Speaker 1: I never I've never had pink Ey, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a rite of passage for
Speaker 1: most children at some point.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've had pink guy either. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: I did. When I was a kid. I was getting
Speaker 2: real up in people's asses with my eyes. You know. Look,
Speaker 2: I never had lice up there. But Miles, you don't
Speaker 2: have lice exactly, but mice there. You're like, You're like, Jack,
Speaker 2: I got lice right now, But.
Speaker 1: Miles, you don't have hair not up here.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh no, And that's the red band head and
Speaker 2: shoulder is commercial. But Troy Paula Malu, Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: don't see flakes. I'm not talking about up here, Honey.
Speaker 2: I love that Troy pal Malu is still a spokes
Speaker 2: person the Beautiful. Yeah, he does have just some of
Speaker 2: the most gorgeous locks. Man, if only I were a Polynesian.
Speaker 2: I think that every day, my week, but my bald
Speaker 2: head all solved if I were tongin. Every day we
Speaker 2: come on here, you know that monologue and Goodwill hunting
Speaker 2: where he's like every day when I come to pick
Speaker 2: you up, I fucking hope you're not there, bro. I
Speaker 2: have the sten to every day we sign onto this podcast.
Speaker 2: I hope you're Polynesian. Yeah, thank you, thank you, Hello
Speaker 2: the Internet, and welcome to season three point fifty nine,
Speaker 2: episode four of Daily's I Guys Say, production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 2: into America's share consciousness. We are America's only undecided podcast.
Speaker 2: We're just out here still trying to make up our mind.
Speaker 2: Which one which side on? Flagrant? On the Flagrant pod. Dude,
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, bro, he's so chill. Yeah, what a podcast, guess. Anyways,
Speaker 2: it's Thursday, Yeah, October tenth ten, two four, good buddy.
Speaker 2: A lot of cake based things. It's angel Food Cake Day,
Speaker 2: It's National Cake Decorating Day. And that's about it for cakes.
Speaker 2: Then you got National metric play first of all, National
Speaker 2: Metric Day.
Speaker 1: That can't be for us because we are hostile towards
Speaker 1: the metric system in this in this household. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like to pretend I treat the metric system like
Speaker 1: a book I've never read.
Speaker 2: And I go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, about
Speaker 2: four meters yeah, four km yeah yeah, that's a good
Speaker 2: size for a car. Wait, this is a good one.
Speaker 2: National walk to a park day, because you're talking about walking,
Speaker 2: getting out there, being amongst nature, and we have look
Speaker 2: in La we have plenty of places you can go
Speaker 2: to do that kind of thing. And I'm sure just
Speaker 2: keep your fun can head on a swivel with these
Speaker 2: drivers is a hey, yeah, as you're walking. As you're walking,
Speaker 2: keep your eyes, cut off your eyelids. To quote Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 2: the football coach, cut off your eyelids and keep your
Speaker 2: head on this. Keep your head on a swivel, exactly.
Speaker 2: But enjoy, enjoy yourself, enjoy the nature. But it's fucking
Speaker 2: mad max out there man. Anyways. My name's Jack O'Brien aka.
Speaker 2: I was down at the cafe with one of my
Speaker 2: kids when the tune they played had him dancing a jig.
Speaker 2: I should end the song to see what it was,
Speaker 2: but I wish I had intended to all because it's
Speaker 2: neck on yacht. It was the song neck on yacht,
Speaker 2: not neack on yacht. It's about getting neck on a yacht.
Speaker 2: It's neck on yacht a lot dirtier than I thought.
Speaker 2: It's not on a yacht. The first words are I'm
Speaker 2: getting neck on a yacht. Wow. That one curtisy Van prove.
Speaker 2: Even then, I kept saying neck on yacht. It's neck
Speaker 2: on a yacht. I thought it was neck on yacht,
Speaker 2: which I thought just meant like I'm wearing a cool
Speaker 2: chain or No, it's neck on a yacht. And the
Speaker 2: first words are I'm getting neck on a yacht. Yeah,
Speaker 2: neck on a yacht.
Speaker 1: Four, my six year old, neck on yacht sounds like
Speaker 1: the title of like an abstract painting.
Speaker 2: You're like, this is neck on yacht.
Speaker 1: It was in nineteen seventy four, and we will start
Speaker 1: the bidding at four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Twas not that anyways. Shout out to Gunna, I think,
Speaker 2: and my six year old who likes Gunna in an
Speaker 2: abstract sense, although I don't think he knows what neck
Speaker 2: on a yacht means. I'm thrilled to be joined as
Speaker 2: always by my co host, mister Miles Grass. This Miles
Speaker 2: Gray aka my podcast Acid. Don't my podcast ascid, don't
Speaker 2: my podcast ascid, don't have pass? They call me ten
Speaker 2: din back, Okay.
Speaker 3: Shout out to el Sion Salad, just talking about you know,
Speaker 3: this senatory lifestyle of podcasting has caused I would call
Speaker 3: it gluteo atrophy, perhaps that I'm currently combating with daily
Speaker 3: bike riding, squats, wall sits and the like.
Speaker 1: And we did I think Jack, you said it was
Speaker 1: like I just had a long achilles tend.
Speaker 2: Just goes from my heel all the way up to
Speaker 2: your Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tended back, but it's but it's sending back,
Speaker 1: but the booty is trending back.
Speaker 2: So don't worry.
Speaker 1: I will keep you on when it's when it's photo worthy,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: I will post, I will post. And I've been talking
Speaker 2: about this since I went to the louver that I
Speaker 2: used to people used to have asses. According to sculptures
Speaker 2: from the ancient Greeks, people had asses, and that we
Speaker 2: can only dream of Juesdays. Yeah, Juicius Maximus. Anyways, Miles,
Speaker 2: we are thrilled to be joined once again by a comedian,
Speaker 2: a New York Times best selling author and relationship expert
Speaker 2: with a master's in psychology. No big deal. Her new
Speaker 2: book is I Do I Think Conversations about Modern Marriage?
Speaker 2: You know her from just between Us. It's the brilliant
Speaker 2: and talented Alison Erasca. Oh thanks for coming on. I
Speaker 2: feel like the last couple of times I've missed you
Speaker 2: when we've had a guest host. Yeah, due to I
Speaker 2: think maybe my marriage or child.
Speaker 4: I took it personally either way, I know, I know, yeah,
Speaker 4: before this it was very contentious.
Speaker 2: When I said it on, You're like.
Speaker 5: Oh, well, no Joy, all right, oh you got fired
Speaker 5: from your shift at the asshole Factory.
Speaker 2: I was doing stuff, Allison. No, thanks for coming on,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad we get to do this face to face.
Speaker 2: And I think since the last time face to face
Speaker 2: on zoom, I think since the last time you were
Speaker 2: on the New York Times best selling might be and
Speaker 2: also the Masters in Psychology, I'm.
Speaker 4: Writing that, I'm writing the New York Times bestseller. I'm
Speaker 4: writing that from a while ago. But I'm gonna write
Speaker 4: it right into my grave because you say it forever.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: The masters is you? Yes, I graduated last August.
Speaker 2: Congratulation, Thank you. What's that you are a master of psychology?
Speaker 2: What a great thing to be a master of? Well?
Speaker 4: It isn'tntil people want you to fix all their problems.
Speaker 2: For you, you know, right, Yeah, a couple of stories.
Speaker 4: The problem is that I then want to do it,
Speaker 4: even though in my head I'm going this is not ethical.
Speaker 4: You're not a licensed therapist.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to do this.
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, yeah, here's exactly.
Speaker 2: What you should do, right, right.
Speaker 1: I was just talking about like how it's underrated, how
Speaker 1: people like how the comic book characters that appeal to
Speaker 1: you just kind of reveal a lot about what's going
Speaker 1: on inside of you. And I was like, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: send you a list of comic book characters. You can
Speaker 1: kind of help me work through those, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all toxic masculinity. But yeah, thanks, Yeah, I'm rigid.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's my problem. Oh man, how long?
