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Speaker 1: your summer. Let's talk some sports and other stuff over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of hours. So I heard Isaac Lohencron

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Speaker 1: start the update with with the passing of a Hulk Hogan.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not criticizing Isaac, Okay, So again, like I

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Speaker 1: don't tell Isaac what to lead with. He doesn't tell

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Speaker 1: me what to lead with. And I do think that

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Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan dying at the age of like seventy one

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Speaker 1: is a big story. I just personally tell you that

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Speaker 1: the things that he was outed for for saying on

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Speaker 1: for me to feel like a guy is an icon

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Speaker 1: when that's the way he spoke about people. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's a bunch of different lessons in

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Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan dying. Right, that's the thing. And no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going rule of three, as Jaycedu kind of eerily predicted.

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Speaker 1: I think it was two days ago. He's like, you

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Speaker 1: know what they're gonna say, it comes in threes. And

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Speaker 1: with Ozzie dying, and with Malcolm Jamal Warner dying, and

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Speaker 1: now Hulk Hogan dying, everybody from the eighties is dying.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's actually the less not the rule of three.

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Speaker 1: It's that because I was thinking about this on how

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Speaker 1: we still, especially in the NBA, but some in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: we grip to this belief that athletes aren't going to age,

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Speaker 1: that who they were last year is who they're going

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Speaker 1: to be this year and next year. Again, it's the

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Speaker 1: age old thing of why I agree with not having

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Speaker 1: multi year, lengthy, guaranteed contracts in the National Football League

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Speaker 1: I don't care if that sounds like I'm anti athlete.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm a realist. I mean, heck, even justin fields.

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Speaker 1: And I think he may have dislocated a toe. We

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Speaker 1: don't know which toe. It happened earlier today, but it

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Speaker 1: caused you to hold your breath. But the idea is,

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Speaker 1: in football, you are just one hit away from never

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Speaker 1: playing again. And most guys outside of the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: and even sometimes when you get to your late thirties

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback position, that you age overnight, you're just

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Speaker 1: not the same guy you used to be in any way,

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Speaker 1: So maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's like we

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Speaker 1: make fun of the Clippers because the Clippers have gone

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Speaker 1: to James harden Kawhi's a little bit longer in the

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Speaker 1: tooth and oft injured and now Chris Paul And you're like, dude, really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this team ten years ago amazing. This year

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Speaker 1: that'll make the playoffs? Then what? But we only do

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Speaker 1: it for Chris Paul. We don't do it for the Lakers, right,

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Speaker 1: we don't do it talk about Lebron. Remember last year,

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Speaker 1: heading into the playoffs, we were like, hey, I think

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Speaker 1: they got a chance. They had no chance. Why he's

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Speaker 1: a shell of his former self, especially the defensive end,

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Speaker 1: as he should be forty years old. He's amazing for forty,

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Speaker 1: but he's still forty. So maybe the start of the

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Speaker 1: show is age is just a number, or maybe it's

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Speaker 1: that Hulk Hogan. Tiger Woods now was never presented like

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Speaker 1: hulkal maniacs. He was like an American icon. But just

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Speaker 1: like wrestling itself, it's fake. Everything about it was fake,

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Speaker 1: and please stop with the Those guys get hurt, They

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Speaker 1: new in Parker. Only difference is it's a planned out act.

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Speaker 1: In wrestling, they are really talented athletic actors. That's what

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Speaker 1: they are. They're not athletes. They may have been an

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Speaker 1: endeavor because it's planned out. It is scripted. The winner

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Speaker 1: things in our childhood if you're of my age, Like again,

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Speaker 1: scorn at the fact that my dad used to tell me,

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Speaker 1: like that's real. It's not real, Bob, It's not just

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Speaker 1: like the presentation of an American icon, like Hulk Hogan

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that great. Maybe it's the trappings of fame. Whatever

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Speaker 1: ask you a question, do you consider this is just

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Speaker 1: again you're allowed your opinion. I have mine. Was Hulk

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Speaker 1: Hogan an athlete?

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Speaker 2: What to kinda do in the larger farms in the world?

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Speaker 3: Brother?

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Speaker 4: That's my response. No, it's a brother, It's it's a

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Speaker 4: I think the I think maybe a more know The

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Speaker 4: answer is no, he was a it was sports entertainment,

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Speaker 1: It was not sports entertainment. It's not sports snot You're

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Speaker 1: you're letting the WWE get to you with like ah,

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Speaker 1: we changed it to w entertainment, like real wrestling. That's why,

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Speaker 1: I honestly think it's one of the reasons UFC and

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Speaker 1: and you know, MMA is so popular because it's real wrestling,

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Speaker 1: whereas we were sold fake wrestling for so long. So

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Speaker 1: how old were you when you found out it was fake.

