WEBVTT - Tonight There's Gonna Be a Jail Break: Two Escaper Boys 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.519 Ridiculous Crime is a production of Iheartradiozaren Burnette. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:06.680 Yo, Lizabeth Dutton, what's up, Claude? 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.240 Not much. How are you doing today? 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.520 Doing pretty well, doing pretty well? Thanks for asking? How 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:10.840 are you? 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:13.680 I'm great as always. I'm just great. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:14.680 So happy to hear that. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.200 Listen. You know it's ridiculous. Yes, I do, give it 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:18.480 to me. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.520 Okay, Elizabeth, all right, I'm not I want to preface this. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.439 I'm not making fun of the front part. I'm making 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.160 front of the back part. Okay. Last year, there's this 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.080 news story about this guy, Christian Montenegro, okay, and he 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.400 married a rag doll. Like, that's not I'm not casting 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:40.480 aspersions on this person. No, no, like his wife, Natalia 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.199 is a rag doll. And he broke up with his 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.320 ex girlfriend, right, and so then he started dating Natalia 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.920 the rag doll. And then he decided, well, I'm happy 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:51.440 with her. We can make a good life of this. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.200 So then he got married to the rag doll. And 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.319 people are like this, this is not right. People are like, no, no, 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.440 he's it's fine. So they're debating, right anyway, This is 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.640 the part that it gets me because I don't whatever 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.360 you've been marry what bridge, marry a building out? Okay, right, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.440 there was a video last year of him going to 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.160 the doctors in which he's called paramedics because he was 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.000 worried that his rag doll had fallen. Ill keep in 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.360 mind they have three rag doll children, so he was 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.559 worried he was going to be a single rag doll 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.520 father to their rag doll kids. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.760 Where where is this? 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.720 And it goes long enough that I do not think 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.319 it's a prank. I have to believe that this is 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.200 a compulsion. It is into South America. Why are you 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:36.399 being like, what does it matter? 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.440 Where he and slap them. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.080 It takes place in the land of magical realism, Colombia. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.880 Oh, Colombia, Columbia. So there you go, ridiculous, right, and 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:53.559 just the last part, guess what three rags ridiculous. 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.040 Three rag doll kids, a rag doll wife. And when 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.120 he gets sick he goes to a people a people hospital, Elizabeth, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.600 and he needs to go to a rag doll hospital. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.680 I'm all progressive. Where is. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.040 It not fine taking a rag doll to a human hospital? 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.560 It's like taking me to a vent that we come on, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.359 do you want to save your wife or. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.359 Not the event, because we got the cops on her too. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.320 That's why, honestly that I recommend it. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.639 I'm not going to be like, you know, if he 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.160 wants to leave a red No. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:27.320 Three or something together, I think we can afford another conversation. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.160 He sewed another kid. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.119 You don't get to do that kind of like, come on, now, 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.959 come on now, that is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Do you 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.960 know what else is ridiculous? No, but I'm here for it, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.840 escaping and then escaping and then escaping some more like 0:02:42.880 --> 0:03:06.639 the spirit This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:12.000 and outrageous capers. Heycin Cuns, it's always ninety nine percent 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.920 murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:16.040 No, you heard that. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:19.720 You've talked about escape artists. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.079 Before once or twice. Yes, I'm a fan those. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.120 Who break out of lock up and make it an 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.040 absolute art. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.000 Yes, a statement multiple attempts. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.000 A commentary on man's isolation amid the masses and desperate 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.040 need for liberation. You know something high falutine like that? 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:34.040 That? 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:39.040 Ta? I like that you focused on more recent ridiculous escapermen. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.640 Yes, and the ridiculousness of the artist. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.800 A postmodern analysis completely. I want to take us back. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.480 You heard I want to take his way back. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.000 Please lay back. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.320 I got two ogs for you to Oh wow, oh jeez. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:57.320 All right, let's start in the seventeen hundred. This is 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.840 like you starting everything going back to Dracula. Dracula. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.960 I'm always Yeah, when Memed the second could have killed Dracula, 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.440 Draca could have killed the second, go back to and 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.560 then he failed. Yeah, when Gladly and Paler failed to 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:15.160 kill Memo the second you get America, that's when. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.560 You're like, what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You're like, okay, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.400 well it starts with me. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.320 You know, Meed the second in the Fall of Constantinople 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:23.400 in fourteen fifty three. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.680 Now every time, so I'm taking to the seventeen hundreds, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.120 and I'm not going to mangle any French or Italian pronunciations. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:32.000 Oh man. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.680 Not because I've worked hard on my diction and my focus. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.960 It's because there aren't any nice raw Okay. So the 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.400 first dude is a fellow named Jack Shepherd. I can 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.120 say that nice you got that Jack Shepherd. He is, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:49.200 Now I'm gonna screw hard. He's known as the eighteenth 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.599 century's most notorious robber and thief. That's saying a lot. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.280 Is it purely in his home country of England, Likely 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.280 because he wasn't a global. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.240 Phenom, kind of a highwayman. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.160 Not really, you'll see. He was also referred to as 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.479 the most glamorous rogue in London. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.279 One of those kind of guy, yes, jigglob with deep pockets, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:11.400 he drops things in. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.600 He was born. He was born on March fourth. Did 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.800 you ever when when I was in high school, we 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.440 used to say to the nuns, like, you'd raise your 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.680 hand and be like, what's today's date, and they'd say 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.800 March fourth, and we'd all get up and walk forward. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.800 You're making that up. You did not really do that? 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.359 Did you guys actually get up out of your seats? 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.839 You really did? Multiple kids? 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.279 Yeah, just one time one March wow. And then we 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.320 looked at each other and we're like, oh god, I. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.600 Love that for you know, do you actually have that? 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.400 That's so precious and dear he was. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:44.599 But this was March forth. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.640 Oh wow, that's coming back, mourning coming back. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.240 Well, it's like better than when May the fourth, when 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.240 people do the whole star. No, no, no, March fourth 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.159 so his family was terribly poor. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:03.719 Okay. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.160 They lived in Spittlefields in London, in the East End. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:08.480 Spitfield. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.640 Well, No, the location gets its name from the fact 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.600 that many of the original inhabitants had both poorly formed 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.400 dentician and severe allergies. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.840 I don't leading them. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.400 Oh no, it led them to like produce abnormally large 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.359 quantities of saliva, and those were expelled as they yelled 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.560 at outsiders who crossed the area's large open meadow. Thus 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.320 Spittlefields pollen rich meadow. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.440 They gaps in their teeth. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.479 And they yelled at And do you think this is funny? 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.000 Do you think this is funny. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.359 Because it's not true. The land actually belonged to Saint 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.640 Mary's Spittle, a hospital built in eleven ninety seven. Yeah, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.520 so spittle is a corruption of the word hospital. Okay, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.280 but I think my explanation is way better. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.280 Oh yeah, to so much better. So they dropped the 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:58.480 hoe and made spittle. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.200 Yeah, drop the hoe made so. An earlier name for 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.800 the area was Lallsworth. Lol, like laugh out loud, You 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.440 did not you made that's true. That's true. So in 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.920 Jack Shepherd's time, it was an area notorious for highwaymen, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.600 as you said, bad men and prostitutes and so Jack 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.160 he stayed away from all that. When he was fifteen 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.240 he got an apprenticeship with a carpenter. Five years later, 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.280 he's twenty years old. Because I can do math and 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.240 I also had to be hooked on phonics. He was 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.800 an accomplished craftsman, of course, twenty years old. He was 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:34.560 a small fellow. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.080 They don't have TV. No, he was all the time 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:38.640 in the world. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.520 He was too poor for it. Everyone else had it. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.440 I was on your candle light. You can be working kid. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:47.480 He was a litland He was five four spine bone slight, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.120 but he had like this dazzling smile. He didn't have 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.640 the Spittlefields dentician. He had a dazzling smile and a 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.520 magnetic personality, okay, And so that made him really popular 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.240 in the neighbor especially in the pubs. And it was 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.920 in those taverns that he fell in with the wrong crowd, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:12.120 the shady underbelly of Spittlefield. And so most notably was 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:19.720 a prostitute named Elizabeth Lyon aka Edgeworth Best Edgeworth, Edgeworth, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.160 Best District Best Best was a big, beautiful mama whole 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.360 lot of rosa very popular with the fellas, and Jack 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:33.520 was sprung hubba hubba. And so the more time and 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.440 money he spent with best, the deeper into that dark 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.240 side of things he got. Lots of drinking, lots of carousing. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.000 This wasn't good for woodworkings. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.000 Are no will be selling his tools? 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.760 Yeah? Well, as a one time man of the trades, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.760 you know that you have to be able to focus 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.680 and show up on time and get the work done. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.959 Oh yeah, and you have to tell your tools you. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.840 Can't send things just you can't like send things to 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.560 voicemail and ignore the inbox. So his income took a 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.200 dip and he wasn't getting the work he once was 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.719 because he was spending all this money on booze and 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.520 on yeah, and so he had to make ends meet. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.760 He needed cash. He started stealing. In the spring of 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.000 seventeen twenty three, he got busted for the first time shoplifting. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:15.760 Taking other people's tools. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.000 Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover, he yelled, Did 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.040 he really that's no, that's a smith's lyric. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.480 Oh. I thought that they pulled it from him like 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.680 it's an old British story. I just have never. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.920 Heard he had. He was Spinhall over. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:28.920 The I'm not going to believe anything. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.600 So soon enough, he starts hanging out with a very 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:39.480 bad ombre named Joseph Blake aka Blueskin. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.040 William Blake's little brother. Blueskin. Are you kidding me? 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.680 No, one's really sure how he got that name. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.600 Colloidal silver, that's how he got that name. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.120 He had like a really swarthy complexion. He was also blue, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.920 super hairy, Okay, especially in the facial region, So maybe 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.400 that was it. This is what they're speculating. Okay, some 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.439 thought maybe had a port wine birthmark. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.600 Okay, maybe he's more sense, lot more sense. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:01.800 He could have been part smurf. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:08.199 That's I'm going with that one. Smurf from the waist down. Okay, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.880 be like a mermaid or something. Yeah, it's like fish 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.960 for the waist down. He's smurf from the waist down. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.319 Blueskin something. He doesn't wear pants a lot because everyone 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:15.760 can see. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.280 Okay, well, but I thought his feet he can't hire that, 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.400 yeah blue foot. Well his legs, they see his ankles, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.280 they go out, they go all the way up. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:33.160 Any blueskin, Blueskin, he shows Jack Shepherd the Ropes takes 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.400 him from an amateur shoplifter to a professional thief. He's 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.319 good at it, but he's also not good at it. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.959 He's an interesting line there, professional thief amateur SHOPLIFTERA when 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:44.800 someone else pays you. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.920 Enough, did you get you get sponsorships? 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.120 Okay, there you go. You're a factory rider exactly. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.800 So he gets arrested and imprisoned five times between seventeen 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:59.839 twenty three and seventeen twenty four. Of those five arrests, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.800 he got out four times. The poor folks in Spittlefields 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:05.920 loved this, of course they loved it. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.680 They had no TV, they had no TV. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.000 But the rich people in town did. So. Let's take 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.280 a look at his first escape. Seventeen twenty three. He 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.480 got sent to Saint Anne's Roundhouse for pickpocketing. That's where 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.600 they invented the roundhouse. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.880 They had the roundhouse just for pickpockets. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:23.719 It's where they invented it. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.079 Like all the cut purses go here. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.800 Yeah, Bess came to visit him, and that was a 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.760 bad idea because the jailers recognized her as a lady 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.640 of the night and then she gets arrested. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.800 No, just in some position. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.120 Yeah, she wasn't out. I think she had like warrants. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.160 And so she and Jack they're sent together to new 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.400 prison in Clerkenwell, and it was there that they were 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.199 locked in a cell known as the newgate Ward. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:48.360 Oh okay, I think I've heard of. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:53.960 Yeah. Somehow Jack gets a hold of a file these things. Yeah, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.319 and so the couple they'd only been locked up overnight, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.439 but it was too much for Jack. He's like, I 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.040 can't take this with Jack, he filed his way through 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.679 his shackles. Then he used the file to gouge a 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.360 hole in the wall right under the window, Not like 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.000 a big hole that went all the way through, just 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.280 one that like it was placed as such that he 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.439 could loosen one of the iron bars that blocked the 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.360 wig window and wiggle it out of place. So they 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.599 got the window open. Bess and Jack tied sheets and 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.400 blankets together and did the old cliche rope out of 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.439 the window escape. They lowered themselves to the ground, and 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.080 then they climbed over a twenty two foot high wall. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.400 Wow, freedom, how are you going to do that? 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:30.280 They did it. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.840 Twenty twenty two feet. If they're standing on one shoulder 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.520 and you get one up the other one has to pull. