Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook, where
Speaker 1: we're always breaking house rules. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in
Speaker 1: the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with my friend Patrick Claybond
Speaker 1: and for the first time in person, Yes, the host
Speaker 1: of the podcast Breaking House Rules with Cam Wolf and
Speaker 1: Javon Holland. It's NFL Networks, Cam Wolf.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that intro, Greg, that was well done.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. To get you on my side,
Speaker 1: just give you the plug right off the bat. You
Speaker 1: got one of those like player and reporter type pods.
Speaker 1: How's this going?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the thousand, right, No, it's great, it's great.
Speaker 3: It's been going great. The Dolphin season is not going great,
Speaker 3: so that's that's been a challenge to get through that
Speaker 3: on our end, but it's challenged us to like create
Speaker 3: different deeper conversations that are just uh not just what
Speaker 3: happened to the game this week? You lost again with
Speaker 3: you know, So it's been a great experience showing different
Speaker 3: sides of Javon player media and a week ago, I'm
Speaker 3: Dre who's a fan.
Speaker 4: So yeah, ultimate, ultimately it's the people, right Besides, like
Speaker 4: you know, you could be a certain a certain TV
Speaker 4: show or podcast and have a certain guest on every
Speaker 4: single week and have them say crazy stuff and then
Speaker 4: like eventually as the team goes to three and eight,
Speaker 4: they become irrelevant. Ye, it's not fun, but if you
Speaker 4: can have a person that the people can connect with,
Speaker 4: there we go when's losses like whatever, like we want
Speaker 4: to hear what you and Javon thinks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's what we've done the last
Speaker 3: month and it's been fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can check that out on YouTube and obviously
Speaker 1: as a podcast too. And we're all about getting the
Speaker 1: best people here too, that's why we're The numbers are
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Speaker 1: gonna go any deeper though, Like you said, you have
Speaker 1: some deep conversations and now we're sticking strictly to the
Speaker 1: surface level. Today we're going all through the week fifteen
Speaker 1: games and look, the buys are done. So this is
Speaker 1: as full a show as we have had since Week four,
Speaker 1: and we usually go from the closest point spread to
Speaker 1: the biggest, but I decided to start differently this week
Speaker 1: because I think the structure of this week is so unique.
Speaker 1: The five best games this week are all four to
Speaker 1: twenty five on Sunday on the East Coast. That's four
Speaker 1: of them, and then the Sunday night games. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna start with those five games, starting with the four
Speaker 1: to twenty five. It's crazy that four of the biggest
Speaker 1: games for the entire rest of the season in terms
Speaker 1: of playoff percentages are all going to be at the
Speaker 1: exact same time. It is going to be Scott Hansen
Speaker 1: and football fan Nirvana around it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and for those who don't have access to NFL
Speaker 4: Red Zone, we do a little show Game Day Live,
Speaker 4: sorry Sunday as it's okay, that's so great.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 4: You know if financially everybody might not be there, and
Speaker 4: so we provide an opportunity, which I love. It's a
Speaker 4: great show highlighting are after opportunities, and we will start
Speaker 4: with the game of the week. Potentially there's two. There's
Speaker 4: two very good cases. I'm interested to see how you
Speaker 4: guys would stack these. The Buffalo Bills coming off their
Speaker 4: loss at Sofi Stadium, going to Detroit to take on
Speaker 4: the Lions, who were favored about two and a half.
Speaker 4: They over under fifty four and a half. Jim Tony
Speaker 4: and Tracy on the call, Greg, we have seen this
Speaker 4: Bills team at their best. We have seen them play
Speaker 4: their best on offense, have a rough game against Stafford
Speaker 4: and company. How do they bounce back against an albeit hurt,
Speaker 4: very very good.
Speaker 1: Lions team, great Lions team and possibly getting healthier. So
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell announced Wednesday who could be returning, and in
Speaker 1: some former fashion, Taylor Decker is expected to return, and
Speaker 1: Alim McNeil and Levi Onwuzuriki and Josh Pascal are all
Speaker 1: expected to practice at some point this week. You would
Speaker 1: surmise that they're all gonna end up playing this week.
Speaker 1: So suddenly that defensive line, which was in tatters for
Speaker 1: a couple is back to their version of full strength.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna have Aden Hutchinson back, but the god
Speaker 1: Zadaria Smith. And that's the matchup to me, because the
Speaker 1: Bills they want to bully you. They go heavy personnel
Speaker 1: more than any team in the entire league. Our our friend,
Speaker 1: our co host sometimes Ali Connelly, who's been in the
Speaker 1: news this week for breaking that Bill Belichick story, and
Speaker 1: it's looking like he had it ahead of all the insiders.
Speaker 1: Who's like, oh, they don't know, but we're not gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that right now. He had a great article
Speaker 1: last week on his substack about how they go heavy
Speaker 1: almost twice as much as any team in the league,
Speaker 1: and they get big passing plays from it, over ten
Speaker 1: yards per attempt when they throw, but they just love
Speaker 1: to mask you too and run the ball with six
Speaker 1: offensive linemen. And so it's a great matchup to me,
Speaker 1: cam of a team that wants to be really tough
Speaker 1: in Buffalo and the Lions who pride themselves in being tough,
Speaker 1: and it looks like they'll be healthier to try to
Speaker 1: match up with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this game. This is the game of
Speaker 2: the week for me.
Speaker 3: To me, people were talking about Super Bowl preview, but
Speaker 3: I think this game is a lot about the Bills.
Speaker 3: We see this Bills team every year where they're very good.
Speaker 3: We don't know if they're great. Even at a description
Speaker 3: there you're talking about the Lions being great Bills. They
Speaker 3: don't get the great label until they do it in
Speaker 3: the playoffs, right, And so I saw how they played
Speaker 3: last week against the Rams, particularly defensively, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people brought that game up as this is why
Speaker 3: at some point they'll get got. I actually think that's
Speaker 3: a perfect bounce back opportunity for them adversity wise, because
Speaker 3: now if they've clinched the division, there's not a lot
Speaker 3: of more obstacles for them the next month of the season.
Speaker 3: So this is a creative level of adversity. I actually
Speaker 3: like Buffalo in this spot as the home the road
Speaker 3: dogs here. I think it's two and a half and
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the overnumber. It's the highest of the week.
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a lot of points in
Speaker 3: this game. I don't even know if that's high enough.
Speaker 1: I agree, I think it's a mismatch when both teams
Speaker 1: have the ball on.
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: But I am particularly eager to see Josh Allen face
Speaker 3: this Lion secondary because they're agree that can give up
Speaker 3: some yards, but they can also make plays on the
Speaker 3: back end. And Josh Allen's deal has always been is
Speaker 3: he going to turn over the ball? They've been really
Speaker 3: good this year for the most part. A couple of
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, you know, there's been a couple
Speaker 3: of turnovers. But I think that you know, Kirby Joseph
Speaker 3: on that side of the ball, Brian Branch, They're gonna
Speaker 3: try to entice a few play maker, a few plays
Speaker 3: on the interception side of things. I think the Bills
Speaker 3: have to take care of the ball to win this game.
Speaker 3: And I actually think it's going to be through Josh
Speaker 3: in the air that they win this game rather than
Speaker 3: on the ground.
Speaker 4: It's it's Josh somehow, right, And I believe in terms
Speaker 4: of the way that this defense has played this season,
Speaker 4: between Brian and Carlton Davis as well as Kirby, those
Speaker 4: guys make plays. They do the Bills We're able to
Speaker 4: survive in a score fest across the street because the
Speaker 4: Rams secondary. We could probably count our hands right the
Speaker 4: number of plays that they've been able to make this year.
Speaker 4: And so it comes down to I think the issues
Speaker 4: that I talked about last week now again, Pookinakua is
Speaker 4: not playing in this game. All due respect to ours
Speaker 4: as well as Jamie right, so to put up the performance.
Speaker 4: The only person that calls the person that.
Speaker 2: Ours is a Mons. They are sb ours book.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to translate for the audience out. They
Speaker 1: might not even pick.
Speaker 4: That up because you know, you write his name so much,
Speaker 4: because he's so involved in this game, whereas they deal
Speaker 4: with a different skill set uh in terms of two
Speaker 4: very good receivers, where I think that's the vulnerability and
Speaker 4: all credit to the Bills where they get into an
Speaker 4: AFC playoff picture where they're not going to have to
Speaker 4: play against guys like Cooper Cup and Aman Ross Brown
Speaker 4: and Jamis and Williams. So those types of receiver matchups
Speaker 4: where it's not necessarily going to be a problem. It's
Speaker 4: a problem now uh in going up against this team
Speaker 4: and we saw it a week ago, a similar type
Speaker 4: situation for them.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Buffalo, although you would hope, you know Toron
Speaker 1: Johnson on the inside, it's bad as good a matchup
Speaker 1: as you could put on them now. Their safeties maybe
Speaker 1: they're vulnerable against the everyone's vulnerable against the Lions. When
Speaker 1: you're trying to parse out these teams. And this was
Speaker 1: my super Bowl matchup coming into the season, and it's
Speaker 1: looking fine, it's looking good. It could happen. Still, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the winner of this game is gonna
Speaker 1: tell me, as long as it's close and competitive, like
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in January. If the Bills lose this game,
Speaker 1: I'm not going off of them. I have a hard
Speaker 1: time picking against the Lions in any situation. And then
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of like you, I kind of want
Speaker 1: to pick the Bills. They do have some good things
Speaker 1: going for them. They have Dalton Kincaid and the rookie
Speaker 1: Keyon Coleman back at practice, so that's really important. But
Speaker 1: they have it's just crazy to pick against the Lions,
Speaker 1: who are one of the best teams I've ever seen
Speaker 1: when they're getting healthier and when they're at home. So
Speaker 1: I probably won't do it in the end. And if
Speaker 1: you're just looking at small differences, the special teams for
Speaker 1: the Lions. According to Football Outsiders or rather Aaron shots
Speaker 1: over at FTN Fantasy Now, Lions are number one in
Speaker 1: the league, Bills are twenty ninth. And then you think
Speaker 1: about the game management, you think about how it ended
Speaker 1: last week for the Bills. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: always trust John McDermott and those just little small margins.
Speaker 1: I trust Dan Campbell and that coaching staff and Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 1: so just the little small margins, it's hard not to
Speaker 1: just say that the Lions are a little bit better,
Speaker 1: but wouldn't surprise me at all. And I wouldn't think
Speaker 1: any worse of the Lions if they lose a close
Speaker 1: game here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of things that big picture that kind
Speaker 3: of stand out for me. I think this game's key
Speaker 3: for the Lions because of seeding. Right, you got Philadelphia,
Speaker 3: it's a game behind. I think the Lions would have
Speaker 3: to lose two technically for Philly to pass them in
Speaker 3: the one seed race. But I think the Lions need
Speaker 3: to play at home throughout the playoffs. I think that
Speaker 3: you see a different Lions team playing at Philly for
Speaker 3: the NFC Championship versus in Detroit. I know there's a
Speaker 3: lot made about Buffalo playing at home versus Casey. Both
Speaker 3: of those places are going to be cold as heck.
Speaker 3: But Detroit in the seventy two degree climate versus you know,
Speaker 3: with all their speed and how they make plays, versus
Speaker 3: Philadelphia running the ball with Saquon Barkley at ten degrees
Speaker 3: in the snow game. I think that's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: And at this point, the Bills have to hope for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs to lose twice. Yes, they've only won once
Speaker 1: so far, so it's unlikely.
Speaker 3: I think the one seeds probably sailed away for the
Speaker 3: Bills in that respect. But I will say like, and
Speaker 3: I mentioned this a little earlier. I talked to the
Speaker 3: Bills GM Brandon Bean last month about this, and he
Speaker 3: talked about the scars from last year and he was like,
Speaker 3: the only way we're gonna prep for those like get
Speaker 3: those scars past us is how we respond successfully to adversity.
Speaker 3: And so that's why I think that you know, they
Speaker 3: can create their own sort of spectrum inside this game
Speaker 3: of like, this is our own challenge, because the reality
Speaker 3: is they clinched the AFC East, and talking to some
Speaker 3: players there this past week, they thought whether whether intentional
Speaker 3: or not, there was a little bit of a relax
Speaker 3: period and maybe we saw that on defense where they relaxed.