Speaker 2: What's what's that process like of.
Speaker 1: Being like, you know what, I'm gonna go get my
Speaker 1: master's in psychology, like after you've had like a career
Speaker 1: and done so many things.
Speaker 4: Well, part of it was the panic of being in
Speaker 4: the entertainment industry, and so I originally went back because
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know if this is sustainable.
Speaker 4: I should get a license to be a therapist, you know,
Speaker 4: as a backup plan, right. But then during the process
Speaker 4: of getting the degree, I had a few successes and
Speaker 4: I felt more secure in my writing career, and I
Speaker 4: also just realized that being like a licensed therapist didn't
Speaker 4: really jive with who I am, because you're just supposed
Speaker 4: to not really you know, reveal every intimate detail about
Speaker 4: yourself and have hundreds of hours of you talking about
Speaker 4: everything on the internet for your future clients to be
Speaker 4: able to watch, right, Right, So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that doesn't quite make sense for me to do it
Speaker 4: in that capacity, but I'm still so interested in this,
Speaker 4: and I still really care a lot about mental health
Speaker 4: advocacy and about writing about mental health, and so I
Speaker 4: sort of shifted from the mindset of like one on
Speaker 4: one work and instead wanting to be able to sort
Speaker 4: of do it from like a larger perspective, like a
Speaker 4: you know, like writing and like sharing us as sort
Speaker 4: of like the funnel from experts who do have that
Speaker 4: license to people who maybe can't access therapy, don't know
Speaker 4: about therapy, aren't interested, or just like can't afford it,
Speaker 4: or just supplemental for people that are already in therapy.
Speaker 4: And so it took me three and a half years
Speaker 4: because I did it pretty slowly, and I also switched
Speaker 4: degrees in the middle from clinical psychology to just psychology, right,
Speaker 4: So I took a ton of classes, I did not
Speaker 4: need to take Those are the ones where I actually
Speaker 4: learned stuff. So I'm like when they say education for
Speaker 4: the sake of education, in this case, that did work
Speaker 4: out for me, right, But I can't be happier not
Speaker 4: to be in school anymore. I don't like it. It's
Speaker 4: not fun for me.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like especially in La right, with
Speaker 2: a lot of with the industry being cooked in the
Speaker 2: manner that it is at the moment, I know it's
Speaker 2: it's dying. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: I know a few people who are like, I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a lawyer now.
Speaker 2: We're starting to have to listen to our parents were
Speaker 2: like yeah, okay, And.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I guess I did. I guess I
Speaker 1: did get this degree so I could teach history, so
Speaker 1: all right, yeah yeah, show up at my old high school.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh my god, dude, okay.
Speaker 4: Wild is like, you can't even get the jobs that
Speaker 4: Like a few years ago, people were like, oh, I
Speaker 4: guess I'll go do this. Now they're like, no, no,
Speaker 4: you don't have five years of relevant experience to this
Speaker 4: exact job, so we're not hiring you.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all right, Allison, We're going to get to
Speaker 2: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 2: a couple of the things we're talking about today. We've
Speaker 2: got a powerful new pull from out of the Trump
Speaker 2: world world that involves airplane napkins for some reason. So
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that because I don't I don't like
Speaker 2: this news at all. Things are things are looking grim
Speaker 2: for the wild Yeah, huge, if true. We're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about the crypto industry and just generally who is funding,
Speaker 2: who is donating to politics. I feel like it's been
Speaker 2: a pretty good radar of like what the world is
Speaker 2: going to look like years into the future if you
Speaker 2: just look at who is donating hundreds of millions of
Speaker 2: dollars to politicians. And so we're gon we're gonna look
Speaker 2: at who's donating in this upcoming to this upcoming election.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Wimbledon has now accepted AI. They're accepting
Speaker 2: the future. They're going to be using the electronic line
Speaker 2: judges for the Wimbledon tennis tournament Wimbledon and it's property. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's like kind of an interesting ultier your motive behind
Speaker 2: them doing that? That is a little troubling and sinister.
Speaker 2: All of that plenty more. But first, Alison, We do
Speaker 2: like to ask our guest what is something from your
Speaker 2: search history?
Speaker 4: So I'm currently working on a like a short form
Speaker 4: piece for Cosmo UK, and so my history right now
Speaker 4: is just like divorce rates in Wales. Boo, how high
Speaker 4: is Boomer divorce rates? Just like me, desperately trying to
Speaker 4: gather information about how frequently people are getting divorced.
Speaker 2: How the marriages are going in Wales. Yeah, how are
Speaker 2: the Welsh doing in the marriage?
Speaker 4: Well, UK and Wales, the overall divorce rate is down,
Speaker 4: but the divorce rate among people sixty and up is
Speaker 4: is has increased.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's what I'm hearing, like kind of across
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that kind of like with people just kind
Speaker 1: of just being like, I don't need to stick around
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 4: Well, Boomers have like the highest divorce rate, like of
Speaker 4: any general and I think it's because a lot of
Speaker 4: them got married, because I think they had to get married,
Speaker 4: and now they're like, oh, actually I don't need this
Speaker 4: anymore and I'm miserable, So right right.
Speaker 2: Right, They they like stay together for the kids and
Speaker 2: then are all getting divorced once the kids are in college.
Speaker 4: Essentially, Is that kind of every couple is different. But
Speaker 4: I think that that now that society just accepts divorce, right,
Speaker 4: then it's just like more of a possibility for people
Speaker 4: without it feeling like, you know, life or death to
Speaker 4: have to ent.
Speaker 1: Your marriage right right, And I feel like divorce him
Speaker 1: is like the thing a reply you see constantly on
Speaker 1: the internet nowadays too.
Speaker 4: It's just like often warranted.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, of course, of course, yeah, because I think
Speaker 6: a lot of times people it's weird when you see
Speaker 6: people asking for advice on the internet and they're describing
Speaker 6: like such function situation, yeah, and they're like I just
Speaker 6: don't know what to do, and you're like, oh, oh,
Speaker 6: please advocate for yourself, and mentioned this.
Speaker 2: To anyone before. But it's like really particular about like
Speaker 2: dressing me every morning, right right. It's like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 2: I can't be trusted with using open flames in our kitchen.
Speaker 2: It's just very it's very hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah that that to be fair. My my husband will
Speaker 4: probably say I couldn't be trusted with that either.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I set the microwave on fire a bit.
Speaker 2: And go, wow, that put a chip bag in, like
Speaker 2: a metallic chip bag in there that actually started on fire.
Speaker 2: I seen it. I've like fucked up and like left
Speaker 2: something metallic in there long enough for sparks to start. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've never like I've never known it to be like
Speaker 2: that flammable.
Speaker 4: Well, my mistake was I got away with it once.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I like used aluminum oil once or
Speaker 4: something and it was fine. And then I was like
Speaker 4: everyone's been lying. I did it the second time and
Speaker 4: it was a full fire.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: What's wild about having anxiety, like an anxiety disorder since
Speaker 4: I was like four years old, is that I'm incredible
Speaker 4: in a crisis. Like everything has prepared me for that
Speaker 4: to happen. So like the microwave caught a fire and
Speaker 4: I was like, ah, yes, and I just like very
Speaker 4: calmly put it out and had almost no reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like one of those like comic book characters
Speaker 1: who's like living every single timeline at once. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I know this outcome already, I've lived it.
Speaker 4: But then if I'm running late to a meeting, I
Speaker 4: like have a heart attack.
Speaker 2: So right this one. Yeah, that was the thing. As
Speaker 2: kids we used to do take Rice Krispy treats. Remember
Speaker 2: the rice Krispy treats are like blue metallic wrapper. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you put them in the microwave and then
Speaker 2: they'd shrink if the yeah, kids don't do this, get warning,
Speaker 2: do not do this. And this was stupid nineties kids shit.