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.000 The other one five foot flour exactly. He's not. She's 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.560 a she's a big lady. Yeah. I don't know how 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:42.840 they did. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.480 She she threw them over and rope back over. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.400 Let's say that's how it happened. All right, let's just 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.319 say it. I'm going to go ahead and say it. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.439 She threw him over the wall. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.240 Like it like, rope back over exactly, she climbed up 0:12:58.280 --> 0:12:59.480 and got a baby. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:00.760 They went in prisons. No more. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.200 That's a lot of filing too, and you were trying 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.160 to file through metal that Can we just say. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.920 Cute couple alerts? Oh my god, go to jail together. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.439 Oh dude, ship them forever. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:15.120 Seventeen twenty four. A year later, Jack's twenty two. He 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.240 was still on his thieving bs. He gets caught. He 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.360 was convicted of burglary and sentenced to death. It seems 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.240 like a lot for theft. Yeah, So back to Newgate. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:26.079 What did he steal? 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.360 I don't know. He stole the Declaration of Independence before 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.840 it was written. The cell for the Condemned at Newgate 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.120 was at the end of a dark passage, and to 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:36.880 get to the passage you had to go through this 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.200 hatch that was like ringed with huge iron spikes. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:40.880 Are you kidding? 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:45.400 No, So that's true. August thirtieth, seventeen twenty four, Jack 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.360 filed away at one of the spikes Nice so that 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.319 with a little push it would just snap right off. Okay, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.120 he got it almost through, and once again Best comes 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.480 to visit Nice, and I'm guessing she didn't have warrants 0:13:58.559 --> 0:13:59.800 this time. She just like, I'm good. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.280 She brought the rope, and then she. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.200 Brought another prostitute with her, a gal named mal Maggot, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:13.040 mall maggot, m o l l oh mall like Molly Maggot. Okay, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.040 And now I'm not of that world, but I would 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.120 imagine that's not a name that drums up a lot 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:18.960 of business. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.760 Very specific type of business. Maybe she's like going for 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.400 the goth guys and she wants them to know, like 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:25.760 perhaps you know a dead girl. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.160 Oh be sick. Okay, So Bess and Maul they waltzed 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.680 to visit Jack on death Row and they managed to 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.120 distract the guard. How okay, magic trick, I you know, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.920 I can't imagine how. And so while the guard was 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.160 otherwise occupied, Jack snapped off the spike and then he 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.040 was able to squeeze through the space and make a 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.400 break for it, and the girls helped him run off, 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.760 and then they all went together. Maggot time, maggot so. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.040 But he only tasted freedom for a couple months then 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.440 he gets locked up. His last escape was his most 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.440 famous one. It was October fifteenth, seventeen twenty four, and 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.640 there's a lot of footage of the escape available online. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:07.360 You keep doing that, you know. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.160 So the location was once again Newgate Prison. The jailers 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.560 cuffed him while he was in the cell, hoping that 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.560 would prevent him from getting out sometime again with cheese. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:17.520 What are they cuffing him with? 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:22.640 He just always rope, like loosely woven hemp rope. So 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.720 at some point he managed to get his thin wrists 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.280 out of the shackles, and then he pulled a loose 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.080 nail out of the wall. Which is why maintenance is important. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.800 So important. It's the little things. Yeah, broken window policies, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:35.320 I'm telling you. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.720 So he used the nail to pick the lock on 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.440 the chain that connected his ankle to the floor, and 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.360 then he used the nail to pick the lock on 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.120 the door. Oh yeah, And then he used the nail 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.280 to pick the lock in the area outside the block 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.760 where he was kept, and then another lock and another lock. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.240 This is like the TV shows I watched, like The Musketeers, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.160 Like this is so the medieval escape plane. Totally get 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.960 a nail, work it out of something. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.160 And you know, he's on the roof of the prison. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:15:59.960 I love this for him. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.760 He still had a shackle around his ankle, and oh 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.720 I forgot Then he's like, oh man, I forgot something. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.200 So he runs back to the cell and he grabs 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:08.760 a blanket. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.320 He breaks back into the prison. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.000 Where's the staff? Where's the staff? Anyway, he runs back 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.200 up to the roof with the blanket and he uses 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.400 it to slide over to the roof next door, and 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.680 then he pops into a top floor window. This place 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.840 was someone's home and snuck around and then out the 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.360 front door. And he waited until the morning, and he 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.880 went to a cobbler. Smart so being the local folk here. Yeah, well, 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.120 he was able to convince the cobbler to cut off 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.200 the leg. Iron I feel like I would have gone 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:38.440 to a blacksmith, but like, you. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.600 Know, any port similar tools. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.440 So he swanned around for two weeks just partying it up. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.240 And then the law caught up with him, and when 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.000 they went to make they went to arrest him. Dude 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.520 was hammered. What Yeah, he was wasted. So he didn't run, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.280 he didn't resist, he's just all how dry. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:58.600 Jack. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.320 Of course, he gets arrested, he's convicted and once again 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.479 sentenced to death. I told you he was a folk hero, yes, already. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.480 When it was time to take him to the gallows, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.280 the road leading there was lined with women crying and 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.600 like wailing and throwing flowers at his speak. Ladies, man 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.119 to the end, you know. Daniel Dafoe, author of Robinson Cruiser, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.119 not personally but yes, big fan of Jack's. Earlier in 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.720 the year, Jack Shepherd had written an autobiography, What a 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.040 narrative of all the robbery's escapes, et cetera of John Shepherd. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.840 That was his book, except Jack didn't write it. Daniel 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:38.000 Dafoe did. Yeah. They're pals, and it's called Ghost Road, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.080 he writes book. Yeah. So, and they were such pals 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.560 that Daniel Dafoe and his publisher came up with a 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.080 plan to wait fifteen minutes after Jack got the rope 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.159 and then grabbed the body, and they wanted to revive him, 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.040 which they heard had worked a couple of times. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.040 Yeah, back then, sometimes hangings you'd hear about this. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.200 It's the old equival of like one hack. They don't 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.560 want you to know, like you can wait fifteen. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.040 Well sometimes that's the next. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.040 Yeah, my cousin knows a guy who knows a guy 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.800 who brought a handman back to life. That kind of 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.919 thing totally works. They saw it on the hit ABC 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.840 show nine one ps nine one one got even campier 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.320 from Fox to ABC. It's amazing and I love it, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.560 but I don't watch TV anyway. Jack, he didn't make it, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.400 and Daniel Dafoe is unsuccessful. This is like my one 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.239 percent where it's murdered by the state. Yeah, it's up 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.440 for debate anyway, Rip to that man. Plays were written 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.840 about Jack and performed after his death. In eighteen forty, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.040 William Harrison Ainsworth wrote a novel called Jack Shephard and 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.119 it was crazy popular, and the authorities didn't care for that, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.440 so much so that they refused to license any plays 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.240 in London with Jack Sheppard in the title for forty 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.160 years after the publication. That takes it to one hundred 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:48.439 and fifty years after his dath. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:48.680 Damn. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:50.320 Yeah, let's take a break. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.000 Dude. Wait before we take a break, Harry Styles, get 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.440 on this. You can get back from Timothy Shallame all 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:56.720 the ris he's stolen from you. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:57.359 This is it. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.879 Yeah, now get it, and also a David Bowie soundtrack. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.199 It's perfect. When we come back. I'm going to tell 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.240 you about a guy who was often compared to old Jack. Yeah, 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.360 escaper boys, Yes. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.960 I'm digging this, dude, That Jack Shepherd was dope. What 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:30.600 else you got? 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.239 Well, we're having a lot of fun, yes we are. 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:34.800 And I've already killed a. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.120 Man off you table the state, no less so this news. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.600 Henry Moore Smith is his name, Henry Morris Smith, m 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.240 O r E. Like just how much Smith Morse? Yeah, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.320 Henry Moore Smith. He was the North American Jack Shepherd, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.320 an escape artist, sort of a folk hero. O. This 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.760 all goes down about like one hundred years after Jack 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:01.720 Shepherds eighteen thirties, twenties eighteen, early eighteen teens. Smith is 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:06.240 a con man, horse thief, burglar, and most importantly an 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.240 escape artist. He had a bunch of aliases. Frederick, Henry Moore, 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.600 Henry J. Moon, William Newman, you know whatever those. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.640 Are good forgettable but sounding really good names exactly. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.959 So eighteen twelve, he arrives in Halifax. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.240 Nova Scotia, Canadian. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.600 He was vague about where he'd come from or like 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.800 where he was born. There are no records of him 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.320 prior to this time. He was well dressed and polite 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.959 in his mid twenties. He said he was a tailor, 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:35.880 and then he'd just arrived from England. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.280 Okay, so one local, pretty good story, because there's a 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:40.200 lot of makes sense. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.800 Yeah, a local said quote. He was perfectly inoffensive, gentle 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:50.000 and obliging, used no intoxicating liquors, refrained from idle conversation 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.200 in all improper language, and was apparently free from every 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:53.960 evil habit. 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.800 That's weird, correct me if I'm wrong, But they you 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:58.600 be describing me? 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.600 Oh, I know you never said a bad word in 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:01.000 your life? 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:02.879 No, I mean is that where we were reading it? 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:08.240 You no intoxicating liquors, doesn't smoke weed. Yeah, never like 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:10.320 the Zaren Burnett story. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.040 I never bad language, Elizabeth. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.840 Smith though. He said he went to Cambridge and so 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.800 just like you. Of course, fancy is what I'm trying 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.160 to He also said he said he could speak five languages. 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.359 It's basically the Zaren Burnette. He said he had a 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:36.280 small fortune held in the Bank of England. Bingo. Here's 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.159 one where it's like I was reading this and I 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.280 was like, is this Zaren or is this this Smith. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.840 That's because he carried a Bible with him all the 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.720 time and he could recite whole chapters of scripture. 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.320 Oh yeah, and you want to hear Ruth. I'll tell 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:55.439 you right now, lays Ruth the whole thing. And they 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:57.600 have some kings to next maybe judges, what do you 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:58.560 got how much time. 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.879 You They would ask this guy by his spiritual pass like, 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.239 tell us about your spiritual that's the question, right, I'm 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.479 going to start asking Pew And he said he ran 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.920 a Methodist prayer meeting back in England just like you. 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.840 Here's one that actually I could see you doing. One 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:18.800 time someone asked him where he was from, and he 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.040 just laughed and pointed at the full moon. 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.360 That's very I'm gonna in the act. 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.719 And so you know, all these people like they're kind 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.399 of captivated by him. One person was John Bond, not 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:39.119 John Bond, Jovie John Bond, John Bond exactly, uh double 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.080 o six. He thought that Smith was the Beasknees, so 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.400 he hired him to work on his farm near Windsor, 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.520 just northwest of Halifax, and Smith he fit right in 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.480 with the family. He joined them for meals and prayers. 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.560 He was like, hold on, I need to pray before 0:22:54.600 --> 0:23:00.560 I eat this rule. So he also romance the daughter. 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:03.760 There are a lot of Elizabeths going on here today. 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:08.480 God's a big fan of and so ministers. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:12.080 As was the custom of the day, Smith married Elizabeth 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:12.640 within the year. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.159 There you go, hey, quick, dude. It happened. 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:18.240 The couple moved out and Smith started his own tailor shop. 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.280 He's like, you know what, I'm just going to go 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:24.359 out on my own here. Things were blissful, and until 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:29.520 they weren't. In Halifax at the big fancy mansions, things 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.800 started going missing. Someone was slipping in during the night 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.040 and stealing silver, jewelry, anything else of values, virtues. And 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.920 it wasn't just palatial homes. Offices and stores got it, 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.040 and it wasn't just expected high ticket items. The Chief 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:50.240 Justice of the British Colony of Nova Scotia, Samson Salter Blowers. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:51.240 That's a hell of a name. 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.000 Samson Salter Blowers. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.560 Or Salter Blowers yeah, he had. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.320 Three law books taken from his chambers. To the judge, 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.960 He's like, I kind of need those, you guys. He 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.040 offered a reward for their return, and a few days later, 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.480 Henry Moore Smith shows up. He's like, I'm here to 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:10.320 take the reward. 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:11.040 He heard the book. 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.359 He's like, I bought these from a stranger, you know, 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.440 as you don't. I don't practice the law, but I'd 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.320 like these expensive law books please. You know, he's like 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.040 sitting minding his own business, sitting on a bench reading 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.359 the Bible, just like sunning himself. Dude comes up. You 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.520 look like you're into big books. You want to buy 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:33.720 some lawbooks. So the townsfolk weren't fools, so like where 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:37.040 Smith is living in Windsor, they start thinking, like, hold 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:40.399 on a second. He goes to Halifax a lot, and 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.239 he leaves early in the morning, and he doesn't come 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.600 back to like the next day he returned those books. 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.120 Why would he buy them when he comes back from. 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:50.920 Before? 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:53.440 And he always has stuff with him when he gets 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.240 back from Halifax, like random stuff and sometimes a lot 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.200 of cash. And then there was a break in the case. 