Speaker 3: They had been a pretty good defensive team most of
Speaker 3: the year until they played the Rams. It's not like
Speaker 3: this team has been slicing, diced all year. And so
Speaker 3: I wonder if we get a different level of intensity
Speaker 3: for the Bills as they create their own adversity they're
Speaker 3: trying to overcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and an opportunity at a bounce back.
Speaker 4: They got kind of embarrassed, especially on the defensive side
Speaker 4: of the ball at so far, speaking of teams leading
Speaker 4: their division. What about a team that hasn't lost since
Speaker 4: Week four, despite that the vibes always weirdly down horrendously.
Speaker 4: That's the Philadelphia Eagles, five and a half point favorites
Speaker 4: at home in state rivalry game going up against the
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers. Kevin Burkhardt, Tom Brady, Aaron Andrews, and Tom
Speaker 4: Rinaldi on the call cam. We have seen this Eagles
Speaker 4: team go through a lot this season. Again, the only
Speaker 4: two losses. How do they match up against the resurgent
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson, Arthur Smith, everybody else that's having a bounce
Speaker 4: back season in the steel seats.
Speaker 3: So I'll say this not just Eagles fans, this is
Speaker 3: all of Philadelphia. I lived in Philadelphia for a while.
Speaker 3: I grew up an Eagles fan.
Speaker 1: This is just I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm a hardcore Phillies fan. Hart who are
Speaker 3: six Ers fans?
Speaker 2: This is who we are as people.
Speaker 3: It's just never a happiness, you know, It's just it's
Speaker 3: always a complain about something. And I also, I can't
Speaker 3: imagine a sports fandom where that isn't the core of it. Like,
Speaker 3: I can't just imagine fans that are just walking around
Speaker 3: just happy we've won this.
Speaker 1: You kind of live in one now. Miami they're not
Speaker 1: that happy either because of their their team. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you move there though, just better vibes.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 3: I think, Philadelphia, you win by twenty points, why didn't
Speaker 3: we win by thirty? You win this past game, Why
Speaker 3: why isn't Aj Brown getting.
Speaker 2: The ball enough? And I get it.
Speaker 3: They played a Panthers team that, you know, record wise,
Speaker 3: is one of the worst in the league. They're also
Speaker 3: playing very well right now with Bryce Young and sometimes
Speaker 3: you have to gut through those games. I think the
Speaker 3: type of style that Philly has chose to play after
Speaker 3: the bye has enticed some of this. They've chosen the
Speaker 3: route of the best way for us to win is
Speaker 3: to lean on Saquon Barkley, minimize Jalen Hurts and overs,
Speaker 3: and because of that, you're gonna have games where you
Speaker 3: just do not throw the ball enough. Jalen Hurts has
Speaker 3: shown he is not gonna be a seventy seventy five
Speaker 3: percent completion quarterback, and so if you minimize your past
Speaker 3: attempts to twenty to twenty five attempts, you're gonna lessen
Speaker 3: the chances you're getting the ball to AJ and DeVante.
Speaker 3: I think, just like everything, we're gonna get a squeaky
Speaker 3: Will week. I think that because of all the talk
Speaker 3: of AJ and coach and coaches say they don't buy
Speaker 3: into this stuff.
Speaker 2: This was loud enough, especially.
Speaker 3: When you got Brandon Graham coming in talking about even
Speaker 3: though he took it back they used to be friends.
Speaker 1: He didn't take it that far back. Actually, I thought
Speaker 1: him when I finally listened to him take it back
Speaker 1: and he did a couple appearances, Actually that made me think, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a real thing, and in real things happen.
Speaker 1: They're human beings, like relationships, whatever it is. His take
Speaker 1: back was so light, he kind of wasn't really taking
Speaker 1: it back. So I was like, Okay, there's something.
Speaker 3: Clearly as something. It's not just a made up media sensation. Now,
Speaker 3: how high of a level of importance it is?
Speaker 2: Who who knows?
Speaker 3: And feel like Donovan may Nabb and t O doing
Speaker 3: push ups in the in the parking lot of me
Speaker 3: like Heven.
Speaker 2: Is still hot this week?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: Really, yes, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's that level, but I do
Speaker 3: think there is something to the fact of Jalen is
Speaker 3: naturally a quieter internal dude, and AJ is a very
Speaker 3: outward guy, and so those personalities sometimes, you know, you
Speaker 3: just receive things differently. And I think that for Jalen
Speaker 3: everything's about winning.
Speaker 2: AJ.
Speaker 3: I'm sure as well. But AJ wants his wants his
Speaker 3: stats for the whole crew. And one thing that I
Speaker 3: don't think is talked about enough. Davonte Smith did an
Speaker 3: interview at his locker after that game too, and he
Speaker 3: also was not with the passing game either. So is
Speaker 3: it isn't an Aj Brown thing. It's a the receivers
Speaker 3: are not getting the rock. Are we okay with winning
Speaker 3: this way?
Speaker 1: You know? Because I don't think you think it's good enough.
Speaker 1: I assume Jalen Hurts is not happy with the passing game.
Speaker 1: I assume Nick Sirianni's not happy with the passing game.
Speaker 1: Their passing game is declining. If you look at their
Speaker 1: efficiency numbers, it's worse than it was last year overall,
Speaker 1: and it's significantly worse over the last four or five
Speaker 1: weeks than it was the first seven or eight. So
Speaker 1: I think there are opportunities that when they're in the
Speaker 1: meeting rooms where aj Brown and DeVante Smith say throw
Speaker 1: the ball, yeah, and he's not throwing the ball, and
Speaker 1: so I think that's that's their biggest issue. And that
Speaker 1: is something that I don't know if it's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to know if it's what defenses
Speaker 1: are doing to them. They did a good job last
Speaker 1: week Carolina kind of taking away the RPOs, and he
Speaker 1: made some bad decisions on the RPOs and then he's
Speaker 1: just holding onto the ball and the numbers show when
Speaker 1: he is holding onto the ball, it's not going well.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's always been a Jalen Hurst thing. He's
Speaker 3: holds on the ball a lot. I think one question
Speaker 3: I would ask both of you guys early in the
Speaker 3: season issue with him was turnovers, but they were throwing
Speaker 3: the ball at a higher level.
Speaker 1: Do you buy your theory back?
Speaker 3: I think some of the thing as a quarterback, you know,
Speaker 3: you get told not to turn the ball over. You're
Speaker 3: going to miss open receivers because of hesitancy, And when
Speaker 3: I watch them on film, there's throws that I think
Speaker 3: he misses because he's a little hesitant to fire it
Speaker 3: in if it's close, And so do you want that fire.
Speaker 2: Back or say we're winning.
Speaker 3: Without you turn the ball over, We'll deal with the
Speaker 3: overall decline.
Speaker 4: I think you have to try to hit the ceiling
Speaker 4: of what the football team can be, and part of
Speaker 4: that ceiling is going to be turning the ball over.
Speaker 2: You're throwing the ball. Bad things can happen.
Speaker 4: But what we've seen Jalen make plays throughout his career,
Speaker 4: He's not the type of quarterback that you have to hide.
Speaker 4: Right now, he's hiding himself and turtling up and taking sacks,
Speaker 4: and I can see where that's the frustration where Aj
Speaker 4: and DeVante are watching Xavier League at drop a touchdown
Speaker 4: that could have beat them. They feel like they left
Speaker 4: points on the field that they could have gotten. And
Speaker 4: the reason that I'm confident in the Philadelphia Eagles is
Speaker 4: because they can make those plays. And I am banking
Speaker 4: on explosive plays from this Eagles team that we have seen,
Speaker 4: especially from number twenty six, who can make an explosive
Speaker 4: play anytime, Versus the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are on a
Speaker 4: great run. But I feel significantly different about this team.
Speaker 4: If there's no George.
Speaker 1: Pickets and he's doubtful, he's basically not playing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, doubtful from Mike Tomlin, like pre Wednesday, Mike Tomlin's
Speaker 4: going ahead and making out there like this may be
Speaker 4: we might not have George for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the hamstring injury, I guess that he aggrevated
Speaker 1: but really suffered. The injury was at practice Friday, so
Speaker 1: it's not even a week old. There's a couple trends
Speaker 1: in this game that worries you about Pittsburgh. They're all
Speaker 1: about the turnover differential. So maybe this game is the
Speaker 1: game where you're like, Okay, Jalen, keep playing like that,
Speaker 1: because they're plus seventy five in terms of points on
Speaker 1: turnover differential in terms of scoring off turnovers versus giving up,
Speaker 1: and they're also minus twenty seven points in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: They are very slow. It's one of the things that
Speaker 1: as someone who's seen Russell Wilson struggle, and I copped to,
Speaker 1: you know, digging dirt on his grave a little too
Speaker 1: early on our last show. So I won't repeat all
Speaker 1: of that. But one of the things that I see
Speaker 1: too is you still have those half where just there's
Speaker 1: no production, Like they had seven possessions in the first
Speaker 1: half of that game. It like took to their eighth
Speaker 1: possession where they really started moving the ball. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: won't have that time. And so, like I said, they're
Speaker 1: really slow starters. Can you do that against an Eagles
Speaker 1: team that is such so good at being front runners
Speaker 1: And they've been slow starters too, So I guess maybe
Speaker 1: they can cancel each other out. But when when the
Speaker 1: Philly has the ball, it's the it's best on best,
Speaker 1: that O line versus that defensive front, and they've got
Speaker 1: so many pass rushers they can't even play him. Oh
Speaker 1: I need I need more Nick Herberg in my life,
Speaker 1: Like he kind of went back to the bench, and
Speaker 1: he was one of the best pass rushers in the league.
Speaker 1: So you got to find a way to get him
Speaker 1: on the field even more. But it's because they have
Speaker 1: five good pass rushers. So what a great matchup that is.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is you got Tom. You got not
Speaker 1: just the Eagles and the Steelers going against each other,
Speaker 1: you got Tom, Brady and Burkhart going against Nance and
Speaker 1: Romo at the same time. That's the game within the war.
Speaker 1: I think I might. I don't know. Five and a
Speaker 1: half is a lot.
Speaker 2: It is a lognificant out a point. So a team
Speaker 2: that's been squeezing.
Speaker 3: By and like you mentioned, it's probably gonna be three
Speaker 3: to three at halftime. Giving these offense, right, you know,
Speaker 3: need an hour and a half to wake up, you know,
Speaker 3: So we're gonna keep the waking up.
Speaker 4: Nobody's having any issues waking up because the afternoon, this
Speaker 4: is not your naptime. On Sunday, once again reiterating that
Speaker 4: because we have two teams in the thick of playoff hunts,
Speaker 4: one in the NFC, one in the AFC. Greg it
Speaker 4: is early season MVP candidate Baker mayfield Man and the
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the Chargers, who are two and
Speaker 4: a half point favorites. Adam Me and Mark Sanchez and
Speaker 4: Christina Pink on the call, we saw the Chargers use
Speaker 4: lose yet another heartbreaker, probably one of the most heartbreakers
Speaker 4: in this run of losses to the Chiefs this season.
Speaker 1: A lot of them.
Speaker 4: How do they bounce back and do they get the
Speaker 4: win and stay in this wild card hunt?
Speaker 1: And Iday you were saying, like heartbreakers in the Chargers
Speaker 1: Chiefs rivalry, because my god, if you watch the end
Speaker 1: of those games since Herbert got there, it is crazy
Speaker 1: how they all end something like this. This game is
Speaker 1: so fascinating because these two teams are kind of the
Speaker 1: AFC NFC equivalents of each other. They are really uneven.
Speaker 1: The Chargers, like they got the quarterback and they got
Speaker 1: the defense, but the offense just not consistent, not explosive enough.
Speaker 1: The Bucks, they got the offense, they got the play caller,
Speaker 1: but they don't really have the defense right now. They
Speaker 1: don't really have the quarterback right now either. If you
Speaker 1: could switch a couple of the little pieces here, like
Speaker 1: you put Herbert on the Bucks, you might be going
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl or something like you get the Chargers
Speaker 1: defense to the Bucks, you might be going to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But Baker, and this is where I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're lucky. I don't want, you know, if
Speaker 1: I don't see the Bucks game as closely on Sunday
Speaker 1: and then see it later in the week, because I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring the fire.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He's falling apart a little bit right now. Like last
Speaker 1: four games, five touchdowns, four interceptions, eight fumbles. I do
Speaker 1: not think he played that played well on that last game,
Speaker 1: and it's been against some bad competition. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of been the bad Baker under the radar because they've
Speaker 1: mostly been winning. They've been won three in a row.
