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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of Iheartradiozaren Burnette.

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Speaker 2: Yo, Lizabeth Dutton, what's up, Claude?

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Speaker 3: Not much. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Doing pretty well, doing pretty well? Thanks for asking? How

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great as always. I'm just great.

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Speaker 2: So happy to hear that.

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Speaker 3: Listen. You know it's ridiculous. Yes, I do, give it

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Elizabeth, all right, I'm not I want to preface this.

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Speaker 2: I'm not making fun of the front part. I'm making

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Speaker 2: front of the back part. Okay. Last year, there's this

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Speaker 2: news story about this guy, Christian Montenegro, okay, and he

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Speaker 2: married a rag doll. Like, that's not I'm not casting

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Speaker 2: aspersions on this person. No, no, like his wife, Natalia

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Speaker 2: is a rag doll. And he broke up with his

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Speaker 2: ex girlfriend, right, and so then he started dating Natalia

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Speaker 2: the rag doll. And then he decided, well, I'm happy

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Speaker 2: with her. We can make a good life of this.

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Speaker 2: So then he got married to the rag doll. And

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Speaker 2: people are like this, this is not right. People are like, no, no,

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Speaker 2: he's it's fine. So they're debating, right anyway, This is

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Speaker 2: the part that it gets me because I don't whatever

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Speaker 2: you've been marry what bridge, marry a building out? Okay, right,

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Speaker 2: there was a video last year of him going to

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Speaker 2: the doctors in which he's called paramedics because he was

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Speaker 2: worried that his rag doll had fallen. Ill keep in

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Speaker 2: mind they have three rag doll children, so he was

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Speaker 2: worried he was going to be a single rag doll

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Speaker 2: father to their rag doll kids.

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Speaker 3: Where where is this?

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Speaker 2: And it goes long enough that I do not think

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Speaker 2: it's a prank. I have to believe that this is

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Speaker 2: a compulsion. It is into South America. Why are you

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Speaker 2: being like, what does it matter?

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Speaker 3: Where he and slap them.

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Speaker 2: It takes place in the land of magical realism, Colombia.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Colombia, Columbia. So there you go, ridiculous, right, and

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Speaker 3: just the last part, guess what three rags ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Three rag doll kids, a rag doll wife. And when

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Speaker 2: he gets sick he goes to a people a people hospital, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: and he needs to go to a rag doll hospital.

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Speaker 3: I'm all progressive. Where is.

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Speaker 2: It not fine taking a rag doll to a human hospital?

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Speaker 2: It's like taking me to a vent that we come on,

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Speaker 2: do you want to save your wife or.

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Speaker 3: Not the event, because we got the cops on her too.

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Speaker 2: That's why, honestly that I recommend it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be like, you know, if he

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Speaker 3: wants to leave a red No.

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Speaker 2: Three or something together, I think we can afford another conversation.

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Speaker 2: He sewed another kid.

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Speaker 3: You don't get to do that kind of like, come on, now,

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Speaker 3: come on now, that is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Do you

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Speaker 3: know what else is ridiculous? No, but I'm here for it,

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Speaker 3: escaping and then escaping and then escaping some more like

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Speaker 3: the spirit This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd

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Speaker 3: and outrageous capers. Heycin Cuns, it's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: No, you heard that.

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Speaker 3: You've talked about escape artists.

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Speaker 2: Before once or twice. Yes, I'm a fan those.

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Speaker 3: Who break out of lock up and make it an

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Speaker 3: absolute art.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a statement multiple attempts.

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Speaker 3: A commentary on man's isolation amid the masses and desperate

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Speaker 3: need for liberation. You know something high falutine like that?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 3: Ta? I like that you focused on more recent ridiculous escapermen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the ridiculousness of the artist.

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Speaker 3: A postmodern analysis completely. I want to take us back.

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Speaker 3: You heard I want to take his way back.

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Speaker 2: Please lay back.

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Speaker 3: I got two ogs for you to Oh wow, oh jeez.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's start in the seventeen hundred. This is

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Speaker 3: like you starting everything going back to Dracula. Dracula.

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Speaker 2: I'm always Yeah, when Memed the second could have killed Dracula,

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Speaker 2: Draca could have killed the second, go back to and

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Speaker 2: then he failed. Yeah, when Gladly and Paler failed to

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Speaker 2: kill Memo the second you get America, that's when.

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Speaker 3: You're like, what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You're like, okay,

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Speaker 3: well it starts with me.

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Speaker 2: You know, Meed the second in the Fall of Constantinople

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Speaker 3: Now every time, so I'm taking to the seventeen hundreds,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to mangle any French or Italian pronunciations.

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Speaker 2: Oh man.

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Speaker 3: Not because I've worked hard on my diction and my focus.

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Speaker 3: It's because there aren't any nice raw Okay. So the

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Speaker 3: first dude is a fellow named Jack Shepherd. I can

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Speaker 3: say that nice you got that Jack Shepherd. He is,

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Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna screw hard. He's known as the eighteenth

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Speaker 3: century's most notorious robber and thief. That's saying a lot.

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Speaker 3: Is it purely in his home country of England, Likely

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Speaker 3: because he wasn't a global.

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Speaker 2: Phenom, kind of a highwayman.

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Speaker 3: Not really, you'll see. He was also referred to as

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Speaker 3: the most glamorous rogue in London.

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Speaker 2: One of those kind of guy, yes, jigglob with deep pockets,

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Speaker 2: he drops things in.

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Speaker 3: He was born. He was born on March fourth. Did

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Speaker 3: you ever when when I was in high school, we

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Speaker 3: used to say to the nuns, like, you'd raise your

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Speaker 3: hand and be like, what's today's date, and they'd say

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Speaker 3: March fourth, and we'd all get up and walk forward.

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Speaker 2: You're making that up. You did not really do that?

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Speaker 2: Did you guys actually get up out of your seats?

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Speaker 2: You really did? Multiple kids?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just one time one March wow. And then we

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Speaker 3: looked at each other and we're like, oh god, I.

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Speaker 2: Love that for you know, do you actually have that?