Speaker 2: And you could do that with like the little snack
Speaker 2: chip bags, like the ones you put in your lunch bag,
Speaker 2: like Dorito's. You could they would shrink down in size
Speaker 2: for like just the little teensiest bit of microwave energy. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: to what end smiled.
Speaker 4: Just to see that happen was exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'd be like, look, it's all tiny,
Speaker 2: like it would just shrink up. And then you'd be
Speaker 2: like it's all hard as a rock and tiny.
Speaker 1: And then you would, I don't know, just bring it
Speaker 1: to school and just choke it.
Speaker 2: But you know, no more snack or you did obviously
Speaker 2: it's what you did with the trash. You get to
Speaker 2: have fun with the trag. You don't even think.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, that's interesting to me.
Speaker 2: No, it was just shrinking the wrapper.
Speaker 4: Now everything got shrunk and you made like.
Speaker 2: Doll yeah right right right, I'm like rick moranas and
Speaker 2: honey drunk or some sh and then you can like
Speaker 2: keep it with you on like long flights or something
Speaker 2: you have like dehydrated tiny snacks.
Speaker 1: I've created the most colorically dense snack on your.
Speaker 2: I mean marshmallows. You put a marshmallow in the microwave,
Speaker 2: that motherfucker blows up. Like That's the closest I've ever
Speaker 2: felt to the power of a moranas is like you
Speaker 2: put you put a marshall and that that thing will
Speaker 2: get big on you, and that thing will get big
Speaker 2: on you, that thing will get that thing will blow
Speaker 2: up like a tick on you. There. Yeah. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been a dad for too long. What is something you
Speaker 2: think is underrated?
Speaker 4: I think something that's really underrated is reading a book
Speaker 4: right before you go to bed. This has been a
Speaker 4: part of my routine, I think maybe since I could read,
Speaker 4: and it's really a wonderful way to fall asleep because
Speaker 4: I think a lot of us are on our phones,
Speaker 4: and I definitely have my phone time before my kindle time.
Speaker 4: But something about reading like a book and not be
Speaker 4: not scrolling it kind of like it sets us time
Speaker 4: for you every day that you're reading, because I know
Speaker 4: so many people who like want to read, but then
Speaker 4: are like, but when do I do it? But if
Speaker 4: you have, as we call it in my home, reading time,
Speaker 4: oh or bed everywhere every day?
Speaker 2: Can I use that?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: It would mean a lot of such trademark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, reading time, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reading time? Is it just like is it more
Speaker 2: like because I get obviously like the the scroll, it
Speaker 2: just kind of gets your mind active in ways.
Speaker 1: It's not great before bed. The light cannot be great
Speaker 1: like in your circadian rhythms, but it is also like
Speaker 1: it's probably you might do like you're more maybe aware
Speaker 1: like as you doze when you read, like oh oh
Speaker 1: I'm dozing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it kind of like I mean, obviously if
Speaker 4: you're reading something that's like so gripping, but even if
Speaker 4: you're reading a book you like, it can't kind of
Speaker 4: like help you fall into sleep and like get tired.
Speaker 4: And then you also just know that like every day
Speaker 4: you're reading at least a little bit, which is nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Falling into sleep is a nice way
Speaker 2: to describe it as opposed to falling asleep. Falling into sleep,
Speaker 2: I don't fall asleep. I tread water until I sink
Speaker 2: to quote, yeah, I think Billy would. So you said
Speaker 2: you're not scrolling, But how do you get to the
Speaker 2: next part of the book. It's been a while since
Speaker 2: I've read a book.
Speaker 4: But is it okay? It's a.
Speaker 2: It's a.
Speaker 4: Were you like it's a it's a left to right
Speaker 4: instead of it up to down. Oh okay, okay, in
Speaker 4: a way, I am still scrolling, but the interface of
Speaker 4: a kindle doesn't have that bad light the same like
Speaker 4: whatever it's called.
Speaker 2: Blue written a book to my kid and he kept
Speaker 2: trying to scroll to the next page. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's the thing somebody would make up for Twitter kept
Speaker 2: trying to pinch and zoom in on the word. He
Speaker 2: couldn't understand. It's not your iPad. What is something that
Speaker 2: you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: I think independence is overrated. I'm like really anti being
Speaker 4: independent these days. I I don't think you should be
Speaker 4: co dependent, but I think there's a sweet spot called interdependence,
Speaker 4: where like you let your self depend on other people
Speaker 4: they depend on you, but you also go out and
Speaker 4: have your own life. And I think that, like, especially
Speaker 4: American culture is just like no, you must be able
Speaker 4: to do everything on your own, and that's just like
Speaker 4: not not nice and often not feasible. So I'm anti.
Speaker 2: Independence, sure sure, sure not. According to this little declaration
Speaker 2: of independence that I keep on me at all times,
Speaker 2: we need a declaration of interdependence. If interdependence yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: belong to a club. Why they have friends? Yeah, you
Speaker 2: just have.
Speaker 1: We just have trouble asking for help, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's like where the independence mindset comes in.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't need help.
Speaker 2: I can do this.
Speaker 1: Where that's to your point, Like, that's the most fulfilling
Speaker 1: part of having relationships with people is that you can
Speaker 1: be like I need help, and then you have people
Speaker 1: like Hi, can I help you? And you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is cool. I don't have to bootstrap
Speaker 1: my way out of this narrobleson.
Speaker 2: When that person shows up. I'm just smoking a cigarette
Speaker 2: sand the person next to me. Who's this guy who's
Speaker 2: beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it, creep? I
Speaker 2: need help, man, I help you get the fuck out
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here. WHOA look at this creep?
Speaker 2: What do you think I mean? Like?
Speaker 1: Are is that sort of like the main like or
Speaker 1: how how do you sort of make sense of your
Speaker 1: of embracing interdependence versus independence?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, it's that balance of like actually accepting
Speaker 4: the help and then also like being comfortable relying on
Speaker 4: on somebody. Right, So, as we talked about before we
Speaker 4: started recording, my mom passed away like two and a
Speaker 4: half weeks ago, and it was horrible, and she died
Speaker 4: from a very rare, awful disease called c JD. But
Speaker 4: like so many people showed up for us and helped,
Speaker 4: and like my sister's friends were like taking care of
Speaker 4: her children, like my friends were like doing stuff for
Speaker 4: me in Los Angeles. Like it was just like a
Speaker 4: period of time where like we just like actively needed
Speaker 4: help and then to like realize that people not only
Speaker 4: could do that, but like wanted to do that. There
Speaker 4: were even times were like I didn't necessarily need someone
Speaker 4: to do something, but I could tell that they would
Speaker 4: just want to do Yeah. Yeah, Like you.
Speaker 2: Have garbage you need taken out, I'll fucking come throw
Speaker 2: your garbage out and bring some whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like literally yeah, And so I think it just
Speaker 4: like really, I mean, it was something I'd obviously already
Speaker 4: been thinking a lot about, you know, having this whole
Speaker 4: book on marriage coming out, and been researching, you know,
Speaker 4: marriage for the last few years. But just just like, really,
Speaker 4: you know solidified for me that like, none of this
Speaker 4: is really worth it if we don't have people in
Speaker 4: our lives that we like, care about and connect with
Speaker 4: and show up for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at a like Zeitgey's news level, I mean,
Speaker 2: as we're recording this, Hurricane Milton is a few hours
Speaker 2: away from making landfall. But I mean we talked about
Speaker 2: yesterday that Wow, the mainstream media wants to focus on,
Speaker 2: you know, looting and acts of violence that happened in
Speaker 2: the wake of these hurricanes. Like really the overwhelming account
Speaker 2: that you get from these sorts of disasters is like
Speaker 2: other people helping one another. But like you said, like
Speaker 2: we're in a disaster and a really difficult moment, like
Speaker 2: people show up for one another. It's just like when
Speaker 2: it's at this level of like abstraction of you know, institutions,
Speaker 2: that things start to get fucked up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and just like with the way society is built,
Speaker 4: like you can't just like go get a regular job
Speaker 4: and then buy yourself the house the way that you
Speaker 4: used to and or like that some people were able to,
Speaker 4: and so now there's this like I don't know, there's
Speaker 4: just like this weirdness around like depending on your parents
Speaker 4: or depending on like your extended family, but you have
Speaker 4: to like a lot of times, like that's the best option.