Speaker 1: But you can't do that against the Chargers, or this
Speaker 1: game won't be close. The Chargers will win it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting with Tampa Bay because they may win
Speaker 3: ANFC South just by default. But I don't think they're
Speaker 3: playing at anywhere near the level that they were playing
Speaker 3: at last season. And you know, I know they had
Speaker 3: some injuries to receivers mid season, but it just felt
Speaker 3: like whenever that happened, the chemistry of the team just
Speaker 3: kind of shifted. To me, I think the health of
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving is going to be a big factor in
Speaker 3: this game. He's been really a big core of their offense.
Speaker 3: I know they ever Shot White and Sean Tucker as well,
Speaker 3: but when he went out last game, you definitely felt
Speaker 3: a shift, a difference in there. I know he's been
Speaker 3: dealing with the you know, the kind of the core injuries,
Speaker 3: and they said he may be okay to play through it,
Speaker 3: but to me, he brings a level of intensity, a
Speaker 3: level of an attitude they need for that offense to
Speaker 3: have success against the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the injury status for a couple of rookies in
Speaker 4: this game, Bucky Irving for the Buccaneers and Lad McConkey
Speaker 4: being there the Chargers beat the Chiefs. In my opinion,
Speaker 4: if he's able to play consistently in that game, you
Speaker 4: having to rely on Josh Palmer and Quentin Johnston so much,
Speaker 4: and it was a different Bucks team. Like the resurgence
Speaker 4: of Bucky Irving was kind of what rescued this offense. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when Baker had things started to go wrong late late
Speaker 4: in the season, and so it makes it a very
Speaker 4: difficult pick. But Greg, we do return back to that
Speaker 4: legendary Thursday night football game where Baker Mayfield saved his career.
Speaker 4: It was there in Sofi Stadium. Oh good, he's been
Speaker 4: vibes and the friendly confines. If this is an opportunity
Speaker 4: for Baker to stick it to.
Speaker 1: You, he's not sticking it to me either, because he's
Speaker 1: I think Liam Cohen is doing a great job cooking
Speaker 1: up this offense. They start really fast, so he'll have
Speaker 1: stretches of games and when it comes down to the
Speaker 1: end of games. I keep repeating myself, but it happened
Speaker 1: again last week. Granted it was against Raiders. He's played
Speaker 1: very well in the last seven eight minutes of games,
Speaker 1: and that's what you want. I gave Gina Smith a
Speaker 1: lot of love for doing that, and Baker Mayfield is
Speaker 1: doing that too. I just worry about the Bucks defense.
Speaker 1: They don't have Antoine Winfield in this game. They're back
Speaker 1: seven has been thinned that the pass rush that they're
Speaker 1: getting is from unblocked you know, blitzers, which they're great
Speaker 1: at doing that. Last week it was Levonte David had
Speaker 1: a bunch of quick pressures. Can you do that against
Speaker 1: the Chargers? Maybe you can that This offensive line has
Speaker 1: been struggling a little bit lately. I think they need
Speaker 1: to run the ball more consistently. They got it going
Speaker 1: a little bit in the second half of that game,
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe there's something there, because it just doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me that this Greg Roman team that
Speaker 1: put all this investment in the offensive lion is not
Speaker 1: been able to run the ball. I think they to
Speaker 1: get to where they want to go, like winning this game.
Speaker 1: This is a huge swing game for these two teams.
Speaker 1: If the Bucks win this game, their schedule is quite easy.
Speaker 1: They are really in great position to win the division.
Speaker 1: And if the Chargers win this game, they're almost locked
Speaker 1: into a wildcard. So it's a big time bonus for
Speaker 1: whoever wins this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think what you're talking about with the
Speaker 3: Bucks struggles, I mean, it's not a great week for
Speaker 3: them to get right.
Speaker 2: The Chargers defense, I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's been a defense in the league
Speaker 3: that's had a better turnaround year year to year than
Speaker 3: the Chargers have had this year, their first in the
Speaker 3: league and scoring defense. And they just play with a
Speaker 3: level of continuity that it's hard to consistently beat them.
Speaker 3: And you really need elite quarterback play. Baker has not
Speaker 3: played elite recently. I think this is a This is
Speaker 3: definitely an opportunity for the Charges to flex flex a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's go and show their.
Speaker 4: Stuff against the Buccaneers defense that's given the second highest
Speaker 4: rate of wide open receivers this year twenty nine point
Speaker 4: seven percent of dropbacks. Somebody's run down the field by
Speaker 4: themselves against this Bucks defense. We'll see if Greg Roman
Speaker 4: can scheme guys open against the Tampa Bay Buckets. Oh,
Speaker 4: come on, old beefs never died. Greg shout out to
Speaker 4: as well. Let's go to it. It game impossible, impossible, Greg,
Speaker 4: for me to pick it is the Indianapolis Colts at
Speaker 4: the Denver who are a four point favorite. Spirodidis out
Speaker 4: of Marshalletta and Addie Kinkabwala on the call. It has
Speaker 4: been very difficult, uh to look at this game, Greg
Speaker 4: and and think about Gus Bradley's defense going up against
Speaker 4: Sean Payton and bow Nicks, one of the best zone
Speaker 4: passers and situations in the league. And then my love
Speaker 4: for Anthony Richardson. I need both of you to help
Speaker 4: me decide how to look at this.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you. I I'm having a
Speaker 1: hard time with it because I got the bow Knicks,
Speaker 1: Army and my mentions because I did not have him
Speaker 1: in my top five Rookie of the year, oh ballot,
Speaker 1: and oh oh boy, the Denver fans they're they're spicy
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm not going to go through all
Speaker 1: those reasons. So in my heart, like it'd be nice
Speaker 1: to give him some humble pie here. But coming off
Speaker 1: coming off of bye week, Gus Bradley versus Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: Now on the flip side, you could say the same
Speaker 1: thing that you know, the Colts have a bye week,
Speaker 1: but that to me is a mismatch. I actually don't
Speaker 1: think these two teams have been that close over the
Speaker 1: course of the season. I think the Broncos have been
Speaker 1: a consistently really good team, and so I'm gonna pick him,
Speaker 1: even though I don't want it to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually don't think this is that hard of
Speaker 2: a pick.
Speaker 3: I think the Broncos and it hurts me to say
Speaker 3: this as a fellow Anthony Richardson believer. I'm a big
Speaker 3: believer in Anthony Richardson. I believe he should not have
Speaker 3: got benched earlier in the season, and he is developing
Speaker 3: to the level that I think he will eventually be.
Speaker 3: I just think this Colts team is not ready, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking less of Anthony Richardson, but more the team
Speaker 3: around him to be able to compete here. They've last
Speaker 3: six games, They're two and four, and their two wins
Speaker 3: have come by one point trius into the Jets, two
Speaker 3: of the worst teams in football, and so this is
Speaker 3: not a team that's that's been punching with contenders over
Speaker 3: the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: And the Broncos.
Speaker 3: I know we talk a lot about bo Knicks, but
Speaker 3: to me, I know last week with standing, their defense
Speaker 3: has been incredibly impressive.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 3: Last you know, Jameis Winston went off on them. He
Speaker 3: you know, Jamis Winston. Somebody's gonna cast a ball game,
Speaker 3: for sure. But I think Vance Joseph has done an
Speaker 3: incredible job for most of the year having them be
Speaker 3: aggressive but also consistent. I was at a game last
Speaker 3: year with the Broncos where they gave up seventy points
Speaker 3: to the Dolphins, and everybody called from them to fire
Speaker 3: the fire vans, fire the defensive coordinator. They're in the
Speaker 3: top three and points per game allowed, next gen stat,
Speaker 3: pressure rate, sacks, all the categories that tend to lead
Speaker 3: to wins. And I think they win this game and
Speaker 3: not only that, And I talked about this on GMFF
Speaker 3: this morning. My hot take is if the Broncos get
Speaker 3: into the playoffs, which I think they do, and if
Speaker 3: they get the right matchup, which is a team we
Speaker 3: just mentioned earlier, I think they pull an upset.
Speaker 1: Well who's the team they mentioned earlier, Buffalo or Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh. Okay, okay, yeah, pull a first round.
Speaker 1: On that is intriguing weight. So you were on Good
Speaker 1: Morning Football this morning Peek behind the curtain. We're in
Speaker 1: the early afternoon here in Los Angeles. So what time
Speaker 1: were you in the facility? Yeah, so I got up
Speaker 1: here probably around five oh five.
Speaker 2: Okay, I walked up.
Speaker 1: We're putting you to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had. I had a late night flight, got
Speaker 3: in about midnight.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I got back to the hotel about one fifteen. I
Speaker 3: got three hours of sleep And al rady, you're rolling.
Speaker 5: That's Philly right there. You know, that's that's that's what
Speaker 5: it is. You know, you just do the work, you know,
Speaker 5: you don't you don't complain. You don't know unless it's
Speaker 5: unless it's related to a sports team. Yes, in which case,
Speaker 5: no matter how good the work.
Speaker 1: Is, Yeah, you complained.
Speaker 3: That's because we our lives are so much of grit
Speaker 3: and work that we expect. There is that level of
Speaker 3: focus and intensity for our teams, and so yeah, the Eagles,
Speaker 3: you know, we need more.
Speaker 4: The reason it's difficult is the level of focus and
Speaker 4: intensity that I've seen late and these two wins on
Speaker 4: the road by this Indianapolis Colts team where Aley Richards
Speaker 4: was getting sold late there were guys like Colin Granson
Speaker 4: had to drop on the final drive and really, I'm
Speaker 4: with you, Cam on the way that this offense is constructed.
Speaker 4: We got a couple of time hands and Grantson and
Speaker 4: mo Aley Cox and all the shots are deep down
Speaker 4: the field, and like the personnel doesn't necessarily match up
Speaker 4: like Alec Pierce and Josh Down's like perfect for this offense,
Speaker 4: but then there's some other.
Speaker 1: Aspects and Downs might not play this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's just but to see Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: late in that game put the team on his back
Speaker 4: and play that way, it's it's almost that that inspiring
Speaker 4: sense of the way I felt about Matthew Stafford against
Speaker 4: the Bills where they have a puncher's chance, when you
Speaker 4: have a guy that can do things that not a
Speaker 4: lot of people can do. And that's that's why it
Speaker 4: makes it difficult because I did. I can't unsee Jerry
Speaker 4: Judy running down the field by himself. It's very difficult
Speaker 4: for me to unsee that because it happened multiple times.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the big reasons that happened was because
Speaker 1: Riley Moss was out, and it sounds like Riley Moss
Speaker 1: could be out not just this week, but a few
Speaker 1: weeks longer. That it was a little more serious and injury.
Speaker 1: And that's a big problem for them just because they
Speaker 1: had two really good corners and when you have a
Speaker 1: all pro corner and certain you need that second to
Speaker 1: be solid. And Moss was that guy and now he's
Speaker 1: not there, So that's that's vulnerable for that.
Speaker 2: One quick thing.
Speaker 3: Patrick on Anthony Richardson, I think you hit it on
Speaker 3: the nose, and it's less related to this game and
Speaker 3: more about his development. It was upsetting just to kind
Speaker 3: of see how all the talk on him was focused
Speaker 3: about having him not being ready.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it, the offense is not ready.
Speaker 3: For he he creates a level of energy that they
Speaker 3: feed off.
Speaker 2: I talked to mo Alei Cox earlier this.
Speaker 3: Year and he was talking about the losing streak where
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson was gone.
Speaker 2: The energy felt sapped out of the building. Like Richardson
Speaker 2: brings that.
Speaker 3: He was like, you can say what you want about
Speaker 3: you know where he is, and you know how much
Speaker 3: work he needs to put in or develop the energy
Speaker 3: where a young team we need that, and this is
Speaker 3: a team that I just think is a is a
Speaker 3: year away from being ready, and I think Richardson got
Speaker 3: the brunt of it, when honestly, it's on the rest
Speaker 3: of the team and.