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Speaker 4: Last last Thursday? No, I was thinking about this this morning.

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Speaker 4: I I deep down knew it was fake. But I

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Speaker 4: think why this is such a big story and it

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Speaker 4: evokes so much is less about, as you said, who

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Speaker 4: Hulk Hogan was. I was not as given name, of course,

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Speaker 4: but rather the memories it evoked from a certain generation

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Speaker 4: charm of sports is nostalgia, and especially when you're growing

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Speaker 4: up in that age, you don't realize that there's a

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Speaker 4: real life where things probably aren't as clean cut as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's honestly, it's a beautifully put series of sentences.

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Speaker 1: It is really well done, really well done. Sam here,

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Speaker 1: you're younger, was there ever? I think part of it

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Speaker 1: young enough to where you were always in on it, right,

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Speaker 1: you always knew that it wasn't real.

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Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, never never yeah, never confused uh, pro wrestling

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Speaker 6: You don't have all these crazy stunts and stuff in

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Speaker 1: Because you can't actually do that if you're actually gonna

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Speaker 6: Way, And there's not actually a whole lot of like wrestling,

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Speaker 6: like actual sport of wrestling in pro wrestling. It's more

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Speaker 6: of like violent fighting and with some grappling and stuff,

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Speaker 6: but it's it's it's not the same thing. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I never thought it was never thought it was real.

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Speaker 4: During during the Kulk generation, if you will, I would

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Speaker 4: say there was more, like I said, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 4: say it was competitive sports at all, but there was

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Speaker 4: a lot more seemingly athleticism than how it is now,

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Speaker 4: when it's way excessively based on storylines and anything but

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Speaker 1: Okay, again, I'm a fully disclosed I have never been

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Speaker 1: an avid watcher of WWF or WWE or any or

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Speaker 1: would tell you though that I think and I yes,

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Speaker 6: I feel like some of the stunts from the eighties

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Speaker 6: put their lives on the line a little more, you know. Yeah, Like, uh,

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Speaker 6: and I'm pleased, I'm not I'm not a pro wrestling.

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Speaker 6: Well and also like what is it. Uh, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna miss quote this, but it's like rage in

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Speaker 6: falling on each other and Helen cell yeah that later. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Raged in a cage, yeah, I know. But but there

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Speaker 6: was there was stuff that were they were in the nineties.

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Speaker 6: These people were These people were putting their lives on

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Speaker 6: the line to entertain.

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Speaker 4: People, Helen.

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Speaker 1: They were not putting their lives up.

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Speaker 6: Oh, they absolutely were, Doug, They absolutely were. There were

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Speaker 6: times where guys were jumping off of like forty feet

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Speaker 6: selling the you know, selling the sports, selling out is

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Speaker 6: what they called it. It was like you take a

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Speaker 6: you'd like wipe your brow and you cut your like

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Speaker 6: it was real blood and stuff. Yeah, it was. It

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Speaker 6: was all predetermined. But I would definitely call these guys athletes.

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Speaker 6: I absolutely would. And I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: crossover between sports and pro wrestling. You say George Kittle

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Speaker 6: the field now in in interviews.

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Speaker 1: But is it sports? It's not, it's not. Why is

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Speaker 1: it a sport?

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Speaker 4: It's not. I didn't say it's a sport.

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Speaker 6: I said they're athletes, athletes, athletes, But but they're athletic actors.

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Speaker 1: They're not athletes.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we're arguing semantics here. I don't think it's competition.

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Speaker 6: It's predetermined competition. But they are athletes because they are.

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Speaker 6: They have to be in certain shape, they have to

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Speaker 6: you know, it's not competition. There's a I think there's

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Speaker 6: a difference there, Like.

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Speaker 1: Was uh uh Andre the Giant? Was he an athlete?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just a giant. He walked around things

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Speaker 6: Was not but he used his body, He used his body.

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Speaker 1: If he was athletic at all, he would have played

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. That's an athlete.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't he a world champion drinker?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 4: Outside the ring? I mean, I've heard stories.

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. If you want to be the coach, you

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Speaker 1: can be the coach. Like that's your money, You're allowed

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Speaker 1: to do it. That's where the expression owners own, because

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Speaker 1: owners owns. At the end of the day, they want

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Speaker 1: to do something, they just damn well do it. No problem,

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Speaker 1: problem solved. But I I also think we have a

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Speaker 1: misconception or misperception of what actually takes place, is that

439
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Speaker 1: he's not making all these picks on his own. But

440
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Speaker 1: what he can do is they can say, hey, I

441
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Speaker 1: like this guy. I saw it senior Bowl, I like

442
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Speaker 1: that guy. Let's take that guy. It's not to say

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Speaker 1: that what the Cowboys are doing is perfect or right.

