WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: COINTELPRO 2

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. This is the second part of our two

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<v Speaker 1>part episode on co Intel pro. Part one, which ran

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<v Speaker 1>last Saturday, includes lots of background on the FBI and

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<v Speaker 1>its counterintelligence programs. Today's installment is focused on co intel

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<v Speaker 1>pros that targeted civil rights groups and the vaguely defined

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<v Speaker 1>New Left, as well as the raid on the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>office in Media, Pennsylvania that brought these programs to light.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of this episode, we mentioned that some

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who were part of that raid were

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<v Speaker 1>also suspected as being part of the Camden twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>who broke into the Camden, New Jersey, Draft Board office

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<v Speaker 1>and destroyed draft records there in nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>The Camden twenty eight and other Vietnam War era draft

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<v Speaker 1>board raids in a two parter that ran on April

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<v Speaker 1>seventh and ninth, twenty twenty five. This episode originally came

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<v Speaker 1>out July twenty second, twenty twenty Welcome to Stuff You

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<v Speaker 1>Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Holly Frye. Today we are wrapping up our two parter

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<v Speaker 1>on co Intel Pro, including its targeting of so called

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<v Speaker 1>black nationalist slash hate groups and a targeting of a

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<v Speaker 1>very vaguely defined movement known as the New Left. To

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<v Speaker 1>briefly recap from part one, which is highly recommended before

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this because it includes a lot of context

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<v Speaker 1>and overview, but just as a quick recap, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to quote from the Church Report, which followed more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year of Senate Committee hearings into all this quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The origins of co Intel pro demonstrate that the Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>adopted extra legal methods to counter perceived threats to national

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<v Speaker 1>security and public order because the ordinary legal processes were

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<v Speaker 1>believed to be insufficient to do the job. In essence,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bureau took the law into its own hands, conducting

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<v Speaker 1>a sophisticated vigilante operation against domestic enemies. Whether those targets

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<v Speaker 1>were really enemies, though, that is a different question. The

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<v Speaker 1>report went on to say, quote, the choice of individuals

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<v Speaker 1>and organizations to be neutralized and disrupted ranged from the

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<v Speaker 1>violent elements of the Black Panther Party to Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 1>King Junior, who the Bureau concedes was an advocate of nonviolence.

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<v Speaker 1>From the Communist Party to the ku Klux Klan, from

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<v Speaker 1>the advocates of violent revolutions such as the Weathermen, to

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<v Speaker 1>the supporters of peaceful social change, including the Southern Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Leadership Conference and the Inter University Committee for Debate on

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<v Speaker 1>Foreign Policy. Just a heads up in this episode, there

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be some discussions of suicide and also

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<v Speaker 1>police violence. In nineteen sixty seven, the FBI started co

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<v Speaker 1>Intel pro Black Nationalist hate Groups. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>targeting of civil rights groups that had been carried out

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<v Speaker 1>under Cointel pro CPUSA, which we talked about last time,

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<v Speaker 1>rolled up under this newly established program. In the words

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<v Speaker 1>of the program supervisor, the targeted groups were selected because

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<v Speaker 1>they were believed to be violent or because of their

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<v Speaker 1>quote radical or revolutionary rhetoric and actions. On March fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover sent a

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<v Speaker 1>memo to be routed through forty one FBI field offices.

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<v Speaker 1>This memo was called Counterintelligence Program Black Nationalist Hate Group's

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<v Speaker 1>Racial Intelligence. And this is a little bit long, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's so illustrative of what the FBI was doing here

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<v Speaker 1>and more generally, what Hoover's mindset was across the other

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<v Speaker 1>co intel pros. We're going to read a chunk of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it began quote goals for maximum effectiveness of the

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<v Speaker 1>counterintelligence program and to prevent wasted effort. Long range goals

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<v Speaker 1>are being set. Number one, prevent the coalition of militant

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<v Speaker 1>black nationalist groups. In unity, there is strength, a truism

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<v Speaker 1>that is no less valid for all its triteness. An

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<v Speaker 1>effective coalition of black nationalist groups might be the first

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<v Speaker 1>step toward a real mau Mau in America, the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a true Black revolution. So, for context, mau Mau

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<v Speaker 1>is a reference to the Mau Mau movement and uprising

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<v Speaker 1>in Kenya, which advocated a violent overthrow of British colonial rule.

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<v Speaker 1>This went on too prevent the rise of a messiah

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<v Speaker 1>who could unify and electrify the militant black nationalist movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm X might have been such a messiah. He is

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<v Speaker 1>the martyr of the movement today. Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael,

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<v Speaker 1>and Elijah Mohammed all aspire to this position. Elijah Mohammed

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<v Speaker 1>is less of a threat because of his age. King

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<v Speaker 1>could be a very real contender for this position, should

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<v Speaker 1>he abandon his supposed quote obedience to quote white liberal

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<v Speaker 1>doctrines in parentheses nonviolence, and embrace black nationalism. Carmichael has

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<v Speaker 1>the necessary charisma to be a real threat in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Number three prevent violence on the part of black nationalist groups.