Speaker 1: On it, okay, but this is an opportunity. Shane Snaiken's
Speaker 1: been in the building with his guy, this guy is
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson for a year and a half. They had
Speaker 1: to reset it this year. They're coming off a bye week.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a coach off, Like you know,
Speaker 1: Stich and we gave Psyching a lot of love. I
Speaker 1: do give him a lot of love, and so come
Speaker 1: up with it, come up with a game plan. You've
Speaker 1: been using Richardson with a lot more design run since
Speaker 1: he came back in the lineup. It's off the charts. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's like eight nine ten a game. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they'll lean to that even more. His numbers
Speaker 1: throwing the ball short are much better. And then on
Speaker 1: the other side, like you gave all this money and
Speaker 1: you drafted lat too in the defensive line. Not a
Speaker 1: lot of teams have been able to pressure Nicks this season,
Speaker 1: but his numbers versus pressure, it's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I didn't have him on my Rookie of the Year list.
Speaker 1: It's they're bad. They're all in the bottom like, they're
Speaker 1: not in the top thirty. All his numbers against pressure
Speaker 1: are bad, So you got the horses, no excuses. I
Speaker 1: think for the colds, I think this is an opportunity, Like,
Speaker 1: if you deserve to make the playoffs, you can go
Speaker 1: win this game. Cam and I both doubt it. But
Speaker 1: if you want to make a pick with your heart,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that crazy got trick.
Speaker 4: No, it is plenty of evidence to say that my
Speaker 4: picks with my heart are Yes.
Speaker 1: Tune into a game debut on NFL Network with me
Speaker 1: and Patrick, especially the standing section right at the beginning.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and we're going
Speaker 1: to get to the primetime game. I'm really excited about
Speaker 1: this one. That's kind of the last of our our
Speaker 1: five pack of great games. To start this skit back
Speaker 1: on NFL Daily with the hardest working man in showbiz,
Speaker 1: Cam Wolf. But it doesn't work hard at the genius
Speaker 1: Wolt Geno's in the building and just grinding tape trying
Speaker 1: to prove us right along with Jordan Love for keeping
Speaker 1: him on Quarterback Island. Those two were probably the two
Speaker 1: last guys on. They both played excellent football last week
Speaker 1: and made us looks fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great quarterback matchup, which.
Speaker 4: Is why it's time for the game of the Week
Speaker 4: presented by Draftking Sportsbook. The Green Bay Packers at the
Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks and over under a forty five and a half.
Speaker 4: It's Sunday Night football, so that means Mike, Chris and
Speaker 4: Melissa on the call, Carrie Underwood in the pregame we
Speaker 4: saw the Fins go up cam to Seattle. That was
Speaker 4: it was one of those without two of games. Let's
Speaker 4: just forget about all that. But since this early part
Speaker 4: of the late season, if that's the way to describe it,
Speaker 4: both the Packers and the Seahawks have been really good.
Speaker 4: How do you view this matchup between again two very
Speaker 4: good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So I know we have the geno love, but I
Speaker 3: love the Packers. Okay, I love the Packers. I saw
Speaker 3: them on Thanksgiving against those Fins that also had an
Speaker 3: embarrassing showing on Thanksgiving. I just think they have a
Speaker 3: level of toughness that I don't know that I fully
Speaker 3: appreciated Matt Lafleora team before seeing them up close. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, we talk about them and their youngest team
Speaker 3: in the league, and they have a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: Jordan Love with the bevy of playmakers, and Jayden Reed
Speaker 3: and Christian Christian Watson. All the play makes down field,
Speaker 3: but when they really needed to lean on Josh Jacobs
Speaker 3: and establish this this physicality, that's when I think they're
Speaker 3: at their best. And when you look at this Packers team,
Speaker 3: they've lost twice since September, both times to the Lions.
Speaker 3: If you don't play the Lions, the Packers are in
Speaker 3: really good shape. And you know, maybe that cost them
Speaker 3: at some point in the playoffs. But I just think
Speaker 3: they are, in my opinion, one of the three or
Speaker 3: four best teams. And then m to me, they're right
Speaker 3: up there. It's them, Minnesota, Philly, and Detroit, and I
Speaker 3: think that's that's your group, that's your your your four,
Speaker 3: and I think Seattle's just on the outside. I've got
Speaker 3: too much inconsistency from Seattle for it to you know,
Speaker 3: transfer over. And so home game for Seattle, they certainly
Speaker 3: got the twelfth man there, Gino. Gino is gonna be Gino.
Speaker 3: But I like this Packers defense. I like their run
Speaker 3: game to come in there and make some noise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense to me. And yet they're catching
Speaker 1: the Seahawks at the wrong time for straight wins for them.
Speaker 1: The offensive line for the Seahawks has started to play well.
Speaker 1: I'm or much better, I should say, like all I've
Speaker 1: wanted watching Gino every week is just give them a
Speaker 1: passable offensive line. They had their center retire, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: and the kid that replaced him has played pretty well.
Speaker 1: And then they get their right tackle back, Abe Lucas.
Speaker 1: You get better players just settled down. They've been solid,
Speaker 1: and then they started to run block pretty well last week.
Speaker 1: And you think this matchup against the Packers, I look
Speaker 1: at who is going to get more pressure on the
Speaker 1: opposing quarterback. Usually that's Seattle's opponent. But the way Seattle's
Speaker 1: you know, pass protection has been lately, and green Bay's
Speaker 1: pass rushes is pretty vanilla. It's it's not consistent. And Seattle,
Speaker 1: on the other hand's got five different guys who have
Speaker 1: a ten percent pressure rate plus only or I think
Speaker 1: there's only two teams in the league with that many
Speaker 1: different guys. They're hitting the Blitzeres Jordan Loves struggled sometimes Blitzer.
Speaker 1: So if Seattle is a team that gets more pressure
Speaker 1: than green Bay, Seattle's definitely got a shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Packers' fourth lowest pressure rate in the league, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, they do not get consistent pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, the Seahawks consistency is my issue,
Speaker 3: but I also like their spurts Jackson Smith and Jig.
Speaker 3: But when he's on has been a top ten receiver
Speaker 3: in football this year at his peak, you know, they've
Speaker 3: had massive games out of him, and I like that
Speaker 3: they've shifted the offense a little bit more to focus
Speaker 3: on him as the primary. I think it was maybe
Speaker 3: a year or two late. I think we could have
Speaker 3: got this last year. But you know, you've got to
Speaker 3: respect your Tyler Lockett and.
Speaker 1: He might have not been ready either. Is tough out
Speaker 1: here for the rookie receivers.
Speaker 2: I understand that.
Speaker 3: But I think the motion element for Jackson Smith and
Speaker 3: Jiggle has really helped this offense because when you look
Speaker 3: at Seattle, his motion creates so much attention change to
Speaker 3: what they do defensively, and I think it opens up
Speaker 3: lanes for you know, whether it's Kenneth Walker or Zach Charboney,
Speaker 3: but also the other receivers in DK In particular, I
Speaker 3: think he's in the top seven in motion rounds and
Speaker 3: so that kind of just shows how much they use
Speaker 3: him as a focal point, kind of like how you
Speaker 3: know the four and Niners will do with Deebo or
Speaker 3: the Miami'll do with Tyreek Hill. He becomes that guy
Speaker 3: that getses everybody's eyes, and I think that's definitely their
Speaker 3: difference maker in this matchup. Can they get Jackson Smith
Speaker 3: and Jigba to create more chaos in the Packers defense
Speaker 3: than you know, Xavier McKinney does and those guys with
Speaker 3: their playmaking ability.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Packers want of my picks to go to
Speaker 4: the super Bowl at the start of the season, right,
Speaker 4: and I still feel solid about this team. But the
Speaker 4: defense has been consistently mid right, especially in terms of
Speaker 4: rushing the passer where you flip the script and we've
Speaker 4: seen the bad Seattle Seahawks defense in these past few weeks,
Speaker 4: we've seen a very very solid Seattle Seahawks defense that's
Speaker 4: been consistent. We've seen a Seahawks offense that was making
Speaker 4: frankly hilarious mistakes, big losses on bad snaps, turnovers in
Speaker 4: the red zone. And now they've been an exceedingly safe
Speaker 4: and reliable and responsible offense during this run where they
Speaker 4: get him at home. Yeah, and a home underdog. I
Speaker 4: can't help but feel good about geno.
Speaker 1: Oh so we might be parking our car in the
Speaker 1: same grasc here. Yeah, I mean, I think I just
Speaker 1: want to I want this to happen, and it's close
Speaker 1: enough that i'll I'll probably take it. But I do
Speaker 1: think there are real reasons to believe to believe in it.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned JSN. He has the most yards
Speaker 1: in the slot in the NFL, but by far this year,
Speaker 1: I really liked the Charbonnet backfield. And so even if
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is back and it's not like day yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely not likely, at least as we
Speaker 1: tape this, I think he'll be a bigger part of that.
Speaker 1: It's the one thing I would worry about more than
Speaker 1: anything from a Seattle perspective. Is okay, it's a real
Speaker 1: test for their run defense going up against Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: in this group, who their offensive line I saw from
Speaker 1: next Gen stats had the second most amount of snaps
Speaker 1: together as a five pack, and they just throw every
Speaker 1: scheme at you. So they've been playing well stopping the run,
Speaker 1: but they were a team that really struggled early in
Speaker 1: the season. They missed a lot of tackles over and over.
Speaker 1: I know they changed their linebackers out and stuff, but
Speaker 1: the Packers will really test you, and that I think
Speaker 1: is what one concern.
Speaker 2: But it's the system stopper. That's why Mike Mac is there.
Speaker 1: That's true. Is that system that's true. He's the Shanahan
Speaker 1: Tree stopper. Let's go, Mike Mac. Greg's definitely taking Seattle,
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Speaker 4: Gotta go back to cam here, We'll go a teed
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Speaker 2: Gre on.
Speaker 1: That's all I mean, it's all good, It's all.
Speaker 2: Good, all good, the Miami Dolphins cam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the road, still in the hunt, still in
Speaker 4: this playoff picture. They get the overtime win, late Tyreek
Speaker 4: scores on a fourth down, they get the two point conversion,
Speaker 4: they get the John Neu Smith walk off touchdown. Right
Speaker 4: back at it. The very next week against the Houston Texans,
Speaker 4: who didn't have an overtime game, they didn't have a
Speaker 4: game at all. They're two and a half point favoritesly
Speaker 4: over under his forty seven Kevin Harland, Trent Green, Melody
Speaker 4: Collins on the call.
Speaker 2: Can the Fins do this? They can, but ultimately it
Speaker 2: may not be enough.
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this Dolphins team a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, in the post to spectrum. They played really
Speaker 3: great ball to it leads the NFL on completion percentage
Speaker 3: passing yards, but theyre just has felt something missing with
Speaker 3: this Dolphins team all year. And once you start to
Speaker 3: believe with them, I call it hopium, it's a dangerous
Speaker 3: it's a dangerous rug. Once you start to believe that
Speaker 3: there's a chance, you get burnt. And that was the
Speaker 3: Green Bay game for a lot of folks. You know,
Speaker 3: you finally think, oh, it's time for them to finally
Speaker 3: prove wrong that they can play in cold weather and
Speaker 3: in primetime. And then they lay an egg and then
Speaker 3: they beat the Jets and it's like, well they beat
Speaker 3: the Jets, so can we And whether they win this
Speaker 3: game or not, I just don't think they have enough
Speaker 3: as a team this year. I will say, what's so
Speaker 3: interesting about this This upshoot of Tua through this last
Speaker 3: portion of the year, is that we're seeing a different
Speaker 3: evolution of a Mike McDaniel offense.
Speaker 2: They for a long time.
Speaker 3: Been even though we talked about Tyreek and Waddle, they
Speaker 3: had had their run game as a pillar. They've really
Speaker 3: struggled to run the ball. For the last month or two.
Speaker 3: They've been two three yards per carry and they've essentially
Speaker 3: abandoned it as the core of their offense. And that's
Speaker 3: why you're seeing to a throw forty seven times like
Speaker 3: he did against the Jets, didn't get hit one time because,
Speaker 3: as Jets defender told me last week, he had never
Speaker 3: seen a quarterback where every single time his third foot
Speaker 3: hit the back the.