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Speaker 1: And I do think there's a certain amount of what

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Speaker 1: Colin's saying which is dead to nuts accurate, because it's

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Speaker 1: not just the GMing and the marketing, and it's they

447
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Speaker 1: haven't done a good job of hiring the right coaches.

448
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Speaker 1: They become beholden to players who they should let go.

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Speaker 1: The drafting at times has been really good, at times

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Speaker 1: it hasn't. Sometimes they've signed somebody willie nilly out a

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Speaker 1: free agency that didn't make sense. It's all those things

452
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Speaker 1: combined are just coming up short, and so the team

453
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Speaker 1: constantly just comes up short. But all of our opinions

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Speaker 1: don't matter because we didn't pay the money. We didn't

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Speaker 1: raise the money, pay the money own the Cowboys. We

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Speaker 1: weren't owning the Cowboys. When they want to call three

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. So Jerry's allowed to do what he's allowed

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Speaker 1: to do. If he wants to let somebody else impregnanty

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Speaker 1: his wife, fine, if he wants to do it, fine.

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Speaker 1: In this particular case, he's like, I could hire somebody else,

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Speaker 1: but I know what I want and I let my

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Speaker 1: scouts do their job. And the last part is if

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Speaker 1: we're being honest, For the most part, the Cowboys has

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Speaker 1: done a really good job of their overall talent level. Granted,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles have found a way to sort of put

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Speaker 1: themselves ahead of everybody else, but up until last year,

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Speaker 1: there hasn't been anybody who's, like, you know, the Cowboys

468
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Speaker 1: just don't have that much talent. Hasn't been the case.

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Speaker 1: That hasn't what been what has kept the Cowboys from

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Speaker 1: performing in the playoffs. I don't think Dak's that good,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're in that little bit quarterback purgatory.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are some other decisions they have

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Speaker 1: made in terms of re signing players. Ezekiel Elliott that

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Speaker 1: wasn't a good contract and it screwed a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other things up. So I'm not saying he's perfect, But

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Speaker 1: the idea that you bring in a different GM. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have to. If you own the team, you want

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Speaker 1: to be the GM. And he'd done a good enough job,

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Speaker 1: and they've done a good enough job for the last

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. He doesn't have to.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you do too much, something will fall short.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's in the coaching hires they make,

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Speaker 1: and in the decision at quarterback. They got stuck there.

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Speaker 1: They had Romo, he had his flaws in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but then he was coming back. They stuck with Dak.

487
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Speaker 1: Dak's been their guy, and you do fear letting that

488
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Speaker 1: guy walk out the door because finding the next quarterback

489
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Speaker 1: is so so difficult if you don't have one, as opposed,

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Speaker 1: it feels a little easier when you do have one.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we get back on the Cowboys in a second.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I look at Jerry and I'm not

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Speaker 1: defending him, but everybody talks about him giving up GM

494
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Speaker 1: duties and talent on that football team has not been

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Speaker 1: the problem coaching quarterback play some aging out of some guys,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, if being the GM, in terms of how

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Speaker 1: you re sign guys, how you structure the contracts, what

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Speaker 1: it all looks like. That is on Jerry. That is

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Speaker 1: his issue, but that doesn't mean you can't hire somebody

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Speaker 1: to help you with those issues while still maintaining the

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Speaker 1: kind of overarching team of being the general manager.

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Speaker 4: I just thought of one. How about Moncey's Meanderings, Lncy.

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Speaker 4: What am I doing here?

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Speaker 5: It's a new segment of our show called Moncey's Meanderings.

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Speaker 4: Meander So think about.

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Speaker 1: That what is meandering me entering is like have you

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Speaker 1: ever been shopping and you have no purpose and you

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Speaker 1: go aisle to isle the island like, oh that looks good,

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Speaker 1: Oh this looks good. They just keep going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do that all the time, wandering, Okay, all

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Speaker 4: the time you have.

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Speaker 6: If she's ever been shopping, that's like is that it's

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Speaker 6: not even rhetorical question?

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Speaker 2: Do it all day?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, except except it would sound exceptionally chauvinus to go

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Speaker 1: like MANSI you're a woman, you go shopping all the time.

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Speaker 4: Right, ladies be shopping, I be shopping all day.

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Speaker 1: I do. I actually really enjoy grocery shopping. Uh not

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Speaker 1: poorly kept secret that that's one of my favorite pastimes.