Speaker 4: And I think that like we've built so much guilt
Speaker 4: around that when like, in reality, like it's like a
Speaker 4: privilege to be able to maybe depend on your parents,
Speaker 4: even though you grew up thinking by thirty five, I
Speaker 4: shouldn't have to anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for sure, Yeah, we need the system is fucked.
Speaker 2: We need the help, so take it. Yeah, people want
Speaker 2: to give it.
Speaker 1: If you can to give the help, if you can to, yes,
Speaker 1: if somebody is definitely willing to accept it, usually all right.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 2: back and we'll talk about somebody who took some help
Speaker 2: from her father in law. We'll be right back. And
Speaker 2: we're back. And this is the time of year where
Speaker 2: everybody there's a lot of nervous energy. People want to
Speaker 2: know what's going on with the election. This is when
Speaker 2: you start getting the stories about the store that sells
Speaker 2: merch from both Like I think it was like t
Speaker 2: shirts from both from both campaigns, and every year, whoever
Speaker 2: they sell the most of or like cups they sell,
Speaker 2: whoever they sell the most cups from ends up winning.
Speaker 2: Like people are just looking for any story that will
Speaker 2: tell them who's going to win the election, and the
Speaker 2: reality is absolutely nobody knows.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think, well, the thing is too
Speaker 7: there's also this thing that the right is doing in
Speaker 7: the build up to this election, right, there's like constant
Speaker 7: alarmism from con conservatives or it's like illegal voting, especially
Speaker 7: when you're looking at things like Mike Rogers, who's running
Speaker 7: for the Senate in Michigan. He may have illegally voted
Speaker 7: by claiming an address of like a place that was uninhabitable.
Speaker 7: That's another news story that you know will probably develop
Speaker 7: over you know, that coming weeks or not. But they're
Speaker 7: also like, you know, it's about seating this idea of
Speaker 7: the narrative that this this election has already been.
Speaker 1: Won by Republicans in their supporter's mind. So if they
Speaker 1: begin to contest things, they sort of the framing is
Speaker 1: there to be like what the fuck they stole it
Speaker 1: from us? But it's the anecdotal stuff that you hear
Speaker 1: a lot of, like like you're saying, Jack, like they'll
Speaker 1: be people like I was just with nine thousand black
Speaker 1: cops and they are all voting for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: They just told me this is going to be a
Speaker 2: huge win. I was with forty two cricket farmers and
Speaker 2: they said they they went from Biden to Trump. This
Speaker 2: thing's in the bag. Like, okay, I mean I did
Speaker 2: this the other day. I don't know if we ended
Speaker 2: up talking about it on Mike, but I talked to you,
Speaker 2: Miles where I was like, I just saw this TikTok. Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was interviewing people at an Arizona State Fair and
Speaker 2: everyone was saying Trump, We're fucked.
Speaker 1: I know, like, come on, it's over, men, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's fucked. So Laura Trump was recently on Laura Ingram Show,
Speaker 1: and if you know Lara Trump, she is the wife
Speaker 1: of Eric the Lesser, and she also got her hands
Speaker 1: dirty with a bit of anecdotal forecasting. And I just
Speaker 1: want to play this because this is a very this again.
Speaker 1: Oh man, hold on to your butts. If true, it's over.
Speaker 1: If true, pack your bag your escape plan. Yeah, please
Speaker 1: pack your bags up for Canadia.
Speaker 2: If true. So here she is talking about the secret
Speaker 2: sauce and the tea leaves she's been reading out there
Speaker 2: in America.
Speaker 8: No one buys that Kamala Harris has the capability to
Speaker 8: do that job. And polls like that I think are
Speaker 8: absolutely ridiculous. I get slipped beverage napkins every time I
Speaker 8: get on an airplane saying we can't wait to vote
Speaker 8: for Trump. Go Trump Trump twenty twenty four, or people
Speaker 8: just coming up to me these days were everywhere I
Speaker 8: go saying how excited they are to get out and
Speaker 8: vote and vote early when you go vote for Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow wow. Every time she boards a plane
Speaker 2: or sliding her airplane napkins just before they put the
Speaker 2: beverage on top of it.
Speaker 4: Here's where the story falls apart. Yeah, nobody carries pens anymore. No,
Speaker 4: no one has the ability to write on your napkin anymore.
Speaker 2: Why are they using the same communication method that people
Speaker 2: who are being held hostage used to alert authorities that
Speaker 2: like a refill? Help me? Also, every every plane you're on,
Speaker 2: like maybe because maybe because you're flying on private planes
Speaker 2: specifically chartered by the fucking campaign, Is that what you're
Speaker 2: Are you flying commercial all the time? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just from what I understand, I believe that they're
Speaker 1: flying on you know, campaign chartered aircraft but that's okay,
Speaker 1: that works too, and it is it is wild to think.
Speaker 1: It's like someone who would recognize you and would even
Speaker 1: want to get near you in public would also be
Speaker 1: a Republican, right, and.
Speaker 4: That you would let anyone get near you in public?
Speaker 2: That I also yeah, yeah, right right right?
Speaker 4: Hell did you ever? Are you guys? Nathan? For you fans?
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it? Love it?
Speaker 4: Can I figured because they like canon? But you know that,
Speaker 4: so we're here engineers that whole story that he can
Speaker 4: tell on late night shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he's
Speaker 4: not lying, Yeah, he's not lying, but he sets up
Speaker 4: this elaborate things so that you can say it. I
Speaker 4: feel like this is what they're doing. They're like hiring
Speaker 4: people to give them napkins saying they're voting for Trump.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that scenario though too. She's like she
Speaker 2: bored a plane. She's like, do you mind handing me
Speaker 2: these napkins? Take my drink? Order? What? Just please hand
Speaker 2: it to me. I'll give you five hundred bucks. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: here's your napkin? Miss Oh wow? Oh do you see this?
Speaker 2: It says we're voting early for Oh my god, bless
Speaker 2: your heart. So that happened, and I'm not lying. Is
Speaker 2: that a way that people communicate with each other, like sending,
Speaker 2: like in a way that isn't unless they're like in
Speaker 2: trouble of some sort. I mean that's like millennial gen X,
Speaker 2: Like that's school note passing was obviously a thing, like
Speaker 2: you know, you would write a long winded when you
Speaker 2: would just communicate in notes in school and you would
Speaker 2: fill out like a line sheet of paper front to
Speaker 2: back with like the thing is, man like I know
Speaker 2: you as I know you asked for a homecoming, but
Speaker 2: like the thing is like we have something going before
Speaker 2: you ask and like doing all this kind of weird
Speaker 2: shit that feels like that. Do kids do that? Do
Speaker 2: they do y'all? Do y'all pass notes? Still? Is that
Speaker 2: a thing?
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I mean, are they on their
Speaker 4: laptops and they can just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just like electronically text each other. Do Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm revealing my age? Okay, thank you?
Speaker 1: Pretty super producer Victor said, yeah, we texted, Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I was whatever that eleven Yeah when nine to eleven happened,
Speaker 1: I was a junior in high school. Okay, so hold that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that makes sense that makes sense. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: pen thing too, I mean, I guess you might have
Speaker 1: a pen. I'm always like forgetting to pack a pen.
Speaker 1: Whenever I travel, I always try to make sure have
Speaker 1: a pen.
