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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous Texas mother of four,

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Speaker 1: a luxury realtor missing after a visit to a ritzy

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Speaker 1: private club. Screams then silence, according to neighbors, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Mom of fours, Suzanne Simpson is a no show, failing

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Speaker 1: to pick up her children from school. Her husband reports

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Speaker 1: her missing. Where is Suzanne?

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Speaker 2: So we're holding out hope that maybe, you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: she's trying to be away from the home, to get

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Speaker 2: away from that situation. That's not totally uncommon, but what

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Speaker 2: is in common. What is unusual is that this was

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Speaker 2: a woman who worked and was very dependable and loved

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Speaker 2: and her family and her friends.

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Speaker 3: Where is Suzanne?

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Speaker 1: What you just heard is from our friends at WAI

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Speaker 1: News for and that was the almost PD chief del

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Speaker 1: vi Legas.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, thank you for being with us tonight.

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Speaker 1: Tonight, the search has been excruciating for a beautiful mom,

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Speaker 1: Suzanne Clark Simpson.

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Speaker 3: This is what we know.

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Speaker 1: She and husband go to a ritzya club, they have dinner.

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Speaker 1: Video evidence has emerged of her leaving the last known

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Speaker 1: shot of her wearing a black, short sleeved apparently wrap

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Speaker 3: There we go, a.

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Speaker 1: Chunky bracelet or watch on her right hand, her shoulder

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Speaker 1: length hair down. And notice it's in daylight, the early

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Speaker 1: evening hours.

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Speaker 3: Why is it that in the last hours a.

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Speaker 1: Search through a dump full of trash is being conducted?

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Speaker 3: Again, thank you for being with us. What do we know?

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen again to almost Pdchiefy

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Speaker 2: Would love for her to be alive. Obviously, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: concrete that says she's not alive. And again I owe

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Speaker 2: it to the family. We all owe it to the

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Speaker 2: family to speak of her in a way where other

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Speaker 2: people have been found, like I said, injured and distressed, lost, troubled,

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Speaker 2: hiding away, all of those things are possible.

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Speaker 3: Yes, possible, true, but probable.

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Speaker 1: Not from our friends at WAI News for with me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know tonight, straight out first to a renowned forensic psychologist,

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Speaker 1: owner doctor Long and associates, doctor Lisa Long joining us,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Lisa Long, I hear what the chief is saying,

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Speaker 1: and he's right, But can we just be practical for

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Speaker 1: one moment, not one time in Susanne Clark Simpson's history

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Speaker 1: has she left her children alone.

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Speaker 3: And some of these are small children.

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Speaker 4: Right, That's certainly what makes it most concerning is that

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Speaker 4: it's not characteristic of her.

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Speaker 3: Guys, this is what we know.

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Speaker 1: We know that she was last seen on surveillance outside

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Speaker 1: that Ritzy Argyle club members only very posh, but then

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Speaker 1: screams were heard later, chilling screams.

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Speaker 3: There's the Argyle. So what do we know?

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Marisa Mendoza joining us investigative reporter at

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Speaker 1: News for San Antonio, who has been on the case

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Speaker 1: from the very beginning. And of course I don't say

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Speaker 1: the story. This is not a story.

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Speaker 3: This is real.

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Speaker 1: There are children looking for mom, and right now we

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Speaker 1: know that LA law enforcement is digging through and this

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Speaker 1: is so hard to do. This an art and a

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Speaker 1: science to it. I'm going to go to Brian Fitzgibbons

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Speaker 1: on that in a moment searching through a landfill a dump,

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Speaker 1: Wai and that's just the beginning.

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Speaker 3: in Heaven, that's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Three four feet deep of trash from all over the area,

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Speaker 1: There's probably rodents in there, rats and they are How

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Speaker 1: of that too. Marisa Mendoza Masa, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. Tell me about the night

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Speaker 5: may have said I'm busy. Suzanne said, I'll figure it out.

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Speaker 5: She figured it out. She went to the party and

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Speaker 1: Wet just on moment, I want to circle back to

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Speaker 1: the argyawin moment, I understand that they devote all the

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Speaker 1: Now you look at this and it looks amazing. It

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Speaker 3: But here's the reality, isn't it true?

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Speaker 1: finding Missing People. Brian, you can be rolling in money,

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Speaker 1: you are still not insulated from.

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Speaker 3: Crime, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: It's a common misperception that your status or wealth insulates

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Speaker 6: you from this type of event happening, and all too

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Speaker 6: often we see it in all types of communities.

