so not true. You can be an amazing guy, uh, 1139 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: super kind, super generous and be on top of the hill. 1140 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,839 Speaker 1: Oh it was awesome. I love that. Uh. You recently 1141 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,920 Speaker 1: wrap production on a new series set in Hawaii, You 1142 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,360 Speaker 1: lucky dog. You I know it was fun. Tell us 1143 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. Oh, it's a it's a 1144 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,599 Speaker 1: crazy fun little Um. I'm so curious how it's going 1145 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,519 Speaker 1: to come out because it's it's it's all over the 1146 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,640 Speaker 1: place in terms of the script. I mean, it was 1147 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,360 Speaker 1: a lot of fun to make. You know, you can't 1148 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,720 Speaker 1: you can't turn down a gig in Hawaii, you know 1149 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. So it should be fun. But but 1150 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: I also finished, um, I think it's gonna be equally 1151 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: as good as Manchester by the Sea or some of 1152 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,400 Speaker 1: the other movies that Alexander Paine's new movies starring m 1153 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,599 Speaker 1: Paul Giamatti. I just have a tiny role in it. 1154 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,599 Speaker 1: I only I only work, I only really have one scene. 1155 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,560 Speaker 1: But oh my god, Paul Giamatti. It's called The Holdovers, 1156 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: and Paul Giamatti in this script, he is he is 1157 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,000 Speaker 1: so good. I've been acting for forty years and I've 1158 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,400 Speaker 1: never did done what I did with Paul Giamatti. I'm 1159 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,920 Speaker 1: in the scene with him and he's he has a 1160 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,679 Speaker 1: sort of long speech, and I have the line after 1161 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,400 Speaker 1: long speech, and I just got so caught up as 1162 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,760 Speaker 1: an audience. Remember watching Paul Giamatti, I was just like 1163 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,400 Speaker 1: captured by his performance that I completely forgotten. I'm I've 1164 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,599 Speaker 1: forgotten my lines before, but I was I wasn't even 1165 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,160 Speaker 1: in the room. I was just like, I was just 1166 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,439 Speaker 1: like a fan, just thinking, God, Paul Giamatti is the 1167 01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 1: greatest actor. And they were like cut They're like, I'm like, 1168 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,320 Speaker 1: oh God, sorry, guys, sorry, I know, I don't know. 1169 01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,000 Speaker 1: I was just like so captured by his performance that 1170 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,519 Speaker 1: I completely forgot that I had to say something to it. 1171 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,479 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that. It makes me very 1172 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,240 Speaker 1: excited to see that I was nder pain man. He 1173 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,640 Speaker 1: is I would I would have done craft service for 1174 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: Alexander Pain. I mean he is. He is an amazing director. 1175 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you you're familiar, but you know 1176 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,040 Speaker 1: he did. Uh of course. Yeah, he's so good. Tate, 1177 01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,799 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming to talk to me today. 1178 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:58,000 Speaker 1: I have long admired your work. The scope, the scale, 1179 01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:04,280 Speaker 1: the diversity. Uh is so impressive. I appreciate you coming 1180 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,000 Speaker 1: to talk to me. And yeah, at some point we'll 1181 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,919 Speaker 1: we'll go get we'll go get a beer or a coffee. 1182 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,040 Speaker 1: That would be awesome. I would love to That would 1183 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,360 Speaker 1: be so great. And thanks for having me on man. 1184 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 1: I really I'm a huge fan of yours too. I 1185 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,000 Speaker 1: just you're just fantastic, and uh, yeah, I look for 1186 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,799 Speaker 1: it would be great. If we get a beer after 1187 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,640 Speaker 1: after working together, that's right, Let's do that would be 1188 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:43,759 Speaker 1: the ultimate. Let's do that deal. Thanks Tate Man, Tate, 1189 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much for chatting with me today. I'm 1190 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,840 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna go watch Hercules tonight with 1191 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,559 Speaker 1: my kids. Just in your honor, listeners, We're gonna see 1192 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,679 Speaker 1: you next week for another episode of Off the Beat. 1193 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:03,160 Speaker 1: I'll have our guest, You'll have another laugh. I mean, really, 1194 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,960 Speaker 1: what more can we ask for? Make sure to check 1195 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,400 Speaker 1: out Off the Beat on Instagram and leave us a 1196 01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 1: review on Apple Podcasts in the meantime, and I will 1197 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 1: catch you next week. Off the Beat is hosted an 1198 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,879 Speaker 1: executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. 1199 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,400 Speaker 1: Our producers are Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and 1200 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,800 Speaker 1: Emily Carr. 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