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Speaker 2: That's so precious and dear he was.

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Speaker 3: But this was March forth.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's coming back, mourning coming back.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like better than when May the fourth, when

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Speaker 3: people do the whole star. No, no, no, March fourth

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Speaker 3: so his family was terribly poor.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: They lived in Spittlefields in London, in the East End.

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Speaker 2: Spitfield.

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Speaker 3: Well, No, the location gets its name from the fact

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Speaker 3: that many of the original inhabitants had both poorly formed

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Speaker 3: dentician and severe allergies.

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Speaker 2: I don't leading them.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it led them to like produce abnormally large

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Speaker 3: quantities of saliva, and those were expelled as they yelled

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Speaker 3: at outsiders who crossed the area's large open meadow. Thus

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Speaker 2: They gaps in their teeth.

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Speaker 3: And they yelled at And do you think this is funny?

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is funny.

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Speaker 3: Because it's not true. The land actually belonged to Saint

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Speaker 3: Mary's Spittle, a hospital built in eleven ninety seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so spittle is a corruption of the word hospital. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but I think my explanation is way better.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to so much better. So they dropped the

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Speaker 2: hoe and made spittle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, drop the hoe made so. An earlier name for

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Speaker 3: the area was Lallsworth. Lol, like laugh out loud, You

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Speaker 3: did not you made that's true. That's true. So in

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Speaker 3: Jack Shepherd's time, it was an area notorious for highwaymen,

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Speaker 3: as you said, bad men and prostitutes and so Jack

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Speaker 3: he stayed away from all that. When he was fifteen

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Speaker 3: he got an apprenticeship with a carpenter. Five years later,

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Speaker 3: he's twenty years old. Because I can do math and

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Speaker 3: I also had to be hooked on phonics. He was

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Speaker 3: an accomplished craftsman, of course, twenty years old. He was

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Speaker 2: They don't have TV. No, he was all the time

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Speaker 3: He was too poor for it. Everyone else had it.

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Speaker 2: I was on your candle light. You can be working kid.

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Speaker 3: He was a litland He was five four spine bone slight,

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Speaker 3: but he had like this dazzling smile. He didn't have

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Speaker 3: the Spittlefields dentician. He had a dazzling smile and a

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Speaker 3: magnetic personality, okay, And so that made him really popular

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Speaker 3: in the neighbor especially in the pubs. And it was

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Speaker 3: in those taverns that he fell in with the wrong crowd,

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Speaker 3: the shady underbelly of Spittlefield. And so most notably was

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Speaker 3: a prostitute named Elizabeth Lyon aka Edgeworth Best Edgeworth, Edgeworth,

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Speaker 3: Best District Best Best was a big, beautiful mama whole

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Speaker 3: lot of rosa very popular with the fellas, and Jack

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Speaker 3: was sprung hubba hubba. And so the more time and

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Speaker 3: money he spent with best, the deeper into that dark

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Speaker 3: side of things he got. Lots of drinking, lots of carousing.

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Speaker 3: This wasn't good for woodworkings.

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Speaker 2: Are no will be selling his tools?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, as a one time man of the trades,

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Speaker 3: you know that you have to be able to focus

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you have to tell your tools you.

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Speaker 3: Can't send things just you can't like send things to

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Speaker 3: voicemail and ignore the inbox. So his income took a

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Speaker 3: dip and he wasn't getting the work he once was

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Speaker 3: He needed cash. He started stealing. In the spring of

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Speaker 3: seventeen twenty three, he got busted for the first time shoplifting.

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Speaker 2: Taking other people's tools.

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Speaker 3: Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover, he yelled, Did

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Speaker 3: he really that's no, that's a smith's lyric.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I thought that they pulled it from him like

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Speaker 2: it's an old British story. I just have never.

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Speaker 3: Heard he had. He was Spinhall over.

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Speaker 2: The I'm not going to believe anything.

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Speaker 3: So soon enough, he starts hanging out with a very

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Speaker 3: bad ombre named Joseph Blake aka Blueskin.

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Speaker 2: William Blake's little brother. Blueskin. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: No, one's really sure how he got that name.

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Speaker 2: Colloidal silver, that's how he got that name.

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Speaker 3: He had like a really swarthy complexion. He was also blue,

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Speaker 3: super hairy, Okay, especially in the facial region, So maybe

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Speaker 3: that was it. This is what they're speculating. Okay, some

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Speaker 3: thought maybe had a port wine birthmark.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe he's more sense, lot more sense.

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Speaker 3: He could have been part smurf.

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Speaker 2: That's I'm going with that one. Smurf from the waist down. Okay,

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Speaker 2: be like a mermaid or something. Yeah, it's like fish

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Speaker 2: for the waist down. He's smurf from the waist down.

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Speaker 3: Blueskin something. He doesn't wear pants a lot because everyone

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, but I thought his feet he can't hire that,

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Speaker 2: yeah blue foot. Well his legs, they see his ankles,

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Speaker 2: they go out, they go all the way up.

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Speaker 3: Any blueskin, Blueskin, he shows Jack Shepherd the Ropes takes

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Speaker 3: him from an amateur shoplifter to a professional thief. He's

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Speaker 3: good at it, but he's also not good at it.

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Speaker 2: He's an interesting line there, professional thief amateur SHOPLIFTERA when

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Speaker 2: someone else pays you.

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Speaker 3: Enough, did you get you get sponsorships?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. You're a factory rider exactly.

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Speaker 3: So he gets arrested and imprisoned five times between seventeen

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Speaker 3: twenty three and seventeen twenty four. Of those five arrests,

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Speaker 3: he got out four times. The poor folks in Spittlefields

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Speaker 3: loved this, of course they loved it.

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Speaker 2: They had no TV, they had no TV.

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Speaker 3: But the rich people in town did. So. Let's take

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Speaker 3: a look at his first escape. Seventeen twenty three. He

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Speaker 2: They had the roundhouse just for pickpockets.