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<v Speaker 1>This is of primary importance and is of course a

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<v Speaker 1>goal of our investigative activity. It should also be a

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<v Speaker 1>goal of the counterintelligence program to pinpoint potential troublemakers and

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<v Speaker 1>neutralize them before they exercise their potential for violence. Number

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<v Speaker 1>four prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining

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<v Speaker 1>respectability by discrediting them to three separate segments of the community.

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<v Speaker 1>The goal of discrediting black nationalists must be handled tactically

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<v Speaker 1>in three ways. You must discredit those groups and individuals

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<v Speaker 1>to first, the responsible Negro community. Second, they must be

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<v Speaker 1>discredited to the white community, both the responsible community and

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<v Speaker 1>to liberals who have vestiges of sympathy for militant Black

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<v Speaker 1>national list simply because they are negroes. Third, these groups

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<v Speaker 1>must be discredited in the eyes of Negro radicals, the

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<v Speaker 1>followers of the movement. This last area requires entirely different

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<v Speaker 1>tactics from the first two. Publicity about violent tendencies and

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<v Speaker 1>radical statements merely enhances black nationalists to the last group.

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<v Speaker 1>It adds respectability in a different way. Number five. A

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<v Speaker 1>final goal should be to prevent the long range growth

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<v Speaker 1>of militant black organizations, especially among youth. Specific tactics to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent these groups from converting young people must be developed.

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<v Speaker 2>This memo went on.

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<v Speaker 1>To outline the primary targets of this co intel, pro

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<v Speaker 1>that everything we just read was going to apply to.

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<v Speaker 1>These were the organizations that Hoover described as the quote

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<v Speaker 1>most violent and radical. It included the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Revolutionary Action Movement, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Nation of Islam.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredibly weird list.

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<v Speaker 2>Snick has nonviolent write it in the name, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Martin Luther King Junior helped found

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<v Speaker 2>this represents the whole spectrum of from nonviolent direct action

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<v Speaker 2>to revolutionary black nationalism, and the FBI even noted that

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<v Speaker 2>in its view, some individual members of the Nation of

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<v Speaker 2>Islam had been involved in violence, but the organization itself

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<v Speaker 2>was not violent. It was being targeted because of its separatism.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, the FBI grouped a lot of different organizations with

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<v Speaker 1>a wide range of objectives and ideologies and tactics under

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<v Speaker 1>this co intel Pro that was supposedly about black nationalism

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<v Speaker 1>and hate groups. Some, as Tracey just mentioned, were strictly pacifist,

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<v Speaker 1>Some advocated gun ownership or violent self defense, Some spoke

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<v Speaker 1>in very theoretical terms about the need for a revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them called for an actual armed uprising

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<v Speaker 1>or other violence. All very different ideologies, but still under

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<v Speaker 1>this one umbrella. The FBI classed them all together as

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<v Speaker 1>violent and radical, viewing virtually any organization calling for equal

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<v Speaker 1>rights for black people as potentially violent and as a consequence,

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<v Speaker 1>as needing to be disrupted. Yeah, Like, the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>these all had in common was like black people equality,

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<v Speaker 1>equality please, or like demanding equality with very aggressive rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes violence. Like that's what it all had in common.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI put intense effort into discrediting and disrupting all

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<v Speaker 1>these organizations and other organizations that were not specifically named,

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<v Speaker 1>using all the methods that we talked about in Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>But about a year after this co intel pro was established,

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<v Speaker 1>another different organization rose to national prominence, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panther Party, and this co intel Pro then

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<v Speaker 1>pivoted to shift almost exclusively on that. The Black Panther

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<v Speaker 1>part originally called the Black Panther Party for Self Defense,

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<v Speaker 1>was founded in Oakland, California in nineteen sixty six by

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<v Speaker 1>Huey Newton and Bobby Seal. A lot of the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers rhetoric was radical and revolutionary, arguing that the only

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<v Speaker 1>way black people could be truly free is if they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to govern their own affairs. When they were

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<v Speaker 1>establishing the party, Newton and Seal crafted a ten point

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<v Speaker 1>program which began, we want freedom, We want power to

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<v Speaker 1>determine the destiny of our black community. This ten point

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<v Speaker 1>program went on to call for full employment, an end

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<v Speaker 1>to quote the robbery by the capitalists of our black community,

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<v Speaker 1>decent housing, education, exemption from military service for black men,

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<v Speaker 1>an end to police brutality, freedom for black men who

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<v Speaker 1>were held in prisons in jails, and it ended, quote

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<v Speaker 1>we want land, bred, housing, education, clothing, justice, and peace.