Speaker 2: And it's international flights, I've like not had a pen
Speaker 2: and the flight attendance like don't have pens when you
Speaker 2: have to like fill out that form, Like.
Speaker 1: Right, they probably because they probably get stolen all the time.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, man, these motherfuckers stole on my pens.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? But again, anyone who recognizes
Speaker 2: her is probably like a fucking mont Blanc wielding Republican
Speaker 2: piece of shit who's you know. I can imagine that
Speaker 2: like one person per flight is on board. It is
Speaker 2: still kind of mind blowing. We'll get into this in
Speaker 2: like the political donations section. Well let's just move on
Speaker 2: to that. But it's wild, like one of the melon
Speaker 2: people is like full boat one hundred million dollar donation
Speaker 2: to Trump like that, it does seem like the rich
Speaker 2: have just openly declared war on all of us at
Speaker 2: this d Yeah, they're really the fucking worst.
Speaker 1: It's because they started moving at light speed during the
Speaker 1: pandemic with all that wealth, accumulation and now they're like, well,
Speaker 1: this party can't do not pump them breaks on this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like, you know what, what was it, like
Speaker 1: it went up eighty eight percent or something?
Speaker 2: Their wealth we talked about some just eighty eight percent.
Speaker 2: The yeah, billionaire wealth went up eighty eight percent in
Speaker 2: the past four years. Like hosts, everybody being like, this
Speaker 2: is this is an unbelievably huge problem. They have way
Speaker 2: too much money. Their wealth has gone up eighty eight percent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've just gotten Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: So like along with this, like right, huge amounts of
Speaker 1: money affecting political outcomes. Right now, Senate races are tightening
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio. And if things go the
Speaker 1: wrong way, uh, this would potentially give the Republicans a
Speaker 1: majority in the Senate they haven't had since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: And if Kamala ends up winning the White House, that
Speaker 1: would be disastrous for any kind of confirmation process of
Speaker 1: cabinet positions or judges, because at that point you don't
Speaker 1: really have control over it in terms of a Republican
Speaker 1: enter cabinet though, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, say, what do you think about that? I don't
Speaker 4: think anything good.
Speaker 2: I fucking hate it. Blowing it so hard, don't right crazy.
Speaker 4: I was so cocon utpilled like back in the summer,
Speaker 4: and now I'm just like, oh my god, please let
Speaker 4: this be overkilled.
Speaker 2: Look it was.
Speaker 1: It was a brat summer and now we're in the
Speaker 1: hangover fall and we're moving to the right in.
Speaker 4: Every rapidly, rapidly moving to the right.
Speaker 2: Just purely listening to the same Democratic strategists who have
Speaker 2: fucked the Democratic Party for the past, you know, don't
Speaker 2: get progressive.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting because it's like, in the moment she
Speaker 4: chose walls, it was like, and now I shall mess
Speaker 4: everything up.
Speaker 2: Everything else bad way, pretty good rollout, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: will continue to this. So anyway one race, I think
Speaker 2: that should be getting a lot of attention, and it is,
Speaker 2: I think purely because of the Senate math. But the
Speaker 2: I think is important is Shared Brown's reelection campaign in Ohio.
Speaker 2: So he is the chair of the Senate Banking Committee,
Speaker 2: and that's a very very powerful position when it comes
Speaker 2: to the financial sector. And he's been a vocal critic
Speaker 2: of crypto currencies and the need for regulation. And it
Speaker 2: is for this very reason that a crypto pack is
Speaker 2: spending forty million dollars to unseat him. Forty million dollars
Speaker 2: to unseat him.
Speaker 1: Fair shake, which is the industries like Crypto's super pack,
Speaker 1: they have raised just over two hundred million dollars this cycle.
Speaker 1: To put that into perspective, right, the next industry group
Speaker 1: that comes in second place in terms of money raised,
Speaker 1: that's coke industries, you know, we know them, the big government.
Speaker 1: They've raised a paltry twenty six million dollars for this cycle,
Speaker 1: and we're talking one hundred hundred from million from Crypto.
Speaker 1: And it's right now, Crypto is accounting for almost half
Speaker 1: of the corporate spending this election cycle. So they're tactic
Speaker 1: are just to carpet bomb the airwaves with ads. But
Speaker 1: in some races, like in Shared Brown's race, like it's
Speaker 1: just NonStop ads and they have nothing to do with Crypto.
Speaker 1: It's just they're just helping Marino, his opponent. They're just
Speaker 1: trying to help him win as much as possible. So
Speaker 1: aside from the airwaves stuff, sometimes they don't even have
Speaker 1: to spend money to get people to bend to their will.
Speaker 1: They'll just threaten to make it rain on a politician's
Speaker 1: opponent to get them in line. So the earlier this
Speaker 1: is from Slate quote. Earlier this year, Fairshake indicated it
Speaker 1: would enter the spending arena without announcing which candidate it
Speaker 1: would support. Soon after. This is like the in the
Speaker 1: Montana race. Soon after, vulnerable incumbent Democrat John Tester, who
Speaker 1: has criticized the industry in the past, voted to pass
Speaker 1: pro crypto legislation. So their big pet project here is
Speaker 1: to try and get this crypto friendly legislation passed that
Speaker 1: would in order to sort of gain legitimacy as a
Speaker 1: financial product and escape the oversight authority of the SEC.
Speaker 1: And this is again from the same Slight article. In
Speaker 1: forty two of the primary races where crypto backed super
Speaker 1: PACs intervened, the crypto sector one it's preferred outcome in
Speaker 1: thirty six, in just two cycles of spending, crypto corporations
Speaker 1: now ranked second in total election related spending and in
Speaker 1: the over the past fourteen years the entirety of the
Speaker 1: Citizens United Era. Okay, they've be just two cycles. It
Speaker 1: took them to fucking hit like just to get to
Speaker 1: second place. They quote they trail only fossil fuel corporations,
Speaker 1: which have spent one hundred and seventy six million over
Speaker 1: that same period. And it's not just Republicans that are benefiting.
Speaker 2: Democrats are also getting hit with cash in other races.
Speaker 1: If they've been friendly towards these kinds of bills, then
Speaker 1: they are being rewarded with financial support. But it's clear
Speaker 1: that Republicans are much more willing to help here, so
Speaker 1: therefore they're getting a larger share of these dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just all the future is so yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: if you want to see what the industry, what industries
Speaker 2: are going to run slash ruin the future, you just
Speaker 2: have to look at who is donating the most across
Speaker 2: the board, and the future is going to be so stupid.
Speaker 4: Like crypto, I just can't understand it. And at times
Speaker 4: I'm like, am I just like too old or or
Speaker 4: are stupid to just understand what the appeal of crypto is?
Speaker 4: But what if maybe I'm not and it just doesn't
Speaker 4: really make much sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think for those in the beginning,
Speaker 1: it was very idealistic. We're it's sort of like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a decentralized form of currency that can operate
Speaker 1: outside of these you know, like the World Bank and
Speaker 1: these forces of corruptive forces. And now if they're just
Speaker 1: becoming centralized entities, it's yeah, so that's gone.
Speaker 4: But I think the other they're still being influenced by,
Speaker 4: like the greater markets right right, and go up and
Speaker 4: down and up and down.
Speaker 1: And I think what's interesting here though, too, is because
Speaker 1: a lot of people have made money in cryptocurrencies, it's
Speaker 1: more people are trying to get in on it, and
Speaker 1: now they see it as a way to protect their investor.
Speaker 1: It's an investment. So now they're now motivated to also vote. Like,
Speaker 1: let me just play an ad. There's like a thing
Speaker 1: where they're there. They have like things like I'm a
Speaker 1: crypto voter, and that's kind of I'll just play this
Speaker 1: so you could understand. This is kind of the messaging
Speaker 1: to people to understand, to say, like, we also have
Speaker 1: numbers out there, and this is how we can sort
Speaker 1: of get them. We can turn that into votes in
Speaker 1: an election.