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Speaker 2: Like all the cut purses go here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bess came to visit him, and that was a

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Speaker 2: No, just in some position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't out. I think she had like warrants.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I think I've heard of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Somehow Jack gets a hold of a file these things. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Wow, freedom, how are you going to do that?

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two feet. If they're standing on one shoulder

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Speaker 3: The other one five foot flour exactly. He's not. She's

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Speaker 2: She she threw them over and rope back over.

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Speaker 3: She threw him over the wall.

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Speaker 2: Like it like, rope back over exactly, she climbed up

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Speaker 3: They went in prisons. No more.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of filing too, and you were trying

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Speaker 3: Cute couple alerts? Oh my god, go to jail together.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, ship them forever.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen twenty four. A year later, Jack's twenty two. He

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Speaker 3: was still on his thieving bs. He gets caught. He

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Speaker 2: What did he steal?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. He stole the Declaration of Independence before

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Speaker 3: it was written. The cell for the Condemned at Newgate

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: No, So that's true. August thirtieth, seventeen twenty four, Jack

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Speaker 2: She brought the rope, and then she.

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Speaker 3: Brought another prostitute with her, a gal named mal Maggot,

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Speaker 3: And now I'm not of that world, but I would

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Speaker 2: Very specific type of business. Maybe she's like going for

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Speaker 3: Oh be sick. Okay, So Bess and Maul they waltzed

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine how. And so while the guard was

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Speaker 3: But he only tasted freedom for a couple months then

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Speaker 3: he gets locked up. His last escape was his most

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of footage of the escape available online.

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Speaker 2: You keep doing that, you know.

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Speaker 3: So the location was once again Newgate Prison. The jailers

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Speaker 2: What are they cuffing him with?

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Speaker 3: He just always rope, like loosely woven hemp rope. So

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Speaker 3: at some point he managed to get his thin wrists

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Speaker 2: So important. It's the little things. Yeah, broken window policies,

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Speaker 3: So he used the nail to pick the lock on

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Speaker 3: then he used the nail to pick the lock on

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Speaker 2: This is like the TV shows I watched, like The Musketeers,

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Speaker 2: Like this is so the medieval escape plane. Totally get

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Speaker 3: And you know, he's on the roof of the prison.

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Speaker 2: I love this for him.

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Speaker 3: He still had a shackle around his ankle, and oh

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Speaker 3: I forgot Then he's like, oh man, I forgot something.

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Speaker 2: He breaks back into the prison.

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Speaker 3: Where's the staff? Where's the staff? Anyway, he runs back

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Speaker 3: he was able to convince the cobbler to cut off

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Speaker 2: Know, any port similar tools.

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Speaker 3: So he swanned around for two weeks just partying it up.

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Speaker 3: And then the law caught up with him, and when

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Speaker 3: was hammered. What Yeah, he was wasted. So he didn't run,

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Speaker 3: he didn't resist, he's just all how dry.

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Of course, he gets arrested, he's convicted and once again

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Speaker 3: sentenced to death. I told you he was a folk hero, yes, already.

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Speaker 3: When it was time to take him to the gallows,

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Speaker 3: to the end, you know. Daniel Dafoe, author of Robinson Cruiser,

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Speaker 3: not personally but yes, big fan of Jack's. Earlier in

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Speaker 3: the year, Jack Shepherd had written an autobiography, What a

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Speaker 3: narrative of all the robbery's escapes, et cetera of John Shepherd.

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Speaker 3: That was his book, except Jack didn't write it. Daniel

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Speaker 3: Dafoe did. Yeah. They're pals, and it's called Ghost Road,

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Speaker 3: that Daniel Dafoe and his publisher came up with a

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Speaker 3: and then grabbed the body, and they wanted to revive him,

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Speaker 3: which they heard had worked a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back then, sometimes hangings you'd hear about this.

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Speaker 3: It's the old equival of like one hack. They don't

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Speaker 2: Well sometimes that's the next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my cousin knows a guy who knows a guy

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Speaker 3: who brought a handman back to life. That kind of

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Speaker 3: show nine one ps nine one one got even campier

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Speaker 3: but I don't watch TV anyway. Jack, he didn't make it,

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Speaker 3: and Daniel Dafoe is unsuccessful. This is like my one

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Speaker 3: percent where it's murdered by the state. Yeah, it's up

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Speaker 3: for debate anyway, Rip to that man. Plays were written

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Speaker 3: about Jack and performed after his death. In eighteen forty,

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Speaker 3: William Harrison Ainsworth wrote a novel called Jack Shephard and

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Speaker 3: it was crazy popular, and the authorities didn't care for that,

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Speaker 3: in London with Jack Sheppard in the title for forty

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Speaker 3: and fifty years after his dath.

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Speaker 2: Damn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take a break.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Wait before we take a break, Harry Styles, get

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Speaker 2: on this. You can get back from Timothy Shallame all

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Speaker 2: the ris he's stolen from you.

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Speaker 3: This is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now get it, and also a David Bowie soundtrack.

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Speaker 3: It's perfect. When we come back. I'm going to tell

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Speaker 3: you about a guy who was often compared to old Jack. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: escaper boys, Yes.

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Speaker 2: I'm digging this, dude, That Jack Shepherd was dope. What

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Speaker 2: else you got?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're having a lot of fun, yes we are.

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Speaker 3: And I've already killed a.

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Speaker 2: Man off you table the state, no less so this news.

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Speaker 3: Henry Moore Smith is his name, Henry Morris Smith, m

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Speaker 3: O r E. Like just how much Smith Morse? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Henry Moore Smith. He was the North American Jack Shepherd,

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Speaker 3: all goes down about like one hundred years after Jack

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Speaker 3: Shepherds eighteen thirties, twenties eighteen, early eighteen teens. Smith is

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Speaker 3: a con man, horse thief, burglar, and most importantly an

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Speaker 3: escape artist. He had a bunch of aliases. Frederick, Henry Moore,

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Speaker 3: Henry J. Moon, William Newman, you know whatever those.

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Speaker 2: Are good forgettable but sounding really good names exactly.

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Speaker 3: So eighteen twelve, he arrives in Halifax.