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.359 Man got pinched for stealing a coat. But He swore 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.600 up and down that he'd bought the coat from Smith, 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.239 so the authorities issued an arrest warrant. They headed out 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.200 to pick Smith up in Windsor, but he was already 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.280 in the wind That was his first escape, with many 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.640 more to come. He disappeared for almost two years. There 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:21.400 you go, yeah, and so what of Elizabeth, Right, She's 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.960 just probably go back to the farm. I feel for 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:25.040 the Elizabeths of the world. 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:25.560 Yes, you do. 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.959 So. Two years later, eighteen fourteen, he popped back up 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.199 in Saint John, New Brunswick, and he was making friends. 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.960 So he buddied up with an officer of a local regiment, 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.840 Colonel Daniel and All. Danny wanted a horse, but not 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.960 just Danny horse. He wanted a black horse that would 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.800 match the team that pulled his carriage. It was all 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.040 about the esthetics of it, you know, you know, you 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:50.720 might as well be. 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:51.880 Get the horse you can get. 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.359 So his new pal Smith is like, look at me, 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:56.960 I'm coming to the rescue. I know exactly where you 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:01.000 can get one. That's exactly what you want. Daniel gives 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:02.879 him the money, go buy the horse for me, like 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.879 you know, orders him around. That's your new friend. You 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.600 make him go to your military. And so Smith gets 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.119 the money and you can guess what happened. 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.000 He took off never see him again. 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.200 He took the money and ran no horse, no horse. 0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:18.919 So he still wanted a horse for himself though. Smith 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:23.280 got it in my head when someone's like, you know, 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:24.560 they suggest something, you know. 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.439 Do you want a burrito? And you're like, I didn't, 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:27.200 but now I do. 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:28.840 Now I think I could go from now. 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.600 I got the money for a burrito exactly. 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.840 So he wants a horse. But at the same time, 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:36.960 he didn't want to use all this cash that he had, 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.920 so he stole one that belonged to Will's Frederick Knox, 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.959 a magistrate, and he likes sticking it to the legal establishment. 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.560 Yeah, so why not go right to the man who's 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:49.080 gonna bust you. 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.280 Will's Frederick kna the magistrate. He was the son of 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.520 a British Undersecretary of State, and he really loved his 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.440 horse and he wanted it back. So he gets word 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.080 of this and like a description of Smith, and he 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.719 chased after Smith for four days trying to catch him 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.400 and get the horseback. Like he wanted justice. He cold justice. 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.840 I'm surprised he didn't hire like some Scottish clan to 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:15.320 hunt him down or something. 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.399 He found Smith four days later, three hundred miles away 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.400 and picked two Nova Scotia. 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.680 And I will take old Nova SCOSTI. Oh not pick two? Yeah, 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.520 I thought I just take any two Nova Scosts you 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:31.600 were offering. Sorry, go on. 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.600 So they he gets arrested. He tries to escape a 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.400 handful of times from this, but he's eventually brought back 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.520 to New Brunswick for trial. So while he's locked up, 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.760 Smith meets a guy who will change his life. And 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.800 the man was named Walter Bates, and he was the 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:54.080 county sheriff. They actually wind up changing each other's lives. 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.720 Bates became obsessed with Smith. Wait what the sheriff. The 0:27:58.840 --> 0:27:59.920 sheriff fascinated. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.160 He's not behind bars, He's not a dirty sheriff. He's 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:03.360 running this person. 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.200 Running the prison. He's like a straight ahead. He later 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:10.560 wrote about Smith quote as a character singular and unprecedented. 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:12.919 He was just fascinated by him. 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:13.720 Really yeah. 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.800 So as the trial approached Smith, he keeps moaning about 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.520 a pain in his side. Real bad, he said, like 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:23.240 real bad, it hurts. 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:24.840 I got big bad booboo. 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:29.080 Bates is like, how did that happen? That's how he talked. Yeah, 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.159 We've heard tapes, I've seen video. He's like, how did 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:37.119 that happen? And Smith told him that when Knox caught him, 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:39.480 he hit Smith in the side with the butt of 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.600 his pistol and that whether he broke a rib or 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.040 damaged an Oregon, who knows, but he's just in complete agony. 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.240 Baits is like, oh my god, that's terrible. 0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:50.440 You got busted guts man. 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.120 Yeah, So he gets worse and worse, and they Bates 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.239 brings in a bunch of different doctors to look at him, 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.360 but they couldn't seem to make it any better. And 0:28:58.440 --> 0:28:59.840 when it got to the point where he could like 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.560 hardly lift his head, he asked for someone to come 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.880 and take down his will as he was going to 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.880 dictate it to so Bates he wrote to call on 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.040 Smith's lawyer. He said, quote, I fear we shall be 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.200 disappointed in our expectations of the trial of the prisoner 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.560 more Smith at the approaching court. I presume from his 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.560 appearance he will be removed by death before that time. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:23.440 Death is a coming on a coling. 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.440 Yeah, he's not going to make it to trial, and 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.880 that afternoon Smith screams out in pain and he asks 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.320 the guard to heat up a brick and bring it 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:32.360 to warm his feet. 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.160 Okay, brick, you know they put it in like a blanket, and. 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.400 Like the tender hearted guard, he's like, oh my god. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.720 Of course he ran to get him the brick, and 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.520 then he accidentally left the cell door open, and like 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:46.880 the guy can barely move. You're not thinking, you know, 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.680 he's just his eyes are rolled back and he's on 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.520 his steathbed. The guard comes back with the brick and 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:58.320 Smith is gone. He played the long game. Yeah, that 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.360 was a long so Ba and the brick toning guard. 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.800 They wound up facing charges of negligence for allowing the 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:09.560 prisoner to escape, and New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Wetmore, 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.120 he put up a reward for Smith's capture. 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:13.360 I want more. 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.280 It wasn't like he was laying low and hiding out there. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:16.680 Where is? 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:22.560 He started burgling on the regular. He lifted a silver watch, cash, 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:24.520 like a bunch of other stuff from a house near 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:25.040 the jail. 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:26.520 Oh, go off again. 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.520 He's like, I know where I need to go. I'm 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:35.360 going west to Maine. Oh right, So He's like he 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.880 stopped for food at a tavern, and while he was there, 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.800 he stole a bunch of silver teaspoons. I just can't 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.840 control himself. He stayed at an inn near Fredericton, the 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.440 colony's capital, Oh, of course, and stole a bunch of 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.640 expensive clothes out of someone else's luggage. Like he went 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.880 into their roomins zink my hands. 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:54.960 Everything stickies to him, what kind of things? 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.920 Like the fellow travelers, they didn't suspect him of anything. 