Speaker 9: To be an American is to embrace the innovation. And
Speaker 9: that's where blockchain and crypto come into play. Crypto equals innovation,
Speaker 9: innovation equals jobs. That's why I'm a crypto voter. Don't
Speaker 9: let anyone else decide your future. Make a plan to vote.
Speaker 1: That's from stand with crypto, which is another pack. But
Speaker 1: again and you and you see this with people that
Speaker 1: are invested in cryptocurrencies, to get this sort of legitimacy
Speaker 1: as a financial product would be huge for their investments.
Speaker 1: So now people are incentivized with their own investments to
Speaker 1: voter sor so it's it's a huge thing. That's why
Speaker 1: I think big tech is realizing they have a lot
Speaker 1: of numbers for people that are invested in their platforms
Speaker 1: or use their platforms that then they can you know,
Speaker 1: turn that into a formidable voting block. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: money being spent is just like will cause it would
Speaker 1: cause people's eyes to bleed twenty years ago even because yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like looking at it, like
Speaker 1: I've never seen people just put this much money towards
Speaker 1: just getting one bill passed. And you know, the like
Speaker 1: to your point, Jack, you can see that other industries
Speaker 1: are looking at im like, oh, you know, we used
Speaker 1: to just keep like friendly politicians there and give them
Speaker 1: sort of bills that they can vote on or whatever.
Speaker 1: But now just to go whole hog to say we
Speaker 1: need to get this one thing done and make everyone
Speaker 1: bend to our will just may become even more so
Speaker 1: than new normal. I think it was just happening at
Speaker 1: a smaller rate than what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now with Citizens United, it's just open robbery.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think another reason why people are always calling
Speaker 1: for election reforms with this kind of thing, because Yeah,
Speaker 1: it allows someone to just step in and say, I
Speaker 1: will spend forty million dollars to get to scare you.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to now play ball? And yeah, and
Speaker 1: it again seems to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Open Secrets did a dive into like who is
Speaker 2: donating to the Republicans and Democrats this time around? And
Speaker 2: like I said, one of the melon psions is donating
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars to Trump the which, by the way,
Speaker 2: like that that is a great example of like a
Speaker 2: thing where if you look at how money is being spent,
Speaker 2: you can see the future, Like the money that was
Speaker 2: spent by these dynastics, like these families with dynastic fortunes
Speaker 2: like the Melons and the Getty's and all those people.
Speaker 2: Like since the late seventies, they've just been spending, spending,
Speaker 2: spending in politics, and the rate of that those types
Speaker 2: of people have been taxed has gone way way down
Speaker 2: to like now, the average tax rate of the top
Speaker 2: point zero one percent has fallen by more than half
Speaker 2: to about thirty percent, while rates for the bottom ninety
Speaker 2: percent of people have climbed slightly. So they are getting
Speaker 2: better and better deals and the rest of the world
Speaker 2: is getting fucked, and so that it makes sense that
Speaker 2: that these people are continuing to spend and get trying
Speaker 2: to it's an investment that actually gets you in return.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I can't even imagine the need for
Speaker 4: like more than one hundred million dollars, right, there is none.
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, I'm not above a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4: I'd love it, I welcome it, But at that point
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, cool, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You won't hear from me anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm fine, right, I'm chilling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will.
Speaker 1: Lay down for a long time. That's that's probably what
Speaker 1: I'll do. Yeah, I mean, I think that's why it's
Speaker 1: always just you know, like when you get like these
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in wealth, you're just like this, there's
Speaker 1: this isn't sustainable because if it's all about this like
Speaker 1: explosive growth that that that comes from somewhere else, that
Speaker 1: comes out of other people's pockets, or rather the inability
Speaker 1: of other people to fill their own, you know, bank
Speaker 1: accounts with actual money that is needed.
Speaker 4: So I feel like that's the disconnect is people are like, well,
Speaker 4: why shouldn't people be allowed to make a lot of money,
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, they are, but there's no way
Speaker 4: to make that much money and have been ethical throughout
Speaker 4: the whole process and have like, had every single person
Speaker 4: working for you been paid fairly and you still have
Speaker 4: that much money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's just a Lena Gomez and she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk about being a billionaire. That's just
Speaker 2: still so funny to me. She's like, I'd rather not
Speaker 2: talk about money and being a billionaire. Please just.
Speaker 4: Give it away and then you won't have to talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: That's the nine hundred million dollars of it, and we'd
Speaker 2: be fine with you. The good will these fuckers would
Speaker 2: generate from just being like, you know what, dude, I
Speaker 2: only need Like I fuck, I don't even mean like
Speaker 2: I think I just need eighty million for the rest
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 1: I'm seventy years old. I think I'll be fine with
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars for the rest of it. I'm giving
Speaker 1: the rest away. The people would be erecting fucking statues,
Speaker 1: yeah for that kind of thing. But no, it's more
Speaker 1: just like how do we protect this, how do we
Speaker 1: create more loopholes to keep our wealth? And how do
Speaker 1: we again cozy up to people that are fine watching
Speaker 1: everything fall apart, but hey, we get to keep our money.
Speaker 2: Like Open Secrets has like the just these industry breakdowns
Speaker 2: and like air transport donated ten point five million dollars
Speaker 2: to Trump, like real estate ten point four million. But
Speaker 2: I just like I can't, I can't believe that it's
Speaker 2: now just like is Delta Airlines? Like I didn't dig
Speaker 2: in deeper, but like, are these like major corporations just
Speaker 2: like donating. Yeah, that's like Boeing.
Speaker 1: Boeing is the large like in that category. Because then
Speaker 1: within transport there's air transport, there's also airlines, which would
Speaker 1: be like the Deltas of it all, but they also
Speaker 1: give money. Yeah, like ups, they they're all I mean, because.
Speaker 2: That's just how it is.
Speaker 1: You have to you have to get in bed so
Speaker 1: you can get favorable looks when it comes to regulation
Speaker 1: or you know, not.
Speaker 2: Regulating, even when one of them one of the options
Speaker 2: is just like Nazis. They're just like, no, well, a delta.
Speaker 2: We believe in everybody gouging. Yeah, yeah, I believe in
Speaker 2: both price gouging and everybody having a free the freedom
Speaker 2: to express their beliefs. Exactly. It's a corporate kleptocracy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what's happening with Milton Like the fact that
Speaker 4: these airlines are literally raising their prices so that people
Speaker 4: cannot die, and like the government is just like, okay,
Speaker 4: no problem, that's capitalism.
Speaker 2: Baby, Yeah, that's capitalism.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that they have the.
Speaker 2: Freedom to evacuate and we have the freedom to get rich, right, Just.
Speaker 4: Like, at what point will people be like, huh, this
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense, maybe we should change this.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's where I think people know it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But enough people who have who have
Speaker 1: like the microphones to sort of shape public discourse, they're
Speaker 1: not saying it right. Like the American Prospect I think
Speaker 1: reached out to a couple of the economists who are
Speaker 1: like slamming Kamala Harris because she deigned to say, like,
Speaker 1: it's corporate price gouging that's driving up prices.
Speaker 2: We need to get a handle on that.
Speaker 1: They asked them, like the in light of what's what
Speaker 1: happened in the aftermath of Hellene and with Milton and
Speaker 1: price gouging happening, They're like, do you think that this
Speaker 1: is bad?
Speaker 2: Now? Like is do you think this necessitates some kind
Speaker 2: of intervention? And they kind of were like, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like.
Speaker 1: They just were not very forceful on it, which, you know,
Speaker 1: I think is pretty revealing because, like the their whole
Speaker 1: perspective is sort of aligning with what a corporation would
Speaker 1: want to do, or you know, what the free market
Speaker 1: should be doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 2: come back and we'll do our we'll do the sports section,
Speaker 2: We'll go to our sports guy for some sports updates.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we'ren't back. We're back, and hey,
Speaker 2: here's a fun story. Wimbledon is announcing that they're breaking
Speaker 2: with one hundred and forty seven years of tradition.