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Speaker 2: Nova Scotia, Canadian.

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Speaker 3: He was vague about where he'd come from or like

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Speaker 3: prior to this time. He was well dressed and polite

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Speaker 3: in his mid twenties. He said he was a tailor,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so one local, pretty good story, because there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a local said quote. He was perfectly inoffensive, gentle

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Speaker 3: and obliging, used no intoxicating liquors, refrained from idle conversation

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Speaker 2: That's weird, correct me if I'm wrong, But they you

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know you never said a bad word in

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Speaker 2: No, I mean is that where we were reading it?

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Speaker 3: You no intoxicating liquors, doesn't smoke weed. Yeah, never like

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Speaker 3: the Zaren Burnett story.

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Speaker 2: I never bad language, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Smith though. He said he went to Cambridge and so

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Speaker 3: just like you. Of course, fancy is what I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to He also said he said he could speak five languages.

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Speaker 3: It's basically the Zaren Burnette. He said he had a

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Speaker 3: was like, is this Zaren or is this this Smith.

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Speaker 3: That's because he carried a Bible with him all the

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00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 3: time and he could recite whole chapters of scripture.

438
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you want to hear Ruth. I'll tell

439
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 2: you right now, lays Ruth the whole thing. And they

440
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: have some kings to next maybe judges, what do you

441
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: got how much time.

442
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: You They would ask this guy by his spiritual pass like,

443
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,239
Speaker 3: tell us about your spiritual that's the question, right, I'm

444
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 3: going to start asking Pew And he said he ran

445
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 3: a Methodist prayer meeting back in England just like you.

446
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: Here's one that actually I could see you doing. One

447
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: time someone asked him where he was from, and he

448
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: just laughed and pointed at the full moon.

449
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: That's very I'm gonna in the act.

450
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 3: And so you know, all these people like they're kind

451
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: of captivated by him. One person was John Bond, not

452
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: John Bond, Jovie John Bond, John Bond exactly, uh double

453
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 3: o six. He thought that Smith was the Beasknees, so

454
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 3: he hired him to work on his farm near Windsor,

455
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: just northwest of Halifax, and Smith he fit right in

456
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: with the family. He joined them for meals and prayers.

457
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: He was like, hold on, I need to pray before

458
00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: I eat this rule. So he also romance the daughter.

459
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: There are a lot of Elizabeths going on here today.

460
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: God's a big fan of and so ministers.

461
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: As was the custom of the day, Smith married Elizabeth

462
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 3: within the year.

463
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: There you go, hey, quick, dude. It happened.

464
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: The couple moved out and Smith started his own tailor shop.

465
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 3: He's like, you know what, I'm just going to go

466
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: out on my own here. Things were blissful, and until

467
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: they weren't. In Halifax at the big fancy mansions, things

468
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: started going missing. Someone was slipping in during the night

469
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: and stealing silver, jewelry, anything else of values, virtues. And

470
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: it wasn't just palatial homes. Offices and stores got it,

471
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: and it wasn't just expected high ticket items. The Chief

472
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: Justice of the British Colony of Nova Scotia, Samson Salter Blowers.

473
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a name.

474
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: Samson Salter Blowers.

475
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: Or Salter Blowers yeah, he had.

476
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: Three law books taken from his chambers. To the judge,

477
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: He's like, I kind of need those, you guys. He

478
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: offered a reward for their return, and a few days later,

479
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: Henry Moore Smith shows up. He's like, I'm here to

480
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 3: take the reward.

481
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: He heard the book.

482
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: He's like, I bought these from a stranger, you know,

483
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: as you don't. I don't practice the law, but I'd

484
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: like these expensive law books please. You know, he's like

485
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: sitting minding his own business, sitting on a bench reading

486
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: the Bible, just like sunning himself. Dude comes up. You

487
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: look like you're into big books. You want to buy

488
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: some lawbooks. So the townsfolk weren't fools, so like where

489
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: Smith is living in Windsor, they start thinking, like, hold

490
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: on a second. He goes to Halifax a lot, and

491
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 3: he leaves early in the morning, and he doesn't come

492
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: back to like the next day he returned those books.

493
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: Why would he buy them when he comes back from.

494
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: Before?

495
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: And he always has stuff with him when he gets

496
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: back from Halifax, like random stuff and sometimes a lot

497
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: of cash. And then there was a break in the case.

498
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: Man got pinched for stealing a coat. But He swore

499
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: up and down that he'd bought the coat from Smith,

500
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 3: so the authorities issued an arrest warrant. They headed out

501
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: to pick Smith up in Windsor, but he was already

502
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: in the wind That was his first escape, with many

503
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: more to come. He disappeared for almost two years. There

504
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: you go, yeah, and so what of Elizabeth, Right, She's

505
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: just probably go back to the farm. I feel for

506
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: the Elizabeths of the world.

507
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: Yes, you do.

508
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 3: So. Two years later, eighteen fourteen, he popped back up

509
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 3: in Saint John, New Brunswick, and he was making friends.

510
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: So he buddied up with an officer of a local regiment,

511
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: Colonel Daniel and All. Danny wanted a horse, but not

512
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: just Danny horse. He wanted a black horse that would

513
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: match the team that pulled his carriage. It was all

514
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: about the esthetics of it, you know, you know, you

515
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: might as well be.

516
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: Get the horse you can get.

517
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: So his new pal Smith is like, look at me,

518
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm coming to the rescue. I know exactly where you

519
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: can get one. That's exactly what you want. Daniel gives

520
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: him the money, go buy the horse for me, like

521
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: you know, orders him around. That's your new friend. You

522
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: make him go to your military. And so Smith gets

523
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: the money and you can guess what happened.

524
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: He took off never see him again.

525
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: He took the money and ran no horse, no horse.

526
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 3: So he still wanted a horse for himself though. Smith

527
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: got it in my head when someone's like, you know,

528
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: they suggest something, you know.

529
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: Do you want a burrito? And you're like, I didn't,

530
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: but now I do.

531
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: Now I think I could go from now.