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Speaker 7: So you can be be the poorest.

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Speaker 3: Of the pitches of the rich, you know. Marisa Mendoza

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Speaker 1: So she's there at this event, everything's going beautifully.

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Speaker 3: Then we see her leaving.

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Speaker 1: Now, that, as I said, was the last video surveillance

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Speaker 1: or photo that happened to catch her leaving, But it

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Speaker 1: wasn't quite the last time she was spotted.

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Speaker 8: Listen almost Park PD are desperately searching for a missing

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Speaker 8: mom of four. Suzanne Simpson fifty one, is a white female,

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Speaker 8: approximately five foot five, one hundred and forty pounds, with

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Speaker 8: Suzanne was last seen outside her East Almost drive home

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Speaker 8: Sunday evening after having a dinner at the Argyle, a

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Speaker 8: private club in Alamo Heights. Suzanne was last seen wearing

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Speaker 1: So actually Marisa neighbors saw her after she came home

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Speaker 5: So a neighbor from across the street heard arguing and fighting,

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Speaker 5: that I saw them. They were Brad was like trying

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Speaker 3: What was the neighbor doing up?

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Speaker 1: What attracted the neighbor's attention because there wasn't anything loud.

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Speaker 1: this altercation, this verbal argument.

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Speaker 5: Well, Nance, you have to imagine a neighborhood like almost Park.

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Speaker 5: It's very quiet and usually when you hear something arguing,

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Speaker 5: loud arguing, you will hear it. Because that neighbor lived

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Speaker 5: The neighborhood is upper class neighborhood. The homes they arrange

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Speaker 5: it over half a million to probably upwards of two million,

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Speaker 5: Most of the folks there are like the Simpsons. They

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Speaker 5: are upper class. They take very much pride in their community,

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Speaker 5: their families. They're very involved in church, in school. Just

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Speaker 5: very involved in her children's lives. It's very very disheartening

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Speaker 3: Ry So where did they get all the money? Where

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Speaker 5: We've been told by community members that both families are

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Speaker 5: very well to do. When I did a search on them,

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Speaker 5: there were leans on the couple over the past few years.

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Speaker 5: They were sued by American Express. So not all that

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Speaker 3: With me right now.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and Starve

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Speaker 1: Here series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan, WHOA, I

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Speaker 1: just heard something new. They had a lean from American Express.

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Speaker 1: You know those American Express spending limits can be thirty

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Speaker 1: forty fifty thousand dollars, so when you get a lien

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott that has often said murders can be about

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Speaker 7: Living beyond their means when you think about that, if

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Speaker 7: painting this picture of this environment in which they live,

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Speaker 7: simply based upon this party that they attend. You know,

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Speaker 7: they're not going to invite somebody like me to a

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Speaker 7: And of course that can create tension and nancy. As

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Speaker 9: Neighbors, here's screams, then a mama for goes missing. What

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Speaker 9: happened to Suzanne Simpson? Monday afternoon, Brad Simpson gets a

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Speaker 10: School staff are concerned because his wife, Suzanne is now

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Speaker 10: several calls. No one has heard from Suzanne, and coworkers

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Speaker 3: Brad Simpson reports his wife missing. Ben Power is joining me.

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Speaker 1: High profile criminal defense attorney joining us out of Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Ben, Thank you for being with us. Ben. Why is

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Speaker 11: I don't know when my own child's pickup is, But

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Speaker 1: I can't hear anything you're saying because of what you

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Speaker 3: How old are your children, Ben Powers?

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Speaker 11: I have a twelve year old and a four year old.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the twelve year old probably gets out around three

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Why do I keep hearing, Oh, I

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Speaker 3: Nobody picked up the kid. How can you not know

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Speaker 11: I think one explanation would be that they did have

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Speaker 3: After you made those.

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Speaker 1: Phone calls and wait, like that's normal, Empowers, that the husband,

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Speaker 3: See, I have a problem right that I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know him, but I already don't like him.

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Speaker 1: If anything you just said is true. So if you

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Speaker 12: Okay, that he had no idea, He just assumed they'd

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Speaker 3: Went, why where is she at three o'clock? Who took

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad you asked me because your mom mentioned

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Speaker 3: You know much. You know what I bet, Marisa?

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Speaker 1: I bet you not a betting person, So I go

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Speaker 3: I bet you one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: He didn't normally take them to school, so if he

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Speaker 1: He came back home?