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Speaker 1: But right, so the idea, I'm actually a little bit

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Speaker 1: more focused, like I know what I want and I

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Speaker 1: have it, Like I have the whole strategy of what

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Speaker 1: I get. When I get it, I go, i'll aisle,

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Speaker 1: I'll skip the aisle, I'll, i'll i'll.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I do the same thing with with when I go

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Speaker 1: to a gas station. Obviously, my main vehicle at home

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Speaker 1: is electric, so I don't have to do that when

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Speaker 1: I don't like I actually does anybody else do this

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Speaker 1: where I try and act like it's a pit stop

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Speaker 1: and see how fast I can fill up the tank.

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Speaker 4: Yes, hmm.

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Speaker 1: I always like if I have a rental car, like

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Speaker 1: one of my kids with me, Like time me, Like

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Speaker 1: what time me? See how fast I can do this?

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Speaker 1: Like why is that important? Like I don't know because

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Speaker 1: it is anyway Moncey's meanderings And I'm just again just

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Speaker 1: flushing out here. We should do this off outside of

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Speaker 1: the show, But that's okay, It's better this way is

555
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: Jay stud tell me what you're thinking, Like she just

556
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Speaker 1: goes to all of her different thoughts and they can

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Speaker 1: be movies, they can be music, they can be basketball, football, soccer, wrestling,

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Speaker 1: anything you want. Yeah, we just kind of put it

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Speaker 1: all together. It's Monzi's meanderings.

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Speaker 5: It's you know, meandering is basically just taking a winding

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Speaker 5: course to things so you just don't get right to

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Speaker 5: the point and you it's basically what Iowa Sam does

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Speaker 5: on the air every day on Falk Corse Radio. I

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Speaker 5: get to the point eventually, but his name doesn't start

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Speaker 5: with an M, so it would be Manzy's me hundreds.

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Speaker 6: By Sam's You're in Wisconsin Doug a lot of meandering

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Speaker 6: creeks and rivers and streams. That's kind of I think

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Speaker 6: the word meandering. I think of like rivers meandering around

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Speaker 6: Ben's and yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think of meandering as when you're at a party

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Speaker 1: and you don't really know anybody at the party and

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Speaker 1: you just kind of walk around and do you do

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Speaker 1: the lap around the room, and you're like you're trying

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Speaker 1: to not make eye contact with anybody because you get

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Speaker 1: pulled into a conversation. You don't know who that person is,

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Speaker 1: and you want to go like, hey, man, now are

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Speaker 1: you dude? So you're just kind of meandering and weave ye,

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Speaker 1: get your beverage, sort of meander back, standoff, ash, Oh

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Speaker 1: I know somebody. Now I'm going in and I'm having

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Speaker 1: a conversation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just you know, doing something in a rudderless way.

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Speaker 1: You know, rudderless way. It's really good. I like that.

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Speaker 1: So I saw this story and I wanted to discuss

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Speaker 1: with you guys. Lebron James picked up his player option

585
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Speaker 1: to remain with the Lakers, but it represents a calculating

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Speaker 1: decision that did not come without considering a move elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: According to John Hollinger of the Athletic. In fact, there

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Speaker 1: were whispers in the league circles about Lebron James having

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Speaker 1: an eye for Dallas reports, but the four time NBA

590
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Speaker 1: champion was not willing to pass on a fifty two

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Speaker 1: point six million dollar contract with the Lakers for a

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Speaker 1: non taxpayer mid level exceptions sign In Dallas, James would

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Speaker 1: have reunited with Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis, also having

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to play alongside number one overall pick Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: James express belief that Flag will be amazing with the Mavericks. So,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, let's let's dive in here. I call bull crap, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, we do this in college basketball. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I could have had this guy, could have had that guy,

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Speaker 1: and not taking this guy. It was never an option

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Speaker 1: if you weren't if you were going to opt in. Ever, well,

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Speaker 1: Lebron James ever played for less than top down? Would

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Speaker 1: he ever play for less than ten million dollars or

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars? Jase? Do any chance, No, that's not

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Speaker 1: that's not him, Okay, Sam? Any chance, no moncy, any

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Speaker 1: chance you believe Lebron James at ever player let's just

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Speaker 1: say I don't even know what the mid level exception

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Speaker 1: is at less than fifteen million dollars. No, okay, so

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Speaker 1: it's not an option. It's not an option. All right.

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Speaker 1: This is the guy going like, yeah, I could have

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Speaker 1: thinken her out, like she wouldn't have gone out with you?

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Speaker 1: What are we? Even though it was whispers round league

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Speaker 1: circus like no, there weren't. And again, I'm not telling

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Speaker 1: you that that John Hollinger is full of it. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling the people that are calling John Hollings and like,

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Speaker 1: you know he thought about it. Here's the conversation of it. Rich,

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Speaker 1: Can I go play in Dallas?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have to play for the mid level? Hell? No?