532
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: I got the money for a burrito exactly.

533
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: So he wants a horse. But at the same time,

534
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: he didn't want to use all this cash that he had,

535
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: so he stole one that belonged to Will's Frederick Knox,

536
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 3: a magistrate, and he likes sticking it to the legal establishment.

537
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why not go right to the man who's

538
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: gonna bust you.

539
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: Will's Frederick kna the magistrate. He was the son of

540
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: a British Undersecretary of State, and he really loved his

541
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: horse and he wanted it back. So he gets word

542
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: of this and like a description of Smith, and he

543
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 3: chased after Smith for four days trying to catch him

544
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 3: and get the horseback. Like he wanted justice. He cold justice.

545
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he didn't hire like some Scottish clan to

546
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: hunt him down or something.

547
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: He found Smith four days later, three hundred miles away

548
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: and picked two Nova Scotia.

549
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: And I will take old Nova SCOSTI. Oh not pick two? Yeah,

550
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: I thought I just take any two Nova Scosts you

551
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: were offering. Sorry, go on.

552
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: So they he gets arrested. He tries to escape a

553
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: handful of times from this, but he's eventually brought back

554
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: to New Brunswick for trial. So while he's locked up,

555
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: Smith meets a guy who will change his life. And

556
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: the man was named Walter Bates, and he was the

557
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: county sheriff. They actually wind up changing each other's lives.

558
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: Bates became obsessed with Smith. Wait what the sheriff. The

559
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: sheriff fascinated.

560
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: He's not behind bars, He's not a dirty sheriff. He's

561
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: running this person.

562
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: Running the prison. He's like a straight ahead. He later

563
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: wrote about Smith quote as a character singular and unprecedented.

564
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: He was just fascinated by him.

565
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: Really yeah.

566
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: So as the trial approached Smith, he keeps moaning about

567
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: a pain in his side. Real bad, he said, like

568
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: real bad, it hurts.

569
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: I got big bad booboo.

570
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: Bates is like, how did that happen? That's how he talked. Yeah,

571
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: We've heard tapes, I've seen video. He's like, how did

572
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: that happen? And Smith told him that when Knox caught him,

573
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: he hit Smith in the side with the butt of

574
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: his pistol and that whether he broke a rib or

575
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: damaged an Oregon, who knows, but he's just in complete agony.

576
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: Baits is like, oh my god, that's terrible.

577
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: You got busted guts man.

578
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he gets worse and worse, and they Bates

579
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 3: brings in a bunch of different doctors to look at him,

580
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: but they couldn't seem to make it any better. And

581
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: when it got to the point where he could like

582
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: hardly lift his head, he asked for someone to come

583
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: and take down his will as he was going to

584
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: dictate it to so Bates he wrote to call on

585
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: Smith's lawyer. He said, quote, I fear we shall be

586
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: disappointed in our expectations of the trial of the prisoner

587
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: more Smith at the approaching court. I presume from his

588
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: appearance he will be removed by death before that time.

589
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Death is a coming on a coling.

590
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not going to make it to trial, and

591
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: that afternoon Smith screams out in pain and he asks

592
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: the guard to heat up a brick and bring it

593
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: to warm his feet.

594
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Okay, brick, you know they put it in like a blanket, and.

595
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: Like the tender hearted guard, he's like, oh my god.

596
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: Of course he ran to get him the brick, and

597
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: then he accidentally left the cell door open, and like

598
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: the guy can barely move. You're not thinking, you know,

599
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: he's just his eyes are rolled back and he's on

600
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: his steathbed. The guard comes back with the brick and

601
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: Smith is gone. He played the long game. Yeah, that

602
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: was a long so Ba and the brick toning guard.

603
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: They wound up facing charges of negligence for allowing the

604
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: prisoner to escape, and New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Wetmore,

605
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: he put up a reward for Smith's capture.

606
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: I want more.

607
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was laying low and hiding out there.

608
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: Where is?

609
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: He started burgling on the regular. He lifted a silver watch, cash,

610
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: like a bunch of other stuff from a house near

611
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: the jail.

612
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: Oh, go off again.

613
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: He's like, I know where I need to go. I'm

614
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: going west to Maine. Oh right, So He's like he

615
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: stopped for food at a tavern, and while he was there,

616
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: he stole a bunch of silver teaspoons. I just can't

617
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: control himself. He stayed at an inn near Fredericton, the

618
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: colony's capital, Oh, of course, and stole a bunch of

619
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: expensive clothes out of someone else's luggage. Like he went

620
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: into their roomins zink my hands.

621
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: Everything stickies to him, what kind of things?

622
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: Like the fellow travelers, they didn't suspect him of anything.

623
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: They he told him he was a businessman of one

624
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: of them. He's like, I'm a bounty hunter chasing an

625
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: army deserter. Here's the best. He's like, I'm a law

626
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: man on the trail of a notorious horse thief who

627
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: broke out of Kingston jail chasing myself. All of his

628
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: tall tails and small sifts caught up with him. He

629
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: was busted just as he was about to enter the

630
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: United States. They locked him up ankles and wrists, and

631
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: they sent him back to Kingston to stand trial. The

632
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: whole wrists and ankle thing wasn't enough, though, because like,

633
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: once again, he slips the shackles and he finds sweet,

634
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: sweet freedom. He'd only been in custody a few hours

635
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: when he took off into the night. So he heads

636
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: back to Fredericton and once he's there he steals choice.

637
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: He steals another horse. It's like the hot wiring of

638
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: the day. He steals him from stables at night. But

639
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: it'd be funnier if he horse jacked him. Like you know,

640
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: someone's riding up and they get a stop, he shoves

641
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: him off his saddle and rides off plates to so

642
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: remember New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Whatmore, the one who

643
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: announced the rewards leading to his capture. So on the

644
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: run this time Smith broke into his house and while

645
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: Wetmore was having a dinner party.

646
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: Yes early dinner gang energy completely.

647
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: And so he didn't crap on the drapes like that.

648
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: Instead he grabbed a bunch of the guests coats and

649
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: scurried away like that'll show them.