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.960 They he told him he was a businessman of one 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.280 of them. He's like, I'm a bounty hunter chasing an 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.240 army deserter. Here's the best. He's like, I'm a law 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.920 man on the trail of a notorious horse thief who 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.720 broke out of Kingston jail chasing myself. All of his 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.400 tall tails and small sifts caught up with him. He 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.840 was busted just as he was about to enter the 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.240 United States. They locked him up ankles and wrists, and 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.160 they sent him back to Kingston to stand trial. The 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.240 whole wrists and ankle thing wasn't enough, though, because like, 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.800 once again, he slips the shackles and he finds sweet, 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.760 sweet freedom. He'd only been in custody a few hours 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.720 when he took off into the night. So he heads 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.840 back to Fredericton and once he's there he steals choice. 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:47.920 He steals another horse. It's like the hot wiring of 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.440 the day. He steals him from stables at night. But 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.560 it'd be funnier if he horse jacked him. Like you know, 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.760 someone's riding up and they get a stop, he shoves 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:02.800 him off his saddle and rides off plates to so 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.880 remember New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Whatmore, the one who 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.920 announced the rewards leading to his capture. So on the 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:14.360 run this time Smith broke into his house and while 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.560 Wetmore was having a dinner party. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.040 Yes early dinner gang energy completely. 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.600 And so he didn't crap on the drapes like that. 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.960 Instead he grabbed a bunch of the guests coats and 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.880 scurried away like that'll show them. 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.400 I love in Canada. Stealing coats is the mood. 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.000 Like this time the cops found him, they hauled them away. 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.040 Where was he hiding in a barn? 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:37.240 Okay, I. 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.960 Think he was probably All his loot, including the coats, 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.320 was hidden under the hay in the law and so 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.560 you know. They like, He's like, fine, fine, you got me, 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.520 you got me. Let's take a break. We come back. 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.760 I'm going to tell you about his next adventure. And 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:56.880 it's a doozy. 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.680 Elizabeth Zarin, Hey, I got first time you did? 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.960 You came in first, good job. So Henry Moore Smith? 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:24.800 How much Smith? 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:25.640 More Smith? 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.160 Smith? They brought him back to Kingston, the one in Canada, 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.760 not in Jamaica. Ah, and they locked him up. 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.640 Yeah, that one has not as good as music. 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:38.280 Yeah, the Jamaican So back with he's back with Sheriff Bates. 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.080 He loves him and Bates. Yeah, Bates is fooling around 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:46.960 this time though. They well, they gave Smith the full 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:51.720 body search and then they chained him to the floor 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:56.960 by the leg. So it wasn't long before a sound 0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.840 was heard. Not Smith crying in agony over a created ailment. 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.200 It was the sound of filing metal, of course. So 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.760 the guards run to the cell and they find him 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:07.920 halfway out the window. 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.480 Just liked Baker working for him. 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.960 I get that for you. Baits baits Baker. So they 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.040 they find him hanging halfway out the window, They grab 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.719 his legs, they ink him back into the cell. They 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.759 demanded that he hand over the tools that he'd used, 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.279 and so he passes them this little saw that he 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.480 made out of a knife blade. He's like, oh shucks. Yeah, 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.319 and I don't know how he got that one in there, 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:32.480 but he did. 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:33.080 Don't want to know. 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.000 I don't want to know. Like maybe he started sporting 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:36.920 a huge pompadour. 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:40.919 Yeah, probably was probably. 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.319 So the guards they got a new chain and they 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.520 locked him up again, and then they heard a noise, 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.719 the same metal filing noise. Now you and I have 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.920 learned that modern day bank employees would probably assume it 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.680 was rats or a short in the candle scorners. They'd 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.759 shrug it off and then they get cleaned out. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:00.840 That can't be filed. 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:03.759 We took the file, so luckily these guards were on it. 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.279 So they dashed back to the cell and they find 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.880 Smith sitting there kind of like a kid who is 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:10.799 just doing something and then ran back to the bed 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:12.799 to sit on it like a good god seeing child. 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.319 He's absolutely nothing, absolutely just sitting there staring back at 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:17.000 you totally. 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:19.120 So the guards tell him stripped down. 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.880 Oh and so he's like, what is this? 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:27.440 Three doors? So he obeyed, and the guards discovered a 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:32.040 ten inch saw blade tied to his thigh with a string. Wow, 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:32.920 that's comfortable. 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:34.919 Yeah sounds wow. 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:39.200 Okay, Sheriff Bates outraged. He's just livid. 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.640 I thought I could trust Yeah, he's always been through. 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.080 He's like, I'm not about to be embarrassed again. So 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.840 he calls a blacksmith and he orders the guy to 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.840 craft an iron collar oh for Smith, and leg irons 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.920 and handcuffs, and then he wants each of those chained 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.920 to the floor. The whole get up wound up weighing 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.680 forty six hounds. Wow. Can you imagine that? 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.200 I know who hired the kinkster to run the prison? 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.800 Like ca can you picture it? Zarn? 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:09.239 No, I don't think I can. 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.800 Close your eyes. Oh, I'm gonna have you picture it. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.920 You are a jailer at the lock up in Kingston, 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:21.200 New Brunswick. You're sitting in your quiet office at the jail, 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.960 reading the paper and softly whistling to yourself. You started 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:26.879 a couple of weeks ago, and it's not a bad gig. 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.960 You've heard lots of stories though about Henry Moore Smith. 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.120 He's a thief, but more importantly he's an escape artist. 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.480 He really got sheriff bates good last time, and the 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.440 sheriff didn't take kindly to that. But you've also noticed 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.440 that the sheriff talks about Smith in weirdly reverential tones. 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.440 He's kind of in awe of him and is for 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.200 sure fascinated by him, and is desperate to know what 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.319 makes this guy tick. Smith is back now, and you've 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.120 been told to keep a tight eye on him. Yesterday, 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.359 the blacksmith came and locked it up like you've never 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:59.320 seen before. Chains, shackles, cups. He looks afright, and you 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.160 can what it would feel like to be bound like that. 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.239 Last night they had to call the locksmith back to 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.640 shorten the chains after he tried to wrap the ones 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.560 he had around his neck. Suddenly you hear a commotion. 