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Speaker 3: Was she there then? Okay?

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Speaker 1: The whole drop off pickup thing is something to be examined.

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Speaker 1: But Marisa Mendoza question, so he realizes the piano hits

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Speaker 1: When did he report her missing?

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Speaker 5: Shortly after? I guess he picked up his child.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Brian Fitzgibbons, that is to his credit, because so often, Brian,

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Speaker 1: But you have the dad here or the husband reporting

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Speaker 3: She's gone at pickup time. So that's something, right.

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Speaker 6: I don't see it as a good mark in his case, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: because what we have is an immovable object. Suzanne was

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Speaker 6: set to be seen on the afternoon of Monday, October seventh.

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Speaker 3: He would have known that, all right, So she.

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Speaker 6: Was expected at that time and at that location.

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Speaker 1: Now the neighbor thinks he sees her out the window.

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Speaker 1: He thinks that here's an argument. But let's circle back

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 8: An hour after Brad and Suzanne Simpson return home from

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Speaker 1: So they're having somewhat of physical altercation right there in

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Speaker 3: Was he looking out the window? It was at night?

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Speaker 1: Could he see and what does he mean by they

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure he had a sight line.

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Speaker 1: To start with, because, oh, Maurice, I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 5: He is probably one of the residents that faces the

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Speaker 5: They probably that's when they went into the wooded area,

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Speaker 1: Benpowers, veteran criminal defense attorney, joining us tonight. Then there

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Speaker 1: are so many attacks on eyewitnesses by the other side.

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Speaker 3: That they saw. It's in the criminal code. It's so

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Speaker 1: So I want to nail down everything I can about

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Speaker 11: What they saw was so concerning and so certain? And

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Speaker 9: An extensive search underway in the woods surrounding Susanne Simpson's home,

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Speaker 9: where is the mom of four?

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Speaker 3: Suzanne and I had an opportunity to.

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Speaker 13: Talk for an hour before a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of this has happened. My speculation is.

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Speaker 13: Maybe the whole thing is alcohol related, because when she

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Speaker 3: But I never got to tell her the plan.

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Speaker 1: The single most dangerous for a time for a woman

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Speaker 1: Lisa Long dot com.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Lisa.

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Speaker 1: Other than when you're pregnant, which is one of the

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Speaker 1: The other time that it's equally as dangerous is when

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Speaker 3: True false, Yes, that.

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Speaker 4: Is true, Nancy, that is true. And we hear now

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Speaker 1: Explain to me, doctor lay so long, renowned psychologist, forensic psychologist.

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Speaker 3: Why is it?

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Speaker 1: And of course I don't expect you to crawl into

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean we can look at the cycle of abuse,

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Speaker 4: So that is why it's often more dangerous. The perpetrator

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Speaker 1: And doctor Lisa, in this case, we have two incidents.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the neighbor.

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Speaker 1: If the neighbors to be believed, and I see no

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Speaker 1: But that said, under our jurisprudence, individuals do not have

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Speaker 1: You're not under a legal or criminal duty to call

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Speaker 3: If you don't, then your crud.

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Speaker 1: If you do, then you're a good samaritan, but you

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Speaker 1: My point here is, doctor Lisa Long, is that there

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Speaker 1: of you, I want out, but to really do it.

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Speaker 1: Here you see the mother, Barbara Clark state, we've talked

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Speaker 1: a plan. That is a hard plan, doctor Lisa, right.

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Speaker 4: And so what you know, we could we could speculate

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Speaker 4: It's my understanding that she also had the conversation with

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Speaker 1: Plus, as Marisa Mendoza told us earlier from News for

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Speaker 3: And they settled that.

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Speaker 1: Now they had a lean on them by some contractors.

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Speaker 1: now they're having an argument in the driveway and she

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00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: wants to leave. He grabs her by the arm to

442
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Speaker 1: pull her back, and they move out of the neighbor's sideline.

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Speaker 3: What happens next?

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Speaker 15: Listen The Simpsons neighbor steps outside to see where the

445
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Speaker 15: couple went. There's no sign of Bread or Suzanne. Then

446
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Speaker 15: the neighbor freezes when they hear a scream from across

447
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 15: the street in Almost Basin Park, the neighbor hears two

448
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 15: more screams than silence.

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Speaker 9: The quiet, upscale neighborhood of Almost Park, Texas rocked by

450
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Speaker 9: chilling screams. What happened to mom of four Suzanne Simpson.