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<v Speaker 1>The ten point Plan elaborated on each of these points.

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<v Speaker 1>The exemption from military service stemmed from the United States

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<v Speaker 1>involvement in Vietnam and the idea that black people should

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<v Speaker 1>not be forced to serve in the military of a

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<v Speaker 1>nation that did not protect them. The idea behind the

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<v Speaker 1>release of incarcerated black men was that they had not

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<v Speaker 1>been given a fair and impartial trial, so their convictions

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<v Speaker 1>were not valid. As part of their work, the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers started more than thirty community service programs known as

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<v Speaker 1>survival programs. These included things like free breakfast programs for

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<v Speaker 1>school children, a tuberculosis screening and treatment program, medical clinics,

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<v Speaker 1>ambulance services, legal aid, and education programs. The Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>also created a screening program for sickle cell disease that

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<v Speaker 1>later served as a template for the federal government's own

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<v Speaker 1>screening programs. Over time, a lot of these services were

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<v Speaker 1>expanded to include anyone who was oppressed, including poor white people.

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<v Speaker 1>The Black Panthers also showed up to support other marginalized

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<v Speaker 1>groups in their own activism. They are mentioned two different

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<v Speaker 1>times in our Six Impossible episodes from sip Ins to

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<v Speaker 1>fish Ins, which focused on direct action demonstrations and similar protests.

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<v Speaker 1>In that episode, we talked about the Black Panther support

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<v Speaker 1>of the fish In movement in the Pacific Northwest, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're providing meals to disabled activists who took over the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Health Education and Welfare Office in San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>during the Section five oh four protests. But today, the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing a lot of people, especially a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>white people, think of when someone says the Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>is guns and violence. The Black Panthers organized armed patrols

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<v Speaker 1>of black neighborhoods to protect residents from police brutality and

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<v Speaker 1>from gang violence. At one point, they staged an armed

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<v Speaker 1>takeover of the California State Legislature that was in response

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<v Speaker 1>to gun control legislation. As other examples outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>party's organized activities, Huey Newton was involved in a shootout

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<v Speaker 1>with police in nineteen sixty seven in which an officer

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<v Speaker 1>was killed. Bobby Seal was charmed urge but not convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>with conspiracy to incite riots at the nineteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic National Convention, and of the murder of a nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Black Panther who was suspected of being a

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<v Speaker 1>police informant. In a memo back to headquarters, a California

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<v Speaker 1>field office described the Black Panthers as quote the most

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<v Speaker 1>violence prone organization of all the extremist groups now operating

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, and that alleged that they were

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<v Speaker 1>performing quote not only verbal attacks, but also physical attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on police. Later, J Edgar Hoover called the Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>quote one of the greatest threats to the nation's internal security.

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<v Speaker 1>On November twenty fifth, nineteen sixty eight, several FBI field

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<v Speaker 1>offices received a memo ordering them to submit quote imaginative

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<v Speaker 1>and hard hitting counter intelligence measures aimed at crippling the BPPS,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the Black Panther Party. This directive was expanded

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<v Speaker 1>to additional field offices in January of nineteen sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Collen's hel pro black nationalist hat Green soon focused almost

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<v Speaker 1>entirely on the Black Panthers, rather than on that collection

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<v Speaker 1>of groups that we outlined earlier in that nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight memo. Of this co intel pros two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five documented actions, two hundred and thirty three of

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<v Speaker 1>them were against the Black Panthers. Using all those various

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<v Speaker 1>techniques that we described in Part one as examples, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI intentionally undermined the Black Panthers public service programs, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>by sending fake, inflammatory membership materials to food pantries and

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<v Speaker 1>other organizations that were donating food for the breakfast programs.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bureau used disinformation to try to spark violent conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>between the Panthers and area street gangs, and to spark

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<v Speaker 1>violent conflicts between the Panthers and police to reinforce the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that the Black Panthers were just inherently violent. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, the FBI became aware of a Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panther coloring book. The origins of this book are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit murky, but Akinsanya Cambone, who was then known

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<v Speaker 1>as Mark Temer, has taken credit for its creation. In

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty sixteen interview, he describes it as a history book.

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<v Speaker 1>It depicts slave owners, greedy store owners, and police all

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<v Speaker 1>as obese pigs with exaggerated lower tusks. While Cambone has

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<v Speaker 1>stressed that these pigs can be any color, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why it is a coloring book, they are generally interpreted

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<v Speaker 1>as representations of white people, and this book is full

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<v Speaker 1>of images of black people, adults and children, men and

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<v Speaker 1>women stabbing and shooting the pigs. Black Panther leadership felt

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<v Speaker 1>that the coloring book was inappropriate and ordered Cambone to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy it, but someone made copies, and after the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>obtained one, it made more copies and distributed them, as

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<v Speaker 1>though the Black Panther Party had officially created this book

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<v Speaker 1>with the intent of distributing it to children. The FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>harassment of the Black Panthers also went beyond the organized

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<v Speaker 1>membership and its programs. Dean Seberg was an actress who

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<v Speaker 1>donated to the Black Panthers in support of their breakfast programs.

