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Speaker 1: All right, this is Darwin James and you listen to

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Speaker 1: the Charges Podcast network. What's up, guys, Chris Harry with

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Speaker 1: you on an NFL combined edition of Chargers Weekly. We're

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Speaker 1: on location here in Indianapolis, a two part episode this week.

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Speaker 1: You can probably hear the bench press going on in

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Speaker 1: the background right now. Coming up the Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. I'm gonna break down some of these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But first Greg Casselle of NFL Films, we do this

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Speaker 1: every year in Indie. He gives us the lowdown on

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty NFL drafts. Greg, It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing great? Another I think for

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Speaker 1: me this might be my twenty first or twenty second combine. Wow,

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Speaker 1: how's it changed for you? Oh well, now it's too

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Speaker 1: many ways to too many ways? Yes, I mean now

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Speaker 1: it's a big media TV event. It wasn't my first

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Speaker 1: event now prime time. Yeah, as we tape this, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, tight ends or working out tonight, throwing the

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Speaker 1: drills tonight, which is completely different, kind of throws the

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Speaker 1: schedule off a little bits. My bedtime way past my bedtime. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you're always so generous with your time

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Speaker 1: during this time of year. Let's just start with the

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Speaker 1: draft class in general, your overall thoughts. Maybe we start

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Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks because it's a very intriguing class here,

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Speaker 1: especially in that top ten range. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear that Borrow will be the number

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Speaker 1: that would be based on merit to me, based on

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Speaker 1: film study, I think Burrow is the clear number one

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Speaker 1: quarterback prospect. I think he has every trait you look for,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of higher level arm strength, and reasonable

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Speaker 1: people will always disagree about the importance of arm strength

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Speaker 1: through a quarterback. The league has changed. This is a

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Speaker 1: league now where it seems every year the percentage of

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Speaker 1: That percentage seems to go up. This is not a

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Speaker 1: So to me, Burrow has all the traits you look

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Speaker 1: talent gap between guys like Tua, Burrow, Herbert and then

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Speaker 1: even a guy like Jordan Love. I think there's varying

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Speaker 1: subtleties of the position. I mean, Jordan Love is a

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Speaker 1: So obviously those guys can throw the ball with more

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Speaker 1: He's more of a big play guy. To me, Herbert

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Speaker 1: He's and a guy that we don't talk about as

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Speaker 1: and it's based on what a team is looking for,

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Speaker 1: quarterback position is exactly exactly. And for the Chargers, obviously,

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Speaker 1: That kind of intrigue you. Yeah, there's guys that intrigue me.

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Speaker 1: Whether that's gonna mean they're gonna be a franchise guy,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But those are a couple other guys

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Speaker 1: Chargers fans that the difference sometimes from year to year

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Speaker 1: And one year they found ways to win those games.

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem possible that they can lose so

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Speaker 1: many different ways in close games. So I think it

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Speaker 1: starts there is no matter whether it's a quarterback or

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Speaker 1: he be that kind of guy? You know? If it's

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Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. What I know about Tyrod is he's been successful,

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Speaker 1: to find a guy that can make plays for him

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Speaker 1: I think is the key is I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: difference makers. It's about everybody's got good talent. Can you

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Speaker 1: find the guys that in the moment the Derwin James

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Speaker 1: what makes great teams great consistently, is they find those

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Speaker 1: more times than he doesn't show up. And I think

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Speaker 1: that'll be the key for the Chargers moving forward. And

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Speaker 1: that's what makes the next couple of months so much fun.

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Speaker 1: With free agency in the draft, you never know what's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. A lot of teams are gonna look different. Kurt.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for your time. I know

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Speaker 1: you got a roll man, really appreciate it. No problem,

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Speaker 1: gonna be here all right, guys. That's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us. We will be back on Friday with part

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Speaker 1: two of our two part Chargers Weekly here from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Also an edition of Playmakers with

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Speaker 1: Wendy Knicks of ESPN. She joined Haley Olwood. That'll be

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Speaker 1: on the Chargers podcast network as well. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: subscribe where if you listen to podcasts. And until next time,

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harry