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Speaker 15: After giving an initial statement Monday, almost Park PD schedule

452
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Speaker 15: a second interview with Brad Simpson on Tuesday. Alarm bells

453
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 15: ring when Simpson doesn't show up. Family members say they

454
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 15: haven't heard much from Simpson since he left the home

455
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Speaker 15: he shares with Suzanne for his ranch in Bendera, about

456
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Speaker 15: an hour's drive away.

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Speaker 1: So he owns a ranch in Mandera an hour's drive away,

458
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Speaker 1: and I want to point something out what he heard

459
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Speaker 1: just before we went to break Maurice Mendozo joining US

460
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Speaker 1: News for San Antonio. So the neighbor goes back inside

461
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Speaker 1: after hearing the scream and silence, But then about an

462
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Speaker 1: hour later, what happens.

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Speaker 5: About an hour later, he the neighbor went back into

464
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Speaker 5: his apartment, and I guess Brad went on his merry

465
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 5: way to do whatever he needed to do. The interesting

466
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 5: thing that I wanted to add is we spoke to

467
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 5: that neighbor again last week off camera. He didn't want

468
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 5: to go on camera, but basically we asked him, why

469
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Speaker 5: did you not report what you heard and what you

470
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 5: saw Sunday night? And he said point blank that we

471
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Speaker 5: don't do that in this neighborhood. We don't say those

472
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Speaker 5: things to the police. And I said, well, when you

473
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 5: don't report those things, things like this happen, people end

474
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Speaker 5: up missing. I don't know if he regrets it. He

475
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 5: didn't say that, but that's what he said. We don't

476
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Speaker 5: do those things here.

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Speaker 1: Moason, isn't Mendoza, isn't it true that when the neighbor

478
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Speaker 1: goes back inside an hour later he hears he must

479
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Speaker 1: have a very change sense of hearing. He hears the

480
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Speaker 1: neighbor's garage door open. He says, Simpson back out and

481
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Speaker 1: black truck alone, and he returns.

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Speaker 3: Two hours later. This truck. Isn't that true, Marisa?

483
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Speaker 5: Yes, that's what he told police, and police had released

484
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Speaker 5: that picture a few days later, asking for the public

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Speaker 5: for help, asking them if you've seen this truck someplace,

486
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Speaker 5: please let us know. Reporters, We've asked police, have you

487
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 5: found anything in the truck anything related to Suzanne? They

488
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: have not commented if any DNA or anything of hers

489
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Speaker 5: was found in the truck.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is what we know.

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Speaker 1: Just got Morgan, professor forensic Jacksonville State University. Police have

492
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Speaker 1: Brad Simpsons Black twenty nineteen GMC Sierra at four A

493
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Speaker 1: Sira at.

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Speaker 3: Four black in color? Can we show that please?

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Speaker 1: The tag number is M mother D Dakota W windsor

496
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Speaker 1: seven zero five zero repeat M Mother D Dog W

497
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Speaker 1: windsor seven zero five zero.

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Speaker 3: And right now.

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Speaker 1: Police are asking if you have seen this vehicle, please

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Speaker 1: let us know. And Joe Scott, it wouldn't be the

501
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Speaker 1: first time a vehicle has cracked a case. Do you

502
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: recall the case of Cherish Perrywinkle that was kidnapped from

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Speaker 1: a superstore? Listen, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 16: Jackson one, No one's fine. Hi were calling about a

505
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 16: suspicious vent over how a white van. It's not there anymore.

506
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Speaker 16: But we don't know if he don't do me thin

507
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 16: because we heard to grow just got to do different Walmart, right,

508
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 16: So we're not sure besty van. But a white van

509
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 16: was pushed all the way to the back of the bushes,

510
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Speaker 16: right behind the church.

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Speaker 9: Behind es now and how long ago do you see it?

512
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Speaker 16: Seven twenty? We didn't know anything until it is now.

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Speaker 16: Do you think he may have dumped something? Right? We

514
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 16: don't know if they looked suspicious. It was away to

515
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Speaker 16: the bay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there was that case.

517
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Speaker 1: And of course when the PERPS vehicle was found, the

518
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: child was found nearby, half submerged in water, and did

519
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: And then of course does Scott who can forget the truck,

520
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the Ford Transit and the Gabby Potito murder.

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Speaker 4: Remember, listen, we came across a white van that had

522
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: Florida plates, a small white van.