650
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: I love in Canada. Stealing coats is the mood.

651
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: Like this time the cops found him, they hauled them away.

652
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: Where was he hiding in a barn?

653
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I.

654
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: Think he was probably All his loot, including the coats,

655
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: was hidden under the hay in the law and so

656
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: you know. They like, He's like, fine, fine, you got me,

657
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: you got me. Let's take a break. We come back.

658
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about his next adventure. And

659
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: it's a doozy.

660
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Zarin, Hey, I got first time you did?

661
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: You came in first, good job. So Henry Moore Smith?

662
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: How much Smith?

663
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: More Smith?

664
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: Smith? They brought him back to Kingston, the one in Canada,

665
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: not in Jamaica. Ah, and they locked him up.

666
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one has not as good as music.

667
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jamaican So back with he's back with Sheriff Bates.

668
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: He loves him and Bates. Yeah, Bates is fooling around

669
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: this time though. They well, they gave Smith the full

670
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: body search and then they chained him to the floor

671
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: by the leg. So it wasn't long before a sound

672
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: was heard. Not Smith crying in agony over a created ailment.

673
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: It was the sound of filing metal, of course. So

674
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: the guards run to the cell and they find him

675
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: halfway out the window.

676
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: Just liked Baker working for him.

677
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: I get that for you. Baits baits Baker. So they

678
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: they find him hanging halfway out the window, They grab

679
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: his legs, they ink him back into the cell. They

680
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: demanded that he hand over the tools that he'd used,

681
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: and so he passes them this little saw that he

682
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: made out of a knife blade. He's like, oh shucks. Yeah,

683
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: and I don't know how he got that one in there,

684
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: but he did.

685
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: Don't want to know.

686
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to know. Like maybe he started sporting

687
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: a huge pompadour.

688
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably was probably.

689
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: So the guards they got a new chain and they

690
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: locked him up again, and then they heard a noise,

691
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: the same metal filing noise. Now you and I have

692
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: learned that modern day bank employees would probably assume it

693
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: was rats or a short in the candle scorners. They'd

694
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: shrug it off and then they get cleaned out.

695
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: That can't be filed.

696
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: We took the file, so luckily these guards were on it.

697
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: So they dashed back to the cell and they find

698
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: Smith sitting there kind of like a kid who is

699
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: just doing something and then ran back to the bed

700
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: to sit on it like a good god seeing child.

701
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: He's absolutely nothing, absolutely just sitting there staring back at

702
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: you totally.

703
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: So the guards tell him stripped down.

704
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: Oh and so he's like, what is this?

705
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: Three doors? So he obeyed, and the guards discovered a

706
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: ten inch saw blade tied to his thigh with a string. Wow,

707
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: that's comfortable.

708
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah sounds wow.

709
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Sheriff Bates outraged. He's just livid.

710
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: I thought I could trust Yeah, he's always been through.

711
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not about to be embarrassed again. So

712
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: he calls a blacksmith and he orders the guy to

713
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: craft an iron collar oh for Smith, and leg irons

714
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: and handcuffs, and then he wants each of those chained

715
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: to the floor. The whole get up wound up weighing

716
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: forty six hounds. Wow. Can you imagine that?

717
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: I know who hired the kinkster to run the prison?

718
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 3: Like ca can you picture it? Zarn?

719
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I can.

720
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: Close your eyes. Oh, I'm gonna have you picture it.

721
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: You are a jailer at the lock up in Kingston,

722
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: New Brunswick. You're sitting in your quiet office at the jail,

723
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: reading the paper and softly whistling to yourself. You started

724
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, and it's not a bad gig.

725
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: You've heard lots of stories though about Henry Moore Smith.

726
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: He's a thief, but more importantly he's an escape artist.

727
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: He really got sheriff bates good last time, and the

728
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: sheriff didn't take kindly to that. But you've also noticed

729
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: that the sheriff talks about Smith in weirdly reverential tones.

730
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: He's kind of in awe of him and is for

731
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: sure fascinated by him, and is desperate to know what

732
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: makes this guy tick. Smith is back now, and you've

733
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: been told to keep a tight eye on him. Yesterday,

734
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: the blacksmith came and locked it up like you've never

735
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: seen before. Chains, shackles, cups. He looks afright, and you

736
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: can what it would feel like to be bound like that.

737
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: Last night they had to call the locksmith back to

738
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: shorten the chains after he tried to wrap the ones

739
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: he had around his neck. Suddenly you hear a commotion.

740
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: It's Smith, for sure, and he's shouting chains rattle. Smith

741
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: calls out Bible verses in between screeches and moans. He's

742
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: off his rocker, you think to yourself as you run

743
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: to the cell. He's in the cell, bashing his hand

744
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: against the walls, slamming the chain into the bricks. With

745
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: a clink, the chain snaps. Smith stops and you stare

746
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: at each other in silence. The broken link clatters to

747
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: the ground. You tell Smith to stay right there while

748
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: you shout down the hall for someone to get the

749
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: blacksmith again. You're thankful for the four other chains that

750
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: hold Smith there against his will, although no one would

751
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: get hurt if he escaped again, just Sheriff Bates' pride

752
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: in your career. You walk into the cell and you

753
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: sit on the floor beside Smith. His hands and ankles

754
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: are bloody. He has a crazed look in his eye.

755
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 3: You've seen that before. Once you were in the woods

756
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: with your father and you came upon a wolf with

757
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: its leg caught in a trap. The wolf snarled at you,

758
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: but its eyes showed deep terror. You asked your dad

759
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: if he was going to shoot the wolf put it

760
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: out of his misery. He assessed the beautiful beast's leg

761
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 3: from afar and determine it was something that could heal

762
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: if it were free. He got a big stick and

763
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: approached the wolf. The wolf lashed out and snarled some more,

764
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 3: but its eyes just showed desperation. Your father was able

765
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: to ledge the stick into the trap and free the wolf.