Speaker 2: Ball was out.
Speaker 3: It was It's literally like a science. His timing. That's
Speaker 3: his superpower. People want to know what to a superpower is.
Speaker 3: It's timing, anticipation. They're special in that area. But they
Speaker 3: have a lot of question marks on defense, and if
Speaker 3: we get the right level of the Texans, I think
Speaker 3: they can expose some of their balls on defense.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: These two teams I think are similar in some ways
Speaker 1: that something's been missing. Yeah, the Texans are barely favored
Speaker 1: in this game, even though they're at home and they
Speaker 1: have the better record because they were so disappointing on
Speaker 1: offense going into their buy last time we saw them.
Speaker 1: You know, the Titans beat him a couple of games
Speaker 1: before the bye, and then you know they're scraping out
Speaker 1: a win where mac Jones has a couple fourth quarter
Speaker 1: touchdowns on them that the next week after that, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if Bobby Slowick and this Texans offensive staff
Speaker 1: and CJ can come up with answers during the bye week.
Speaker 1: That's always the hope that you can come back looking
Speaker 1: a little better because they have not been able to
Speaker 1: run the ball. He hasn't been consistent CJ Stroud in
Speaker 1: terms of his confidence and letting go of the ball sometimes.
Speaker 1: And he'll have a lot of great throws he did
Speaker 1: in that Jaguars games, but then he'll have a lot
Speaker 1: of curious plays that you didn't really see as a rookie.
Speaker 1: So this Dolphins defense hasn't been great by any means.
Speaker 1: Probably the best, most consistent units in this game will
Speaker 1: be going up against each other. It's a great matchup
Speaker 1: when the Texans defense is one of the best in
Speaker 1: the league. And hopefully he's a little healthier here goes
Speaker 1: up against Toua and so it's weakness on weakness and
Speaker 1: strength and strength in this game.
Speaker 4: I was glad to see Chop Robinson come back in
Speaker 4: the game against the Jets because when they initially drafted him, right,
Speaker 4: Chopp was coming in as this high upside guy, which
Speaker 4: you didn't necessarily know what the floor was. But then
Speaker 4: they have the injuries on edge and they need him
Speaker 4: to produce, and Chop is produced. Yeah, he's played pretty well.
Speaker 4: And then over on this Texans pass rush where they
Speaker 4: have one of the lowest time to throws in the
Speaker 4: entire NFL, does that help you with geinst The Miami
Speaker 4: Dolphins like the way that this pass rush works in
Speaker 4: league with the coverage. If two is getting the rid
Speaker 4: of the ball as quickly as he normally does, does
Speaker 4: that kind of take away one of the biggest strengths
Speaker 4: on this side of the ball, where that's where the
Speaker 4: Texans have the advantage. Yeah, in terms of health. They
Speaker 4: get some guys back on that defense this week, So.
Speaker 1: It's maybe Christian Harrison, probably not Jalen Petrie. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for the updates.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still, so we have to to wait on you know,
Speaker 4: a big part of their secondary. But I just when
Speaker 4: Tua is on right and late, it's such a key difference.
Speaker 4: Where I felt like on that fourth down call against
Speaker 4: the Jets, where the things that didn't work on the
Speaker 4: goal line stand on Thanksgiving against the Packers where they'd
Speaker 4: still had a chance to make it that game, it's
Speaker 4: like alec Ingold's in and they're going heavy, and it's
Speaker 4: just like at a certain point you just have to
Speaker 4: be who you are. Let's spread the ball around and
Speaker 4: let the quarterback who gets rid of the ball quickly
Speaker 4: do just that.
Speaker 1: To fast people, it's just such a small margin that
Speaker 1: they're threading, and they are threading it, but it's like
Speaker 1: they don't really throw the ball deep, they can't run
Speaker 1: the ball. They're bad and short yardage. And yet they're
Speaker 1: one of the better offenses in the league because they're
Speaker 1: that good at the thing that they do, which is
Speaker 1: throw it with timing. But you got to be great
Speaker 1: on third downs, and they were all season. Tua was
Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes god mode. But last week they weren't.
Speaker 1: And that's why you almost, you know, gave up, gave
Speaker 1: up a loss to the Jets or whatever. So it's
Speaker 1: a hard way to live. They could do it though,
Speaker 1: because they have.
Speaker 3: It's a great point there. I'm curious to see what
Speaker 3: scheme Demiko puts out for this game against them, because
Speaker 3: you mentioned it. Teams have played in an immense amount
Speaker 3: of cover to too high against them with the idea
Speaker 3: of taking away Tyrek and Waddle, almost to the point
Speaker 3: that I think the Dolphins have permanently changed her at
Speaker 3: least for this season, changed their offense to where they
Speaker 3: don't even try deep. You know, it's a very much
Speaker 3: funnel offense where it's a lot of screens, a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of checkdowns, and they didn't not did
Speaker 3: It didn't used to be this, and so it makes
Speaker 3: me wonder is this gone completely or is it based
Speaker 3: off of just the adjustment of how defenses play them.
Speaker 3: If if the Texans are willing to play a little
Speaker 3: bit closer to the line of scrimmage and jump these passes,
Speaker 3: I wonder if they can have their way.
Speaker 2: It's a big risk with Tyreek.
Speaker 3: And Waddle on that side of the field, but but
Speaker 3: it's it's it's something that I think would be intriguing,
Speaker 3: especially for the pass russ element. One thing to watch.
Speaker 3: Toront Armstead has been dealing with a knee injury. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be tough for him to go this week. As
Speaker 3: he came out after about what one drive last week,
Speaker 3: you could see him get a little emotional during a game.
Speaker 3: I talked to him in the locker room. He's dealing
Speaker 3: with something that's a little bit more serious than he should.
Speaker 3: He probably should be playing through. But you know, this
Speaker 3: is a guy who may or may not be his
Speaker 3: last year, and you know, I think he takes a
Speaker 3: lot of pride in this stuff. They got Patrick Paul
Speaker 3: who they drafted in the second round, who stepped in
Speaker 3: and left tackle and played pretty decent and to his timing,
Speaker 3: maybe you can get away with it, but that could
Speaker 3: be an area that Daniel Hunter and that defense can
Speaker 3: particularly expose. So pass rush on both sides is something
Speaker 3: I want to see. I love you to mention Patrick A.
Speaker 3: Chopp Robinson thirty one pressures since Week eight for him,
Speaker 3: top five in the NFL. So a guy who people
Speaker 3: wondered is is you know too small?
Speaker 2: Is he a bust? Just give him time.
Speaker 3: He's come along and so pass rush, I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a big factors.
Speaker 1: A huge game for both teams. Because Miami, this could
Speaker 1: be how their season ends, like yep, but if he
Speaker 1: can get the win. They're seven and seven and they
Speaker 1: played three three losing teams down the stretch. One of
Speaker 1: them is the forty nine Ers is a good losing team.
Speaker 1: But still there's a path. There is a path. So
Speaker 1: and the Texans on the flip side, they literally can
Speaker 1: win the AFC South this week. They can clinch it
Speaker 1: this week if the Colts lose and they win. But
Speaker 1: if you just flip that those scenarios, then suddenly the
Speaker 1: Colts are only one game back and and a lot
Speaker 1: will be decided in this one.
Speaker 3: So so AFC and NFC North EC and NFC South
Speaker 3: for both divisions. So somebody's gonna win it by default.
Speaker 3: One fun story on the Dolphins playoff chances. I was
Speaker 3: talking to kalay As Campbell in the locker room after
Speaker 3: this game, and you know, he's talking about you know,
Speaker 3: the game and whatnot, and he's like, but Cam, every
Speaker 3: time we need somebody to lose, they don't lose.
Speaker 1: The Broncos the culture, can you tell them to lose?
Speaker 3: And I don't really have that power plays or if
Speaker 3: they listen to me, but yeah, Miami needs a lot
Speaker 3: of help from the Broncos and other teams, but they
Speaker 3: can help themselves by just handling business. And this is
Speaker 3: a game that I think they can win. They with
Speaker 3: their talent, they probably should win. With the Texans inconsistence.
Speaker 4: A player asking you to have another team lose makes
Speaker 4: me think of when.
Speaker 2: People ask us for Super Bowl tickets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as if, as if we possess that particular power
Speaker 4: from one team that's very hopeful, maybe hanging on to
Speaker 4: some playoff hopium, to a team that's definitely hanging on
Speaker 4: to some playoff hopium. The Cincinnati Bengals greg fresh off
Speaker 4: of their somehow victory on Monday Night Football against the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys, taking on the Tennessee Titans. The over under
Speaker 4: forty six and a half. Kevin Coogler, Mose Johnston, and
Speaker 4: Laura Open on the call, where Tennessee played in a
Speaker 4: dreadful game a week ago, Can they get back up
Speaker 4: and take on this this really special connection between Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow and jamar Chi.
Speaker 1: No, probably not. They're one of those teams that, like,
Speaker 1: if you look at the numbers, sometimes you hear the
Speaker 1: announcers the number one pass defense and it's just they're
Speaker 1: not effective stopping the pass. Just teams don't even need
Speaker 1: to pass against them, so the yardage is low because
Speaker 1: they're always ahead of them, so they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to pass against them. And maybe it is Hope him.
Speaker 1: But they got the Titans and then they got the
Speaker 1: Browns next week. That's a division game that they've.
Speaker 2: Had to do. Sell Biggles fans some home.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying when they're seven and eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they're seven and eight mm hm, they will be
Speaker 1: alive very likely. And we're gonna be entering week seventeen
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be talking about the scenarios of like wey,
Speaker 1: the Bengals aren't totally out of it yet. That's a
Speaker 1: path that I do see happening for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: This has been one of the most befuddling, wasted seasons
Speaker 3: that I can remember with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chay. Like,
Speaker 3: this is the best season Joe Burrow's had in his
Speaker 3: pro This may be the best season Jamar Chase has
Speaker 3: had when he's been healthy as a pro. Right, and
Speaker 3: they're five and eight and it's it's it's interesting because
Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago, lou Ana Rumo was
Speaker 3: getting the head coach love. I think he's a really
Speaker 3: good defensive mind. This year, for whatever reason, it just
Speaker 3: is not worked. I was watching the game and it was
Speaker 3: so funny because he's almost like throwing his hands up
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna try whatever. I don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of confidence and what working. Like they went back to
Speaker 3: playing a lot of single high this past week and
Speaker 3: it still didn't work. Like it doesn't matter if they're
Speaker 3: playing heavy zone, if they're blitzing or not blitzing, they're
Speaker 3: just getting beat.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're talented.
Speaker 2: That's it is Trey Henderson. Trey Henderson and a bunch
Speaker 2: of guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, with all due respect, they have talent
Speaker 3: because they're NFL players, But in respect to the rest
Speaker 3: of the league, like maybe two or three guys on
Speaker 3: that team of start on another plane and.
Speaker 1: Some of them are hanging on from the previous time,
Speaker 1: so you think they're good. Hubbard got a good condact,
Speaker 1: but he's not playing like a good player. Jermaine Pratt
Speaker 1: has been there for a long time, but he's not
Speaker 1: playing well.
Speaker 2: Like Cam Taylor, it same way he had it.
Speaker 1: The rookie Yeah, the dbs that they drafted, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we love to put it all on coordinators.
Speaker 1: We probably give him too much credit, Like his players
Speaker 1: were way better in twenty twenty one. Those players deserve
Speaker 1: the credit and now they're not that good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's ultimately where I have I can't think
Speaker 4: of a team that we have seen have so much
Speaker 4: success with the same guys where whether it's they all
Speaker 4: get hurt but they're still playing, did they all get
Speaker 4: old at the same time? Like, it was a sad
Speaker 4: experience to see Mike Hilton matched up with CD Lamb
Speaker 4: on the goal line and get absolutely diced up to
Speaker 4: the point where CD is opened by six or seven yards.