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Speaker 15: This is most definitely Gabby Potito's board transit van.

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Speaker 3: So does Scott?

525
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: What what are they doing with Simpson's black truck right

526
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: now going over.

527
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Speaker 7: From Stem to Stern. If they have their hands on it,

528
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 7: they're going to look and listen, the fact that her

529
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Speaker 7: DNA would be found in the vehicle is no grand surprise.

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00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 7: They're married, so she would have occupied that space. The

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Speaker 7: key here, though, is the source of the DNA. And

532
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 7: what I mean by that particular is their blood on

533
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 7: any of those surfaces in there that can be tied

534
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 7: back to this mama. And we think about you know,

535
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Speaker 7: you couple that with this idea that they have gone

536
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 7: on this search and a landfill, Well, how are you

537
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 7: going to transport a grown woman's body anywhere? And would

538
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 7: there have been harm done to her?

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00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 7: I don't have to go very far to remind you that, right,

541
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Speaker 7: now we're in the middle of the Quentin Simon case,

542
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Speaker 7: and you know there was you know, a landfill involved

543
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 7: in that particular case. But you're talking about a precious

544
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 7: little boy here and easily moved about. With this, We're

545
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Speaker 7: talking about a full grown woman. So how do you

546
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 7: accomplish this task? There is something that the police know

547
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 7: that has driven them to the point where they're going

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00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 7: to assemble a team of cadets. And this is not

549
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 7: a lot undertaking, Nancy. This is a lot of heavy

550
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 7: lifting in order to facilitate this. You just don't do

551
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 7: this on a whim. So they have some kind of

552
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 7: biological evidence I would think that might tie this case

553
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 7: to maybe a disposal in a local dumpster or perhaps

554
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 7: in some bind somewhere that they can track, because tracking

555
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 7: is the key to anything involving a landfill.

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Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 10: After Almost Park PD speaks with the Simpsons neighbor, they

558
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 10: focus their searches on a wooded area in Almost Basin Park,

559
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Speaker 10: just across the street from the Simpsons home. Texas Rangers

560
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 10: and Texas Search and Rescue join Almost Park officers, bringing

561
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 10: several dog teams to comb the area. Meanwhile, a search

562
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 10: warrant is also executed at the Simpsons home. Police say

563
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Speaker 10: they have recovered several evidence items that have yet to

564
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 10: be analyzed, and are also trying to obtain digital evidence

565
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 10: from both Brad and Suzanne Simpson's devices.

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Speaker 1: Earlier, we heard Joe Scott Morgan opining on what has

567
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Speaker 1: led law enforcement to this dump. He thinks there's some

568
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: sort of DNA type evidence. I disagree. I think it's

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Speaker 1: very possible. Maria Mendoza Marisa Mendoza joining us. I assume

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00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: that police got search warrants and access the husband's cell

571
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Speaker 1: phone and laptops, all of his devices, and I'm wondering

572
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Speaker 1: if there he may have searched for the location of landfill.

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00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: If there is a possibility, they've already triangulated it and

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00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: gotten a ping near the landfill. What can you tell

575
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: us about the landfill search is going on right now?

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Speaker 5: What I can tell you is that they've been at

577
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Speaker 5: the landfill for the past few days. It was yesterday

578
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 5: when the chief went with a letter to almost Park

579
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: residents and said he felt confident that Suzanne's body was

580
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 5: going to be found in that area. When they initially

581
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 5: went to the landfill on Monday, it was a search.

582
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Speaker 5: We weren't really sure that it was one of four

583
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 5: searches in a search warrant four properties. I guess that

584
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: the search warrant called for, But the focus has really

585
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: been now on this southeast Beer County landfill in certain

586
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 5: parts of it. So it's really horrific to see what

587
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 5: people are going through all this trash and that she

588
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 5: could possibly be there.

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Speaker 1: Ravi As Gibbons joining us Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been part of or

591
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: tangential to a landfill search, but they are agonizing, they're tedious.

592
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: You have to look through every bit of trash, sometimes

593
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: three four feet tall, and you could be looking for

594
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Speaker 1: something as tiny as a digit.

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00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: Are part of a.

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Speaker 6: Digit, absolutely, Nancy, and these searches are done in a

597
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 6: very systematic way. And just like Joe Scott Morgan said,

598
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 6: these landfills are typically done on a grid system, so

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00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 6: they're going to have pretty accurate data as to where

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Speaker 6: to search, and then they begin going layer by layer,

601
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Speaker 6: setting up a secondary grid where the searchers will comb

602
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 6: through one layer of that debris to look for the remains.