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Speaker 1: Can we make it uncomfortable enough for the Lakers that

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Speaker 1: they have to trade us? We could try, right, we

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Speaker 1: could try. You know, there was a player who again

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Speaker 1: I was just during one of the breaks, I got

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Speaker 1: a text from a guy who's helped me with a

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Speaker 1: player who's from Belgium. I really liked him. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to have him, but they were asking for way too

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Speaker 1: much money. He ended up signing with another friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: and I think it'll be really good there for less

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Speaker 1: than half the money that he was asking for me.

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Speaker 1: I can't sit here and go like, hey, he should

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Speaker 1: be on my team, I should have him. At the time,

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Speaker 1: he was working with a different agency and they were

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Speaker 1: asking for like two three x of what we wanted

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Speaker 1: to pay him. So it's not really an option. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean I don't think it's true that he'd prefer

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Speaker 1: to play. He thinks that Kyrie and Anthony Davis that's

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00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: much more his jam, right, But it also proves what

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Speaker 1: I've said time and again, which is like, here's a

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Speaker 1: dude who they hired a coach, and do I think

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Speaker 1: JJ is bringing a coach? I do, But do we

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Speaker 1: think for one second JJ would have gotten the Lakers

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Speaker 1: job had he not been doing a podcast with Lebron James. No,

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Speaker 1: we don't. So you hired somebody that he respects, that

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Speaker 1: he works with, that he likes. That's kind of a contemporary.

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Speaker 1: As the head coach, you draft his son, You've done

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Speaker 1: everything in your power to make him and his people

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable, and then you make a trade where everybody

647
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Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm the only voice for reason,

648
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't think it was as pronounced slam dunk

649
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: dominant trade for the Lakers, as as the world would leged,

650
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: you believe, but ninety nine percent of the people think

651
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: the Lakers won that trade. Maybe even one hundred think

652
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: the Lakers won the trade. It's a question of how

653
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: much do they Did they win it by a point

654
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: or do they win it by twenty five? And yet

655
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Lebron James is like, yeah, I mean, he wants it

656
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: out there. He'd rather play for the Mavericks than play

657
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: for the Lakers. That's what he's saying. He's saying, if

658
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: all things were equal, he would rather play for the Mavericks.

659
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: They're not equal, so he doesn't really want He's not

660
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice to play for the Mavericks, but he

661
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: wants he'd rather play for the Mavericks than play for

662
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: the then play for the Lakers.

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Speaker 5: Yet again, seems like every single story that comes out

664
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Speaker 5: of the Rich Paul camp is we don't care about

665
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 5: your the Laker fans. I mean no, this is no.

666
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 5: The only reason I'm playing in front of you fans

667
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 5: is for the money. I would much rather be somewhere else.

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00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And as we've said on this show, which

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00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: is that they should have they should have jettisoned Lebron

670
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: James a couple of years ago. They didn't because one,

671
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: there was a value. They felt like there was value

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Speaker 1: in having him break the all time scoring mark in

673
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: their uniform. But two, they were just all in on Lebron. Hey,

674
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: this is where he's gonna end his career. We're gonna

675
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: have a son here. Will do whatever it takes to

676
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: get the most out of Lebron, and the repayment is, Hey,

677
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: I Luca gets the ball more than me, he gets

678
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: to make decisions. I'd prefer to go do it somewhere else.

679
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: No thought of every Laker fan buying a Lebron jersey,

680
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: swallowing their pride as Kobe guys to buy Lebron jersey.

681
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't care, doesn't care, literally only staying in LA because

682
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: he has to because that's where he makes the most money.

683
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: So I also think this is one of those stories

684
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: that is the It's kind of classic Rich Paul trying

685
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: to create this. He'd rather be somewhere else. Is there

686
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: a way in which we can get him traded. That's

687
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: a great question. I don't know the answer to that one.

688
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't think the answer is yes, but it wouldn't

689
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: be crazy this late in his career. Remember, he played

690
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd was the assistant coach when they won a championship.

691
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is also wrapped by Lebron, by Rich Paul,

692
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: and though he and Kyrie had a falling out, they

693
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: fell back in and there was talk of Kyrie coming

694
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: to LA before he ultimately went to Dallas. But I

695
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: love this post mortem story of a contract that was

696
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: agreed to two months ago. Hey, if it wasn't for

697
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: forty five million dollars or forty million dollars in difference

698
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: for a guy who's worth a billion dollars, he totally

699
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: would have come play for the Dallas Mavericks. I actually

700
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: think it looks bad on a multiple on a bunch

701
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: of fronts. It looks bad towards his relationship with the Lakers,

702
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: towards his amount of respect for Laker fans and accepting him,

703
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: And it even looks bad upon Lebron. Don't tell me

704
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: you want to play for somebody. Don't tell me you

705
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: want to play for championships, and then you're not willing

706
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: to sacrifice forty million dollars when you're worth thirty forty X.