Speaker 1: Stop there. I love that, I love it, I love
Speaker 1: anyone going. We're breaking with one hundred and forty seven
Speaker 1: years of what could it be? No more strawberries and
Speaker 1: cream being.
Speaker 2: No more strawberries and cream. They're now playing on sand
Speaker 2: instead of grass. There they're scrapping the human line judges
Speaker 2: in favor of an electronic system that's powered by artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, in many ways, I do think this
Speaker 2: is like one of the things that we should be
Speaker 2: using AI for is like a scientific thing that determined
Speaker 2: that just like tells you a piece of information. It's like, yes,
Speaker 2: if meta needs to use AI to like better diagnose
Speaker 2: different maladies, please by all means to decode protein shapes,
Speaker 2: like yes, great, to like tell if a ball went
Speaker 2: in or not? What could go? Fine?
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, versus some like racist guy who's like I
Speaker 1: don't know if that did that did happen?
Speaker 2: So that whole hawkeye thing, which is like where in
Speaker 2: you know, professional tennis players can basically challenge a call
Speaker 2: made by the line judge and then they go to
Speaker 2: this thing called hawky God. Hawks are having such a
Speaker 2: moment right now, yea to hawk. They're they're killing it the.
Speaker 4: Atlanta Hawks for the Atlanta Hawks this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, those two things are big though. But and
Speaker 2: then like it tells you if it's in or not.
Speaker 2: That that's that's like what that feels like. Okay, that
Speaker 2: is what computers should be used for. Of course, Wimbledon
Speaker 2: has dabbled with AI in other ways in recent years,
Speaker 2: and it hasn't always gone so well. They had an
Speaker 2: AI online feature called catch Me Up that featured player
Speaker 2: profiles that just like weren't correct. They were like this
Speaker 2: young up and comer and it was like a thirty
Speaker 2: six year old person on the like at the end
Speaker 2: of their career and stuff is just you know, the
Speaker 2: shit that AI is terrible at that companies insist on
Speaker 2: using it for right, But yeah, they they first started
Speaker 2: using Hawkey because there was this like controversy where like
Speaker 2: early in Serena Williams's career, she was playing Jennifer Capriotti
Speaker 2: and like this line judge just kept calling all of
Speaker 2: Serena's shots out and people are like, huh, Like even
Speaker 2: the even the TV people were like like, we can
Speaker 2: see like from up here that that was the wrong call.
Speaker 2: So eventually they started using computers. Great, how could this
Speaker 2: go wrong? So The Verge pointed out that these electronic
Speaker 2: these ELC systems don't just capture how the ball lands.
Speaker 2: They record a ton of in depth information, including players movements,
Speaker 2: and that data is incredibly valuable, not just to players,
Speaker 2: but also to sports betting companies, so they actually make
Speaker 2: more selling the data on like where how the ball
Speaker 2: moves and where it lands and like how the players
Speaker 2: move to betting companies. Then they make from TV rights.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wait, so what are they using the information for?
Speaker 1: Exactly just like better hands? Yeah, to better handicap matches.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know tennis betting was a thing,
Speaker 1: but everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm like Marble races and the pandemic, the lockdown,
Speaker 2: early lockdowns, remember Russian Russian table tennis? Still Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy, Alison, I don't know if you know, there's
Speaker 2: a player who got banned from the NBA for like
Speaker 2: gambling on his own games, and like, in looking into
Speaker 2: his history, they found that he was like taking huge
Speaker 2: bets during the pandemic on Russian table tennis because it
Speaker 2: was literally the only thing that people were still competing in.
Speaker 4: You gotta get your fix somewhere. Yeah, I mean that's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that makes a lot of sense to me, because I
Speaker 4: feel like Wimbledon in particular is like we do not change,
Speaker 4: We just change. But then as soon as it's like
Speaker 4: but you'll will make money with this specific change, Like absolutely,
Speaker 4: we shall.
Speaker 2: Do it, and yeah, and we will change. And it
Speaker 2: turns out that thing we said before about not changing
Speaker 2: that was like before, yeah, that was part of our change, right,
Speaker 2: because that was like the other thing too.
Speaker 1: It's like you have towards like you must wear white,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was so strict like like there
Speaker 1: is so yeah, there's so much so into like these
Speaker 1: really you know, like just rigid rules and.
Speaker 2: Things like that that they're like, oh, well, fuck it,
Speaker 2: we don't need we don't need people standing that, we
Speaker 2: don't need human line judges anymore, which is fine. I
Speaker 2: guess a certain bit of like you're saying, like that
Speaker 2: helps for when like people are making egregious mistakes in
Speaker 2: calling like a ball in or out. But it's just
Speaker 2: interesting to even like fundamentally change the visuals of a
Speaker 2: tennis match, like you're used to seeing that that official
Speaker 2: sitting in their big beach chair. I think they'll still
Speaker 2: be still be They'll still be yeah. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: the line judges who are like in the back looking
Speaker 2: at one line the whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh oh so they took it, took their jobs.
Speaker 2: I think okay, okay, okay. And Wimbledon is the last
Speaker 2: one to make this change.
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, US Open had it.
Speaker 2: Had it this year, I believe. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I can't think of a more stressful job than
Speaker 4: being a ball person. Yeah, like at a Grand Slam
Speaker 4: like yeah, and a major event like oh my god,
Speaker 4: imagine if you trip, imagine if you missthrow, Like why
Speaker 4: would anyone put themselves in that level of.
Speaker 2: Stress if you sneeze like when they're about to like serve,
Speaker 2: can you imagine? Yeah, I would totally fuck that up.
Speaker 2: Like I already don't know what to do with my
Speaker 2: hands normally, Like it's just like always being on the
Speaker 2: sideline just being like wow, a lot of people are
Speaker 2: looking at me right now and I'm not allowed to move,
Speaker 2: so like you just you would just like freeze with
Speaker 2: like your hands like here, I don't know, like at
Speaker 2: your shoulders just like crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and like I feel like you every turn or
Speaker 1: not every tournament. There's always like those videos you see
Speaker 1: too of like the like the ball kid or ball
Speaker 1: boy or whatever just getting hit with.
Speaker 2: A serf like one hundred and forty mile an hour tennis.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, yeah, I'm twelve. I think they're like
Speaker 2: really good players who will like just like dish them
Speaker 2: like dimes. No, look dimes to them. Yeah, that's always
Speaker 2: That's like one of my favorite types of sports highlights
Speaker 2: is like Roger Feeder, like when when like a ball
Speaker 2: gets hit to him and he just like will go
Speaker 2: but behind his back too, like directly to the line person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but this just this quote the Association of Tennis Professionals
Speaker 2: makes as much money from licensing ball and player tracking
Speaker 2: data as it does selling its broadcast rights, Like that
Speaker 2: doesn't even make any sense to me, Like that the
Speaker 2: amount of money that is in sports betting is just
Speaker 2: so beyond what I can conceive of that just like
Speaker 2: a slight edge, like whatever this AI is telling them
Speaker 2: is enough of an edge that they are paying the
Speaker 2: same amount that like NBC is paying for the rights
Speaker 2: to broadcast the French Open is Like what how? How
Speaker 2: is that? I wanted that.
Speaker 1: Happening across other sports too, because as the sports like
Speaker 1: sort of data analysis technology improves, you're getting like so
Speaker 1: much information And I get how it's useful to like
Speaker 1: a team to understand like the physical like load on
Speaker 1: a player and be like okay, they can only do
Speaker 1: this amount of time or like you can tell that
Speaker 1: they're slowing down just based on these sort of like
Speaker 1: analytical points. But yeah, like if Tennis is selling it,
Speaker 1: then like is every has everybody got some form of
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 4: My dad has been in a fantasy baseball league for
Speaker 4: like forty years, the same one like write when it started,
Speaker 4: and now my husband is his partner for better or
Speaker 4: worse ed. It's so funny because like my dad's roam
Speaker 4: of reference, like what's available. Like my dad will keep
Speaker 4: being like to John, He'll be like, Okay, put this
Speaker 4: player through your system, and like the system is just
Speaker 4: a free website that johns about. It's just like a
Speaker 4: website that's available to everybody.