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<v Speaker 1>During her pregnancy, the FBI sent false tips to news

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<v Speaker 1>organizations alleging that the father of her baby was a

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panther. This, of course, was a huge scandal. Seberg

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<v Speaker 1>tried to take her own life. As a result, she

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<v Speaker 1>went into labor prematurely and her baby died. According to

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<v Speaker 1>family members, she tried to take her own life every

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<v Speaker 1>year around the time of the baby's death, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she died in nineteen seventy nine. Her death was ruled

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<v Speaker 1>a suicide, although some of her families had suspicions that

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<v Speaker 1>there was foul play involved. And perhaps most notoriously, on

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<v Speaker 1>December fourth, nineteen sixty nine, the FBI orchestrated a raid

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<v Speaker 1>that was carried out by Chicago police, who fired between

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two and ninety nine gun shots into an apartment

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<v Speaker 1>where several members of the Black Panther Party were sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>Among other involvement, an FBI informant had provided police with

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<v Speaker 1>a floor plan of the apartment. Chicago Black Panther leaders

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Hampton and Mark Clark were killed and four other

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<v Speaker 1>people in the apartment were seriously injured. Police claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a violent gunfight, with the Black Panthers being

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<v Speaker 1>the first to open fire, but an investigation revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>only one shot had been fired from inside the apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>most likely by Mark Clark after he had already been

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<v Speaker 1>fatally shot by police. According to Hampton's fiance, Deborah Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>who was in bed asleep with him when the shooting started,

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<v Speaker 1>an officer who came into the apartment after the shooting

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<v Speaker 1>stopped asked if Hampton was still alive. Another officer fired

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<v Speaker 1>two shots and said he's good and dead now. The

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panther Party dissolved in nineteen eighty two, with co

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<v Speaker 1>intel pro being one of the many factors that contributed

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<v Speaker 1>to its end. Former members say it is unrelated to

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<v Speaker 1>the New Black Panther Party, which was founded in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine and is classified as a hate group by

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Commission on Civil Rights and the Southern

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<v Speaker 1>Poverty Law Center. Let's take a break. The last formal

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<v Speaker 1>cointel pro that was described in the Senate investigation reports

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about in a little bit was

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<v Speaker 1>co intel Pro New Left, and that started in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight. And of all the formally named co intel pros,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the most loosely focused. And I mean, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed, most of them were loosely focused. As we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in part one, the FBI didn't really even have

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<v Speaker 1>a definition for what new Left meant. The New Left supervisor,

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<v Speaker 1>who was quoted in the Church Committee report, said quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot recall any document that was written defining New

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<v Speaker 1>Left as such. It is my impression that the characterization

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<v Speaker 1>of New Left groups, rather than being defined at any

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<v Speaker 1>specific time by document, it more or less grew. It

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<v Speaker 1>has never been strictly defined, as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It is more or less an attitude. I would think

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it sound almost like an advertiser sound bite

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<v Speaker 1>New Left. It's an attitude. The incident that prompted the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI to create this co intel pro was a student

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<v Speaker 1>uprising at Columbia University in nineteen sixty eight. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot involved in this protest, but its most direct

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<v Speaker 1>precursor was the university's decision to build a new gym

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<v Speaker 1>in Morningside Park. Even though the gym was being planned

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<v Speaker 1>for public land, its facilities would mostly be for use

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<v Speaker 1>only by the university and not by the public. To

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<v Speaker 1>add to that frustration, this was part of an ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>pattern of the university's expansion into Harlem, which was pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood's predominantly black residents out of their homes in

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<v Speaker 1>order to build facilities that they were not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to access. So the resulting protest was complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>like we cannot get all into all of the nuances here,

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<v Speaker 1>but generally the university. These student Afro American Society or

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<v Speaker 1>SAS started voicing their own and the community's objections to

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<v Speaker 1>this gym, and then the school's chapter of the Students

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<v Speaker 1>for a Democratic Society or SDS, which was predominantly white,

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<v Speaker 1>saw this as an opportunity for a larger protest that

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<v Speaker 1>would also focus on the university's involvement with the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 1>Members of the SAS felt like they were being talked

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<v Speaker 1>over and that the SDS was taking the protests in

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<v Speaker 1>an entirely different direction. And the end, the Student Afro

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<v Speaker 1>American Society took over Hamilton Hall, and the Students for