Speaker 4: They were only on the nine yard line in the
Speaker 4: first place. The Cooper rushed thrown from the shotgun. So
Speaker 4: there's just you've seen the defense fall off, but with
Speaker 4: what the offense is doing, Like, yeah, it's gonna matter
Speaker 4: against a whole lot of teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even Chase Brown's getting it done. Chase Brown's had
Speaker 1: a nice little bump in his career. We haven't mentioned
Speaker 1: him much on the show. He is playing really well.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. One just really small note on
Speaker 1: the Titans, which I just hadn't mentioned with trail On
Speaker 1: Burkes went to IR last week. It did not come
Speaker 1: up on NFL Daily. It's just disappointing first round pick
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago, only ended up having
Speaker 1: five catches this year and probably moving on after this year.
Speaker 1: Just kind of one that did not work out for
Speaker 1: them unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, roughly, trust I still remember the the Mike Vrabel
Speaker 3: video as he gets up as they trade AJ Brown,
Speaker 3: and you know you can tell he's not happy. He
Speaker 3: just gets up and you knew he was right then.
Speaker 1: But you know, just for that, you can trace their
Speaker 1: three and ten record and everything that's happened since to
Speaker 1: that moment. I really believe that.
Speaker 3: For sure, because you lose the spirit of a team
Speaker 3: sometimes too, and.
Speaker 1: It broke up the front office, coach. It just led
Speaker 1: to a bunch of it. Just that was it. That
Speaker 1: was a franchise like changing mistake.
Speaker 4: People saw the Stefan Diggs trade and they draft one
Speaker 4: of the best receivers in the NFL and Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2: That's not you can't duplicate that. You'll get it justin Jefferson. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: it's very simple. Kill the Batman.
Speaker 4: Let's go to the Washington Commanders back off of the
Speaker 4: buy seven and a half point favorites against whomever we'll
Speaker 4: start at quarterback for the New Orleans Saints. As we
Speaker 4: watch to see if it's Spencer Rattler or if it's
Speaker 4: the other option.
Speaker 1: Jay can or Jay Hayner. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Ja Cayner forty, but we don't know as of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still waiting for some confirmation there. Kenny Albert, Jonathan Vilma,
Speaker 4: Megan o'levy on the call. Uh, the question is does
Speaker 4: it matter camp Well who starts.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. It doesn't matter at all.
Speaker 3: The Saints are one of those teams where, look, Darren
Speaker 3: Rizzy's been coaching his butt off, but at some point
Speaker 3: you just lose enough bullets where you wonder what level
Speaker 3: of fight you start to have. And I'm interested in
Speaker 3: what we see from Washington coming off this bye week
Speaker 3: because you know, I have the understanding that Jayden Daniels
Speaker 3: was battling through a little bit more than even maybe
Speaker 3: his coach was letting on what was limiting.
Speaker 1: Him entry, and so he's got that insight.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you know, don't always listen to what
Speaker 3: your your your head coaches say in press conferences.
Speaker 2: Some of that's protecting your your guy.
Speaker 3: But you know time rest will help a quarterback, and
Speaker 3: last week we saw him put forty two up against
Speaker 3: the Titans. This week, I think you can have a
Speaker 3: similar day. I think that they're gonna come out blazing.
Speaker 3: I think that this is a team that when all
Speaker 3: cylinders are functioning like they were early in this season,
Speaker 3: they're one of their better offenses in football.
Speaker 2: And I think we see an elite Jaye Daniels this week.
Speaker 1: So to just close the circle on the quarterback thing,
Speaker 1: Dearan Rizzy said they're going to compete at practice, which
Speaker 1: is just funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like a college coach who doesn't know,
Speaker 3: like neither of these guys are good enough to be
Speaker 3: the starter.
Speaker 1: But I just think he's lying. That's my guess that
Speaker 1: he knows.
Speaker 4: Oh, he's trying to game dan Quinn and say like,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to prepare for both Jake and Spencer Rattler, do.
Speaker 1: We I don't know. They are kind of different. You know,
Speaker 1: Rattler is a big arm player who's gonna make some
Speaker 1: crazy plays his sack like his sack rate when he
Speaker 1: played was one of the worst in NFL history if
Speaker 1: it continued. But he's more talented that We're sleeping on
Speaker 1: the big story here though, I mean the big story
Speaker 1: at least in New Orleans for this game. This is
Speaker 1: the Marshawn Lattimore revenge game. This is going to be
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lattimore's first game as a Commander. He's practicing fully,
Speaker 1: so I'm just assuming at this point, although you don't
Speaker 1: really know why you laughing so.
Speaker 4: Well, if Dennis Allen was still kascher like Sewan will
Speaker 4: go over across the field deaf for everybody else, they'll
Speaker 4: hug Well.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and he got paid from New Orleans.
Speaker 1: It's not like he even holds anamosity to the front office.
Speaker 1: But he had some issues with the coaches, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if Commanders would have made that trade if
Speaker 1: they knew he was going to be out a month.
Speaker 1: Maybe they did know he was going to be out
Speaker 1: a month, but it short, it doesn't matter. In the end.
Speaker 1: They're in position to go make a playoffs and they
Speaker 1: just added a number one cornerback to their team. Now
Speaker 1: he doesn't have anyone to cover this because he out
Speaker 1: there to.
Speaker 4: Lock up Marcos Veldez scallet Grew.
Speaker 3: It's funny because he got traded and he hadn't played
Speaker 3: in a month, but we almost forget about him.
Speaker 1: Wait, because he hadn't played it for three weeks before
Speaker 1: that for the Saints either. But he's a big time
Speaker 1: addition and Saints fans who've been watching Zach Bond play
Speaker 1: like an All Pro they're just waiting for They're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: Sean's just kind of come out there and he's going
Speaker 1: to have two interceptions and he's gonna do it. I actually,
Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking about it more, Darren Rizzley's going
Speaker 1: to get the call from Mickey Loomis and Jmmy says,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you guys do. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't bother you with the game plan or anything. It's like,
Speaker 1: you do not throw the ball at Marshawn Lattenmore. No
Speaker 1: matter what happens in this game, we will not be embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I don't care if we lose by thirty. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he would do something crazy. Tom would go go go
Speaker 1: in the middle of the logo. You know, it's something wild.
Speaker 4: It just hit me that you know, playoff situations hold,
Speaker 4: we might get Marshawn versus Mike Evans in the playoffs
Speaker 4: depending on five matchups. So yeah, depending on some circumstances. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's something to look forward to. I guess Washington would
Speaker 4: have to win some games. Yeah, one quick thing about Washington.
Speaker 4: I'm curious your thoughts. Do you believe in Washington? You know,
Speaker 4: beyond this week? I'm talking about like as a contender.
Speaker 3: Like, I was just looking up Washington's numbers seven and
Speaker 3: one this year against the teams with a losing record,
Speaker 3: one in three against teams with a winning record. Do
Speaker 3: we know enough about this Washington team to think can
Speaker 3: they win a playoff game?
Speaker 1: I think worst teams have like the Giants a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. It happens even the even though, like,
Speaker 1: are they close around the same level the Bucks were
Speaker 1: last year where they could start playing better down the
Speaker 1: stretch and be a little more than the some of
Speaker 1: their parts, Yeah, I think they could, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they're that. I don't think they're talented enough. So
Speaker 1: I think they've They've done a great job with what
Speaker 1: they have, and they probably fit the normal profile of
Speaker 1: a six or a seven seed. That won't win a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a team that can that could beat anybody.
Speaker 4: Right, when we've seen that they are good and serviceable,
Speaker 4: and let's go to a team that can also beat anybody.
Speaker 2: They could also lose to anybody. Their sixteen point favorites.
Speaker 1: Wow, the biggest one of the year.
Speaker 2: Is this the biggest year?
Speaker 1: That is that is going up against all Right, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that, willy nilly, but I haven't.
Speaker 4: I think fourteen and a half was as high as
Speaker 4: sixteen as as you've gotten is huge.
Speaker 2: Over under forty two and a half.
Speaker 4: So they think most of those points will be scored
Speaker 4: by the Baltimore Ravens, Andrew Cattle on Tiki Barber and
Speaker 4: Jason mccordy AJ Ross on the call.
Speaker 2: Greg. Does Tommy DeVito break my heart?
Speaker 1: No way? That's why then moved even since this morning
Speaker 1: because I checked this morning and I don't think it
Speaker 1: was a high like the Locke to de Vito change,
Speaker 1: got it moved about a point or something, I guess.
Speaker 3: Oh, so Locke is considerably better than de Vito from Vegas.
Speaker 1: Vegas thinks that we think, Yeah, I think maybe I
Speaker 1: think he might be that that much better. I don't
Speaker 1: know who. Like the vibes are gonna be horrendous there
Speaker 1: with the Giants, Like it's not a home field advantage.
Speaker 1: Baltimore is coming off of bye week. The just when
Speaker 1: Lamar made those comments when they lost to Philadelphia how
Speaker 1: ready he was to get back to it, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's a hard knock thing. I'm watching them. I'm just like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna come out and they're gonna want
Speaker 1: to just put it on the Giants. They're capable of
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 4: Patrick, I would, I would hope, So I would prefer
Speaker 4: the things are the improvements in the past Rush have
Speaker 4: been something to feel positive about.
Speaker 1: The Giants have no healthy offensive lineman, by the way,
Speaker 1: like even their backups keep getting hurt. They they are
Speaker 1: in a tough spot for Dabo, Like no one could
Speaker 1: do well with this situation. I think at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough ask and that the hope that
Speaker 4: I'm taking, you know, maybe Cam that the relationship with
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson is healed, that perhaps there's been hugs dished
Speaker 4: out in Owings Mills and the offense can can really
Speaker 4: get back on track. Because there's there's been some ups
Speaker 4: and downs here as of late, and also put the
Speaker 4: ball in the chest to number twenty two, let him
Speaker 4: get one hundred and fifteen and sit him down, put
Speaker 4: him on ice to get ready for the Steelers game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe by the middle of the second quarter.
Speaker 3: Over under Malik Neighbors outbursts in this game. I feel
Speaker 3: bad for Elie because he's a He's actually a really
Speaker 3: good player, and I think he probably feared this type
Speaker 3: of situation happening. He gets the notion of a diva receiver,
Speaker 3: but it's just been awful. It's been an awful situation
Speaker 3: for him, and I hope he gets a quarterback in April.
Speaker 1: I hear you. And it'll be interesting to see who
Speaker 1: lines up against. The Ravens made a couple of little
Speaker 1: changes before thereby or Wiggins was playing more, Trudavious White
Speaker 1: was playing more, Brandon Stevens playing less. They were playing
Speaker 1: who's that guy Chris Board at linebacker over Trent Simpsons.
Speaker 1: So I do have faith in the Ravens because they've
Speaker 1: done it year after year that they fix what's wrong,
Speaker 1: and so that I would like to see their defense
Speaker 1: just completely dominating. And no, it's not gonna tell you
Speaker 1: everything but good teams do blow out bad team.
Speaker 2: So this feels like an elite Ravens defense week. Let's go,
Speaker 2: let's go let them all.
Speaker 1: Right, We're gonna take one more break. I know I
Speaker 1: wish I saw that as the pickup in my league,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I should have done that.
Speaker 1: We'll be back after this, back on NFL Daily. Still
Speaker 1: haven't made a survivor pick. I checked out Commandos and
Speaker 1: we just took them a couple of weeks ago, so
Speaker 1: that was not an option cam. I know it's been
Speaker 1: getting a lot of buzz nationally, but Patrick and Steve
Speaker 1: is usually in that chair. We're on a streak like
Speaker 1: no other since week three, and so we're just trying
Speaker 1: to keep it going. We got an option here. Cowboys
Speaker 1: and Panthers are both available as options. I don't personally
Speaker 1: feel comfortable taking either one of those.
Speaker 4: We've had some discomfort here in the past a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks, but have managed to survive the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 4: in Charlotte at the Carolina Panthers, who are favored by three.
Speaker 4: Greg has not picked them. I have not picked them
Speaker 4: that this year, and this time they are favorite. Joe Davis,
Speaker 4: g Red calling a Panthers game, talk about vibes. Pam
Speaker 4: Oliver on the call cam. Do you believe the Panthers
Speaker 4: gonna win this week? I do believe the Panthers get
Speaker 4: to win. Yeah, so much so that I would pick
Speaker 4: them in the Survivors League. I think that Bryce Young
Speaker 4: and the Panthers have been playing at least average level
Speaker 4: ball since he's come back from the benching. I know
Speaker 4: that's what does that mean?