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:15.000 It's Smith, for sure, and he's shouting chains rattle. Smith 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.960 calls out Bible verses in between screeches and moans. He's 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.399 off his rocker, you think to yourself as you run 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.000 to the cell. He's in the cell, bashing his hand 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.080 against the walls, slamming the chain into the bricks. With 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.799 a clink, the chain snaps. Smith stops and you stare 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.800 at each other in silence. The broken link clatters to 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.680 the ground. You tell Smith to stay right there while 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.480 you shout down the hall for someone to get the 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.800 blacksmith again. You're thankful for the four other chains that 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.200 hold Smith there against his will, although no one would 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.400 get hurt if he escaped again, just Sheriff Bates' pride 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.880 in your career. You walk into the cell and you 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.800 sit on the floor beside Smith. His hands and ankles 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.480 are bloody. He has a crazed look in his eye. 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.720 You've seen that before. Once you were in the woods 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:02.600 with your father and you came upon a wolf with 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.480 its leg caught in a trap. The wolf snarled at you, 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.480 but its eyes showed deep terror. You asked your dad 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:10.040 if he was going to shoot the wolf put it 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.200 out of his misery. He assessed the beautiful beast's leg 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.439 from afar and determine it was something that could heal 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.800 if it were free. He got a big stick and 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.960 approached the wolf. The wolf lashed out and snarled some more, 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.439 but its eyes just showed desperation. Your father was able 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:26.640 to ledge the stick into the trap and free the wolf. 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.440 It sprinted away from you without a second glance. No 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.680 limp or yelp. As pained as it was, it wasn't 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:35.240 interested in hurting you. It just wanted to be free, 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:37.200 even if it meant to die in the woods on 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.200 its own terms. That's what you see as you look 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.840 into Henry Smith's eyes. He is raving, he is shouting, 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.680 he is quoting the Bible and flailing against his shackles, 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.920 but his eyes showed terror. He just wants to be free. 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:51.880 You go to the corner of the cell and you 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.479 get a wet rag from a bucket. You softly wipe 0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:57.280 the blood from his arms, from his neck. He rises 0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:59.600 against you, but you can see in his eyes that 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.640 he you mean him no harm, and you don't fear him. 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.879 You have nothing but compassion for him. Society and circumstance 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.000 have driven him to this state, just like the wolf. 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.480 So Smith's horse theft trial kicked off May eighteen fifty. 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.840 That was beautiful. I mean, I gotta say honestly, Normally 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.400 they're pretty darn funny, but that one was beautiful. I 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:23.840 loved my father. 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:24.759 The wo. 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:29.200 Oh I was deep, and the snow I was there, Yes, 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.600 I was there, And then I had compassion for my 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:32.560 fellow human. 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.440 I mean, it's just amazing, went threw a lot together. 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:36.640 I'm a better person. 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:39.400 That was a journey. 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:46.239 He's humane. So Smith's horse trial, May eighteen fifteen. He 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.600 gets brought into the prisoner's dock for trial, and he 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.520 kept up this wild behavior. He like ripped his shirt 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:53.840 and snap his fingers. 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.160 I've waited on people like that before. I know that vibe. 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.560 Yeah so and he like at one. 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.719 Point he kicked at the wooden railing until they had 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.360 to bring leg irons and buying him up again, just 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.960 flailing around. The prosecutor was Attorney General Wetmore, the guy 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:15.240 whose dinner party guests the coat. I will not recuse 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.279 your honor. I have a personal interest in this. I 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.680 don't think they had an insanity defense. 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.000 Then that's what I was just about, asking when that comes. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:25.799 I don't know, and I was too lazy to look 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:26.040 it up. 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.399 I don't really know if they even would acknowledge it's 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:29.920 the same thing we recognize it as. 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.640 Then I looked it up, and I wondered to myself 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:33.400 today did they have it? And I thought, should you 0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:35.200 look it up? And I thought, yeah I should? Am 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:36.040 I going to know? 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:37.160 You know what? 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:38.040 Who knows? Who cares? 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:39.160 If you want to find it out. 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:47.279 There's Google exactly exactly. Cheese. So but the lawyer he's like, 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.800 I've got it. He points out that when Smith was arrested, 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:55.960 he wasn't on the horse. He was just so there's 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.600 no way to prove possession. He's just near it. It 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:00.200 seems like a sound, argued. 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.320 Man, He's gotten the law worked out exactly. 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.480 H So it went to the jury and they discussed 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.800 it for two hours, and then they came back guilty 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:16.160 and him to be hanged. Damn right. So Attorney General 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.000 Wetmore he asked for a report on Smith's state of 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.640 mind and behavior before he could set a date for 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:22.360 the execution. 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:24.560 Not the century to be stealing horses, No. 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:28.480 And so Bates he goes to Smith's cell to try 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.680 to talk to him about the whole situation. But apparently 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.160 Bates said quote he paid no attention, patted his hands, 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:36.919 saying and acted the fool as usual. 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:38.319 Bits is real hard. 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:39.160 He wouldn't talk. 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:44.440 All the time, he plays. 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.600 And he's just slapping himself. In what were to be 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.280 his final days, he made a bunch of puppets using 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:58.000 fabric from his clothes, sock puppets, straw from his bedding, 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.319 and then he called them his family man. He would 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.560 put on puppet shows for the staff or like any 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:04.680 visitors that would come in. 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.760 Did he marry one of them because he's very. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:12.960 And then he was, oh, my wife. So by August 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.960 things are looking bleak that they're looking and then they 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:20.120 weren't because his lawyer had been working around the clock 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:24.200 to save him and it worked. He was pardoned. He 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:29.680 was crazy, but was like, yeah, they were like, look 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:33.200 at this behavior. He does not know anything about what's going. 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.480 On, so they would rather feed him than put him 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:36.000 in the rope. 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:37.600 Yeah, I suppose. 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.960 I just don't understand it. That type of morality sometimes, 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.640 like what you're gonna punish him this way? Like keeping 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:43.040 him alive. 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.640 They took pity on him and compassion. Bates goes to 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.960 Smith in the cell and is like, homie've been pardoned. 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:55.320 Smith doesn't understand or care. He's just like what he 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:59.080 said something about wanting potatoes for dinner. Okay, So one 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.920 condition not breaking and they're not going to actually have 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.520 to pay for his upkeep because one condition of the 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.960 release was that he had to get the h double 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:12.239 hockey sticks out of wondering about someone else's. 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.200 Probably be crazy down in Newfoundland. 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:16.840 Yeah, to go to the United States. They got a 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:21.040 lot of you guys down there, So baits Bates was 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:26.440 sad to see him. Bates is like, we've spent a 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.600 year together. Of course I feel bad, really like Bates 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.400 is like trying so hard to connect with him. He can't. 