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<v Speaker 1>a Democratic Society took over other buildings on campus and

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<v Speaker 1>took the Dean hostage. There were more than a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrators who took part in the campus shutdown that lasted

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<v Speaker 1>for a week. At the university's request, the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department began clearing the demonstrators. On April thirtieth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight. Black demonstrators who had taken over Hamilton Hall

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<v Speaker 1>left peacefully. More more than one thousand police moved into

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<v Speaker 1>the other buildings. Some of the other demonstrators verbally and

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<v Speaker 1>physically resisted, including by throwing things like shoes, bathroom tiles,

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<v Speaker 1>and books at officers. Police forcibly removed people, beating some

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<v Speaker 1>of the resisting students and in some cases bystanders with nightsticks.

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<v Speaker 1>Others were trampled. In the end, one hundred thirty two students,

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<v Speaker 1>four faculty members, and twelve police officers were injured. So

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<v Speaker 1>Coinzel pro New Left was motivated by the FBI's frustrations

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<v Speaker 1>that the university had not brought in police earlier, and

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<v Speaker 1>also by a sense that these types of protests should

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<v Speaker 1>not be permitted to happen in the first place. The

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<v Speaker 1>directives for coinsal pro New Left were distributed by a

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<v Speaker 1>memo in May of nineteen sixty eight, and as described

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<v Speaker 1>in the Church Report, agents were to gather information on

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<v Speaker 1>this is all quote. One false allegations of police brutality

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<v Speaker 1>to quote counter the widespread charges of police brutality that

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<v Speaker 1>invariably arise following student police encounters. To immorality depicting the

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<v Speaker 1>quote scurrilous and depraved nature of many of the characters, activities, habits,

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<v Speaker 1>and living conditions representative of New Left adherents. And three

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<v Speaker 1>action by college administrators to quote to show the value

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<v Speaker 1>of college administrators and school officials taking a firm stand

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<v Speaker 1>and pointing out quote whether and to what extent faculty

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<v Speaker 1>members rendered aid and encouragement. Point two sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the other counterintelligence efforts we've talked about in

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<v Speaker 1>cointel pros, but otherwise, in the FBI's view, the use

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<v Speaker 1>of force against demonstrators was warranted, and if demonstrators were

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<v Speaker 1>injured in the process, they deserved it. In nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>both the FBI and the NYPD viewed the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>force used at Columbia as appropriate and restrained. No tear

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<v Speaker 1>gas was used, no one was shot, and the injury

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 1>sustained students and faculty were minor enough that those who

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to the hospital were treated and released.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just such a weird bar to such a weird

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<v Speaker 1>bar of whether the use was appropriate. The use of

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<v Speaker 1>forces appropriate was like, well, okay, nobody like died. Was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the right tone of it. However, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>also had a similar interpretation in cases of police brutality

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<v Speaker 1>that were far more clearly egregious. For example, after riots

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<v Speaker 1>broke out during the nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, a memo from FBI headquarters to the Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Field Office read quote, once again, the liberal press and

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<v Speaker 1>the bleeding hearts and the forces on the left are

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of the situation in Chicago surrounding the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>National Convention to attack the police and organize law enforcement agencies.

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<v Speaker 1>We should be mindful of this situation and develop all

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<v Speaker 1>possible evidence to expose this activity and to refute these

0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:01.200
<v Speaker 1>false allegations. Conversely, the walker of which was prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of violence

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<v Speaker 1>concluded that there really was police wrongdoing a portion of

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<v Speaker 1>it read quote. Demonstrators attacked two and they posed difficult

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<v Speaker 1>problems for police as they persisted in marching through the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>blocking traffic and intersections. But it was the police who

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<v Speaker 1>forced them out of the park and into the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the part of the police, there was enough

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<v Speaker 1>wild club swinging, enough cries of hatred, enough gratuitous beating

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<v Speaker 1>to make the conclusion inescapable that individual policemen, and lots

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<v Speaker 1>of them, committed violent acts far in excess of the

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<v Speaker 1>requisite force for crowd dispersal or arrests. To read dispassionately

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<v Speaker 1>the hundreds of statements describing at first hand the events

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<v Speaker 1>of Sunday and Monday nights is to become convinced of

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of what can only be called a police riot.

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<v Speaker 1>So while coenfelpro knew left was ostensibly about targeting this

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<v Speaker 1>very vaguely defined collection of left wing demonstrators as being

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to national security, it was also paired up

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<v Speaker 1>with this sense of a much needed law enforcement crackdown

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<v Speaker 1>that was justified and necessary, and the need to protect

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<v Speaker 1>police and other law enforcement from false accusations of brutality.