Speaker 3: But like they were the one of the worst teams
Speaker 3: of football, I think they've risen that level to where
Speaker 3: they give every team they've played a scare. Like they
Speaker 3: gave the Eagles a scare they gave who they played
Speaker 3: the week before that they gave the Chiefs. This is
Speaker 3: a legitimate team and I think brace Young. It's one
Speaker 3: of my favorite stories of the year of how he's
Speaker 3: responded to that benching, because this is a guy who
Speaker 3: they look like they were ready to.
Speaker 2: Move on from.
Speaker 3: They looked like they were ready to, you know, go
Speaker 3: ahead and call it, we're gonna draft a quarterback next year.
Speaker 3: And I think what he's done over the second half
Speaker 3: of the year has helped them feel like we can
Speaker 3: still build around this young quarterback. He's playing with a
Speaker 3: level of confidence he didn't play before, a level of precision.
Speaker 3: Some of the passes he was making against Philly last
Speaker 3: week were just and just. The team listens to him,
Speaker 3: like you could just see as they were going, even
Speaker 3: through the late late huddle situations, no huddle situations, he
Speaker 3: was commanding the team. I like the Panthers this week.
Speaker 3: I think that loss the Cowboys had last week was
Speaker 3: the straw that breaks them and fight short.
Speaker 1: They were on the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were holding out hope. You know, you win
Speaker 3: that week, you can go ten and seven, make a run.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any hope. I'm left in Dallas.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I'm intrigued. I got to
Speaker 1: say that I think there's two options. We're going to
Speaker 1: get to the second one later and we'll discuss it
Speaker 1: at that point, but they are a legitimate option. The
Speaker 1: plans kind of work build around a running game that'll
Speaker 1: end up helping Braysong. It took a minute to get going,
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely working. We haven't mentioned on the show
Speaker 1: the results of the Demarvion overshone test results, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: he tore three knee ligaments and so that's a really
Speaker 1: heartbreaking recovery that he's going to have to go through.
Speaker 1: He puts his entire twenty twenty five in jeopardy after
Speaker 1: he missed most of his rookie season as well. So
Speaker 1: you really hope for him. And he was a great
Speaker 1: young core player for them to build around, and so
Speaker 1: that that'll be tough for them to recover from. Even
Speaker 1: just on the field this week. They only have so
Speaker 1: many defensive playmakers and he really helped Mike Parsons by
Speaker 1: being another one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a rangy, athletic linebacker can make plays in
Speaker 4: the past game, pass rush could do it all. A
Speaker 4: rough spot. Two teams that feel like they're moving in
Speaker 4: different directions. How two teams moving in similar directions as
Speaker 4: the New York Jets are three point favorites correct at
Speaker 4: the Jacksonville Jaguars the over under forty and a half.
Speaker 4: Chris Meyers, Mark Schlath, and Jen Hale on the call.
Speaker 4: Jets losing overtime in Florida a week ago, losing regular
Speaker 4: tom in Florida this week.
Speaker 1: No, I would take the Jets. I don't know. This
Speaker 1: would be a next level of fraud.
Speaker 2: Watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been with The Jets have been on our
Speaker 1: fraud watch all year long. Now they are available, we
Speaker 1: could go really crazy and go with them as a
Speaker 1: survivor paper being that lake out there before. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would never do that. Aaron Riders did look better last week.
Speaker 1: Thought it was his best game. Thought he moved well.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't punt the ball until like the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Fashion New looks like a good young left tackle.
Speaker 1: So they have some things that they like, like it
Speaker 1: was the DeVante Adams kind of expect to see. Everyone
Speaker 1: seemed like they had a little extra juice. I don't
Speaker 1: know why that is, but it's just something kind of watching.
Speaker 1: This is a great matchup for them. So if if
Speaker 1: you got Davante and Gary Wilson in fantasy, like I do, Actually,
Speaker 1: I feel like they might be turning the corner at
Speaker 1: just the right time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Jets just the right time.
Speaker 1: For me. I'm saying in fantasy, I got the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's happened to have.
Speaker 3: Gary Wilson on my lineup as well, so I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw the Jets on Sunday against Miami. It was
Speaker 3: definitely their best offensive showing of the season. Garrett Wilson
Speaker 3: and Davante Adams made their secondary look like, you know, substandard.
Speaker 3: You know, I got a lot of respect for Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 3: but Gary Wilson had had a day against him this
Speaker 3: past week, and so I think this is a team where,
Speaker 3: you know, you start to look at this time of year,
Speaker 3: which teams are gonna, you know, pack up for Cabo
Speaker 3: and are done. I was pleasantly surprised with the Jets
Speaker 3: in their fight this past weekend the Jaguar. This is
Speaker 3: one of those games like the Jaguars Titans last week.
Speaker 3: I don't know who's watching except except the family and
Speaker 3: friends of Jets and Jaguars. But I think the Jets,
Speaker 3: the Jets have talent to win this game.
Speaker 1: All the Netflix executives that are like, we need Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers revival, you know, before we drop a enigma, I
Speaker 1: really am now convinced, because it's gonna be impossible to
Speaker 1: get Aaron Rodgers out of our lives that now he's
Speaker 1: gonna like have like a kind of a sneaky good
Speaker 1: stretch run and then some team is gonna convince themselves
Speaker 1: into it. He is, he's kind of having the classic
Speaker 1: old guy season. He just doesn't want to get hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you look at the matches they have, like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you can survive that way. He just doesn't
Speaker 1: want to get hit. But everything else it's like it's
Speaker 1: okay enough if you squint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So which but which team? Who needs a quarterback
Speaker 2: as a good offensive.
Speaker 4: There's a team across town in New York, New Jersey.
Speaker 4: He definitely office a lot, So why not? What about
Speaker 4: an opportunity for someone to play spoiler?
Speaker 1: What the Jaguars and Mac Jones get a two game
Speaker 1: win streak and ruin their ruin their.
Speaker 4: Draft pick Jameis Winston ooh, and the Cleveland Browns going
Speaker 4: up against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs was one ruining
Speaker 4: all these close games?
Speaker 1: A spoiler opportunity, right, it absolutely is. But I do
Speaker 1: not want to spoil Cam's day. He has been so
Speaker 1: good with his time. I just realized he's he's done
Speaker 1: so many different shows and they got him going on
Speaker 1: another one NFL Insider, and we've been honking so much.
Speaker 2: We got it.
Speaker 1: We gotta let Cam go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, run to the next next show. We'll tell Tom,
Speaker 2: Mike and Ian that we said, hello, well will I will.
Speaker 2: But I had a blast here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we should have got you on Fantasy last so
Speaker 4: you literally could have been on every show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost that we produce out here, Cam Wolf like
Speaker 1: you see him flying around the country. He's he's at
Speaker 1: the Big Games. He's at he's in Green Bay, wherever,
Speaker 1: in Miami, wherever it's cold. Appreciate you check him out?
Speaker 1: Are you GMFB anymore this week?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be back on the okay morning, check it.
Speaker 1: Out and check them out Thursday morning. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: got to go get some sleep too after all this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sleep for us off Philly, Philly folks, How would
Speaker 3: we sleep if we're just going to be angry all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: We have no time to be angry.
Speaker 4: If we're sleeping, Just Nick Toanni's face on a pillow
Speaker 4: and just scream into it.
Speaker 2: Nick's actually doing a really good job the post.
Speaker 1: I sleep angry sometimes. Sometimes you just wake up in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night you're pissed off about something.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, appreciate you ca see you.
Speaker 1: Cam What a what a reporter here, one of the
Speaker 1: best to do it at NFL network. So great having
Speaker 1: him in the studio. And yeah, this this Brown's game.
Speaker 1: Is this the week where they finally get got. That
Speaker 1: would be a great moment in this Jameis Winston hero arc.
Speaker 1: And yet I don't believe it because you know, watching
Speaker 1: that game last week against the Steelers, it's very Brown's
Speaker 1: like they do enough things well that you convince yourself
Speaker 1: they're not that far away, but actually they are really
Speaker 1: far away. Like even with Jameis Winston, they're not a
Speaker 1: good offense because they can't run the ball consistently because
Speaker 1: in the red zone they make critical mistakes, whether it's
Speaker 1: penalties or mental errors. And then Jamis throws obviously some turnovers.
Speaker 1: Like they're not good. And the part that I wanted
Speaker 1: to get to here is like they're not a good
Speaker 1: defense either. There's this idea that they are a good defense,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's having to play with this offense and
Speaker 1: who knows, Like I don't know the emotions that go
Speaker 1: into but the stats tell you they are a below
Speaker 1: average defense, not one of the worst, but they're not
Speaker 1: a plus despite having maybe the best defensive player on
Speaker 1: the planet. So it's hard to really imagine this is
Speaker 1: the week that Chiefs get got.
Speaker 4: The case would be the Kansas City Chiefs have won
Speaker 4: back to back nineteen seventeen games. Sure, they have had
Speaker 4: to make changes that tackle because they can't protect one
Speaker 4: of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. And
Speaker 4: again they're only scoring nineteen points where that's only a
Speaker 4: couple of plays from. And again the defensive side of
Speaker 4: the ball, they again the past couple of weeks, they've
Speaker 4: made some tackles, but they did have a rough stretch
Speaker 4: there where they gave up thirty plus points to the
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills, then twenty seven, I believe, to the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 4: and they're I just don't know how to feel about
Speaker 4: this Chiefs team at this point.
Speaker 1: I don't felt, but I'm just not going to learn
Speaker 1: that much this week. I don't think, you know, they
Speaker 1: need to blitz, which I think is a problem for
Speaker 1: them because they just don't have the talent in the
Speaker 1: back end to hold up and yet they're not getting
Speaker 1: the pressure. But again, I don't think that's gonna necessarily
Speaker 1: haunt them against the Brown The Chiefs, speaking of average defenses,
Speaker 1: are down to fifteenth in defensive DVOA, and if you
Speaker 1: think about how high they were after five or six weeks,
Speaker 1: they were top top five, I believe, do the math.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of the level that they've been at.
Speaker 1: I saw this clip and I'm gonna take advantage of
Speaker 1: watching so in season Hard Knocks, I felt like it
Speaker 1: was kind of like homework, but it's good. It's like
Speaker 1: doing my notes for this show while was on my
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say criticism, but my game plan of
Speaker 1: watching that show is it's better before the games start. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think like the first thirty minutes of each episode
Speaker 1: is really excellent and some of the best Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1: Once the game starts, there are really cool moments, but
Speaker 1: it's less it's less compelling, Like if it was just
Speaker 1: that first thirty minutes, it's fantastic television either way. Part
Speaker 1: of that thirty minutes was Miles Garrett talking to the
Speaker 1: rest of the defensive line room and Shelby Harris just
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, man, I know we're out of it,
Speaker 1: but just like, you gotta find something that you really
Speaker 1: care about and play for in this last stretch. And
Speaker 1: I get it, Like you do have to say that,
Speaker 1: and it is all true, and those are the like
Speaker 1: the Shelby Harrises of the world find that, but does
Speaker 1: the whole team find that? It just made me think
Speaker 1: It's just like it is tough for them to win
Speaker 1: a game against the Kansas City Chiefs. That's how I feel.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 4: This is that thing for your games to matter late
Speaker 4: in the season. That's why spoilers are so fun. And
Speaker 4: if the Arizona Cardinals were playing Gretor Betch Greig, the
Speaker 4: New England Patriots would have an opportunity here. The Cardinals
Speaker 4: still favored by six against your squad led by Drake
Speaker 4: May forty six the over under Tom McCarthy, j Peely
Speaker 4: and Ross Talker on the call along with Amanda Balleons.
Speaker 4: Where Kyler and the Birds have been struggling as of late,
Speaker 4: do they fix things against the past?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they will. I think this is a
Speaker 1: great option for our survivor. In fact, I think the
Speaker 1: two options are Cardinals and Panthers. I just don't think
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense is trustworthy enough in a matchup against
Speaker 1: an offensive staff that yeah, it's gotten a little stagnant lately,
Speaker 1: but they throw a lot at you, and this Patriots
Speaker 1: defense has been one that it's not physically talented, but
Speaker 1: it also makes a lot of mental mistakes and gives
Speaker 1: up big plays. And so I have a hard time
Speaker 1: seeing the Patriots win over four quarters. But it is.