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.040 So he buys Smith a whole brand new outfit, like 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:39.719 a first day of school outfit, and buys him a 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.800 ticket on a ship headed for Nova Scotia. Wow, and 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:47.040 like he mubbles and shuffles. Smith mumbles and shuffles, and 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.200 he looks all dazed as he gets on the boat. 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.239 And like Bates stands there and watches the boat sail 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:55.719 away with his little wounded wolf on board, and I'm 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.440 sure he is like a hanky. So the boat docks 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:03.680 in Novas Goosha, and Smith made like Kaiser sosay and 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.400 lost the limp on his way off the boat walked 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:07.839 off a fully seen man. 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.320 Oh yeah, I was Kaiser. 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:16.960 When straighten up, it straightens out at Nova Scotia, the 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.839 act worked. He weaseled his way to Yeah. A few 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.360 years went by. He really is willing to commit a long, 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.200 long game every time. 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:26.960 Incredible. 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.759 He a few years later, he's going by the name 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.360 William Newman. He gets arrested in new Haven, Connecticut for 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:38.200 stealing jewelry silver. Oh yeah, he's like stealing from innkeepers 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.560 at this point. And then he worked the oh my 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:44.400 side is killing me con there for a bit, but 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.120 like striking out with that gambit. He then decided to 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:50.560 saw his way through the cell door. He gets recaptured. 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.880 He was convicted of burglary at trial and he got 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.920 three years of hard labor and investigators discovered his previous 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:02.240 identity and contacted Sheriff Bates and Bates rushed. 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:04.040 Yeah. 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.520 Yeah, he goes down there. Bates goes to his cell 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.160 and Smith acts like he's never seen Bates before in 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.239 his life. Wow, He's like, who are you? 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:14.400 Would you love to see like Matt Damon and Philip 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:18.000 Seymour Hoffman play that scene, right? I know we can't 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.440 get that, but wouldn't that be amazing? 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:20.520 Oh god? 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:20.960 Yeah. 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.480 So Bates he's baffled, but he's like a little crushed 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.080 and so after doing. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:29.680 He's devastating. 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.160 Is so he you know, Smith does his time and 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.120 he gets sort of lost in the shuffle. He's hard 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.560 to track in this era, but that didn't stop Bates. 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.279 He spent the rest of his days trying to track 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:44.480 Smith down. He said that he could connect Smith to 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:50.239 thefts in Boston, New York, Connecticut, Ontario, Canada. Bates heard 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.600 about a preacher named Henry Hopkins in the South who 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.239 got arrested in eighteen twenty seven and was sentenced to 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.360 seven years in prison. He was sure that that was Smith, 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:01.919 but he couldn't make it down there, and he wasn't 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.920 able to physically confirm it. But basically, any time there 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.320 was a report of a clever thief, Bates was like, 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.200 it's Smith. It's my boy, It's there. He goes, there's 0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:14.399 that beautiful boy. I want to buy him another suit, 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:22.520 and Smith sous his eye. Smith so captivating him that 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:26.560 Bates joined the Ridiculous Crime Book Club, and he really 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.719 a corker of all time. Called The Mysterious Stranger, or 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.240 Memoirs of the Noted Henry Moore. 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.520 Smith Guess what You're Getting for Your Birthday? 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.920 It was published in Connecticut, then it gets republished in England. 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.600 The Halifax newspaper, The Acadian Recorder. 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.200 A great Acadian paper. 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.879 Serialized it in eighteen seventeen, and they sold the book 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.520 for a shilling a copy. And The Mysterious Stranger had 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:52.640 seven printings. 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:53.359 I bet it did. 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.360 The last one was in It appeared in nineteen twelve. 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.279 That was one hundred years after Smith. 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:00.439 Got to un of money. 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.600 Christ's Cloud Story certified hit. 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:03.040 Yeah. 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.240 The combined sales at that time topped forty thousand copies. 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:08.880 Oh yeah, I can make this into hit today. 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:10.320 That's a lot even today. 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.120 Yeah, you can make this into a movie and have 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:13.080 it hit immediately. 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.680 A new edition of it was published in nineteen seventy nine. 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:17.560 Wow. 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.600 So. At the end of The Mysterious Stranger, Bates wrote, quote, 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.920 in all the adventures, we are not called upon to 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.400 witness any acts of violence and blood. And it is 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.840 perhaps owing to the absence of this repulsive trait, that 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.960 we do not behold him in a more relentless light. 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.080 So basically, he didn't hurt nobody. 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:39.319 Yeah, totally your rule. 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:45.120 Yeah, so, and that's what makes him a ridiculous criminal, perfect, ridiculous, totally. 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.279 The only person you hurt was Baits, really, my man, Baits. Yeah, 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:50.640 it hurt his heart, Yes, he just bruised it. 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.120 Im Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway. 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.480 Oh, man, I I can't. I gotta admit I think 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.280 we should dip our toes more into the Canadian waters 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.759 because some of the crimes up there are just so 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:05.080 filled with a bizarre passion. You know, it's like it's 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:06.239 not like that. I don't I'm not trying to like 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:08.799 fall into like the Oh it's the Great White North 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.200 and they're cold and lonely. But I think they're cold 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.760 and lonely up there in the Great White North, Elizabeth, 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:18.520 because we always hear that these stories of like couples 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:22.040 going across the country, people being committed to like even 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.600 in Canada is always he's very big and grand and 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.399 long lasting, and like this guy commits to the bit. 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.960 There's something about it that has like a Texas quality 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.520 of bigger than life, but but but the old but humble. 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.320 You know, it's like a humble and kind version of 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:40.680 the we're bigger than life but Canada. So anyway, that's mine. 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.319 What's yours, Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking, 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:45.040 of course every time you know why I got your 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:45.520 back for. 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.160 Once you asked me. I I'm just into the long 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:50.640 game of it all. Like if you're gonna do it, 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.279 commit like wow, And that's that's putting a lot of 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:56.960 trust in your your your long game. 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:58.560 Totally and that all things would go out and work 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.759 out your benefit. Also, he didn't take the moment to, 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.040 like when the boat's pulling away, to break down and 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.160 kind of wave, because then someone could chase the boat down. 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.960 He waited until the boat got to the next nation. 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:12.640 Then he's like, Okay, I think I'm free. 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:16.640 I know me too, all right, that's what I have. 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.560 Oh oh you know what we do need I talk about? 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.960 Oh yeah, when you queue that up? 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:31.799 Oh god, I love ge. 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.000 Heyes, Aaron and Elizabeth. I wanted to update you on 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.839 something totally ridiculous going on on the internet right now. 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:47.399 If you need any industrial glraade glycine, uh dong Hua 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:51.040 gene long is your man. 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