WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Dangers of Nose Picking

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and it's short Stuff. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a p S. A episode of Short Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We like to do those kinds of things where we

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<v Speaker 1>tell you to stop doing something that you're doing because

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<v Speaker 1>it's harmful and you didn't know it. So that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do here today. And also hat tip

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<v Speaker 1>to my wife Umi, who sent me an article on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Um had I had no idea about this, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about nose picking. We have to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>start off first, Chuck, um, by establishing a link between

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<v Speaker 1>the nose and the brain. Go uh sure, um. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to relate to some particular brain diseases

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<v Speaker 1>like Alzheimer's and and generally dementia overall. But when those

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<v Speaker 1>things happen, it's super sad. And that's the result of

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<v Speaker 1>plaque building up and protein tangles in your brain that

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<v Speaker 1>are blocking neurological pathways and coming up the works basically,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the years, they've kind of known for a

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<v Speaker 1>while that like memory and smell or some of the

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<v Speaker 1>first early signs and that's no surprise, but the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago Medicine has stumbled upon not stumbled upon, did

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<v Speaker 1>some very intentional research that found recently that if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a sudden loss of smell uh, and generally you're

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in the age range. You know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen and you lose your smell for something, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>have COVID. So don't worry. You probably got you did

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<v Speaker 1>something wrong. You're being punished by God, that's right. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a sudden loss of smell, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be a very good early warning sign that you might

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<v Speaker 1>be headed down um a road for dementia or Alzheimer's. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What was interesting is the link is so strong that

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<v Speaker 1>the sudden loss of smell is as big a risk

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<v Speaker 1>factor as having the literal gene that they basically say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Alzheimer's gene, the apoe E four gene,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you don't have to have that gene, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you lose your smell suddenly, you're just as likely to

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<v Speaker 1>develop Alzheimer's shortly after pretty remarkable finding, I think so too, so, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that was really well done. You established a link between

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<v Speaker 1>the nose and the brain, which sets us up for

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<v Speaker 1>the next part um, which is to say there is

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<v Speaker 1>a connection between the nose and the brain physically as well,

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<v Speaker 1>not just neurologically. That is problematic because researchers from UM

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<v Speaker 1>the CLEM. Jones Center for Neurobiology and Stem Cell Research

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<v Speaker 1>in Brisbane in Australia found that UM, picking your nose

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<v Speaker 1>could actually be a risk factor for Alzheimer's as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Uh. And they cavey at it, and we

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<v Speaker 1>should cavey at it as well. That they use mouse mouses,

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<v Speaker 1>these mices, mouse models to check this out, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have definitely found that there's the introduction of a bacteria

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<v Speaker 1>called chlamydia. Uh, I don't. I never have remembered, even

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<v Speaker 1>though people wrote in how do you pronounce it when

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<v Speaker 1>it's I A E at the end um I A.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's pneumonia. I mean, we've had very smart

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<v Speaker 1>scientists and doctors say, guys, and did you see that

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<v Speaker 1>it is pronounced this way? And I never can remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is a A. I mean if you

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<v Speaker 1>just take the iowa A remember A on flux. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how they fell bad. So I'm guessing it's pneumonia. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So Clamidia pneumonia, which can be very dangerous, is very

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous for the brain. Uh. And this bacteria goes from

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<v Speaker 1>the nose to the brain and kind of kicks off

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<v Speaker 1>the production of this amm alloid plaque, which is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the plaques that can you know, kind of kick

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<v Speaker 1>off Alzheimer's and dementia. Yeah, and what's interesting about that

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<v Speaker 1>is that once this um this p pneumonia gets into

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<v Speaker 1>your brain or your central nervous system and you start

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<v Speaker 1>developing this amyloid plaque. That seems like a dumb thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do since that's going to trigger Alzheimer's. But they

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<v Speaker 1>found anti viral and anti microbial properties in amyloid plaque,

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<v Speaker 1>so they think it might be part of our immune systems. Interest.

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<v Speaker 1>You just you don't want this bug, not just for that,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's it's been linked to a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>stuff too, because it's so effective at attacking our central

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<v Speaker 1>nervous system that, um, they think it's possible that multiple

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<v Speaker 1>sclerosis is the result of an infection of this bug.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty crazy. Um. It exacerbates asthma. Uh, it can

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<v Speaker 1>trigger material sclerosis, which apparently it makes us start absorbing

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<v Speaker 1>L D L cholesterol, which inflames our our blood vessels.

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<v Speaker 1>Which hardens them over time, all because this bug made

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<v Speaker 1>its way into your body. So the upshot of this

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<v Speaker 1>is that, um, these researchers in Brisbane say, don't pick

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<v Speaker 1>your nose because all you're doing is helping this bug

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<v Speaker 1>get in there in the first place. All Right, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a great spot for a break and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back and explain all that in a second. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So the Australians tied this to mice. Uh, they came

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<v Speaker 1>out and said, all right, we've tested the mice, now

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<v Speaker 1>we need to test this on humans. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>we are really pretty sure that it's bad for humans

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<v Speaker 1>and that you shouldn't be picking your nose because you

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<v Speaker 1>could get some of that bacteria on your finger and

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<v Speaker 1>basically stick it up onto a highway that goes to

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<v Speaker 1>your brain. Uh, it may already be on your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>it may already be in your nose, in which you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be shoving it up there further by picking your nose.