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00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: Just got Morgan way in on landfill searches.

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00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so it is a grid search, and you

605
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 7: can't just so folks understand kind of the layer of

606
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 7: the land with a landfill, they are broken into grids,

607
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 7: and you can't continue to dump in the same spot

608
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 7: every time, so they rotate these around. The trick is

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00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 7: And what they do understand is every time you see

610
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 7: a truck go down your street that collects a garbage bin,

611
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 7: there is an assigned location that that truck will go

612
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 7: to at said land and they will begin filling that

613
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 7: particular grid and then they will begin to run over

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00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 7: it with the heavy equipment. That's a great shot. Our

615
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 7: production team does a great job with this, Nancy. Those

616
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 7: big steel tires that you see with the knobs, they're

617
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 7: compressing all this. We call this stratification of this debris.

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00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 7: So you'll have remains that are co mingled with all

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00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 7: of the household garbage and everything else. And this thing

620
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 7: is being compressed over and over and over again until

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Speaker 7: they're done with that grid. When you're doing a landfill search,

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00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 7: you block that grid off of the area that you

623
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Speaker 7: suspect that that truck may have dumped something in that location.

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00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 7: That's why I think they have information about this, and

625
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 7: you're going to go over this very painstakingly, and it

626
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 7: is not an easy undertaking. You can see these guys

627
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 7: out there in taivex suits. It's hot, it's miserable, and

628
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 7: you're trying to look for the finest detail that you

629
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 7: possibly can. Because once a human remain gets into this location,

630
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 7: whether something has happened to them like this memberment beforehand,

631
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 7: even if the body is intact, the body is going

632
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 7: to be greatly, greatly affected and it just it all

633
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 7: looks the same when you're out there. You really have

634
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 7: to adjust your focus when you're there.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, Joe Scott, how effective cadaver dogs would be.

636
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Speaker 3: In this scenario.

637
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Speaker 1: There's scent dogs which pick up on a live human,

638
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: then there's cadaver dog that picks.

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Speaker 3: Up on you know, disposed Yeah, well how would that work?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, their spectrum is is greater than ours to be

641
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 7: able to sense things through scent. However, when you get

642
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 7: into a landfill, you've got all of this organic material,

643
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 7: which means this biological material that's co mingled out there,

644
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 7: and I think that they could still get a hit Nancy,

645
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 7: but is going to add another layer of complication to

646
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 7: this even utilizing a cadap dog out there. A lot

647
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 7: of this is going to be accomplished through eyesight and

648
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 7: good old fashioned elbow grease. They're going to be taking

649
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 7: that debris that you're seeing right there, They're going to

650
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 7: take it to a separate location, and they're going to

651
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 7: sift through every bit of it. So you've got multiple

652
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 7: jobs that are being done out here. We're just seeing

653
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 7: right now them doing an assessment, a raking, and then

654
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 7: you don't really see them gathering the specific material and

655
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 7: taking it to a location and then's sifting through it

656
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 7: because all of it can again begin to merge, and

657
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 7: it's very confusing for anybody that's trying to identify anything

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Speaker 7: by sight.

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Speaker 1: And another thing, Brian Fitzgibbons, you see them wearing hazmat outfits.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine out in that heat, digging through all

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Speaker 1: of that filth. It could absolutely make you pass out,

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Speaker 1: oh for sure.

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Speaker 6: And you know, this reminds me of my days in

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Speaker 6: the Marine Corps, Nancy. This is like what we would

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Speaker 6: call mop gear wearing chemical suits. These cadets from sant Anto,

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Speaker 6: they're working really hard out.

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Speaker 3: There and sweating.

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Speaker 1: Having to breathe through has Matt and imagine just a moment,

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Speaker 1: if you can, that somewhere, somewhere in all of that

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Speaker 1: could be Suzanne's body, and somewhere right now her children

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Speaker 1: are wondering, where's mom. If you know or think you

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Speaker 1: know anything about the disappearance of Suzanne, or if you

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Speaker 1: believe you saw the husband's black vehicle, please call it

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Speaker 1: Detective Hector Ruis two one zero two zero nine to

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Speaker 1: seven zero one repeat two one zero two zero nine two.

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Speaker 3: Seven zero one.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests being with us

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Speaker 1: as we hope and pray for the best and the

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Speaker 1: search for Suzanne. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,