707
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: That that doesn't make any sense.

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715
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Speaker 1: at the time when he kind of broke through with

716
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718
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Speaker 1: upon the life of Jim Abbott and he's kind of

719
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Speaker 1: to spend some time this year on the Doug Otlieb

720
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Speaker 1: Show on Fox Sports Radio. Jim, how are you.

721
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Speaker 3: I'm great, Thanks for having me.

722
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I'm watching the documentary and I'm

723
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: just it's like I felt I was there. I remember,

724
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: but there's lots of parts I did not know. And

725
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: I think there's so many people in this generation of

726
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: sports who have no idea about your story. You were

727
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: born without a hand, Like, what's your first memory of

728
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: being different than other kids?

729
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: You know, I guess the best my memory recollection would

730
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: be was kindergarten. You know, my parents, you know, were great,

731
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: They were my heroes. They had me at a young age.

732
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: I was born a little bit differently, and they searched

733
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: for a lot of ways to help me, you know,

734
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: just kind of throwing up things against the wall to

735
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: see what would stick. And so they suited me up

736
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: with the prosthesis and the shape of a metal hook.

737
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: You know, it was kind of awkward, It was cumbersome.

738
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: I went to kindergarten wearing that, and obviously that brought

739
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: the stairs and the questions and different awkward moments. And

740
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, when I walked into school

741
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: for the first time, was the first time that I

742
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: was like, man, I am really different from the rest

743
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: of the kids.

744
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: What was it like the first time you thought about

745
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: playing baseball?

746
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in Michigan, so you know, that's

747
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: just what you did. And I grew up in a

748
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: tough town. I grew up in Flint, Michigan, as you know,

749
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: a great basketball town. I used to junior high school.

750
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: I used to play basketball with Glenn Rice every day,

751
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: you know, but in Flint, it was it was a

752
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: way to make your name, you know, to fit in,

753
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: to belong was to be on a team. And so

754
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't particularly baseball, although I could always throw things.

755
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: I loved basketball. I loved football, and I love the

756
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: sense of belonging that it gave me at recess or

757
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: on a playground.

758
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but baseball specifically. Again, like I had no understanding

759
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: that anyone with one hand could play baseball like basketball. Again,

760
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: it seems limiting, but and that that had to be hard. Right,

761
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: So when you played basketball, did you play with the

762
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: hook on or did you play with it off?

763
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: No? I quickly, you know, I dropped the process pretty quick.

764
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: It didn't you know, it may work for a lot

765
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: of people, but I, you know, it didn't help me

766
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: to do the things I love to do. It didn't

767
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 3: help me dribble to my right, you know, it didn't

768
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: help me to play baseball or hold a bat. So

769
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: I gave it up after a couple of years. And

770
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: then I just, you know, with my parents' blessing, I

771
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: just started, you know, trying to do things my own way.

772
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 3: And whether it was switching the glove on and off

773
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: of my left hand and throwing and catching with the

774
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: same hand, or you know, holding a baseball bat, or

775
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: to this day trying to hold a golf club. You know,

776
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: I just tried to take a lot of trial and error,

777
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: a lot of trying to figure things out, but just

778
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what seemed most natural to me.

779
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: How did you How did you developed the ability to

780
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: to field as well as you did, because, like it was,

781
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: it was honestly like a thing of beauty. It's like, wow,

782
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: it happens like so quickly where you throw and then

783
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: you'd you'd put put the glove on your on your

784
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: left hand. Take me through the steps of how that

785
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: How you learned that?

786
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: Well, there were several steps. You know. I first started.

787
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: It was very slow. It was kind of cumbersome. You know,

788
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: I had a baseball myt that was probably more like

789
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: a softball mint, and you know, it just it didn't flow.

790
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: So I had to learn, you know, to get the

791
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: right size glove. And I would throw a ball against

792
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: a brick wall and try to catch it over and

793
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: over again because I love to do it, much like

794
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: shooting baskets. It was just something that was a release

795
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: for me, something that I spent time doing alone. And

796
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: then you know, when I made it, I got to

797
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: the University of Michigan, and I knew playing at the

798
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: collegiate level D one level that you know, people were

799
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: going to start trying to take advantage. And that's fair enough,

800
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, so I would. I really started devoting a

801
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: lot of time, you know, to my fielding and working

802
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: on buns and working on you know, bun down the

803
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: third baseline and switching the glove on and off. So

804
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time doing it right up

805
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: until you know, my last days in the major leagues.

806
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: And honestly, I you know, I was proud of my fielding.