Speaker 1: It's getting to the point where it's very scary to
Speaker 1: pick against Drake May because we are extremely lucky that
Speaker 1: we survived weeks ago against them.
Speaker 4: Very very lucky in a in a team that was
Speaker 4: kind of in a similar run in the Indianapolis Colts
Speaker 4: to where the.
Speaker 1: Cables are all right, maybe you're okay, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm actually looking at the last game on the board
Speaker 4: here as my option for.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's put a pin in that. We'll hold this discussion.
Speaker 4: We'll come to that later. But it's it's two inconsistent
Speaker 4: teams where we've seen great highs. But I just I
Speaker 4: believe in the Cardinals a whole lot more than the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Here six points might feel like a bit much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels too much. And even just thinking about
Speaker 1: that Colts Patriots game again, it makes me hesitate because
Speaker 1: that was by far the Patriots best offensive performance of
Speaker 1: the year. I don'tmost go to say it was their
Speaker 1: best game of the year, even though they didn't win.
Speaker 1: They just looked like the better team. They outgame the
Speaker 1: other team by one hundred and thirty yards. They were
Speaker 1: really confident and the thing I love about Drake May
Speaker 1: right now is how different he is than he was
Speaker 1: advertised to be. He is not a up and down
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and his rookie year type of quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: actually taking what's given. He's not throwing the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. He's making good decisions. He's he's like changing protections.
Speaker 1: I think he's I'm trying not to be biased because
Speaker 1: I know he's on the Patriots, You're not. I think
Speaker 1: he's playing quarterback better than the other rookie quarterbacks. Jaden
Speaker 1: like is a better pick for Offensive Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year because he's been more productive and he's done more.
Speaker 1: But I just think he's playing at a better, more
Speaker 1: composed level that makes you really excited about what's going
Speaker 1: to come when other better players are with him. That's all.
Speaker 1: It's gotten better each and every week. Can that continue?
Speaker 1: I almost think it's too good to be true.
Speaker 4: It's like one of those Coach of the Year's situations
Speaker 4: where you're evaluating base on who's doing the most with
Speaker 4: the least around him, and it's difficult. It would be
Speaker 4: difficult to argue, right they maybe Caleb, because we could
Speaker 4: make the case but for Jad and then for bo Nicks, right,
Speaker 4: there's a lot surrounding them. For Drake Maye, he doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily have all of those advantages. Speaking of the number one.
Speaker 1: Overall, Okay, I want to ask you not to cut
Speaker 1: you off.
Speaker 2: No, don't you never do.
Speaker 1: Fantasy playoffs have been right into a you know, very
Speaker 1: good in terms of total points scored. But I got
Speaker 1: Kyler here? Do I do I flip it up? Or
Speaker 1: am I getting too cute to go Kyler against the pageot?
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's cute because there was there was
Speaker 4: that huge stretch where Kyler was carrying you. We didn't
Speaker 4: have exactly and so there's so many people making decisions
Speaker 4: where I think that was the theme on our show today.
Speaker 4: He danced with the one that brung you, and if
Speaker 4: somebody helped get you here, both of those guys instrumental
Speaker 4: in that. I don't think you could go necessarily wrong
Speaker 4: either way. Kyler's matchup is better.
Speaker 1: I'm leaning I'm leaning Kyler because I'm trying not to
Speaker 1: just go with what's been happening. I'm trying to go
Speaker 1: with the matchup, and I can just totally imagine Kyler
Speaker 1: in a game they need to win, having about sixty
Speaker 1: five yards rushing in a rushing touchdown and a nice
Speaker 1: passing day and we move on. Yeah, thank you. I
Speaker 1: just needed that. Thinking about it a lot.
Speaker 4: Everybody always asks everybody else for fantasy, So I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I think we get hit over one hundred rushing yards
Speaker 4: by both quarterbacks combined. Yeah, in that game. So let's
Speaker 4: go to Caleb Williams. On Monday Night Football. We got
Speaker 4: a Monday Night doubleheader, the Bears at the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 4: fresh off of their big win a week ago against
Speaker 4: Atlanta six and a half points, so they were favored
Speaker 4: by forty three and a half is the over under.
Speaker 4: It's the Joe, Troy and Lisa half of Monday Night Football.
Speaker 4: As this Vikings team, we saw them lose two games
Speaker 4: in a row several weeks ago. Oh my gosh, it's over.
Speaker 4: They've done nothing but win since Greg.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how balanced they are. Aaron Jones finally got
Speaker 1: going again last week, ran really well. That was important
Speaker 1: for me to see because I think they're gonna need
Speaker 1: him to be great to win a bunch of playoff games,
Speaker 1: and they might on the road, which is what they
Speaker 1: might have to do. I thought Koc had one of
Speaker 1: his best games a week ago. He just creates confusion
Speaker 1: and what the defense is gonna have to do to
Speaker 1: match what he's doing week after week. And then the
Speaker 1: talent that Sam Darnold has brought out in Justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison, like it's just six and a half
Speaker 1: is not enough for me here. I think what Cam
Speaker 1: talked about of the Cowboys, like that they kind of
Speaker 1: ran out of their juice. Maybe the Bears have one
Speaker 1: week where they pop up and you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not all bad, maybe Caleb has a good game, But like,
Speaker 1: both sides are not going to be good in this game,
Speaker 1: and both sides are gonna need to play their best
Speaker 1: game to me to even be in this game in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, if even one side, like the Bears defense,
Speaker 1: shows up like they look like a week ago, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get blown out. If both sides do, it'll it'll
Speaker 1: just be crazy.
Speaker 4: When the Bears offense was resurgent this year, they were
Speaker 4: able to run the ball, but they've got the fewest
Speaker 4: yards after contact per carry in the entire league right now,
Speaker 4: and then that's.
Speaker 1: A DeAndre Swift stat unfortunately.
Speaker 4: But also the offensive lot isn't providing a lot of
Speaker 4: opportunity for DeAndre Swift to get yards as of late.
Speaker 4: And here's Brian Flores's defense still stopping the run at
Speaker 4: one of the highest rates in the league. It's tough
Speaker 4: to envision anything other than yeah, more than six and
Speaker 4: a half points Caleb.
Speaker 1: If I could ask for him to do one thing
Speaker 1: down the stretch, it would take more chances a little bit.
Speaker 1: What we talked about with Jalen Hurts, like that touchdown
Speaker 1: interception ratio is awesome for Caleb, but he's he has
Speaker 1: the second highest pressure to sack rate in a league
Speaker 1: to Will Levis, and it's been going up and up.
Speaker 1: Last week was kind of the bottoming out of it.
Speaker 1: Seven sacks on only eleven pressures. Now, I watched that game.
Speaker 1: Three of them were quite quick, like he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: do much, but he is holding on the ball. I
Speaker 1: think just to take some chances. It's easy for me
Speaker 1: to say because it'll wind up when some interceptions and
Speaker 1: that's hard to deal with, but I think it would
Speaker 1: be good for his development. He maybe is almost playing
Speaker 1: a little too safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not gonna lose your Caleb, And we've seen
Speaker 4: it where these first halves have been miserable for the
Speaker 4: Bears offense. Right they get behind and Caleb feels like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I have to try to make a play now. You
Speaker 4: making plays is why you were the number one overall pick.
Speaker 4: But we don't want safety Caleb. We want the guy
Speaker 4: going out there doing fun stuff because that's what we enjoy.
Speaker 4: Also fun revenge game opportunities Greg Monday Night Football the
Speaker 4: Atlanta Falcons on the road where they are a four
Speaker 4: point favorite, potentially playing against the quarterback that they put
Speaker 4: to the curb last year, Desmond Riddle, with a revenge
Speaker 4: game the over Runners forty four. Chris Fallo, Lewis Riddick,
Speaker 4: dan Orlowski, and Laura Rutledge on the call.
Speaker 2: I'm I would like this as the survivor.
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna you hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 2: You hate it, so we're gonna have to work back through.
Speaker 1: I there's no way I'm taking the Atlanta Falcons as
Speaker 1: my survivor pick in the year twenty against.
Speaker 4: Against either Desmond Ridder or a hurt Ain't No, he
Speaker 4: was cardal off the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, we got the turn Eye, the Scott
Speaker 1: and North Turner, they're kind of getting it done. It's like,
Speaker 1: my most shameful take is Scott Turner's underrated, and I
Speaker 1: actually think they've been doing some good things offensively. They've
Speaker 1: been moving the ball, and it's probably if it's Desmond Ritter,
Speaker 1: I still don't want to take it, but it makes
Speaker 1: more sense to me. If it's An O'Connell, I might
Speaker 1: take the Raiders straight up. And this season for the Falcons,
Speaker 1: I do not trust this Falcons team, and the Raiders
Speaker 1: are in all these games. They're they're actually kind of
Speaker 1: a competitive football team, and they probably will lose, but
Speaker 1: it's more about that anything that can go wrong with
Speaker 1: the Falcons is going wrong, and so I feel way
Speaker 1: better about the Cardinals or the Panthers, you know what.
Speaker 1: I think, in the spirit of our enjoyment of what's
Speaker 1: been happening with with Bryce Young, maybe that's the move
Speaker 1: be a little bold, we take, we take I think
Speaker 1: we can agree on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would rather.
Speaker 4: I would rather lose with love, okay then than to
Speaker 4: the sheepishly win and we we have skated by by
Speaker 4: the skin of our teeth. It's been fun to track
Speaker 4: so let's continue having fun. You know, damn the torpedoes great.
Speaker 1: How about the symmetry of we picked the game straight
Speaker 1: up every single week. Neither of us have chosen the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers to win one single time, But the first
Speaker 1: time we take them to win, there are survivor picked.
Speaker 1: That's how much we believe in them. I do believe
Speaker 1: in them. I really I think they'll cover the three.
Speaker 1: That's how it I'll be picking. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: win that game. Should we give the Falcons any more time?
Speaker 1: Because they are they are in the mix here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're They're very much in them. If the Chargers
Speaker 4: beat the Buccaneers, the Falcons can win this game and
Speaker 4: be right back in it.
Speaker 1: They're they're tied, They're literally in first place. Their favorite
Speaker 1: to win this game. The Bucks are favorite to lose
Speaker 1: their game. And I actually here's another very mild take.
Speaker 1: I understand keeping Kirk Cousins as your quarterback this week.
Speaker 1: I think this is the last week if it didn't
Speaker 1: go well. But he did so many really good things
Speaker 1: in that game last week that I just don't think
Speaker 1: people who didn't watch every step of that game saw that.
Speaker 1: I want to stick with him one more week. I
Speaker 1: thought he played quite well throughout that game, except for
Speaker 1: the two interceptions. I know that's a big accept No,
Speaker 1: it's but like next level good throws down the field,
Speaker 1: good decisions, like tough plays, and the contract is part
Speaker 1: of it. I just think it makes sense to make
Speaker 1: sure you're out of it first. Maybe a Boulder coach
Speaker 1: would feel differently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's only so many chances you have to win
Speaker 4: your division, I think, And it hinges on how the
Speaker 4: first three quarters of this game go. If it's close late,
Speaker 4: maybe you make a decision like, hey, perhaps we have
Speaker 4: a better chance short term and long term with Michael pennixtreme.
Speaker 1: And the defense I thought for three quarters was like, okay,
Speaker 1: they're getting pressure on Darnold. They didn't quite finish those plays,
Speaker 1: and you know, the roof caved in on them, and
Speaker 1: it didn't end up being a great game. But I
Speaker 1: see the vision they could still make it happen. I
Speaker 1: think the ceiling, as crazy as it is, is higher
Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins. Ceiling always high with you, buddy, we
Speaker 1: do it. We do it twice a week here on
Speaker 1: NFL Daily with Patrick Claibund. But man, we do it
Speaker 1: all over the week in general, we got that extra
Speaker 1: show coming, so check your feeds out. My buddy Anthony
Speaker 1: Jesselnik and I and Colleen Wolf are going to be
Speaker 1: in your feed on Thursday before the tn F recap,
Speaker 1: which will be with Andrew Cziliano. I mean, when we're
Speaker 1: rolling out stars each and every day, you know football
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