Speaker 2: What do we know about this guy? What do we
Speaker 2: know about this guy? What's it saying?
Speaker 4: But there's just like so many stats and ways to
Speaker 4: think about it, and like I mean, just like fantasy
Speaker 4: baseball alone is like its own like powerhouse industry of
Speaker 4: what people pay to get.
Speaker 1: Right, Like yeah, wild, because I hold the whole saber
Speaker 1: metrics thing coming out in baseball has just been like
Speaker 1: such a huge thing that I feel like that was
Speaker 1: just sort of like a domino to fault as many
Speaker 1: other professional sports where now like teams have like just
Speaker 1: data scientists, Yeah, just crunching all kinds of numbers to be.
Speaker 2: Like Nope, this is what we need to do this,
Speaker 2: we need to sign this, we need to rest. I've
Speaker 2: played fantasy sports before with people who were in like
Speaker 2: the finance industry, and like one of them admitted, like later, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had like one of my quants like do the
Speaker 2: draft for me, like one of my like quantitative people
Speaker 2: like I just want what's the point, yeah, exactly, well
Speaker 2: to win and yeah, yeah, they're just they're just outsourcing
Speaker 2: things better, you know, optimization. It's a yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: play fantasy sports with them anymore because I don't have
Speaker 2: a quant Yeah quits, yeah, keeps quitting. Apparently seventeen dollars
Speaker 2: an hour is not competitive. Yeah. Yeah. Like the so
Speaker 2: this reporter like went with the Hawkeye people and noticed
Speaker 2: that their information was being like transmitted live to like
Speaker 2: not just the chair umpire, but to like a bunch
Speaker 2: of business partners of ATP, and like figured out that
Speaker 2: the business partners were like the sports betting companies, And
Speaker 2: he asked the people who were like high up employees
Speaker 2: who were like making the system work, and they didn't
Speaker 2: know that they were like wait really, oh wow, I
Speaker 2: guess that's good for our like business, right, yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's more people will hire are the people who actually
Speaker 2: do things. Yeah, they're the people who do things. And
Speaker 2: then they're the like higher level people who are just
Speaker 2: figuring out how to make millions and millions of dollars. Right.
Speaker 2: It's a weird world. It's a weird world. Weird world
Speaker 2: spinning off in that direction as long as we're allowed
Speaker 2: to those people are allowed to pay hundreds of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars to policy. You know, well, anyway, invest in
Speaker 2: our technology. We got a competing one coming up. We
Speaker 2: have a system. We don't want to reveal it, but
Speaker 2: if you guys are interested in the system, the system,
Speaker 2: Yeah right, that sounds like a grift. Already, put it
Speaker 2: through the system, put it through your system. That part too,
Speaker 2: it is it's like that's so like the sort of
Speaker 2: purity about like older people too, or like there gets
Speaker 2: so sort of the distance between like new technological advancements
Speaker 2: or the internet, and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, why don't you load them up in that system
Speaker 1: you got there? Or like yeah, like when my yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: just fun, where'd you find it? What's the system that
Speaker 1: you used to find songs like, it's a Spotify algorithm,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the system is telling you to listen to
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: That's right. Well, Alison Raskin, what a pleasure having you
Speaker 2: on the daily Zeitgeist as always? Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Follow you by your book all that good stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my book I Do I Think is out
Speaker 4: next Tuesday, October fifteenth. It should be available wherever books
Speaker 4: are sold. There's also an audible version and a Kindle version,
Speaker 4: and pre orders matter a lot. So if you're like, huh,
Speaker 4: maybe I want to read that someday, maybe that someday
Speaker 4: could be today, because that would really help me out,
Speaker 4: And then I'm all on the internet at Alison Raskin
Speaker 4: and I also have a mental health focus substack and
Speaker 4: Instagram called Emotional Support Lady.
Speaker 2: There you go, emotional sport. Is there a work of
Speaker 2: media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 4: Well, I just saw I took a photo of this
Speaker 4: like very cute little comic that I saw on Instagram
Speaker 4: that was like two little bears, like adorable little bears,
Speaker 4: and one bearsys the other bear. Why are you in
Speaker 4: such a silly mood? And then the Purple Bear replies,
Speaker 4: Without it, darkness would consume me. And that's sort of
Speaker 4: where I'm at.
Speaker 2: It's so cute, amazing, Miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Is there a working media you enjoy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: You can find Jack and I on the Wonderful Basketball
Speaker 1: podcast Miles and jackot Man boosties and if you want
Speaker 1: to hear me talk about ninety day Fiance, I do
Speaker 1: that on four twenty day Fiance. A tweet I like
Speaker 1: is from at Matt the brand who tweeted the best
Speaker 1: part about driving a twenty ten Honda.
Speaker 2: Civic is you can just like bump into stuff, which
Speaker 2: is kind of like, yep, that's weird.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: We were kind of talking about that on the other
Speaker 1: episode or earlier episode about just needing a car. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you teach lessons in when people are driving reckless, be
Speaker 1: like sorry.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm you're gonna have to bump into my little car. Sorry. Sorry.
Speaker 4: I saw a one of those stickers that says like
Speaker 4: like caution, new driver on a windowless white van. Oh,
Speaker 4: and I was like, that doesn't feel like what's someone's first,
Speaker 4: because no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very high level of difficulty.
Speaker 4: Isn't it's just kind of creepy. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like you're like, are you doing dirt in
Speaker 2: that windowless van? And then you think by putting a
Speaker 2: like new Driver stick around, people are like, oh, nothing to.
Speaker 4: See here or you that's why kids are getting into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's what's the new Drivers.
Speaker 1: But the other part is just sort of like to
Speaker 1: your point, you see that and you're like, wait, hold
Speaker 1: on a second.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is this? Yeah? All right, tweet I've
Speaker 2: been enjoying PJ at PJ Evans tweeted meeting a friend's baby. Hey,
Speaker 2: what's up? Which I just thin thing? A friend's baby?
Speaker 2: And then Governor Kathy hawk you hock you but what's her?
Speaker 2: What's her name?
Speaker 4: What of New York?
Speaker 2: Yeahcl Yeah, I guess she couldn't fit the whole name
Speaker 2: because he said, yeah, says Governor Kathy Hocke you. But anyways,
Speaker 2: she said, my staff is telling me that New York
Speaker 2: is brat literally twenty hours ago, and Mike Rucker quote
Speaker 2: tweeted that and said, wait to strike while the iron
Speaker 2: is cold.
Speaker 4: I don't like that, lady.
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Speaker 10: footnotes go off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 10: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 10: think you might enjoy.
Speaker 2: Miles Yeah, is there than People. It's called Away. The
Speaker 2: track is called Away by the Australian band Vacations, And
Speaker 2: so again, always so much good music coming out of Australia.
Speaker 2: It's really a sight to behold as an appreciator of music.
Speaker 2: This is kind of like a dreamy rock pop sort
Speaker 2: of song. It kind of still feels kind of like summary,
Speaker 2: but also just just nice music, like if you're playing it,
Speaker 2: it'll take you somewhere nice. It doesn't feel like dark
Speaker 2: or aggressive. So I like that for that very reason.
Speaker 2: So this is a way by Vacations, not a way
Speaker 2: in a manager. It's just a way just away. No no,
Speaker 2: But if you want to hear me, I am.
Speaker 1: I do have a Spotify playlist of me singing all
Speaker 1: kinds of hoa songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no crib for a bed all right, well. The
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