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<v Speaker 1>Aside from that, it is difficult to talk about co

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<v Speaker 1>intel Pro New Left in a cohesive way. The counterintelligence

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<v Speaker 1>program wound up targeting virtually every anti war group in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, as well as student demonstrators who were demonstrating

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<v Speaker 1>for just about any reason. In the words of the

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<v Speaker 1>Church Report quote, none of the bureau witnesses deposed believes

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<v Speaker 1>the New Left co intel Pro was generally effective, in

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<v Speaker 1>part because of the imprecise targeting. Also, the tone of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the FBI memos regarding the New lefts

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<v Speaker 1>sound almost baffled. Agents really did not get these young people,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them white and affluent, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>looking like stereotypical hippies agitating against the like police brutality

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<v Speaker 1>and the Vietnam War. Memos include kind of perplexed sounding

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<v Speaker 1>references to things like yoga and drugs. Participants in the

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>organizations targeted under cointel Pro New Left also tended to

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<v Speaker 1>be simultaneously idealistic and cynical, so the Bureau had a

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<v Speaker 1>harder time finding informants or infiltrating organizations. For example, the

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<v Speaker 1>main phone at the national headquarters of Students for a

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Society had a sign taped to it for more

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<v Speaker 1>than a year that said, in capital letters, this phone

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<v Speaker 1>is tapped.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not to suggest that the other targeted organizations

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<v Speaker 1>were clueless, like they were just particularly cynical about the

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<v Speaker 1>bureau by this point. The people who ultimately got the

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<v Speaker 1>ball rolling on exposing co intel pro were members of

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>anti war and other activist movements that had been targeted

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<v Speaker 1>during these programs history, and we'll talk more about that

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<v Speaker 1>after a sponsor break. Counterintelligence is still part of the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI's work, But in terms of these formally named cohen

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<v Speaker 1>Cel pros, those came to an end thanks to the

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<v Speaker 1>work of some regular people who pulled off a heist.

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<v Speaker 1>When we say regular people, they included a cab driver,

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<v Speaker 1>a daycare center director, a social worker, and a professor.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like one of those walk into a bar jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite part of these episodes for the number

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons, one of them being it's the most straightforward. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also it being just kind of a David and Goliath story,

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<v Speaker 1>so would had become clear to many of these groups

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<v Speaker 1>that the FBI was targeting them. Left wing activists viewed

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI with increasing suspicion, but nobody had evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>what they thought was happening. In nineteen seventy, a group

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<v Speaker 1>of anti war activists in the Philadelphia area decided to

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<v Speaker 1>do something about it. Anti war activist and college professor

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<v Speaker 1>William C. Davidon came up with the idea. John and

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie Raines, a married couple with small children, were also involved.

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>John had also been a freedom writer. Others included Keith Forsyth,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Robert Williamson, Judy Fine Gold, and two people known by pseudonyms.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those is Susan Smith and the other is

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Durst. A ninth participant dropped out before the burglary

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<v Speaker 1>actually took place.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no way.

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<v Speaker 1>They could break into the Philadelphia FBI office, which had

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<v Speaker 1>tight security, so they looked for other FBI field offices,

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<v Speaker 1>finding one nearby in Media, Pennsylvania. This office was housed

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<v Speaker 1>in an apartment building with a shared lobby space, which

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<v Speaker 1>was adjacent to the county courthouse that cased this area.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Bonnie rains posed as a student from Swarthmore College and

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<v Speaker 1>arranged a meeting under the guise of researching career opportunities

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>for women at the bureau. They scheduled their burglary for

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<v Speaker 1>March eighth, nineteen seventy one, the night of the Fight

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<v Speaker 1>of the Century between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, reasoning

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<v Speaker 1>that most people would be watching the fight. After breaking in,

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.199
<v Speaker 1>they removed thousands of files which were being stored in

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>regular file cabinets. After sorting through what they had stolen,

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>they mailed selections to newspapers and members of Congress, anonymously

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<v Speaker 1>calling themselves the Citizens' Commission to Investigate the FBI. Most

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of the newspapers returned these documents to the Bureau, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post confirmed their authenticity and ran a front

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>page story on March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one. It

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>was titled Stolen documents describe FBI surveillance activities. The article

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>described surveillance of black activist organizations and efforts to enhance

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>existing paranoia. To quote further serve to get the point

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>across that there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Mail documents and more articles followed. J Edgar Hoover officially

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>canceled co Intel pro on April twenty seventh, nineteen seventy one,

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>citing security reasons. Although some co Intel pro activities continued,

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>just without a specific name attached, but it wasn't yet

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>clear to anyone outside the bureau what the term co

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>intel pro meant or what its scope was. Jay Edgar

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Hoover died on May second, nineteen seventy two. He had

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<v Speaker 1>been the director of the FBI for forty eight years.