766
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: It sprinted away from you without a second glance. No

767
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: limp or yelp. As pained as it was, it wasn't

768
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 3: interested in hurting you. It just wanted to be free,

769
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: even if it meant to die in the woods on

770
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: its own terms. That's what you see as you look

771
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: into Henry Smith's eyes. He is raving, he is shouting,

772
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: he is quoting the Bible and flailing against his shackles,

773
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: but his eyes showed terror. He just wants to be free.

774
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: You go to the corner of the cell and you

775
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 3: get a wet rag from a bucket. You softly wipe

776
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: the blood from his arms, from his neck. He rises

777
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: against you, but you can see in his eyes that

778
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: he you mean him no harm, and you don't fear him.

779
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 3: You have nothing but compassion for him. Society and circumstance

780
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: have driven him to this state, just like the wolf.

781
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: So Smith's horse theft trial kicked off May eighteen fifty.

782
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: That was beautiful. I mean, I gotta say honestly, Normally

783
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: they're pretty darn funny, but that one was beautiful. I

784
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: loved my father.

785
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: The wo.

786
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: Oh I was deep, and the snow I was there, Yes,

787
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: I was there, And then I had compassion for my

788
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: fellow human.

789
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just amazing, went threw a lot together.

790
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm a better person.

791
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: That was a journey.

792
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: He's humane. So Smith's horse trial, May eighteen fifteen. He

793
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: gets brought into the prisoner's dock for trial, and he

794
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: kept up this wild behavior. He like ripped his shirt

795
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: and snap his fingers.

796
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: I've waited on people like that before. I know that vibe.

797
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah so and he like at one.

798
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: Point he kicked at the wooden railing until they had

799
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: to bring leg irons and buying him up again, just

800
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: flailing around. The prosecutor was Attorney General Wetmore, the guy

801
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 3: whose dinner party guests the coat. I will not recuse

802
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: your honor. I have a personal interest in this. I

803
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: don't think they had an insanity defense.

804
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: Then that's what I was just about, asking when that comes.

805
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I was too lazy to look

806
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: it up.

807
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: I don't really know if they even would acknowledge it's

808
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: the same thing we recognize it as.

809
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: Then I looked it up, and I wondered to myself

810
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: today did they have it? And I thought, should you

811
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: look it up? And I thought, yeah I should? Am

812
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: I going to know?

813
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: You know what?

814
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: Who knows? Who cares?

815
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: If you want to find it out.

816
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: There's Google exactly exactly. Cheese. So but the lawyer he's like,

817
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: I've got it. He points out that when Smith was arrested,

818
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: he wasn't on the horse. He was just so there's

819
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: no way to prove possession. He's just near it. It

820
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: seems like a sound, argued.

821
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: Man, He's gotten the law worked out exactly.

822
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: H So it went to the jury and they discussed

823
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: it for two hours, and then they came back guilty

824
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: and him to be hanged. Damn right. So Attorney General

825
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Wetmore he asked for a report on Smith's state of

826
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: mind and behavior before he could set a date for

827
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: the execution.

828
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: Not the century to be stealing horses, No.

829
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: And so Bates he goes to Smith's cell to try

830
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: to talk to him about the whole situation. But apparently

831
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: Bates said quote he paid no attention, patted his hands,

832
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 3: saying and acted the fool as usual.

833
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: Bits is real hard.

834
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: He wouldn't talk.

835
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: All the time, he plays.

836
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: And he's just slapping himself. In what were to be

837
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: his final days, he made a bunch of puppets using

838
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: fabric from his clothes, sock puppets, straw from his bedding,

839
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: and then he called them his family man. He would

840
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: put on puppet shows for the staff or like any

841
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: visitors that would come in.

842
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: Did he marry one of them because he's very.

843
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: And then he was, oh, my wife. So by August

844
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: things are looking bleak that they're looking and then they

845
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: weren't because his lawyer had been working around the clock

846
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: to save him and it worked. He was pardoned. He

847
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: was crazy, but was like, yeah, they were like, look

848
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: at this behavior. He does not know anything about what's going.

849
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: On, so they would rather feed him than put him

850
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: in the rope.

851
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose.

852
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it. That type of morality sometimes,

853
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: like what you're gonna punish him this way? Like keeping

854
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: him alive.

855
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: They took pity on him and compassion. Bates goes to

856
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: Smith in the cell and is like, homie've been pardoned.

857
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: Smith doesn't understand or care. He's just like what he

858
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: said something about wanting potatoes for dinner. Okay, So one

859
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: condition not breaking and they're not going to actually have

860
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: to pay for his upkeep because one condition of the

861
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: release was that he had to get the h double

862
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: hockey sticks out of wondering about someone else's.

863
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: Probably be crazy down in Newfoundland.

864
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, to go to the United States. They got a

865
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: lot of you guys down there, So baits Bates was

866
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: sad to see him. Bates is like, we've spent a

867
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: year together. Of course I feel bad, really like Bates

868
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: is like trying so hard to connect with him. He can't.

869
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: So he buys Smith a whole brand new outfit, like

870
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: a first day of school outfit, and buys him a

871
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: ticket on a ship headed for Nova Scotia. Wow, and

872
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: like he mubbles and shuffles. Smith mumbles and shuffles, and

873
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: he looks all dazed as he gets on the boat.

874
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: And like Bates stands there and watches the boat sail

875
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: away with his little wounded wolf on board, and I'm

876
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: sure he is like a hanky. So the boat docks

877
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: in Novas Goosha, and Smith made like Kaiser sosay and

878
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: lost the limp on his way off the boat walked

879
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: off a fully seen man.

880
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was Kaiser.

881
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: When straighten up, it straightens out at Nova Scotia, the

882
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: act worked. He weaseled his way to Yeah. A few

883
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: years went by. He really is willing to commit a long,

884
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: long game every time.

885
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: Incredible.

886
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: He a few years later, he's going by the name

887
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: William Newman. He gets arrested in new Haven, Connecticut for

888
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: stealing jewelry silver. Oh yeah, he's like stealing from innkeepers

889
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: at this point. And then he worked the oh my

890
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: side is killing me con there for a bit, but

891
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: like striking out with that gambit. He then decided to

892
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: saw his way through the cell door. He gets recaptured.