807
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: I felt like I deserved, you know, I felt like

808
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: I had earned some recognition for fielding because of all

809
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: the hard work.

810
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: In eighty nine, he got called up to the big club,

811
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: right and you're playing for the California Angels at the

812
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: old Anaheim Stadium, which is a big, gigantic kind of

813
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: a model of What do you remember about your first

814
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: start in the bigs?

815
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: Not much, not much. It was such a blur. I

816
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: remember pitching against Mark Langston, who was one of the

817
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: best left handed pitchers in the major leagues at the

818
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: time and now a great friend of mine. We became

819
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: teammates later, But you know, I was drafted by the

820
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: Angels in nineteen eighty eight and I quit and played

821
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: in the Olympics. So I spent the entire summer playing

822
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: in the Olympics the previous year and we won we

823
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: want to go medal. I didn't play professional that season,

824
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: and then I went to spring training in eighty nine

825
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: and I made the team. I made the club out

826
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: of the out of spring training.

827
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Speaker 1: And how they tell you, by the way, how they

828
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: tell you, how did you find out you made the club?

829
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: They were my pitching coach, Marcel Latchman, who was a

830
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: great mentor and a hero to me to this day.

831
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 3: We were at the Gene Autry Hotel in Palm Springs.

832
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Back then, the Angels spent part of spring training in

833
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: Palm spring and we were just about ready to break camp.

834
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: I thought I was heading from Midland, Texas to Double A,

835
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: and he pulled me aside and said, hey, we're gonna

836
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 3: You're coming with us. You're coming with the big club

837
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: back to Anaheim, and you're going to be our starter. So,

838
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: you know, pretty exciting. So that's why I don't remember

839
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: much of that first game, because things were just moving

840
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: so fast and I was, you know, I was just

841
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: trying to adjust, trying to recalibrate the idea of going

842
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: from amateur baseball to professional baseball.

843
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: When did you feel like I can do this? You know,

844
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: because your your whole life. You know, it's very understandable, reasonable,

845
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: But people just looked at you and said, there's no way,

846
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't There's just no way. When did you

847
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: feel like I can do this?

848
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: You know? I felt like playing on the in the

849
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: USA team. I played two summers with the USA team,

850
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: one in the PanAm Games and the second following year

851
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: after my junior year in college, I played in the

852
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: Olympic team. And I was playing with guys, you know,

853
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: Robin Ventura, Tino Martinez, Ben McDonald, Charlie. You know, we

854
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 3: were playing. I was playing first.

855
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: Rack Mark McGuire was on that team, right, wasn't he?

856
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: No, McGuire was nineteen eighty four. I was nineteen eighty eight.

857
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Soul Korea. That's right, eighty He was on

858
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the eighty four team that never played. It was eight

859
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: no eighty eighteen. Wait, didn't you get which was the

860
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: year that they didn't go anyuys, we didn't go. I

861
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: guess eighty. We didn't go eighty. We didn't go.

862
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah. And then so you know,

863
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: I was playing We were playing the Cuban team, you know,

864
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: who were you know, in their late twenties thirties, you know,

865
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: hitting with Eastern bats and going up in incredible competition.

866
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: And I beg you know, I was a big part

867
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: of the rotation on that team. And so it was

868
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: playing with those first round draft picks. It was playing

869
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: with those guys and holding my own that I finally

870
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: started to believe that maybe I could play professionally and

871
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, and kind of fit in with that potential.

872
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so your first win, just so you know, was

873
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: against the Orioles. Is your third start right right right?

874
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: And it was it was at the Big A. And

875
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: here's the big thing. I don't know if you know,

876
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: this game duration two hours and thirty nine minutes. It

877
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: wasn't just that you were awesome and that you you

878
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: had this amazing ability to field and ultimately threw a

879
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: no hitter at ninety three. It was that you were

880
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: You weren't wiping the sweat, taking a trip around the mountain.

881
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: You're just in there doing your job and getting the

882
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: heck out. I mean two hours and thirty nine minutes.

883
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: That's the NV even of teams. Now with the pitch clock, it.

884
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: Was different back then. You know, it was you know,

885
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: you moved fast, you got the ball, you got it

886
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: out of your hand, and you get up and you

887
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: did it again. And I'm a big fan of the

888
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: pitch clock. I think it pulled the game back in

889
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: that direction. It's so much easier to watch when the

890
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: game moves quickly.

891
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: The no hitter, you know, it's it's interesting when I

892
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: was watching the documentary right, and the no hitter is

893
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: like the culminating moment. I guess for so many people.

894
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel that way for you.