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy three and nineteen seventy four, NBC journalist

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Carl Stern filed a series of requests under the Freedom

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>of Information Act. Those requests were repeatedly turned down until

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the documents were finally released under a court order, and

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that is when people finally started to get a sense

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>of what co intel pro meant and just how huge

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it was. In nineteen seventy four, Seymour Hirsch wrote a

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>front page article for The New York Times titled huge

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>CIA operation reported in US against anti war forces. This

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>article reported that the CIA was engaged in very co

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>intel pro like operations against peace activists in the US,

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>but the CIA was not supposed to be operating domestically

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>at all. These news reports sparked outrage within the government

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and among the general public. President Gerald Ford appointed the

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Rockefeller Commission to investigate the CIA. The House established the

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Pike Committee to investigate illegal activities by the CIA, the FBI,

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and the NSA. The Pike Committee's report was never published.

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<v Speaker 1>On January twenty first, nineteen seventy five, a resolution was

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<v Speaker 1>introduced in the Senate to create a committee to investigate

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>federal intelligence operations and determine quote the extent, if any,

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>to which illegal, improper, or unethical activities were engaged in

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>by any agency of the federal government. Congressional hearings went

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<v Speaker 1>on through nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy six. The

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Senate committee was dubbed the Church Committee, was headed by

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Senator Frank Church, a Democrat from Ohio. The other committee

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>members were selected to represent a range of viewpoints and

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>experience levels, with the final group including six Democrats and

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>five Republicans. A staff of one hundred and fifty people

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>went through the thousands and thousands of pages of documents

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>that were involved in all this. We should take a

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>moment to talk about the FBI documentation. The FBI under

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>j Edgar Hoover was intensely bureaucratic, with a relentless focus

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>on documenting everything. Also, most of cointel Pro's existence took

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<v Speaker 1>place before the Freedom of Information Act was passed in

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven. All of it took place before the

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Privacy Act amendments were added in nineteen seventy four, which

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<v Speaker 1>gave citizens the right to see the FBI's files about themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, the FBI was right everything down, and

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>it was not doing so with the thought that anyone

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>might ever read any of this outside of the Bureau.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Whether the information flow was going out to field offices

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and agents or back into headquarters, nobody was disguising their

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>meeting or intent. Everyone was saying the quiet part loud

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and doing it in writing. Also, FBI documents from the

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>cointel pro era are full of racist slurs and offensive

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>stereotypes of black people. After the FBI formally started co

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>intel pro black nationalists slash hate groups, agents talked candidly

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>about how if they didn't do a good enough job,

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the Bureau was going to be forced to hire black agents.

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>This idea even came with its own slogan that mimicked

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the accent of Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, a rhyming

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>couplet that ended with the N word. Also, as a

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 1>continuation of that note there were only five black FBI

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>agents during most of the co Intel pro era. They

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>had been hired as personal assistants or drivers for J.

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Edgar Hoover, and then they had been given the title

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>special agent during World War II so that they would

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>not be drafted. So back to the investigations. Most of

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the hearings were behind closed doors, both to try to

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>prevent them from turning into a TV spectacle and also

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to protect information about the US methods for conducting intelligence work.

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<v Speaker 1>Even so, the hearings were criticized for threatening US intelligence efforts,

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and Senator Church was accused of using it to bolster

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a presidential bid. While the Church Committee wanted to protect

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>legitimate US intelligence efforts, it also wanted the public to

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to learn about what was going on,

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and to that end, the committee held public hearings in

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<v Speaker 1>September and October of nineteen seventy five. These hearings were

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>focused on specific areas of misconduct. This included information about

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a biological agent's program run by the CIA, a domestic

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>surveillance program from the White House, and the FBI's programs

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to disrupt the civil rights movement and the anti Vietnam

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 1>war movement. After one hundred twenty six full committee meetings,

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>forty subcommittee meetings, more than eight hundred witness interviews, and

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a review of more than one hundred ten thousand documents,

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the Church Committee issued a report that described quote a

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 1>pattern of reckless disregard of activities that threatened our constitutional system.

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 1>And this was not just unique to the FBI, but

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the FBI is our focus here. The report went on

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>to say, quote The abusive techniques used by the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>in co intel pro from nineteen fifty six to nineteen

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>seventy one included violations of both federal and state statutes

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:45.240
<v Speaker 1>prohibiting mail fraud, wire fraud, and citement to violence, sending

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>obscene material through the mail, and extortion. More fundamentally, the

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>harassment of innocent citizens engaged in lawful forms of political

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>expression did serious injury to the First Amendment guarantee of

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>freedom of speech and the right of the people to

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>assemble peaceably and to petition the government for our redress

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of grievances. The report also made it clear that the

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>national security and violence prevention concerns were not the FBI's

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>only motivation. Quote. The unexpressed major premise of the programs

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>was that a law enforcement agency has the duty to