893
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: He was convicted of burglary at trial and he got

894
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: three years of hard labor and investigators discovered his previous

895
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: identity and contacted Sheriff Bates and Bates rushed.

896
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

897
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes down there. Bates goes to his cell

898
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: and Smith acts like he's never seen Bates before in

899
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: his life. Wow, He's like, who are you?

900
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: Would you love to see like Matt Damon and Philip

901
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: Seymour Hoffman play that scene, right? I know we can't

902
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: get that, but wouldn't that be amazing?

903
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: Oh god?

904
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

905
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: So Bates he's baffled, but he's like a little crushed

906
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: and so after doing.

907
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: He's devastating.

908
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: Is so he you know, Smith does his time and

909
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: he gets sort of lost in the shuffle. He's hard

910
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: to track in this era, but that didn't stop Bates.

911
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: He spent the rest of his days trying to track

912
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: Smith down. He said that he could connect Smith to

913
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: thefts in Boston, New York, Connecticut, Ontario, Canada. Bates heard

914
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: about a preacher named Henry Hopkins in the South who

915
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: got arrested in eighteen twenty seven and was sentenced to

916
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 3: seven years in prison. He was sure that that was Smith,

917
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 3: but he couldn't make it down there, and he wasn't

918
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: able to physically confirm it. But basically, any time there

919
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: was a report of a clever thief, Bates was like,

920
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: it's Smith. It's my boy, It's there. He goes, there's

921
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: that beautiful boy. I want to buy him another suit,

922
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: and Smith sous his eye. Smith so captivating him that

923
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: Bates joined the Ridiculous Crime Book Club, and he really

924
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: a corker of all time. Called The Mysterious Stranger, or

925
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 3: Memoirs of the Noted Henry Moore.

926
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: Smith Guess what You're Getting for Your Birthday?

927
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: It was published in Connecticut, then it gets republished in England.

928
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: The Halifax newspaper, The Acadian Recorder.

929
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: A great Acadian paper.

930
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 3: Serialized it in eighteen seventeen, and they sold the book

931
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: for a shilling a copy. And The Mysterious Stranger had

932
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: seven printings.

933
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: I bet it did.

934
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: The last one was in It appeared in nineteen twelve.

935
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: That was one hundred years after Smith.

936
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 2: Got to un of money.

937
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: Christ's Cloud Story certified hit.

938
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

939
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 3: The combined sales at that time topped forty thousand copies.

940
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can make this into hit today.

941
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: That's a lot even today.

942
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can make this into a movie and have

943
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: it hit immediately.

944
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: A new edition of it was published in nineteen seventy nine.

945
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

946
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: So. At the end of The Mysterious Stranger, Bates wrote, quote,

947
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: in all the adventures, we are not called upon to

948
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: witness any acts of violence and blood. And it is

949
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: perhaps owing to the absence of this repulsive trait, that

950
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: we do not behold him in a more relentless light.

951
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: So basically, he didn't hurt nobody.

952
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally your rule.

953
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and that's what makes him a ridiculous criminal, perfect, ridiculous, totally.

954
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: The only person you hurt was Baits, really, my man, Baits. Yeah,

955
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: it hurt his heart, Yes, he just bruised it.

956
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: Im Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway.

957
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I I can't. I gotta admit I think

958
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: we should dip our toes more into the Canadian waters

959
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: because some of the crimes up there are just so

960
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: filled with a bizarre passion. You know, it's like it's

961
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: not like that. I don't I'm not trying to like

962
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: fall into like the Oh it's the Great White North

963
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: and they're cold and lonely. But I think they're cold

964
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: and lonely up there in the Great White North, Elizabeth,

965
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: because we always hear that these stories of like couples

966
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: going across the country, people being committed to like even

967
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: in Canada is always he's very big and grand and

968
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: long lasting, and like this guy commits to the bit.

969
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: There's something about it that has like a Texas quality

970
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: of bigger than life, but but but the old but humble.

971
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a humble and kind version of

972
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: the we're bigger than life but Canada. So anyway, that's mine.

973
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: What's yours, Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking,

974
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: of course every time you know why I got your

975
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: back for.

976
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: Once you asked me. I I'm just into the long

977
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: game of it all. Like if you're gonna do it,

978
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: commit like wow, And that's that's putting a lot of

979
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: trust in your your your long game.

980
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: Totally and that all things would go out and work

981
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: out your benefit. Also, he didn't take the moment to,

982
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: like when the boat's pulling away, to break down and

983
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: kind of wave, because then someone could chase the boat down.

984
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: He waited until the boat got to the next nation.

985
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: Then he's like, Okay, I think I'm free.

986
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: I know me too, all right, that's what I have.

987
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: Oh oh you know what we do need I talk about?

988
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when you queue that up?

989
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: Oh god, I love ge.

990
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: Heyes, Aaron and Elizabeth. I wanted to update you on

991
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 4: something totally ridiculous going on on the internet right now.

992
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 4: If you need any industrial glraade glycine, uh dong Hua

993
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: gene long is your man. You see, there is a

994
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: manufacturer of industrial grade glycine in China that made a

995
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: TikTok advertising their product and it has gone absolutely by

996
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: And I think that's ridiculous.

997
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I don't have the TikTok no, but glycine.

998
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: That is this is I like that someone can go

999
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: viral pushing glycine.

1000
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: I know right. That's now I want to know what

1001
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: ridiculous that is certified. I gotta find the video. Don't

1002
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: send us the video. The interns will find it.

1003
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: Send the video.

1004
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: That's all I have for today. You can find us

1005
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: online at ridiculous Crime dot com. You can find us

1006
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: on social media, but not TikTok. Do you have TikTok?

1007
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get rid of all of them, one

1008
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: at a time. One or two I think I've gotten

1009
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: I think I still have accounts, but I only look

1010
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: at like, yeah, one or two of the.

1011
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: Man I don't have the TikTok. Email ridiculous Crime at

1012
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,520
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