895
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: For me, it was more just your rookie year and

896
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: watching you and you kind of took over the league

897
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: and everybody was paying attention. But the no hitter is

898
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: interesting because I'm trying to figure out what you were thinking, because, uh,

899
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: have you ever seen the movie Let's sake, Kevin Costner Baseball,

900
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 1: not Bull Durham, the game, Yeah, for love of the game, right,

901
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: where he's got all this other stuff on in his life,

902
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: and then for that three out he's having all these flashbacks.

903
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: Do you remember what was going on in your in

904
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: your brain Yankee Stadium that day?

905
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: You know, that is one of my favorite baseball movies

906
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: and in the book by Michael Shara was also terrific

907
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 3: because it captured the stops and starts of a game.

908
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 3: You know, it's I mean it pitching is. You're out there,

909
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 3: You're in this rush, You're in this moment. You're pitching,

910
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: you're strategizing, you're throwing, and then then you have everything

911
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: stops and you come in and you sit in the

912
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: dugout and the you know, what goes through your mind

913
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: can have everything to do with the game and it

914
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: can have nothing to do with the game. And that

915
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: movie captured that perfectly, you know, just sitting there and

916
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: that no hitter, you know how it goes your teammates

917
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 3: quit talking to you. That adds a different dynamic that

918
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, the mood and the stadium changes, you know,

919
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: so your mind is just kind of running in all

920
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: these different directions. And I remember you're very observant those

921
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: times in between the in a as much as I

922
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 3: remember being out on the mound that day. Excitement.

923
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, how do you want people to describe your career.

924
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: That's a good question, you know. I you know the documentary,

925
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you bringing it up. Obviously, I was

926
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: born missing my right hand, and for a long time, Doug,

927
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: I fought against that and I didn't want the label,

928
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: you know. I didn't want the first perception of me

929
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: to be what people thought of me or what I

930
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 3: could do. But I think the documentary in some ways

931
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: captures the journey of coming to terms with my hand,

932
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: you know, because I met so many kids, so many

933
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: families like me, similar to me, like my parents, and

934
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: there was a time when I didn't want to be

935
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: known for that. But I had to embrace that, you know,

936
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: I had to come I had to say, yes, this

937
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: is who I am, and I wouldn't have done the

938
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 3: things that I did had I been born differently. I

939
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: believe that deeply, and so now for me, I want

940
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: to I don't mind being remembered for having done things differently.

941
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 7: You know.

942
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 3: I know it's who I am, and I know it

943
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 3: pushed me in ways I never would have been pushed before,

944
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: and later in life. I'm proud of it, and I'm

945
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: not you know, I don't shy away from a label

946
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: that I once wasn't you know, didn't always embrace.

947
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: Well, I can only tell you this as a young

948
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: athlete that was born with all my working limbs, it

949
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: was still inspirational for me. Like I think, I'm sure

950
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: anyone you met who needed a prosthesis, you know, you

951
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: were inspirational. But for anybody else, you're like, hey, if

952
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: Jim Abbott can overcome what he was born with, you

953
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: con depth, right, So it's amazing that. I'm sure so

954
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: many people think, wait, such an inspiration is so many? No, No,

955
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: you were actually inspiration to all young athletes, especially in

956
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: southern California. And I think also part of it was

957
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: you never talked about it. It wasn't. You did kind

958
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: of shy away from it, and so it made it

959
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: like it it's not even part of his thought process.

960
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't think this is anything special. So, yeah,

961
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: we should be able to achieve way more considering what

962
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: we were born with. Does that make sense?

963
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? I believe that, you know, you know, it cracks

964
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: me up as I meet people, and I have met

965
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 3: people along the way, kids, boys, and they'll say hey,

966
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, and they have two hands, you know, and

967
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: they play baseball and arm away. And I hear all

968
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 3: the times say we used to be on the street,

969
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: we would switch the glove on and off.

970
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 8: Sure everybody, and I say, well, why do you do that?

971
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: It's probably harder, but who knows. You know that it's

972
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: the way I was born. It's all I ever knew,

973
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: and so you know, I do think it's a testament

974
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: to making the most. And listen, a lot of people

975
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: have it a lot worse than me.

976
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: I know that.

977
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: It's up to us to make the most of what

978
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: we've been given. And it doesn't matter if you're the

979
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: most talented person on a team or the least. You

980
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 3: know that the effort is the measurement.

981
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: Could agree with you more, well, I just I just

982
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: want to tell you an inspiration to me and I

983
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: love watching watching the documentary, and as soon as it

984
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: came out, I talked to Jason and I said, Jason,

985
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: can we have Jim Abata? And he's like why. I

986
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: was like, why not, and he's like, that's a very

987
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: good point. It's a very very good point. I encourage

988
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: people to watch it and to fall in love with

989
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: your story and Jim, it's just an honor to catch

990
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: up with you. Thank you so much for your time.

991
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: Thanks dog, take care man