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<v Speaker 1>And now comes to the second half of this episode

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<v Speaker 1>where we're just going to talk a little more generally

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<v Speaker 1>about picking your nose. Yeah, because what the uh, the C.

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<v Speaker 1>Pneumonia um is not the only bug that you can

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<v Speaker 1>push into your um, your nose even further. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>with that one in particular is that it attacks the

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<v Speaker 1>central nervous system. Right. Um. But picking your nose, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, is not um something you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. First of all, it's it's gross.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, you just know it's gross. But it

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<v Speaker 1>can be dangerous too. But it also seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>really really widespread chuck. Yeah, And I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>point out really quickly, like the whole thing with COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and masks, one of the reasons that they were telling

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<v Speaker 1>people to wear masks was not just to keep from

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<v Speaker 1>inhaling particles into your nose, but it was to keep

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<v Speaker 1>your fingies away from your mouth and nose so you

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<v Speaker 1>don't just like scratch your nose with a little COVID

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<v Speaker 1>on it because it could be a carrier. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>another reason people are saying to keep those masks on,

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<v Speaker 1>because they found that picking your nose is literally shoving

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<v Speaker 1>whatever bacteria you have on that index finger or thumb

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes or pinky if it's in the little corner, and

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<v Speaker 1>getting it closer to your brain. Right. So, there was

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<v Speaker 1>this um study from out of Madison Wisconsin, and these

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<v Speaker 1>researchers sent a thousand questionnaires out to people, and the

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<v Speaker 1>questionnaires basically said, hey, we have a bunch of questions

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<v Speaker 1>about um, picking your nose. You want to answer these?

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<v Speaker 1>And two hundred and fifty four people responded that, and

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<v Speaker 1>the response that they got was we all do all

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<v Speaker 1>of us pick our noses? Of the people in the

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<v Speaker 1>survey reported picking their nose said that they think everybody

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<v Speaker 1>picks their nose. I thought everyone kind of pick their

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<v Speaker 1>nose occasionally. I think they do. This study is criticized because, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it could. It could very easily suffer from response bias.

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<v Speaker 1>If you remember from our Scientific Biases episode that was

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<v Speaker 1>one of them where only people who are actually interested

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<v Speaker 1>in talking about nose picking and who are likely to

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<v Speaker 1>pick their noses then would have been the ones who responded.

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<v Speaker 1>So that would skew the results, but still is pretty significant. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go ahead and say it. I picked my nose

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<v Speaker 1>here and there if I'm in a situation where it

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<v Speaker 1>calls for it. Sure, if I if I got a

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<v Speaker 1>boogie up there and there's no tissue at hand, just

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<v Speaker 1>get that thing out of there. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>that gross. I mean, boogers are kind of gross looking,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not you know, it's not like picking poop

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<v Speaker 1>out of your butt. No, no, it's not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I just say that you did? Okay? Uh? For

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<v Speaker 1>these respondents, I guess on one of the two fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like you, I'll fill this thing out right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a proud nose picker. Uh. For two percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the subjects in this survey, which is not many, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually like and I think these are people who

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<v Speaker 1>sort of obsessively pick. It actually interfered with their daily functioning. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And people responded with how much time? Some people responded

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thirty minutes. There was one person that said they

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<v Speaker 1>spend over two hours a day picking their nose and

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<v Speaker 1>it caused various medical problems from uh, perforation of the

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<v Speaker 1>septum um to this one lady. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a different case study, but um, she perforated her septum

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<v Speaker 1>and carved a hole in her sinuses from obsessively nose picking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine. No. So, the these researchers UM concluded

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<v Speaker 1>that nose picking is probably universal among adults at least,

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<v Speaker 1>so it should not be con sidered a mental disorder

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<v Speaker 1>alongside something like a trick to lamannia, where you pull

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<v Speaker 1>your hair out. Um. And there's actually a name like

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<v Speaker 1>that for nose picking, or at least compulsive nose picking,

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<v Speaker 1>rhino to lexomania. Um. And they said we should get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of rhino to lexo mania. It's ruined enough lives

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<v Speaker 1>as a label. So let's just say everybody picks their

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<v Speaker 1>nose instead rhino. How did you pronounce that, rhino to lexomnia?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's right. Are rhino till x? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a right. Oh well what am I looking at? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>What is rhino trick to lemnia? Oh? So there's a one.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a documented case of somebody who compulsively picked

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<v Speaker 1>their nose and pulled their hair. So they've dubbed it

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't know if those nose here, because because

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<v Speaker 1>getting after that nose here can be a problem too, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's stuff. Do you ever do that, pull out your

