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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and it's short Stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is a p S. A episode of Short Stuff.

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Speaker 1: We like to do those kinds of things where we

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Speaker 1: tell you to stop doing something that you're doing because

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Speaker 1: it's harmful and you didn't know it. So that's what

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Speaker 1: we're going to do here today. And also hat tip

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Speaker 1: to my wife Umi, who sent me an article on this.

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Speaker 1: Um had I had no idea about this, but um,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about nose picking. We have to kind of

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Speaker 1: start off first, Chuck, um, by establishing a link between

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Speaker 1: the nose and the brain. Go uh sure, um. And

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Speaker 1: this is going to relate to some particular brain diseases

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Speaker 1: like Alzheimer's and and generally dementia overall. But when those

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Speaker 1: things happen, it's super sad. And that's the result of

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Speaker 1: plaque building up and protein tangles in your brain that

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Speaker 1: and over the years, they've kind of known for a

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Speaker 1: while that like memory and smell or some of the

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Speaker 1: first early signs and that's no surprise, but the University

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Speaker 1: of Chicago Medicine has stumbled upon not stumbled upon, did

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Speaker 1: some very intentional research that found recently that if you

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Speaker 1: have a sudden loss of smell uh, and generally you're

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Speaker 1: if you're in the age range. You know, if you're

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Speaker 1: thirteen and you lose your smell for something, you probably

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Speaker 1: have COVID. So don't worry. You probably got you did

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Speaker 1: something wrong. You're being punished by God, that's right. But

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Speaker 1: if you have a sudden loss of smell, it can

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Speaker 1: be a very good early warning sign that you might

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Speaker 1: be headed down um a road for dementia or Alzheimer's. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What was interesting is the link is so strong that

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Speaker 1: the sudden loss of smell is as big a risk

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Speaker 1: factor as having the literal gene that they basically say, like,

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Speaker 1: this is the Alzheimer's gene, the apoe E four gene,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't have to have that gene, and if

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Speaker 1: you lose your smell suddenly, you're just as likely to

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Speaker 1: develop Alzheimer's shortly after pretty remarkable finding, I think so too, so, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: that was really well done. You established a link between

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Speaker 1: the nose and the brain, which sets us up for

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Speaker 1: the next part um, which is to say there is

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Speaker 1: not just neurologically. That is problematic because researchers from UM

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Speaker 1: the CLEM. Jones Center for Neurobiology and Stem Cell Research

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Speaker 1: could actually be a risk factor for Alzheimer's as well.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Uh. And they cavey at it, and we

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Speaker 1: should cavey at it as well. That they use mouse mouses,

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Speaker 1: these mices, mouse models to check this out, and they

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Speaker 1: have definitely found that there's the introduction of a bacteria

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Speaker 1: called chlamydia. Uh, I don't. I never have remembered, even

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Speaker 1: though people wrote in how do you pronounce it when

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Speaker 1: I think it's pneumonia. I mean, we've had very smart

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Speaker 1: scientists and doctors say, guys, and did you see that

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Speaker 1: it is pronounced this way? And I never can remember.

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Speaker 1: I think it is a A. I mean if you

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Speaker 1: how they fell bad. So I'm guessing it's pneumonia. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Clamidia pneumonia, which can be very dangerous, is very

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Speaker 1: dangerous for the brain. Uh. And this bacteria goes from

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Speaker 1: the production of this amm alloid plaque, which is one

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Speaker 1: You just you don't want this bug, not just for that,

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Speaker 1: And now comes to the second half of this episode

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Speaker 1: about picking your nose. Yeah, because what the uh, the C.

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Speaker 1: Pneumonia um is not the only bug that you can

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Speaker 1: central nervous system. Right. Um. But picking your nose, like

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Speaker 1: you said, is not um something you want to do

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Speaker 1: in the first place. First of all, it's it's gross.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, you just know it's gross. But it

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Speaker 1: really really widespread chuck. Yeah, And I do want to

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Speaker 1: don't just like scratch your nose with a little COVID

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Speaker 1: another reason people are saying to keep those masks on,

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Speaker 1: because they found that picking your nose is literally shoving

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Speaker 1: questionnaires basically said, hey, we have a bunch of questions

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Speaker 1: And two hundred and fifty four people responded that, and

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Speaker 1: So that would skew the results, but still is pretty significant. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say it. I picked my nose

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Speaker 1: but it's not you know, it's not like picking poop

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Speaker 1: Did I just say that you did? Okay? Uh? For

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Speaker 1: I'm a proud nose picker. Uh. For two percent of

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Speaker 1: And people responded with how much time? Some people responded

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Speaker 1: alongside something like a trick to lamannia, where you pull

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Speaker 1: rhino to lexomania. Um. And they said we should get

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Speaker 1: rid of rhino to lexo mania. It's ruined enough lives

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Speaker 1: as a label. So let's just say everybody picks their

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Speaker 1: There was a documented case of somebody who compulsively picked

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Speaker 1: to you should just get one of those little buzzer

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Speaker 1: things do work really well for nose hair, and you're here.

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Speaker 1: I used to have one of those. Oh I went analog?

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Speaker 1: That was fine. Are you like analog, you hipster? No?

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Speaker 1: Apparently nose picking becomes much more um appealing to you

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Speaker 1: these teenagers were just like, well, I don't pick my nose.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm guessing it was anonymous, because that would

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Speaker 1: have been a terrible study design if it wasn't. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I got you, you know what I'm saying. Sure, I'm

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Speaker 1: curious about all these numbers, so any this is just

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Speaker 1: a tough thing to really quantify any survey, where you're

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Speaker 1: asking people to admit doing something that may not be

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Speaker 1: right because depending on where you are in the world, uh,

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Speaker 1: it may or may not be frowned upon. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: you can get away with a quick little nose pick

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Speaker 1: they'll look the other way. Yeah. In the cars when

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Speaker 1: a winner, buddy, Well you're honking. I don't yell that

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Speaker 1: that might just say it to myself. Um, in Japan,

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Speaker 1: actually it's not. They don't really celebrate public nose picking,

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Speaker 1: but um, by comparison, blowing your nose in public is

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Speaker 1: makes tough. It makes sense though, because um, they're very

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Speaker 1: big social taboo there. Yeah, blowing your nose in public.

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Speaker 1: In public is one thing, but like in a restaurant,

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Speaker 1: I'm always like, what do I do? I always feel

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Speaker 1: like I should get up and excuse myself to blow

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Speaker 1: too gross here. But if it's like a quick little thing,

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Speaker 1: I think you should probably like excuse yourself. That's for

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Speaker 1: the bathroom. And then China, apparently I saw there's a

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Speaker 1: nose picking in China is quote a way of life.

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I picked my nose because I'm

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Speaker 1: only imagine, you know, visiting Beijing, and of course you're

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Speaker 1: going to pick your nose. Of course you got anything else. Nope,

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Speaker 1: it's away life. It is chuck. Hats off to you

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Speaker 1: for admitting you pick your nose. I'll admit it to see.

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Speaker 1: Everyone picks her nose a little bit. It's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: It feels good, man. Uh, it feels good to say.

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Speaker 1: I mean also it can feel good to pick your

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Speaker 1: nose too. That first nose blow the morning, too, is

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Speaker 1: very rewarding. So I think short stuff is out, don't you.

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