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>do whatever is necessary to combat perceived threats to the

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>existing social and political order. Eighteen percent of the approved

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>co intel pro proposals targeted speakers, teachers, writers, or publications, meetings,

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 1>and peaceful demonstrations, all of which were just exercising a

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>constitutional right to free speech. Operations tried to stop lawful

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>speakers from speaking, teachers from teaching, writers from writing, and

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>demonstrators from demonstrating. The Senate Committee made ninety six recommendations

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to quote place intelligence activities within the Constitutional Scheme for

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 1>controlling government power. This included changes to how the FBI

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>was run that included a ten year term limit for

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the Director of the Bureau. It also included recommendations for

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>additional oversight within the Bureau. Every counterintelligence proposal had to

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>be approved by headquarters, but outside the Bureau the programs

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:25.360
<v Speaker 1>were almost completely unknown. Specific elements of cointel pro CPUSA

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>and White Hate were both known to various Attorneys General,

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>presidential advisors, and Cabinet and committee members. For example, Attorney

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.479
<v Speaker 1>General Robert F. Kennedy authorized the bureau's wiretaps of Martin

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Luther King junior. The Bureau also notified multiple Attorneys general

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 1>of various accomplishments and progress those are their words against

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the ku Klux Klan, without describing the breadth of what

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.280
<v Speaker 1>had led to that progress. Even with these two programs,

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>though the full scope wasn't known outside the Bureau, and

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>it appears that the other co intel pros weren't known

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>to anyone outside the FBI at all. Efforts to bring

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>in more oversight of the bureau's activities included the Foreign

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Intelligence Surveillance Act of nineteen seventy eight. The exposure of

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>co Intel Pro and the hearings that followed drastically affected

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>mainstream American perceptions of the FBI. According to Gallup polls,

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the proportion of Americans with a highly favorable view of

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the FBI dropped from eighty four percent in nineteen sixty

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 1>five to thirty seven percent in nineteen seventy five. At

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the same time, no criminal convictions followed the investigations and

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the Church report, even though that report detailed numerous instances

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>of criminal activity. As we said, the FBI is still

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>engaged in counterintelligence. In the years just after co Intel

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Pro was disbanded, the FBI did extensive counter intelligence work

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>against the American Indian Movement and the Committee in Solidarity

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 1>with the People of El Salvador. This included a disinformation

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>campaign during the nineteen seventy three occupation of Wounded Knee,

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>both to discredit the American Indian Movement to the general

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>public and to try to create division within that occupation.

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Co Intel pro has also made headlines at numerous points

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>since the mid seventies, comparing it to policies and programs

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>that have been introduced during multiple presidential administrations. This includes

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>comparisons to various aspects of the Patriot Act and the

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.280
<v Speaker 1>NSA's warrantless surveillance programs in the two thousands. The general

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>focus on black liberation as somehow inherently threatening and violent

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>has also continued to be part of the FBI's rhetoric.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, leaked documents revealed that

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 1>the FBI had targeted black identity extremists as a major threat,

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>with really similar language about potential violence to what was

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>used during Cointel pro Quote. The FBI assesses it is

0:38:55.560 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>very likely black identity extremist bie perceptions of police brutality

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>against African Americans spurred an increase in premeditated, retaliatory lethal

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 1>violence against law enforcement and will very likely serve as

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 1>justification for such violence. This was paired with criticisms that

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the FBI and other federal agencies were ignoring credible threats

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of white nationalist violence. Yeah, this was basically very similar

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>protests to what has been going on in the last

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>few months as we're recording this, which is on July seventh,

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, with demonstrators basically saying, please stop shooting unarmed

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>black people, and the FBI creating this category of black

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>identity extremist, which led people to go, that's not a

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 1>thing though, made that up to circle back around to

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the Citizens Commission to investigate the FBI. None of them

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>were ever prosecuted in connection with this break in in

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>media Pennsylvania. It is possible that law enforcement believed that

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the culprits went on to be involved with a different

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 1>group of anti Vietnam War activists who were known as

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the Camden twenty eight. This group broke into the Camden,

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, Draft Board office and they destroyed draft records there.

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>The Camden twenty eight were acquitted two of the Citizens'

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Commission to Investigate the FBI actually were involved in that,

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>So there's some speculation that law enforcement was like, well,

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>they've already been tried and acquitted of this other thing.

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>We probably have no chance. Regardless, though several members of

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI came forward in

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen. Their story is told in the book The

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<v Speaker 1>Burglary The Discovery of j Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI by

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Betty Metzger, who also wrote that front page Washington Post

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.479
<v Speaker 1>story that we mentioned earlier on. I have not read

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that book, but I have watched the twenty fourteen documentary

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, which also tells that story. It's Coen

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<v Speaker 1>tel Pro. I know it was a lot. Thanks so

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.920
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