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<v Speaker 1>nose hair? I do? Uh, it's very painful. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I try to do is get in there with my Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got I've got some really nice hair cutting scissors,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just to say they cut very well and

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<v Speaker 1>very precisely. So I try to because you know you

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<v Speaker 1>can older, you get hair in your nose and your

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<v Speaker 1>ears like you never had before. And you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be that guy with like the crazy eyebrows and

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<v Speaker 1>nose hair everywhere. It just busts out all over. You

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<v Speaker 1>turn into like a cheea pet basically. So I try

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of this stuff. So I get in

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<v Speaker 1>there with the scissors. Um, when I'm thinking about it now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll trim the eyebrows, and I'll trim up the nose

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<v Speaker 1>hair and then the ear hair. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>stick scissors in there, so I'll just feel around in

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<v Speaker 1>there and I'll pluck those and those are pretty painful

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<v Speaker 1>to you should just get one of those little buzzer

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<v Speaker 1>things do work really well for nose hair, and you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to have one of those. Oh I went analog?

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<v Speaker 1>That was fine. Are you like analog, you hipster? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I literally just kind of lost it over

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<v Speaker 1>the years and then never placed it. But a dynamic

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<v Speaker 1>against it it was fine. So there are some other

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<v Speaker 1>researchers to that did a follow up study in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand in Bangalore, India. Um, I remember our friend Van

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<v Speaker 1>Nostrian's band was named the Bangalore's That's right. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to mention that. And their their hypothesis was that,

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<v Speaker 1>um uh, something like nose picking, that kind of habit

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<v Speaker 1>finds its like origin in childhood and it just carries

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<v Speaker 1>over into adulthood. That does not seem to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently nose picking becomes much more um appealing to you

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<v Speaker 1>as you age. Because only seven point six percent of respondents,

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<v Speaker 1>and of these teenagers who were surveyed said that they

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<v Speaker 1>picked their nose. I'm guessing that they were given anonymity

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a pretty self conscious question for a teenager. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently it's it's an adult phenomenon more than a

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<v Speaker 1>childhood phenomena. Yeah, I'm glad to know it was anonymous,

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<v Speaker 1>because at first I was like, come on, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>these teenagers were just like, well, I don't pick my nose.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm guessing it was anonymous, because that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a terrible study design if it wasn't. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you, you know what I'm saying. Sure, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious about all these numbers, so any this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a tough thing to really quantify any survey, where you're

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<v Speaker 1>asking people to admit doing something that may not be

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<v Speaker 1>socially acceptable is pretty tough, totally. And socially acceptable is

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<v Speaker 1>right because depending on where you are in the world, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it may or may not be frowned upon. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the US, Uh, if you're not egregiously just

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<v Speaker 1>digging in there going for gold, as I say, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can get away with a quick little nose pick

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, just sort of do one of those

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<v Speaker 1>and people won't be think you're like a monster. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll look the other way. Yeah. In the cars when

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<v Speaker 1>you always see people in traffic, I always say, pick

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<v Speaker 1>a winner, buddy, Well you're honking. I don't yell that

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<v Speaker 1>that might just say it to myself. Um, in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's not. They don't really celebrate public nose picking,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, by comparison, blowing your nose in public is

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<v Speaker 1>way worse of a social faux pa for sure, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes tough. It makes sense though, because um, they're very

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<v Speaker 1>germ conscious in Japan. I mean they've they've been wearing

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<v Speaker 1>masks since way before the pandemic. They're old school with

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. So I could totally see that being a

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<v Speaker 1>big social taboo there. Yeah, blowing your nose in public.

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<v Speaker 1>In public is one thing, but like in a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always like, what do I do? I always feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I should get up and excuse myself to blow

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<v Speaker 1>my nose, and I try to unless it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a you know what I'm saying, I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>too gross here. But if it's like a quick little thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that big of a deal. But if it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that sounds gross, like if you're really like releasing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of snot and you can hear that, then

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should probably like excuse yourself. That's for

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. And then China, apparently I saw there's a

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal article where, um, the author moved to

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<v Speaker 1>China and started picking their nose because they said that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>nose picking in China is quote a way of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting but you're like, Okay, that's weird China. But apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the author kind of choked it up to all of

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<v Speaker 1>the soot that's in the air and some some of

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<v Speaker 1>the major cities there that you just have to It's

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<v Speaker 1>like every time we go to New York. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, I picked my nose because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just getting all the crowd out of there. I can

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<v Speaker 1>only imagine, you know, visiting Beijing, and of course you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to pick your nose. Of course you got anything else. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>it's away life. It is chuck. Hats off to you

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<v Speaker 1>for admitting you pick your nose. I'll admit it to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone picks her nose a little bit. It's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels good, man. Uh, it feels good to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean also it can feel good to pick your

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<v Speaker 1>nose too. That first nose blow the morning, too, is

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<v Speaker 1>very rewarding. So I think short stuff is out, don't you.

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